From Massage Therapist to Cybersecurity Expert: Embracing Career Transitions and Hands-On Learning

Imagine a world where the unexpected can lead you down a whole new career path, and you're more than ready to embrace it. That's exactly what our guest, Jason Rojas, experienced when he transitioned from a 20-year career as a massage therapist to the fascinating world of IT and cybersecurity. In this riveting episode, we not only hear about Jason's incredible journey but also explore the challenges of learning a new career path and the importance of having a strong support system.

Did you know that hands-on learning can be crucial for those with OCD and ADHD? We dive deep into this topic, sharing personal experiences and discussing how hands-on learning has been a key factor in our success. Furthermore, we discuss the importance of soft skills in the IT and cybersecurity industries and how they can sometimes be more valuable than technical education.

As we wrap up this episode, we take a moment to ponder the significance of finding your 'why.' Having a strong enough reason to pursue your goals can make or break your success, especially when faced with obstacles along the way. We also touch on the importance of giving back to the community and embracing our cyber warrior family. Don't miss out on this inspiring conversation with Jason Rojas and the chance to win some amazing TryHackMe vouchers for our live viewers!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And we're back with another amazing episode of
Security Happy Hour.
That's right, it is me, theCyber Warrior.
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There it is the official soundSecurity happy hour kicking off

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and we are in it to win it.
And with me I have my amazingguest this evening, jason Rojas.
Jason, how you doing thisevening, brother?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I'm doing great, my man.
I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know what?
this whole family, the warriorfamily that we have established,
from Andrea to Adrian, to Misha, to Javier James, Kari, is that
your wife in the chat today?
I got a sale.
Rojas, that's there.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's the oldlady, Aha.

(01:41):
Okay her shout out Nice, we gotNatalie in the house, so all the
warriors are showing up.
Let's keep sharing.
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to be here, you got to be inchat.
It's the way the party rollsthis evening.
I was saying that, jason,before we get started and we
talk about the topic at handbecause we all know forced
transitions can be difficultgive us a little rundown, a

(02:02):
little back story on how you gotinto IT and cybersecurity.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, let's see, the pandemic was a wonderful thing
to force me into.
I was actually.
my back story is I was actuallya massage therapist for 20
years.
So I was doing that.
I was working at a place calledStretch Lab and I told my wife
you know I'm thinking of achange, you know, body's kind of
breaking not necessarilybreaking down, but it's like.

(02:29):
You know, i can only do thisfor so long.
I'm mid 40s.
It's like, okay, do I reallywant to keep doing massage?
and then the pandemic happens.
Everything shut down.
I was working at a place forthree weeks, literally three
weeks, doing massage and theyfinally said, nope, the world
lost its mind.
So I decided, okay, what'sstable out there?

(02:50):
And I had not listened to thebest piece of advice.
You know of the sage wisdom ofthe old man My dad told me for
years get into IT, get intocomputers, you know.
So I did.
I finally listened, i went to,i did my computer career and I
got some great information.
I learned a lot.
It's honestly been the besttransition.

(03:11):
It's taken a little bit, butyou know you definitely, you
definitely learn a lot aboutyourself as you're going along
the way.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, definitely for sure, And that's, you know, a
big kicker.
Anybody that's transitioninglater in their career is always
going to have some roadblocksand some stumbling blocks and
things like that that they'regoing to have to overcome.
So, being able to accomplishthat and get to where you're at
today and I know you've stillgot some growing to do I know
you're still trying to make yourway And I'm sure you were
really successful as a massagetherapist but now, kind of

(03:40):
transitioning, you're kind of,you know, at one of those points
in and that's where yoursupport system comes in, like
your wife and things like that.
That's like, all right, we'regoing to have to take a hit, or
I might have to go to work or Imight have to do something, but
we'll make it work until we canget to where we want to be.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, absolutely.
It definitely is a humblingexperience, like you said.
you know I was.
I was at a point in my careerlike you said I was I was
definitely doing good things.
you know I was working and Iloved what I do.
It was easy And you know Idefinitely have helped a lot of
people.
like you know, you touchpeople's lives in real ways and
you're like I never imaginedthat right, doing, doing just

(04:15):
physical touch and being therefor somebody, even just
listening, and just the humblingaspect of changing and now,
okay, i'm not at the top where Iused to be And I, you know,
don't like that aspect of notnecessarily knowing everything
and being good instantly right.
You know it definitely.
it definitely makes you take astep back and take stock and be

(04:35):
like okay, just take your time,let's work through it, keep,
keep plugging away.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, definitely.
So, before we dig it anyfurther, we need to come up with
a hashtag this evening for usto do this giveaway.
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chat, in the live chat That'sthe reason you got to be here It
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people.
So, jason, give us a hashtag toput into the chat this evening

(05:05):
to use for this giveaway.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Let's see.
Let's see what we got.
Let's see what we got.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
What are you thinking ?
What are you thinking?
I put it in the chat, Oh youput it in the private chat, all
right, all right, hashtag nextgeneration All right.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Hashtag next generation people.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
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You will then put this into thechat and this is how you get
entered into a chance to winTriHackMe vouchers.
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(05:53):
generation.
I'll just start doing thatStart collecting comments.
We got four entries so far, sowe do have time to give away.
Make sure that you just bringmore people in.
Let's get this drawing up andI'll let it run for a little
while Probably about a half houror so and then we'll do the
drawing.
Now, saying that Whole topic inthis conversation is

(06:15):
transitions, and forcedtransitions at that, because we
know there are times in ourlives where certain things force
us to have to reevaluate whatwe are doing.
You have your own situation.
So, between the pandemic andeverything else going on, you
had the advantage of your debtWhere he kind of told you we

(06:36):
might want to do this, you mightwant to get an IT is the next
big thing, but it was still aforced transition.
You still had to find somethingnew to do.
How was it dealing with that?
dealing with the situation ofthe shutdown for the pandemic?
And now I got to find a way towork and bring in money, and I
don't know shit about you knowIT at this point in time, except

(06:57):
for what you had learned onyour own, probably previously,
fixing computers or doingwhatever you did.
So how was that transition andhow did you kind of you know
work your way through it?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
You know, i honestly didn't know very much to begin
with.
I mean, i knew enough fromvideo games, i knew enough from
messing around with Americaonline and computers then right,
but I didn't really know likeall the transition stuff and all
the networking and the UDP andthe TCP and the ports and all
this other shit, right, it waslike that was, that was like

(07:30):
almost information overload anda couple, you know, some of the
days it was like wow, i don't, idon't think I can do this, i
can't study anymore, i can'tlook at another computer screen,
you know, trying to learnanother hundred different
acronyms that mean threedifferent things for three
different acronyms.
So it just was, it just was,you know, just one of those
things where you had to say youknow what I got to throw myself

(07:53):
into it.
I can't just not do it, youknow.
And, like you said, i mean Icouldn't go back to certain
things, like definitely didn'twant to go back to massage
because there was so manystipulations and so many
regulations now because of COVIDthat you have to go through.
That just didn't make it safefor the client, let alone you.
Like I was trying to go work fora place and my wife, sarah.

(08:14):
She's even a massage therapist.
We went to go interview forthis place and they were going
to have us clean with this stuffthat was so cost it D that you
couldn't leave it on the paintlong enough for it to like do
anything because it would peelthe paint.
But yet you want me to cleanwith this on the table, the face
cradle and all this other shitand then layer upon layer and

(08:39):
eventually, you know, the clientsuffocates because they can't
breathe, right?
So you know it just made moresense to come to a new, to a new
area that was going to be waymore secure, you know, way more
stable and have way morelongevity down the road.
I mean, i could keep doing thisfor another 30 years, right,
you know.
So it just it was one of thosecome to, come to terms with the

(09:03):
end of a career and you knowthis is the next chapter.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, And I think that's one of the biggest things
.
Right, you know, i've got afriend right now in chat.
You know me and her have beentalking offline and trying to do
a lot of different things and Ilook at the pandemic the same
way.
I do look at, like, injuriesright, i'm broken.
Now I'm lucky enough that I cankind of handle the pain and you

(09:27):
know, don't get me wrong, beerhelps when I'm doing this show,
hey, but I'm broken.
I can't do manual labor, like Icouldn't go be in construction
or anything like that.
And I've got a friend that usedto do blue collar work that is
now like I need somethingbecause she's broken.
And so you have to look atthese four transitions like how
do I make a career out ofsomething when I'm so used to

(09:48):
doing something else, when thisis something that I've loved
doing?
Now I've got to find somethingnew that interests me and things
of that nature.
But you said it right in thebeginning in IT and in
cybersecurity, especially whenyou're learning these
foundations, the acronyms andlet's be honest, it and cyber
comes from military.
They're the ones that have,like, developed everything.

(10:08):
So acronyms are huge in ourindustry And so even me, coming
from the military, struggledwith some of the acronyms.
I got people throwing shit outthere that I'm just like homie,
what's, what's what?
what are you saying?
Like I don't, I don't know thatone.
Can you please explain?
And I've been in this field,you know, 15 plus years, 20
years.
So it's one of those things thatyou look at And it is.

(10:31):
It's one of those you have tocome to terms with.
Okay, a, i can't do what I usedto do And it sucks.
I really wish I could, but wegot to close that chapter of our
life.
We have to.
We have to close that chapterand move on to the next.
So what's this next one goingto be?
And when you look at that nextchapter, you can choose to
embrace it or you can let itbeat you down.

(10:54):
And as we embrace these things,i'm not going to say and I got
another friend here right nowwho said he couldn't do digital
forensics as a job He does itfor fun at a hobby and he loves
it as a job I think I'd hit it.
You ain't wrong man.
I'm not going to say that,chris.
So I look at it as you have tobe able to Just understand that

(11:18):
it's going to be a new.
You have to love what you do.
It's gonna be a new chapter,but you have to love what you do
.
And so for my friends and thosethat are in, you know the pagan
community and the pagan projectthat I've been dealing with
recently, you know I've talked alot about it.
You know just coming togetheras a community, that is what
we're trying to do there andwhat I've been doing with cyber

(11:39):
warrior studios for so long.
And Guess what?
I'm gonna help you find a waynow.
If you don't enjoy it, i'm notgonna tell you to stick around.
I'm gonna help you learn it.
I'm gonna do the best I can tohelp you get through it.
But if, at the end of the day,you realize, you know what, this
just isn't for me And that'scool, because you're gonna hate
your life if you do somethingthat you don't want to do like
you're working a job and youhate it.

(12:01):
You're gonna be miserable, and Inever want that for people.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, you don't want to live with that resentment of
did I make the right choice?
Am I doing this just for themoney?
right?
I've actually gotten caught inthat trap where I was Working
with the company I am now and Ijumped ship to go to another
place just for the money, justbecause It was gonna help the
family out.
You know You don't want to.
You don't want to look back andsay, wow, i did that for the

(12:25):
wrong reason or I'm not in thisbecause you know, i know it's
gonna be good for me.
You know, like you said, theforce transition or whatever it
is, you know you can't do whatyou used to do.
You know I mean I could havegone back into the restaurant
business, gone in the kitchen,slave the way for six, eight
hours in the kitchen, done abunch of stuff or weighted
tables, but you know it takesaway from the family.
That's not as, that's not asconsistent.

(12:48):
Right, there's there's a partof the evolution and the
adaptation of growth and theexperience that comes with.
You know, being at my point inlife, you know you got to say
okay, what?
what's really gonna benefit mein the long run?
What's gonna help my family,what's gonna be a good example
for the kids.
And you know how can I be abenefit to the community?

(13:09):
I tell you, man, i'm when Ifound, when I found you, and
That I think it was like thefirst couple weeks you actually
asked me to be on the show andI'll be honest, i was like I
don't, i don't, i don't know.
But now, after watching you andseeing you know How you carry

(13:31):
yourself and everybody that's inthis, in your world, i'm I'm
glad I did, i'm glad I didn'tjump out and say you know what,
i'm just gonna do my own thing.
You know it makes a hugedifference when you have people
saying come on, come with me.
You know, yeah, you're old andyou're learning, but you know
come with me.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I hope my dad passes CEH at 50 some years old, like I
Was in the army, and he is like, hey, i need to do something
new.
I'm gonna go through collegeand let's go to this, you know
certification program togetherand I let's go and I help Them
to get through that.
Age means nothing.
Race, gender, sex, whatever, i,whatever you want to put on, it
means absolutely nothing to me.

(14:08):
There is a reason I Refer toeverybody as warriors and it's
because guess what to be in thisindustry and how?
just to survive in this world,you have to fight every single
day.
But you got to love what you do, because the moment you don't
love what you do, not onlyyou've beaten yourself down
because, oh, i gotta get up andgo to work in the morning.
Then you're taking that stress,that anxiety, all that home

(14:32):
with you and now at home,especially for yourself.
Jason, myself, i got a wife andfive kids, and you know other
everybody else in chat, whetheryou're alone or got kids or got
a spouse or whatever The casemay be, you're taking that home
with you.
So that's stressing, thatanxiety is weighing on you ever
even more.
We have enough issues withdepression and anxiety and
mental health right now,especially in our industry, with

(14:54):
burnout.
You don't need to hate your jobtoo, because it just adds on top
of everything else, and sothat's that's why these force
transitions.
You have to really enjoy it.
You have to enjoy.
I hate documentation.
Anyone want to do that for me?
I don't, because I hatedocumentation to Griffin, but

(15:15):
I'm sure there's someone outthere that loves it.
I believe I've had them on theshow.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I don't mind documentation, you know, i like
writing a story.
I like being thorough.
If being in this industry beinglike working at the data center
.
I like being the remote hands,because I'm actually racking in,
stack and I'm doing things Ilike.
I like the OCD part of likePutting a server in and cabling
and making sure it's all lookingnice, because you know.
You know how it is when you'rein the data center.

(15:42):
You, whoever the stooge wasbefore you, all of a sudden you
got noodles and can we burn thisthing down?
Can we start over?
Did?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
you see Kev text post .
I think it was like today oryesterday.
Oh, i don't know if you put iton LinkedIn, so it was
definitely on Twitter.
I don't know if it was onLinkedIn.
It's that old-school one whereyou have the data center and
it's just all these yellowcables that are just like it
literally just looks like Like awall yellow.
Yeah and you're looking at it,going no, and the whole joke was
hey, we're gonna go tell JoeHe's gonna go and have to fix

(16:10):
this cable.
And you're looking at it andit's like I told Kev.
I was like yo, dude, i'm gonnasay okay, i'm gonna go in there,
i'm gonna go to sleep, i'mgonna come back out and like I
couldn't find it, sorry.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
That or there's gonna be a structure, accidental
structure fire Right.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I might just take something, throw something metal
and like a socket or something,real quick, let it all go on
fire, it'll be alright.
But, yes, it's crazy.
So You know for you and in yoursituation, i think you you kind
of got lucky right because yourdad had already pushed you and
kind of said I'd see was thething.

(16:51):
So for those that during thepandemic or because they're
broken, that are looking andtransitioning, you know how, how
can they go about finding theirway?
How can they go about reallyfiguring out, a whether or not
this is for them, and, if and B,how do you even get to that
point?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You know, that's a great question.
Honestly, if I were to telllike, say, for example, i don't
know my son And he, i have a sonwho's 20.
If he were to say, dad, youknow, what am I gonna do.
You know, I don't want to dothis, i don't know that.
Or what do you do?
So get on YouTube, get onLinkedIn, start watching some
videos, start checking out somepeople, see what they do.
Like you know, network check isfunny, motherfucker, and he is

(17:36):
nothing but entertainment.
But he's got a wealth ofinformation.
He can make it, he can give you, you know, a Direction, will
follow me watching you.
I mean, you could definitelygive somebody, you know, that
inspiration, that motivation tobe like okay, what do you want
to do?
You know?
I would say, you know, justFind your interest, if it's it,
if it's, you know, be a gardener, being the best landscaper, you

(17:58):
know.
Whatever Selling solar panels,find, find what it is you want
to do if it's in this industry,find that niche, because I tell,
i tell my other son Is, i will,dad, you're in it.
What do you?
what do you want?
Well, it is this huge umbrellaAnd you got all these little
fingers dangling down likelights, like you know, those

(18:19):
icicle Christmas lights.
Okay, you can do this, you cando this, you this, you can do
this, you can do this, you canfind your way.
You just got to, you know, findthat little nugget and that
little crumb that says, hmm,okay, i like that.
What?
let's go down that rabbit holeand see what comes up.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, well, you know, you just got to find what
speaks to you, you know so letme ask you a question Do you
have either diagnosed orundiagnosed ADHD or OCD or
anything like that?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I can't confirm or deny your allegations, sir.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I only ask because I I swear, i do, i swear I've
undiagnosed ADHD, especiallywhen it comes to learning like
from a book, and I've discussedthis on previous episodes,
because I have an entirebookshelf two bookshelves
actually, actually.
It's filled with one, two,three, so technically, three
shelves are full of computerbooks, and this is how it ends
up.

(19:09):
I start reading squirrel, findanother great So reading
squirrel, find another book.
I Have yet to make it through anentire book, with the exception
of Linux basics for hackers,and the only reason I made it
through that book was because Idid a video series on it and had
to finish it.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
That's the only reason why.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I'm good about finishing books.
I have more of the obsessive,compulsive.
Okay, it's got to be exact.
No, i can't know.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
no, No, I'm right.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yep, oh my god.
If it like, if something's outof place like the wife, she'll
tell you yeah, no, he has ADHD.
But at the same time my OCD islike.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
There we go.
He is very OCD I.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Love you babe.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
So what I need to do is I just need to have you over
to my house.
You can come walk into mybasement.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
At all.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
For this I would have gone into house cleaning.
People would be like paying mebuckets of money.
I Love cleaning my mother's.
My mother Instilled it in melike she would have us cleaning
on the hands and knees withscrub brush.
What 409 spray and Toothbrushin the grout and everything else

(20:28):
military, whatever right yougot to get the job done.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
But it is, and so that's why I look at things.
And so we've got my frienddiagnosed ADHD visual, hands-on
Conversion learner.
A me too, i'm very visual andhands-on.
That's how I learned.
Also have a pile of partiallyread books, and that's the thing
, right, learning on my own bybooks.
I can't do it right, put me ina classroom, give me hands-on,
give me something I could touchand feel and learn and grow All

(20:54):
day.
But if you sit here and tell me, oh, you got to watch this
online, this video online, oryou got to read this book, or
just at there, i'm gonna look atit and go.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
What's going on on Twitter today?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Oh you know, let me scroll through tick tock.
Oh, let me go look up somethingdifferent, like I can't it.
Just my brain, just it just.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
No, i mean I in that aspect, yeah, like I, i
definitely need hands-on.
Like I got a small little labon the laptop right now.
I'm trying to get some moneytogether to build a rig so I can
have a little like actual homelab and stuff and Get some stuff
together so I can actuallystart putting together my own
little rack and stuff.
You know, like you said, i meanyou got to have that hands-on.
You can't just be read, watch,read, watch and no, do you know

(21:38):
It's.
It goes hand-in-hand.
You got to be able to put intopractice the theory.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, and we got my friend Chris.
My OCD is so bad.
my money used to be facing theright way and in order from one
to 100.
Funny enough, mine was the sameway For years.
I learned how to do my moneyAnd then the way you folded
money.
if you didn't put it in awallet, you would fold it with
the ones out, because then ifsomebody went to take your or if
you went to go pull out yourmoney, it just looked like you
had ones And so you could pullout whatever, but, yes, one all

(22:07):
left to 100.
Stacked neatly all the facesfacing the exact same way and
it's face forward.
like I was so bad with that.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
One hundred percent Chris.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
My OCD would kick in with my Blue Rays, dvds and my
games.
They all had to be title and itcouldn't be mixed.
I couldn't do DVD, blue Raygame no, no, no, no.
Dvds, then Blue Rays, thengames or games came first, but
either way, it was basically byage of what had come out.
So if I, you know, dvds hadbeen out for a while, but if I

(22:37):
had another game that was like,or if I had a console that came
out before DVDs, that consolewas before those DVDs, like in
my mind.
And so when I had kids, oh myGod, so my oldest, not too bad,
really didn't mess with my stuff, but as I had more, oh, yeah,

(23:00):
I'd come home and my wife wouldbe sitting there as my kids.
Just I'm going, babe, she goes,oh it's fine, there's just no,
babe, you don't understand whatthis does to me, cause you're
going to sit there and you'rejust going to put them all back
up there And I'm going to lookat it and I'm going to lose my
shit because they're not.

(23:21):
I can't find anything, i don'tknow.
No, so I'm going to have to gothrough and reorganize the
entire thing.
So that is my OCD is like.
when it comes to my stuff,especially like anything I got
to take care of games, computers, books that are mine.
There's an order, There's areason, there's a purpose.
Everything has a place.

(23:42):
Don't give me, start it on mydesk.
My desk is organized, chaos,but my things that are on a
shelf, there's a reason foreverything, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
No, and I got one better for you.
The closet is arranged by color.
Like my closet is arranged bycolor.
It goes white, yellow, blue,red or no.
White yellow, orange, red, blue, gray, black and then pants.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So initially mine was .
I think my wife actually set itup that way for me.
But then I'm lazy and I'mimpatient and I hate putting
clothes away.
I have to despise it.
So, like all my wife, i love mywife's death.
She will sit there, do all thelaundry, but she ain't gonna put

(24:33):
your shit away.
And put your clothes away I betI will.
I grab all the hangers, pusheverything aside, throw it up
there, walk out, because I neverleft to look at it again until
I need to go in there the nextmorning and find a new shirt.
Then I'm just like, yep, thisone will work, all right, cool.
So for me, like I think aboutit and when I'm actually looking

(24:54):
for things, yes, it frustratesme that I did not redo it all
Because like, hey, let's say I'mlooking for this hoodie or the
t-shirt that I'm wearing oranother t-shirt that I have, and
I know what I wanna wear thatday and I can't find it, oh,
cool.
So frustrating because I know Idid it to myself, right, with
one of those things where you'relike I know I did this to
myself.
I'd love to yell at somebody.

(25:14):
I might as well just go look ina mirror.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, That's the same thing.
You look around.
who did this?
Wait, that was me.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.
So, yeah, it's great.
That's why I asked that,because it is, i think it's part
of this community.
I do, i think, part of theCybertz community.
I would venture a guest andthis is just a random ass number
, i'm just starting out there,but I would venture a guest.

(25:43):
87% of our community has someform of autism, adhd, ocd or
something.
They are on some type of mentalspectrum somewhere, because
we're all fucked up in the head.
Every single one of us, in someway, shape or form, is fucked
up in the head.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Absolutely.
But that's what makes usperfect Exactly Is our
imperfections.
We're perfectly imperfect.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Precisely, and you know what?
We're the best damn people forthe job.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Hell yes, hell yes.
I may be scattered brain, butyou know what, when I get
focused, we'll go.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh, that's the biggest thing, man.
My wife used to hate it BecauseI'd go there.
I was going for my CPTCertified Pentester by IACRB,
right, and they did kind of likewhat do you call it?
Kind of like your LSEP.

(26:35):
Only there wasn't a ton ofmachines, you had a month and it
was hey, here's two boxes, findall the vulnerabilities, break
in, get root, get system on bothand write a report.
And you had 30 days to do it.
All right, bet.
Every day, from the time thekids went to bed until I got way
too tired to think, i was infront of that damn computer.
And actually you're lucky if Iwaited until the kids went to

(26:57):
bed.
There were nights I'd literallycome home from work instead of
the computer.
But I figured this shit out.
I know this is what I need touse.
Fucking work, fucking work.
And my wife's like what isgoing on.
I'm like this is supposed towork.
I know this is what I need todo and it's not working Right,
get away from me, boys, i'm notRight.
She's like babe, you might wantto say no, no, i'm gonna figure

(27:20):
this out.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm not going to bed yet, mom.
I mean, babe, i'm not tired.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Leave me alone.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So yeah, you're gonna juice box.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I'm gonna juice box.
Put it in a beer can, so Ithink it's alcohol.
Please, please, just put it in.
Give me the juice.
I don't need any more alcohol.
Just put a juice box in a beercan.
I'll be okay, my mind won'tregister.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I'm not gonna be able to drink a beer.
I'm telling you, man, some days, you know, like you said, you
want to just figure it out, Youwant to get it.
You want to get into it sobadly that sometimes it's better
just to walk away, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, and we've talked, I've talked to people
about that.
You got to walk away.
You have to Absolutely In allyour education everything you've
done Yeah, How many times hasbeaten your head against the
keyboard actually worked It?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
It honestly just works It has worked for you.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Taking a break, going and doing something else,
clearing your mind, like for me.
When I can, i go playbasketball.
We have a school just down theroad.
I'll go shoot free throws foran hour by myself.
You just got to go, you know, gofuck off, play video games, go,
whatever you do.
You know, go walk the dogs, goplay house with the wife,
whatever right, just take yourmind off of it.

(28:41):
Yeah, You know.
But sometimes, you know, it'slike a bad analogy Turner and
Hooch when the girl he's datingsays, you know, sometimes you
just got to walk away from himand bam, it'll hit you.
They're in the kitchen and he'slike, oh my God, bam, it never
happened before.
It just hits like lightning, hegoes up the house.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's like, okay, you know, once you just relax and
let go The worst part about itis for me is my brain kicks into
overdrive at night, meaningI'll go to lay down in bed and
this is why I have other thingsthat I'm working on.
But I'll go to lay down in bedand then all of a sudden, my
brain goes hey, you thought youwere going to sleep, no, no.

(29:28):
No, that problem you've beenhaving all day, right?
I just figured it out for you,right?
Do I get out of bed?
do I go to the computer andactually do it?
And I sit there and it just goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, And
I'm like I really need to just,but I don't want to get out of
bed because I'm comfortable.
What the hell.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
See, I'm the opposite , I'll be when I, when I get to
that point, it's like okay, I'mgood If I'm, if I'm in it and
I'll stay up.
I'll be up till like I'm sure,like you, two, three in the
morning, and then finally belike okay.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Sometimes six in the morning and you're like shit,
the sun's coming up Now.
I got to go back to work.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Now I don't get to get away from this.
I got to keep going.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Wife, been wife, been yelling at you all night.
Babe, just get.
It's like playing Call of Duty.
Give me, give me five minutes.
One more level, i promise Letme get one more level, it'll be
okay.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
No, five minutes later, are you coming back to
bed?
Nope, i'm sorry, i'm not.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Cyber dancer Danny in the house.
Hey, cyber dancer, what?
do you want to win One month Tryhack me?
hashtag next generation in thechat for all those that have
joined later, and, as much asyou know that whole, get you
know when to give away.
Again, it is what it is.
If that's what you want to do,it's what you want to do, but
hey, hashtag next generation.

(30:50):
Throw that in chat and we'llget your chance to win one month
of try hack me.
I'd love to see Chris doing.
I know who Christopher Jacksonis, so I'd love to see him go
back at try hack me, becausegood dude, good people.
Otherwise, though, man, forthose that are transitioning,
hard it is.

(31:11):
How did you face it as a?
How did you mentally getthrough that whole transition of
like I've got to close thischapter, like there's, i have no
other options.
This chapter has to close and Ihave to start a new one.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You know, honestly, i was, i was ready for it, like I
was looking for a reason, likeI told my wife when I was still
at this place stretch lab, youknow.
You know I want to.
I've been hearing thecommercials for my computer
career a couple of times.
You know it's always one ofthose things It comes on.
You're like OK yeah but you'restill in what you're doing.
You're like, ok, i'm not readyfor that yet.
And then, when I was, when Iwas over a lifetime doing the

(31:52):
massage and everything stopped,it's like, ok, this is This, is
it, this is my, this is my now,this is this, is it.
So when it came time to it, iwas like, ok, well, we're going
100.
It's not just oh.
Well, we waited out, you know,whatever, it's time to get, it's
time to get to the next phase.
And I was honestly ready for it,like my wife.

(32:13):
She tells me all the time I'mmore in your career, more than
you do, because you know I wouldgive her massages every, you
know, every so often.
And I was just ready.
So, you know, it wasn't reallylike a big oh, my God, i'm not
going to be this anymore.
I'm still that.
You're always going to be.
Whatever was you were before.
You're just now moving into thenext stage.

(32:35):
Right, you know you can't takeit as such a big loss of oh, my
identity is in tied up in this.
I mean, i love the way youpraise that.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm going to let you finish, not to cut you off.
Well, you finished, but I lovethe way you said that about your
identity, because me and Andreahad a conversation, not this
past Wednesday, but theWednesday before well, tuesday
before and release on Wednesdayabout identity.
So I love how you, i love howyou stated that.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, it is who you were, It is who you are.
It still is who you are.
You know, i'm always going tobe a massage therapist.
I'm always going to be, youknow, the guy that fixed
problems.
And they tell you in massageall the time You can't
necessarily fix somebody, youcan't do this, you can't do that
, you can only, you know, getmuscle to do so much.
Well, i've fixed a few peoplein my time to where they
actually come back to me and sayI couldn't do this or I can now

(33:25):
get back to normal life.
Like I had a client in Colorado.
She was hit by a drunk driver onher bicycle on a Saturday
morning, had to have fusions toa couple of like a bunch of
vertebrae.
She had to wear like a fullcorset back brace.
She'd come to see me.
I mean I couldn't do anythingon her for like the first month

(33:47):
and a half And by the end, bythe time she was healed, she had
gotten up off of the table.
You know I would work on her aslike a pregnant woman, sideline
pillows, all that stuff,because she couldn't lay face
down.
The last time I well, the lasttime I saw her at that lifetime,
she got up, she said she wasgoing to the bathroom.

(34:07):
If anybody's been to a lifetime, they're huge.
You got to walk down thehallway in front of you.
Know, by all these membershippeople go down to the restrooms
and locker rooms.
She didn't notice.
She didn't have her back braceon until she was on her way back
.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
She gets back to me, She's like, oh my God, I don't
have my back brace.
Oh my God, are you okay?
She's like, yeah, no, I feelgreat.
But you know that's part of theidentity, That's far of who I
am And that's what I can bringas far as the experience, my
identity, you know I can bringin that toolbox of what do I

(34:44):
look for, What am I, what am Iasking questions about?
Because that's the biggestthing in IT and even cyber is
you got to ask the rightquestions?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah.
And the man says I was a sportsrehab massage therapist years
ago.
I stand by.
We fix people, absolutely Noproblems.
You fix people becauseabsolutely people are who, who
are coming to you.
You're not.
You can't look at people as aresource and identity, a number
or whatever.
They're people.
they're human beings,absolutely, and they're coming

(35:14):
to you for a reason.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Absolutely No 100.
It's just, it's just like youknow, when you're doing help
desk, like Kev, you know thatman, i mean he puts it, i mean
he is the epitome of customerservice, he is the epitome of
caring what you about, what youdo, and that person on the other
line You know you got to, yougot to bring that You know, and

(35:35):
it just shows those who aregoing to be successful and those
who are going to have thatlongevity.
You know, like I said, you knowyou got to.
You got to bring that curiosityand that, that, that skill set
and that those soft skills.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
And I think that's huge right.
Those soft skills, especiallyin IT and cybersecurity, are
utterly they're.
They're an utter necessity,they really are.
And I think that can take you alot further than any technical
education will, because youfigure, once you get to a
certain point, your technicalattitude doesn't necessarily
matter.
You have to know the lingo, youknow, you need to know how to
converse and know what you'retalking about.

(36:10):
But actually being able to do,eh, not necessarily.
You just have to know how tolike, comprehend and find the
people that can do Right.
So those soft skills should begrowing in your repertoire.
And I look at it this way unlessyou want to stay technical your
entire career, the way yourskill set should work out is, as

(36:30):
your soft skills increase, yourtech skills decrease, because
by the time you get to thatpoint in your career where you
no longer can do hands ontechnical, you're in management,
you're in, you know, directorlevel and things like that.
So the technical aspect you'reno longer doing anyways, like,
let's be honest, you're nolonger doing it.

(36:50):
So I look at this and we've gota question here from Misha, so
we're definitely going to bringthat up.
I look at it this way is.
We have a situation where somany people are transitioning
into our career field.
I think a lot of them, most ofthem, are by choice.

(37:14):
The pandemic has caused a lotby force.
How many that were forced totransition?
do you think truly want to bein this field?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
And.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I'm going to say give a percentage or an average,
because we don't know numbers.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm just saying I'd like to say that everybody
that's coming into this fieldbecause they had to, isn't it
because they want to.
You know, you see, and you readthe LinkedIn's and you see the
post from different stuff, fromdifferent places And it's like,
ok, you know, you got all theseboot camps and all these things
talking about cybersecurity.
You can make six figures.

(37:59):
Come on, yeah, you caneventually.
You know, it's very, very onwhere you live based on where
you live, based on what you'redoing, based on you know what
technology you're going to be in.
Sure, absolutely.
But you don't start out.
You know, coming out, get threecertifications and make $9,500.

(38:22):
I mean, you got to find theright company.
You got to find that whitewhale.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yep, and Natalie says it here too You can be forced
into something and still fall inlove with it, and this is very
true.
This is what we're getting atis that?
I think some were forced out ofnecessity Actually, many during
the pandemic were forced out ofnecessity But because they
don't have that love for it,that passion for it.
They just saw all theadvertisements and the boot
camps and the quick trainingsAnd, oh, we'll get you a job in

(38:48):
three months.
And this is a third Right.
They don't actually love it,they're just doing it for the
money.
Or they thought it was going tobe a quick win, right?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
But no, she brings up a good point.
You know you can get intosomething and be like, wow, this
is really tough.
But you find that toughnessbrings something out of you.
You know you get that fire.
Like she said, you know you cangrow to love it.
It's something that you know.
Once you, once you find that inyou, you're like OK, i'm not,
you could always take it as I'mnot going to let this beat me if

(39:19):
that's the case, but you canalways, you know, make it your
own.
That's the biggest thing.
You know, don't let it justdon't let it just be something
that you have to do, because nowyou need to keep a roof over
your head, The kids need new AJsand you know can have steak
every night.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And that's and that's the kicker, right, you know I
came.
I've essentially worked in ITand worked shit jobs for my
entire life, right, and up untilrecently I wasn't until 2000, i
don't know, 20, roughly 2019ish I didn't start making six

(40:03):
figures till 2019.
And, as you figure, i startedby selling computers and then I
got into desktop support andhelp desk and everything else,
did join the military and weLord knows the military don't
fucking pay six figure a year,unless you're an officer and
making you know.
At that point you're not doingany work for a living.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
So I wasn't an officer, actually worked for a
living.
And then you know you did that.
I retired my first job out ofthe army.
I was making sixty two thousanddollars a year as an IT risk
manager.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
So, technically, manager making sixty some
thousand dollars a year.
So yeah, your first jobs oryour second jobs aren't
necessarily going to be sixfigures, especially when you're
first breaking in.
You've got to be willing totake a pay cut, absolutely,
you've got to be willing toYou've got to start somewhere.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
You got to start somewhere.
You know you, everybody's gotto be that man.
low man on the totem pole.
There's a low man on the totempole for a reason because you're
the foundation.
You're the guy that's got tostart climbing and doing and
clawing Right.
If it were easy, everybodywould do it.
It's that old sports analogy,hi.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Sarah.
Oh, i mean, she was taller, astall as the door.
I figured it was Sarah, i mean.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't know That's, that's an illusion.
That's the camera angle.
It has five.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Oh, so she's not taller than you in real life.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
She wishes she was going to get above five too.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
So we do have a question here for Misha, and I
love it because Misha is finallycoming out of her shell and
actually asking a lot ofquestions during these shows.
She showed up last week.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes, she did.
Let's hear it, Misha.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
When you say, looking for a reason talking about when
you were looking for a reasonto transition or whatever kind
of when you were looking for areason to leave massage therapy
What would you tell people whenit's beyond looking for a change
because you're mad at work,versus when it is needed for you
?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So if you're going to transition because you're mad
at your industry, your job, yourprofession, that that really is
something you got to get thehell out of the camera.
Now that's the way, now that'sthe way.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Hi, there, she is How you doing.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
This is my show lady, get the hell out If you're
going to transition because youcan't do this anymore, because
if you see one more person comein here and treat you a certain
way, you're going to go postal.
You're probably not going tolike being an IT because you're
going to have people come in atyou, talking to you a certain
way and be like okay, i amactually not an idiot.

(42:37):
Thank you very much.
When you look for a reason, yougot to look for your reason.
You know it's.
It's.
It's the old adage of what'syour why?
Why are you going to change?
Why are you looking forsomething else?
What?
what about this will bring youfulfillment?
You know, is it just my happydance?

(42:59):
I see, brother, i see you word,man?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
What's your?
why That, why matters?
does that?
why is gonna carry you throughevery fucking obstacle you face?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
because that one day, that why is an every day, that
why is in today?
Yep, you got to have your why,you got to have your reason to
be like.
You know what?
I'm going to the office today.
It may be a shit show, it maybe on fire, but I'm going to the
office today to go putsomething out.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
You may only have 20% to give, but if you give a
hundred percent of that 20%,that's still more than other
people are still 120%.
So so it's one of those thingsyou got to look at like.
It's just very, very big, isvery vital, and so it's all
personal.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
It is.
It's all personal.
You know you, and I could say,hey, this is my why, this, this
should be your, why.
You know you want the kids tohave certain Out.
You know outcome you want tohave a certain house, you want
to be able to provide certainthings, you want to have certain
things.
But you know, when it comesdown to it, everybody's why is
different.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
It's like a fingerprint yep, and It's all
individual and so It's like Italk about and I love it because
I got it down here.
I'm Asia put it up because shelistens to my other podcast.
You know what's your why.
It's all about Your path, yourjourney, everything about you,
and that's what I think we getaway from right.

(44:24):
When we look at things like thiscareer, transitioning or
anything along those lines,already them in life in general,
we want to kind of alignourselves to somebody else.
We want to say, oh, i want to belike this person, i idolize
this person, this person's myhero and da, da, da, da, da.
When the reality of it is, itis your journey, it is your path
, it is your trail to walk.
So your why has to be strongenough to get you over that

(44:46):
obstacle, whatever it is.
It could be a damn mountain infront of you, but if you cannot
climb it because your why is notstrong enough, because you're
gonna get Two feet up and likeI'm tired, i can't do this shit
no more Then guess what your whyisn't strong enough?
We need to figure out what thehell your why is, because that
isn't gonna cut it.
We're gonna keep on pressingand I'm gonna push your ass up,
but you need to help your whyneeds to be strong enough so

(45:09):
that when I do kick you in theass, you go up another 30 yards,
like that's the way it needs tobe, absolutely and so that's
why your why is so vital forwhen you're transitioning?
Why are you transitioning Andnot necessarily why are you
transitioning?
Why are you choosing theindustry you're choosing to go
into?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Why did this?
why did this resonate with you?
Why is this where you want toput your energy, your time, you
know your effort into what?
why?
Why is this your place?
You know correct, where do youwant to go with this?
Yeah, that's, that's anotherquestion, you know you.
I mean you can go through thewhole Who, what, why, when,

(45:49):
where, how.
But realistically it's got tobe because you want to.
You know, a thousand milejourney starts with a step.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
If you're an elephant , One bite at a time.
Yeah, I heard daddy.
I heard that years ago and itstill sticks with me to this day
.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's true, it's true.
I mean, you can come up with anumber of adages, right like
there's a, there's a favorite.
One of mine is like an oldJapanese adage, and you know, a
guy's talking to a Karate senseiwhy are you teaching me how to
be a warrior?
blah, blah, blah.
Or why are you teaching meMarshall, alex?
what when I'm gonna use this?
well, wouldn't you rather be awarrior in a garden than a

(46:30):
gardener in a war?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
And as, but that goes back to a lot of things when
you look at it.
I Would rather have and notneed the need to not have
absolutely.
Absolutely so.
We have another very importantquestion here from Esha.
And who?
Who?
she got another one.
She's on fire.
Oh, this one, who?
this one will touch home,speaking of taking a pay cut,

(46:54):
what you say to people who can'tafford to take a pay cut but
want to get into the field.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
That.
That's.
That's a tough one.
That's.
That's gonna be one of those.
That's gonna be one of thosegut checks.
That's gonna be about thedesire.
How bad do you want it?
Do you want it bad enough thatyou're gonna take that pay cut
and go do a side hustle, go dosome door dash, go do some insta
cart, go wait tables, go, youknow, wash windows, whatever

(47:23):
right Are you willing to put inthe work?
That's a.
That's another part of the why.
That's another part of the.
Looking in inside and you know,just turning it inside and
saying, okay, is it?
am I, is this worth it?
Am I worth doing this?
am I worth taking this pay cutand putting in the blood, sweat

(47:44):
and tears?
That?
That's really what I got.
that's what I would tellanybody and that's the thing
right.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
So when we look at this, you have to look at it
from a sense of what is yourfuture outlook, and William
Bailey, my buddy here, who'sbeen on the show before, is your
current field of dead end.
So taking a pay cut now isworth it in the long term, and
that's the way I envision itright.
So you know, when I got out ofthe army I ain't gonna lie I was

(48:11):
like oh, i've got all thesecertifications, i got all this,
i'm gonna make it up.
You making six figures easy,like there's no problem.
And I just shit didn't happen.
It took two jobs in a race tofinally get there, and So it
took me three or four yearsRetired out of the army.
It took me four years fromretiring to finally hit six

(48:33):
figures, and that's with My CIS,sp, my degree, a bunch of other
certifications.
I had the goddamn alphabet,like you name it.
I had it and still I was notmaking six figures.
It took me about four yearsafter retiring.
So When people look at this, iget it.
It's gonna look bleak andyou're gonna be like shit, i

(48:56):
can't afford this.
Guess what I hate to say it cutyour Netflix, cut your Hulu,
cut your peacock, cut your cable, keep your internet because you
need that to actually do yourjob, absolutely but cut
everything you can and live atthe bare minimum.
And, misha, you should notice,you should be able to live at
the bare, bare, bare minimumbecause, mean, you have
discussed this before And I knowwhere you come from, girl, if

(49:18):
you can't live in a woods, wegot issues mean, you're gonna
have another furtherconversation, but You know it's
one of those things where Youshould be able to cut back until
you get to where you want to be.
Once you get comfortable, i amfinally at a point in my career
now.
So you figure 2017, it is now2023.

(49:39):
So six years Took me six yearsafter retiring to be comfortable
where I'm at.
I finally have a house, i havea mortgage and I'm not looking
at it going shit.
Am I gonna be able to affordfood this week?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
right.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Like it took me that long?
no, granted, i got a wife andfive kids, so it took me a lot
more money to get to that point.
But I also had to cut back on alot of things.
There's things in this channelthat I no longer do because I
couldn't afford it Right,because I was looking at it
going.
I can't afford a hundreddollars a month on this, i can't
afford $50 a month on this, ican't afford this on that right.
So I had a look at it, was like, oh yeah, i'll be good.
Like when I first thought,because I thought the money was

(50:15):
gonna start coming in I hadThousand two thousand some
subscribers.
I thought buy me a coffee andall these things gonna roll in,
and and it just never happened.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I was like no, my dear guys.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
You should have waited till you had the money
before you spent the money.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Now you have that perspective of saying, okay, i'm
glad I had I went through thatbecause you had that little
scare.
And you know, when you look atit, like you said, six years I
mean that that's a small priceto pay for the sacrifice of that
time.
To now be where you are.
That's, that's the, that's theother thing the return on
investment of the sacrifice ofwhat you're gonna need to do In

(50:51):
order to be at a place where youcan do what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, yeah for sure, and that's and that's it, and
bill X said it And in Mishaco-signed it sacrifice now for
benefit later, and that's reallyultimately what it comes down
to.
We're so materialistic as asociety, it's all.
I'm gonna step off of mycybersecurity soapbox for a
minute.
I'm gonna get to my walk withme soapbox, which is a great

(51:15):
podcast.
You haven't listened to it yet.
Or catch the money on YouTube.
Please go do 37 episodes out sofar.
You're gonna love it.
But I Gotta do it, man.
I gotta plug everything.
But no, you know, we are somaterialistic as a society.

(51:38):
We, we got to have the coolestshit.
We got to have the ps5s, theTVs, the, the Netflix, the
internet, the Macbooks, theiPhones, the Galaxy, the newest
phone, the newest everything,and, and.
So we have decided that we'rejust gonna spend all our fucking
money on bullshit.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Oh no, I can't tell you how often I'm like you know,
could I, could I do?
I want that.
Yeah, Do I need it?
not necessarily do I have themoney for it right now.
No.
So why am I gonna put myself inhawk over something that I
actually am gonna be okay livingwithout?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I've done it.
I've looked at it like you knowwhat?
I Got a credit card.
I got a good limit, we'll beall right, right Payments on
that damn thing.
It'll be okay.
Now I look at it and I'm like Ireally want this.
You know what this one programsays yeah, campaign, it's like a
spider or whatever thatbullshit is they have on

(52:31):
different websites.
I'm like, yeah, let's apply.
They look at my credit likeyou're funny.
Oh, you want to get shit.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
You're the cautionary tale, sir.
This is why we don't rent giveto you.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I'm like I pay my bills on time to like yeah, yeah
, but you, you always dead.
Max amount again, right?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
History is what they call it.
So gets paid, just saying it'snot in a timely fashion that you
want, but it's right Like deal.
You believe would say when youknow one of the joke jokes You
know you hate when those billcollectors call up So when can
we expect payments?
So you can expect paymentanytime.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Don't get it when I have it, but you're not gonna
get it when you want it.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I'm just right, right , it's like you know.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
So, look, we are at 753, my time 1953.
If you're military or priormilitary and understand what
that is.
We got 14 entries in thedrawing, so I am going to give
you two more minutes.
I've got 21 people, that itsays, are currently watching
this.
Now that might be the sameperson watching on multiple
things, but that's okay.

(53:42):
We want to do down in thebanner We're gonna put it up
here Where to go.
Hashtag next generation what?
has next generation.
Down below, here, in about twominutes, we will do a drawing.
The more the merrier, and ifyou want to give it out on your
own, you'll wait, give it away,just our.
But this gives us theopportunity, because this is a

(54:03):
community.
I mean, this is what we're allabout building.
So we're gonna come togetherand guess what, if it gives
someone to come to you And youcan say I can give this to you,
because maybe you have a friendthat's not watching, go for it,
help me, i'm all for it, let'sgo.
This is what we do, absolutely.
So let's see, i have an 800credit score, just no proof of
stable income.
Yo, so aren't they are?
Can you hack somebody and giveme an 800 credit score?

(54:26):
That'd be great, just saying.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Can we just go fight club and just call it good?

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Right, got a friend that's going Live on tiktok.
I gotta go jump in with thisfunctional Viking on there.
So All one word, people.
All one word.
You see it at the bottom of thebanner.
Don't put any spaces.
All one word, next generation.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I'm making a new drawing.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Come on now right, come on, damn.
But yeah, so I got.
I got some friends that aregoing live here in about five
minutes, so I gotta make sure Iget.
I can be late, this is my shot,but we'll get there.
How many drawings we looking atnow?
15, 15.
That's only gone up one.
All right, that should give me16 And I think we should have 17

(55:14):
.
All right, let's see nextgeneration, 17.
All right, cool, we're up to 17, 18, 19.
All right, oh damn, it's stillgoing.
All right, so we're up to 18right now.
Cool, all right.
So I'm gonna give it anotherone more minute.
All right, one more minutedepending on this.
Hey, misha, if you win, i'll letyou know.
Actually, misha, you do both,or I mean, i'll just let you

(55:35):
know.
It doesn't matter, right?
I love you anyways.
You've been here for a longhaul, so, coming out of the end,
and I do want to do thisgiveaway, we got 22 people and
Watching and 18 entries.
So this is what we're gonna do.
We're just gonna fucking do it.
Let's see, add to stream.
So we're gonna do the first one.

(55:59):
We're just gonna basicallycycle through this.
I'm not gonna do anythingdifferent because I basically
know everybody in here becauseyou're all my warriors and I
love you all.
There's probably someone, idon't know.
We're gonna figure it out,andrea.
There's one, andrea, hey.
So look, andrew, do me a favorif you can, and I love you, so

(56:22):
you should be able to do this.
Take note of everybody thatwins, including yourself.
Let's see, we're gonna drawagain.
Just funny, yelling me like Ican't do that shit.
I'm gonna have to go backthrough the episode to be able
to see it.
Have you ever Going on, brother, nice, i swear if you wouldn't
get on YouTube.

(56:42):
We're fighting.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
You know you enter twice, we're fighting.
Well, my wife wins.
We know I'm gonna put that togood use.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I don't know.
three is Zach.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Zach, zach Zach.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I don't do.
I know Zach.
I don't know if I know Zach.
Zach, get a hold of me onLinkedIn or somewhere.
Um, i don't see a last name.
I don't know who Zach is.
Zach, get a hold of me.
It could be Discord if that'swhere you know me from.
I don't fucking know.
Just let me know and we'llfigure that shit out.
We'll get there.
Hey, i do.
You know, some of these peoplegot pictures.
I can actually put a face to aname.

(57:19):
I just can't do that.
So that's three.
Keep that in mind.
I'm gonna call you Jason,because I'm gonna lose count.
I'm gonna lose count, dammit.
No, no, that does not count.
We're drawing again.
No, you're not winning twice.
You already won once, damn it.

(57:41):
Four I know you, homie, i gotyou There, we go Alright.
So that's four.
Alright, let's see.
Five.
Five, stop, get me awake.
Um, get a hold of me.

(58:02):
Uh, i'm trying to think of how.
Give me like a LinkedIn orsomething in the chat, please,
so I can get a hold of you oryou can message me.
Find a way, let me know who youare.
Uh, that's what?
five?
Yes sir Alright, let's go tosix.
Number six, number six.
Come on, bill Big.
Bill Alright, how about BillSeven, seven, seyate, seyate,

(58:30):
seyate, seyate.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Six.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Chris, there we go, i got you homie, There we go.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh Joe, Who's winning ?
Oh Joe, Oh Joe.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
No, no, you ain't winning twice.
Get that out of here, sorry Ilove you, homie, but you ain't
winning twice.
It don't work that way.
I will draw until we getsomeone different.
I will Nope.
No, dude, come on.
It works a little bit betterwhen you do different hashtags,

(59:09):
but we're just gonna.
Andrew, come on, you're gettingAndrea now.
No, don't make me pick randomass people, because I'll fucking
do it.
I know who's in chat.
I will just send them randomass codes if you do this shit to
me too much.
Misha, there we go.
There we go.
That's eight.
Alright.
So Misha's number eight Rightthere.
I hope Andrea is actuallytaking notes on this, because I

(59:29):
can't see my screen to see ifshe agreed or not, but she
better have agreed because youknow.
Adriana, adriana, alright.
There's nine One more and we gotone more.
Oh, we got 19 entries now.
Oh, something went up.
Alright, let's go.
Let's go One more, one more,One more.
We got Nope Andrea, come on,girl, damn, get her out of there

(59:52):
.
Shit, i wish I could.
I wish it was just like let meremove people, or if it would
remove people like after Right.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I want to say one Nope Not you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Let's see, dude, i know who I'm gonna give a code
to if I just fucking quit.
I already know.
Well, let's figure this out,let's see.
Let's see, paul, alright.
Paul, I don't know who you areYou ain't got no last name for
me, or nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Number 10.
Lucky number 10.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
So, natalie, the automation definitely needs help
.
It needs to remove people asI'm doing drawings.
That'd be fucking great.
So, paul, whoever you are.
So here's the thing.
We got Paul and Zach.
I literally don't know what yourlast names are or who the fuck
you are.
So please get a hold of me Andyou better have a profile that
actually says who you are andcan prove, kind of, where we

(01:00:38):
were at with this.
Otherwise, andrea got all ofthem, so we'll take note because
Andrea did.
In case y'all weren't aware,andrea donated five of these
vouchers that were given away.
So Andrea did five, i did five.
It's kind of how it goes andwe're in it to win it.
Hey, i don't know who I amsometimes, so for everybody that

(01:01:03):
wants to know, i love oneCongratulations.
Thank you Honestly.
I hope this helps you and grow.
Paul said I'll hit you up onLinkedIn.
Good, zach, whoever you arewith us, discord if you're in
the pagan community or if you'refrom LinkedIn, wherever you're
from, please get a hold of me,let me know.
Otherwise, jason, before we gooff air, before we, you know,

(01:01:25):
shut down, give me some finalwords.
Man, what advice you got forpeople that are really
transitioning, and just tryingto make a name for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Oh man, just be honest with me, be prepared for
hard work, be prepared to youknow, be introspective and
really take a look at what youneed to do and why you want to
do it.
That's the biggest thing I cantell you.
You know, do it because do itbecause you want to do it,
because you're you're going tobe good at it.
Don't just do it because, well,i ain't got nothing else to do

(01:01:52):
and it's going to be good moneydown the road, or it's going to
be good money instantly, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, you know that's that's.
you know I have a problembecause, you know, i look at
things and I see people thatthat are doing things for money
and part of me says don't chasemoney, right.

(01:02:17):
A huge part of me says don'tchase money because you're never
going to be happy right.
But then another part of me sayslook at our economy, look at
the way our society is, look atthe way things are going.
You kind of have to, or elseyou're going to be fucking broke
and literally somebody's goingto have.
you know, you're going to haveyour shit box car and somebody's
going to have a shit box carwith a stereo and you're like,

(01:02:38):
oh, i want that stereo and it'sgoing to mean something.
But that's the kind of the waythings are going.
You got to kind of look at itand so don't chase money, but
upskill yourself to get money,absolutely, if that makes sense
100%.
You know so.
So I wouldn't say that money.
I'd say become better so thatthe money comes, because you

(01:03:00):
deserve more.
I don't care who the fuck youare, You deserve more.
But you got to prove it andpeople hate that but look, I'm
not going to hire you justbecause you have some search and
I don't know who the fuck youare Right If you're not putting
yourself out there and I don'tknow who to hell you are.
I'm not going to hire you basedon some search.
I'm going to ask you fuckingquestions and figure out who to
fuck you are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Right.
No, you can be good on paper,but if you're not good in real
life, what good are you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
So so we're going to, we're going to figure that out
and that's, and that's the wayit needs to go.
And so, look, here's the thingbefore we sign off.
And, jason, if you want to hangaround for a minute before we
go or after we go, thiscommunity is everything to me.
Everybody here is one of mycyber warriors.
Everybody here is one of mywarriors.
And you know, there were a fewpeople here in the chat this

(01:03:48):
week that actually have nothingto do with cyber security.
They are just here becausethey're family, right, they're
part of the pagan project,they're part of other the areas
of my life.
And then we're just joining in,kind of like your wife joining
in and getting the chat andbeing involved, and that's what
it's about.
We are a community, we're afamily, and and for anybody that
doesn't know, that's whatfamily is about.

(01:04:09):
Maybe, i don't know, maybe youhad a shitty family.
It happens.
But guess what?
Family doesn't end in blood.
If I cut you, guess what?
We're all going to bleed breadand we're all the same.
So I don't give a damn what youlook like, i don't give a damn
who you are.
This is community, this isfamily.
So everybody else going to tryto break you up.
Understand you belong here.
You belong with the cyberwarrior.
You belong in cyber warriorstudios.
You belong in cyber security.
You belong here.

(01:04:29):
This is where you can make adifference.
You want to make a difference?
You do it here.
This is what you do.
This is what we do Now.
Otherwise, look, i love you all.
You were all my warriors.
You're all my family.
Please check the description forall the ways you can support
this channel with us.
Buy me a coffee, and there ismemberships.
Now Merchandise, paypal, cashApp, you name it.

(01:04:50):
And I got to say one more thing.
I have been donating money tothe Pagan project.
So the money you donate to meguess what?
It might just go there, i don'tfucking know Depends on what I
feel like doing with it that day.
But you bring it here.
I'm going to do something withit to benefit the community.
That's just the way shit goes.
So y'all, have a good one.
I'm going to take care.
I'm going to go out.

(01:05:10):
I'm going to you know what?
I'm going to keep drinking.
That's just what I'm going todo.
Have a great weekend.
I will see you all next weekwith another amazing episode of
security happy hour right hereon cyber warrior studios.