Unlocking the Hidden Superpowers of ADHD: An Insightful Exploration of Neurodiversity and Innovation

How can struggles with focus become a powerful ability for innovation? Brace yourselves for an enlightening conversation with a veteran and member of the infinite and probability AI, as we navigate the intricate and often misunderstood world of ADHD. We dive into the heart of ADHD, recounting the struggles with maintaining concentration and the challenge of juggling tasks, particularly in abrupt changes like the transition to remote learning during the pandemic. Yet, we also highlight the unique strengths and superpowers innate in individuals with ADHD, such as their ability to hyper-focus on tasks that intrigue them and excel beyond the ordinary boundaries.

ADHD, often seen as a stumbling block, could very well be your secret weapon. We delve into the world of neurodiversity and spotlight the unexplored aspects of ADHD, such as face blindness, and the unique resilience inherent in people with this condition that can be traced back to our hunter-gatherer ancestors. Our guest shares personal experiences and insights about ADHD, offering an intimate glimpse into what might seem like a different world to many. We also look at the overlooked intersection of gender and ADHD, discussing how societal misunderstanding can lead to unnecessary challenges for women with the condition.

While ADHD can present its fair share of challenges, we highlight the often overlooked superpowers that come with it - the ability to connect seemingly unrelated topics and potential for innovative problem-solving. Listen in as we explore the fascinating concept of neural plasticity, the hidden potential of our minds, and how individuals with ADHD can harness these to navigate the challenges of today's world. We also talk about the unique emotional experiences of men and women with ADHD and investigate their often-overlooked superpower - empathy. So, if you've ever been curious about ADHD or have been touched by it personally, you don't want to miss this episode.

Support the show

Merch: https://cyberwarriorstudios.com/store
Youtube: https://youtube.cyberwarriorstudios.com
Twitch: https://twitch.tv/CyberWarriorStudios
Twitter: @CyberWarriorSt1
Discord: https://discord.gg/eCSRzM6mJf

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
And welcome back.
It is me, the Cyber Warrior.
This is Cyber Warrior Studios,and I know you are all here for
another amazing episode ofSecurity Happy Hour and I
promise, if you stick with mefor just about 10 seconds,
because we got an amazing guestthat he's been on before, but
you know me, I like to bring onguests again and again every
once in a while, so stick withme and I'll be right back.

(00:21):
And I'm back and, like I said,it wasn't too long.
But hey, guess what?
There it is, the official soundof Security Happy Hour kicking
off and I'm here for it andwe're going to have an amazing

(00:43):
episode talking ADHD and itssuperpowers, which I've talked
about before briefly, but not insuch depth, I would think,
especially once you're in thisfield.
So, without further ado, myguests, fellow veteran soldier,
I served with infinite andprobability AI, or as I like to
call them, ar.

(01:03):
What's going on, ar?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Hey, how's it going?
Great seeing you again.
It's great to be on again thistime.
In the past I've done a coupleof tech podcasts, but this time
we're talking about more mentalhealth.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, definitely, and ADHD is an amazing superpower
when used correctly, when youunderstand more of how it
affects the mind and what you'recapable of.
And so what has been yourexperience with ADHD so far and

(01:36):
what do you think has been adetriment to you?
Let's start with that first.
What has been the hardest thingto deal with with it?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, the hardest thing to deal with is, of course
, maintaining focus.
So it kind of evens out, kindof not really evens out.
There's a lot of challenges toit basically, but a lot of it

(02:04):
has to do with motivation,getting tasks started,
completing tasks towards the end, general pain, attention.
There's a lot of things thatpeople with ADHD there's some
generalizations, a lot ofcharacteristics that they suffer

(02:27):
through through lots of jobs,not being able to control
emotions, dark thoughts, thingslike that but there's also some
benefits to it that I'd like totalk about.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean no, but you're not wrong, I do want to touch on the
benefits, but I just want peopleto understand kind of what
happens in the mind when you'redealing with stuff like that,
because before you can eventouch on the benefits,
understanding really thesignificance of until you gain
control and are able to reallyutilize it to your benefit, how

(03:05):
it affects people and I thinkthe biggest thing is just not
being able to focus.
You start on one thing and thenit shifts to another and then
it shifts to another.
Sometimes you don't even getstarted, but you're constantly
bouncing around until you learnhow to fix it and learn how to
tune it to your advantage.
Am I correct?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh yeah.
Well, first let's get thedefinition cleared up.
Attention deficit doesn't meanthat you don't have attention.
What they're talking about onADHD is you have trouble
regulating your attention.
There are some tasks that youcan focus on, and I'm talking
about.
It's very easy just to go intoflow, what people call flow.

(03:49):
That's where your egodisappears, your emotions
disappear, everything, all yourbrains is just working on a
single task.
You're free of distractions.
There's no emotion to it, it'sjust one task follows the other.
That is flow.
And when it comes with someonewith ADHD, you either have a

(04:12):
scatterbrain or you have flow.
You have very hard time tryingto get into those specific
things.
There's a lot of people thatwould go and say like I know
you're not dumb, you don't turnin your homework, but there's
just moments where you saysomething that's so profound you

(04:33):
think you're smart, but othertimes you're just scatterbrained
.
You can remember things, likeyou can remember something that
happened 10 years ago withextreme detail, but you have
trouble remembering whathappened earlier today.
That sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, definitely, and that's a huge thing because I
find that more often in thiscareer field probably than a lot
of others within IT andcybersecurity, is the whole
concept of being able tofunction with ADHD or any type
of neurodiversity, any type ofmental, what people would

(05:14):
consider a disability, I reallyconsider an ability, because
when you look at certainconcepts, it gives them a
benefit that a lot of othersdon't have.
So, like you were stating, youget the end of those hyper
fixation, you get into that flowstate and I think, with ADHD,
because you have one of twoextremes, normally you have

(05:36):
either scatterbrained, kind oflike when I'm trying to learn
anything tech related out ofbooks, I'm constantly jumping
versus that hyper fixation state, or that flow state where you
find something and I find this alot more when I'm doing things
like hack the box orcertifications is I can kind of
get into a flow and a rhythm ofokay, I'm going to know all of
this, but you asked me, like atthe moment, somebody, something

(06:00):
else, grabs my attention, nowI'm gone, now I'm gone, I'm out
of it, and it takes a while toget back into that state of mind
.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
It has to do with there's triggers for it and
usually with someone with ADHD,when they find something they're
interested in, it's somethingthat they focus on completely.
It's kind of hard to get ifit's not something you're
interested in.
It's extremely hard for them,or for us or anyone with ADHD,

(06:31):
to actually focus your brain onthat.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Right, I find that a lot.
I find that very see, andhere's the thing and here's why
I and again, I'm not a doctor, Idon't know for sure but just
what I have witnessed with, likemy nephew and other people I
know that are either ADHD or onsome type of autism, autism
scale or anything like that Ifyou give them something that

(06:58):
they are passionate about, theywill be the best at it and
better than anybody else.
That is not neurodiverse,Because they have that ability
to fixate on it and do things insuch a way that others cannot,
because we, those who don't haveany type of mental or
neurodiversity, can focus, butit's never.

(07:22):
I don't want to say it's nottruly there, but it's not truly
there, right, it's one of thosethings where it's like oh yeah,
I like this and you know, but todig in deep and to really
fixate on something is verydifficult for people that aren't
neurodiverse, at least in myopinion and again I could be
wrong- oh, of course.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Everyone would say, like, oh, of course, if it's
something you're interested in,you're going to spend more time
focusing on that.
But it's for someone with ADHD.
It's a lot harder to get out ofthat and get into that More.
People who aren't neurodiverseor who are have trouble
regulating, or who can regulatetheir focus, it's simple for

(08:04):
them.
Sometimes it's easier on somethings, but for people with ADHD
it's extremely difficult.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Right.
And you can't grab theirattention just off of anything.
Right, it has to be somethingthey enjoy.
If they don't enjoy it, thenit'll never.
They'll never pinpoint focus.
And Amanda in chat, who hasADHD as well.
She's absolutely correct,because it's the same way for me
.
It almost becomes an obsessionfor us, and it does.

(08:34):
It is truly one of those thingswhere we will go into.
It's either all or nothing.
I'm either giving my all oryou've got nothing from me.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Right, for me it's coding.
When I'm coding, I was doingsomething for Eric Bellardo the
other day and I was trying tocode something and I got
obsessed with something where Ineed to process it but I had to
figure out like an algorithm.
Next to error.

(09:04):
I'm spending hours on it.
Next thing I know I started at4 pm.
Next thing I know it's 5 am.
The sun's coming up.
I'm all like time flew for meTime flies for me and I'm all
like, oh shoot, I gotta go tobed.
My wife works at night so sheleft at 6 and she was gonna be

(09:24):
home in two hours and here I wastrying to work out this
algorithm that I'm trying tofigure out, but for me I was in
flow.
I was time flew for me.
But that is one of thesuperpowers, it's all right,
people who have trouble, like Isaid, people who have trouble
regulating, they either havescatterbrains or in flow.
So that's one of the firstsuperpowers of it is

(09:47):
hyper-focused.
You can get hyper-focused onsomething and become extremely
good at something, accomplish atask extremely well see insight,
just simply from hyper-focus.
Now, that happens in one in oneof two situations one, where
you're it's something you'reinterested in, something that

(10:08):
you really like, and number twois if it's something that has
dire consequences if you don'taccomplish it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yes, so which leads to.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
another superpower is people with ADHD work well
under pressure.
We're used to having to wait orputting things off until the
last minute and then, when timeyou know time happens, we enter
automatically into her.
When something is about tohappen, we automatically enter
flow state and know exactly whatto do.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
And that's, and that's why I work better on
that's what I'm a procrastinator, right, but I'm a perfectionist
.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Everybody's a procrastinator of subsorts.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
So for me it is very difficult to really especially
things like documentation orreports, anything that requires
written work.
It's very hard for me to focusand do that unless it's down to
the wire.
If it's like this is due inlike a day, then the day before

(11:07):
I can get it knocked out or thatmorning.
But if it's like, hey, this isdue in two weeks, I'm going to
sit there and be like okay, cool, I got time, and like just not
be able to focus on it.
But the moment the pressure ison and it needs to get done,
then it's done and I have tohave it perfect.
So I will go through that somebitch I don't know how many
times until I know it's right.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right, we're, our brains are sprinters, but very,
very poor long distance runners.
Oh yeah, right, if it's a taskthat we need to accomplish right
now, we can knock it out.
However, if it's a task thatinvolves day after day, chipping
at it little by little, eachstep, we put it off to the next
day, we put off to the next day,till the next day and, next

(11:50):
thing, you know, it's kind ofhard to actually get get started
on something or on the smalltasks that need to be done
before we can accomplish the bigtasks.
So, like I said, it's a it'ssprinters, but very poor long
distance runners.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, give me the end goal and tell me it's due
tomorrow and I'll get it there.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
But if you give me an end goal and a bunch of little
tasks that are going to take melike three weeks, four weeks,
then I'm going to wait till theend of that and I'm just going
to knock them all out at once.
If possible.
I'm just going to do it all atonce.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Which is a tip for anyone who has, or any leader of
someone who has, adhd is don'ttell oh, get this done, you know
, whenever you can, or you know,no rush on this.
Tell them how long, or ask themhow long will it take for you
to you know, do this for me,that may.
That way, they will set theirtheir own date and know hey, I

(12:48):
need to accomplish it.
Like I said, I would.
Yeah, that's a simple tip Justtell them, you know don't say
get to get it to me whenever youcan say how long will it take?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
you.
Anytime someone says, get thisto me when you can, it's
immediate.
Like my immediate thought isit's not getting done.
It's just not gonna get done.
If you tell me get it to mewhen you can, then I'm gonna
give myself a date.
That's never gonna getaccomplished.
I'll be like all right, I'llhave it done like a week knowing
, damn well, I got other work, Igot other projects, I got other

(13:19):
things I'm working on.
You didn't give me a date anddidn't make this a priority, so
it's not a priority to me.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, for all you know, you could turn it in 10
years from now.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, and so it's crazy how that works, because,
hold on, amanda, I have a trickfor making a bunch of small
challenges out of a big project.
That'd be intriguing.
Amanda, you're gonna have toshare that with the class,
amanda.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, that's a technique you use through, like
scrum or tasks breaking out, orthere's a different place.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't like agile, I don't like those things,
because to me it is toostructured.
Tell me I have something, giveme a project and then say this
part of it is due by this date,this part of it is due by this
date, then okay.
But if you come at me and arelike, hey, so what are we gonna

(14:24):
do this week, I'm gonna knockout what I can, when I can, how
I can, and if there's a due dateon it, it'll get done by that
due date.
That's all I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
If there's not a due date on it, then it'll get done
eventually.
It's not a priority.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
One thing I noticed when I was doing the cyber
mission is those young airmen.
He was lower rank.
I maybe had an E3 of whateverthe Air Force Airmen first class
.
Airmen first class.
He comes in and I can tell hewas trying to accomplish scrum.

(14:59):
Like he was trying to.
I had to log in the tasks.
I was taking care of thedocumentation, so we had
something discheduled.
I want this recorded, thatrecorded.
Okay, we did it, but he wasvery structured about it.
It was very loosey-goosey atthe time but he wanted it
specifically structured.
And I'm all like, oh, this guyis trying to do project

(15:21):
management.
That's what he was trying to do.
The thing is he was trying todo project management.
There was a mission that neededto be done that we were
scheduled for 7 am.
Okay, 7 am.
I was on the second shift.
It was midnight, right, I wasjust about to get out, somebody
else was about to get on, butsomebody higher up maybe an E7
of the Airmen comes in.

(15:41):
He's all like, hey, how comethese systems aren't on?
And I'm all like what are youtalking about?
And he was all like we needthese systems on.
I'm all like are you doing onthis reason?
Yes, it's scheduled for 7 am,yeah, but why aren't they on?
It's midnight, we need them on.
There's a communication problemthere.
So, even though someone mightbe doing Scrum, somebody else

(16:04):
might be coming in an hour or afew.
Yeah, he wasn't in the or Iguess the E7 didn't feel the
need to relay that to the E3,who was trying to keep things
organized in the structure.
And here I am monitoring allthe systems.
Make sure everything that needsto be on is on.
Everything that needs to be onis off.
And he comes up and says, hey,how come it's not happening,

(16:25):
instead of hey, can you turnthese on?
We wanna do this pre-missionmission.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
You just why aren't they on?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And it's one of those things,man, like.
What I think about it wellpeople don't realize is I really
don't think there's anything.
There's no such thing as aneurodiverse disability.
People call them disabilities,but I don't think they are.

(16:54):
Just from what I've seen andthe capabilities of so many
people, whether it's ADHD, add,autism, you name it yeah, you
maybe have social anxiety, youmay not be able to do certain
things, but the things you cando, the things you do, do you do
better than anybody else?
Nobody will touch you in thoseindustries, except for those

(17:16):
that are just like you, becauseit takes a certain kind of
aptitude and capability to beable to focus and learn and
actually retain all of thatknowledge that you don't get if
you're not neurodiverse.
It's.
I think it's a lot harder if,even if you're passionate about

(17:36):
something, if you're notneurodiverse in some way or
shape or form.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I guess it depends on how you think about this both
Marilyn Monroe and RockefellerI'm not sure if it was John D
Rockefeller or his son, sorry.
Marilyn Monroe sayswell-behaved girls seldom make
history.
Rockefeller says to be trulysuccessful, you blaze your own

(18:07):
trail and not follow the sametrail everybody else has.
So when you're a neurodiverseperson, you're thinking
differently than everybody else.
You are thinking you're notcapable of following what
everybody else does.
I gotta fix this.
I sound more shaky, all right.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, and that's the thing, though, but I think about
that.
I think that way in general.
Right, if you're just followingthe same path as everybody else
, you're not gonna get anywhere.
You're gonna be stuck in the,you're gonna be another cog in
the wheel.
Those who are different, thosewho blaze their own trail, who
make their own path, who dotheir own thing, the rebels, the

(18:54):
outcasts, the neurodiverse,whatever you wanna call them
those are the ones that findtrue success.
I get, depending on how youthink about it, but almost true
success, at least in their ownmind, because they made it their
own way.
They didn't have to follow someblueprint or some hey, you have
to do it this way it was, I'mgonna make it.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, you have to think differently in order to
try something new, which, like,I'm not sure if I'm trying.
Here's another weakness amongstpeople with ADHD we have bad
time writing because we havethings in our head that we need
to get out, but we just don'tknow how to do it, because our

(19:41):
minds go on 80 miles an hour,while our mouths are moving
eight steps a minute.
So I'm trying to say it has tobe different in order to you
have to.
Your mind has to workdifferently in order to think

(20:01):
differently.
That's what I'm trying to say sowhen I say neurodiverse, it's
different than everybody else,but that's what is needed is
being able to.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I can't you know what ?
Well, look at it this way, right, if you look at some of the
brightest minds, some of thepeople that have been the
wealthiest, some of the peoplethat have made the biggest
impact in the world, right, whenit comes to innovation and
business and things of thatnature, they were either, if not
both, autistic or ADHD.

(20:33):
Look at people like AlbertEinstein, bill Gates, steve Jobs
you can go through a slew ofpeople that, in one way or shape
or form or another Elon Musk Iwould adventure a guest Mark
Zuckerberg and all these otherpeople whether or not they stole
ideas or did not, they stillthought outside the box, figured
out a way to make things happenin a way that other people
didn't think of or were able tocapitalize on it in a different

(20:55):
way.
So, whether or not it was wronghow they got there, they still
found a way to get there.
So I may not agree with all themethods, but you can't deny the
results, and it comes fromthinking outside the box, it
comes from saying I'm going todo this and I'm just going to
make it happen.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
That brings us, or it's the first superpowers, was
that hyper focus and flow?
Second superpower creativity.
Our minds think in so manydifferent directions.
We start making connectionshere and there and how things
eventually come together andthink of ways that other people

(21:39):
just never even considered.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
All right, now here's an example.
Did you know that nothing innature has wheels Like I mean?
You think it will I follow youyeah.
Yeah, do you think it'd be like?
I mean, the wheel is biginvention.
You can roll things, it's theeasiest way to get from A to B,

(22:08):
carry things, and you figurethat maybe something would
evolve to have wheels, sinceit's the easiest way to get
things from here to there.
There's a type ofmicro-organism that has a
propeller, but it's not quite awheel.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
There are spiders that roll like a wheel, but
still not quite a wheel.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
But if you think about it, the wheel is not very
efficient in nature.
God does not think in straightlines.
What is most effective innature are legs, our legs, that
can go over uneven grounds andto scale up, goats can even

(22:54):
scale wall through legs or withtheir legs they can get over,
step over something, stepthrough something, uneven ground
, get their legs out of mud andstuff.
It's just easier to travel.
The most efficient things islegs.
Now here's my ADD brain goingin.

(23:14):
There are types of algorithmsthat are being looked at right
now.
They're called nature-inspiredoptimization algorithms.
Sounds like what's calledancolonization algorithms.
It's like dyke-strums wherethey find lease paths through a
network, through a spending treeprotocol, where they weigh in

(23:36):
on the cost of a path to go fromone router to another router,
to a switch, to your computerand all that noise.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You're different routing protocols.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Ants have found a very efficient way to
communicate to each other fromtheir den to the food source and
carrying it back.
They communicate that through awhole bunch of each other.
Now people are figuring out hey, that is a highly efficient way

(24:11):
that nature evolved into doingthat.
Right wheels.
We think wheels it's the bestway to do that, but nature says
here's a better way that getsover other obstacles For people
with ADHD.
We go from wheels to legs, toants, to neural diversity or to

(24:34):
network optimizations, simplyfrom one going to the other, to
the other, and you make allthose connections.
Now we end up with somethingthat is still being studied
right now.
It's just started in the 90s,but we're finding a new way,
just connecting things that goall the way?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
that have no way of connecting.
Right, and it's the way the mindworks, because, again to your
point, creativity and thinkingand bouncing around and
eventually you're like thispoint to this point, to this
point, to this point, ifanywhere to look at it, if you
were to do a mind map, it wouldlook completely ridiculous.
People like this makes no sense, like this, I don't get it, but

(25:15):
in your mind.
It doesn't matter whether ornot it makes sense to anybody
else.
It's the fact that the path youtook eventually got to that
point, which would have takensomebody else if they would have
looked at it and been likehow'd you get to this?
Like, how does this make thismakes no sense, but to you and
that's.
The other thing, though, is withADHD, with neurodiversity and

(25:40):
with the way the mind bouncesaround, it will make sense even
to those with ADHD or those thatare also neurodiverse.
It won't even make sense tothat, because it is one of those
things that is independent tothe thinker.
They will understand almost theconcept of how you got there,
but they won't understand howyou got there.

(26:00):
If you get my point Like, it'llbe like okay, yeah, the mind
bounces around, I completely getit.
You know point A, point B itmay have taken a whole bunch of
different routes to get there,but we got there.
That makes sense.
But someone else is going tolook at that and just be
confused and be like I don't getit.
How'd you get there?
Like I'm lost, how'd you gofrom wheels to ants, to what

(26:24):
you're looking at?
But to you it makes sense andit's valid and it works.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Right, I call those epiphanies.
We space out, then make thingsconnect in our head and then we
go from one to another and thenwe have an aha moment.
What Amanda called it last weekis ADHD buffering.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Right, or she likes to call them side quests.
Now, side quests.
She said, yes, please don'tlook at my mind or make me
explain how I got there.
The point is, I got there.
She was like I call them sidequests Side quests, it's true.
You do you kind of go andyou're like, oh yeah, we're
going to go with this.
And you're like Squirrel andyou're like, wait, Squirrel
comes back to here and thatleads to this and that'll lead

(27:09):
to this.
And hey, now we're at thefinale and I made it and this is
what's going to come of it.
And someone's going to look atthat and go how'd you get there,
squirrel?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
And it's weird.
Well, one major event was likeI'm the youngest, my older
brother.
Sometimes he catches me like Ispace out and in my mind I'm
making a whole bunch ofconnections, and then I say
something and he goes how'd youdo that?
I want to know what went on inyour head, like how did you go
from here to there?
Like he was interested.
But during my high schoolgraduation we had a graduation

(27:44):
and it was going to be apost-graduation party and I said
to my brother oh yeah, I'mgoing to post-graduation party.
Then the night comes and he hadhis own vehicle but instead he
used my truck and he left andthen he comes back and I go hey,
I need to go because I got theparty.

(28:05):
I told you about it, it goes.
Oh, I completely forgot.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
A couple of weeks later, hey, ar, hold up, I got a
guest for you real quick.
You want to say hi to him?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh, who Come here?
Hey, bro, hey, what's up, hey,what's up.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Squirrel, where'd you come?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
from Texas, texas, texas.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Texas.
So for all those that don'tknow, this is Bizzle, this is my
brother, and he's going to behanging out for a while until I
finally decided to tell him toget his own place.
How does that work, bro?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So I just got home, you are working out, we need to
catch up instead of being oryeah, we eventually need to
catch up.
So I think the last time I sawyou was at third MISP.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yup, yup.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
And then I disappeared and now I reappear.
Yeah, that happens.
Was that Bizzle?
Didn't you go to Japan?
They don't want to Japan.
I went to Texas.
Yeah, I always got used toconfused because you have
similar names.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, I know, everybody did.
It was like Bizzle, bizzle,come here.
Yeah, we were.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
You're both black guys.
Yeah, tall, thin.
Yeah black, thin and shit yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You know they all look the same.
It happens they're just him andBizzle yeah, similar names.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
They were both tall and thin.
Yeah, they could have been likebiological brothers.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So I just yeah, yeah, honestly.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Oh, that's another thing I have.
Well, it's known as faceblindness.
My mind's always going that's aweakness for me because I and
because I'm always thinking I'dnever quite look at people in
the face.
Yeah, when I see people, I havetrouble distinguishing faces.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I see I'll remember faces but not names.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
For me it's the other way around.
I know names, but not faces.
I haven't seen him in years.
I knew his name, biddle.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, I'll remember faces.
I could not see anyone foryears.
I'm like I know you, I know, Iknow you.
I don't know your name, but Iknow you, bizzle.
Bizzle recalled your voice.
He didn't even know who was onwith me.
He just came in for work and hewas like I know that voice.
I'm going to say hi to AR, allright.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
So I do have a.
I do have a unique voice.
I got a.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
You know what I find, though.
I find your ADHD.
This is.
This is how I, even before Ieven knew in depth more about
ADHD, I kind of knew you had it.
Um, I knew I did, but I knewyou did just because of the way
your mind works, and, especiallyas me and you would converse
more outside of the military,your love for data science and

(30:51):
your ability to focus on numbers, right Numbers, stats that type
of stuff was always more than Icould ever dig into, like you'd
bring out all these numbers andI'd be like homie, I don't Dude
, that is awesome.
I don't know how you got there,I don't know how you found it,
but I get it Like cool, allright.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
What I find about it is all right.
People with ADHD.
We have a sweet tooth right.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
We have a sweet tooth we can get easily addicted.
It's that dopamine hit.
Right, that dopamine hit Um.
You can ask anyone with ADHD.
They have a sugar of preference.
So, um, mine is PICE.
Yeah so anyways, is thatdopamine hit?

(31:38):
And with with um data analyticsand data uh analysis, it's kind
of like betting in a sense,right.
So you, you make a bet onsomething and you use past
information to see if you'reright or if you, if you're right

(31:58):
or wrong famous data set is theTitanic, is the Titanic data
set?
So, and it's one of the thingsyou give people who just
starting out in data science,they got to write an algorithm
to find out if you know acertain passenger lived or died.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
And if Jack could have fit on the board?
The door, yes, he could have.
So so.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
so you would go and you're making a bet, what you
want.
You can straight up say, since62% of the people died, 60
something percent.
You can just straight up anyonewho brings this passenger died,
this passenger died, thispassenger died.
And you'd be correct 60% of thetime.
But if you do data processing,you can look at someone and say

(32:40):
he survived, he lived, or shelived, he survived, she lived.
And get even more right andthen break it up on age groups.
You know, the little boysurvived, the little girl
survived, the woman survived,the man died.
And get even closer and that isthe dopamine hit is when you're
right, you're making a guess,you're doing a bet.

(33:01):
Did they survive, did they die?
You're right, that's thedopamine hit.
So that's why, for me, datascience and data analytics is,
is is a digging to me.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So we're the adventures according to Amanda
All right.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So oh yeah, One thing that we're going to, that
people with ADHD do, is fail.
We fail a lot.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
We let things, we let things we don't fail, we learn
All right.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
We let things time lapse, right Time lapse.
We forget about things.
You know, things expired,things do.
We don't get things done ontime.
Basically, we fail.
However, that in itself is theother superpower we are
extremely resilient.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
We fail a lot.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
We get back up and we continue.
And people with ADHD thatthey're super power, they're
resilient.
That's what my brother a fewweeks ago had a heart to heart
and he was saying growing uphe's seven years older than me
Growing up, he's all like onething you notice that I was
extremely.
He called.
He called me tough.
I guess what he meant wasresilient, because you were

(34:19):
extremely tough, you messed up alot, but you just kept going.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
People with ADHD.
It's usually a geneticcomponent.
My dad, I was explaining him toa counselor and someone said
your dad sounds like he waseither bipolar or schizophrenic
and he did have hallucinationssometimes.
But that's where my ADHD comesfrom.
It's from my dad's side.
Oh shoot, adhd buffer moment.

(34:51):
And, evolution-wise, thehunter-gatherer people, people
with hunter-gatherer societies,people with ADHD extremely
resilient, extremely persistent,they're the ones who are more
likely to bring home food tokeep their family fed because

(35:12):
they fail, but they try again.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So try again.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And try again.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Do you feel that ADHD , or at least symptoms of it,
that hyperfixation, thatmind-scatterness and everything
else is always genetic, or couldit be something that
potentially, over time, developsbased on situations that have
occurred in your life and ordifferent events?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
There's a strong genetic component to it.
If your parents don't have it,then there's usually an uncle or
an aunt that had it, or agrandparent.
That is a high probability ofthings.
But the brain is plastic theneural plasticity that's what

(36:04):
they call it.
You can form it and shape itinto a certain way and it'll
function indistinguishable fromsomeone else.
So it doesn't matter how oldyou are.
You can work it out and make itand form it to a way for it to
work.
So you can either make ithighly efficient or make it ADHD

(36:25):
.
Here's another ADHD tangentGrowing up as a little kid,
there was a drug store calledThrifties.
Thrifties had ice cream andthere was 16.
There was four rows, four rowsand another section.
Four rows and four rows.
Rite Aid bought it out.
Now the Thrifties ice cream isavailable on Rite Aid.

(36:51):
Wherever you go, or if you eversee Rite Aid, I highly recommend
the ice cream.
However, that was when I was alittle kid.
They had 16 flavors.
They had two types of conessugar cone and regular cone, or
you can get a cup and stack themup.
So you got three cups and 16flavors.
However, nowadays there's BaskinRobbins, there's Froyo, there's

(37:15):
Gelato, seasonal flavors StoneCold, you can get sugar cones,
you can get dip cones, you canget smoothies, you can get
Sundays, banana splits, multiflavors.
Basically, in the past we onlyhad a certain amount of options.
Right now, we live in a worldof 31 flavors.

(37:36):
Every option we have, we haveto process and think about it.
So in our minds everyone's inour minds eventually, someone's
going to be overwhelmed with somuch information that it's kind
of hard to stay focused on onething.
That's where I think ADHD iscoming from.
We have so much options andwhatever choice you have, you

(37:56):
have one, two, three, four.
Before, even before that, youhad Neapolitan strawberry,
vanilla chocolate.
Now winter 16 when I was a kid.
Now, nowadays, you have allthese flavors, all these soft
serve, hard serve everything,and trying to find out which
one's the best or which oneyou'd prefer at the moment is

(38:18):
extremely difficult and you haveto consider a whole bunch of
things.
Do you want this, do you wantthat?
Do you want this way, do youwant it that way?
So many options that our mindsjust can't keep up.
So our minds, yeah, I believeit's.
Since 2010,.
It's been a 10% increase eachyear of every year, there's 10%

(38:41):
increase on people gettingdiagnosed with ADHD.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Do you want to know what?
I think another cause of thatis Immediate gratification with
social media and things likeTikTok.
Because your mind now isfocusing and changing so often,
because it is impossible tomultitask.
We all know that you eithercontact switch or you don't
focus at all.
Your mind is never completelyfocused because you never

(39:08):
pinpoint one thing.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Right, you switch, you have what they call
residuals.
So when you switch a task,you're still thinking about the
last task.
You're not going to go to thenext one.
It's called residuals.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
So now you have immediate gratification because
now we have the internet, wehave social media, we have all
these different things, yourmind is constantly going.
Now you're going to bed with aphone in your hand, you're
flipping through TikTok andeverything else, and so when you
have that, when you have thoseissues, when you have all these
triggers, now that is forcingyour mind to constantly be

(39:41):
active.
And now you're changing thecontext of everything you're
focusing on, Because on, say, onTikTok, you get like 30 seconds
minute, maybe a minute and ahalf of video.
You go to the next.
So now your mind can only focusfor about a minute, minute and
a half at a time.
But even then the mind, if thescene doesn't switch every five
seconds, if there's nothing totrigger the mind to stay active,

(40:02):
now you're getting bored.
You're no longer connected tothe video, you're no longer
connected to what's there, soyou want to move on.
So, with all of the advent ofsocial media, of things like
Vine and TikTok and YouTube andthe shorts and the reels and
everything else, Vine has been athing for many years.
Right, but do you find that itis making ADHD, or at least the

(40:25):
concept of it?
Maybe not truly ADHD, but theconcept?
You find it's making it moreprevalent.
Because now, as a child, kidsare getting exposed to this type
of content because parents arenot parenting.
They're giving them devices ata younger age which is now
triggering their mind to not beable to focus for more than 30
seconds to a minute at a time.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I think it's a little bit complicated but, like I was
mentioning before, the mind ishighly adaptive and neural
plastic.
The theory of neural plasticity.
Your mind can adjust tosomething like that.
It can adjust to all thatinformation coming at you.
The problem is taking that away.
Between 2020 and 2021.

(41:10):
There was a huge increase ofpeople being diagnosed with ADHD
and that is because their mindswere, at first, being flooded
with information.
All of a sudden, everyone'squarantine, all that information
dialed back and it was hard tofocus.
So now it's people whose mindsare trained to be race cars, to

(41:33):
go from one to another, toanother, to another that
automatically says, here, stayidle, but keep that engine
running.
So not really all theinformation coming at you all at
once.
So when you take that awayRight?
So I don't think all thatinformation that you give to
your kids the iPad, the apps,the social medias that your mind

(41:55):
is adjusting it's an amazingthing that nobody can explain.
It's when you take that away,you changed its environment,
something that is not used to.
Now it's working.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's basically so you had this trigger right.
Right, what you're saying is wehave this trigger point,
especially within 2020.
So when the pandemic hit, theypulled everybody out of school.
Parents started giving theirkids the iPads more and the
phones more and things of thatnature, so they allowed them
this ability to get onto it moreoften.
Now they're back in school,they're in full time.

(42:30):
They're doing these differentthings.
So now that technology, thatsocial media, those videos are
pulled away from them.
So now it went from being ableto consume that to now you're in
a classroom where you don'thave that ability.
So now you can't focus.
Is that what you're getting at?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah Well, when you spent years going to a classroom
and stuff and your brain isworking a certain way, all of a
sudden you overnight basicallyovernight you start doing things
online.
You're all thinking this is notthis.
People are a creature of habits.
They learn, they get used tohabits Right, basically.

(43:08):
But when you change that, allof a sudden, there's that
learning curve and peopleconfuse that with ADHD.
You're not in your naturalenvironment, right, the
environment changed.
So that's what I think isactually happening.
It's things are changing.
It's not the fact that there'sa lot of information is that

(43:30):
things are changing so fast.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Your brain is having hard time keeping up or changes,
and so even here, he said, themind is very small but it has
the power to constantly process,loss large amounts of
information constantly, which isvery true.
We only use about 10% of ourbrains.
To my knowledge and from whatI've researched and from what I
understand, it's about 10% ofour brains we use.

(43:52):
We are not utilizing the fulleffect of our brain and what it
is capable of.
So he even says, and he goes onto saying, even while we are
sleeping it's still processinginformation within our dreams.
I really wish my brain wouldremember what I dream, because I
would love to know it, becauseI swear I have some great dreams
that would give me great ideas.

(44:13):
I'd have so much more room foractivities.
But again, I think the mind inand of itself is crazy because,
to your point, it is elastic.
It has this plasticity to itthat allows it to learn and grow

(44:36):
and expand and understand.
But, to your point, it's thechanges.
When you shift focus, when youshift away, things are supposed
to go then shift away than whatyou're used to.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Right People like things that are familiar.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Right, everybody's afraid of change.
Don't get me wrong.
I understand why there arecertain changes that are good.
What I don't think was good inmy eyes was going from structure
in a school to homeschool withno structure back to structure
in a school.
I think that completely jackkids up mentally and how they

(45:15):
approach school, how theyapproach learning and how they
approach a lot of other things.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Well, not just the kids, the parents too.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Oh, for sure, for sure.
But, I think it depended on theparents Because, like my wife
has always been a very hands-onperson when it comes to our
kids' learning I try to be, butwith me working full-time and
her being a stay-at-home mom,she's more hands-on with the
kids' learning and so and shehas ADHD, like completely

(45:45):
understood.
We know I do as well.
Mine's never been diagnosed, Ijust know because of how I learn
and how I do things.
Like, if I'm not in a classroom, don't expect me to learn
anything from online.
It's just not gonna happen.
I don't care how much I love it, I cannot sit there and watch
somebody talk to me for an hour.
But my wife was always very goodwith the kids, but, taking that

(46:07):
, I have three older boys thatweren't getting all the
attention, and so the youngertwo still got the structure, the
older three did not, and me andmy oldest would go rounds Cause
I'm like, look, I get it, I'vegot three screens.
I work from home.
I'm always on the internet.
I understand what you're doing,because I do the same shit.
I can't learn online, I get it,but you put him back in the

(46:30):
classroom and now everythingchanges.
Now he goes back to straightA's and not failing and it's
because when he's online, hisfocus is not on the course, it's
.
I've got all these other thingsI can do and we can't be there
all the time.
We can't force him to doeverything by its due date.
I mean, we could, but it's verydifficult when you got five

(46:51):
kids.
And when we get five kids, noneof this was a thing, none of it
.
And then it became a thing.
So don't say oh, you chose tohave five kids.
Yes, I did, but I did notchoose to have a pandemic.
Just say it.
Ha ha, ha ha.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
The average age for people to get diagnosed or for
children to get diagnosed withADHD is seven, and there's
debate about this, that's if youchoose to.
It's what.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's if you choose to.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, if you choose to.
Well, well, people startnoticing those behaviors and
let's see like boys are threetimes more likely to get
diagnosed with ADHD than girls.
However, there's some debateabout that, because in girls
ADHD manifests differently.
Where a guy with a boy ishyperactive, explosive, going

(47:48):
here and there for a girl, she'sinattentive, she internalizes
it and it's very spacey.
Usually that gets diagnosed assomething else other than ADHD,
like depression or somethingelse, but in reality it's ADHD

(48:10):
in addition with anotherneurodivergent condition.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I can understand what you're saying there, because
you're right.
My boys are very active.
They never stop, ever.
But I don't believe inmedicating my children For me.
It's something I don't believein.
I won't give them riddle in, Iwon't give them anything to calm
them down.
No, no, no.
We're going to find a way tofocus your energy.
We're going to find a way tofocus your thoughts.
We're going to find what worksfor you.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Your flow trigger.
You gotta find their flowtrigger.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Exactly because, in my eyes, if you medicate them
now, you get rid of what'sspecial.
You get rid of that triggerbecause now they're medicated.
So now they're just gonna sitthere and be like, yeah, okay,
whatever you say, whatever youwant me to do, I'll do.
Like, no, no, no, I want you to.
I need to be able to find theirtrigger point, their focus

(49:06):
point.
Once I find that, then we couldtalk.
We could work around all theother issues, but I need to find
that.
And when I have my own videoediting and digital or graphic
design those two things.
Video editing, graphic designall day, Athletics and things
like that.
No, Not his style, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
You're gonna do this.
I want you to do a YouTubechannel.
As soon as you feel froggy, godo it.
And he's like okay, mothers,still working on it, still
finding their niche, but youfind their niche and they will
excel.
You just gotta find it.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
He's a special thinker.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Special thinker he thinks of paintings, arts,
videos, lights, shapes, colors.
Special thinker Well, amandawas saying she's a daydreamer.
That's another thing that womendo is daydream.
They dream, they becomeadaptive.
They're extremely smart, butthey are extremely I think
spacey.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I think spacey and those that are thought of as
unintelligent and again, yes,there are some, and that's men
and women.
Both are fucking brain dead,but I think a lot when they
daydream are thought of asspacey and unintelligent, when
in reality it's just their mindis going in different places

(50:32):
that you can't see.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Right, and for girls or women with ADHD it happens
more often than someone who isnot.
Who doesn't?
I mean, everybody will daydream.
Everybody daydreams.
About 20% doesn't have theirinternal monologue, but they
daydream.
But what was it called?
But it is.
But people with ADHD it justhappens.

(50:54):
It's just a noticeable amountmore.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, so yeah, I will go off and literally be in my
own mind.
I will literally just go offand just as I'm talking to my
wife, she'll say something thatI'll like spawn a thought and
I'll be gone and she'll keeptalking and I'm like, yeah, okay
, babe.
Like I will literally just saythings just because I know I

(51:18):
hear her, but in reality in myhead I'm not even there anymore,
like at all.
Just something she saidtriggered a thought that just
sent me off in its hand.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Oh for a girl, they are so for any.
Or also with let me get mythoughts together.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Is that ADHD brain man?
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I wanted to get a girl on here as well so they can
explain their experience.
Like Amanda, I noticed she saidbefore she had she had ADHD.
I'm all like, oh, I wish I.
I tried to get a Camiri,speaking of people from our past
.
I tried to get a Camiri Kim ora Kim.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Oh, dude, you should have told me I would've reached
out to her.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
No, she said.
She said like she was busy soshe couldn't make it.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
So I already tried, but yeah, Kim is awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I love her.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, Kim, what is that?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Kylie, kylie, kylie.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Camiri Kylie Kim.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
No, she's ADHD and I tried to get her on and I wanted
to know, but she got busy.
So what's it called?
Amanda was saying well, forwomen they are.
For a guy, it's very extrovert,they explode hyperactive.
For a woman, it's a lot moreemotional.
For a woman with ADHD, theybecome hyper, fixated on.

(52:45):
They have also emotionalirregularities.
Everybody, I mean both boys andgirls, but it would be like for
a girl that gets bumped into orthey greet someone hey, how's
it going?
That person is like eh, then,like for Amanda, she would be
thinking well, why did theyrespond to me like that?

(53:09):
Did I do something wrong?
Is there Matt, is theresomething I can do?
And she gets fixated like allthe way up until lunchtime.
Then all of a sudden shecompletely forgets about it, but
for that entire time that's theonly thing that's in her head.
What did I do?
Why would I do that?
Because they have trouble.
What's it called regulatingtheir emotions?

(53:30):
It's emotional impulse control,that's-.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
And Andrea, who is on her husband's account her phone
probably died said yes, we aretied to our emotions and that is
the.
I think that is the biggestdifference.
The biggest difference betweenmen and women is how they are
tied to their emotions, and Italk about this a lot on the
rest of my content.

(53:54):
That I do is men have a problemexpressing emotion in any way,
shape or form and don't reallyregulate their emotions all that
well, whereas women Well, whena guy Hides to their emotions
and respond emotionally morefrequently.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Well, when a guy expresses emotions they could be
they often they get like it's.
The people tend to say it's ablow up, it's either overly
expressive in some ways, shapeor form.
Yeah, it's a blow up and thenall of a sudden-.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Or anger or rage, or sadness, whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Right and everybody would say, oh, it would scare a
lot of people.
So people would say I wish guyswould be more in control or
would emote more.
But when we emote all of asudden it's like, oh my God,
this guy's a psycho.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So it's toxic masculinity.
Then what?
I heard a story of a girl.
She had testosterone cream,like she put some on her arm
like by mistake and next thingshe knows she was extremely
aroused and was just like angerand aroused by her boss and her
coworker and she went into therestroom and she said what's

(55:01):
wrong?
And then she remembered oh yeah, I got that cream on me that
had a full a guy's full dose oftestosterone.
That's when she realized guysare a lot more in control of
their emotions than she gavethem credit for, because if that
was one day's worth, imagine aguy going through that day in
and day out.
That is, yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And again it's a different thought process.
And this is how men and womenare very different, even with
ADHD, because, again, likeAndrea said, they, a lot of
their Brain power gets tied toemotion, whereas a lot of ours
get tied to logic.
And again, that's not to saywomen aren't logical, that's

(55:44):
just to say men hold in theiremotions and regulate their
emotions until they blow up.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
All right, all right, I'm gonna say this, remember
tend to be Women, tend to beemotional, men tend to be
logical.
Again, if you were to make abet, yes.
I would be logical.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Again, it's a generalization.
It's not all, it's ageneralization.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
There's extremes on both ends, I know.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Always is, whereas with women that react more
emotionally, it makes it harder.
And that is because, if youlook at it, when you're looking
at things like ADHD and howwomen daydream and how people do
things and how women and menare different, that's the same
in every regard, every way youlook at it.

(56:31):
Because of genetics, because ofhormone levels, because of
whatever you wanna call it,they're different and so, even
with ADHD, to your point, boyswill be rambunctious and run
around and go crazy and all thisother stuff.
Girls will space out anddaydream in this.

(56:51):
At the third, In turn.
In the end result is alwaysgoing to be the same, and this
is what I look at as the endresult.
The end result is give themsomething to focus on.
They're very different, butfind their trigger, find their
weakness, whatever it is,whatever you wanna call it, find

(57:14):
that pressure point that'll getthem to focus and both of those
things will be gone.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Well, like I mentioned two things, that puts
someone with ADHD in flow modeis something they're interested
in and something dangerous,something that would have
consequences if you don't dothat Now, with women with ADHD
and emotional control, they havethree situations in which they

(57:40):
which is another hurdle theyhave hormone shifts every month.
They have hormone shifts whenthey're pregnant and they have
hormone shifts that later on intheir life menopause.
That is what are we on.
Number five, on anothersuperpower people with ADHD that
have trouble controlling theiremotions is we are extremely
empathic.

(58:00):
We understand what somebody elseis going through or what
they're feeling, and shouldapproach thing Is because
sometimes every once in a whilewe have that I have like
emotional outrageous.
But because I have those, Iunderstand when someone's angry,

(58:21):
when someone's sad.
How to approach this, how toapproach that, what's the best
way to get them to listen toreason, because I understand
what they're going through.
My wife it's scared the hellout of my wife.
She was years ago.
She said someone at herhospital, a doctor, ended his
life.
He terminated early.

(58:42):
And I'm all like, oh, that's ashame, isn't it?
That scared the hell out of herthe fact that I was able to
blow it off.
The thing is that she didn'tunderstand that we come from a
third battalion At the height ofit.
I did the math Within a twoyear span we had six
self-terminations.
Was it six?

(59:04):
Yeah, it was six, six, okay,within a two year span, two.
Interesting question.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Oops, you're watching one off too, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Two accidents?
No, that was three accidents.
And what was it called Anattempt, an attempt, An attempt?
The guy who was going to askfor this.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
This one I will never , I will never forget, is the
Humvee.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
The Humvee.
Yeah, I was part of that.
I was the one behind it.
So the thing is I was becauseof my emotions and I understood
that situation.
Like at first, I had a hardtime with it.
That was September 19th 2012.
His name was Will.
I saw the top of his head.
I'm the one who called in tothe police to get the people.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I was the humbussier.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I was on the Humvee behind him.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Time out.
So I got to ask in everybody inchat right now, while most of
them anyways know I deal veryhighly in men's mental health,
how in the hell have you beenable to process that process
that for so long?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, it wasn't my first time, remember before,
remember I said there was withina two year span, there was six
and three accidents.
That was one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Right, but I'm talking about you seeing it.
So did you see the rest or not?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
No, I saw the guys.
I could see his brain.
I did that.
He was missing this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah, you're talking about Willis, right?
Will's, yeah, will's, yeah,yeah.
So I'm talking about the rest,the rest that had happened.
You were not there nor saw, so,being able to see Will's, how
have you been able to processand deal with that for as long
as you have?
Because, for as long as I'veknown you, you have been a lot

(01:00:52):
more grounded and able to dealwith these situations than a lot
of others have met.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
So I can cope with it easier.
I've had so much practice on itLike my ADHD mind can have that
moment of emotional.
I have practice coping.
Yeah, I have practice coping.
All right, I'm not saying I doit in a healthy way.
My brother notices that I havean angry tip.
When I'm thinking about whatI'm angry, I'm like I don't

(01:01:21):
notice I'm doing it, I hit myleg, I do it, I know I have one.
Yeah, he notices that I'm doingit and he says you're
internalizing something I haveto.
He's recommending me processingthat.
Usually, when I'm doing that,I'm thinking of something that
angers me.
Yeah, but before you, evenbefore you even got to third,
there was even a murder.
Why does that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
not shock me?
Why does that not shock me?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So there was a murder .
It got to the point where wewere so good at the memorials,
other people would come to thirdbattalion for us to help them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
You know what the sad part about that is and look,
and I do want to get back, wegot to finish up this episode
and we will get back to it and Iknow for those in chat
understand me and AR go way backand we've dealt with a lot.
I do want to say this is afinal part for all my veterans
out there and all those thathave watched that I have been
veterans or listening onlineUnderstand this.

(01:02:18):
What third did and what thirdhas done when we were there was
completely under bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
All right, he said third military information
support battalion.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Third yeah, for those that don't know, they gave
awards for doing memorialservices, memorials, being there
for your brothers and sistersthat, in one way, shape or form,
are no longer with us.
That is something we did withhonor and with pride, because

(01:02:53):
they deserved better than whatthey got.
It is not something that shouldhave ever been awarded, ever,
and the fact that the commandthought, in the right mind, that
this deserves an award, in myeyes, was completely under
bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Here's something you might not know.
Third battalion was an anomaly.
People from other battalionscalled us slaughter battalion
because we had so many selfdeletions and accidents.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Because we had the worst.
I'm out.
I can say what I want, but I'mgonna bite my tongue.
So look, this is aboutcybersecurity.
This is about ADHD.
I'm gonna tie it up because I'mgonna lose my shit If I don't.
They are, Please help anybodywith ADHD, Anybody trying to
hire someone with ADHD.

(01:03:44):
Give your words of wisdom, giveyour advice.
Let them know how it go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
People with ADHD think differently than what you
might expect.
That is an asset.
If possible, get as many as youcan, because they will give you
insight and creativity andconnections that you would never
have thought of, even possible.
They find somehow through achain of events and thoughts and

(01:04:13):
memories.
They will connect to lead toeither a solution, something new
, something fresh, somethinginnovative, something
inspirational, to the pointwhere it will make a major shift
in your.
It would cause a disruption.

(01:04:37):
So, people who think regularlyas you would say, you do the
same things over and over.
You'll get the same results.
People with ADHD don't thinkthe same way and that will give
you something.
Okay, arash, you'll take newrisks, you will have new
insights, you will have newproblem solving, new solutions

(01:04:59):
to problems and an additionskills that another superpower
people with ADHD, because ourattention shifts so much.
We are a jack of all trades, wehave so many skills because we
hyper focus on one skill.
Then, a couple months later,another skill, another skill,
and we'll have life experiencethat you wouldn't even think was

(01:05:24):
necessary but will eventuallysomehow benefit you, one or
another.
It's chaotic, it's interesting.
You'll get passion, you'll getenthusiasm, you get high energy,
all that things.
So All right, I love it I didn'twanna end it on a bad note when
we go back on the talk about no, we gotta end it positively.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
We gotta end it positively.
How's it note?
So I will say this look, I loveyou all.
You've all been amazing.
Thank you for joining me thisevening.
Thank you for joining SARTANAR.
I love you, brother.
As always, this has beenSecurity Happy Hour and, for
those that don't know, you canalways donate.
Check the description onYouTube.
This is up all the time.
I don't get rid of any episodes.

(01:06:06):
I'm up to like 140 something,maybe almost 150, so we're
getting there.
Otherwise, I love you all.
You're all amazing.
You all belong here and Ireally hope to find you all a
succeeding and excelling incybersecurity.
I don't care what anybody saysabout you.
You all deserve to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Hey, tell Bizzle, it was good to see him too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Take care and I will see you next week with another
amazing episode.