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Maureen has over 25 years of experience in mystical and sacred traditions. Known as the Practical Mystic, she is a prolific teacher and facilitator of spiritual knowledge for contemporary life. As an internationally acclaimed ascension teacher, Maureen has been granted access to a dimension close to most humanity for eons and is a direct channel to Source.

She is the founder of St. Germain Mystery School and Akashic Records International. Her annual program, The Ascension Institute, is a highly sought-after immersive training for evolving humans!

Check out my podcast episodes 194 and 251 for prior discussions with Maureen.

Maureen St Germain returns to explore the fascinating world of spirit guides, angel guides, and dragon energy, explaining how to communicate with these beings and receive their guidance in everyday life.

• Angels are emissaries from Source whose mission is to help us remember how much we are loved
• Being specific when calling on guides creates a stronger connection—naming them creates resonance
• Dragons are 4D beings who specialize in clarity, helping us see truth that might otherwise be hidden
• We're transitioning toward 5D consciousness which feels "yummy" compared to the "wonky" 3D reality
• Signs like found feathers, cardinal visits, or miraculously discovered lost objects are confirmations from guides
• You don't have to believe in guides to receive their help—simply ask sincerely and be open to signs
• The old system of karma is no longer in effect—we attract experiences for healing, not punishment
• Spiritual connection works best when balanced equally with our physical existence

Ask for specific help from your guides and if you need a sign that they're real, request something unmistakable. Download Maureen's app "Illuminate" from your app store to access guided meditations for connecting with angels and dragons.


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Sandy Kruse (00:02):
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(01:32):
Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle
Queen.
Today with me for a third time.
I have a return guest.
Her name is Maureen St Germain.
I've had her on my show.
Excuse me, I have a frog in mythroat.
I've had her on my show beforeto talk about understanding your
higher self.

(01:53):
That was episode 194.
We also touched on the Akashicrecords.
I also had her on my show totalk about the fifth dimension.
That was episode 251.
So go and listen to those twoepisodes.
This week we are talking aboutyour guides, your spirit guides,

(02:19):
your angel guides.
Who are these guides?
And the reason I wanted to havea show about this is because
you see a growing number ofInstagram reels and TikToks that
talk about our guides, but alot of times you're like who are
these guides?

(02:39):
How do I tap into these guides?
You're going to hear all aboutit on today's show.
I do find it interesting whenyou go on Instagram and you see
somebody who has, you know,maybe a thousand followers and
then the following week they'vegot 20,000 followers.

(03:02):
I want to bring light to thisbecause I want to help
desensitize our world to thisnotion that if you have a lot of
followers, you must be smart,you must be an expert, you must
be popular.

(03:22):
I would like to desensitize theworld to this, and the reason
I'm saying that is I have beenon the Instagram platform for
eight years now.
I started back when I was innutrition school in college and
then I moved more to integrativehealth topics, perimenopause,

(03:44):
menopause, hormones.
I started moving into body,mind, spirit and soul.
Actually, I think I startedwith that right off the bat.
I started my podcast five yearslater and one would look at me
and go wait a minute you onlyhave like 6,700 followers on
Instagram and what 15,200 Ithink I'm at on TikTok.

(04:10):
Then on Facebook, I think I'mat about 9,000.
So my podcast has over 1.3million downloads in the last
five years.
I think that's pretty great.
I'm pretty happy with all ofthis.
I do nothing to have anycompanies try and boost my

(04:37):
follows, so I want to make thatclear to everybody.
I'm not saying I'll never do it.
Maybe I will if I find acompany that does it
authentically, with integrityand honesty.
But most of the time they usesome bots.
And anyway, I wanted to bringyou to.

(04:57):
I guess I wanted to bring thisto light, because I don't choose
my podcast guests based ontheir followers.
I choose them based on if Iresonate with the topic, if I
resonate with them and if I feelwe could have a great

(05:19):
conversation to bring somethingof value to my audience.
I wanted to bring this upbecause I'd like the world to
change, just in a better, moreauthentic way, with integrity.
That's why.

(05:40):
That's why, on that note, whenyou do follow me, when you do
share my podcast, when you dorate and review my podcast, you
could do that on Apple and onSpotify.
That helps me to keep gettingincredible guests.
Because of this reason I knowit's not great because I think I

(06:06):
have a pretty good show and Ithink I've shown you guys that I
come out every single week todo my best to provide free
content for you.
So follow me because you likeme, because you support me,
because you support my show andwhat I'm trying to achieve in

(06:32):
this world of wellness.
Follow me for those reasons andshare and like and comment on
my content to help my I guess,help my content to kind of get
caught up in that algorithm, tohelp boost it naturally.

(06:55):
So I am Sandy Kay Nutritioneverywhere.
So you can find me on Facebook,tiktok, instagram.
So you can find me on Facebook,tiktok, instagram.
I'm also a writer, so I providea lot of free content through
short essays that areexplorative essays to help you
explore your own wellness.

(07:17):
I don't ever use the word expertanymore.
I'm really unless I say it bymistake word expert anymore.
I'm really, unless I say it bymistake.
I have found too much of a lossof integrity with this one word
so I've stopped saying it.
So I ain't going to say itanymore, my friends, unless I
say it by mistake, and thereason I'm not going to is

(07:39):
because I've even been invitedand called into groups to become
a so-called expert by title, solong as I paid for it and it
can be big money.
I found out a lot of interesting, a lot of interesting things

(08:01):
that give me an ick feeling inthis industry of wellness that
have transpired over the lasteight years.
People who were podcasters, whocreated content because they
were passionate.
Maybe they had the hero'sjourney, like I do, but now it's

(08:21):
all about the money, my friends.
So this is why I encourageresonance.
I encourage you not to gooutside for all the answers.
Maybe listen to this, listen tothat here and there and then go
back and do your own researchif it makes sense for you and

(08:42):
your wellness.
Also, tap into your ownintuition, what actually feels
good in your body.
Don't just go and listen tothis doc or that doc doctor or
this person because they have amillion followers.
If they give you an ick feeling, there's a reason for that ick

(09:06):
feeling and that's what I reallytry to educate on in my writing
, in my content, in everything Ido.
We got to turn back intoourselves to see if these things
make sense to us.
Things make sense to us Because, unfortunately, we used to be

(09:31):
in this, or I used to be in thisworld of holistic health, whole
, clean, pure, with integrity.
My friends, it's not like thatanymore.
It's just not, andunfortunately it's just a
different branch from the sametree of big pharma, western
medicine, where, unfortunately,greed, money, power, ego all

(09:55):
take a forefront.
I've written about this in mysub stack.
You can go and follow me on mysub stack.
It's sandycruisesubstackcom.
It will be in the show notes.
Please don't forget to engagewith my content anywhere you are
, just to help us little folkstill remain seen.

(10:19):
And now let's cut on through tothis amazing interview with
Maureen St Germain.
Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle
Queen.
Today with me I have one of myfavorite return guests, maureen
St Germain.
Maureen has over 25 years ofexperience in the area of

(10:41):
mystical and sacred traditions.
Known as the practical mystic,she is a prolific teacher and
facilitator of spiritualknowledge for contemporary life.
As an internationally acclaimedAscension teacher, maureen has
been granted access to adimension that has been closed

(11:01):
to most of humanity for eons andis a direct channel to source.
She is the founder of StGermain Mystery School and
Akashic Records International.
Her annual program, theAscension Institute, is a highly
sought-after immersion trainingfor evolving humans, and I

(11:23):
think we're in that era rightnow, maureen, I think you know
humanity's changing, so this isall very timely.
She was on my podcast beforeepisodes 194 and 251.
And today we will be discussingcommunicating with our guides.

(11:47):
Discussing communicating withour guides we hear this a lot
and I think the biggest misswith social media is that we get
these 30-second clips, and so Ihope that everybody who's
listening will listen to thisentire podcast, because we're
going to try and give as muchinformation as we can in this
approximate one hour.
We're going to talk about angelguides, spirit guides, spirit

(12:11):
animals, dragons, dragon energyand how different ones will show
up at different times and whatthey mean.
So the reason this conversationis so important is, you know,
on social media, you're going toget this 30-second clip that
will give you just a littlesnippet of you know who these

(12:32):
angel guides are, but everyone'slike, okay, well, how do I
access my angel guides, how do Iaccess my spirit guides?
Well, maureen is here to talkto us and give us as much
information.
Then you can go and join one ofher programs.
Get one of her books, becauseshe's written many, and I'm just
so happy to have you back again, maureen.

(12:53):
So with that, welcome back.

Maureen St. Germain (12:56):
Thank you.
It's so fun to talk to you andto be your guest and, for those
of you who are just tuning in,we are so simpatico that we
talked for half an hour beforewe could even get started on our
interview.
So you're going to be.
We're warmed up already yeah.

Sandy Kruse (13:13):
And I always like that, I've, I've.
I'm not sure about you, maureen, but I've been on the receiving
end where you don't somebodylike whoever the host is, they
don't talk to you at all, andthen you're like, okay, I gotta,
I gotta be on, and then ittakes time to warm up.
But we've definitely got asynergy going, since we've
recorded before.
We know each other, I think,relatively well as well as we

(13:34):
can through zoom now three timesso, but you know people who are
listening for the first time.
They might not know your story.
So I think it's alwaysimportant to start with that.
They might not know your story.

Maureen St. Germain (13:46):
So I think it's always important to start
with that.
Okay, so let me see if I cangive you the Cliff Notes version
.
I was one of six children bornon a farm.
I was the middle child.
I was picked on by my siblingsand very sensitive.
In hindsight I could see myemotional body was bigger than

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four city blocks and I was also,as a child, aware that I was
being watched, and I was watchedby both benevolent and non
benevolent beings, and I wasnever afraid.
I just was aware that they werewatching me.
Somebody was watching me.
As a young adult, I grew upCatholic.

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As a young adult, I pursuedmore spiritual knowledge and
gradually gravitated towardsspirituality and raised my
children in the awareness of theAscended Masters and the
Archangels.
I worked in the corporate worldfor a long time.

(14:53):
I put my sons through college,and that took a lot of resources
.
In America, you know, collegeis not free resources.
In America, you know, collegeis not free.
I went through a lot withlearning to manifest and
becoming a good manifester, andmy heart's desire was to be of

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service to humanity, and so, astime went on, I took a lot of
coursework and got certified inone that I was particularly
enchanted with and that was theMerkaba teaching, and from there
my guides would come in moreand more and eventually I was
channeling my own information,or information from spirit, and

(15:37):
in the process I wrote sevenbooks, and the one that you may
have heard of first was theBeyond the Flower of Life, which
was based on you know how canyou improve your meditation
practices, and it's usefulwhether you're a meditator of
any kind, not just the Merkaba.

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And then that catapulted meinto a bigger awareness of 5D
and what it was, what was goingon, and I was actually the first
author to publish informationabout fifth dimension and I
spent seven years writing thatbook, so I was really like at

(16:18):
the front of that curve.

Sandy Kruse (16:20):
Well, I think that today's conversation is an
interesting one to many.
I know that some people kind oflook at you like when you
mentioned the 5D.
You can see that all of asudden they get spacey.
They're like what, what, whatare you talking about, right?

Maureen St. Germain (16:40):
Headlights right.

Sandy Kruse (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, but when you talk about your angel
guides, I think probably of allthese different guides many
people know or have heard of.
You know or see that peopletalk about their angel guides.
And the biggest thing is, Iknow because I live in this

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world of in-between and I livein a world where some are so
science and then some are wayover, on the other end of the
spectrum and I'm kind of in themiddle and I've actually been.
I actually was lecturing onceMaureen and somebody she was a

(17:26):
doctor.
She said to me she turnedaround she goes I really like
you, but I really don'tunderstand any of this woo, it's
all woo-woo.
So what do you say toindividuals who say it's too out
there, too woo, too esotericfor me to understand, they're
too esoteric for me tounderstand.

Maureen St. Germain (17:45):
It doesn't take much detective work to find
medical doctors who haveunderstood the spiritual
benefits of connecting withtheir inner wisdom and their
inner guidance.
With their inner wisdom andtheir inner guidance, many

(18:07):
doctors will tell you thatthey're just following science,
but they're really followingtheir intuition, and what I have
discovered is there's manydoctors who are now willing to
publish and say their story andhow they came to a bigger
spiritual connection, came to abigger spiritual connection.

(18:29):
What we need to understand ismodern medicine has only been
around for maybe a century andthat it came from a strong
desire for a certain individualto create medicine from oil
derivatives and drive peopleinto dependency upon these

(18:49):
products.
Humans are now becoming awarethat they've been possibly
unhook from some of the physicaldisabilities and also the

(19:11):
dependence on certain drugs, andso that's putting the power
back in the hands of the people.
Many doctors, their arms aretied because they are paid low
wages at the clinic that theywork at and their bigger money
comes from how many vaccinesthey recommend or how many of

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something else they do, and soit takes a certain amount of
integrity to step away from thatand say we're not doing that
anymore, and there are quite afew doctors who have left the
medical field and have eitherbeen stripped of their license
or talking about things that areso strongly not pro-AMA that

(20:06):
they've been ostracized and havechosen to walk away, so much so
that it's a crisis in America.
People who are relying onmedicine in the traditional
sense are finding that they haveto go great distances or wait

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long periods of time just to getin to see someone.
So it's a very big problem thatsome doctors don't see the
wisdom of their inner guidance.
But I believe that every one ofthose doctors that are all
science as you have used thatterm are having experiences in

(20:50):
their life that are so strongand so powerfully coincidental
that they are looking at thisand saying there's too many,
there's too much likelihood thatsomething else is going on and
I need to look deeper.
You know there's a well-knownpsychiatrist, shakuntali Modi,
who is a MD psychotherapist.

(21:12):
She is Indian by heritage.
In spite of that, she didn'tbelieve in reincarnation.
Very straight-laced medicalGrew up in America and she was
looking for one modality thatpeople could, that she could use
on her clients, that would beuniversal and help with the

(21:34):
clients, and she couldn't findone thing.
But she did find thathypnotherapy taking a person
back to the psychosis or whenthat event that started the
psychosis occurred that theycould heal from that.
So that was affecting about 50%of her patients, which was a
pretty good number consideringwhat she was dealing with.
But one day one of her clients,when she asked him to go back

(22:01):
in hypnotherapy to when thisissue started he went back to a
past life blew her out of thewater.
She was not expecting that andshe writes in her books.
I was surprised at the amount ofliterature on reincarnation

(22:22):
that I had completely missed, onreincarnation that I had
completely missed.
And then she went on to write acouple of other books after
that, and one of them is calledMemories of God and Creation,
where she actually regressespeople back to their first
formation in a body, and thestories are remarkably similar,

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whether they're Islam or Muslimor Christian or Jewish, agnostic
.
It's astounding and this kindof proves the point that humans
aren't just physical beings,we're spiritual beings and once

(23:04):
we recognize that ourspirituality is not more
important, it's an equal part towho we are, and ignoring half
of who we are is like trying tohang wallpaper with one arm.
It's silly.
It doesn't make any sense.
One of the things that I know,and this is really important for

(23:29):
people to realize I don't letspirituality rule my life, but I
don't let the physical realityrule my life either, and that's
what I would like to see foreveryone to have the ability to
balance that.

Sandy Kruse (23:45):
I love that.
And you know what, maureen, Ithink that this is and I say
this all the time.
I actually have a t-shirt thatI made oh almost five years ago
it was just after I started thispodcast and it says right on it
it's all about the balance, andI usually wear that in the

(24:07):
summer when I'm recording,because it's too cold over here.
Now I'm not going to wear at-shirt, but I think in life,
when we achieve balance in asmany areas body, mind, spirit,
soul so what we're putting inour body, that we're moving our
body, that we have some sort ofa spiritual practice, we're

(24:31):
eating whole, real foods, and itdoesn't matter.
It's not about being keto orbeing low carb.
That's not what it's about.
It's about feeling good in yourbody when you have a balanced
life.
And I will say this too, andthis is so cool it's very old,

(24:51):
this documentary.
I mean it certainly didn't havea billion dollar budget or
anything, but I watched it a fewtimes.
I actually bought it.
It's called Inner Worlds OuterWorlds.
Have you seen that, maureen?

Maureen St. Germain (25:07):
No, but it sounds like I need to.

Sandy Kruse (25:09):
Okay.
Okay, this is your sign,because you talked about it.
You talked about how you know,with the scientific advancements
we've made, many of us havegone away from that power that
we have within us and being ableto tap into these resources

(25:31):
that are ours, that come to usinternally within us.
And it's just and so that thatdocumentary and there's another
one, it's called it's Time, it'snewer, it was just released,
one it's called it's Time, it'snewer, it was just released
these two really kind of speakto what you were just saying

(25:52):
about how that practice.
I know and I've said this manytimes, maureen, because people
of the side sometimes they lookat you like I don't get you, I
don't understand you, and I'mlike, well, I don't have to
prove it, because I know it'sthere and I know it helps me get
through the more difficulttimes in life.

(26:15):
It really does, or it helps memake difficult decisions.
What do you think of that?

Maureen St. Germain (26:21):
Well, you know, it's lovely that you bring
this side up, because a lot ofpeople will, you know, say that
kind of thing I don't understand, it makes no sense, and they
dismiss it.
But the challenge is okay.
So you don't believe it, youdon't trust it.
Whatever Do it, just try it.

(26:42):
You know, call in your dragons,call in your angels, call in,
just try it.
You know, call in your dragons,call in your angels, call in
the ascended masters, ask fortheir help and see what happens.
And then you can even say giveme a sign that's irrefutable.
They still might resist, buttoday, in today's world, there's

(27:15):
so much light being broadcastto us to level up and to let go
of our old ways of operatingthat I like to joke around and
say everybody's going to be 5D,whether you're ready or not.
So you may as well takeadvantage and really begin to
operate that way.
And operating in a 5D way isnot difficult.

(27:36):
It is simply an understandingof a different way of operating.
And I'm going to explain that.
We all know that we're in 3Dand 3D has this quality, this
vibrational quality of judgmentand polarity.
You know good, bad, right,wrong, like that.

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And you know, take somebodydriving on the freeway, you know
there's good drivers andthere's not good drivers,
there's bad drivers.
However, in 5D, the opportunityto do something that is harmful
or hurtful doesn't exist, so wetend to it.

(28:24):
It doesn't occur to us.
It's kind of like um, my sonopening the refrigerator and
saying, mom, there's nothinghere for me and I I take him
through a process.
Okay, what about?
What about the tea?
What about the juice?
What about?
Did you ask about water?
Oh, no water.
Oh, it's so plain.

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So what happens is we don'tmiss those things that we got
used to doing, that weren't goodfor us, and we can get a boost
by calling in our angels.
And the cool thing is you don'thave to take my word for it.

(29:06):
All you need to do is to sayokay, this lady says dragons
will help me with my drive.
And there's a story of a man whowas the husband of a woman that
I was working with and he heardus talking all the time about
the dragons and he had thishorrible New England commute.

(29:28):
And if you've ever driven inVermont, you know the roads are
small, the icy roads in thewinter time.
People jump into traffic andout of traffic and it's just
crazy.
And even though he loved hisjob, he hated the commute.
So one day he said okay, fine,I'm going to ask these dragons
that they keep talking about to,you know, do the driving.

(29:48):
And that's what Maureen saysdrive, let the dragons do the
driving.
And he said people, let him in.
There wasn't anybody who cuthim off.
It was literally like he had amotorcade escort of dragons.
And he said from now on, I'mdriving with the dragons.
That is proof positive for thatone person.

(30:11):
So I say to you okay, this youknow, it's angels.
How do you know what yourangels are?
Well, you start out with yourguardian angel and you ask your
guardian angel to help you.
One of the really fun ways towork with your angels is to tell
them I'm not going to set myalarm, but I need to get up by 6
am or 7 am, whatever the timeis that you would like to get up

(30:34):
, and do it on a day that youdon't have to go to work, so
you're not sweating bullets andwaking up every hour trying to
figure out if it's time to getup.
Instead, just do it.
Okay, I'm going to sleep in,but I would like the you know my
angels to get me out of bed atnine o'clock and you would be
surprised.
Five minutes till nine you'rewide awake, wondering.
I thought I was going to sleepin.

(30:55):
Oh, I asked the dragons wake meup so I wouldn't throw away my
day, or the angels.
Now there are seven archangelsand one of the ways that you can
call them in is to call them byname.
So there is a.
There's a couple of guidedmeditations on my app.
This is a phone app for eitherAndroid or iPhones and it's a

(31:27):
cute little purple box with agold arrow.
So in the guided meditations Itell you about each of the seven
primary archangels that arerelated to the seven primary
rays of color, and I tell alittle bit about each of them

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and then I say a littleinvocation, like Archangel
Michael, help me align with my,my divine purpose, and I leave a
space for you to repeat afterme.
So it's a wonderful way tolearn about the angels and at
the same time, make your ownstatement that's personalized to

(32:09):
you as part of your connectionand your build-up, so that
you're not really working tomemorize who's who.
You're simply listening to arecording and repeating after me
in a way that it becomes secondnature.
So that's a wonderful way toget started.

(32:30):
And then there's lots ofresources on who's who in the
I'll call it the pantheon ofascended masters, and the
difference between an ascendedmaster, an angel and a dragon
might be helpful.
So ascended masters aregenerally beings who have lived

(32:51):
on the earth, experienced earthmany lifetimes and reached a
place of mastery.
Now there are a few exceptions.
There are some masters thathave never lived on earth, but
they've lived in other planetsand earned their ascension that
way.
The ascended masters have comeback to earth to assist earth's
shifting.
So they're like our, to assistearth's shifting.

(33:12):
So they're like our Elderbrothers and sisters.
You might call them the coachesTo help us get where we want to
go.
They've been there, they'vedone that and they can really
show us the way.

Sandy Kruse (33:26):
Can they be relatives?
Maureen, can they be relatives?

Maureen St. Germain (33:31):
Yes, If you have a family member that has
passed on and they come backWithout you.
Have a family member that haspassed on and they come back
without you inquiring.
Very often they come back tohelp you.
If you're calling them in, youmight be calling in their spirit
energy, which is real, but itisn't necessarily ascended, if

(33:51):
that makes sense.
You know, it's like thepersonality type.

Sandy Kruse (34:01):
Can I sorry?
I have a question because, like, I have to ask you this because
I know people would find itinteresting when one of my
children was going away toschool, I was worried.
They were moving away for thefirst time and there at school
there's this graffiti placewhere all the students, you know
, every night it's like a wholething where the every night the

(34:22):
students can go and they canspray paint and they're allowed
to graffiti, but the rule isit's done at night only.
So my husband and I took mydaughter to school and on that
spot was the name of my aunt whopassed away, who was like a

(34:44):
second mom to me when I was avery young, young child, and it
is the rarest name you have everseen and it's my daughter's
middle name.
We named her after her so andit was us leaving her at school.

(35:04):
So I actually took a picture ofit.
I'm like, oh my God, and I saidto my husband I go, is this
even real?
How can this be that this nameis here?
Who spray painted this name?
Like it's just so rare.
I'm not going to reveal thathere, the name, but I can tell

(35:26):
you it's like I never in my lifemet another person with this
name.
So to me I took that as somehowmy aunt was saying don't worry,
she's going to be okay, I'mgoing to be looking after her.

Maureen St. Germain (35:42):
Yes, totally, absolutely.

Sandy Kruse (35:47):
Anyway.
So who is that?
That's my aunt.
Is she an ascended master?
Like who is she?

Maureen St. Germain (35:54):
Well, let me tell you this is kind of an
aside, but there are many youngpeople, and adults too, that
have come in who are alreadyascended and they're part of the
transformation and they arehere to make sure humanity makes
it.
So your aunt may already havebeen an Ascended Master and only

(36:22):
she would know, or maybe youwould know it from knowing her.
But what I will say is in theAkashic Records.
When I'm working with people,many times someone is asking
about am I going to ascend inthis lifetime?
And the record keepers will sayno, you don't need to.
You already did that onceYou're part of the

(36:43):
reconnaissance mission.

Sandy Kruse (36:46):
Oh, which is.

Maureen St. Germain (36:50):
Well, earth is at a tipping point, we will
say.
Earth is at a tipping point, wewill say.
And what that means is mosthumans are choosing to step into

(37:11):
a higher level of expression,have never been taught what the
qualities of integrity andhonesty mean or how they are
valued.
So they need to learn that, andsome learn it very quickly and
some don't.

(37:33):
But what happens is, if you'veachieved mastery but you are
concerned about humanssucceeding in their path of
mastery, you might come back asa person willing to help and you

(37:55):
might not remember how hard itwas to be in a human body.
So you take on some humanfoibles, because it'd be like
having a trust fund.
You wouldn't wanna dip intothat while you're here helping.
You would simply be here on amission of service, and so,
whatever happens, it's neverabout you, it's never about

(38:18):
karma, it's truly not aboutanything you've done, right or
wrong.
It's all about I need to havethis experience.
For example, there are peoplewho grew up in very difficult
circumstances of abuse and inthe records they're told um,
this isn't, this was not a youknow why did I choose this?

(38:40):
And the answer is uh, it'snothing to do with um, you're
having a debt or needing to havethis experience because you did
it to somebody else.
You chose to have thisexperience so that you could be
of service to others in thatsame field, so that you would
know what they'd been through,and you would show hope that you

(39:06):
could get through it and comeout the other side.

Sandy Kruse (39:08):
So then, karma is not about debt.
Karma is about the experiencethat you're to have.
Like is that I don't, like I Iwould.
There's so many definitions ofkarma, maureen, that it gets.
It gets really confusing.
What?

Maureen St. Germain (39:26):
is karma?
Well, first of all, I'll startout by saying that karma is an
old system and there is no morekarma at this time.
So, whatever a person isexperiencing, they're attracting
it to themselves so that theycan heal it and fix it.
People have had experiences intheir life that they think they

(39:49):
were the victim, but in factthey wanted to heal something
that happened earlier, inchildhood, and so they choose to
have that experience.
But there is no more karma.
You and I are not bound orburdened by the mistakes we made
in our youth.
We're not bound or burdened bythe mistakes we made as young

(40:10):
mothers, and that's huge to knowthat.
You know that stuff's dealtwith and anybody who's carrying
guilt.
You know there's a wonderfulmeditation called Release and
Reinvent that helps you, youknow, recreate that scenario in

(40:30):
a way that's positive.
So karma itself is an oldsystem that was created for
people to understand the systemof experiences and that if I
commit a murder in this lifetime, that I might want to be the

(40:52):
victim in the next lifetime, soI can know what it felt like to
have that experience, and tounderstand that none of this is
judged by creator as right orwrong, or good or bad.
It's an experience and it's abig challenge for people to grok
this, but I'll say a couple ofthings about it that might help.
One is when we are in 5D, wereally don't need karma anymore,

(41:18):
because we're not even going tothink of something that's
harmful or hurtful.
Out of our mouth is going tocome something that's
appropriate or sweet or kind,and it doesn't mean we don't
have free will.
It just means that half of thechoices that we have today are
gone.
You know, it's like walkinginto your favorite grocery store
and discovering that yourfavorite sneak treat isn't there

(41:42):
anymore.
And oh, by the way, you don'teven miss it, you're not even
looking for it.
So that's one thing.
The second thing is we separateit from all that is.
We separated from all that is.
So if we're part of source, weseparated from all that is in
order to expand source, to havemore experiences, because if

(42:09):
we're everything, there'snothing new.
But if we pretend that we'reseparate from source, then we
can have experiences that are ina different boundary, and so we
separate from that which isinseparable to expand the
database, to expand experience.
And finally and this is thelatest metaphor that has come

(42:32):
through, if you're a fan of asports game basketball, soccer,
football, whatever.

Sandy Kruse (42:40):
Go Bills.
Sorry, I had to say that GoBills, it's for my Buffalo Bills
fans.

Maureen St. Germain (42:50):
And are they football or basketball?
They are football, okay.
So you're watching a footballgame, but maybe it's not the
Bills, maybe they're not evenplaying, maybe it's the playoffs
, but it's another team beforethey get their chance.
So you're watching both sidesand you're saying, wow, that was
a great pass.
Oh, wow, that guy had a greattouchdown.
Oh, that was not cool, I sawthat.

(43:12):
Oh, that was not cool, I sawthat.
So you can see all of it andenjoy the show without having a
judgment that those guys are thegood guys and those guys are
the bad guys.
And that's where we're moving to.
We're moving to the place wherewe're able to observe this
reality in a way that is withoutjudgment.
And as we do that, we're movingup to 5D.

(43:35):
And the interesting thing is,5d is like being a teenager.
Teenagers generally act out, butthey often do things that are
quite mature.
And one day I was having aconversation with my mother
about this very subject and shesaid to me honey, children don't

(43:55):
grow up in a straight line.
I said what does that mean?
And she said well, when they dosomething really mature, they
usually follow it with somethingstupid.
And, you know, take that intostride.
And that's our transition to 5D.
We are not going there andstaying there.

(44:16):
We're sliding up and down, upand down, up and down.
The trajectory is at an angletowards the 5d mastery, and each
time we slide up into 5d wemight not notice, but we notice
when we slide back down to 3Dbecause it feels so wonky
compared to the yummyexperiences in 5D.

(44:38):
And so each of us has our own.
I'll call it progress that wetake to be in a higher frame of
experience.

Sandy Kruse (44:54):
I love it.
So the biggest question I thinkpeople will say and I think you
kind of answered it was how doI get these signs from?
Okay, so you kind of answeredhow you, through your app, you

(45:19):
can learn about, you know, likethe seven archangels, and why
you might call in archangelmichael.
I remember there was a a littleprayer oh gosh, you know when
you lost something, because Igrew up Catholic as well, and
you know when you lose something, you pray to St.

Maureen St. Germain (45:39):
Francis, maybe St Joseph, I can't
remember.

Sandy Kruse (45:45):
Sorry, christopher, is it?
I can't remember.
I just know there was a littleprayer and you would if you lost
something, a piece of jewelry,something that meant a lot to
you, you would say this prayerand you would find it Right.
But it's like what you'resaying You're calling upon that
angel for that purpose andyou're doing it with intent.

(46:09):
So I guess the first step wouldbe intent.
Does that make sense?

Maureen St. Germain (46:19):
Yes, absolutely Absolutely.
And sincerity, you know,willingness to try, even if
you're not a believer.
You don't have to believe toget help, and you know.
One of the things that you didask me and I never answered was
you know what is the differencebetween all these categories?
And the angels are emissariesfrom God, and so the angels are

(46:41):
primarily part of what I wouldcall the miracle scene, and so
when things are really scary orwonky or you know, you really
are stressing out to ask for amiracle and then get to know
your angels and ask specificallyfor something that you need.

(47:05):
I remember my sister telling methat she had lost a favorite
earring and she'd been in anapartment store the day before
trying on clothes and theearring was very dear to her
because it was sentimental, andshe said wait a minute, maureen
has all these angels.
I'm just going to ask Maureen'sjewelry angels to help me find

(47:29):
this, this earring.
And she had a pretty good ideathat it'd come off when she was
taking clothes on and off.
And she went out to her car inthe parking garage and it was
next to her front tire.
So, and I've had a lot of thosekinds of things happen where
there's no, uh, rationalscientific explanation.

(47:51):
There's no way that could havehappened that way, and yet it
does.
So.
The angelic kingdom, becausethey're emissaries from God.
What is their mission?
To help you remember how muchyou are loved and to know that
you are entitled to miracles,because when we leave source,

(48:11):
you know that whole big storyabout separating from that which
is inseparable.
We're all excited to go onthese big adventures, to become
a human and have theseexperiences, but once we're here
, we miss God so much that theangels are to help us remember
how much we are loved by source.

Sandy Kruse (48:34):
I love that, how much we are loved by source.
I love that.
I mean that you know thatprayer that I was telling you
about.
I lost an earring, actually,and I remembered exactly where I
lost it.
It was in my car.
I did something and it flungoff.
And it was so weird because Isearched high and low, I

(48:54):
searched in every single corner.
And then I said you know what Ijust got?
And, low, I searched in everysingle corner.
And then I said you know what?
I just got to relax, I justhave to relax.
And then I did that.
I did say that prayer a numberof times.
I said I'm not even going to goback to my car and search for
it the next morning.
Maureen, there's no explanationfor this either.

(49:16):
Like, you just can't explain it.
I went and looked exactly whereI looked the night before Exact
same spot and there it wasright in front of my eyes.
I'm like it couldn't have, likeI didn't drive the car and it
would have shifted or moved.
I closed the door and I saidI'm not doing this anymore, I'm

(49:38):
going to not look until tomorrow.
And there it was exactly whereI looked.
So how do you, you know, like,how do you explain that?
I haven't explained it.

Maureen St. Germain (49:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, when we're stressed,
we're in polarity.
You know what if I've lost it?
You know what if I've lost it?
You know how do I get alongwithout it?
Whatever it is, okay, I need it, I want to have it.
That's all polarity, becausewe're creating the antithesis

(50:07):
what if I don't find it?
But when you unhooked andsettled down and moved into a
place of harmony within you,then you were able to see it
because it was in a higherdimension.
So when it flipped off, itmeans that you were probably in
fifth dimension.
Maybe you were thinkingsomething yummy, maybe you were

(50:28):
contemplating a lovelyexperience while you're driving,
you might have seen somethingbeautiful and it puts you in a
bliss state.
In that moment, when it flipsoff, you're in 5D.
Now when you're looking, you'rein 3D.
You can't see it.
So in 5D, like Russian nestingdolls, you can see into 3D, but

(50:48):
in 3D you can't see up to 5D.
So once you calm down, it wasreadily visible.
Yeah, I had a friend who lost abeautiful ruby heirloom ring
and she'd worn it and thrown itin her dresser drawer when she
got home and the next morningshe said I better put that away
properly.

(51:09):
Couldn't find it.
Looked for three months andfinally said I guess it's lost.
Next time she opened thatdrawer it was right on top.

Sandy Kruse (51:17):
It's not a coincidence that there's a
reason these things happen.
Even prayer, maureen, like so,prayer meditation, I, you know,
I have my own views on this.
I feel like, you know, there'sprayers of desperation and then

(51:37):
there's prayers of, like yousaid, not that polarity, where
you just come to yourself andyou say, you know, whatever,
whoever you're praying to, andyou just ground, and I've had
moments like that where I'veseen things happen for the good

(52:05):
in that situation.
Yeah, I mean okay, so maybe weshould move on.
We talked about angels.
I don't know if there'sanything else you want to add
about angels, because you know alot of people have heard about
angel guides and spirit guides.
So is that kind of within thatgroup of angels?

Maureen St. Germain (52:26):
Yes, and what I want to say about the
angelic realm is angels areknown throughout history.
They are known in all theworld's major religions.
This is not just a singularphenomenon.
It's known throughout historyand it's known throughout the
ages, and there's tons ofdepictions of angels with wings.

(52:49):
What the angels tell me is thatthe wings help people
understand how they can movefrom place to place.
It doesn't mean that they'reactually using the wings to fly
or that they actually have realwings.
It's more of a way to depict anunderstanding of the capacity.

(53:10):
Lovely movie called City ofAngels with Nicolas Cage, where
he is an angel and he's given ajob and he is on the earth and
he interacts with this human andfalls in love and asked to
become a human.
It's pretty interesting whathappens.

(53:30):
So it'd be a fun watch to kindof get your arms around how
things work, because it's fairlyaccurate in the way it depicts
what happens with an angel andwhat happens with humans.
Now, because the angels areemissaries, that means that we
can call them in in droves.

(53:52):
You know, we can call them inin droves.
You know, one time I was really,really struggling with
depression and sadness and Iasked for a huge number of
angels to assist me, and whenthey came in, boy, could you

(54:15):
tell.
So what I want to say is ourrequests are limited by our
imagination.
So if you want to imagine oneangel, go for it.
If you want to imagine a housefull of angels, that's even
better.
And once you understand thatthere are many, many angels
throughout history, history, um,there's a wonderful book on

(54:43):
angels um, actually a couple ofbooks, but this one by gustav
davidson, a dictionary of angels, I keep at my desk oh, I'm
gonna get that, maureen, I'mgonna get it it's wonderful
because a lot of times peoplesay I was told that the angel
that's here is Leffia and I wantto know what that means and so

(55:05):
I can look it up.
I don't always know andsometimes the record keepers
prefer that I pull somethingtangible rather than just pull a
name out of a thin air or anexplanation of thin air, but
it's pretty powerful to call anangel by name, and this is true
in all creation.

(55:26):
And then the other angelresource I have is angels A to Z
, and that also is quiteinteresting.
So, for example, archangelMichael is known in all nine of
the world major religions, notjust Catholicism, known in the.

(55:47):
He's known in the Muslimtradition, hebrew tradition and
so on.
You know, you start putting allthat together and you realize,
oh yeah, these guys really areemissaries from source.
And then, if we have time, I'dlike to talk about the dragons.

Sandy Kruse (56:08):
Yes, yeah, of course we do.
But I want to ask you anotherquestion about the angels.
I'm just so fascinated with theangels, and correct me if I'm
wrong, but I have read and seenthat the more specific you get,

(56:31):
the easier it is for, I guess,correct communication with your
angels.

Maureen St. Germain (56:38):
Right or fulfillment.

Sandy Kruse (56:41):
Like it can't be.
Like, oh, tomorrow I want tohave a great day.
Okay, like you know what I mean, like y'all have a great day,
but you know if you're having,say, serious financial issues,
or if you're having issues inyour marriage or health, to
really hone in on the help thatyou are calling for.

Maureen St. Germain (57:07):
Yes, this is quite true, and it's.
It's a simple metaphor.
You know you wouldn't go to thepodiatrist if you have a back
problem.
You might go to a general tostart with, but you're going to
end up with a specialist, andthat's.
The angels are specialists.
They do have areas of expertiseand you know they will lend

(57:30):
themselves to helping you.
But when you call by name andthis is something that's very
important when we call by nameand this is something that's
very important when we call byname anything, whether I call
you Sandy or whether I call anArchangel Michael saying the
name creates resonance and itcalls them in, it causes them to

(57:53):
show up.
And it's no different than whenyou're at a party and someone
else is talking to a friend andthey say oh yeah, sandy's really
got it down.
I was asking her about blah,blah, blah.
And the next thing you knowyou're standing next to them and
saying did I hear my name?
Did you mention me, and why?
Because you're drawn to hearingto someone saying your name.

(58:17):
It's also a known fact inmysticism that when you have the
name of something, whether itspeak in a public space, in, you
know, on social- media.

Sandy Kruse (58:45):
You know it kind of opens you up, so you need to
know how to protect yourself.
You need to cleanse your energy, cleanse your aura, all of that
.
Like I mean, I do some weirdstuff, that some things I just
keep to myself because, like Isaid, I'm in this world of you

(59:05):
know, I'm in the middle, and sothere's a lot of things I feel
like I need to do and I feel Iresonate with doing it, because
I feel almost like exposed, justlike what you said.
When people know your name,people see your face, people can
kind of tap into you.

(59:26):
So it makes a lot of sense whatyou're saying.

Maureen St. Germain (59:30):
These things are very important.

Sandy Kruse (59:32):
So how do we know if our angels are listening to
us?
How do we know things happen?

Maureen St. Germain (59:38):
from my vantage point.
They never don't know like amom who isn't listening in on
her children, but she knows.
She knows when they've beensneaking a snack and aren't
going to eat their dinner, sheknows when they haven't done
their homework, like that.
On the other hand, if we arethis is very interesting If we

(01:00:05):
are demanding or expectingwithout asking, we won't get the
kind of response we want.
We are showing respect byasking and not expecting.
And I'll tell you a funny story.
I work with the elementalkingdom as well the gnomes, the
fairies and the elves.
These are the earth elementals.

(01:00:27):
And I had a garden in the backof my house.
It was all landscape, but I wastraveling so much it was
getting loaded with quack, grassand weeds and stuff.
And I came out to my backyardand I was talking to the

(01:00:52):
elementals and I said you know,this place looks terrible.
Like you would talk to a teenat your room looks terrible.
I thought you guys were going tohelp me and without even
thinking, I then said I reallywish I could hear you.
And that was the first time Iheard them speak to me and they
said no, you never asked us.

(01:01:13):
And I said, yes, I did no, younever asked us.
And I said yes, I did.
When I did the bulbs and we putin the dolomite and I blessed
the bulbs and we put in over 100tulips, and this gnome said oh

(01:01:33):
no, you expected us to help you.
Now, at that moment I knew thatthis conversation in my head was
not made up, because I wouldnever talk to myself that way.
I swallowed hard and said if Iask you, would you help me?
And he said if we help you,will you still come out here all

(01:01:54):
the time?
If we help you, will you stillcome out here all the time?
I then bought furniture for theback patio so that I could come
out there all the time and takemy meals and such.
So there is a form ofcommunication that can be
developed and in my case it wasspontaneous.

Sandy Kruse (01:02:09):
And when I asked how that occurred, I was told
that because I had been doingthis chant called Mantras for
Ascension, also on the app,every day for over a year, it
opened up my channel to connectwith the elemental kingdom oh,
we're gonna have to get intomore where I I can't not have

(01:02:30):
the dragon conversation with you, but I feel like our
conversations, like we're gonnahave to record again on like
fairies and gnomes, really likethere's so much I don't know,
but the dragons I've heard youspeak about the dragons a few
times now, so maybe get intothat, because I know that's an

(01:02:58):
important part of thisconversation today.

Maureen St. Germain (01:03:00):
Okay, so the dragons are fourth
dimensional beings.
They do have free will.
Even though they're elemental,they are not on a I'll call it
ascension trajectory like humansare.
They were chased out of thereality by the church in a
certain time period, when thechurch was starting to um,

(01:03:24):
modify the truth or modify thestories that people were hearing
, modify the information in theBible, and so the dragons were
chased out.
Because dragons are all aboutclarity.
They're about telling not onlytelling the truth, but making
way for the information to flowfreely.

(01:03:46):
And now that humanity is on atrack to explore the true nature
of humanity, the true nature ofhuman life, they're back to
help us find our way.
And because they're back tohelp us find our way, they're
actually good with directions,and that's why I call them in

(01:04:07):
when I'm driving.
But I also call them in whenI'm writing.
They are very good to connectyou with the right book agent or
the right book company ifyou're writing a book.
And because they're all aboutclarity, they will help you see
what you might not have seenotherwise, and that's what makes

(01:04:28):
them so remarkable.
Everybody can have a dragon ortwo or more.
Um, on the app there's ameditation is called inner
dragons, and we've had somepretty powerful experiences with
people.
So I think the dragons arereally special and they came in

(01:04:49):
right around 2012 to helphumanity as we segue into the
next cycle, so that we can seewhen we're being told the truth
and when we're not.

(01:05:09):
So we can see when we're beingtold the truth and when we're
not.
Unfortunately, in our currentreality, we're being lied to a
lot and a lot is being exposed,and it's not my job to point to
what that might be.
My job is to have people getthat connection so strong that

(01:05:30):
they can feel and know what theyneed to know in a timely
fashion, and the dragons willhelp you understand, because a
lot of things that are beingrevealed today or will be
revealed today might cause whatI call cognitive dissonance, and

(01:05:53):
cognitive dissonance is a termthat means I can't wrap my brain
around that idea.
So, for example, if you neverhad any experience with people
talking about ETs and thensuddenly there's an ET ship in

(01:06:14):
your backyard and these friendlyaliens get out, you might pass
out because you'd be so out ofsync with you know your belief
system didn't permit that to betrue.
Your belief system didn'tpermit that to be true.
So the angels can help us withthe revelations that are coming

(01:06:35):
and help us to begin tounderstand that the world we
thought we were living in is notthe world we live in, and a
funny movie that kind ofunderscores this is a movie
called the Gods Must Be Crazy.
Have you ever seen this?

Sandy Kruse (01:06:52):
I've heard of it.
I don't think.

Maureen St. Germain (01:06:54):
I've seen it, though.
It's quite remarkable, and itstarts in a village in Africa
and somebody throws a Cokebottle out the window and the
whole thing is prettyinteresting Out out the window

(01:07:14):
of an airplane.
I should say they don't havecoke bottles in this village, so
they don't know what it is, andthat's why the movie's called
the gods must be crazy, becausethey think the god sent, sent
this thing.

Sandy Kruse (01:07:26):
Oh, okay, okay, Interesting.
So then, angels, we would callour angels more for miracles and
their specific angels to callupon Dragons more for clarity,
information, to help you seewhat you might not see.

(01:07:48):
So it's interesting.
I'm starting a new podcast, bythe way.
It's called Think About it.
A second one or a replacement.
A second one.
A second one, wow, it's a shortform because and this is what I
mean like I'm going to have tocall upon my dragons, because
it's called Think About it andthe title is Think About it

(01:08:14):
what's Real in Wellness?
Because that's my area ofinterest, that I've been working
in for many, many years and I'mseeing so many things.
Maureen and I'm like people aremore confused than ever, and so
it's just, it's not me tellingyou how you must think, it's me

(01:08:35):
just saying, hey, think aboutthis.
Think about it, because ifyou're not in the industry, you
might not think about it and itmight not be in your best
interest.
So I feel like I'm going toneed to channel my dragons, so I
feel like I'm going to need tochannel my dragons.

Maureen St. Germain (01:08:49):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea and I
also think that the podcast isbrilliant because, you're
absolutely right, many peopletrust, and have trusted, the
professionals, because that'swhat we were taught to do, and

(01:09:10):
we are now beginning to see thatthe professionals have been
compromised, and not all in amalicious way.
Maybe they were given falseinformation.

Sandy Kruse (01:09:25):
It's a very interesting time because,
honestly, before I never noticedit until last year, maureen.
Last year I'd be like, oh mygosh, that felt icky, like I
could feel it, and it felt ickyand I'm like that's not right.
Or that felt icky, and itwasn't what I would consider a

(01:09:49):
trigger.
You know how triggers aremoments of self-reflection.
It was more of a, like an ickyfeeling.
It just didn't feel right.
And then, all of a sudden, forsome reason, people are
volunteering to give me all thisinformation and I'm like, oh my
gosh, what do I do with this?

(01:10:09):
And it's not about tearing down, it's about building new,
building new, building more I'mgoing to say enlightenment,
building more integrity,authenticity.
And it happens.
I'm sure you see it, maureen,it happens in the spiritual

(01:10:30):
world.
I mean, I've had people comeand tell me some things that are
really kind of sad, becausethere's trust, like you said,
and then all of a sudden, thattrust has been compromised and
it's like, how you know, a lotof people feel like they've been

(01:10:50):
had so yeah, it's yeah.

Maureen St. Germain (01:10:58):
Stepping up to own your power and your
responsibility is a big job, andso it's easy to trust someone
that you think has already donethe work.

Sandy Kruse (01:11:09):
Yeah, okay, so I can't again.
Oh my God, we're you know what.
It's okay, as long as you don'thave another appointment.
I just have to ask you anotherquestion Animal or spirit
animals?
Is this such a thing?
Or spirit animals?
Is this such a thing?

(01:11:29):
And the reason I'm asking thisis that for many years in our
backyard we had a cardinalcouple Maybe it wasn't the same
couple, who knows, how would Iidentify that and they came

(01:11:50):
every year and they would builda nest and sometimes the eggs
would make it.
Sometimes they wouldn't becausethe raccoons, but they would
come every spring and theyhaven't come in a few years and
I feel like something's missing,because I miss having these
cardinals in my backyard and Ialways feel like there's some
sort of a messenger or something.

(01:12:11):
Is that just crazy to thinkthat, or does that make sense?

Maureen St. Germain (01:12:16):
I don't think it's crazy.
Wherever we live, we willattract the animals that have
something important to show usor tell us have something
important to show us or tell us.
So you know, as if you look upthe meaning of cardinals, you
might get some additionalinsights, and the fact that it

(01:12:37):
was a cardinal couple and theybuilt a family to me that's
really a strong indication oftheir recognizing how safe it
was in your backyard to havethis temporary home to raise

(01:12:58):
their little bird family.
Many times people see a hawk orthey'll see you know some
unusual bird, but native to thearea they live in, and then they
look it up and they discoverwhat that messenger means.

(01:13:20):
It is also possible for animalsto be the messenger of other
information from outside of theanimal kingdom.
So we see that a little bit too.
Animals do not have free will.
Even if you think your cat isdisobeying you, they don't have

(01:13:41):
free will.
They're just following theirinstincts.
So they're not on the same kindof path we are.

Sandy Kruse (01:13:50):
Do you think that because I know I've read this
many times people that we'velost on this plane in this life,
their spirit can come throughan?

Maureen St. Germain (01:14:05):
animal An animal.
It's possible, but it's veryunlikely, really, because the
vibration of an animal is not asevolved.
So if a person has the abilityto come back, they're not going
to choose a lower vibrationvehicle.
You see, yeah, I do.
They're more likely to share abody with another human than

(01:14:26):
they are to move into an animal.
There are a few exceptions.
I had one person that I workedwith that she had a large dog
and the dog would have been herson if she had had children, but
she didn't.
So it was a very different kindof interaction with the dog.
But most of the time theanimals are coming in from the

(01:14:47):
animal kingdom and they do havegroup souls, so they're part of
a bigger system.
There are also some animalsthat come back to the humans
that they worked with.
It's very curious, but there'snow examples of people.
Maybe they had a horse and andthey now they have a dog and the

(01:15:17):
dog trots like a horse.
Curious things like that helpsyou know that the spirit of the
animal that you developed arelationship with could come
back in a different kind ofanimal, and there's a number of
cases like that.
Animals definitely haveconsciousness and they do have a
desire to interact with humans.
So there's a lot going on thereand the animal kingdom itself

(01:15:42):
is evolving up.
So the likelihood ofcommunication between humans and
animals is much higher todaythan it was 20 years ago.
20 years ago, if you wanted toknow what your cat thought about
something, you'd have to hirean animal communicator.
Nowadays, a lot of times, youcan just tune into the animal
and you'll know what he wants orshe wants.

Sandy Kruse (01:16:03):
So if I'm, if I'm, let's say, I usually try and
walk every single day, walk mydog in nature, always without
headphones, always because Ijust want to be present.
And so you're saying that it ispossible that there's some sort
of a message if, let's say, agroup of cardinals all of a

(01:16:26):
sudden flock right where I'mwalking, like that's not a
normal thing to happen.
Or if, you know, you see afeather in a really odd place,
where you're like, because Ialways, I always look for signs
like tell me a feather meanssomething, maureen, please,

(01:16:47):
because I always love, like Ialways love to find feathers in
an unusual place.

Maureen St. Germain (01:16:55):
Well, first of all, a feather is a sign,
and it could even be an angelicsign.

Sandy Kruse (01:17:17):
always take it as a confirmation of what is being
thought about or discussed atthe time.

Maureen St. Germain (01:17:21):
Yeah, yeah, so that would.
That would underscore whatyou're saying that you're
getting feathers to confirmsomething, or to give you an
attagirl, or to encourage you tohave hope in a situation that
may seem that it has no hope.

Sandy Kruse (01:17:38):
Yeah, Hmm, I love that.
Maybe we'll end there, just onhope.

Maureen St. Germain (01:17:48):
I like that are just on hope.
I like that sounds good and Ilike to encourage our audience.
Make sure you ask for help andif you don't believe this part
of our podcast, then I put youto the challenge and ask for

(01:18:09):
something that is specific,that's understandable to you.
It doesn't have to beunderstandable to anybody else.
Ask for a sign if the angelsare real and see what happens.

Sandy Kruse (01:18:23):
And don't take it as just a mere coincidence.
You have to believe.

Maureen St. Germain (01:18:30):
Well, if you take it as a coincidence,
then you got to do it again yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Sandy Kruse (01:18:38):
Um, okay, and I'm gonna say go to the app store,
download illuminate.
This is maureen's app.
That will get you to some ofthese meditations that we talked
about.
You'll have an understanding ofthe angels and check out saint

(01:18:59):
mystery.
No, saint germain mysteryschoolcom, right I will have the
links.
Yeah, the links will be in theshow notes and anything else.
Maureen, just to close off.
Maybe we're going to have torecord again this year a little
later.

Maureen St. Germain (01:19:21):
This year is going to be full of big
changes for all of us, and whatI can tell you is, when you're
faced with a big change and youdon't want to do it, that's okay
.
But then ask your angels, andGod just say look, I don't think
I'm supposed to do this, Idon't want to do it.
But if I'm supposed to do it,give me a sign, make it easy for

(01:19:43):
me to see.
And a little trick that I dosometimes is when I really don't
want to do it but I think I'msupposed to.
I'll ask the Ascended Master,el Morya, who's on the ray of
the will of God would you put aboulder in my path?
If I'm not supposed to do this,that way I have a good excuse.
If some big boulder comes along, I can get through it.

Sandy Kruse (01:20:07):
Aw, thank you so much, maureen.
I love chatting with you and Ihope to talk to you again soon.
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