September 21, 2022 • 42 mins
This week, we're celebrating our one year podcast-iversary & making some big announcements! We're looking back on the experience of our first year of podcasting, including our favorite things about doing the podcast, our favorite guests, the biggest surprises, what we've learned, our biggest struggles, and what we're looking forward for the year to come. This is a really fun, casual episode that we had so much fun recording!
Plus, we've got big podcast news! Starting this week, we're switching to an every-other-week release schedule, for one thing. But we're also opening up our online community, The Satisfaction Space! Enrollment opens to the waitlist today, and will open to the public on 9/28 (one week later). But you can still join the waitlist & be one of the first to join by clicking here!
You can stay up to date on all things Satisfaction Factor by following us on Instagram @satisfactionfactorpod!
Here's where to find us:
Sadie Simpson: www.sadiesimpson.com or IG @sadiemsimpson
Naomi Katz: www.happyshapes.co or IG @happyshapesnaomi
Full episode transcript available at satisfactionfactorpod.com.
Stay in touch with the pod on IG @satisfactionfactorpod!
And here's where you can continue to find us:
Sadie Simpson: www.sadiesimpson.com or IG @sadiemsimpson
Naomi Katz: www.happyshapes.co or IG @happyshapesnaomi
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Naomi Katz (00:03):
Welcome to Satisfaction Factor, the podcast
where we explore how ditchingdiet culture makes our whole
lives more satisfying.
Welcome back to SatisfactionFactor. I'm Naomi Katz, an
Intuitive Eating, body image,and self trust coach.
Sadie Simpson (00:25):
I'm Sadie Simpson, a group fitness
instructor, personal trainer,and Intuitive Eating counselor.
This week marks a very specialSatisfaction Factor episode for
Naomi Katz (00:37):
oh my god, I love that that sounds like it's an
after school special, veryspecial episode of satisfaction
factor. Well, it
Sadie Simpson (00:45):
is very special because it's our one year
podcast aversary. Sound effectsgo in here. I don't know if I
can even figure out how to dothat when editing this. But
anyway, it's hard to believethat we have been going at this
thing for a whole entire year.
Naomi Katz (01:06):
Yeah, it blows my mind.
Sadie Simpson (01:11):
I mean, we have been releasing a new episode
every single week for the last52 weeks. And I am just really
proud of us. So goatee.
Naomi Katz (01:20):
Yeah, I'm really proud of us too. Good job,
Sadie.
Sadie Simpson (01:24):
Yeah. Good job, Naomi. So for this special
anniversary episode, we wantedto do something just a little
bit different. Instead of havinga topic like we normally have
specifically about intuitiveeating or body image or
movement, and exercise, we aregoing to do a year in review. So
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we're not only going to talkabout what it's been like for us
to host and produce and write,and edit and market and learn
how to make a podcast. But we'realso going to share more about
some exciting changes we've gotcoming up in the second year of
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the satisfaction factor.
Naomi Katz (02:06):
Yeah, it's exciting.
It's all really good, excitingstuff for sure. Yes, yes. So
starting today, with our 52ndepisode, we are going to be
shifting into an every otherweek podcast release schedule.
We have been cranking out newepisodes every single week for
the last year. And we've decidedthat going into the second year,
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we need to make some shifts, sothat we can create more time and
energy for doing something thatis of high value for both of us.
And something we're reallyexcited about building a
satisfaction factor podcastcommunity,
Sadie Simpson (02:48):
yay community.
Naomi Katz (02:53):
For the last year, we've been mostly talking to
each other with a couple ofamazing guests coming on the
podcast to and that's beengreat. We definitely love
talking to each other. And wewant to talk to you too. We want
to extend this conversationbeyond just the two of us
talking to each other every weekand really open it up to create
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a space for others to join in aswell.
Sadie Simpson (03:18):
Yeah, so what exactly does this mean, you
might be wondering out there inpodcast land. For starters,
there won't be a new episoderelease next Wednesday, the next
episode will come out on October5. Of course, we have an entire
year's worth of past episodes,you can always go back and
listen to maybe for the firsttime if you're new around here
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or to re listen to if you need alittle refresher from the last
year. So again, the next episodewill be out on Wednesday,
October 5 2022. And as far ascreating a community and
extending this conversation,let's talk a little bit about
what that looks like. Yeah.
Naomi Katz (04:02):
In addition to our free podcast episodes, every
other week, we are going to bereleasing some very fun bonus
content within our newsatisfaction factor community
which we're calling thissatisfaction space. Yes.
Sadie Simpson (04:18):
So the satisfaction space is a brand
new online community that we'reopening up to invite you the
listeners to dive deeper intothe work of disengaging from
diet culture, with us and withother people.
Naomi Katz (04:33):
Yeah, so we talk pretty often on here about the
importance of building communityin a way that's in alignment
with our values. But that alsocan sometimes be really hard to
do in real life and wedefinitely recognize that but
the Internet can be a greatplace to meet other people who
share a similar value systemhave similar interests and are
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working towards similar goalslike ditching diet culture. I
mean, that's how we met. Right?
Yep. Thank you internet.
Sadie Simpson (05:04):
Yes. For the last few episodes, we've been talking
a little bit about thiscommunity and have mentioned the
waitlist. And if you are one ofthose people who has signed up
for the waitlist and you areready to sign up for the
satisfaction space, you can dothat. Starting today, we are
officially open for the folks onthe waitlist. And if you sign up
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early, then you get a fun prizein the mail from us.
Naomi Katz (05:31):
Everybody loves some good snail mail, right? Yeah. So
yeah, waitlist, make sure youcheck your email, because you
should have an email that willhave the link for you to be able
to sign up and sign up opens tothe public on September 28. So
that is one week from today.
Yes. So what is this community?
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Right? Like? What are what isit? I'm going to find in the
satisfaction space? Well, firstoff, it is a private virtual
community, not on Facebook.
Sadie Simpson (06:03):
Thank goodness,
Naomi Katz (06:04):
right, let's let's step away from Facebook as much
as possible. Basically, if youever find yourself listening to
the podcast and wanting to addsomething to the conversation,
or ask a question or anythinglike that, this is a place where
you can do exactly that. Which Idon't know about you. But every
time I listen to podcasts, Itotally talk to the people on
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the podcast, like I'm part ofit. And for sure, yeah, having a
space where you can actually dothat sounds really good to me.
Sadie Simpson (06:35):
Seriously, and since we're only going to be
releasing podcast every otherweek, on the off weeks, we're
going to be releasing exclusivebonus content right there in the
community. So it's like anextension of the podcast. So
that way, if you enjoy hearingus talk every week, you will
still get the opportunity to dothat within the satisfaction
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space.
Naomi Katz (06:59):
Yeah, and, you know, it's not necessarily going to be
a full podcast episode bonusevery week. But it might be
shorter bits of content, itmight be q&a Is it might be like
other different kinds of thingsthat will just help you get a
little dose of the satisfactionfactor in between episodes.
Yeah, plus, we are planning ondoing monthly hangouts within
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the space. And again, you know,that might look like different
things depending on what peoplewant. But we're thinking, live
chats with us mini groupcoaching and things like that,
that people within the spacewill have access to monthly.
Sadie Simpson (07:38):
Yeah. And something that we've kind of
tossed around that is notofficially going to be included.
But maybe down the road is maybeeven hosting some in person
events, especially if we havesome local folks who join the
satisfaction space or you know,people are down for a little
vacation to Asheville, a littlemini trip, maybe we'll have some
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in person events down the road.
Naomi Katz (08:00):
Yeah, that would be so fun, you know. And then of
course, the big thing is thatyou will have like a community
feed, where you can post yourcomments and questions and you
can get feedback from fellowcommunity members and us.
Sadie Simpson (08:14):
Yes, I love that so much. Because not only do we
get the opportunity to interactwith our listeners, but the
listeners get the chance tointeract with each other and
potentially make someconnections make some friends
like I'm really pumped aboutthis.
Naomi Katz (08:32):
Yeah, I love that part of it too. I think one of
the things that I really learnedwithin, like the nourish and
bloom courses that I run is thatpeople get a lot of benefit from
talking to each other, not justgetting feedback from
professionals but being able tohave these like parallel
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conversations with people whoare like at the same place as
them and working through thingstogether and stuff like that,
that that's a really a valuablething.
Sadie Simpson (09:03):
Yes,
Naomi Katz (09:04):
this is a paid community. It is very important
to us to make this podcastsustainable and in case you
hadn't picked up on it. It's alot of work really to run this
podcast and we want to make itfinancially accessible to people
membership to the satisfactionspace will be a $10 a month. It
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is a monthly membership that youcan cancel at any time
Sadie Simpson (09:30):
and receive some pretty low cost question and
answer sessions many coachingsessions when we have these
monthly virtual live hangsbecause up until now, you and I
have both offered one on onecoaching services whether that
intuitive eating coaching orpersonal training, which is
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pretty hot calls for that one onone high touch connection. And
we've both offered moderatelypriced group coaching programs.
And I feel like this is a greatopportunity for folks who may
have wanted a little more indepth work, and just access to
coaching and access to acommunity. This is a much more
Naomi Katz (10:14):
affordable option.
Yeah, absolutely.
Sadie Simpson (10:17):
And people ask us pretty regularly how they can
support us. This is one of theways that if you've really found
a lot of value in this podcast,and you've really enjoyed it,
you can support us by joiningthe satisfaction space.
Naomi Katz (10:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
And also get support by
Sadie Simpson (10:36):
I love it. mutual support.
Naomi Katz (10:37):
Awesome. So again, waitlist, check your emails for
that link to sign up for thesatisfaction space. And if you
are not on the waitlist, thencheck our socials on Wednesday,
September 28, for the publiclink to sign up and join as
well.
Sadie Simpson (10:57):
Yeah. All right.
So let's shift gears a littlebit. We've talked about the new
and exciting satisfaction space.
Let's do this year and review.
Let's talk a little bit aboutwhat it's been like to have a
podcast for an entire year.
Naomi Katz (11:13):
Yeah, we looked forward. Now. Let's look back.
CT, what has been your favoritething about doing this podcast
for the past year?
Sadie Simpson (11:23):
Oh, my gosh, I have a lot of favorite things.
But I think my favorite thing,honestly has just been hanging
out every week to record thishas been a fun time. And I
really enjoy having the spacefor us to candidly talk about
topics that are important toboth of us. And I just think
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it's really cool. And it's avery fun bonus that other people
also actually care about whatwe're saying. And they're
interested into digging intothese types of topics. It's just
been a really fun experience.
Naomi Katz (11:58):
Yeah, totally. I am.
I always think it was so funny.
There was one time where we kindof we had gotten ahead. And so
we had like a little break andrecording. I think we've done
like one week without talking.
And you sent me an Instagram DMthat was like I feel like I
haven't talked to you and tohear that it was very relatable
and that like consistent hangoutthing has definitely been one of
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my favorite things as well.
Sadie Simpson (12:24):
Yeah, well, it is interesting. And folks probably
don't realize this unlessthey've recorded a podcast. But
sometimes we'll go throughphases where we batch record a
couple of episodes in a week, ifwe know we're going to be out of
town or things are going to becoming up and we can't record
every week. And I don't know,it's just really interesting.
Whenever we like record two orthree episodes in a week, it
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feels like so much. But thenwhen we have these off weeks,
I'm like, Oh, who am I going totalk to this week? This is
weird. Yeah.
Naomi Katz (12:56):
Totally it Well, I think the other thing that
people probably don't know isthat, okay, so at the end of
this, we might have an episodethat's anywhere from like, 40
minutes to an hour, but weusually are talking to each
other for at least two hours.
Which reminds me of like when Iwas in high school, and I'm like
marathon phone calls?
Sadie Simpson (13:19):
Oh my gosh, yes.
You know, I haven't even thoughtabout this. But this is probably
the most that I've talked to anindividual outside of my family
in like yours, like talking onthe phone to a friend. I mean,
since high school probably thisis. We're High School phone chat
buddies now.
Naomi Katz (13:38):
Yeah, I have, I have one friend who like every month
or two, we get on the phone tocatch up because she doesn't
live locally. And we'll talk forlike a couple of hours at a
time. But that's like, onceevery month or so, like all the
time so I'm totally right therewith you.
Sadie Simpson (14:00):
What about you?
What's been your favorite thingabout doing the podcast?
Honestly,
Naomi Katz (14:04):
I mean, obviously hanging out with you definitely.
But also just like all theawesome feedback we've gotten
from folks who listen, like, Iespecially have really, really
loved hearing from, like thelocal community and local
professionals who like actuallyrefer their clients to us as a
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resource, which like blows mymind a little bit. Yeah, that
that has been really, reallycool. Both because I mean, it
feels awesome to like have thatkind of feedback, but also
because it's kind of opened somedoors to having more community
locally around this stuff,meeting more locals than maybe I
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knew before we started thispodcast and stuff and so that's
been really cool.
Sadie Simpson (14:49):
Yeah, totally agree. So who has been your
favorite guests? We've talked toyou over the last year.
Naomi Katz (14:56):
Um, there is no chance in hell But I can pick a
single. I have genuinely lovedevery single person we've gotten
to talk to. I think mostly I'vereally, really loved getting to
like, quote unquote, meet someof my internet acquaintances and
friends, like outside ofInstagram for like a full length
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conversation, not just likelittle DMS here and there and
stuff like that. It's beenreally cool to like actually get
to really fully interact withpeople that I've known online
for quite some time at thispoint.
Sadie Simpson (15:35):
Yeah, totally agree. I don't think I could
pick just one. Because it hasbeen really cool to meet people,
even though it's been via zoom.
But I consider that to bemeeting someone. People that we
have known on the internet for along time and just have like a
for real conversation. It'svery, very, very nice to be able
to do that.
Naomi Katz (15:56):
Yeah, totally. Just like that face to face
interaction is like a totallydifferent thing, even if it's
through a computer screen. Yes.
What would you say is thebiggest thing that has surprised
you about doing this podcast forthe past year.
Sadie Simpson (16:13):
So I think I have two things. One, you already
mentioned this earlier. But theresponse from our local
community has been reallysurprising to me, some local
therapists, and nutritionists,and dietitians and pry other
practitioners of differentfields. That's just been really
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surprising to me, specifically,local Asheville providers, but
even other folks throughout thestate and even throughout the
country that have used us as aresource. Like, that's just been
really surprising and reallycool. But the other surprise, is
the whole editing aspect of thispodcast, there's been lots of
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surprises in that one, I wassurprised that I like really
liked it. So there are for sure,some weeks when I'm like, I have
to sit down and do this. BecauseI mean, it's a job, it is a task
for sure. But then when I getstarted and get in there and
start working on it, I feel likeI really like it, because it
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makes me focus on just onething, and not get distracted by
my phone or by the TV or by justall the other things. And it
just feels really good for mybrain to focus on one thing for
a little while. And I reallylike that. And that surprises me
Naomi Katz (17:35):
who loves that it feels good for your brain.
Sadie Simpson (17:39):
It is good for my brain.
Naomi Katz (17:40):
Well, I personally am very, very grateful that you
actually like doing the audioediting because I cannot
Speaking of things that feelgood for your brain, it does not
feel good for my brain. I havetried doing some audio editing
for like a very short littlethings that barely needed any
editing, honestly. And I thoughtmy brain was gonna break. cannot
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do it. So I am extraordinarilygrateful for you.
Sadie Simpson (18:11):
Awesome, well, I'm happy to do it. What's been
the biggest surprise for you,
Naomi Katz (18:15):
other than the fact that people actually listened to
us, because I feel like that'spart of it. But how much work
this is honestly. Like,obviously, I knew there was
going to be work. I mean, evenjust when we were planning this,
how much work went into, likegetting off the ground, and like
how much research we had to dobefore we started. So like, I
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obviously had like some ideathat this was going to be work.
But I don't think I reallyunderstood how much goes into
podcasts behind the scenes tomake them sound good to keep
them consistent to promote them.
To make them accessible withtranscripts, we use an auto
transcription service, and itdoes like a decent job, but it
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still needs to be edited. Andlike just editing that
transcript takes like hours. Ithink that's been a surprise.
For me. It's just like the sheeramount of time and work that
goes in behind the scenes ofpodcasts. And like now, every
time I'm listening to a podcast,like I can't help but think
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about like, Oh my God, I knowhow much work went into.
Sadie Simpson (19:25):
Oh my gosh, I know, some of these bigger name
podcasts. Obviously they havepaid people that do the editing
and the marketing and thetranscripts and stuff like that.
Like we don't and it really is alot of work for two people. So
yeah,
Naomi Katz (19:41):
yeah, totally. I fully understand why that's
usually something that peoplelike as soon as they start
seeing any income from thepodcast that like the first
thing they do is startoutsourcing some of that stuff.
Yeah, like that fully makessense to me now.
Sadie Simpson (19:59):
Yes. So what's something that you've learned
over the last year?
Naomi Katz (20:06):
That I am a wordy bitch
which is a phrasing that I love.
I like I think I said that toyou at one point. Yes ago and I
made myself laugh so hard thatthat is now like officially a
personality trait that I saythat I have. It's funny, like I
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can remember in elementaryschool getting report cards that
said I talked too much. And Iguess I think I still did that.
But here we are. Here we are.
Apparently something is do notso much change. Seriously,
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though, I kind of mentioned thisvery briefly. In our episode
with Elizabeth Watkins price. Ifeel like I basically learned
that, even though I sometimesfeel like I don't know anything,
or I don't have anything new tosay, or I don't have anything to
say at all, like I actually doknow stuff and have stuff to say
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about these topics. And I thinkall in all, it's made me like a
lot more confident about how Italk about the work that we do
and the issues that we dealwith. Yeah,
Sadie Simpson (21:23):
I love that.
Naomi Katz (21:24):
What about you, what's something you've learned
Sadie Simpson (21:26):
kind of similarly, but I have learned, I
knew that I said things like,like, and um, and things like
that. That's interesting. Likethese filler words like stuff
you're aware of, whenever youtake a communications class, or
a public speaking class in highschool, or college or whatever.
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But man, you just never realizehow much you say stuff until you
edit your words on a freakingpodcast. And I haven't shared
this with you before, I've beenwaiting for the right moment to
share it. But I'll tell you thestory now. So it was probably a
month or two ago. So see there,I set it again. So I won't edit
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it out just for the sake thatyou know, we say things like so.
And like a lot. But anyway, Iwas sitting on the couch editing
this podcast a couple of monthsago. And it was one where both
of us had no less than 5 millionlikes and thumbs and sews and
things like that. And it wastowards the end, like getting
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towards the end of editing it.
You said. And just out ofnowhere, I said Naomi, don't say
that again. It taught me my kidwas sitting right beside me. And
he just thought that was thefunniest thing because I'm
sitting here listening to myheadphones. So I'm the only
person that can hear it. Nobodyelse knows what's happening. And
he just looks over at me and heknows Naomi. And from that point
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on, sometimes he'll just jump onthe couch, and like jump from
one cushion to the other andyell Naomi.
Naomi Katz (23:15):
This is one of my favorite stories, time.
Sadie Simpson (23:22):
Oh my god. But in all seriousness, overall, like
learning how to make a podcasthas been a huge learning
experience in and of itself. Weare both self taught here. I
know you did a little mini emailsubscription course of like how
to do a podcast. But both of ushave mostly just basically learn
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by Googling, looking up stuff onYouTube, and just figuring this
stuff out on the fly. And I feellike we have learned a lot of
valuable technical skills andcommunication skills throughout
this whole entire process. Yeah,
Naomi Katz (24:03):
I could not agree more like, honestly, even just
the whole experience of kind offiguring it out on the fly and
like not like Yeah, I did join,like community that was supposed
to teach me how to do podcasts.
And it did not teach meanything. So like I don't really
feel like I learned how to do itfrom that I really feel like it
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was entirely just researchingand winging it and like trial
and error and stuff like that.
And like Yeah, I think we'velearned a lot of valuable
technical and communicationskills. I also feel like there's
something there about just ourinherent capability. And like
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how we are able to just figureour way through things. It's
like we don't need somebody totell us how to do it. We can
just figure it out and make itwork and like that feels like a
really cool will exercise andlesson within this also,
Sadie Simpson (25:04):
oh my gosh, you're kind of bringing tears to
my eyes because I feel like allof what you just said is a huge
metaphor for what this podcastis all about anyway, like this
inherently knowing and figuringit out and researching and trial
and error and seeing what worksand what doesn't work. Like.
That's just what it's all aboutanyway, and the production of
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this podcast is a perfectexample of that. Yeah,
absolutely.
Naomi Katz (25:29):
And I can't help but wonder then the fact that we
even did this podcast is like ademonstration of like, I don't
know that I would be here doingthis with you if I hadn't done
all the work to ditch dietingand diet culture, and like all
of that stuff to like that doingall of that work. Made it to
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where I felt confident enoughand capable enough to undertake
this in the first place.
Sadie Simpson (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Naomi Katz (26:00):
Do you feel like that too?
Sadie Simpson (26:01):
Yeah, for sure.
I'm scared to say, and you arealready bitch, and you need an
outlet to get your?
Naomi Katz (26:11):
I mean, yes. But here's the thing. I accept
myself. Am a wordy bitch, and Iam fine with that. I accept it.
I know myself. I don't feel likeI need to change it.
Sadie Simpson (26:28):
Yes.
Naomi Katz (26:29):
What about struggles? What do you feel like
has been the biggest strugglefor you?
Sadie Simpson (26:34):
I think my biggest struggle has just been
this constant feeling of nevergetting caught up. Which I think
that's also pretty reflective ofjust life in my
Naomi Katz (26:45):
God. Yes. Oh, yes.
Sadie Simpson (26:49):
Like, personally, and you know, this about me, and
probably a lot of the folks whoare listening to this, by this
point, know this about me, Ilike to get ahead of things I
like for things to be plannedand organized. And I like to
have the time to mindfullycreate social media posts and
just get stuff done sort ofahead of time versus feeling oh,
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crap, I need to get this done. Ineed to check this box so we can
move on to the next thing. SoI'm excited for this shift into
every other week, because Ithink this is going to create
some space for us. To one notfeel like we're just constantly
like chasing this hamster wheeland getting caught up. But it
will give us some time to focuson things like marketing and
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just other outlets to helppromote the podcast a little
more. Yeah, totally.
Naomi Katz (27:39):
Oh, my God, just the life of a content creator,
right, like, that's because Itotally feel like I have been on
that hamster wheel for like along time. And especially
because I am not a planner, I'mdefinitely more of a like,
winging it by the seat of mypants type of a person, even
when it comes to like contentcreation and stuff like that.
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But in the past, I haven't hadthe strictest schedule about it.
It's one thing to have like,Okay, this is when I'm launching
a thing like a few times a yearand like also I have open
enrollment for this thing. And Iused to talk about that
regularly. And it like justbigger things like that. It's
another thing to have like,every single week, we have this
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thing that needs these specificthings and like trying to like
wing that is a lot harder. Andjust it definitely feels a lot
more like you're chasingsomething.
Sadie Simpson (28:35):
Yes, for sure.
What about you? What else haveyou struggled with?
Naomi Katz (28:40):
Well, I think it's very similar, but like coming up
with ideas for episodes. Like itis so hard to think of something
new to talk about every week. Itis and you know, the thing is,
there's a million things to talkabout within this like greater
topic of diet culture andditching diet, culture and
intuitive eating and all of thatstuff. But I think that
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sometimes it's really hard tocome up with like, narrow enough
versions of it to talk about ina single podcast episode without
being redundant. And like, Idon't know, it's just it's it's
a lot to try and come up withlike, topics that work for a
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podcast episode every singleweek.
Sadie Simpson (29:27):
Yeah, yeah. Well, and just a fun little insider.
bit of information that folksprobably don't realize who are
listening to this. There havebeen many weeks where one of us
will message the other one onlike a Tuesday night when we are
recording a Wednesday sayingwhat are we talking about
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tomorrow? What is the episodegoing to be about?
Naomi Katz (29:55):
That hamster wheel?
Oh is just right up against thedeadline.
Sadie Simpson (30:00):
And that doesn't happen every week. But on
occasion it does happen.
Naomi Katz (30:05):
Definitely.
Sometimes we're like, oh, wehave all these great ideas. I
think what it really is, is whenwe haven't had an opportunity to
meet in person and plan for awhile, then like topics get away
from us. And we end up at thatlike the night before, what are
we going to talk about, but whenwe have like been able to meet
up in person and like do aplanning session, we usually
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have a couple of months ofcontent planned out after that.
So that's definitely a big partof it.
Sadie Simpson (30:35):
Have you experienced any unexpected
benefits of doing this podcastfor the last year?
Naomi Katz (30:41):
Yeah, getting to know you better? Honestly, you
know, we became friends andstarted this podcast through a
time when, like, face to faceinteractions are still pretty
sporadic. And so like, it waskind of hard to make new, real
friendships. You know, you couldmake acquaintances, and people
(31:05):
who like you even eventuallycould get to be real friends
with but like, it's just reallyhard to build a friendship when
you're not actually spendingtime together, especially not
face to face. And so kind of asa cool byproduct of this
podcast, it's given us a chanceto like, actually grow our
friendship in a more genuineway.
Sadie Simpson (31:27):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, that is cool. It's weird
to think about, like, I neverreally would have expected,
like, I know stuff about yourfamily and your pets now. And we
have learned that kind of thingfrom each other through
recording this podcast,
Naomi Katz (31:41):
totally like, and even just things about, like,
personality wise, but yeah,definitely, like families and
pets. And like the things thatare going on in your life,
today. Like just the kind ofstuff that you learn about
friends, but not if you only seethem once every few months, or
if you only connect throughInstagram, DMS or something like
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that.
Sadie Simpson (32:03):
Or, again, if you are in high school in the 90s,
and talk to them on the phone,which doesn't happen anymore.
Naomi Katz (32:10):
You know, we talk a lot about how it's hard to make
friends like real real friendsas an adult. And I wonder if
that's part of it that like,maybe when you're an adult, you
don't have as much of an outletor as much time to just like,
talk to the people that you'remaking friends with just about,
like, the shit that's going onin your life and in your day and
(32:33):
stuff like that. And like alsoabout more important stuff. But
even just like the little stuff,we just don't do that.
Sadie Simpson (32:41):
Yeah, so true.
Naomi Katz (32:42):
What about you? What kind of like unexpected benefit
do you feel like you've gottenfrom the podcast,
Sadie Simpson (32:49):
in addition to us becoming friends and hanging out
every week? A another thing thatkind of surprised me a little
bit was how often I sharespecific episodes of this
podcast with people, especiallynow, oddly enough, whenever we
started this podcast, around thesame time, I also restarted
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seeing clients one on one in apersonal training setting. And
specific episodes of thispodcast have really come up a
lot during those one on onesessions. Because sometimes when
a client brings up somethingthat's kind of adjacent or
similar to something we'vetalked about, I'm like, hey,
check out this episode, this cankind of expand this conversation
(33:31):
a little more. And then youknow, if you have any questions
about it, we can talk about itnext time. So that kind of
surprised me how often like Ishare this, specifically with
people one on one.
Naomi Katz (33:42):
Yeah, that's awesome. And I love that. And I
guess I kind of do that, too. Ifanything. What's funny is I feel
like I have clients mentionedour podcasts to me more often
than I refer them to a specificpodcast episode, which is kind
of like a funny way, but it'sstill I think, serves the same
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purpose where like, then we cantalk about
Sadie Simpson (34:04):
it. Alright, so what are you most excited about
for the next year?
Naomi Katz (34:10):
I mean, I'm excited about all of it. I'm super
excited about the satisfactionspace. I'm excited about that
community and just like seeinghow that might grow, and just
the connections that might comefrom that. And just all of that
I'm excited about starting tobring on new guests. Like I
know, we both already have likelists of people to be like
(34:32):
reaching out to for new episodesand stuff. And just like
continuing to see how thisgrows. Yeah, but about you
Sadie Simpson (34:40):
instead of saying exactly the same thing you just
said because I felt like thatwould also have been my answer.
I'm going to share a goal I havefor us in the next year. Ooh,
yes, please. And that is for usto record at least one episode
together in for So, yeah, wehave not done that yet.
Naomi Katz (35:06):
Um, I think that's an awesome goal and would be
super fun to actually do.
Sadie Simpson (35:11):
So maybe if I say it here, we'll actually do it at
some point someday.
Naomi Katz (35:17):
Totally. It's like it's on both of our radar now as
like something to plan for. So,yeah, I can actually make it
happen. Awesome. I love that.
Well, it's been a pretty awesomeyear all.
Sadie Simpson (35:31):
It really has been. We've done a lot of cool
things over the last year. Giveus we totally
Naomi Katz (35:37):
have go us. And of course, thank all of you for
being here with us for this yearfor listening for sending us
your feedback for sending uspodcast topics when we're
stumped. For all of thosethings. We have really really
loved sharing this space withyou. And we really look forward
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to sharing the satisfactionspace with you.
Sadie Simpson (36:02):
Yes. All right, Naomi. What's satisfying for you
right now.
Naomi Katz (36:08):
So I'm not sure if I've mentioned this on the
podcast before. I'm a huge NeilGaiman fan. And in particular, I
am a huge fan of his comic bookseries, The Sandman. Like, I
have four tattoos, and two ofthem are related to the Sandman
comic book series. So like, justto give you an idea of how
(36:28):
seriously I take this. And theyjust released the first season
of The Sandman series onNetflix. This is a thing that
has literally been in the worksfor like 30 years, I think,
because it's so loved. And Ithink because Neil Gaiman
(36:50):
himself, like really loves thiscontent so much, and all of that
it's always been like start,stop, start stop, like artistic
differences, like all thesereasons why it hasn't been able
to move forward. And so theyfinally did it. And Neil Gaiman
has been like super, superinvolved, and like every aspect
(37:11):
of it. And I have to say, I waslike, really nervous. I was
like, incredibly excited aboutit. But I was also so nervous
about it, because I like,cherish and love this content so
much that like, I was afraid itwasn't going to live up to my
love for it. It is amasterpiece. I have never in my
(37:37):
life seen such a perfectrepresentation of what the
written content is very true tothe story. But it's also been
updated in places and like, itjust the casting is like super
inclusive, which really goeswith the story. Like, you know,
(37:58):
the story came out in the late80s, early 90s. So it wasn't, I
mean, honestly, for the time, itwas probably pretty inclusive,
but like, even more so now toreally reflect so like it's,
it's what it would be if it waswritten today, kind of if that
makes sense. Yeah, I've loved itso much that I actually did not
(38:21):
binge watch it. Like I loved itso much that I only allowed
myself to watch an episode ortwo at a time.
Sadie Simpson (38:28):
So that is some restraint there,
Naomi Katz (38:31):
right so that I could like savor it and draw it
out. And I finally finished it,and I just Oh my god, I have
definitely been a wordy bitchabout explaining this, but it's
just because I'm like,overwhelmed with how amazing it
was.
Sadie Simpson (38:45):
Oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to check it out.
Naomi Katz (38:48):
Highly recommend, for that matter, highly
recommend the comic book seriesbecause it is friggin fantastic.
But if you're not into that, theagain like the Netflix series is
like real true to the graphicnovel series. So
Sadie Simpson (39:04):
nice.
Naomi Katz (39:06):
What about you what's satisfying for you?
Sadie Simpson (39:08):
So when I was in high school, one summer, my
sisters and I got really, reallyinto Dance Dance Revolution.
Like we went to Gamestop and webought a used PlayStation and
the dance pads. And we spentliterally like all summer every
day all day playing this dancerevolution. And then like back
(39:32):
in the day to that's when it wasreally big and they would have
the setups and arcades at themall and places like that.
Sometimes we would go to themall and play it but we were
never like the pros you wouldsee at the mall. We were just
there for casual fun. And Ihadn't thought about Dance Dance
Revolution. I don't know like1213 1415 years however long ago
(39:53):
it was when it was out probablylonger than that. Like maybe 20
years. I don't even know whatyear it is anymore. My kid was
watching some Cartoon and theyhad a cartoon version of some
kind of dance video game verysimilar to Dance Dance
Revolution. And he was likesuper into it. So I pulled up
some old DVR songs on YouTube.
And they have like the screencaptures of the actual game. So
(40:15):
technically you can kind of playalong with it. through YouTube,
you're not earning points oranything. You can do the dance
dance with other YouTube. And mykid is super into it. I'm now
super really into it. And wehave been playing fake Dave's
Dave's revolution on YouTubeevery day for like the last two
(40:37):
weeks. So much so that we'regonna go find it. I know that
the retro arcade in Nashvillehas it my sister my older sister
said places like Chucky Cheesemight have it but uh, but yeah,
we gotta go find a some reallife Dance Dance Revolution to
expose my five year old to very,very soon.
Naomi Katz (40:58):
I think this is the coolest thing ever. Also, I had
the like privilege of seeingSadie teach and aqua Zumba class
over this past weekend. And Ifeel like the DDR skill
translated to the Zumba skill.
Sadie Simpson (41:13):
Oh my gosh, yes, that makes so much sense.
Naomi Katz (41:18):
Yes, but I think that's awesome. And also, I
really think that we should goto the retro K together and you
should teach me how to play VRbecause I've always wanted to
and then too, like, I getfrustrated too quickly and
whatever. And so I think that weshould make a DVR date.
Sadie Simpson (41:34):
Let's do it.
Naomi Katz (41:35):
Well, if you have enjoyed this podcast and you
would like to get in touch withus. First of all, I highly
recommend checking out thesatisfaction space and seeing if
that is a community that youwould like to be a part of, but
if not, you can also get intouch with us over on our
Instagram at satisfaction factorpod
Sadie Simpson (41:54):
and if you're listening in Apple or Spotify
and you would like to supportus, go ahead and leave us a
rating and review there becausethose ratings and reviews are
what helps boost us up in thepodcast ranking which allows us
to reach more people.
Naomi Katz (42:11):
It would also just be a lovely podcast birthday
present.
Sadie Simpson (42:15):
Yes it would.
Naomi Katz (42:17):
That's it for us this week. We will catch you in
two weeks.
Welcome to Satisfaction Factor, the podcast
where we explore how ditchingdiet culture makes our whole
lives more satisfying.
Welcome back to SatisfactionFactor. I'm Naomi Katz, an
Intuitive Eating, body image,and self trust coach.
Sadie Simpson (00:25):
I'm Sadie Simpson, a group fitness
instructor, personal trainer,and Intuitive Eating counselor.
This week marks a very specialSatisfaction Factor episode for
Naomi Katz (00:37):
oh my god, I love that that sounds like it's an
after school special, veryspecial episode of satisfaction
factor. Well, it
Sadie Simpson (00:45):
is very special because it's our one year
podcast aversary. Sound effectsgo in here. I don't know if I
can even figure out how to dothat when editing this. But
anyway, it's hard to believethat we have been going at this
thing for a whole entire year.
Naomi Katz (01:06):
Yeah, it blows my mind.
Sadie Simpson (01:11):
I mean, we have been releasing a new episode
every single week for the last52 weeks. And I am just really
proud of us. So goatee.
Naomi Katz (01:20):
Yeah, I'm really proud of us too. Good job,
Sadie.
Sadie Simpson (01:24):
Yeah. Good job, Naomi. So for this special
anniversary episode, we wantedto do something just a little
bit different. Instead of havinga topic like we normally have
specifically about intuitiveeating or body image or
movement, and exercise, we aregoing to do a year in review. So
(01:45):
we're not only going to talkabout what it's been like for us
to host and produce and write,and edit and market and learn
how to make a podcast. But we'realso going to share more about
some exciting changes we've gotcoming up in the second year of
(02:05):
the satisfaction factor.
Naomi Katz (02:06):
Yeah, it's exciting.
It's all really good, excitingstuff for sure. Yes, yes. So
starting today, with our 52ndepisode, we are going to be
shifting into an every otherweek podcast release schedule.
We have been cranking out newepisodes every single week for
the last year. And we've decidedthat going into the second year,
(02:30):
we need to make some shifts, sothat we can create more time and
energy for doing something thatis of high value for both of us.
And something we're reallyexcited about building a
satisfaction factor podcastcommunity,
Sadie Simpson (02:48):
yay community.
Naomi Katz (02:53):
For the last year, we've been mostly talking to
each other with a couple ofamazing guests coming on the
podcast to and that's beengreat. We definitely love
talking to each other. And wewant to talk to you too. We want
to extend this conversationbeyond just the two of us
talking to each other every weekand really open it up to create
(03:15):
a space for others to join in aswell.
Sadie Simpson (03:18):
Yeah, so what exactly does this mean, you
might be wondering out there inpodcast land. For starters,
there won't be a new episoderelease next Wednesday, the next
episode will come out on October5. Of course, we have an entire
year's worth of past episodes,you can always go back and
listen to maybe for the firsttime if you're new around here
(03:41):
or to re listen to if you need alittle refresher from the last
year. So again, the next episodewill be out on Wednesday,
October 5 2022. And as far ascreating a community and
extending this conversation,let's talk a little bit about
what that looks like. Yeah.
Naomi Katz (04:02):
In addition to our free podcast episodes, every
other week, we are going to bereleasing some very fun bonus
content within our newsatisfaction factor community
which we're calling thissatisfaction space. Yes.
Sadie Simpson (04:18):
So the satisfaction space is a brand
new online community that we'reopening up to invite you the
listeners to dive deeper intothe work of disengaging from
diet culture, with us and withother people.
Naomi Katz (04:33):
Yeah, so we talk pretty often on here about the
importance of building communityin a way that's in alignment
with our values. But that alsocan sometimes be really hard to
do in real life and wedefinitely recognize that but
the Internet can be a greatplace to meet other people who
share a similar value systemhave similar interests and are
(04:55):
working towards similar goalslike ditching diet culture. I
mean, that's how we met. Right?
Yep. Thank you internet.
Sadie Simpson (05:04):
Yes. For the last few episodes, we've been talking
a little bit about thiscommunity and have mentioned the
waitlist. And if you are one ofthose people who has signed up
for the waitlist and you areready to sign up for the
satisfaction space, you can dothat. Starting today, we are
officially open for the folks onthe waitlist. And if you sign up
(05:26):
early, then you get a fun prizein the mail from us.
Naomi Katz (05:31):
Everybody loves some good snail mail, right? Yeah. So
yeah, waitlist, make sure youcheck your email, because you
should have an email that willhave the link for you to be able
to sign up and sign up opens tothe public on September 28. So
that is one week from today.
Yes. So what is this community?
(05:52):
Right? Like? What are what isit? I'm going to find in the
satisfaction space? Well, firstoff, it is a private virtual
community, not on Facebook.
Sadie Simpson (06:03):
Thank goodness,
Naomi Katz (06:04):
right, let's let's step away from Facebook as much
as possible. Basically, if youever find yourself listening to
the podcast and wanting to addsomething to the conversation,
or ask a question or anythinglike that, this is a place where
you can do exactly that. Which Idon't know about you. But every
time I listen to podcasts, Itotally talk to the people on
(06:25):
the podcast, like I'm part ofit. And for sure, yeah, having a
space where you can actually dothat sounds really good to me.
Sadie Simpson (06:35):
Seriously, and since we're only going to be
releasing podcast every otherweek, on the off weeks, we're
going to be releasing exclusivebonus content right there in the
community. So it's like anextension of the podcast. So
that way, if you enjoy hearingus talk every week, you will
still get the opportunity to dothat within the satisfaction
(06:58):
space.
Naomi Katz (06:59):
Yeah, and, you know, it's not necessarily going to be
a full podcast episode bonusevery week. But it might be
shorter bits of content, itmight be q&a Is it might be like
other different kinds of thingsthat will just help you get a
little dose of the satisfactionfactor in between episodes.
Yeah, plus, we are planning ondoing monthly hangouts within
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the space. And again, you know,that might look like different
things depending on what peoplewant. But we're thinking, live
chats with us mini groupcoaching and things like that,
that people within the spacewill have access to monthly.
Sadie Simpson (07:38):
Yeah. And something that we've kind of
tossed around that is notofficially going to be included.
But maybe down the road is maybeeven hosting some in person
events, especially if we havesome local folks who join the
satisfaction space or you know,people are down for a little
vacation to Asheville, a littlemini trip, maybe we'll have some
(07:58):
in person events down the road.
Naomi Katz (08:00):
Yeah, that would be so fun, you know. And then of
course, the big thing is thatyou will have like a community
feed, where you can post yourcomments and questions and you
can get feedback from fellowcommunity members and us.
Sadie Simpson (08:14):
Yes, I love that so much. Because not only do we
get the opportunity to interactwith our listeners, but the
listeners get the chance tointeract with each other and
potentially make someconnections make some friends
like I'm really pumped aboutthis.
Naomi Katz (08:32):
Yeah, I love that part of it too. I think one of
the things that I really learnedwithin, like the nourish and
bloom courses that I run is thatpeople get a lot of benefit from
talking to each other, not justgetting feedback from
professionals but being able tohave these like parallel
(08:52):
conversations with people whoare like at the same place as
them and working through thingstogether and stuff like that,
that that's a really a valuablething.
Sadie Simpson (09:03):
Yes,
Naomi Katz (09:04):
this is a paid community. It is very important
to us to make this podcastsustainable and in case you
hadn't picked up on it. It's alot of work really to run this
podcast and we want to make itfinancially accessible to people
membership to the satisfactionspace will be a $10 a month. It
(09:27):
is a monthly membership that youcan cancel at any time
Sadie Simpson (09:30):
and receive some pretty low cost question and
answer sessions many coachingsessions when we have these
monthly virtual live hangsbecause up until now, you and I
have both offered one on onecoaching services whether that
intuitive eating coaching orpersonal training, which is
(09:51):
pretty hot calls for that one onone high touch connection. And
we've both offered moderatelypriced group coaching programs.
And I feel like this is a greatopportunity for folks who may
have wanted a little more indepth work, and just access to
coaching and access to acommunity. This is a much more
Naomi Katz (10:14):
affordable option.
Yeah, absolutely.
Sadie Simpson (10:17):
And people ask us pretty regularly how they can
support us. This is one of theways that if you've really found
a lot of value in this podcast,and you've really enjoyed it,
you can support us by joiningthe satisfaction space.
Naomi Katz (10:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
And also get support by
Sadie Simpson (10:36):
I love it. mutual support.
Naomi Katz (10:37):
Awesome. So again, waitlist, check your emails for
that link to sign up for thesatisfaction space. And if you
are not on the waitlist, thencheck our socials on Wednesday,
September 28, for the publiclink to sign up and join as
well.
Sadie Simpson (10:57):
Yeah. All right.
So let's shift gears a littlebit. We've talked about the new
and exciting satisfaction space.
Let's do this year and review.
Let's talk a little bit aboutwhat it's been like to have a
podcast for an entire year.
Naomi Katz (11:13):
Yeah, we looked forward. Now. Let's look back.
CT, what has been your favoritething about doing this podcast
for the past year?
Sadie Simpson (11:23):
Oh, my gosh, I have a lot of favorite things.
But I think my favorite thing,honestly has just been hanging
out every week to record thishas been a fun time. And I
really enjoy having the spacefor us to candidly talk about
topics that are important toboth of us. And I just think
(11:43):
it's really cool. And it's avery fun bonus that other people
also actually care about whatwe're saying. And they're
interested into digging intothese types of topics. It's just
been a really fun experience.
Naomi Katz (11:58):
Yeah, totally. I am.
I always think it was so funny.
There was one time where we kindof we had gotten ahead. And so
we had like a little break andrecording. I think we've done
like one week without talking.
And you sent me an Instagram DMthat was like I feel like I
haven't talked to you and tohear that it was very relatable
and that like consistent hangoutthing has definitely been one of
(12:21):
my favorite things as well.
Sadie Simpson (12:24):
Yeah, well, it is interesting. And folks probably
don't realize this unlessthey've recorded a podcast. But
sometimes we'll go throughphases where we batch record a
couple of episodes in a week, ifwe know we're going to be out of
town or things are going to becoming up and we can't record
every week. And I don't know,it's just really interesting.
Whenever we like record two orthree episodes in a week, it
(12:47):
feels like so much. But thenwhen we have these off weeks,
I'm like, Oh, who am I going totalk to this week? This is
weird. Yeah.
Naomi Katz (12:56):
Totally it Well, I think the other thing that
people probably don't know isthat, okay, so at the end of
this, we might have an episodethat's anywhere from like, 40
minutes to an hour, but weusually are talking to each
other for at least two hours.
Which reminds me of like when Iwas in high school, and I'm like
marathon phone calls?
Sadie Simpson (13:19):
Oh my gosh, yes.
You know, I haven't even thoughtabout this. But this is probably
the most that I've talked to anindividual outside of my family
in like yours, like talking onthe phone to a friend. I mean,
since high school probably thisis. We're High School phone chat
buddies now.
Naomi Katz (13:38):
Yeah, I have, I have one friend who like every month
or two, we get on the phone tocatch up because she doesn't
live locally. And we'll talk forlike a couple of hours at a
time. But that's like, onceevery month or so, like all the
time so I'm totally right therewith you.
Sadie Simpson (14:00):
What about you?
What's been your favorite thingabout doing the podcast?
Honestly,
Naomi Katz (14:04):
I mean, obviously hanging out with you definitely.
But also just like all theawesome feedback we've gotten
from folks who listen, like, Iespecially have really, really
loved hearing from, like thelocal community and local
professionals who like actuallyrefer their clients to us as a
(14:25):
resource, which like blows mymind a little bit. Yeah, that
that has been really, reallycool. Both because I mean, it
feels awesome to like have thatkind of feedback, but also
because it's kind of opened somedoors to having more community
locally around this stuff,meeting more locals than maybe I
(14:45):
knew before we started thispodcast and stuff and so that's
been really cool.
Sadie Simpson (14:49):
Yeah, totally agree. So who has been your
favorite guests? We've talked toyou over the last year.
Naomi Katz (14:56):
Um, there is no chance in hell But I can pick a
single. I have genuinely lovedevery single person we've gotten
to talk to. I think mostly I'vereally, really loved getting to
like, quote unquote, meet someof my internet acquaintances and
friends, like outside ofInstagram for like a full length
(15:21):
conversation, not just likelittle DMS here and there and
stuff like that. It's beenreally cool to like actually get
to really fully interact withpeople that I've known online
for quite some time at thispoint.
Sadie Simpson (15:35):
Yeah, totally agree. I don't think I could
pick just one. Because it hasbeen really cool to meet people,
even though it's been via zoom.
But I consider that to bemeeting someone. People that we
have known on the internet for along time and just have like a
for real conversation. It'svery, very, very nice to be able
to do that.
Naomi Katz (15:56):
Yeah, totally. Just like that face to face
interaction is like a totallydifferent thing, even if it's
through a computer screen. Yes.
What would you say is thebiggest thing that has surprised
you about doing this podcast forthe past year.
Sadie Simpson (16:13):
So I think I have two things. One, you already
mentioned this earlier. But theresponse from our local
community has been reallysurprising to me, some local
therapists, and nutritionists,and dietitians and pry other
practitioners of differentfields. That's just been really
(16:35):
surprising to me, specifically,local Asheville providers, but
even other folks throughout thestate and even throughout the
country that have used us as aresource. Like, that's just been
really surprising and reallycool. But the other surprise, is
the whole editing aspect of thispodcast, there's been lots of
(16:56):
surprises in that one, I wassurprised that I like really
liked it. So there are for sure,some weeks when I'm like, I have
to sit down and do this. BecauseI mean, it's a job, it is a task
for sure. But then when I getstarted and get in there and
start working on it, I feel likeI really like it, because it
(17:18):
makes me focus on just onething, and not get distracted by
my phone or by the TV or by justall the other things. And it
just feels really good for mybrain to focus on one thing for
a little while. And I reallylike that. And that surprises me
Naomi Katz (17:35):
who loves that it feels good for your brain.
Sadie Simpson (17:39):
It is good for my brain.
Naomi Katz (17:40):
Well, I personally am very, very grateful that you
actually like doing the audioediting because I cannot
Speaking of things that feelgood for your brain, it does not
feel good for my brain. I havetried doing some audio editing
for like a very short littlethings that barely needed any
editing, honestly. And I thoughtmy brain was gonna break. cannot
(18:06):
do it. So I am extraordinarilygrateful for you.
Sadie Simpson (18:11):
Awesome, well, I'm happy to do it. What's been
the biggest surprise for you,
Naomi Katz (18:15):
other than the fact that people actually listened to
us, because I feel like that'spart of it. But how much work
this is honestly. Like,obviously, I knew there was
going to be work. I mean, evenjust when we were planning this,
how much work went into, likegetting off the ground, and like
how much research we had to dobefore we started. So like, I
(18:36):
obviously had like some ideathat this was going to be work.
But I don't think I reallyunderstood how much goes into
podcasts behind the scenes tomake them sound good to keep
them consistent to promote them.
To make them accessible withtranscripts, we use an auto
transcription service, and itdoes like a decent job, but it
(18:57):
still needs to be edited. Andlike just editing that
transcript takes like hours. Ithink that's been a surprise.
For me. It's just like the sheeramount of time and work that
goes in behind the scenes ofpodcasts. And like now, every
time I'm listening to a podcast,like I can't help but think
(19:19):
about like, Oh my God, I knowhow much work went into.
Sadie Simpson (19:25):
Oh my gosh, I know, some of these bigger name
podcasts. Obviously they havepaid people that do the editing
and the marketing and thetranscripts and stuff like that.
Like we don't and it really is alot of work for two people. So
yeah,
Naomi Katz (19:41):
yeah, totally. I fully understand why that's
usually something that peoplelike as soon as they start
seeing any income from thepodcast that like the first
thing they do is startoutsourcing some of that stuff.
Yeah, like that fully makessense to me now.
Sadie Simpson (19:59):
Yes. So what's something that you've learned
over the last year?
Naomi Katz (20:06):
That I am a wordy bitch
which is a phrasing that I love.
I like I think I said that toyou at one point. Yes ago and I
made myself laugh so hard thatthat is now like officially a
personality trait that I saythat I have. It's funny, like I
(20:26):
can remember in elementaryschool getting report cards that
said I talked too much. And Iguess I think I still did that.
But here we are. Here we are.
Apparently something is do notso much change. Seriously,
(20:50):
though, I kind of mentioned thisvery briefly. In our episode
with Elizabeth Watkins price. Ifeel like I basically learned
that, even though I sometimesfeel like I don't know anything,
or I don't have anything new tosay, or I don't have anything to
say at all, like I actually doknow stuff and have stuff to say
(21:10):
about these topics. And I thinkall in all, it's made me like a
lot more confident about how Italk about the work that we do
and the issues that we dealwith. Yeah,
Sadie Simpson (21:23):
I love that.
Naomi Katz (21:24):
What about you, what's something you've learned
Sadie Simpson (21:26):
kind of similarly, but I have learned, I
knew that I said things like,like, and um, and things like
that. That's interesting. Likethese filler words like stuff
you're aware of, whenever youtake a communications class, or
a public speaking class in highschool, or college or whatever.
(21:47):
But man, you just never realizehow much you say stuff until you
edit your words on a freakingpodcast. And I haven't shared
this with you before, I've beenwaiting for the right moment to
share it. But I'll tell you thestory now. So it was probably a
month or two ago. So see there,I set it again. So I won't edit
(22:10):
it out just for the sake thatyou know, we say things like so.
And like a lot. But anyway, Iwas sitting on the couch editing
this podcast a couple of monthsago. And it was one where both
of us had no less than 5 millionlikes and thumbs and sews and
things like that. And it wastowards the end, like getting
(22:35):
towards the end of editing it.
You said. And just out ofnowhere, I said Naomi, don't say
that again. It taught me my kidwas sitting right beside me. And
he just thought that was thefunniest thing because I'm
sitting here listening to myheadphones. So I'm the only
person that can hear it. Nobodyelse knows what's happening. And
he just looks over at me and heknows Naomi. And from that point
(22:57):
on, sometimes he'll just jump onthe couch, and like jump from
one cushion to the other andyell Naomi.
Naomi Katz (23:15):
This is one of my favorite stories, time.
Sadie Simpson (23:22):
Oh my god. But in all seriousness, overall, like
learning how to make a podcasthas been a huge learning
experience in and of itself. Weare both self taught here. I
know you did a little mini emailsubscription course of like how
to do a podcast. But both of ushave mostly just basically learn
(23:46):
by Googling, looking up stuff onYouTube, and just figuring this
stuff out on the fly. And I feellike we have learned a lot of
valuable technical skills andcommunication skills throughout
this whole entire process. Yeah,
Naomi Katz (24:03):
I could not agree more like, honestly, even just
the whole experience of kind offiguring it out on the fly and
like not like Yeah, I did join,like community that was supposed
to teach me how to do podcasts.
And it did not teach meanything. So like I don't really
feel like I learned how to do itfrom that I really feel like it
(24:24):
was entirely just researchingand winging it and like trial
and error and stuff like that.
And like Yeah, I think we'velearned a lot of valuable
technical and communicationskills. I also feel like there's
something there about just ourinherent capability. And like
(24:47):
how we are able to just figureour way through things. It's
like we don't need somebody totell us how to do it. We can
just figure it out and make itwork and like that feels like a
really cool will exercise andlesson within this also,
Sadie Simpson (25:04):
oh my gosh, you're kind of bringing tears to
my eyes because I feel like allof what you just said is a huge
metaphor for what this podcastis all about anyway, like this
inherently knowing and figuringit out and researching and trial
and error and seeing what worksand what doesn't work. Like.
That's just what it's all aboutanyway, and the production of
(25:25):
this podcast is a perfectexample of that. Yeah,
absolutely.
Naomi Katz (25:29):
And I can't help but wonder then the fact that we
even did this podcast is like ademonstration of like, I don't
know that I would be here doingthis with you if I hadn't done
all the work to ditch dietingand diet culture, and like all
of that stuff to like that doingall of that work. Made it to
(25:51):
where I felt confident enoughand capable enough to undertake
this in the first place.
Sadie Simpson (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Naomi Katz (26:00):
Do you feel like that too?
Sadie Simpson (26:01):
Yeah, for sure.
I'm scared to say, and you arealready bitch, and you need an
outlet to get your?
Naomi Katz (26:11):
I mean, yes. But here's the thing. I accept
myself. Am a wordy bitch, and Iam fine with that. I accept it.
I know myself. I don't feel likeI need to change it.
Sadie Simpson (26:28):
Yes.
Naomi Katz (26:29):
What about struggles? What do you feel like
has been the biggest strugglefor you?
Sadie Simpson (26:34):
I think my biggest struggle has just been
this constant feeling of nevergetting caught up. Which I think
that's also pretty reflective ofjust life in my
Naomi Katz (26:45):
God. Yes. Oh, yes.
Sadie Simpson (26:49):
Like, personally, and you know, this about me, and
probably a lot of the folks whoare listening to this, by this
point, know this about me, Ilike to get ahead of things I
like for things to be plannedand organized. And I like to
have the time to mindfullycreate social media posts and
just get stuff done sort ofahead of time versus feeling oh,
(27:12):
crap, I need to get this done. Ineed to check this box so we can
move on to the next thing. SoI'm excited for this shift into
every other week, because Ithink this is going to create
some space for us. To one notfeel like we're just constantly
like chasing this hamster wheeland getting caught up. But it
will give us some time to focuson things like marketing and
(27:32):
just other outlets to helppromote the podcast a little
more. Yeah, totally.
Naomi Katz (27:39):
Oh, my God, just the life of a content creator,
right, like, that's because Itotally feel like I have been on
that hamster wheel for like along time. And especially
because I am not a planner, I'mdefinitely more of a like,
winging it by the seat of mypants type of a person, even
when it comes to like contentcreation and stuff like that.
(28:01):
But in the past, I haven't hadthe strictest schedule about it.
It's one thing to have like,Okay, this is when I'm launching
a thing like a few times a yearand like also I have open
enrollment for this thing. And Iused to talk about that
regularly. And it like justbigger things like that. It's
another thing to have like,every single week, we have this
(28:23):
thing that needs these specificthings and like trying to like
wing that is a lot harder. Andjust it definitely feels a lot
more like you're chasingsomething.
Sadie Simpson (28:35):
Yes, for sure.
What about you? What else haveyou struggled with?
Naomi Katz (28:40):
Well, I think it's very similar, but like coming up
with ideas for episodes. Like itis so hard to think of something
new to talk about every week. Itis and you know, the thing is,
there's a million things to talkabout within this like greater
topic of diet culture andditching diet, culture and
intuitive eating and all of thatstuff. But I think that
(29:01):
sometimes it's really hard tocome up with like, narrow enough
versions of it to talk about ina single podcast episode without
being redundant. And like, Idon't know, it's just it's it's
a lot to try and come up withlike, topics that work for a
(29:25):
podcast episode every singleweek.
Sadie Simpson (29:27):
Yeah, yeah. Well, and just a fun little insider.
bit of information that folksprobably don't realize who are
listening to this. There havebeen many weeks where one of us
will message the other one onlike a Tuesday night when we are
recording a Wednesday sayingwhat are we talking about
(29:51):
tomorrow? What is the episodegoing to be about?
Naomi Katz (29:55):
That hamster wheel?
Oh is just right up against thedeadline.
Sadie Simpson (30:00):
And that doesn't happen every week. But on
occasion it does happen.
Naomi Katz (30:05):
Definitely.
Sometimes we're like, oh, wehave all these great ideas. I
think what it really is, is whenwe haven't had an opportunity to
meet in person and plan for awhile, then like topics get away
from us. And we end up at thatlike the night before, what are
we going to talk about, but whenwe have like been able to meet
up in person and like do aplanning session, we usually
(30:28):
have a couple of months ofcontent planned out after that.
So that's definitely a big partof it.
Sadie Simpson (30:35):
Have you experienced any unexpected
benefits of doing this podcastfor the last year?
Naomi Katz (30:41):
Yeah, getting to know you better? Honestly, you
know, we became friends andstarted this podcast through a
time when, like, face to faceinteractions are still pretty
sporadic. And so like, it waskind of hard to make new, real
friendships. You know, you couldmake acquaintances, and people
(31:05):
who like you even eventuallycould get to be real friends
with but like, it's just reallyhard to build a friendship when
you're not actually spendingtime together, especially not
face to face. And so kind of asa cool byproduct of this
podcast, it's given us a chanceto like, actually grow our
friendship in a more genuineway.
Sadie Simpson (31:27):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, that is cool. It's weird
to think about, like, I neverreally would have expected,
like, I know stuff about yourfamily and your pets now. And we
have learned that kind of thingfrom each other through
recording this podcast,
Naomi Katz (31:41):
totally like, and even just things about, like,
personality wise, but yeah,definitely, like families and
pets. And like the things thatare going on in your life,
today. Like just the kind ofstuff that you learn about
friends, but not if you only seethem once every few months, or
if you only connect throughInstagram, DMS or something like
(32:02):
that.
Sadie Simpson (32:03):
Or, again, if you are in high school in the 90s,
and talk to them on the phone,which doesn't happen anymore.
Naomi Katz (32:10):
You know, we talk a lot about how it's hard to make
friends like real real friendsas an adult. And I wonder if
that's part of it that like,maybe when you're an adult, you
don't have as much of an outletor as much time to just like,
talk to the people that you'remaking friends with just about,
like, the shit that's going onin your life and in your day and
(32:33):
stuff like that. And like alsoabout more important stuff. But
even just like the little stuff,we just don't do that.
Sadie Simpson (32:41):
Yeah, so true.
Naomi Katz (32:42):
What about you? What kind of like unexpected benefit
do you feel like you've gottenfrom the podcast,
Sadie Simpson (32:49):
in addition to us becoming friends and hanging out
every week? A another thing thatkind of surprised me a little
bit was how often I sharespecific episodes of this
podcast with people, especiallynow, oddly enough, whenever we
started this podcast, around thesame time, I also restarted
(33:11):
seeing clients one on one in apersonal training setting. And
specific episodes of thispodcast have really come up a
lot during those one on onesessions. Because sometimes when
a client brings up somethingthat's kind of adjacent or
similar to something we'vetalked about, I'm like, hey,
check out this episode, this cankind of expand this conversation
(33:31):
a little more. And then youknow, if you have any questions
about it, we can talk about itnext time. So that kind of
surprised me how often like Ishare this, specifically with
people one on one.
Naomi Katz (33:42):
Yeah, that's awesome. And I love that. And I
guess I kind of do that, too. Ifanything. What's funny is I feel
like I have clients mentionedour podcasts to me more often
than I refer them to a specificpodcast episode, which is kind
of like a funny way, but it'sstill I think, serves the same
(34:02):
purpose where like, then we cantalk about
Sadie Simpson (34:04):
it. Alright, so what are you most excited about
for the next year?
Naomi Katz (34:10):
I mean, I'm excited about all of it. I'm super
excited about the satisfactionspace. I'm excited about that
community and just like seeinghow that might grow, and just
the connections that might comefrom that. And just all of that
I'm excited about starting tobring on new guests. Like I
know, we both already have likelists of people to be like
(34:32):
reaching out to for new episodesand stuff. And just like
continuing to see how thisgrows. Yeah, but about you
Sadie Simpson (34:40):
instead of saying exactly the same thing you just
said because I felt like thatwould also have been my answer.
I'm going to share a goal I havefor us in the next year. Ooh,
yes, please. And that is for usto record at least one episode
together in for So, yeah, wehave not done that yet.
Naomi Katz (35:06):
Um, I think that's an awesome goal and would be
super fun to actually do.
Sadie Simpson (35:11):
So maybe if I say it here, we'll actually do it at
some point someday.
Naomi Katz (35:17):
Totally. It's like it's on both of our radar now as
like something to plan for. So,yeah, I can actually make it
happen. Awesome. I love that.
Well, it's been a pretty awesomeyear all.
Sadie Simpson (35:31):
It really has been. We've done a lot of cool
things over the last year. Giveus we totally
Naomi Katz (35:37):
have go us. And of course, thank all of you for
being here with us for this yearfor listening for sending us
your feedback for sending uspodcast topics when we're
stumped. For all of thosethings. We have really really
loved sharing this space withyou. And we really look forward
(35:59):
to sharing the satisfactionspace with you.
Sadie Simpson (36:02):
Yes. All right, Naomi. What's satisfying for you
right now.
Naomi Katz (36:08):
So I'm not sure if I've mentioned this on the
podcast before. I'm a huge NeilGaiman fan. And in particular, I
am a huge fan of his comic bookseries, The Sandman. Like, I
have four tattoos, and two ofthem are related to the Sandman
comic book series. So like, justto give you an idea of how
(36:28):
seriously I take this. And theyjust released the first season
of The Sandman series onNetflix. This is a thing that
has literally been in the worksfor like 30 years, I think,
because it's so loved. And Ithink because Neil Gaiman
(36:50):
himself, like really loves thiscontent so much, and all of that
it's always been like start,stop, start stop, like artistic
differences, like all thesereasons why it hasn't been able
to move forward. And so theyfinally did it. And Neil Gaiman
has been like super, superinvolved, and like every aspect
(37:11):
of it. And I have to say, I waslike, really nervous. I was
like, incredibly excited aboutit. But I was also so nervous
about it, because I like,cherish and love this content so
much that like, I was afraid itwasn't going to live up to my
love for it. It is amasterpiece. I have never in my
(37:37):
life seen such a perfectrepresentation of what the
written content is very true tothe story. But it's also been
updated in places and like, itjust the casting is like super
inclusive, which really goeswith the story. Like, you know,
(37:58):
the story came out in the late80s, early 90s. So it wasn't, I
mean, honestly, for the time, itwas probably pretty inclusive,
but like, even more so now toreally reflect so like it's,
it's what it would be if it waswritten today, kind of if that
makes sense. Yeah, I've loved itso much that I actually did not
(38:21):
binge watch it. Like I loved itso much that I only allowed
myself to watch an episode ortwo at a time.
Sadie Simpson (38:28):
So that is some restraint there,
Naomi Katz (38:31):
right so that I could like savor it and draw it
out. And I finally finished it,and I just Oh my god, I have
definitely been a wordy bitchabout explaining this, but it's
just because I'm like,overwhelmed with how amazing it
was.
Sadie Simpson (38:45):
Oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to check it out.
Naomi Katz (38:48):
Highly recommend, for that matter, highly
recommend the comic book seriesbecause it is friggin fantastic.
But if you're not into that, theagain like the Netflix series is
like real true to the graphicnovel series. So
Sadie Simpson (39:04):
nice.
Naomi Katz (39:06):
What about you what's satisfying for you?
Sadie Simpson (39:08):
So when I was in high school, one summer, my
sisters and I got really, reallyinto Dance Dance Revolution.
Like we went to Gamestop and webought a used PlayStation and
the dance pads. And we spentliterally like all summer every
day all day playing this dancerevolution. And then like back
(39:32):
in the day to that's when it wasreally big and they would have
the setups and arcades at themall and places like that.
Sometimes we would go to themall and play it but we were
never like the pros you wouldsee at the mall. We were just
there for casual fun. And Ihadn't thought about Dance Dance
Revolution. I don't know like1213 1415 years however long ago
(39:53):
it was when it was out probablylonger than that. Like maybe 20
years. I don't even know whatyear it is anymore. My kid was
watching some Cartoon and theyhad a cartoon version of some
kind of dance video game verysimilar to Dance Dance
Revolution. And he was likesuper into it. So I pulled up
some old DVR songs on YouTube.
And they have like the screencaptures of the actual game. So
(40:15):
technically you can kind of playalong with it. through YouTube,
you're not earning points oranything. You can do the dance
dance with other YouTube. And mykid is super into it. I'm now
super really into it. And wehave been playing fake Dave's
Dave's revolution on YouTubeevery day for like the last two
(40:37):
weeks. So much so that we'regonna go find it. I know that
the retro arcade in Nashvillehas it my sister my older sister
said places like Chucky Cheesemight have it but uh, but yeah,
we gotta go find a some reallife Dance Dance Revolution to
expose my five year old to very,very soon.
Naomi Katz (40:58):
I think this is the coolest thing ever. Also, I had
the like privilege of seeingSadie teach and aqua Zumba class
over this past weekend. And Ifeel like the DDR skill
translated to the Zumba skill.
Sadie Simpson (41:13):
Oh my gosh, yes, that makes so much sense.
Naomi Katz (41:18):
Yes, but I think that's awesome. And also, I
really think that we should goto the retro K together and you
should teach me how to play VRbecause I've always wanted to
and then too, like, I getfrustrated too quickly and
whatever. And so I think that weshould make a DVR date.
Sadie Simpson (41:34):
Let's do it.
Naomi Katz (41:35):
Well, if you have enjoyed this podcast and you
would like to get in touch withus. First of all, I highly
recommend checking out thesatisfaction space and seeing if
that is a community that youwould like to be a part of, but
if not, you can also get intouch with us over on our
Instagram at satisfaction factorpod
Sadie Simpson (41:54):
and if you're listening in Apple or Spotify
and you would like to supportus, go ahead and leave us a
rating and review there becausethose ratings and reviews are
what helps boost us up in thepodcast ranking which allows us
to reach more people.
Naomi Katz (42:11):
It would also just be a lovely podcast birthday
present.
Sadie Simpson (42:15):
Yes it would.
Naomi Katz (42:17):
That's it for us this week. We will catch you in
two weeks.
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