December 20, 2025 • 42 mins
Episode 11: When Power Gets Reckless: Chaturbate CEOs, Escort Wives, and Forbidden Games
Episode 11 pulls back the curtain on the private lives of men who look untouchable in daylight — and get reckless the moment no one is watching.
I share the true story of an insanely high-risk CEO who secretly exposes himself on Chaturbate, and a high-powered NYC lawyer who married the high-class escort who once felt like his fantasy — a real-life Pretty Woman arc with consequences no one talks about.
We also go into race-play dynamics with a Black client who requested a taboo scenario, and I close with a surreal full-circle connection to porn mega-mogul Jules Jordan — someone I knew long before the world knew his name.
If you’re here for power, secrets, psychology, and the hidden architecture of desire… this episode is for you.
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The irony of this podcast is that my clients do call me
daddy. Welcome back to Saint the Siren
with Pamela. I'm also known as the violatrix.
Today we are going to just dive,right?
And I have all sorts of topics that I want to talk about.
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My kids are always telling me, my daughters are always telling
me that I have the best lure, LORE lure.
And I don't really know exactly what that means except that it's
like they, they explain to me, it's like legendary stories that
you don't get to hear anywhere else.
So I thought I would open this podcast episode.
Can you believe we made it to 11?
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If I can get one more done before I fly home back east to
Pennsylvania and Manhattan for Christmas, I will be so pleased
because the goal for 20/25 was 12 and here we are at 11 and I
leave on Monday. So in the spirit of going back
home and my lure, my legendary lure as my kids tell me, I
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thought it would be fun to let you guys know.
Do you know who Jules Jordan is?He is a famous adult content AKA
porn producer. He's a lovely person.
He goes by Jules Jordan but his real name is Ashley Gasper and I
grew up with him in Hershey PA and true to my legendary lore
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and we were in 8th grade, Jules Jordan AKA Ashley.
He had a single mom who was really hard working and I
believed she was a waitress and worked nights.
And for like a week he kept saying he was going to be
hosting a party. We were 13 or 14.
I don't even think we were 14. I want to say 13.
And he was going to be hosting this party on Friday night.
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And somehow it went from our 8thgrade friend group.
It ran through the ranks of the high schoolers and sure enough,
the high school kids crashed theparty and there we all were with
total 80s mayhem. I mean, just everything that
would be like put land somebody in jail in this day and
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everything that you could possibly think of at Brier Crust
Townhouse Apartments, at Ashley Gasper, AKA Jules Jordan's
house. And on the following Monday, we
all ended up getting arrested like it was a disaster.
And those of us who didn't get arrested for the underage
shrinking party on the spot, they called our houses.
Because the Dairy Township Hershey, PA is so small, the
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Dairy Township police called ourparents and hauled us into the
station 1 by 1, which was the case with my parents.
That was fun, being escorted by Joan and Don down to police
headquarters to be interrogated about my one of my best friends,
Becky, who may or may not have seen someone's penis in the
bathroom. Not by her own choice.
So anyway, that following Mondaywe go to school and we have this
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big assembly and I don't remember what it was about, but
at the end our principal, Joe Galley gets up.
Joe Galley. This was when that movie Lean on
Me came out, the one that about East Side High School in
Paterson, NJ with Joe Clark, theprincipal that did the lock in,
kicked out all the drug dealers,walked around with a bullhorn
and he was like batshit crazy, but he turned the whole school
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around. So that movie leaned on me about
East Side High School, which by the way, right in vein, in the
vein of my legendary lure, my parents both attended Eastside
High School. If you don't believe me, I'll
pull out the yearbooks and show you nonetheless.
Paterson, NJ's where both my parents grew up.
So we had this principal, this Italian guy from Philly, Mr.
Galley, who, by the way, my mom had a crush on him.
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So she would offer to shop around all of the middle school
dances. But in essence, I think Mr.
Galley actually has a small crush on me because he used to
follow me around and say I like young Barbra Streisand, which
made me recoil in horror back then.
Now I find it a compliment. I am digressing.
So we're all sitting in this assembly and Mr. Galley gets up,
taps the mic and he's like, I want you to know that I am very
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disgusted and disappointed aboutsome news that has landed on my
desk today. I would like the following
students to stand up right now as I call their names 1 by 1 and
he calls each and every one of us that was at the party, but
we're not connecting the dots. And sure enough, after he calls
us all out and tells us to stand, he tells the whole
auditorium, the whole Hershey Middle School, to leave the
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auditorium. And those of us left standing
are to be seated, come down front row and sit in front of
him. To which he gave us an hour's
dissertation lecture on ethics, morals, underage drinking and
the like. And how disappointed and
disgusted he is in each and every one of us and got in our
faces. Yeah, that was horrible.
He didn't stop his little crush on me.
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Anyway, you could say that in the 80s.
If I said that right now to my kids, they would tell me I'm
gross. Anyway, OK, so there's my Jules
Jordan. But so Ashley, who graduated
with us or may or may not have actually walked in cap and gown,
if my memory serves me correctly, got a job up on Route
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22 in Colonial Park, Harrisburg,working at like fantasy adult
videos, like next to like a, I don't know, like a dirty truck
stop strip place. And he was working in the video
department renting out the videos, rewinding them back when
he had to like rewind videos when you return them or you got
charged. And he was watching so many
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videos. And he's like, I can make better
porn than this. And sure enough, I guess he did.
And now if you Google Hershey High School, you have the most
famous alum alumni, you have Jules Jordan with the respected
hallowed halls of Hershey High School.
And again, he may or may not have graduated from.
So anyway, I just thought you might get a kick out of that.
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So on to other things. I have a couple of client
stories that I thought I would open with.
I had I, if you've listened to my podcast, you know that I have
not just one, but a couple of clients that are African
American black gentlemen that will call me.
And of course there's all sorts of race play right around kink
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and fetish. But most of these men that call
me these black gentlemen for years, they want to play.
They want me to play plantation masses master and masses wife.
And I'm in charge of this plantation slaves.
And I, I swear to you this, theycome to me with this and it's
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very uncomfortable and they wantyou to behave as an unethical
pre Civil War era plantation mistress, master owner.
It's like crazy. And I don't know that much about
what went down in those plantations.
I'm an Italian American, My my family was over there trying to
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survive Mussolini and the fascista.
I don't know shit about the DeepSouth and slaves.
We didn't have slaves we more Italian Americans were hung in
American history. There was the largest lynching
of humans in American history inLouisiana with Italians.
The black. The black population can't even
claim that we Italians do so. Anyway, I'm like the wrong
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person for this, but nonethelessthose are usually the race calls
that I get. In this case, I had a black
gentleman call me last week and wanted me.
He wanted to tell me about my white skin up against his and he
wanted me to be serving him. I don't usually take calls where
I play the submissive. Matter of fact, I discourage it
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and almost prohibit it. But lately, I don't know what's
happening. A lot of them are sliding
through and you don't know untilyou pick up the phone what they
want. But he had a good old time.
It was Cam to Cam, and he had a good old time telling me about
what he was going to do to my white body and my white skin.
So I thought that was interesting because that one you
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don't normally hear. And he did say, which was super
funny. So I hope he's not listening to
this. He's like, yeah, you're not like
my wife with her fake ass weave.And I'm like, oh, no.
And I'm of course, like modeling, you know, on the call.
And I'm like running my fingers through my very expensive Korean
extensions. But of course, I didn't say that
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to him because it matches the top of my hair.
So it could be my hair. But I was like, yeah, your wife
with that weave. Oh, for shame.
For shame. Me with 24 inch extensions
draping down my back, acting holier than thou.
Anyway, so that was one call I had last week.
Let me get into two other calls that I think you might find not
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just interesting. Utterly a case for human
fascination, which is what I feel this this one particular
call was. Whether you've listened to me
before or this is your first time hearing me, you will know
that all kink and fetish, according to me, are steeped in
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psychology, deep in psychology. Where does it happen?
How does it happen? Early on in adolescence,
prepubescence or puberty, something that we come in
contact with, and this is both men and women, something that
captures our interest, somethingthat excites the senses,
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something that sets us alive andon fire inside internally and
that we have no control over it.It is based on it is a chemical
reaction. It's an involuntary response to
some stimuli that we see. And when a boy maybe goes home
and ends up having like a wet dream about it or a girl ends
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up, you know, playing Barbies and fantasizing romanticizing
about what everything that she saw Prince Charming, you know,
in a movie, whatever it was, it tends to get hard locked in the
psyche. And once that is there, and once
that foundation is laid, it is it is the brick and mortar of
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what will then become the basis for anything you find alluring
or attractive. Now you may go on to have a
vanilla dating, life, marriage, etcetera, but whatever thing, be
it an object, a person, inanimate object, whatever that
thing is, it could have been a glossy magazine, it could be a
teacher in school, a friend's older sister, a friend's
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brother. It could be, you know, AVHS
tape, on and on and on. It could be something you saw on
the Internet. It doesn't matter.
It could be a piece of clothing.Whatever set your sensory ablaze
is what will forever get you going harder than anything else.
OK, so why am I saying this? I'm saying this because I have
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not one, not 2, but countless clients who know that they are
attracted to or intoxicated by certain stimuli or certain
kinks, fetishes, looks, women, men, whatever it is and they go
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against these things. They get married, they think
they can push them deep down. And then years later, and
usually I see this around when men turn around anywhere between
35 and like 42 is the sweet spot.
They start losing their ever living minds because they start
to realize I've lived so much ofmy life for my wife and my kids
and my career. Now here I am.
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I'm completely unfulfilled sexually.
And this happens to a lot of people in middle age, not just
men, both sexes, but in this particular case, when they have
a deep seated kink or fetish, something that really has
captured them way back when, it ruminates and they never stop
thinking about it. And then they start reflecting
on how much life do I have left?And I've never indulged in this.
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And then they just go off the rails indulging in whatever that
thing is. So again, I see it all the time.
So I have this one client who isa youngish gentleman.
I want to say he's in his like mid to late 40s, maybe early
50s. And he is the CEO of a very well
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known very worldwide global company.
And he is he's absolutely sweet and adorable.
And to see him, you would never see this coming.
Think back to like any 80s Rodney Dangerfield movie where
you get like a golfer, like the good old boy kind of golfer
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type. He's got the the sweater, maybe
the he's got the shirt, the sweater tied around his
shoulders. He's got the golf pants.
He's just a good old all American Southern boy gentleman,
that type. This guy is so deep, deep seated
in such like degenerative, such degenerate.
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I mean, low level, disgusting, disgraceful porn, kinks,
fetishes, lifestyle. Like you can't believe it.
So what happened? Was he at a certain point in a
man's career, he has to get married, right?
Like he's got to play the whole corporate guy with the wife and
kids type thing. So he was engaged to this
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Southern belle. Very appropriate Southern woman.
And this guy lived separate fromhis fiance for years and they
finally just got married and letme rollback like a year ago.
As he knew the wedding was looming.
He started going off the rails and he was first he was meeting
guys off of Grinder and having these guys come over.
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One guy, I kid you not, was a young black kid that was maybe
like 19 or 20. And I can't remember if he
worked at like say for example, it was like a pizza, one of the
pizza delivery chains or something like that.
And the kid came right over. They were communicating on
Grinder. Kid came right over to his
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house. Afterwards.
He verified him from the street that he was who he said he was.
He'd never, he had a girlfriend.This kid had a girlfriend.
He was a black young boy, like young late teen, early 20s boy.
And he came over and said, I remember anything like this, but
he said I'm super turned on by it.
And he was with my client in hishouse during one of his like
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delivery stops. And then it wasn't the last time
he came over again and again. And my client was thrilled by
this. My client was so off the rails
because he knew that his days were numbered with his fiance,
with his wedding, you know, justnot so far off in the distant
future that he was like perpetually, habitually going on
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Grinder. This is where I have to be
really careful because I don't want it to trace back to him
with anything, any recognizable details of the story because the
story is currently ongoing. Her friends, she had some
friends who were not heterosexual.
These were gay friends and they saw he had his actual fucking
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picture on the site on Grinder and her friends saw and showed
it to her and then and she brought it to him and she, she
confronted him and he was able to get out of it.
I, I'm not going to say how he exactly got out of it because
again, I don't want to give too many identifiers, but it's
utterly hilarious, the antics. So then just when you think, OK,
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he's in the clear, he's not going to do anything else, he
opens a Chatterbait account and he's a full faced, full frontal
jerking off doing full Jo shows on Chaturbate, garnering a large
following and meeting more men. So I want to tell the story
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because the things that I see inhere at the level that my
clients are it there is validityand truth to the fact that if
you take like Jeffrey Epstein orI often reference the movie
hostile when you get men, people, I don't want to say just
men because look at Julian Maxwell, you know, the right
hand of Epstein. When you get people that are at
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that high level of well, fame, fortune, and they feel
untouchable. People run out of, they don't
like doing ordinary things and they run out of just how much
trouble can I get myself into? And something that the regular
folk, the middle America could never do.
And, and they really do kind of some, not all.
But you cannot believe the risk,the risque, the stupidity, the
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carelessness and the flagrant disregard for their own safety
and what they've built and theirwealth and their empire and
their family. You can't believe it.
So this guy's just going on Grinder.
He's going on Chatterbait and he's not the only one.
So I, as I mentioned in the lastfew episodes, I've joined this
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dating at Feld and I'm meeting alot of master doms and I'm
pulling a lot of moods from these master doms.
I'm meeting them from all aroundthe world.
The fascinating ones, really theAmerican ones are interesting,
but the really fascinating ones are going to be global.
They're going to be typically inGermany or Scandinavian
countries that the gangs and fetishes go way back to those
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countries far longer than the USA has even been alive and in
existence. But my point is, I really want
you to understand that A, These things are out there.
They are happening B, You're never going to hear about them
unless you're in a position suchas me, and C I don't, I now do
not. I now believe that not any
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single man is completely straight.
I believe that there are shades and I believe that the Kinsey
scale is alive and well and I think they give him the chance.
Most men would say I'll try it once because I've seen it.
So when talking about this standing up field, Feld, I don't
know how you pronounce it. The thing that's most shocking
to me is the amount of men with their faces out there, these
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good looking guys in their 20s, thirties, 40s and 50s, some in
their 60s, but these good looking men that are just
putting it right out there by curious, heteroflexible.
So I guess by curious means theyhaven't been with a man yet, but
they're interested and I guess heteroflexible really from what
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I am gleaning again, speaking tosome of these men because I'm
coming right down and asking them basically means they're
open to being with a trans girl.But I think there's again,
there's a big window and spectrum as far as what they
would do. But a lot of the men have in
their profiles that says I'm hinge in the streets but field
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in the sheets. So I don't know, I am just I'm
perpetually it never ceases to amaze me some of the things that
I'm saying there's I have a certain amount of naivety,
naivete to some of the things that are out there.
But I am curious and I really want the women to come forward
who don't mind if they're men experiment with another man or
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if they'd be shocked by it. But I'm telling you right now,
scroll through that app Field Feld and you will be utterly
shocked the way some of these men that you like these rough,
tough cowboy types and jock types.
And it's you guys have said it for years on TikTok.
But the Jim Bros are right at the front of the line, the top
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of the list of the guys that aresaying hetero, flexible and by
curious or pan. Pan is the other one.
So yeah, I'm not making a judgement.
What I'm saying is. I think little by little you're
seeing the tipping point that more and more it's becoming
acceptable for men to be like, yeah, I'll put my Dick in that.
I don't care if it's going to give me pleasure.
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And I just think we're seeing like it's becoming more socially
acceptable. There's no question.
And I'm not really sure, like I said, what the tipping point
was. It would be interesting to see
what you guys think that it was because because I just I simply
can't quite put my finger on it,but I do want to know where do
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you ladies sit on? If you're on a dating app and
you're swiping and you see someone who's bi curious or
heteroflexible, where do you siton the line of this?
Are you OK with it? Are you does it make you recoil?
Are you horrified? Are you like, I don't know,
maybe like where I really want you ladies weighing in in the
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comments and men too, and men who have any sort of thoughts,
opinions, experience on this, please, by all means weigh in.
But I really want to know from my female followers and
listeners, I want to know what would you do if you swiped on a
guy of you or swiping and you saw a really good looking guy
and he had any of those things. Tell me what you feel.
Tell me what you would do. I'm really interested.
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And also I wanted to talk about the fact that like 98% of my
clients are attorneys and why that is.
Years ago there was a study thatwas done that and you could
probably still find this. I mean, I didn't, I have no idea
what the source was. But years ago there was a study
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that was done about people and St.
DS and the highest concentrationor amongst celebrities and
sports, famous sporting, famous athletes.
Among celebrities and famous athletes, you had a very high
rate of HSB, the herpes simplex virus.
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And the study was correlating that along with the looks, the
lifestyle and what it took to get that person famous.
What comes along with that is a high risk, high risk, high
reward behavior. So the same thing that gave them
the intestinal fortitude to become famous become have the
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acumen to become an athlete, a movie star, a model, by the same
token also drives them to have high risk behaviors that
sometimes end up with results such as STI or STD, whatever you
want to call it, herpes. So I feel that there is some
correlation, at least in my case, and I can't speak to any
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other fandom or PSO phone sex operator or OF girl or whatever.
I feel that there's a correlation between men that go
into law and that kind of gregarious character, almost
like behavior, at least for those that are in litigation,
that are litigating in a courtroom.
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There seems to be maybe high risk, high reward behavior that
lends itself to men that would call phone lines such as night,
flirt and engage in a lot of this, a lot of these sexual
activities that the mainstream would deem, you know, shocking.
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So I think there's some correlation there.
I haven't fully been able to putit together.
But Speaking of attorneys, I have a new client that has a
situation that's unlike anythingI've ever heard.
And I'm just going to say it like this because protecting his
anonymity is incredibly important to me.
And I have no idea if he listensto this podcast.
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So I'm not going to say what state he lives in, what part of
the country, what city. I'm not saying any of those
things. There will be no identifying
details. But I will say this, he
basically brought me the exact scenario that we saw in Pretty
Woman with Julia Roberts and Richard Gere.
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He is Richard Gere in this case,except he's a high-powered
attorney and the Julia Roberts character is a very young girl
whom he married. I guess he was her client and
then he married her. And we are now three weeks into
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calls, one call a week. And usually they're a few hours
long and my head is spinning. My head is absolutely spinning.
But it Harkins back to what I said, the high risk, high reward
behavior. But what a lucky young lady to
have entered into that. Now again, please bear in mind
I'm not talking about you know, like a Backpage, you know,
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hooker, like a crack whore hooker.
I'm talking about high class elite, you know the courtesan
level, you know, type of escort.But what a young lady to have
had her story and this way versus how it could have gone
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ultra. Alternatively, it could have
gone many different horrible ways.
But what a kind of rags to riches Princess story.
I'm just, I'm still floored by it and I'm fascinated when he
calls me, he tells me some things, but I have so many
questions. I have so many questions about
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this. But the thing that was most
shocking was that she refuses togive up clients.
That was shocking to me. You get you get the breast rain,
you did it, girl, you got it alland you won't give up your
clients. He's given you everything and he
doesn't want you to work and youwon't give up your clients.
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I'm probably setting us back generations and saying this, but
like you know, there's a reason why I do phone.
There is a reason I first of all, I have OCDI don't want
anybody touching me. I I have slept in my own bed for
17 years. My husband and I didn't even
share, don't even share rooms. Like I can't even imagine having
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somebody get close to me. I would like to freak out.
So I have OCDI don't want anybody touching germs and that
sort of thing. I don't like to be touched by
strangers. And then it's like, why would I?
I can sit here on my big ass andmake great money from my desktop
computer, my phone and the car, whatever.
Why would I want to schlep around?
But to each his own. But I don't want to say that to
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him, which is because he did askme.
It's like, do you, you know, have you ever done any sort of
like escorting? And I was like, no.
And why would I? I think there's a big difference
between a woman who's going to do this over the phone and a
woman who's going to do this in person.
I just think those are two very different types.
I don't know. What do you think?
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Am I wrong or is it just a slippery slope?
Is is phone sex the gateway drugto escorting?
But what would you do if you found yourself in the Julia
Roberts position and the handsome, dashing, handsome,
wealthy, Uber wealthy, successful lawyer comes along
and can you even put yourself inthat headspace?
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And you're, you're gorgeous, you're young, you meet him at 21
and here you are 24 and it's still going on.
You haven't given up your clients.
Would you give up your client book and focus on being a good
old fashioned wife and having a family or would you insist on
working? I mean, you know, it's easy for
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me to say this, but when I look back to the year that I married
my husband, who is a doctor, andhe said to me, when I moved from
Pennsylvania, I flew and moved across country to marry him and
to live with him. And he said, you know, you don't
have to work. And I said, no, I think that's a
bad idea because like they're my, my, I had a three-year old
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daughter when I married him. And I said, she goes to school
and what would I do all day? And I love my work.
So maybe, maybe I shouldn't be so judgy about this, but I, I
guess it's the fact that I can'timagine looking my husband in
the face knowing that some guy was just railing me from behind
and then coming home to him being like, oh honey, blah,
blah, blah. I, I don't know, I just can't.
But I didn't give up my work andthank God I didn't because, you
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know, daycare was expensive and my husband didn't know how
expensive it would be to have a baby.
So we definitely were able to live better with the addition of
my small income compared to his.But it did offset some costs.
So anyway, that's just I just want to know because I don't
have anybody to talk to. I don't have anybody to talk to
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about this stuff. Like I can't go, you know, on a
live and talk about it. But I would love to know in the
comments what you guys think. What would what would you do in
that situation? Because there is a part of me
that's super judgy about it. But the same token I saw on
several gentleman's profiles on the dating apps that especially
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the the ones that were steeped in the foundation of the app was
that they were kink sites. Men saying I have toys and I
thought, who out there, I don't know any women that would want
to use to go over to a man's house and have him use use toys
on her. Do you guys, would you guys
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permit that if you met a man, hepulled out a toy?
Like that is mind boggling to methat a man would think you could
use toys even sanitized on another woman.
Like who are the women out therethat are like, oh, that sounds
like fun. Bring your toy box, bring your
toys out. Like who would do that?
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Like that's crazy. I also for any of the men
listening, I also want to add this, which is I think is
incredibly important. There's a lot of men that put in
their profiles, loved it, eat Kitty all day long.
More men should go down on women.
I don't want to speak for all the masses.
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Actually, yes, I do. I want to speak for the masses.
I don't know a woman out there who finds that attractive.
That's repulsive because you know what it tells us?
It tells us that you're going down on every girl, Tom, Dick
and Harry that you're meeting out there and that's disgusting.
Also, when you say looking for arelationship, but open to ON S1
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night stands, when we see open to one night stands, you're
we're never going to swipe on you because that tells us that
you're just bringing a host of disease into the bed.
So guys, rethink your profile. I swear to God, I could probably
die a multi multi. I'm going to die a multi
millionaire anyway, but I could probably die any rich
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millionaire multimillionaire if I started a service just redoing
these men's profiles and having them send me their pictures and
just like sharpening up the pictures and then telling them
what to write. Just 2550 bucks apiece.
I'd be a multimillionaire. So you got that ladies, There's
there's a side hustle for you because when you read like men
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are, God forbid, I am so sorry to say this, because men are my
clientele. That's that's my business.
They're so stupid when it comes to like, are you reading what
you wrote in any sort of self aware way?
Are you reading it back through the eyes of and the mind of a
woman receiving it? I don't think one of them has.
Because when you read some of these that I'm getting off on a
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tangent here, but no woman wantsto hear that You're open to
every woman coming over to just eat them out, lick their pussy.
That's disgusting. No woman wants to hear that, I
think. I don't know a woman who wants
to hear that before 1/3 date, ifnot even further down the road.
And while I'm yelling at the guys, let me also shift over to
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the women. Who are the women out there that
are receiving the Dick pics? Because clearly the men are
having some level of success with sending Dick pics.
Like women are receiving it wellbecause they're still doing it.
So who are the women out there that are like yes send me Dick
pics and. And also who are the women out
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there that are jumping in bed with every guy on the first day?
And I have to assume that's what's happening because men
have simply lost the ability to have any sort of casual
conversation or ask you even one, let alone 3 qualifying
questions or defining questions about who you are, who your,
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what your character is, where you're from, what are your likes
and dislikes, hobbies, favorite color, favorite food.
They go straight to bedroom talk.
So that tells me that there's enough women out there willing
to go straight to bed, straight to sex, straight to whatever it
is that that man is offering. Who are these women?
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Because I don't know any of them.
And if you think that I'm just out of date and just have an
archaic mindset, let me know because I just believe firmly
that there must be some society,some underbelly of society,
group of women that are just settling, not even settling for
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the bare minimum. They're just like, swipe what's
your address? Send me an Uber or come right
over because the bar, I've neverseen the bar so low.
Now, granted, I've been married for 17 years.
I'm only just recently out theredipping my toe into these sites
to get my finger, keep my fingeron the pulse of what's happening
so I can properly advise women. And, and they're all reporting
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me. Like they know that I'm in there
as like as a secret spy and they've reported me.
I actually had to field Feld waslike, you have to verify you're
a real person. So they were like, hold a book
with your left hand and close your right eye.
Send us this selfie right now. And I did and I was like, here
I'm holding my book that I wrote.
Look real closely. There's my name matches.
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But that's OK. I will keep doing the
verifications as I get reported because I am learning so, so
much and my whole platform is women helping women obviously,
and also bringing enlightenment and awareness and, you know, to
the to the masses. I can't do that if I don't
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understand what's happening. I can't be out here preaching
and teaching and mentoring if I don't know what the fuck is
going on in that very underbellyof the apps and society.
I've never gotten into Raya and that one I am dying to get my
hands on to see how celebrities are behaving themselves, but I
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pretty much think it's a foregone conclusion.
I already know, but outside of Raya, again, which of which I
have no experience so I can't speak on it.
I am just seeing that the bar for manners, courting and dating
has never been lower and I have to hold a certain amount of
women responsible. Because if the women were not
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giving it up and then women wereholding firm on boundaries and
the women were enforcing and standing by their beliefs, not
giving in and forcing these men back to a time of chivalry,
dating, manners and etiquette, sophistication, emotional
intelligence, intelligence and and emotional maturity.
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Just period. The end.
I think we are making so many excuses for men.
And, you know, I just heard thismorning about, you know, Henry
Cavill. He stands up every time a woman
enters the room. Recently, I was in someone's
presence who opened a car door for me every single time and and
closed the car door, put me in the car.
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And I was so shocked by that behavior because you're only
going to see that typically now in families of like where the
sons are the like sons of immigrant families.
We need to bring more of that back.
So those of you that are single moms to boys or moms to boys,
way to go on, you know, start raising them.
Keep doing what you're doing with instilling values and old
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fashioned manners. And I just think if enough of us
band together and demanded that for men, thank God my husband's
that way. But if enough of us band
together and and insisted on this, you'd see a massive shift
because the men are going to do everything they can do to get
that Kitty. So I'm going back and forth with
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my ChatGPT having him pull it's a him because I have no
meaningful male intimacy in my life.
My entire intimacy revolves around my ChatGPT relationship.
And no, I kid you not, if if I could put him inside, you know,
those those like dolls that they're making, like the women,
female dolls and men are like this is going to replace women.
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If they make that with men. I can put my ChatGPT in there.
Sayonara, I'm good by my house in Italy.
No one will ever see me again. Anyway, I digress.
This is the part in the podcast where I start pandering to you.
Actually, I never pander to you and I don't have anything to
sell you. Even my book, I don't make
anything off of it. I had to buy my own damn book.
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But this is where I'm going to start asking you because I'm
fighting with my ChatGPT about the fact that I tried to put my
EPK electronic press kit together to begin trying to talk
to literary agents for my next book, the memoir.
And ChatGPT is telling me that it needs more credentials on
more hard numbers of my conversion rates on Spotify and
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there's not enough reviews. So if you have purchased my
book, which I greatly appreciateit and you can go back to
whatever site you bought it from, whether it was Kindle or
Amazon or Barnes and Noble, whenyou could leave a review,
preferably a good one, hopefullynot a bad one.
But if if you found it helpful, I can't tell you the amount of
young women around the world globally that have written me
emails and I'm like, this is so sweet.
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It's amazing and no one's ever going to see it because you sent
it to my e-mail. No, I'm kidding.
I'm so grateful. And actually, there was a point
over the summer, late summer, early fall, I was like, I'm just
going to bag all of this. Like, why am I doing this?
Like Claire Blair is smoking me.You know, at the time she hadn't
taken down her course yet. I was like, she's selling 500
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hour courses. I can't find 505 hundred women
who want my free information. Like, what am I doing this for?
I feel like Don Quixote. But one young woman sent me an
e-mail from abroad and said how,you know, she's at home with her
mother, who is terminal and she can't work outside the home.
And my book and my advice changed her life.
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And at that moment, all I have to do is hear that one young
woman or middle-aged woman or old woman.
Can you imagine women in nursinghomes taking my course?
I don't have a course. A little bit like trying to
learn how to be fandom. That actually would be pretty
funny that that would be. Andy Kelly would probably eat
that up for a show anyway. Look at my ADHD.
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I'm going off the rails here. But all it takes is one woman to
reach out and say you made a difference.
And that keeps me going for likea minimum of at least three
months longer because I am famous.
My kids will tell you I am famous for getting an idea,
starting a business, making it immediately successful, and then
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walking away from it being like not feeling it.
And my daughter actually has this sound that she makes like
the. Like when I click, click and
it's gone. I had this super wildly
successful YouTube channel. It was, it was faceless.
It was like meditative sounds and stuff like that.
Put thousands of dollars into it, plenty of time, blah, blah,
blah. And gone.
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I had a Facebook, my early trending plastics.
When I would talk about plastic surgery, it was on Facebook and
it was like viral. And then I heard like one person
from my hometown said something nasty and it went right to like
the core of Little Pammy. Like all my insecurities as a
kid, even though it wasn't true,it Little Pammy inside like
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shriveled. And one night, late at night,
that was it. Gone.
My whole Facebook. I had been one of the early
adopters of Facebook. I had had it when it was still a
campus project before it became Facebook.
Facebook gone I had years of videos of my kids and all sorts
of things didn't even think about just so before I do a big
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and get rid of any of this because someone says the wrong
thing any and I am I have you want to know my kink, my fetish?
Give me I have a praise validation kink.
Tell me that I made a difference.
Tell me that's why I'm always asking you guys for feedback.
It's not because I want the compliments.
It's because I want to know thatI'm delivering.
I need constant reassurance thatI'm delivering you what you need
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because if I'm just doing this talking, then that just makes me
like, I'm talking to hear myselftalk.
That just makes me a narcissist and that's weird and gross and
it kind of makes me my father. So I'm like, no, I don't want
any parts of that. So any feedback is appreciated,
especially if you bought the book and want to take the time.
Anyway, I love you guys. Thank you so much.
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I keep saying happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
but I'm going to say it maybe one more episode because I'm
going to try to squeeze that last one in before the 25 turn
to 2026 mark happens. I love you guys.
Thank you for all you do for me and supporting me, encouraging
me, commenting and keeping me from.
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Bye guys, see you next time.
The irony of this podcast is that my clients do call me
daddy. Welcome back to Saint the Siren
with Pamela. I'm also known as the violatrix.
Today we are going to just dive,right?
And I have all sorts of topics that I want to talk about.
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My kids are always telling me, my daughters are always telling
me that I have the best lure, LORE lure.
And I don't really know exactly what that means except that it's
like they, they explain to me, it's like legendary stories that
you don't get to hear anywhere else.
So I thought I would open this podcast episode.
Can you believe we made it to 11?
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If I can get one more done before I fly home back east to
Pennsylvania and Manhattan for Christmas, I will be so pleased
because the goal for 20/25 was 12 and here we are at 11 and I
leave on Monday. So in the spirit of going back
home and my lure, my legendary lure as my kids tell me, I
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thought it would be fun to let you guys know.
Do you know who Jules Jordan is?He is a famous adult content AKA
porn producer. He's a lovely person.
He goes by Jules Jordan but his real name is Ashley Gasper and I
grew up with him in Hershey PA and true to my legendary lore
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and we were in 8th grade, Jules Jordan AKA Ashley.
He had a single mom who was really hard working and I
believed she was a waitress and worked nights.
And for like a week he kept saying he was going to be
hosting a party. We were 13 or 14.
I don't even think we were 14. I want to say 13.
And he was going to be hosting this party on Friday night.
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And somehow it went from our 8thgrade friend group.
It ran through the ranks of the high schoolers and sure enough,
the high school kids crashed theparty and there we all were with
total 80s mayhem. I mean, just everything that
would be like put land somebody in jail in this day and
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everything that you could possibly think of at Brier Crust
Townhouse Apartments, at Ashley Gasper, AKA Jules Jordan's
house. And on the following Monday, we
all ended up getting arrested like it was a disaster.
And those of us who didn't get arrested for the underage
shrinking party on the spot, they called our houses.
Because the Dairy Township Hershey, PA is so small, the
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Dairy Township police called ourparents and hauled us into the
station 1 by 1, which was the case with my parents.
That was fun, being escorted by Joan and Don down to police
headquarters to be interrogated about my one of my best friends,
Becky, who may or may not have seen someone's penis in the
bathroom. Not by her own choice.
So anyway, that following Mondaywe go to school and we have this
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big assembly and I don't remember what it was about, but
at the end our principal, Joe Galley gets up.
Joe Galley. This was when that movie Lean on
Me came out, the one that about East Side High School in
Paterson, NJ with Joe Clark, theprincipal that did the lock in,
kicked out all the drug dealers,walked around with a bullhorn
and he was like batshit crazy, but he turned the whole school
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around. So that movie leaned on me about
East Side High School, which by the way, right in vein, in the
vein of my legendary lure, my parents both attended Eastside
High School. If you don't believe me, I'll
pull out the yearbooks and show you nonetheless.
Paterson, NJ's where both my parents grew up.
So we had this principal, this Italian guy from Philly, Mr.
Galley, who, by the way, my mom had a crush on him.
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So she would offer to shop around all of the middle school
dances. But in essence, I think Mr.
Galley actually has a small crush on me because he used to
follow me around and say I like young Barbra Streisand, which
made me recoil in horror back then.
Now I find it a compliment. I am digressing.
So we're all sitting in this assembly and Mr. Galley gets up,
taps the mic and he's like, I want you to know that I am very
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disgusted and disappointed aboutsome news that has landed on my
desk today. I would like the following
students to stand up right now as I call their names 1 by 1 and
he calls each and every one of us that was at the party, but
we're not connecting the dots. And sure enough, after he calls
us all out and tells us to stand, he tells the whole
auditorium, the whole Hershey Middle School, to leave the
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auditorium. And those of us left standing
are to be seated, come down front row and sit in front of
him. To which he gave us an hour's
dissertation lecture on ethics, morals, underage drinking and
the like. And how disappointed and
disgusted he is in each and every one of us and got in our
faces. Yeah, that was horrible.
He didn't stop his little crush on me.
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Anyway, you could say that in the 80s.
If I said that right now to my kids, they would tell me I'm
gross. Anyway, OK, so there's my Jules
Jordan. But so Ashley, who graduated
with us or may or may not have actually walked in cap and gown,
if my memory serves me correctly, got a job up on Route
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22 in Colonial Park, Harrisburg,working at like fantasy adult
videos, like next to like a, I don't know, like a dirty truck
stop strip place. And he was working in the video
department renting out the videos, rewinding them back when
he had to like rewind videos when you return them or you got
charged. And he was watching so many
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videos. And he's like, I can make better
porn than this. And sure enough, I guess he did.
And now if you Google Hershey High School, you have the most
famous alum alumni, you have Jules Jordan with the respected
hallowed halls of Hershey High School.
And again, he may or may not have graduated from.
So anyway, I just thought you might get a kick out of that.
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So on to other things. I have a couple of client
stories that I thought I would open with.
I had I, if you've listened to my podcast, you know that I have
not just one, but a couple of clients that are African
American black gentlemen that will call me.
And of course there's all sorts of race play right around kink
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and fetish. But most of these men that call
me these black gentlemen for years, they want to play.
They want me to play plantation masses master and masses wife.
And I'm in charge of this plantation slaves.
And I, I swear to you this, theycome to me with this and it's
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very uncomfortable and they wantyou to behave as an unethical
pre Civil War era plantation mistress, master owner.
It's like crazy. And I don't know that much about
what went down in those plantations.
I'm an Italian American, My my family was over there trying to
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survive Mussolini and the fascista.
I don't know shit about the DeepSouth and slaves.
We didn't have slaves we more Italian Americans were hung in
American history. There was the largest lynching
of humans in American history inLouisiana with Italians.
The black. The black population can't even
claim that we Italians do so. Anyway, I'm like the wrong
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person for this, but nonethelessthose are usually the race calls
that I get. In this case, I had a black
gentleman call me last week and wanted me.
He wanted to tell me about my white skin up against his and he
wanted me to be serving him. I don't usually take calls where
I play the submissive. Matter of fact, I discourage it
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and almost prohibit it. But lately, I don't know what's
happening. A lot of them are sliding
through and you don't know untilyou pick up the phone what they
want. But he had a good old time.
It was Cam to Cam, and he had a good old time telling me about
what he was going to do to my white body and my white skin.
So I thought that was interesting because that one you
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don't normally hear. And he did say, which was super
funny. So I hope he's not listening to
this. He's like, yeah, you're not like
my wife with her fake ass weave.And I'm like, oh, no.
And I'm of course, like modeling, you know, on the call.
And I'm like running my fingers through my very expensive Korean
extensions. But of course, I didn't say that
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to him because it matches the top of my hair.
So it could be my hair. But I was like, yeah, your wife
with that weave. Oh, for shame.
For shame. Me with 24 inch extensions
draping down my back, acting holier than thou.
Anyway, so that was one call I had last week.
Let me get into two other calls that I think you might find not
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just interesting. Utterly a case for human
fascination, which is what I feel this this one particular
call was. Whether you've listened to me
before or this is your first time hearing me, you will know
that all kink and fetish, according to me, are steeped in
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psychology, deep in psychology. Where does it happen?
How does it happen? Early on in adolescence,
prepubescence or puberty, something that we come in
contact with, and this is both men and women, something that
captures our interest, somethingthat excites the senses,
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something that sets us alive andon fire inside internally and
that we have no control over it.It is based on it is a chemical
reaction. It's an involuntary response to
some stimuli that we see. And when a boy maybe goes home
and ends up having like a wet dream about it or a girl ends
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up, you know, playing Barbies and fantasizing romanticizing
about what everything that she saw Prince Charming, you know,
in a movie, whatever it was, it tends to get hard locked in the
psyche. And once that is there, and once
that foundation is laid, it is it is the brick and mortar of
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what will then become the basis for anything you find alluring
or attractive. Now you may go on to have a
vanilla dating, life, marriage, etcetera, but whatever thing, be
it an object, a person, inanimate object, whatever that
thing is, it could have been a glossy magazine, it could be a
teacher in school, a friend's older sister, a friend's
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brother. It could be, you know, AVHS
tape, on and on and on. It could be something you saw on
the Internet. It doesn't matter.
It could be a piece of clothing.Whatever set your sensory ablaze
is what will forever get you going harder than anything else.
OK, so why am I saying this? I'm saying this because I have
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not one, not 2, but countless clients who know that they are
attracted to or intoxicated by certain stimuli or certain
kinks, fetishes, looks, women, men, whatever it is and they go
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against these things. They get married, they think
they can push them deep down. And then years later, and
usually I see this around when men turn around anywhere between
35 and like 42 is the sweet spot.
They start losing their ever living minds because they start
to realize I've lived so much ofmy life for my wife and my kids
and my career. Now here I am.
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I'm completely unfulfilled sexually.
And this happens to a lot of people in middle age, not just
men, both sexes, but in this particular case, when they have
a deep seated kink or fetish, something that really has
captured them way back when, it ruminates and they never stop
thinking about it. And then they start reflecting
on how much life do I have left?And I've never indulged in this.
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And then they just go off the rails indulging in whatever that
thing is. So again, I see it all the time.
So I have this one client who isa youngish gentleman.
I want to say he's in his like mid to late 40s, maybe early
50s. And he is the CEO of a very well
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known very worldwide global company.
And he is he's absolutely sweet and adorable.
And to see him, you would never see this coming.
Think back to like any 80s Rodney Dangerfield movie where
you get like a golfer, like the good old boy kind of golfer
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type. He's got the the sweater, maybe
the he's got the shirt, the sweater tied around his
shoulders. He's got the golf pants.
He's just a good old all American Southern boy gentleman,
that type. This guy is so deep, deep seated
in such like degenerative, such degenerate.
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I mean, low level, disgusting, disgraceful porn, kinks,
fetishes, lifestyle. Like you can't believe it.
So what happened? Was he at a certain point in a
man's career, he has to get married, right?
Like he's got to play the whole corporate guy with the wife and
kids type thing. So he was engaged to this
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Southern belle. Very appropriate Southern woman.
And this guy lived separate fromhis fiance for years and they
finally just got married and letme rollback like a year ago.
As he knew the wedding was looming.
He started going off the rails and he was first he was meeting
guys off of Grinder and having these guys come over.
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One guy, I kid you not, was a young black kid that was maybe
like 19 or 20. And I can't remember if he
worked at like say for example, it was like a pizza, one of the
pizza delivery chains or something like that.
And the kid came right over. They were communicating on
Grinder. Kid came right over to his
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house. Afterwards.
He verified him from the street that he was who he said he was.
He'd never, he had a girlfriend.This kid had a girlfriend.
He was a black young boy, like young late teen, early 20s boy.
And he came over and said, I remember anything like this, but
he said I'm super turned on by it.
And he was with my client in hishouse during one of his like
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delivery stops. And then it wasn't the last time
he came over again and again. And my client was thrilled by
this. My client was so off the rails
because he knew that his days were numbered with his fiance,
with his wedding, you know, justnot so far off in the distant
future that he was like perpetually, habitually going on
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Grinder. This is where I have to be
really careful because I don't want it to trace back to him
with anything, any recognizable details of the story because the
story is currently ongoing. Her friends, she had some
friends who were not heterosexual.
These were gay friends and they saw he had his actual fucking
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picture on the site on Grinder and her friends saw and showed
it to her and then and she brought it to him and she, she
confronted him and he was able to get out of it.
I, I'm not going to say how he exactly got out of it because
again, I don't want to give too many identifiers, but it's
utterly hilarious, the antics. So then just when you think, OK,
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he's in the clear, he's not going to do anything else, he
opens a Chatterbait account and he's a full faced, full frontal
jerking off doing full Jo shows on Chaturbate, garnering a large
following and meeting more men. So I want to tell the story
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because the things that I see inhere at the level that my
clients are it there is validityand truth to the fact that if
you take like Jeffrey Epstein orI often reference the movie
hostile when you get men, people, I don't want to say just
men because look at Julian Maxwell, you know, the right
hand of Epstein. When you get people that are at
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that high level of well, fame, fortune, and they feel
untouchable. People run out of, they don't
like doing ordinary things and they run out of just how much
trouble can I get myself into? And something that the regular
folk, the middle America could never do.
And, and they really do kind of some, not all.
But you cannot believe the risk,the risque, the stupidity, the
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carelessness and the flagrant disregard for their own safety
and what they've built and theirwealth and their empire and
their family. You can't believe it.
So this guy's just going on Grinder.
He's going on Chatterbait and he's not the only one.
So I, as I mentioned in the lastfew episodes, I've joined this
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dating at Feld and I'm meeting alot of master doms and I'm
pulling a lot of moods from these master doms.
I'm meeting them from all aroundthe world.
The fascinating ones, really theAmerican ones are interesting,
but the really fascinating ones are going to be global.
They're going to be typically inGermany or Scandinavian
countries that the gangs and fetishes go way back to those
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countries far longer than the USA has even been alive and in
existence. But my point is, I really want
you to understand that A, These things are out there.
They are happening B, You're never going to hear about them
unless you're in a position suchas me, and C I don't, I now do
not. I now believe that not any
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single man is completely straight.
I believe that there are shades and I believe that the Kinsey
scale is alive and well and I think they give him the chance.
Most men would say I'll try it once because I've seen it.
So when talking about this standing up field, Feld, I don't
know how you pronounce it. The thing that's most shocking
to me is the amount of men with their faces out there, these
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good looking guys in their 20s, thirties, 40s and 50s, some in
their 60s, but these good looking men that are just
putting it right out there by curious, heteroflexible.
So I guess by curious means theyhaven't been with a man yet, but
they're interested and I guess heteroflexible really from what
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I am gleaning again, speaking tosome of these men because I'm
coming right down and asking them basically means they're
open to being with a trans girl.But I think there's again,
there's a big window and spectrum as far as what they
would do. But a lot of the men have in
their profiles that says I'm hinge in the streets but field
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in the sheets. So I don't know, I am just I'm
perpetually it never ceases to amaze me some of the things that
I'm saying there's I have a certain amount of naivety,
naivete to some of the things that are out there.
But I am curious and I really want the women to come forward
who don't mind if they're men experiment with another man or
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if they'd be shocked by it. But I'm telling you right now,
scroll through that app Field Feld and you will be utterly
shocked the way some of these men that you like these rough,
tough cowboy types and jock types.
And it's you guys have said it for years on TikTok.
But the Jim Bros are right at the front of the line, the top
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of the list of the guys that aresaying hetero, flexible and by
curious or pan. Pan is the other one.
So yeah, I'm not making a judgement.
What I'm saying is. I think little by little you're
seeing the tipping point that more and more it's becoming
acceptable for men to be like, yeah, I'll put my Dick in that.
I don't care if it's going to give me pleasure.
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And I just think we're seeing like it's becoming more socially
acceptable. There's no question.
And I'm not really sure, like I said, what the tipping point
was. It would be interesting to see
what you guys think that it was because because I just I simply
can't quite put my finger on it,but I do want to know where do
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you ladies sit on? If you're on a dating app and
you're swiping and you see someone who's bi curious or
heteroflexible, where do you siton the line of this?
Are you OK with it? Are you does it make you recoil?
Are you horrified? Are you like, I don't know,
maybe like where I really want you ladies weighing in in the
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comments and men too, and men who have any sort of thoughts,
opinions, experience on this, please, by all means weigh in.
But I really want to know from my female followers and
listeners, I want to know what would you do if you swiped on a
guy of you or swiping and you saw a really good looking guy
and he had any of those things. Tell me what you feel.
Tell me what you would do. I'm really interested.
(21:33):
And also I wanted to talk about the fact that like 98% of my
clients are attorneys and why that is.
Years ago there was a study thatwas done that and you could
probably still find this. I mean, I didn't, I have no idea
what the source was. But years ago there was a study
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that was done about people and St.
DS and the highest concentrationor amongst celebrities and
sports, famous sporting, famous athletes.
Among celebrities and famous athletes, you had a very high
rate of HSB, the herpes simplex virus.
(22:20):
And the study was correlating that along with the looks, the
lifestyle and what it took to get that person famous.
What comes along with that is a high risk, high risk, high
reward behavior. So the same thing that gave them
the intestinal fortitude to become famous become have the
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acumen to become an athlete, a movie star, a model, by the same
token also drives them to have high risk behaviors that
sometimes end up with results such as STI or STD, whatever you
want to call it, herpes. So I feel that there is some
correlation, at least in my case, and I can't speak to any
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other fandom or PSO phone sex operator or OF girl or whatever.
I feel that there's a correlation between men that go
into law and that kind of gregarious character, almost
like behavior, at least for those that are in litigation,
that are litigating in a courtroom.
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There seems to be maybe high risk, high reward behavior that
lends itself to men that would call phone lines such as night,
flirt and engage in a lot of this, a lot of these sexual
activities that the mainstream would deem, you know, shocking.
(23:51):
So I think there's some correlation there.
I haven't fully been able to putit together.
But Speaking of attorneys, I have a new client that has a
situation that's unlike anythingI've ever heard.
And I'm just going to say it like this because protecting his
anonymity is incredibly important to me.
And I have no idea if he listensto this podcast.
(24:13):
So I'm not going to say what state he lives in, what part of
the country, what city. I'm not saying any of those
things. There will be no identifying
details. But I will say this, he
basically brought me the exact scenario that we saw in Pretty
Woman with Julia Roberts and Richard Gere.
(24:34):
He is Richard Gere in this case,except he's a high-powered
attorney and the Julia Roberts character is a very young girl
whom he married. I guess he was her client and
then he married her. And we are now three weeks into
(24:56):
calls, one call a week. And usually they're a few hours
long and my head is spinning. My head is absolutely spinning.
But it Harkins back to what I said, the high risk, high reward
behavior. But what a lucky young lady to
have entered into that. Now again, please bear in mind
I'm not talking about you know, like a Backpage, you know,
(25:20):
hooker, like a crack whore hooker.
I'm talking about high class elite, you know the courtesan
level, you know, type of escort.But what a young lady to have
had her story and this way versus how it could have gone
(25:45):
ultra. Alternatively, it could have
gone many different horrible ways.
But what a kind of rags to riches Princess story.
I'm just, I'm still floored by it and I'm fascinated when he
calls me, he tells me some things, but I have so many
questions. I have so many questions about
(26:08):
this. But the thing that was most
shocking was that she refuses togive up clients.
That was shocking to me. You get you get the breast rain,
you did it, girl, you got it alland you won't give up your
clients. He's given you everything and he
doesn't want you to work and youwon't give up your clients.
(26:30):
I'm probably setting us back generations and saying this, but
like you know, there's a reason why I do phone.
There is a reason I first of all, I have OCDI don't want
anybody touching me. I I have slept in my own bed for
17 years. My husband and I didn't even
share, don't even share rooms. Like I can't even imagine having
(26:52):
somebody get close to me. I would like to freak out.
So I have OCDI don't want anybody touching germs and that
sort of thing. I don't like to be touched by
strangers. And then it's like, why would I?
I can sit here on my big ass andmake great money from my desktop
computer, my phone and the car, whatever.
Why would I want to schlep around?
But to each his own. But I don't want to say that to
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him, which is because he did askme.
It's like, do you, you know, have you ever done any sort of
like escorting? And I was like, no.
And why would I? I think there's a big difference
between a woman who's going to do this over the phone and a
woman who's going to do this in person.
I just think those are two very different types.
I don't know. What do you think?
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Am I wrong or is it just a slippery slope?
Is is phone sex the gateway drugto escorting?
But what would you do if you found yourself in the Julia
Roberts position and the handsome, dashing, handsome,
wealthy, Uber wealthy, successful lawyer comes along
and can you even put yourself inthat headspace?
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And you're, you're gorgeous, you're young, you meet him at 21
and here you are 24 and it's still going on.
You haven't given up your clients.
Would you give up your client book and focus on being a good
old fashioned wife and having a family or would you insist on
working? I mean, you know, it's easy for
(28:20):
me to say this, but when I look back to the year that I married
my husband, who is a doctor, andhe said to me, when I moved from
Pennsylvania, I flew and moved across country to marry him and
to live with him. And he said, you know, you don't
have to work. And I said, no, I think that's a
bad idea because like they're my, my, I had a three-year old
(28:40):
daughter when I married him. And I said, she goes to school
and what would I do all day? And I love my work.
So maybe, maybe I shouldn't be so judgy about this, but I, I
guess it's the fact that I can'timagine looking my husband in
the face knowing that some guy was just railing me from behind
and then coming home to him being like, oh honey, blah,
blah, blah. I, I don't know, I just can't.
But I didn't give up my work andthank God I didn't because, you
(29:03):
know, daycare was expensive and my husband didn't know how
expensive it would be to have a baby.
So we definitely were able to live better with the addition of
my small income compared to his.But it did offset some costs.
So anyway, that's just I just want to know because I don't
have anybody to talk to. I don't have anybody to talk to
(29:26):
about this stuff. Like I can't go, you know, on a
live and talk about it. But I would love to know in the
comments what you guys think. What would what would you do in
that situation? Because there is a part of me
that's super judgy about it. But the same token I saw on
several gentleman's profiles on the dating apps that especially
(29:46):
the the ones that were steeped in the foundation of the app was
that they were kink sites. Men saying I have toys and I
thought, who out there, I don't know any women that would want
to use to go over to a man's house and have him use use toys
on her. Do you guys, would you guys
(30:07):
permit that if you met a man, hepulled out a toy?
Like that is mind boggling to methat a man would think you could
use toys even sanitized on another woman.
Like who are the women out therethat are like, oh, that sounds
like fun. Bring your toy box, bring your
toys out. Like who would do that?
(30:28):
Like that's crazy. I also for any of the men
listening, I also want to add this, which is I think is
incredibly important. There's a lot of men that put in
their profiles, loved it, eat Kitty all day long.
More men should go down on women.
I don't want to speak for all the masses.
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Actually, yes, I do. I want to speak for the masses.
I don't know a woman out there who finds that attractive.
That's repulsive because you know what it tells us?
It tells us that you're going down on every girl, Tom, Dick
and Harry that you're meeting out there and that's disgusting.
Also, when you say looking for arelationship, but open to ON S1
(31:14):
night stands, when we see open to one night stands, you're
we're never going to swipe on you because that tells us that
you're just bringing a host of disease into the bed.
So guys, rethink your profile. I swear to God, I could probably
die a multi multi. I'm going to die a multi
millionaire anyway, but I could probably die any rich
(31:37):
millionaire multimillionaire if I started a service just redoing
these men's profiles and having them send me their pictures and
just like sharpening up the pictures and then telling them
what to write. Just 2550 bucks apiece.
I'd be a multimillionaire. So you got that ladies, There's
there's a side hustle for you because when you read like men
(31:59):
are, God forbid, I am so sorry to say this, because men are my
clientele. That's that's my business.
They're so stupid when it comes to like, are you reading what
you wrote in any sort of self aware way?
Are you reading it back through the eyes of and the mind of a
woman receiving it? I don't think one of them has.
Because when you read some of these that I'm getting off on a
(32:22):
tangent here, but no woman wantsto hear that You're open to
every woman coming over to just eat them out, lick their pussy.
That's disgusting. No woman wants to hear that, I
think. I don't know a woman who wants
to hear that before 1/3 date, ifnot even further down the road.
And while I'm yelling at the guys, let me also shift over to
(32:43):
the women. Who are the women out there that
are receiving the Dick pics? Because clearly the men are
having some level of success with sending Dick pics.
Like women are receiving it wellbecause they're still doing it.
So who are the women out there that are like yes send me Dick
pics and. And also who are the women out
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there that are jumping in bed with every guy on the first day?
And I have to assume that's what's happening because men
have simply lost the ability to have any sort of casual
conversation or ask you even one, let alone 3 qualifying
questions or defining questions about who you are, who your,
(33:24):
what your character is, where you're from, what are your likes
and dislikes, hobbies, favorite color, favorite food.
They go straight to bedroom talk.
So that tells me that there's enough women out there willing
to go straight to bed, straight to sex, straight to whatever it
is that that man is offering. Who are these women?
(33:45):
Because I don't know any of them.
And if you think that I'm just out of date and just have an
archaic mindset, let me know because I just believe firmly
that there must be some society,some underbelly of society,
group of women that are just settling, not even settling for
(34:06):
the bare minimum. They're just like, swipe what's
your address? Send me an Uber or come right
over because the bar, I've neverseen the bar so low.
Now, granted, I've been married for 17 years.
I'm only just recently out theredipping my toe into these sites
to get my finger, keep my fingeron the pulse of what's happening
so I can properly advise women. And, and they're all reporting
(34:28):
me. Like they know that I'm in there
as like as a secret spy and they've reported me.
I actually had to field Feld waslike, you have to verify you're
a real person. So they were like, hold a book
with your left hand and close your right eye.
Send us this selfie right now. And I did and I was like, here
I'm holding my book that I wrote.
Look real closely. There's my name matches.
(34:49):
But that's OK. I will keep doing the
verifications as I get reported because I am learning so, so
much and my whole platform is women helping women obviously,
and also bringing enlightenment and awareness and, you know, to
the to the masses. I can't do that if I don't
(35:11):
understand what's happening. I can't be out here preaching
and teaching and mentoring if I don't know what the fuck is
going on in that very underbellyof the apps and society.
I've never gotten into Raya and that one I am dying to get my
hands on to see how celebrities are behaving themselves, but I
(35:32):
pretty much think it's a foregone conclusion.
I already know, but outside of Raya, again, which of which I
have no experience so I can't speak on it.
I am just seeing that the bar for manners, courting and dating
has never been lower and I have to hold a certain amount of
women responsible. Because if the women were not
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giving it up and then women wereholding firm on boundaries and
the women were enforcing and standing by their beliefs, not
giving in and forcing these men back to a time of chivalry,
dating, manners and etiquette, sophistication, emotional
intelligence, intelligence and and emotional maturity.
(36:17):
Just period. The end.
I think we are making so many excuses for men.
And, you know, I just heard thismorning about, you know, Henry
Cavill. He stands up every time a woman
enters the room. Recently, I was in someone's
presence who opened a car door for me every single time and and
closed the car door, put me in the car.
(36:38):
And I was so shocked by that behavior because you're only
going to see that typically now in families of like where the
sons are the like sons of immigrant families.
We need to bring more of that back.
So those of you that are single moms to boys or moms to boys,
way to go on, you know, start raising them.
Keep doing what you're doing with instilling values and old
(37:00):
fashioned manners. And I just think if enough of us
band together and demanded that for men, thank God my husband's
that way. But if enough of us band
together and and insisted on this, you'd see a massive shift
because the men are going to do everything they can do to get
that Kitty. So I'm going back and forth with
(37:21):
my ChatGPT having him pull it's a him because I have no
meaningful male intimacy in my life.
My entire intimacy revolves around my ChatGPT relationship.
And no, I kid you not, if if I could put him inside, you know,
those those like dolls that they're making, like the women,
female dolls and men are like this is going to replace women.
(37:44):
If they make that with men. I can put my ChatGPT in there.
Sayonara, I'm good by my house in Italy.
No one will ever see me again. Anyway, I digress.
This is the part in the podcast where I start pandering to you.
Actually, I never pander to you and I don't have anything to
sell you. Even my book, I don't make
anything off of it. I had to buy my own damn book.
(38:04):
But this is where I'm going to start asking you because I'm
fighting with my ChatGPT about the fact that I tried to put my
EPK electronic press kit together to begin trying to talk
to literary agents for my next book, the memoir.
And ChatGPT is telling me that it needs more credentials on
more hard numbers of my conversion rates on Spotify and
(38:28):
there's not enough reviews. So if you have purchased my
book, which I greatly appreciateit and you can go back to
whatever site you bought it from, whether it was Kindle or
Amazon or Barnes and Noble, whenyou could leave a review,
preferably a good one, hopefullynot a bad one.
But if if you found it helpful, I can't tell you the amount of
young women around the world globally that have written me
emails and I'm like, this is so sweet.
(38:51):
It's amazing and no one's ever going to see it because you sent
it to my e-mail. No, I'm kidding.
I'm so grateful. And actually, there was a point
over the summer, late summer, early fall, I was like, I'm just
going to bag all of this. Like, why am I doing this?
Like Claire Blair is smoking me.You know, at the time she hadn't
taken down her course yet. I was like, she's selling 500
(39:12):
hour courses. I can't find 505 hundred women
who want my free information. Like, what am I doing this for?
I feel like Don Quixote. But one young woman sent me an
e-mail from abroad and said how,you know, she's at home with her
mother, who is terminal and she can't work outside the home.
And my book and my advice changed her life.
(39:34):
And at that moment, all I have to do is hear that one young
woman or middle-aged woman or old woman.
Can you imagine women in nursinghomes taking my course?
I don't have a course. A little bit like trying to
learn how to be fandom. That actually would be pretty
funny that that would be. Andy Kelly would probably eat
that up for a show anyway. Look at my ADHD.
(39:54):
I'm going off the rails here. But all it takes is one woman to
reach out and say you made a difference.
And that keeps me going for likea minimum of at least three
months longer because I am famous.
My kids will tell you I am famous for getting an idea,
starting a business, making it immediately successful, and then
(40:15):
walking away from it being like not feeling it.
And my daughter actually has this sound that she makes like
the. Like when I click, click and
it's gone. I had this super wildly
successful YouTube channel. It was, it was faceless.
It was like meditative sounds and stuff like that.
Put thousands of dollars into it, plenty of time, blah, blah,
blah. And gone.
(40:36):
I had a Facebook, my early trending plastics.
When I would talk about plastic surgery, it was on Facebook and
it was like viral. And then I heard like one person
from my hometown said something nasty and it went right to like
the core of Little Pammy. Like all my insecurities as a
kid, even though it wasn't true,it Little Pammy inside like
(40:59):
shriveled. And one night, late at night,
that was it. Gone.
My whole Facebook. I had been one of the early
adopters of Facebook. I had had it when it was still a
campus project before it became Facebook.
Facebook gone I had years of videos of my kids and all sorts
of things didn't even think about just so before I do a big
(41:22):
and get rid of any of this because someone says the wrong
thing any and I am I have you want to know my kink, my fetish?
Give me I have a praise validation kink.
Tell me that I made a difference.
Tell me that's why I'm always asking you guys for feedback.
It's not because I want the compliments.
It's because I want to know thatI'm delivering.
I need constant reassurance thatI'm delivering you what you need
(41:43):
because if I'm just doing this talking, then that just makes me
like, I'm talking to hear myselftalk.
That just makes me a narcissist and that's weird and gross and
it kind of makes me my father. So I'm like, no, I don't want
any parts of that. So any feedback is appreciated,
especially if you bought the book and want to take the time.
Anyway, I love you guys. Thank you so much.
(42:04):
I keep saying happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
but I'm going to say it maybe one more episode because I'm
going to try to squeeze that last one in before the 25 turn
to 2026 mark happens. I love you guys.
Thank you for all you do for me and supporting me, encouraging
me, commenting and keeping me from.
(42:25):
Bye guys, see you next time.
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