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In this energizing episode of Security Halt!, host Deny Caballero reconnects with friend and fellow veteran Nicholas Allen for a wide-ranging conversation on the intersections of fitness, mental health, and personal development.
Together, they dive into the struggles of balancing work, education, and recovery after injury—while maintaining a disciplined training schedule. Nicholas opens up about how his mindset has evolved post-military, how nutrition and sobriety have influenced his fitness journey, and why community and accountability are crucial for long-term success.
From alcohol awareness to injury rehab, mental wellness to veteran transition stories—this episode is packed with honest reflection, tactical advice, and plenty of humor. Whether you're a veteran, athlete, or someone on the path to personal growth, you'll walk away inspired.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates
02:53 Education and Career Development
05:59 Fitness Journey and Alcohol Awareness
09:03 Overcoming Injuries and Physical Therapy
11:56 The Importance of Community and Support
15:09 Nutrition and Training Strategies
18:08 Mental Health and Self-Reflection
20:47 Navigating Transition Challenges
25:23 Building Community and Connection
30:30 The Importance of Humor and Support
35:14 Embracing the Journey of Fitness
41:51 Future Aspirations and Collaborations
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Security Odd Podcast.
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ground up to support you Notjust you, but the wider audience
, everybody.
Authentic, impactful andinsightful conversations that
serve a purpose to help you.
And the quality has gone up.
It's decent, it's hosted by me,Danny Caballero.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's decent.
It's hosted by me, dennyCaballero.
I got a bad habit of pressingpost on Instagram yeah, 0, 0, 0,
1 seconds before I go live.
And then in my ear, here it'sjust ding, ding, ding, reminding
me how stupid I am.
You're a ding, you're an, anidiot.
(00:48):
So just one more click there,then we can get sit down and be
comfortable.
How are you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
doing good man bringing loaded deck ready to go
again.
I'll be ready for this semesterto be over with, or my workload
kind of slows down for a littlebit, but I gotta, I gotta sign
up for my classes.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Jealous, you know, I'm jealous and not jealous of
you guys that are able to do theschooling and anything else all
at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You can do it you can fucking do it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, I know, I can I'm gonna, I'm gonna fucking listen
, man 180 alpha.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You right now, nicholas.
You've done harder things inlife.
You can fucking do this.
It's just scheduling.
Yeah, I can also mow my lawn.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Things in life, you can fucking do this, it's just
scheduling yeah, I can also mowmy lawn and I ain't gonna
fucking do it don't be thatdirtbag.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Like my neighbor motherfucker lives.
This shit grows like higherthan me and it's like all right,
I'll mow it.
And then he's mowing it atnight.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm like motherfucker not to get political and not to
get into um.
You're gonna laugh at this.
This is okay.
I'm being serious.
I'm serious.
I'm starting to worry aboutmario and what's going on in the
news.
He hasn't come to ask aboutmowing the lawn yet this year
(02:03):
and I don't think he was able toget back in from mexico when he
left in november.
Um, because he's been here bynow and now.
No, nobody from the family'sbeen here.
So I'm like worried about thisguy that I don't even know.
His last name another victim, Idon't know and I I doubt
(02:25):
mario's going to listen to this,but I hope you're doing all
right, dude.
I have a feeling.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Mario right now is trapped deep in the jungles of
darien gap in panama, tryingdesperately to make it back home
to guatemala I.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I hope he's doing okay.
Um, we we had a weirdrelationship because he didn't
speak English and I barely speakSpanish, so the yard was always
fucked up.
I hope he comes back.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
God willing.
Vaya con Dios, mario, whereveryou may be.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So we're interviewing for the position?
I guess is what we're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
There's an opening.
You're saying there's a spot.
You know I'm always looking forrevenue.
Wisconsin ain't that far fromme.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I can make it up there yeah, how did we get to
this conversation?
Me talking about how I'm notgoing to community college in my
in my spare eight minutes a day?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
hey, man, you can you go to some reputable schools
online sure yeah, I can do a lotof things.
I can do a lot of things if youhave the passion for it, if you
want to uh, if you want to do it, there's a lot of things.
If you have the passion for it,if you want to uh, if you want
to do it, there's a lot of dudesthat are getting into the the
same space that we're both innow, bringing in podcasting and
media and um, they're diving in.
I mean, that's one of the firstthings I did is I went to
(03:36):
Berkeley for some audio designs,uh courses and um, they weren't
too bad, definitely learned alot, but it's whatever you're
passionate for, you can find away to do it.
And vrne is great, gi bill isgreat.
I always tell people, man, ifyou're in that space and you
want to chase it down, fuckingbe willing to lean into it.
(03:59):
We got a lot of great dudes thathave a lot of insight into what
schools you need or whatschooling you could potentially
find yourself in when it comesto like new media, like audio
and video stuff.
So Cameron Cushman is a goodone.
He's been in the space for along time.
Not a soft guy.
Infantry dude Veteran madeShout out to that homie.
(04:23):
He's been in production andfilm for a long time, for a long
time air force veteran doinggreat shit, um, and his work,
like his stuff, is fucking primo.
He's been hired out and beendoing things for like nascar, so
if you're interested in that,there's way to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know I'm kind of the opportunities that are
coming from me, not being aalcoholic are starting to
present themselves.
You didn't think I was going tosay that, did you?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
no, but that's something that I'm passionate
about.
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Advocating for uh oh no, I no, I'm pro getting wasted
.
I think everybody should do it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I'm on the other side of it.
I'm anti.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
For me it's over.
Those days have passed.
Go have your fun, Just to beable to admit when it's time to
retire from the three-daybenders.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, there's more to life than drinking.
And don't think I mean, you'rea performance animal like
anybody that's looking for anedge.
Just do the do a quick analysis, man.
Alcohol is, uh, not aperformance enhancing drug.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
No, um, after we finish, I'm gonna go on a friend
of mine's show and we're gonnanerd out on some health and
fitness stuff.
It's a review of a differentsong, but that doesn't matter.
But the basic base is if you'renot, if you're drinking, you
can't do anything to digyourself out of that hole with
(05:59):
fitness, right?
You're fighting at that point,not against your genetics or
your ability to, you're fightingjust against the alcohol and
you're not going to win becauseit takes such a toll on you.
Anything you do.
You could have a perfectroutine and if you have three
drinks a night, it's all fuckingfor zero, were you?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
were you always into fitness prior to getting into
military, or was it somethingthat you developed while you
were in?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
sports as a little kid and then got into wrestling
and then in high school got backinto wrestling again, was good
at that, but as far as strengthand pushing the limits, that
wasn't really till I joined themilitary, because you know, you
get into bartending.
I got bartending when I was 21,22, 23 and that's kind of a
(06:49):
self-destructive cycle.
When you're that age and you'reworking behind the bar, and
especially at a bar where ifsomebody bought you a drink you
were taking it, so you're having20.
Okay, people will fucking saythere's no way you're having 20
to 50 drinks a night.
I don't fucking know how we didit.
You just did it and you don'tknow how you got home.
But then you do the same thingthe next night.
(07:10):
You work four of those in a row, that's brutal dude.
Yeah, but we lived witheverybody that worked at the bar
.
It was like thisself-destructive family I had a
lot of fun, wouldn't changeanything.
Destructive family I had a lotof fun, wouldn't change anything
.
It's fucking blast, uh.
But from the time I stoppedthat and joined the military,
like switch, I got to busytraining, it was completely
(07:31):
different person.
Okay, this is what our focus is.
We're gonna, we're gonna dothis.
That underlying drinkingculture stayed there, yeah,
until a little over a year ago.
So I was always fightingagainst that.
But always, you know, I couldrun really fast and then, once I
(07:52):
started getting stronger andbigger, I started running slower
.
And then that peaked in SF whenI was really strong.
And then slow, just pretty slow, and now I'm really fast and
really strong.
So I've evened it out with thestopping drinking and.
But like I can do a 50 metersubsurface, I can get on the
(08:14):
treadmill and run a five minutemile and I can bench four or
five or bench four plates, squatfive plates and we're working
on a six plate deadlift.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So and that's.
That's sort of what every new Imean.
Can we?
Yeah, I guess we can call thathybrid athlete.
Before it was either in there'smore of those guys now on on
the teams.
Before it was, either you're adive guy, which is like cardio,
cardiovascular, super freak, oryou're a free fall guy and
(08:44):
you're just built like a fuckingbrick shit house and that's all
you want to do.
It's like how can I get bigger?
Like, what did you have to doon the backside?
It was like you know, yourstory is unique in that you had
to also overcome and readaptafter a traumatic brain injury.
(09:06):
Like, how did you approachhealing and then get back?
Because I would imagine thatlifting had to take a backseat
for a while.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It did a little bit.
But then you know, after a yearbecause we went to Korea and I
was back in the gym, I had anice little group of guys and we
were always there at five inthe morning, going to the gym
the only ones there and just gotback into the routine of it.
I still get and I can't seem todo anything about it a pain
(09:40):
that comes from probably thebase of my neck all the way up
into here.
It's like a.
It feels like it's just like arope and it just hurts.
Um and.
But I've found that the strongermy back is, the stronger my
shoulder is, the stronger myneck is.
The traps doing farmer'scarries, just working on all
that, I've got it so strong thatit hurts less.
(10:01):
So I've found that as I getthis way yeah, I'm hurting from
training and these lifts andbeing heavy, but I'm so strong
that all the other shit it's notthere anymore, that little shit
that used to hurt.
It's just like it's heldtogether and I feel good.
(10:23):
So I feel, like a lot of guys,back pain and knee pain, which
is legitimate.
I'm not discounting itAbsolutely, but a lot some of
that if you stick to thosephysical therapy regimens with
the little stuff, and then youget those little muscles taken
care of and then you startworking on your bigger muscles
and it starts to just kind ofsuck everything up.
(10:43):
You can eliminate some of thatthat.
Obviously, some of that's notgoing to be taken care of.
You're going to be if you've,you know, completely destroyed
your l3, l4, you know you got afused back.
There's only so much you can do, yeah, but if you've got minor
injuries and stuff, you canrehab them, um, and tighten
everything up.
That's a very unscientificapproach to it, but it's just
(11:06):
like gym bro, knowledge right,you know, sometimes it's built
on some actual wisdom, like thelower chain, for example.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Like we don't pay attention to the small muscles
that impact everything on ourlower back.
I had no idea that working outconsistently lower chain, doing
lower body which traditionallyfor a lot of guys you don't want
to do legs, you don't want todo squats only to a certain
point and then when you getinjured you don't want to go
back in there because it'll beinjured.
(11:34):
But the reality is likeeverything's connected your heel
, the way your foot's strikingwhen you run, when you walk.
You want to get those extracomfy shoes but that's actually
like hindering your ability torehab those muscles by
constantly being in those comfy,soft shoes.
Like you have to work thoselittle muscles and you have to
accept that you're going to bein some discomfort until you get
(11:57):
a certain amount of strengthand consistency in those
workouts to actually improveyour posture, improve the way
you're striking with your feetand your mobility.
That shit works.
Like you said earlier, you haveto listen to your physical
therapist.
You have to be willing to go dothose stupid workouts that
don't look cool, abandonedworkouts.
I understand it's not fun, butthere's benefit to it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
No, and little stuff like doing your calf raises.
You know there's nothing,nobody cares.
And the other thing like biglegs right, you let your legs
carry everywhere and you knowwho likes big legs?
Dudes, that's it.
Yeah, you never see a chick gooh, look at those.
(12:41):
You never see them say anythingabout it.
We're all getting bigger justto impress other dudes.
You know, if you're out thereand you're lonely, you're lonely
, bring your bench up to 405pounds and someone will love you
.
They just might be a dude.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So but community is important, Friendship and
connection is important, Likeand uh, that's go to the gym, go
work out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Go to the gym every day.
But here's the problem, and yousaid earlier right, how did you
get through it?
Well, now I've learned with theinternet and all these
resources and stuff.
I've learned to pull back.
Where common is?
You got to get in the gym everyday of the week, twice a day.
That's really not ideal becauseas you're aging your ability to
(13:33):
recover on your own, and then ifyou're a veteran and you might
have untreated hormone imbalanceor something like that, you
really can't recover.
So if you're not checking that,if you're not really taking
care of the basics and you diveinto something seven days a week
, you might as well do nothingbecause you're going to be
hurting yourself, you're goingto push yourself towards an
(13:55):
injury much faster than if youjust hydrated and walk 10 000
steps a day, yeah.
So to get the most now is topull back.
I do three strength sessions aweek an hour, tops, if I'm by
myself, 45 minutes.
Um, and then cardio three daysa week.
(14:16):
So my off days are cardio, andthen I have a totally off day on
saturday because the gym's toobusy.
But, um, the amount I lift isso much less than people think
it is and I've gotten.
I've seen more results fromthat.
Yeah, when I do lift seven tonine sets total.
But they're, they're brutal,they're heavy, they're, they're
(14:39):
and you said earlier, comfort,right, they're not comfortable.
Yeah, they're pushing past thatpoint.
And then you're stimulatingwhatever you want to get
strength or muscle growth,whatever you want to get at, and
things like that.
But and and then when I'm outof the gym, I'm backing it up
with 250 grams of protein a day,most of that from whole foods
(15:01):
beef um chicken, very littlechicken, but mostly beef.
I drink a lot of milk Um 90,.
95% of my diet is beef, riceand milk, and that's it.
And my one doctor was amazed.
I asked her can you run myblood work?
And it was perfect.
She couldn't believe it.
I said, well, what's your bloodwork?
(15:23):
Look like of your people thatdon't eat like that.
She said, well, it's atrocious.
I said, well, then, why thefuck are you amazed at that?
And I don't know.
You went to law, you went to uh,you know metal and I didn't
you're a doctor, god damn it.
So she's left me alone.
After that she's.
She's like yeah, I guess you'redoing something right.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So yeah it's, it's ridiculous, the there's a lot of
fads.
And the other thing, too, isprogramming right.
Like you, I've seen I met a lotof dudes that follow the same
thing, never, change itconstantly, and it's like
they're always upset becausethey're not seeing any gains and
it's like, well, are youchallenging yourself?
(16:03):
Like you're not even sweating,dude, like you come in here and
you do the same program everyday, day in and day out.
Like your body adapts, yourbody adapts.
You are going to need toconstantly look at and that's
why I love having a trainer man.
It makes it simple.
Just when I get to the pointwhere it's like, oh, this is
(16:23):
easier, then I know by the timeI come into the gym the next day
, my shit's about to get rocked.
This program's going to becompletely fucking different.
Thank you, by the way, terry,terry Wilson, if you're looking
for a trainer, terry, thetrailer, he will not let you
down.
It's enjoyable to havesomething that changes.
And, dude, there's a lot ofknowledge.
A lot of people shit on guysthat go to the gym and they take
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their fitness seriously to thepoint where it's like dialed in.
There's a lot of sacrifice thatcomes into developing that
knowledge and maintaining it.
Have you thought about goingthe coach route and taking all
this knowledge that you'vedeveloped over the past years
and open spread that to otherpeople?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I have I love what all the other guys are doing,
that they've gotten out and beenable to make a business out of
this.
I'm really liking what I'mdoing now and if I can keep
pushing that with some of theother things I don't know.
I also don't want to pushmyself in too many directions
right now.
But to circle back what yousaid, right, sam Sulik said it
(17:30):
really good.
Do you know who Sam Sulik is?
Oh, yeah, yeah, being big is aflex.
It's actually the ultimate flexbecause you can't buy that shit
, you can't be given it.
It's not something that comesovernight, that takes years of
meals and dedication and goingto the gym at 5 in the morning
or your regular time or whatever.
(17:51):
You can't be given that shit tobe big and strong and you can
include fast.
You know you can't be giventhat shit to be big and strong
and you can include fast.
You know you can't just run athree-hour marathon.
I guess some people can, butthey're that but you can't just
do some of these things and begiven all that shit.
That's a big flex.
And when you finally get to thatpoint where you can look at the
(18:13):
mirror and say, fuck yeah, thatis an amazing feeling and it's
a shame that more people won'tput in the necessary time to get
to that, because there's noregrets when you get to like
that, how you feel, how otherpeople treat you because it's
your introduction right.
Other people treat you becauseit's your introduction right.
(18:34):
When you introduce yourself topeople, they're looking at you
and saying is this person whothey say they are?
Is their reputation exudingfrom them when they come up and
say hey, my name's Nick Nice tomeet you.
(18:57):
Am I backing up, using specialforces as a Green Beret as a
resume, as a stepping stone tointroduce myself to people, to
come and talk to people about myopinions and things?
Do I embody that?
You can't be given any of thatstuff physically and you have to
work for it and it's, it ishelpful.
You get a trainer, you getsomebody advising you and you
get a mentor.
Um, I don't know, am I?
I don't know if I'm consideredmyself worthy of doing that yet
(19:19):
at this point.
I think I need to prove myselfin other areas.
But that's just me, the voicein my head that we all fight
with Right.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, everybody has that Every.
It's good to have that, thatvoice that checks you, as long
as it's not destructive.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh, it is destructive for everybody, because when you
get out of the service, it'sjust you.
You're the boss and there's nosergeant telling you what to do
anymore.
First sergeant, sergeant, major, whoever was in charge of you,
and it's just you and your voicein your head.
(20:00):
That voice can lead you allkinds of different directions.
It can amplify the one badthing that happened in your day
over the hundreds of good thingsthat happened in your day and
you'll just have that negativebias and focus on that one thing
, because that's all it is, isthere and you're listening to
that and you focus in on that.
(20:20):
And then, oh, now I'm going togo down a negative path and be
sad.
I'm not going to reach out tomy friends, I'm not going to,
you know, be there for somebody.
It just can snowball into allthese other things.
We all have it.
And if you're out there, ifyou're like, no, I don't have
(20:44):
that, yeah, you do, you do, it'sthere.
Just look at the way we focusalways on the negative.
Think back to any vacation youhad, or get together the stupid
bad things that happened.
Those are the ones that aregoing to stand out when you're
in sports as a kid.
All your losses.
That's going to stand out.
I remember all my losses.
I don't remember really any ofmy wins when I was in sports in
high school.
I remember the time I wasn'tprepared enough.
The negative Focus on that.
(21:04):
You know all the bad shit thathappened in the military.
People focus on that.
It's unfortunately like a race.
Everyone's in a race to havethe worst time.
We talked about that a coupleof weeks ago.
I had a shittier time than you.
That's, that's not the way tolook at things.
Let's just enjoy in the humorand things.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, you have to actively look for the good right
, so the automatically thatcritic will amplify the negative
.
Well, it takes a little bit ofwork, but you have to focus on
the good.
You have to sit down and allowyourself to think back to the
good things the moment thatnegativity comes in.
Like actively search for thegood.
(21:44):
It's hard, especially when youtransition.
Getting out of the military isnot easy Like we used to think,
I know.
I used to think that.
Well, certainly it's easier foryou know officers or people
that have made it through 30years of service.
Now, everybody struggles withit.
Everybody has their own journeyto go through with it.
What was yours like?
What was your?
(22:04):
What was the biggest challengeyou faced when you were coming
through that journey?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Me, yeah, I was the biggest challenge.
Yeah, me, yeah, I was thebiggest challenge.
I medically retired I didn'twant to be angry about that and,
(22:35):
moving back to the Midwest, andI, I got, I got here and I got
to my job and I realized it wasnot what they had billed it to
be and I called my wife I mean,I had only been there a couple
hours and I think I went.
I think we made a huge mistakeand we did, we did, but we, we
(22:57):
stuck it through, continued towork there.
They've eliminated my positionafter a year and a half, but you
know, it was a weird culture.
There was a lot of militarypeople but there was no work.
So I didn't have a purpose.
There's just no purpose thiswhole time.
And then there were a lot offactors that hindered me, or I
made excuses in my mind to Ididn't work on myself.
(23:21):
So a year and a half there,that goes away.
Covid comes, and then I took asales job great at first, and
then I realized I'm just doingthe same shit every day, over
and over again.
Even though I'm making a lot ofmoney, I'm not enjoying what
(23:41):
I'm doing.
And then that came to an end,end of last year.
But this whole time, you know,you don't realize that you just
I'm going to have a drink.
Or you don't realize how goodyou are at drinking compared to
normal people.
We were very good at it in theteam room.
(24:04):
You're very good at teamparties yeah, you're.
The military is tier one.
If there was a unit fordrinking we'd be up there.
Maybe not as good as thegermans, um, but we're fucking
good at it.
And uh, you just continue thatand you don't realize that you
stand out as much as you do whenyou get in the civilian world,
(24:27):
drink a whole bottle of vodka ata party and then, uh, you kind
of everybody's not on that samelevel, so you're standing out
and becoming a fucking assholeand that anger of getting out
and not dealing with it and justcoping by drinking more and
pushing like a pause button.
I'm going to take care of thatproblem in my head tomorrow.
(24:48):
I'm going to deal with thattomorrow and get to the point
where you can't drink at allanymore.
I don't drink at all anymore.
I don't drink at all, and thatwas really it.
As I said earlier, I'm not.
I'm not pro anti-drinking, like, if you want to have.
If you can deal with it, that'sgreat.
I did deal with it until Icouldn't, and then it's over.
(25:10):
There's no more of that, but Iwas the biggest thing that stood
in the way of transitioning outwell, but since starting this,
would I change anything?
Do I regret anything?
No, I wouldn't change a fuckingthing.
I'm enjoying what I'm doing now.
Uh, the opportunities arestarting to present themselves
(25:32):
from when you start getting yourshit back together and you can
start hearing the friends aroundyou.
But the and I was gonna make areel about this last night and I
decided to wait until today totalk to you about it.
I since january 1st no, let meback up from getting out.
(25:55):
I lost that's community, right.
We got a great community in sf.
Fucking guys, that'll be therefor you.
Um, the, the camaraderie, theteam life, the fucking, just the
feeling of being a green beretamazing, you're just a warm
fucking blanket and some hotcocoa or however ted lasso would
(26:16):
say it.
You know he'd really church thatup.
But losing that, thinking Ilost it.
And then coming to the midwest,where there's nobody here in
wisconsin I joke that I'm themost famous green beret in
wisconsin and somebody said,well, how many are there?
I was like there's three, sothere's nobody here.
(26:39):
So there are.
Now I've got a small grouptogether but to ice being
isolated.
And since starting this show onJanuary January 1st or something
on or about my show I builtmyself this little community
using technology, instagram andthe podcast and messaging people
(27:02):
and just trying to do stuff forthe community to get back in
touch, to bring that brotherhoodback in like a digital form.
And you got to work at itbecause I don't know what I'm
doing on Instagram, I didn'tknow what I'm doing with the
show, but I'm a completelydifferent person from 2024 to I
(27:23):
am now, because I feel likethere's people I can just reach
out to now, or that they're onlyjust a message away, and I had
to build that.
It's a very small thing rightnow and you've got it.
You're way, way farther downthe road than I am and it's got
to feel amazing that you havethis network.
You've built another specialforces group around yourself
(27:45):
that you have there, and nobodydid it for you.
Nobody made all those posts orthose instagram or started
recording or all these otherthings.
And if somebody listening wantsthat, you're going to have to
build yourself your own littlecommunity and you're going to
have to take the initiative,because all the answers are out
there.
You can ask chat, gpt or youcan.
(28:07):
You can ask these questions andthey'll reply to you as people,
or watch a YouTube video on howsomebody did it.
But you can make that community,bring back that sense of
belonging, because I have foundnothing but positivity from our
community when I reach out topeople and ask them to come on
the show, or hey, will youcollaborate with me on this post
(28:28):
?
Or what do you think of thispost?
Or what do you think of this?
Or how do you, how do you thinkof this?
Can you help me with this?
I have a question here.
Nothing but positivity and wego back to that voice in our
head that only dwells on thenegativity.
You got to get that shit out ofyour head and that's tough.
I had it today, just tellingmyself what kind of a piece of
shit I am and I go, no, that's,that's not it, we got to just,
(28:50):
let's just get to a baseline andI get on with Denny and then I
get to talk it out with him somesort of therapy and it just
feel better, like I feel betterfrom just talking to you now for
half an hour.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's tough though, isn't it?
It's the same thing we did atselection or any course you went
through.
Like when, when you have, whenyou have the ability to just sit
down with a friend, even whenyou're just digging out a
fighting position, how manytimes did you just crack a joke
or say something to keep yourspirits up with somebody in the
middle of the worst day ever?
(29:21):
And we've been doing it foreons as warriors just being able
to connect with somebody thathas a lived experience similar
to yours that can give you amoment of like.
Yeah, I'm not alone.
I'm not fucking alone.
Some guys don't want therapy,and I've come to understand that
some guys aren't ready andaren't willing to go there.
(29:42):
But what if all they need forthat moment to keep them going
is a friend and just humor?
I can do that.
I can do that.
If you're not ready to go talkto a provider, that's okay.
It's your journey.
I have to accept that, that nomatter what I do, no matter how
much, how great I make it soundlike some people aren't ready,
(30:04):
but if I can still be there foryou as a friend, to laugh, that
can help you and I'm willing todo that, and that's the same
thing that I've found throughthis, doing this, being able to
make somebody laugh on Instagram.
We have no idea how many liveswe've saved.
And that's not.
That's not hyperbole, that'snot an exaggeration.
I know it because I've gottenI've gotten emails, I've gotten
DMs from people like dude Iwasn't in a good space yesterday
(30:28):
and I finally admitted it andI'm willing to start getting
help, but laughing at that memeyou put out there, like I needed
that, thank you.
And same thing for me.
I have shitty days and somebodywill hit back like bro, your
shit's on fire.
We were laughing about it onthe fucking team room today.
I'm like dude, thank you forsharing that because I fucking
needed that today.
(30:48):
I needed that.
We dude, thank you for sharingthat, because I fucking needed
that today.
I needed that, dude.
I don't know what you guys think, but no matter what you go
through, no matter how much like5-MeO-DMT and how much therapy
like, you're still going to havebad days.
You're still going to have baddays.
That's life and it's okay toadmit that.
It's okay to say like, hey, Ihave every tool available and
still some days I'm going tohave a bad day and that's okay
(31:12):
Because I know that I can lookat that schedule and say, hey,
tomorrow I'm going to reset, I'mgoing to re-engage and I'm
going to be okay.
But I can be.
I can, I can sit here and I cansay like man, this sucks right
now, today sucks, but I have the.
I have the ability to finallyunderstand that tomorrow will
come and it'll be a better day.
And it's a great remindergetting into those emails,
(31:35):
getting those comments becausenot every comment is going to be
bad, some are good and justknowing that the team, the
greater military veteran space,are good people out there to
support you.
That's why I tell people likeif you want to get in this space
, it's work, but it's worth it.
If you have a good message, ifyou have a voice and you're
willing to champion a cause, getinvolved.
(31:56):
You never know what yourpositive impact will be.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, you don't know who's listening.
I'm so happy that I'm in thehundreds of listeners.
Do you know what?
A hundred people?
That's so many people.
Yeah, it's so awesome.
I think of every follower.
I'm like fuck, yeah, that'sawesome, one more followers.
You know it's one more, butit's one more follower.
Yeah, if you only got a fewpeople that listen to your show,
(32:22):
those people, those peoplemight not be wanting to reach
out to you, but they want toknow how you're doing.
I'm a little fish, like I juststarted.
I just started this.
I'm I'm nowhere near right now.
Little fish right now.
Little fish right now.
But but you know, um, getyourself out there, make
yourself, and it doesn't have tobe this.
(32:42):
There's all kinds of shitemerging now that wasn't, didn't
exist 10 years ago, 15 yearsago.
Um, fuck dude, uh, 20 years agoI didn't have a cell phone,
yeah, you know, and before thatthere wasn't.
Really, it wasn't a thing.
So over our lifetime thingshave completely changed.
How are things going to be infive years or 10 years?
(33:03):
We don't know.
But you said most people don'twant to go to therapy.
You know, traditional view oftherapist, of a therapist in an
office, a stuffy office, and yougot to sit in a waiting room
with fucking other people andnot look at them like you're in
an elevator and somebody justshit their pants.
Therapy can be other things.
(33:23):
Many people that go to the gymbut gym is my therapy Fuck yeah,
if the gym's, your therapy, goseven days a week, do it right,
fucking.
Look up how to do that shit soyou don't over train.
There are a lot of trainers thatthey you say if I don't go to
the gym I have a fucking.
I have like panic.
People have panic attacks.
If they don't go to the gymthey lose their mind.
Well, all right, let's start atseven days and see if we can
(33:45):
work you into something else.
A good trainer will work withyou to keep you in the game and
to keep you from hurtingyourself.
You can work with that If yourdiet's not.
You know, working, havingsomebody else work in something
to help you, that's therapy.
That is working on something tobetter yourself.
So don't get hung up on goingand hanging out in office with
(34:08):
somebody you don't know, thatdoesn't understand your back.
Well, in your mind they don'tunderstand what you've gone
through, only in your mind.
They do because they'reprofessional and if it's not a
good fit, find somebody else,trade a trade of you're that
person in the office for a coachin the gym, and then they trust
you.
They might refer to you totheir therapist that they work
(34:29):
with, and then that's somebodythat understands them.
You trust this person and youwill work your network that way
instead of this direction shift.
It's all easy to say, though Isay this stuff.
It's very easy to say um, yeah,and, but to put it into action,
just one thing at a time.
Just do one thing at a time andyou might adjust that over a
(34:50):
couple days or weeks.
Like adding creatine to yourdaily regimen, right, well, get
in the habit of it and then I'mfeeling kind of good with this.
What else can I change?
Because now you're in a habit,you got a month or two of doing
it.
Add something else.
Be like, oh, you know, I'mgonna walk a couple extra
flights of stairs when you startdoing that and you keep adding
(35:11):
up the principle.
But people fail in theseendeavors because they try to do
too much, too fast.
Yeah, and you, once you realizethat you can't do that and you
fail it seven days a week, twotimes a day, then you'll go down
to zero times a day, zero timesa week, two times a day.
Then you'll go down to zerotimes a day, zero times a week,
really quickly because you justjust you.
(35:32):
You broke yourself, and that'llapply to any area of your life.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, it's true, approach it with beginner's mind
.
Even if you've been a seasonedathlete, even if you've been a
fucking gym rock star and thenyou just fell off the wagon for
a few years, there's nothingwrong with viewing things as
being a beginner.
Start from a fucking slow,progressive plan of action that
(36:02):
gets you where you want to beand enjoy the process.
Shit's not about the fuckingdestination of being this
fucking jacked forever, leaf,forever fit dude like.
Fall in love with the ugly shit.
Fall in love with waking upearly.
Fall in love with getting outthere and being a shitty runner.
Just fall in love with thatprocess and you will get better
(36:25):
each and every day.
And I think when you are yourforties, like, a lot of guys
start to think like, oh, I don'thave, I can slack, I can, I can
put on a few extra pounds, Idon't have to really worry about
being super fit and I'm likewell, do you want to be around
for your kids?
Do you want to be, you know, agood role model for the people
(36:51):
in your life?
And if you do, like, you haveto take your physical fitness as
an important part of your life,like it's longevity.
You're not going to stickaround longer by eating junk
food and sitting on the couch.
You're not Make it part of yourlife again.
Like we talk about discomfort alot on the show, you're not
Make it part of your life again.
We talk about discomfort a loton the show.
(37:11):
Embrace it.
You were a man of purposebefore you can do it again.
Everybody loves a comeback.
I'm sure you're out of shape,you're not in your best fit and
you don't have the greatesthabits.
Boom.
You can start right now.
You can start right now.
Just look at life where you'reat right now and decide that you
want to be better.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, you're going to have to.
You do something because youeither have to or you want to,
and it's best to want to, butsometimes you have to do it.
That crazy statistic right, thenumber one cause of bankruptcy
(37:54):
in Americaica is medical bills.
Right, yeah, and god, this issomething that we can influence.
You know you can't.
You can't influence somebody.
T-bone you in the light,running red light right, you
can't unforeseen things thathappen to you.
But your health and yourlongevity, that's's something
that's on you Once you're anadult.
I get it.
Yeah, sometimes it's expensive,but fucking being unhealthy not
(38:21):
only is that unhealthy, that'spainful and then gets expensive
on top of it.
Learning the way to proper waysto do things, making small
changes, not doing too much,you're going to feel a lot
better.
And it's easy to say becausetrainers they'll tell you, the
hardest thing about gettingclients is you're just selling a
story, a future that doesn'texist.
(38:42):
It's a fairy tale until theystart inserting themselves into
that tail and acting out all ofthe plays along the way.
You have to hit all of thesethings to get to the fairytale
ending.
And there is no fairytaleending because, fuck, I mean,
I've hit now every fitness goalI've ever wanted to do, and now
I'm like, oh fuck, it's notenough.
(39:03):
I get there, but you got tokeep pushing towards the next
thing.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Combining stuff and making it, making it fun, um
yeah and I think next yearyou're gonna do the savage loop
with me and, uh, our team comedown to florida you know it's a
it's, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So me, nick ward, uh, not a big fan of those things,
that's cool.
I did some hard stuff.
But lesser operators, the guywho runs that, nicholas Allen,
he might be down for somethinglike that because to further the
brand and to get things outthere and network.
But uh, nick Ward, the uh owner, no, he's not down for it, but
(39:46):
probably the, the host of lesserknown operators, would be down
for it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
So I love that.
I love how you split yourpersonalities for that.
Uh, yeah, dude, um, we'll talk,we'll.
Uh, let's plan this out, man,because I think it'd be fucking
rad to to bring you along thesecurity hall team.
For next year's.
I made a commitment.
We going to do two brutalthings every year, one at the
(40:12):
beginning of the year, one atthe end of the year, and we're
going to always do the SavageLoop as a team.
So next year's Savage Loop islike this is the first year, it
was brutal and now we're back inthe training mode for it and
we're trying to bring in as manypeople as we can onto the
(40:33):
security hall team.
I'd like to roll deep.
I'm talking like at least fivepeople like to see five, five
people join up.
We got three so far.
If Nicholas Allen joins us,we'd have four.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
That motherfucker's down for anything.
You know he's like oh fuck, youknow, can I wear a lesson room
operator's t-shirt?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
he'll hold himself out for anything further.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
The brand you want to collaborate, sure fuck yeah me.
I mean, fuck, that soundsterrible it is.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
It is, but in the best of ways.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It's always fun everybody who says that about
running for fucking 80 miles,it's like.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
It's so exhilarating like fuck dude, I gotta take a
dump yeah, but the cool thing iswhat I, what I, what I would
like to do next year it's yeah,yeah, you shit your pants and
then, uh, when you're done, wedo a full podcast afterwards
with uh some of the folks thatuh competed in it.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So, um, yeah, we gotta do it.
I got my.
I'm not gonna announce it nowbecause then somebody will
fucking jump out there and beatme to it, but the I do have my
fitness project.
That's top secret that I'mworking on it.
We're getting.
We're getting close to beingable to record.
I think somewhere in june orjuly we're going to record and
(41:46):
post it and my goal for the yearis I want to have a million
view video and what I'm gonna do, I think I'll get there.
Uh, so I I didn't find, haven'tfound anybody that's done it.
Um, very excited about it anduh, hopefully people are gonna
be like that's how that thatlooks pretty tough, so we'll see
, but yeah, it's hard to findstuff that pushes.
(42:08):
it's hard to find stuff thatpushes the envelope.
With this stuff People are like, oh, that's impressive, so I'll
find my little thing and try onit.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, yeah.
We have to collaborate on somebig brand ideas and I got to
bring you into the fold of whatwe're planning for our soft
creators conference.
Yeah, I think it'll be up youralley, I think you'll enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I think you and I have the same thing.
I had a similar idea in my headthat I wanted to talk to you
about, but I figured you hadsomething already going.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah.
Well we're not going to tellyou guys.
Obviously, on this podcast youhave to wait.
This is great radio here, Greatradio.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Just two people alluding to things like we're in
the hallway like talking aboutASO level three bullshit that
doesn't fucking exist and youdon't get to know about it until
it's ready to pop, you don'tget to know about it.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Nicholas Allen, Lesser.
Known Operators.
Where can we find your podcastand get your insights on a daily
basis?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Everywhere that you guys listen to podcasts Spotify,
youtube, apple PodcastsRemember to like, subscribe,
share and pass it along to yourfriends at Lesser Known
Operators everywhere.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Hell yeah, dude.
Thank you so much for joiningus today and to everybody
listening, do me a favor, I'llpause right now.
I'll wait it to the very endagain.
Do me a favor, I'm going to bedramatic.
Take off the glasses, go onSpotify, apple Podcasts,
youtubes.
Leave us a like, share, sharean episode.
Leave us a comment or two.
I don't know Whatever you wantto put on there.
Denny fucking sucks fuckingglasses today.
(43:51):
He's a fucking boner.
A chode.
Write that.
You know what.
Just write chode on one of theeither podcasts, the
descriptions of the episodes, oron YouTube.
Whatever you want, do it please.
Algorithm will help push thatepisode along and help me grow,
and I'll be forever grateful foryou, everybody listening.
Thank you for tuning in.
We'll see you all next time.
(44:31):
Until then, and updates, andremember we get through this
together.
If you're still listening, theepisode's over.
Yeah, there's no more Tune intomorrow or next week, thank you
.
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And the quality has gone up.
It's decent, it's hosted by me,Danny Caballero.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's decent.
It's hosted by me, dennyCaballero.
I got a bad habit of pressingpost on Instagram yeah, 0, 0, 0,
1 seconds before I go live.
And then in my ear, here it'sjust ding, ding, ding, reminding
me how stupid I am.
You're a ding, you're an, anidiot.
(00:48):
So just one more click there,then we can get sit down and be
comfortable.
How are you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
doing good man bringing loaded deck ready to go
again.
I'll be ready for this semesterto be over with, or my workload
kind of slows down for a littlebit, but I gotta, I gotta sign
up for my classes.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Jealous, you know, I'm jealous and not jealous of
you guys that are able to do theschooling and anything else all
at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You can do it you can fucking do it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, I know, I can I'm gonna, I'm gonna fucking listen
, man 180 alpha.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You right now, nicholas.
You've done harder things inlife.
You can fucking do this.
It's just scheduling.
Yeah, I can also mow my lawn.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Things in life, you can fucking do this, it's just
scheduling yeah, I can also mowmy lawn and I ain't gonna
fucking do it don't be thatdirtbag.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Like my neighbor motherfucker lives.
This shit grows like higherthan me and it's like all right,
I'll mow it.
And then he's mowing it atnight.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm like motherfucker not to get political and not to
get into um.
You're gonna laugh at this.
This is okay.
I'm being serious.
I'm serious.
I'm starting to worry aboutmario and what's going on in the
news.
He hasn't come to ask aboutmowing the lawn yet this year
(02:03):
and I don't think he was able toget back in from mexico when he
left in november.
Um, because he's been here bynow and now.
No, nobody from the family'sbeen here.
So I'm like worried about thisguy that I don't even know.
His last name another victim, Idon't know and I I doubt
(02:25):
mario's going to listen to this,but I hope you're doing all
right, dude.
I have a feeling.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Mario right now is trapped deep in the jungles of
darien gap in panama, tryingdesperately to make it back home
to guatemala I.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I hope he's doing okay.
Um, we we had a weirdrelationship because he didn't
speak English and I barely speakSpanish, so the yard was always
fucked up.
I hope he comes back.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
God willing.
Vaya con Dios, mario, whereveryou may be.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So we're interviewing for the position?
I guess is what we're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
There's an opening.
You're saying there's a spot.
You know I'm always looking forrevenue.
Wisconsin ain't that far fromme.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I can make it up there yeah, how did we get to
this conversation?
Me talking about how I'm notgoing to community college in my
in my spare eight minutes a day?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
hey, man, you can you go to some reputable schools
online sure yeah, I can do a lotof things.
I can do a lot of things if youhave the passion for it, if you
want to uh, if you want to do it, there's a lot of things.
If you have the passion for it,if you want to uh, if you want
to do it, there's a lot of dudesthat are getting into the the
same space that we're both innow, bringing in podcasting and
media and um, they're diving in.
I mean, that's one of the firstthings I did is I went to
(03:36):
Berkeley for some audio designs,uh courses and um, they weren't
too bad, definitely learned alot, but it's whatever you're
passionate for, you can find away to do it.
And vrne is great, gi bill isgreat.
I always tell people, man, ifyou're in that space and you
want to chase it down, fuckingbe willing to lean into it.
(03:59):
We got a lot of great dudes thathave a lot of insight into what
schools you need or whatschooling you could potentially
find yourself in when it comesto like new media, like audio
and video stuff.
So Cameron Cushman is a goodone.
He's been in the space for along time.
Not a soft guy.
Infantry dude Veteran madeShout out to that homie.
(04:23):
He's been in production andfilm for a long time, for a long
time air force veteran doinggreat shit, um, and his work,
like his stuff, is fucking primo.
He's been hired out and beendoing things for like nascar, so
if you're interested in that,there's way to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You know I'm kind of the opportunities that are
coming from me, not being aalcoholic are starting to
present themselves.
You didn't think I was going tosay that, did you?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
no, but that's something that I'm passionate
about.
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Advocating for uh oh no, I no, I'm pro getting wasted
.
I think everybody should do it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I'm on the other side of it.
I'm anti.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
For me it's over.
Those days have passed.
Go have your fun, Just to beable to admit when it's time to
retire from the three-daybenders.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, there's more to life than drinking.
And don't think I mean, you'rea performance animal like
anybody that's looking for anedge.
Just do the do a quick analysis, man.
Alcohol is, uh, not aperformance enhancing drug.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
No, um, after we finish, I'm gonna go on a friend
of mine's show and we're gonnanerd out on some health and
fitness stuff.
It's a review of a differentsong, but that doesn't matter.
But the basic base is if you'renot, if you're drinking, you
can't do anything to digyourself out of that hole with
(05:59):
fitness, right?
You're fighting at that point,not against your genetics or
your ability to, you're fightingjust against the alcohol and
you're not going to win becauseit takes such a toll on you.
Anything you do.
You could have a perfectroutine and if you have three
drinks a night, it's all fuckingfor zero, were you?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
were you always into fitness prior to getting into
military, or was it somethingthat you developed while you
were in?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
sports as a little kid and then got into wrestling
and then in high school got backinto wrestling again, was good
at that, but as far as strengthand pushing the limits, that
wasn't really till I joined themilitary, because you know, you
get into bartending.
I got bartending when I was 21,22, 23 and that's kind of a
(06:49):
self-destructive cycle.
When you're that age and you'reworking behind the bar, and
especially at a bar where ifsomebody bought you a drink you
were taking it, so you're having20.
Okay, people will fucking saythere's no way you're having 20
to 50 drinks a night.
I don't fucking know how we didit.
You just did it and you don'tknow how you got home.
But then you do the same thingthe next night.
(07:10):
You work four of those in a row, that's brutal dude.
Yeah, but we lived witheverybody that worked at the bar
.
It was like thisself-destructive family I had a
lot of fun, wouldn't changeanything.
Destructive family I had a lotof fun, wouldn't change anything
.
It's fucking blast, uh.
But from the time I stoppedthat and joined the military,
like switch, I got to busytraining, it was completely
(07:31):
different person.
Okay, this is what our focus is.
We're gonna, we're gonna dothis.
That underlying drinkingculture stayed there, yeah,
until a little over a year ago.
So I was always fightingagainst that.
But always, you know, I couldrun really fast and then, once I
(07:52):
started getting stronger andbigger, I started running slower
.
And then that peaked in SF whenI was really strong.
And then slow, just pretty slow, and now I'm really fast and
really strong.
So I've evened it out with thestopping drinking and.
But like I can do a 50 metersubsurface, I can get on the
(08:14):
treadmill and run a five minutemile and I can bench four or
five or bench four plates, squatfive plates and we're working
on a six plate deadlift.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So and that's.
That's sort of what every new Imean.
Can we?
Yeah, I guess we can call thathybrid athlete.
Before it was either in there'smore of those guys now on on
the teams.
Before it was, either you're adive guy, which is like cardio,
cardiovascular, super freak, oryou're a free fall guy and
(08:44):
you're just built like a fuckingbrick shit house and that's all
you want to do.
It's like how can I get bigger?
Like, what did you have to doon the backside?
It was like you know, yourstory is unique in that you had
to also overcome and readaptafter a traumatic brain injury.
(09:06):
Like, how did you approachhealing and then get back?
Because I would imagine thatlifting had to take a backseat
for a while.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It did a little bit.
But then you know, after a yearbecause we went to Korea and I
was back in the gym, I had anice little group of guys and we
were always there at five inthe morning, going to the gym
the only ones there and just gotback into the routine of it.
I still get and I can't seem todo anything about it a pain
(09:40):
that comes from probably thebase of my neck all the way up
into here.
It's like a.
It feels like it's just like arope and it just hurts.
Um and.
But I've found that the strongermy back is, the stronger my
shoulder is, the stronger myneck is.
The traps doing farmer'scarries, just working on all
that, I've got it so strong thatit hurts less.
(10:01):
So I've found that as I getthis way yeah, I'm hurting from
training and these lifts andbeing heavy, but I'm so strong
that all the other shit it's notthere anymore, that little shit
that used to hurt.
It's just like it's heldtogether and I feel good.
(10:23):
So I feel, like a lot of guys,back pain and knee pain, which
is legitimate.
I'm not discounting itAbsolutely, but a lot some of
that if you stick to thosephysical therapy regimens with
the little stuff, and then youget those little muscles taken
care of and then you startworking on your bigger muscles
and it starts to just kind ofsuck everything up.
(10:43):
You can eliminate some of thatthat.
Obviously, some of that's notgoing to be taken care of.
You're going to be if you've,you know, completely destroyed
your l3, l4, you know you got afused back.
There's only so much you can do, yeah, but if you've got minor
injuries and stuff, you canrehab them, um, and tighten
everything up.
That's a very unscientificapproach to it, but it's just
(11:06):
like gym bro, knowledge right,you know, sometimes it's built
on some actual wisdom, like thelower chain, for example.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Like we don't pay attention to the small muscles
that impact everything on ourlower back.
I had no idea that working outconsistently lower chain, doing
lower body which traditionallyfor a lot of guys you don't want
to do legs, you don't want todo squats only to a certain
point and then when you getinjured you don't want to go
back in there because it'll beinjured.
(11:34):
But the reality is likeeverything's connected your heel
, the way your foot's strikingwhen you run, when you walk.
You want to get those extracomfy shoes but that's actually
like hindering your ability torehab those muscles by
constantly being in those comfy,soft shoes.
Like you have to work thoselittle muscles and you have to
accept that you're going to bein some discomfort until you get
(11:57):
a certain amount of strengthand consistency in those
workouts to actually improveyour posture, improve the way
you're striking with your feetand your mobility.
That shit works.
Like you said earlier, you haveto listen to your physical
therapist.
You have to be willing to go dothose stupid workouts that
don't look cool, abandonedworkouts.
I understand it's not fun, butthere's benefit to it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
No, and little stuff like doing your calf raises.
You know there's nothing,nobody cares.
And the other thing like biglegs right, you let your legs
carry everywhere and you knowwho likes big legs?
Dudes, that's it.
Yeah, you never see a chick gooh, look at those.
(12:41):
You never see them say anythingabout it.
We're all getting bigger justto impress other dudes.
You know, if you're out thereand you're lonely, you're lonely
, bring your bench up to 405pounds and someone will love you
.
They just might be a dude.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So but community is important, Friendship and
connection is important, Likeand uh, that's go to the gym, go
work out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Go to the gym every day.
But here's the problem, and yousaid earlier right, how did you
get through it?
Well, now I've learned with theinternet and all these
resources and stuff.
I've learned to pull back.
Where common is?
You got to get in the gym everyday of the week, twice a day.
That's really not ideal becauseas you're aging your ability to
(13:33):
recover on your own, and then ifyou're a veteran and you might
have untreated hormone imbalanceor something like that, you
really can't recover.
So if you're not checking that,if you're not really taking
care of the basics and you diveinto something seven days a week
, you might as well do nothingbecause you're going to be
hurting yourself, you're goingto push yourself towards an
(13:55):
injury much faster than if youjust hydrated and walk 10 000
steps a day, yeah.
So to get the most now is topull back.
I do three strength sessions aweek an hour, tops, if I'm by
myself, 45 minutes.
Um, and then cardio three daysa week.
(14:16):
So my off days are cardio, andthen I have a totally off day on
saturday because the gym's toobusy.
But, um, the amount I lift isso much less than people think
it is and I've gotten.
I've seen more results fromthat.
Yeah, when I do lift seven tonine sets total.
But they're, they're brutal,they're heavy, they're, they're
(14:39):
and you said earlier, comfort,right, they're not comfortable.
Yeah, they're pushing past thatpoint.
And then you're stimulatingwhatever you want to get
strength or muscle growth,whatever you want to get at, and
things like that.
But and and then when I'm outof the gym, I'm backing it up
with 250 grams of protein a day,most of that from whole foods
(15:01):
beef um chicken, very littlechicken, but mostly beef.
I drink a lot of milk Um 90,.
95% of my diet is beef, riceand milk, and that's it.
And my one doctor was amazed.
I asked her can you run myblood work?
And it was perfect.
She couldn't believe it.
I said, well, what's your bloodwork?
(15:23):
Look like of your people thatdon't eat like that.
She said, well, it's atrocious.
I said, well, then, why thefuck are you amazed at that?
And I don't know.
You went to law, you went to uh,you know metal and I didn't
you're a doctor, god damn it.
So she's left me alone.
After that she's.
She's like yeah, I guess you'redoing something right.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So yeah it's, it's ridiculous, the there's a lot of
fads.
And the other thing, too, isprogramming right.
Like you, I've seen I met a lotof dudes that follow the same
thing, never, change itconstantly, and it's like
they're always upset becausethey're not seeing any gains and
it's like, well, are youchallenging yourself?
(16:03):
Like you're not even sweating,dude, like you come in here and
you do the same program everyday, day in and day out.
Like your body adapts, yourbody adapts.
You are going to need toconstantly look at and that's
why I love having a trainer man.
It makes it simple.
Just when I get to the pointwhere it's like, oh, this is
(16:23):
easier, then I know by the timeI come into the gym the next day
, my shit's about to get rocked.
This program's going to becompletely fucking different.
Thank you, by the way, terry,terry Wilson, if you're looking
for a trainer, terry, thetrailer, he will not let you
down.
It's enjoyable to havesomething that changes.
And, dude, there's a lot ofknowledge.
A lot of people shit on guysthat go to the gym and they take
(16:47):
their fitness seriously to thepoint where it's like dialed in.
There's a lot of sacrifice thatcomes into developing that
knowledge and maintaining it.
Have you thought about goingthe coach route and taking all
this knowledge that you'vedeveloped over the past years
and open spread that to otherpeople?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I have I love what all the other guys are doing,
that they've gotten out and beenable to make a business out of
this.
I'm really liking what I'mdoing now and if I can keep
pushing that with some of theother things I don't know.
I also don't want to pushmyself in too many directions
right now.
But to circle back what yousaid, right, sam Sulik said it
(17:30):
really good.
Do you know who Sam Sulik is?
Oh, yeah, yeah, being big is aflex.
It's actually the ultimate flexbecause you can't buy that shit
, you can't be given it.
It's not something that comesovernight, that takes years of
meals and dedication and goingto the gym at 5 in the morning
or your regular time or whatever.
(17:51):
You can't be given that shit tobe big and strong and you can
include fast.
You know you can't be giventhat shit to be big and strong
and you can include fast.
You know you can't just run athree-hour marathon.
I guess some people can, butthey're that but you can't just
do some of these things and begiven all that shit.
That's a big flex.
And when you finally get to thatpoint where you can look at the
(18:13):
mirror and say, fuck yeah, thatis an amazing feeling and it's
a shame that more people won'tput in the necessary time to get
to that, because there's noregrets when you get to like
that, how you feel, how otherpeople treat you because it's
your introduction right.
Other people treat you becauseit's your introduction right.
(18:34):
When you introduce yourself topeople, they're looking at you
and saying is this person whothey say they are?
Is their reputation exudingfrom them when they come up and
say hey, my name's Nick Nice tomeet you.
(18:57):
Am I backing up, using specialforces as a Green Beret as a
resume, as a stepping stone tointroduce myself to people, to
come and talk to people about myopinions and things?
Do I embody that?
You can't be given any of thatstuff physically and you have to
work for it and it's, it ishelpful.
You get a trainer, you getsomebody advising you and you
get a mentor.
Um, I don't know, am I?
I don't know if I'm consideredmyself worthy of doing that yet
(19:19):
at this point.
I think I need to prove myselfin other areas.
But that's just me, the voicein my head that we all fight
with Right.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, everybody has that Every.
It's good to have that, thatvoice that checks you, as long
as it's not destructive.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh, it is destructive for everybody, because when you
get out of the service, it'sjust you.
You're the boss and there's nosergeant telling you what to do
anymore.
First sergeant, sergeant, major, whoever was in charge of you,
and it's just you and your voicein your head.
(20:00):
That voice can lead you allkinds of different directions.
It can amplify the one badthing that happened in your day
over the hundreds of good thingsthat happened in your day and
you'll just have that negativebias and focus on that one thing
, because that's all it is, isthere and you're listening to
that and you focus in on that.
(20:20):
And then, oh, now I'm going togo down a negative path and be
sad.
I'm not going to reach out tomy friends, I'm not going to,
you know, be there for somebody.
It just can snowball into allthese other things.
We all have it.
And if you're out there, ifyou're like, no, I don't have
(20:44):
that, yeah, you do, you do, it'sthere.
Just look at the way we focusalways on the negative.
Think back to any vacation youhad, or get together the stupid
bad things that happened.
Those are the ones that aregoing to stand out when you're
in sports as a kid.
All your losses.
That's going to stand out.
I remember all my losses.
I don't remember really any ofmy wins when I was in sports in
high school.
I remember the time I wasn'tprepared enough.
The negative Focus on that.
(21:04):
You know all the bad shit thathappened in the military.
People focus on that.
It's unfortunately like a race.
Everyone's in a race to havethe worst time.
We talked about that a coupleof weeks ago.
I had a shittier time than you.
That's, that's not the way tolook at things.
Let's just enjoy in the humorand things.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, you have to actively look for the good right
, so the automatically thatcritic will amplify the negative
.
Well, it takes a little bit ofwork, but you have to focus on
the good.
You have to sit down and allowyourself to think back to the
good things the moment thatnegativity comes in.
Like actively search for thegood.
(21:44):
It's hard, especially when youtransition.
Getting out of the military isnot easy Like we used to think,
I know.
I used to think that.
Well, certainly it's easier foryou know officers or people
that have made it through 30years of service.
Now, everybody struggles withit.
Everybody has their own journeyto go through with it.
What was yours like?
What was your?
(22:04):
What was the biggest challengeyou faced when you were coming
through that journey?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Me, yeah, I was the biggest challenge.
Yeah, me, yeah, I was thebiggest challenge.
I medically retired I didn'twant to be angry about that and,
(22:35):
moving back to the Midwest, andI, I got, I got here and I got
to my job and I realized it wasnot what they had billed it to
be and I called my wife I mean,I had only been there a couple
hours and I think I went.
I think we made a huge mistakeand we did, we did, but we, we
(22:57):
stuck it through, continued towork there.
They've eliminated my positionafter a year and a half, but you
know, it was a weird culture.
There was a lot of militarypeople but there was no work.
So I didn't have a purpose.
There's just no purpose thiswhole time.
And then there were a lot offactors that hindered me, or I
made excuses in my mind to Ididn't work on myself.
(23:21):
So a year and a half there,that goes away.
Covid comes, and then I took asales job great at first, and
then I realized I'm just doingthe same shit every day, over
and over again.
Even though I'm making a lot ofmoney, I'm not enjoying what
(23:41):
I'm doing.
And then that came to an end,end of last year.
But this whole time, you know,you don't realize that you just
I'm going to have a drink.
Or you don't realize how goodyou are at drinking compared to
normal people.
We were very good at it in theteam room.
(24:04):
You're very good at teamparties yeah, you're.
The military is tier one.
If there was a unit fordrinking we'd be up there.
Maybe not as good as thegermans, um, but we're fucking
good at it.
And uh, you just continue thatand you don't realize that you
stand out as much as you do whenyou get in the civilian world,
(24:27):
drink a whole bottle of vodka ata party and then, uh, you kind
of everybody's not on that samelevel, so you're standing out
and becoming a fucking assholeand that anger of getting out
and not dealing with it and justcoping by drinking more and
pushing like a pause button.
I'm going to take care of thatproblem in my head tomorrow.
(24:48):
I'm going to deal with thattomorrow and get to the point
where you can't drink at allanymore.
I don't drink at all anymore.
I don't drink at all, and thatwas really it.
As I said earlier, I'm not.
I'm not pro anti-drinking, like, if you want to have.
If you can deal with it, that'sgreat.
I did deal with it until Icouldn't, and then it's over.
(25:10):
There's no more of that, but Iwas the biggest thing that stood
in the way of transitioning outwell, but since starting this,
would I change anything?
Do I regret anything?
No, I wouldn't change a fuckingthing.
I'm enjoying what I'm doing now.
Uh, the opportunities arestarting to present themselves
(25:32):
from when you start getting yourshit back together and you can
start hearing the friends aroundyou.
But the and I was gonna make areel about this last night and I
decided to wait until today totalk to you about it.
I since january 1st no, let meback up from getting out.
(25:55):
I lost that's community, right.
We got a great community in sf.
Fucking guys, that'll be therefor you.
Um, the, the camaraderie, theteam life, the fucking, just the
feeling of being a green beretamazing, you're just a warm
fucking blanket and some hotcocoa or however ted lasso would
(26:16):
say it.
You know he'd really church thatup.
But losing that, thinking Ilost it.
And then coming to the midwest,where there's nobody here in
wisconsin I joke that I'm themost famous green beret in
wisconsin and somebody said,well, how many are there?
I was like there's three, sothere's nobody here.
(26:39):
So there are.
Now I've got a small grouptogether but to ice being
isolated.
And since starting this show onJanuary January 1st or something
on or about my show I builtmyself this little community
using technology, instagram andthe podcast and messaging people
(27:02):
and just trying to do stuff forthe community to get back in
touch, to bring that brotherhoodback in like a digital form.
And you got to work at itbecause I don't know what I'm
doing on Instagram, I didn'tknow what I'm doing with the
show, but I'm a completelydifferent person from 2024 to I
(27:23):
am now, because I feel likethere's people I can just reach
out to now, or that they're onlyjust a message away, and I had
to build that.
It's a very small thing rightnow and you've got it.
You're way, way farther downthe road than I am and it's got
to feel amazing that you havethis network.
You've built another specialforces group around yourself
(27:45):
that you have there, and nobodydid it for you.
Nobody made all those posts orthose instagram or started
recording or all these otherthings.
And if somebody listening wantsthat, you're going to have to
build yourself your own littlecommunity and you're going to
have to take the initiative,because all the answers are out
there.
You can ask chat, gpt or youcan.
(28:07):
You can ask these questions andthey'll reply to you as people,
or watch a YouTube video on howsomebody did it.
But you can make that community,bring back that sense of
belonging, because I have foundnothing but positivity from our
community when I reach out topeople and ask them to come on
the show, or hey, will youcollaborate with me on this post
(28:28):
?
Or what do you think of thispost?
Or what do you think of this?
Or how do you, how do you thinkof this?
Can you help me with this?
I have a question here.
Nothing but positivity and wego back to that voice in our
head that only dwells on thenegativity.
You got to get that shit out ofyour head and that's tough.
I had it today, just tellingmyself what kind of a piece of
shit I am and I go, no, that's,that's not it, we got to just,
(28:50):
let's just get to a baseline andI get on with Denny and then I
get to talk it out with him somesort of therapy and it just
feel better, like I feel betterfrom just talking to you now for
half an hour.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's tough though, isn't it?
It's the same thing we did atselection or any course you went
through.
Like when, when you have, whenyou have the ability to just sit
down with a friend, even whenyou're just digging out a
fighting position, how manytimes did you just crack a joke
or say something to keep yourspirits up with somebody in the
middle of the worst day ever?
(29:21):
And we've been doing it foreons as warriors just being able
to connect with somebody thathas a lived experience similar
to yours that can give you amoment of like.
Yeah, I'm not alone.
I'm not fucking alone.
Some guys don't want therapy,and I've come to understand that
some guys aren't ready andaren't willing to go there.
(29:42):
But what if all they need forthat moment to keep them going
is a friend and just humor?
I can do that.
I can do that.
If you're not ready to go talkto a provider, that's okay.
It's your journey.
I have to accept that, that nomatter what I do, no matter how
much, how great I make it soundlike some people aren't ready,
(30:04):
but if I can still be there foryou as a friend, to laugh, that
can help you and I'm willing todo that, and that's the same
thing that I've found throughthis, doing this, being able to
make somebody laugh on Instagram.
We have no idea how many liveswe've saved.
And that's not.
That's not hyperbole, that'snot an exaggeration.
I know it because I've gottenI've gotten emails, I've gotten
DMs from people like dude Iwasn't in a good space yesterday
(30:28):
and I finally admitted it andI'm willing to start getting
help, but laughing at that memeyou put out there, like I needed
that, thank you.
And same thing for me.
I have shitty days and somebodywill hit back like bro, your
shit's on fire.
We were laughing about it onthe fucking team room today.
I'm like dude, thank you forsharing that because I fucking
needed that today.
(30:48):
I needed that.
We dude, thank you for sharingthat, because I fucking needed
that today.
I needed that, dude.
I don't know what you guys think, but no matter what you go
through, no matter how much like5-MeO-DMT and how much therapy
like, you're still going to havebad days.
You're still going to have baddays.
That's life and it's okay toadmit that.
It's okay to say like, hey, Ihave every tool available and
still some days I'm going tohave a bad day and that's okay
(31:12):
Because I know that I can lookat that schedule and say, hey,
tomorrow I'm going to reset, I'mgoing to re-engage and I'm
going to be okay.
But I can be.
I can, I can sit here and I cansay like man, this sucks right
now, today sucks, but I have the.
I have the ability to finallyunderstand that tomorrow will
come and it'll be a better day.
And it's a great remindergetting into those emails,
(31:35):
getting those comments becausenot every comment is going to be
bad, some are good and justknowing that the team, the
greater military veteran space,are good people out there to
support you.
That's why I tell people likeif you want to get in this space
, it's work, but it's worth it.
If you have a good message, ifyou have a voice and you're
willing to champion a cause, getinvolved.
(31:56):
You never know what yourpositive impact will be.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No, you don't know who's listening.
I'm so happy that I'm in thehundreds of listeners.
Do you know what?
A hundred people?
That's so many people.
Yeah, it's so awesome.
I think of every follower.
I'm like fuck, yeah, that'sawesome, one more followers.
You know it's one more, butit's one more follower.
Yeah, if you only got a fewpeople that listen to your show,
(32:22):
those people, those peoplemight not be wanting to reach
out to you, but they want toknow how you're doing.
I'm a little fish, like I juststarted.
I just started this.
I'm I'm nowhere near right now.
Little fish right now.
Little fish right now.
But but you know, um, getyourself out there, make
yourself, and it doesn't have tobe this.
(32:42):
There's all kinds of shitemerging now that wasn't, didn't
exist 10 years ago, 15 yearsago.
Um, fuck dude, uh, 20 years agoI didn't have a cell phone,
yeah, you know, and before thatthere wasn't.
Really, it wasn't a thing.
So over our lifetime thingshave completely changed.
How are things going to be infive years or 10 years?
(33:03):
We don't know.
But you said most people don'twant to go to therapy.
You know, traditional view oftherapist, of a therapist in an
office, a stuffy office, and yougot to sit in a waiting room
with fucking other people andnot look at them like you're in
an elevator and somebody justshit their pants.
Therapy can be other things.
(33:23):
Many people that go to the gymbut gym is my therapy Fuck yeah,
if the gym's, your therapy, goseven days a week, do it right,
fucking.
Look up how to do that shit soyou don't over train.
There are a lot of trainers thatthey you say if I don't go to
the gym I have a fucking.
I have like panic.
People have panic attacks.
If they don't go to the gymthey lose their mind.
Well, all right, let's start atseven days and see if we can
(33:45):
work you into something else.
A good trainer will work withyou to keep you in the game and
to keep you from hurtingyourself.
You can work with that If yourdiet's not.
You know, working, havingsomebody else work in something
to help you, that's therapy.
That is working on something tobetter yourself.
So don't get hung up on goingand hanging out in office with
(34:08):
somebody you don't know, thatdoesn't understand your back.
Well, in your mind they don'tunderstand what you've gone
through, only in your mind.
They do because they'reprofessional and if it's not a
good fit, find somebody else,trade a trade of you're that
person in the office for a coachin the gym, and then they trust
you.
They might refer to you totheir therapist that they work
(34:29):
with, and then that's somebodythat understands them.
You trust this person and youwill work your network that way
instead of this direction shift.
It's all easy to say, though Isay this stuff.
It's very easy to say um, yeah,and, but to put it into action,
just one thing at a time.
Just do one thing at a time andyou might adjust that over a
(34:50):
couple days or weeks.
Like adding creatine to yourdaily regimen, right, well, get
in the habit of it and then I'mfeeling kind of good with this.
What else can I change?
Because now you're in a habit,you got a month or two of doing
it.
Add something else.
Be like, oh, you know, I'mgonna walk a couple extra
flights of stairs when you startdoing that and you keep adding
(35:11):
up the principle.
But people fail in theseendeavors because they try to do
too much, too fast.
Yeah, and you, once you realizethat you can't do that and you
fail it seven days a week, twotimes a day, then you'll go down
to zero times a day, zero timesa week, two times a day.
Then you'll go down to zerotimes a day, zero times a week,
really quickly because you justjust you.
(35:32):
You broke yourself, and that'llapply to any area of your life.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, it's true, approach it with beginner's mind
.
Even if you've been a seasonedathlete, even if you've been a
fucking gym rock star and thenyou just fell off the wagon for
a few years, there's nothingwrong with viewing things as
being a beginner.
Start from a fucking slow,progressive plan of action that
(36:02):
gets you where you want to beand enjoy the process.
Shit's not about the fuckingdestination of being this
fucking jacked forever, leaf,forever fit dude like.
Fall in love with the ugly shit.
Fall in love with waking upearly.
Fall in love with getting outthere and being a shitty runner.
Just fall in love with thatprocess and you will get better
(36:25):
each and every day.
And I think when you are yourforties, like, a lot of guys
start to think like, oh, I don'thave, I can slack, I can, I can
put on a few extra pounds, Idon't have to really worry about
being super fit and I'm likewell, do you want to be around
for your kids?
Do you want to be, you know, agood role model for the people
(36:51):
in your life?
And if you do, like, you haveto take your physical fitness as
an important part of your life,like it's longevity.
You're not going to stickaround longer by eating junk
food and sitting on the couch.
You're not Make it part of yourlife again.
Like we talk about discomfort alot on the show, you're not
Make it part of your life again.
We talk about discomfort a loton the show.
(37:11):
Embrace it.
You were a man of purposebefore you can do it again.
Everybody loves a comeback.
I'm sure you're out of shape,you're not in your best fit and
you don't have the greatesthabits.
Boom.
You can start right now.
You can start right now.
Just look at life where you'reat right now and decide that you
want to be better.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, you're going to have to.
You do something because youeither have to or you want to,
and it's best to want to, butsometimes you have to do it.
That crazy statistic right, thenumber one cause of bankruptcy
(37:54):
in Americaica is medical bills.
Right, yeah, and god, this issomething that we can influence.
You know you can't.
You can't influence somebody.
T-bone you in the light,running red light right, you
can't unforeseen things thathappen to you.
But your health and yourlongevity, that's's something
that's on you Once you're anadult.
I get it.
Yeah, sometimes it's expensive,but fucking being unhealthy not
(38:21):
only is that unhealthy, that'spainful and then gets expensive
on top of it.
Learning the way to proper waysto do things, making small
changes, not doing too much,you're going to feel a lot
better.
And it's easy to say becausetrainers they'll tell you, the
hardest thing about gettingclients is you're just selling a
story, a future that doesn'texist.
(38:42):
It's a fairy tale until theystart inserting themselves into
that tail and acting out all ofthe plays along the way.
You have to hit all of thesethings to get to the fairytale
ending.
And there is no fairytaleending because, fuck, I mean,
I've hit now every fitness goalI've ever wanted to do, and now
I'm like, oh fuck, it's notenough.
(39:03):
I get there, but you got tokeep pushing towards the next
thing.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Combining stuff and making it, making it fun, um
yeah and I think next yearyou're gonna do the savage loop
with me and, uh, our team comedown to florida you know it's a
it's, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So me, nick ward, uh, not a big fan of those things,
that's cool.
I did some hard stuff.
But lesser operators, the guywho runs that, nicholas Allen,
he might be down for somethinglike that because to further the
brand and to get things outthere and network.
But uh, nick Ward, the uh owner, no, he's not down for it, but
(39:46):
probably the, the host of lesserknown operators, would be down
for it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
So I love that.
I love how you split yourpersonalities for that.
Uh, yeah, dude, um, we'll talk,we'll.
Uh, let's plan this out, man,because I think it'd be fucking
rad to to bring you along thesecurity hall team.
For next year's.
I made a commitment.
We going to do two brutalthings every year, one at the
(40:12):
beginning of the year, one atthe end of the year, and we're
going to always do the SavageLoop as a team.
So next year's Savage Loop islike this is the first year, it
was brutal and now we're back inthe training mode for it and
we're trying to bring in as manypeople as we can onto the
(40:33):
security hall team.
I'd like to roll deep.
I'm talking like at least fivepeople like to see five, five
people join up.
We got three so far.
If Nicholas Allen joins us,we'd have four.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
That motherfucker's down for anything.
You know he's like oh fuck, youknow, can I wear a lesson room
operator's t-shirt?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
he'll hold himself out for anything further.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
The brand you want to collaborate, sure fuck yeah me.
I mean, fuck, that soundsterrible it is.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
It is, but in the best of ways.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It's always fun everybody who says that about
running for fucking 80 miles,it's like.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
It's so exhilarating like fuck dude, I gotta take a
dump yeah, but the cool thing iswhat I, what I, what I would
like to do next year it's yeah,yeah, you shit your pants and
then, uh, when you're done, wedo a full podcast afterwards
with uh some of the folks thatuh competed in it.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So, um, yeah, we gotta do it.
I got my.
I'm not gonna announce it nowbecause then somebody will
fucking jump out there and beatme to it, but the I do have my
fitness project.
That's top secret that I'mworking on it.
We're getting.
We're getting close to beingable to record.
I think somewhere in june orjuly we're going to record and
(41:46):
post it and my goal for the yearis I want to have a million
view video and what I'm gonna do, I think I'll get there.
Uh, so I I didn't find, haven'tfound anybody that's done it.
Um, very excited about it anduh, hopefully people are gonna
be like that's how that thatlooks pretty tough, so we'll see
, but yeah, it's hard to findstuff that pushes.
(42:08):
it's hard to find stuff thatpushes the envelope.
With this stuff People are like, oh, that's impressive, so I'll
find my little thing and try onit.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, yeah.
We have to collaborate on somebig brand ideas and I got to
bring you into the fold of whatwe're planning for our soft
creators conference.
Yeah, I think it'll be up youralley, I think you'll enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I think you and I have the same thing.
I had a similar idea in my headthat I wanted to talk to you
about, but I figured you hadsomething already going.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah.
Well we're not going to tellyou guys.
Obviously, on this podcast youhave to wait.
This is great radio here, Greatradio.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Just two people alluding to things like we're in
the hallway like talking aboutASO level three bullshit that
doesn't fucking exist and youdon't get to know about it until
it's ready to pop, you don'tget to know about it.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Nicholas Allen, Lesser.
Known Operators.
Where can we find your podcastand get your insights on a daily
basis?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Everywhere that you guys listen to podcasts Spotify,
youtube, apple PodcastsRemember to like, subscribe,
share and pass it along to yourfriends at Lesser Known
Operators everywhere.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Hell yeah, dude.
Thank you so much for joiningus today and to everybody
listening, do me a favor, I'llpause right now.
I'll wait it to the very endagain.
Do me a favor, I'm going to bedramatic.
Take off the glasses, go onSpotify, apple Podcasts,
youtubes.
Leave us a like, share, sharean episode.
Leave us a comment or two.
I don't know Whatever you wantto put on there.
Denny fucking sucks fuckingglasses today.
(43:51):
He's a fucking boner.
A chode.
Write that.
You know what.
Just write chode on one of theeither podcasts, the
descriptions of the episodes, oron YouTube.
Whatever you want, do it please.
Algorithm will help push thatepisode along and help me grow,
and I'll be forever grateful foryou, everybody listening.
Thank you for tuning in.
We'll see you all next time.
(44:31):
Until then, and updates, andremember we get through this
together.
If you're still listening, theepisode's over.
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