September 22, 2025 • 39 mins
We're back! After dusting off our microphones ~ cobwebs and all ~ we've returned from our very long hiatus with a renewed sense of purpose and clarity about who we are and what we're meant to do.
This break wasn't just about rest; it was a necessary reset that allowed us to step away from the algorithm-chasing hamster wheel and reconnect with our authentic voices. The social media pressure had turned our passion project into a draining full-time job on top of our already full-time roles as moms. During our time away, our friendship deepened through uncomfortable but necessary conversations, and we gained powerful insights about ourselves and this journey we're meant to be on.
So here we are, ready to embrace our true purpose: creating space for paradigm-shifting conversations that challenge black-and-white thinking. We are here to question reality and help others see beyond illusions by sharing multiple viewpoints and showing there is more than one way of seeing things. Together, we're inviting you into the gray areas where growth happens, even when ~ especially when ~ it feels uncomfortable.
Season 4 brings exciting changes! We're shifting our focus from traditional social media (which we've found increasingly toxic) to Patreon. A platform where we can connect more authentically with people who genuinely resonate with our message and we can create community for deeper discussions in a safe space.
Our foundational ethos remains: be open and stay curious. We're not afraid to tackle challenging topics or invite perspectives we don't fully agree with. The invitation is to approach differences with an open mind and heart, remembering that disagreement doesn't make someone wrong or right, good or bad ~ it simply reflects our unique life experiences.
Ready for authentic conversations that might make you a little uncomfy but leave you with expanded perspective? Then join us over on Patreon and let the games begin!
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Leah (00:00):
It's time to dust off the old mics, Literally.
I was vacuuming cobwebs off ofthese last night.
Austin was helping me.
He's like I'm not touching that.
Christine (00:15):
When did we record our last?
Leah (00:18):
Well, so our last one came out in December, but we
recorded before that because wehad batched them.
So I think it's been maybe 10months in December, but we
recorded before that because wehad batched them, oh, wow.
So I think it's been maybe 10months.
Wow, it's been a long time.
First off, surprise, surprisesurprise, surprise Hi everybody
(00:46):
Guess who's back Back againSayoto's back.
Christine (00:51):
Tell a friend Holy shit it's been a minute.
Leah (00:54):
It feels weird.
It feels very strange.
Tell them what you just saw onyour phone, though.
Christine (01:00):
Oh, your memories.
Yeah, you know how your phone,like your iPhone, pulls up like
we'll make a random album orvideo.
So today, this is what pulledup, and it's just a bunch of
pictures of you and I.
That's right and I love that,or is it?
No, it's not coincidental.
(01:21):
Anyways, we've missed you all.
Leah (01:26):
Where have we been?
Christine (01:28):
How do we even start?
Well, how about this?
Okay, let's talk about why wedecided to take a break.
Okay, and get deeper into that.
Leah (01:39):
I think we did this not knowing whether or not we would
come back or when we would comeback or what I just said.
If we would come back, wewanted to leave that door open
and I think, especially withwhat was going on last year.
(02:02):
We recorded our last episode inNovember, before the election.
I do remember that it wasbefore the election happened and
just watching what washappening in real time.
We wanted to take a break fromsocial media.
We wanted to take a break fromthis because of burnout and we I
(02:22):
think we talked about that inour last episode just how, like,
how much time and energy we putinto what we're doing and how
little return we're getting andit's not it's not to say what we
(02:43):
do doesn't feel good, but itstarted to turn into a full-time
job and we're both full-timemoms.
Christine (02:52):
Yeah, I think that's a good.
I think too, um, you know,after our mushroom journeys and
you know us getting into plantmedicine, we were very excited
to share our experiences andtalk about things that maybe a
(03:14):
lot of people didn't talk aboutat the time.
I think it's obviously becomingmore common and mainstream now.
Leah (03:22):
If it's not, where have you been?
Are you living under a?
Christine (03:26):
rock, but also during that time, I think we lost our
sense of ourselves a little bit,in our purpose.
We had a lot of people who werehelping us and obviously very
grateful that they helped us,but it was like it turned into
okay, you have to follow thealgorithm and this is what you
(03:47):
do and this is how many timesyou post and this is the kind
type of content you'd need topost.
And these are what's trendingright now, and hop on the trends
before they take off and Ithink for you and I, it took
some time away to realize thatthat wasn't us, and part of our
burnout was not always feelinglike we were showing up
(04:09):
authentically and I think eventoo, like we've brought a lot of
human design into it and withyou being a manifester, me being
a projector if you are eitherof those design types, hopefully
you understand that.
I think sometimes it's okay tonot go with the algorithm or to
not go with what's trending andto learn how to go with the ebbs
(04:33):
and flows of what you arefeeling and that be okay and, um
, honestly, fuck the algorithmand learning to show up in a way
that is authentic and if itdoesn't feel authentic, you
don't have to show up, and Ithink we're missing a lot of
(04:54):
that on social media right now.
It also got to a point for mepersonally where I just felt
really burnt out, specificallyon Instagram.
I'm not really on Facebook, Iam on TikTok and I kind of have
a different opinion on TikTokbecause I'm not necessarily
(05:17):
following many people that Iknow, or vice versa.
I feel like that is more of asocial media platform that is
curated, where what you post thepeople who it resonates with
will find you, and I don't feellike Instagram is that.
I feel like Instagram has notbeen the vibe for me lately.
(05:41):
Um, and I've kind of struggledwith that Cause a lot of times
it's like people you do know, um, I've I just think it's become
a really um, kind of a toxicplatform.
Leah (05:56):
If I'm going to be quite honest, I also have to say that
part of what you're saying hasnothing to do with politics.
Christine (06:04):
Yeah.
Leah (06:04):
It's.
It's a very different.
Instagram has a very differentenergy.
Yes, and I I think taking abreak from it, because I we took
a break from it for the podcast, but we also took a break from
it personally.
Christine (06:20):
Yeah.
Leah (06:21):
And it felt really good.
Christine (06:23):
Yeah.
Leah (06:32):
Yeah, and it felt really good.
Yeah, but explain what you meanby Instagram being toxic and
what you think now, because Ithink it took like seeing
someone else saying it, for usto be like oh my God, that
resonates yeah, so when westarted this podcast, it was um
a lot of focus on instagram andnot really any focus on tiktok
(06:56):
because we're just eldermillennials because I don't know
how to work work this app, andthen it got to a point where it
was easier to find our people onTikTok accidentally, without
trying as hard, is what I kindof.
Christine (07:15):
And we've learned Because, again, I think, another
thing bringing human designinto it we are three fives and
so what you've taught me is thatwe are meant to reach a broader
audience, and I think tiktok isthat platform our impact as a
five is more impersonal and itit just means elaborate, what
(07:40):
that means yeah.
Leah (07:41):
so, um, as a three five, we are like the experimenters,
is the three part of us and thefive if you don't know human
design, I'm so sorry like fastforward, like 30 seconds.
And the five part of us is likethe liberator, the martyr, the
um heretic, like we experimentand then we talk about it and
(08:05):
that talking about it is ourgift to the world, to the
external world, and we are meantto talk about it in a broader
audience, a very impersonalaudience, because what we have
to share, our close people arenot necessarily going to
(08:28):
resonate with it.
Christine (08:30):
And that's kind of where our impact going is wider.
We have a wider net to cast,yeah, and I think with Instagram
it has been um, a lot offriends, family, acquaintances
who follow us or follow whatwe're doing, but they don't
necessarily maybe understand orI just think again, there's a
(08:54):
lot of misconceptions about whatwe've talked about in the past
and we're going to even divedeeper into that.
Dive deeper into that Um, but Ithink we are meant to hit a
broad audience of people wedon't know Um and we're meant to
show up on like, for whateverreason it resonates with
strangers.
Um, it has seemed to work forus better with, like I said,
(09:16):
without even trying, and itfeels has felt more authentic
for us.
So, um, I guess on to say thatwe are going to focus on TikTok
more, um, because that's wherewe feel, uh, more comfortable
and it feels more authentic.
I also just me personally havefelt that Instagram has become
(09:42):
this weird place of people whoknow you silently watching,
watching but not supporting.
I've had that experience withthe podcast, but also before
that, owning a business, andfelt that, and so I want to go
(10:05):
where we are going to reachpeople that we are meant to
reach Um, and so for right nowand again, that may change.
We are all about changing ouropinion and changing the
direction, but for right now weare going to focus mostly on
TikTok.
So if you are on there, there,you should follow us there.
Leah (10:27):
Instagram is for the haters.
Christine (10:29):
Instagram is for the haters.
I didn't want to say that, soI'm glad you said that Should.
Leah (10:33):
I not have said that.
Not everybody is a hater, butit very much is like people feel
obligated to follow us becausethey know us, but they don't
resonate with what we're posting.
So they don't like theinformation, they don't share
the information.
We're not mad about that, bythe way.
Yeah, it's really.
I think it's information.
I don't.
I don't think that, like, justbecause you're a friend of mine,
(10:54):
you have to resonate with whatI'm saying.
I really don't believe that.
So this is not a personalattack against anybody who
follows us, who's supporting us.
We appreciate that support, butpersonally, for me, as a
manifester, you don't have to beon my train yeah and it's okay,
(11:19):
that's kind of your lifepurpose that's my.
I'm gonna go in the directionI'm gonna go in and the I'm
going to go in the direction I'mgoing to go in and the people
who want to go in that directionare welcome.
And if you don't want to,that's okay too, but I'm going
to keep going.
Christine (11:33):
Yeah, that's also funny that you say that, because
my last mushroom this pastspring was about um, my voice
and speaking um, and being ableto speak loudly and boldly, um,
(11:55):
in a way that my ancestors didnot have that same opportunity.
So it's why my voice mattersthat much more, and so I want to
continue to do that, but I alsowant to continue to do that in
ways that feel good to me orfeel I don't even know.
(12:17):
Authentic, authentic, yeah.
Leah (12:19):
Maybe even some of the things that we have learned in
the past couple of years that wehave kept to ourselves because
they're hard to talk about orbecause we know that, like
talking about it might make somebuttholes clench, because it
made ours clench at first.
You know what I'm saying.
I think what we're trying tosay here is that we want to come
(12:43):
back in a bigger way.
I think that our focus is goingnot going away from
psychedelics and the healingjourney, but, like our whole
platform has been, about givinga perspective, giving different
perspectives on maybe not sonormally talked about or
(13:08):
stigmatized areas.
That is like we've been doingthis from day one, having very
uncomfy conversations withpeople that we don't necessarily
understand, and coming out ofit with a better understanding
and learning something that wedidn't expect to learn.
It's what we've been doing, andso I want to talk about.
(13:35):
I want us to be authentic andtalk about our life experiences
without holding back.
Christine (13:41):
Yes.
Leah (13:42):
And where maybe we've opened up and shifted in other
ways.
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't know if we were goingto go here, but that prompt that
I sent you yesterday about bothof our purposes and human
design, you want to share it.
(14:03):
I kind of, I kind of do want youto share it, and then the
paragraph above it Okay, hang on, let me find it I think I sent
you a screenshot of it, butbecause I think it's also been,
the last several years hasreally been us unlearning and
learning who we are and whowe're supposed to be.
And the more we lean into whowe're supposed to be and like
(14:29):
practicing using our voices andin different ways, um, the more
this kind of resonates andeverything feels like a practice
leading up to this, is it?
Christine (14:40):
this one.
I just want to make sure.
Leah (14:42):
Do you want to go ahead and read it?
Christine (14:43):
this kind of resonates and everything feels
like a practice leading up tothis.
Is it this one?
I just want to make sure, doyou?
want to go ahead and read it, Ithink the other thing I don't
think that's it, but I'm goingto find it Okay I think the
other thing too is um, thisbreak was very much so needed
from the both of us, and whilewe were on this break, uh, it
actually helped our friendship.
Um, we talked about this before, but it really felt like such a
(15:06):
job.
Um, and I think a lot of thethings we're posting were
because we felt like we had topost an episode.
We had to.
You know, there's a lot of workthat goes in behind it.
Um, and I think a lot of ourtime went into the podcast and
having that break.
We got to have a lot of time tojust like be, friends and
(15:29):
because of that, we've gottencloser and we've been able to
we'll get into this in adifferent episode but we've had
conversations that we werescared to have with each other
and they ended up beingwonderful.
Um, and I feel like it was kindof like another layer that got
cracked open, um, where we wereable to talk about, uh, some
(15:55):
things that I see in the worldpeople are having a really hard
time talking about Um, and wegot to grow closer because we
had some uncomfortableconversations about
uncomfortable topics and I thinkthat's kind of the whole
purpose of what our podcaststarted on, and it's going to
(16:18):
evolve more into um, into evenbroader and, you know, different
topics, um, and, yeah, I'mexcited where this is going to
go.
Leah (16:30):
Um, I remember having this conversation with my husband
and then your husband brought itup on spring break.
He was like you know.
I was worried for a minute thatlike your friendship was like
yeah going to fall apart andthat you guys were going to
drift apart.
Christine (16:50):
And can I mention we were on MDMA.
Leah (16:52):
Were we?
No, I was.
I was talking about on springbreak.
Oh, no, not, not, not that part, but it was a conversation then
too.
We had that conversation onMDMA too, but that's funny
because it came up then.
But I remember on spring breakhe was like you know, I was
really worried that it wouldaffect your friendship and, if
anything, it's made it stronger.
(17:14):
And I was like I agree and I'veliterally said the same thing
to my husband that, like thisbreak only, made us better.
Christine (17:23):
I think it made us healthier individually and
together and I really, reallylove that.
I love.
You know, we talk a lot aboutrelationships.
I don't think I don't thinkthat there are enough
conversations about friendshipsand how it's okay with
friendships to have like breakperiods, hard conversations.
(17:44):
Um, you know, I think we had toreally take a look at ourselves
and the day to day and be like,okay, we're both burnt out.
We're really burnt out on thisand um, that was a very hard
conversation where there were alot of tears and it ended up
being wonderful.
And sometimes those hardconversations are needed because
(18:05):
it's an opportunity is what Istrongly believe to grow with
that person and evolve with thatperson.
So I do love a hardconversation.
Leah (18:16):
Yeah, they're hard for a reason.
We even did an episode, I think, one time called like let's get
uncomfy.
Like we talked about howgetting uncomfortable like
nobody wants to do it, right,but in those uncomfortable
moments, if you can sit in thoseuncomfortable moments and and
(18:37):
actually listen, um, and not getdysregulated, in it, you have
more compassion, you have moreempathy, you have a different
perspective and like you cancome out of it like much, much
stronger.
Um, I want to read this becausewe were kind of like, where is
the direction of this going totake us and is this shift in
(18:59):
direction going to reallyfucking throw people off?
Because it feels very different.
Um, it says, uh, we started apodcast about psychedelics and
healing, but what we've reallybeen doing all along is holding
space for uncomfortable,paradigm shifting conversation.
This is very much in line withI hate to keep bringing human
(19:23):
design into this, but like we'vereally been on a journey of
that to like discovering reallydeep, deep, deep parts of
ourselves through human design.
Christine (19:34):
If you're not into human design, get with it.
Get with the program.
Leah (19:39):
Because we've learned so much about ourselves and each
other and the people in ourlives.
But there's this thing in humandesign.
It's called the incarnationcross and it is like truly,
truly, truly, who you're meantto be, what you're supposed to
be to the world.
And mine is about questioningreality, seeing through
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illusions, inviting others to bereceptive to a new perspective.
I'm here to shake people awakeand help them see beyond the
surface.
Now, if you would have saidthis to me six years ago, I
would have laughed at you.
That is not my place.
I don't speak up.
Christine (20:21):
Yeah.
Leah (20:22):
Now I read this and I'm like holy shit, I've been doing
that.
Christine (20:25):
Yeah.
Leah (20:25):
Well, let's do more of it.
Christine (20:27):
Human design is about the deconditioning.
Leah (20:30):
Yes, the process of deconditioning and the parts,
finding parts of yourself thatwere were not necessarily who
you were, but who you thoughtyou should be, and then really
figuring out who you aresupposed to be.
Yours is about synthesizingmultiple viewpoints, weaving
stories, history and context,showing people that there isn't
(20:51):
just one way of seeing things,and it's about the richness and
perspectives of connectionthrough dialogue.
Bitch, we've been doing itRight, we've been doing it, but
we're going to do it more.
We're going to do it more andwe've been afraid to go beyond
what we have touched so far, andI think that we're finally at a
(21:15):
point where we're not afraid totouch on some stuff we're not
afraid to touch on some stuff.
Christine (21:24):
I think for you it's been fear.
I think for me it's has notbeen fear.
It's been about trying to staygrounded and really get as much
information in a unbiased way tothen share it.
Leah (21:50):
What's interesting about?
I'd never thought of thatbefore.
Like mine has absolutely beenfear, I think.
I want to touch on this too.
I think yours has been.
It's not about the delivery,it's not about what you say,
it's about the delivery.
Christine (22:03):
Yeah, forever working on it.
Leah (22:05):
Right, and I'm always working on my fear, like of
speaking out, but like yours has, like I will say like the way
that you are able to carry hardconversations and stay regulated
and grounded is so admirable,and I said this to you the other
day, but I'm going to say itagain Like I have watched, like
(22:29):
where, I think when we started,you were afraid to speak, you
let me do all the talking, andnow we're, I think, in a
position where you have so muchmore grace in your delivery and
(22:50):
patience in your delivery andyou can feel the difference.
Every time you talk to me aboutstuff, I am just like, holy
shit, you are like sowell-versed in this, you are so
articulate, like you know what Imean, and I think I had a place
for that, but mine has justbeen fear, holding back for that
(23:15):
.
Christine (23:15):
Well, and we talked about this like when, you know,
I started my, I guess planthealing journey a couple of
years after you and so when westarted the podcast, you were
you know more into it than I was.
I had literally like done amushroom journey on February, in
February, and I think westarted or January, and then we
(23:37):
started recording like March orApril.
So I didn't necessarily know,um, everything I was talking
about.
I knew how it made me feel andI knew the ways that it had like
changed my life and like mythought patterns.
And then when we startedrecording, you were always
somebody who went down theserabbit holes with these topics
(24:02):
and you were so knowledgeableand I was somebody who struggled
with my place on where to fitin with that.
If you were the one who wasthat information seeker and I
think this break has and alsoyou getting certified in human
design obviously you're notthere yet, but you learning
(24:24):
about human design and thensharing that information with me
, and I've always been somebody.
You have so much knowledge andI want to learn it.
I feel like at this point, youmight as well be certified too,
and I've I've like absorbed alot of that information.
But you teaching me about myhuman design, I've also kind of
learned about my unique giftstoo, and we talked about this
(24:47):
the other day when we met up.
Um, I've really learned howgood I am with conversation with
people.
Um, if people are willing tohave it, that too, uh, that's,
that's the big one.
But I actually do really likehard conversation.
I actually really like You'vealways pushed for that when
(25:10):
someone doesn't agree with me, Iwant both people to be able to
stay grounded in thatconversation.
But I actually like to debateand I actually like to be like
well, have you thought aboutthis or have you thought about
that?
Or you know, and I'm I doreally try to be open to
somebody else, so saying thatback to me as well, and so I
(25:33):
really really liked learning,like, why people do what they do
, why they act, the way thatthey act, and I think that's
really honing in on me.
Being a projector is againbeing that bird on that branch
and all of the animals are downhere, and having just that
different vantage point.
(25:53):
Um, when it comes to like kindof the psychology and why we do
what we do, and having thoselike one-on-one conversations
with people.
I actually have really enjoyeda hard conversation, um, and I
wish I could have more of those,to be honest, because I think
(26:14):
it's like I am open to and Iwant that openness from the
other person as well, but butfinding that is hard, which
we'll get into that.
Leah (26:23):
That's a strength, because I don't know that I will ever
love debates.
I enjoy speaking my truth, butI don't.
I think it depends on on theperson that I'm speaking it to
and how I and how safe I feel inthat environment.
So debating is not necessarilylike something I enjoy.
(26:43):
I don't like confrontation, butI want to be able to speak my
truth and I think that thispodcast has allowed me to feel
safe in what I say.
Christine (26:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Leah (26:55):
I'm not against having a conversation with somebody with
with a different view.
Christine (27:00):
Yeah.
Leah (27:01):
I think it depends on the conversation and the person and
um where they are.
Christine (27:07):
Yeah, I've kind of learned to, even when the
conversation doesn't go as I'dhoped, um that I hope that that
person is able to at least sitwith what I'm saying, even if it
triggers them, even if it makesthem uncomfortable, even if
they think it's completely wrongCause I think I don't know.
Leah (27:32):
With that being said, um welcome to season four.
Christine (27:38):
Yeah, holy shit.
Leah (27:41):
We're doing this more on our terms.
We want to be as authentic aspossible, and some things are
going to look different, butthere are a lot of things about
our podcast that are staying thesame, and that is that we are
open to hearing every side andevery perspective.
(28:03):
That is also to say, like ourwhole fucking slogan is stay
open, be curious, see you on theother side.
That is still going to stand.
Christine (28:18):
Yeah.
Leah (28:19):
I think it's going to be an invitation for people to like
.
I need you to stay really openfor this conversation.
Christine (28:25):
Yeah.
Leah (28:26):
You don't have to agree with everything, you don't?
We've had people on our podcastwe don't agree with.
Yeah, but we're open to hearingit.
Yeah, and I learned this abouthaving fights in relationships
Like it's not about who is rightor wrong in like a relationship
(28:47):
.
Like I'm just going to throwthis out there.
I was going to do this later,but I'll throw it out here now.
Like 69% of arguments in arelationship between partners is
not solvable, it's not fixable.
It's not about conflictresolution in those situations.
It's about conflict managementand how you speak to each other
and how you make each other feelin those moments, because it's
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about a difference inperspective.
A lot of times, it's not aboutwho's right or wrong when you're
going into an argument or aconversation with somebody that
you love it's.
It's more about.
This is how I see it and thisis how I feel.
How do you see it and how doyou feel?
Those are going to be verydifferent answers.
Christine (29:30):
I love that.
Leah (29:31):
Neither one is wrong.
Christine (29:32):
Right, yeah, Cause we all have different backgrounds,
different perspectives,different upbringings, Um, and I
think about, I always thinkabout.
You know her, I don't but thewoman who messaged us and when
we came out with this podcast itwas like oh gosh, there are
(29:54):
these moms who are talking abouthow they do mushrooms and drugs
and immediately was like no,Like I can't believe she's
talking about it out loud andthis is, I guess, what I kind of
mean, where I hope it sits withyou for a little bit, because
then she kind of came around andshe, you know we got a lot of
that Um, I think, out loud andsilently, um, where people just
(30:19):
made these assumptions withoutknowing anything about what it
was that we're talking about andin the way that we are talking
about it.
Obviously if you've beenlistening you know we're not
like out just doing drugs allthe time.
Leah (30:31):
I'm really happy she stuck around and listened to what we
had to say.
Christine (30:35):
And I have a lot of respect for the fact that she.
She came in that way andadmitted, like I judged you
because I used to also besomebody who had very black and
we'll get into this, um inanother episode but very black
and white, thinking abouteverything, um, and it took some
(30:55):
inner work to be like oh mygosh, maybe I don't know
everything that's crazy, andmaybe this black and white
there's actually some gray inbetween.
Leah (31:06):
That's actually a sign of intelligence, when you realize
you actually don't knoweverything.
Christine (31:11):
Yes, yes, a hundred percent, and I think it's a
protective mechanism and I getit, I understand it and I've
been there.
So hopefully we can have moreconversations where we're kind
of speaking from the other sideand we're able to again
interview people we don't agreewith a hundred percent, or I
(31:33):
think it's.
We've really gotten into thisblack and white thinking of oh,
I don't agree with this, so thatmeans I don't agree with them,
or they are bad, and we've kindof want to stray away from that
and ask you to be a little bitmore open minded and open
hearted, because it's like thereare some things where you may
not agree with us or whoeverwe're interviewing or whatever
(31:56):
we're talking about, but maybethere's some middle ground there
were talking about, but maybethere's some middle ground there
, maybe there's some gray there.
Leah (32:02):
I also want to say that person ended up doing a journey,
shut up, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if I evertold you that.
Yeah, she did end up doing ajourney.
Christine (32:29):
So that's what.
I mean Like, just like stickingaround and listening to what we
had to say shifted herperspective enough to like
actually be curious about whatwe were doing and be like wait a
minute.
Right, I might benefit fromthat, and I think we want to
continue to normalize continuingto be able to sit in a
conversation even when we feelreally uncomfortable.
Leah (32:40):
I'm so uncomfortable even right now.
Do you see how?
Christine (32:43):
red my neck is Story of your life Literally.
But uncomfortable conversationsdoes not mean bad Right, so I
just want people to be open tothat.
Leah (32:58):
You know how many things are uncomfortable Everything.
Feelings are so fuckinguncomfortable.
Do you know how, how much werun from uncomfortable feelings
and uncomfortable situationsjust to protect ourselves like
we all have done it right?
Oh, absolutely, absolutelywe've all done it so, um, yeah,
I guess that's our should wetalk about, like, maybe what we
(33:21):
plan on doing with, like, thePatreon?
Christine (33:24):
Yes, you go for that.
Leah (33:26):
Well, here's the thing.
I'm going to say this againwe're elder millennials.
Christine (33:32):
We don't know what we're doing.
You don't have to keep sayingthat.
Leah (33:34):
They already know.
I would love for us to start aPatreon and have subscribers who
align with what we're sayingand doing.
And I've also been saying fromday one what I would really love
(33:54):
to do is build a community, andit is so hard to build a
community on Instagram, onTikTok.
I wanted to have dialogue andconversation with our listeners.
And here's another thing too Ithink that what we talk about is
so stigmatized that sometimespeople on Instagram do like what
we're saying, but they'reafraid to like it because
(34:16):
somebody will see that they'reliking it.
Um, we had somebody in ourmicrodosing group make a fake
Instagram just so she could talkin our microdosing group.
Um, and that's just the realityof the world that we live in,
you know.
So I think we looked intosubscribers and through that, we
will have a group on Discordwhere we can talk, we can have
(34:49):
dialogue.
There will be different threads.
We will.
If there's an episode you guyswant to discuss specifically,
there will be a category forthat episode.
You can interact with usthrough that thread.
You can interact with otherpeople in that thread.
It can be anonymous, but inorder to be a part of that, you
have to subscribe to our Patreonchannel.
Christine (35:12):
This does not mean we won't continue to put out free
content we will still continueto do that but I just think this
is a little bit more importantand it will weed out the haters
and the people who are in thegray in what seems to feel like
(35:47):
a very black and white worldright now, and but they have
been scared to speak up, or youknow, and I completely, I
completely get it and I don'thave that fear, and you do have
that fear, but you're going to,you're going to speak up anyways
, and so it's for those people.
Leah (36:11):
Yes For the ones who are afraid to speak up and want
community still.
Yes, I also think that this kindof scratches, that itch that we
had with burnout, we've saidfrom the very beginning we don't
make money off of this.
There's no exchange with us.
(36:32):
This isn't going to make usmillionaires.
If you have to pay a $3 or a $5monthly subscription to like be
a part of our community, um,it's less than a Starbucks, yeah
, um, I have apps that cost memonthly more than that.
(36:53):
Um, so we're not trying to toto make money necessarily, but
we want it to be worth our timeand energy and we want to
continue doing what we're doing.
And if it makes us a little bitof money on the side, it will
feel like it's worth the job andworth the work that we put into
(37:16):
it.
Christine (37:17):
And I think what we do is we provide value to a lot
of our listeners and I thinkit's it's an energy exchange.
Leah (37:27):
I feel like right now I'm trying to explain why I think
we're I'm trying to justify andI in my head no, I don't need to
justify why I think what we dois worth, worth that.
I don't think that I know we'reworth it.
Um, so now anything else youwant to add?
Christine (37:45):
No.
Leah (37:45):
I am excited.
Christine (37:47):
I am excited for the future and, again, all I ask is
that, uh, you know you go intoit knowing that there are going
to be some things, some topicsthat may make you feel
uncomfortable, and to just youknow, um, try to remind yourself
to stay, again, open-minded andopen-hearted.
(38:07):
So, and grounded and grounded,yeah.
Leah (38:11):
With that, let the games begin.
Season four let's go.
Let's fucking go, baby, stayopen, open be, curious.
We'll see you guys on the otherside.
It's time to dust off the old mics, Literally.
I was vacuuming cobwebs off ofthese last night.
Austin was helping me.
He's like I'm not touching that.
Christine (00:15):
When did we record our last?
Leah (00:18):
Well, so our last one came out in December, but we
recorded before that because wehad batched them.
So I think it's been maybe 10months in December, but we
recorded before that because wehad batched them, oh, wow.
So I think it's been maybe 10months.
Wow, it's been a long time.
First off, surprise, surprisesurprise, surprise Hi everybody
(00:46):
Guess who's back Back againSayoto's back.
Christine (00:51):
Tell a friend Holy shit it's been a minute.
Leah (00:54):
It feels weird.
It feels very strange.
Tell them what you just saw onyour phone, though.
Christine (01:00):
Oh, your memories.
Yeah, you know how your phone,like your iPhone, pulls up like
we'll make a random album orvideo.
So today, this is what pulledup, and it's just a bunch of
pictures of you and I.
That's right and I love that,or is it?
No, it's not coincidental.
(01:21):
Anyways, we've missed you all.
Leah (01:26):
Where have we been?
Christine (01:28):
How do we even start?
Well, how about this?
Okay, let's talk about why wedecided to take a break.
Okay, and get deeper into that.
Leah (01:39):
I think we did this not knowing whether or not we would
come back or when we would comeback or what I just said.
If we would come back, wewanted to leave that door open
and I think, especially withwhat was going on last year.
(02:02):
We recorded our last episode inNovember, before the election.
I do remember that it wasbefore the election happened and
just watching what washappening in real time.
We wanted to take a break fromsocial media.
We wanted to take a break fromthis because of burnout and we I
(02:22):
think we talked about that inour last episode just how, like,
how much time and energy we putinto what we're doing and how
little return we're getting andit's not it's not to say what we
(02:43):
do doesn't feel good, but itstarted to turn into a full-time
job and we're both full-timemoms.
Christine (02:52):
Yeah, I think that's a good.
I think too, um, you know,after our mushroom journeys and
you know us getting into plantmedicine, we were very excited
to share our experiences andtalk about things that maybe a
(03:14):
lot of people didn't talk aboutat the time.
I think it's obviously becomingmore common and mainstream now.
Leah (03:22):
If it's not, where have you been?
Are you living under a?
Christine (03:26):
rock, but also during that time, I think we lost our
sense of ourselves a little bit,in our purpose.
We had a lot of people who werehelping us and obviously very
grateful that they helped us,but it was like it turned into
okay, you have to follow thealgorithm and this is what you
(03:47):
do and this is how many timesyou post and this is the kind
type of content you'd need topost.
And these are what's trendingright now, and hop on the trends
before they take off and Ithink for you and I, it took
some time away to realize thatthat wasn't us, and part of our
burnout was not always feelinglike we were showing up
(04:09):
authentically and I think eventoo, like we've brought a lot of
human design into it and withyou being a manifester, me being
a projector if you are eitherof those design types, hopefully
you understand that.
I think sometimes it's okay tonot go with the algorithm or to
not go with what's trending andto learn how to go with the ebbs
(04:33):
and flows of what you arefeeling and that be okay and, um
, honestly, fuck the algorithmand learning to show up in a way
that is authentic and if itdoesn't feel authentic, you
don't have to show up, and Ithink we're missing a lot of
(04:54):
that on social media right now.
It also got to a point for mepersonally where I just felt
really burnt out, specificallyon Instagram.
I'm not really on Facebook, Iam on TikTok and I kind of have
a different opinion on TikTokbecause I'm not necessarily
(05:17):
following many people that Iknow, or vice versa.
I feel like that is more of asocial media platform that is
curated, where what you post thepeople who it resonates with
will find you, and I don't feellike Instagram is that.
I feel like Instagram has notbeen the vibe for me lately.
(05:41):
Um, and I've kind of struggledwith that Cause a lot of times
it's like people you do know, um, I've I just think it's become
a really um, kind of a toxicplatform.
Leah (05:56):
If I'm going to be quite honest, I also have to say that
part of what you're saying hasnothing to do with politics.
Christine (06:04):
Yeah.
Leah (06:04):
It's.
It's a very different.
Instagram has a very differentenergy.
Yes, and I I think taking abreak from it, because I we took
a break from it for the podcast, but we also took a break from
it personally.
Christine (06:20):
Yeah.
Leah (06:21):
And it felt really good.
Christine (06:23):
Yeah.
Leah (06:32):
Yeah, and it felt really good.
Yeah, but explain what you meanby Instagram being toxic and
what you think now, because Ithink it took like seeing
someone else saying it, for usto be like oh my God, that
resonates yeah, so when westarted this podcast, it was um
a lot of focus on instagram andnot really any focus on tiktok
(06:56):
because we're just eldermillennials because I don't know
how to work work this app, andthen it got to a point where it
was easier to find our people onTikTok accidentally, without
trying as hard, is what I kindof.
Christine (07:15):
And we've learned Because, again, I think, another
thing bringing human designinto it we are three fives and
so what you've taught me is thatwe are meant to reach a broader
audience, and I think tiktok isthat platform our impact as a
five is more impersonal and itit just means elaborate, what
(07:40):
that means yeah.
Leah (07:41):
so, um, as a three five, we are like the experimenters,
is the three part of us and thefive if you don't know human
design, I'm so sorry like fastforward, like 30 seconds.
And the five part of us is likethe liberator, the martyr, the
um heretic, like we experimentand then we talk about it and
(08:05):
that talking about it is ourgift to the world, to the
external world, and we are meantto talk about it in a broader
audience, a very impersonalaudience, because what we have
to share, our close people arenot necessarily going to
(08:28):
resonate with it.
Christine (08:30):
And that's kind of where our impact going is wider.
We have a wider net to cast,yeah, and I think with Instagram
it has been um, a lot offriends, family, acquaintances
who follow us or follow whatwe're doing, but they don't
necessarily maybe understand orI just think again, there's a
(08:54):
lot of misconceptions about whatwe've talked about in the past
and we're going to even divedeeper into that.
Dive deeper into that Um, but Ithink we are meant to hit a
broad audience of people wedon't know Um and we're meant to
show up on like, for whateverreason it resonates with
strangers.
Um, it has seemed to work forus better with, like I said,
(09:16):
without even trying, and itfeels has felt more authentic
for us.
So, um, I guess on to say thatwe are going to focus on TikTok
more, um, because that's wherewe feel, uh, more comfortable
and it feels more authentic.
I also just me personally havefelt that Instagram has become
(09:42):
this weird place of people whoknow you silently watching,
watching but not supporting.
I've had that experience withthe podcast, but also before
that, owning a business, andfelt that, and so I want to go
(10:05):
where we are going to reachpeople that we are meant to
reach Um, and so for right nowand again, that may change.
We are all about changing ouropinion and changing the
direction, but for right now weare going to focus mostly on
TikTok.
So if you are on there, there,you should follow us there.
Leah (10:27):
Instagram is for the haters.
Christine (10:29):
Instagram is for the haters.
I didn't want to say that, soI'm glad you said that Should.
Leah (10:33):
I not have said that.
Not everybody is a hater, butit very much is like people feel
obligated to follow us becausethey know us, but they don't
resonate with what we're posting.
So they don't like theinformation, they don't share
the information.
We're not mad about that, bythe way.
Yeah, it's really.
I think it's information.
I don't.
I don't think that, like, justbecause you're a friend of mine,
(10:54):
you have to resonate with whatI'm saying.
I really don't believe that.
So this is not a personalattack against anybody who
follows us, who's supporting us.
We appreciate that support, butpersonally, for me, as a
manifester, you don't have to beon my train yeah and it's okay,
(11:19):
that's kind of your lifepurpose that's my.
I'm gonna go in the directionI'm gonna go in and the I'm
going to go in the direction I'mgoing to go in and the people
who want to go in that directionare welcome.
And if you don't want to,that's okay too, but I'm going
to keep going.
Christine (11:33):
Yeah, that's also funny that you say that, because
my last mushroom this pastspring was about um, my voice
and speaking um, and being ableto speak loudly and boldly, um,
(11:55):
in a way that my ancestors didnot have that same opportunity.
So it's why my voice mattersthat much more, and so I want to
continue to do that, but I alsowant to continue to do that in
ways that feel good to me orfeel I don't even know.
(12:17):
Authentic, authentic, yeah.
Leah (12:19):
Maybe even some of the things that we have learned in
the past couple of years that wehave kept to ourselves because
they're hard to talk about orbecause we know that, like
talking about it might make somebuttholes clench, because it
made ours clench at first.
You know what I'm saying.
I think what we're trying tosay here is that we want to come
(12:43):
back in a bigger way.
I think that our focus is goingnot going away from
psychedelics and the healingjourney, but, like our whole
platform has been, about givinga perspective, giving different
perspectives on maybe not sonormally talked about or
(13:08):
stigmatized areas.
That is like we've been doingthis from day one, having very
uncomfy conversations withpeople that we don't necessarily
understand, and coming out ofit with a better understanding
and learning something that wedidn't expect to learn.
It's what we've been doing, andso I want to talk about.
(13:35):
I want us to be authentic andtalk about our life experiences
without holding back.
Christine (13:41):
Yes.
Leah (13:42):
And where maybe we've opened up and shifted in other
ways.
Yeah, absolutely.
I don't know if we were goingto go here, but that prompt that
I sent you yesterday about bothof our purposes and human
design, you want to share it.
(14:03):
I kind of, I kind of do want youto share it, and then the
paragraph above it Okay, hang on, let me find it I think I sent
you a screenshot of it, butbecause I think it's also been,
the last several years hasreally been us unlearning and
learning who we are and whowe're supposed to be.
And the more we lean into whowe're supposed to be and like
(14:29):
practicing using our voices andin different ways, um, the more
this kind of resonates andeverything feels like a practice
leading up to this, is it?
Christine (14:40):
this one.
I just want to make sure.
Leah (14:42):
Do you want to go ahead and read it?
Christine (14:43):
this kind of resonates and everything feels
like a practice leading up tothis.
Is it this one?
I just want to make sure, doyou?
want to go ahead and read it, Ithink the other thing I don't
think that's it, but I'm goingto find it Okay I think the
other thing too is um, thisbreak was very much so needed
from the both of us, and whilewe were on this break, uh, it
actually helped our friendship.
Um, we talked about this before, but it really felt like such a
(15:06):
job.
Um, and I think a lot of thethings we're posting were
because we felt like we had topost an episode.
We had to.
You know, there's a lot of workthat goes in behind it.
Um, and I think a lot of ourtime went into the podcast and
having that break.
We got to have a lot of time tojust like be, friends and
(15:29):
because of that, we've gottencloser and we've been able to
we'll get into this in adifferent episode but we've had
conversations that we werescared to have with each other
and they ended up beingwonderful.
Um, and I feel like it was kindof like another layer that got
cracked open, um, where we wereable to talk about, uh, some
(15:55):
things that I see in the worldpeople are having a really hard
time talking about Um, and wegot to grow closer because we
had some uncomfortableconversations about
uncomfortable topics and I thinkthat's kind of the whole
purpose of what our podcaststarted on, and it's going to
(16:18):
evolve more into um, into evenbroader and, you know, different
topics, um, and, yeah, I'mexcited where this is going to
go.
Leah (16:30):
Um, I remember having this conversation with my husband
and then your husband brought itup on spring break.
He was like you know.
I was worried for a minute thatlike your friendship was like
yeah going to fall apart andthat you guys were going to
drift apart.
Christine (16:50):
And can I mention we were on MDMA.
Leah (16:52):
Were we?
No, I was.
I was talking about on springbreak.
Oh, no, not, not, not that part, but it was a conversation then
too.
We had that conversation onMDMA too, but that's funny
because it came up then.
But I remember on spring breakhe was like you know, I was
really worried that it wouldaffect your friendship and, if
anything, it's made it stronger.
(17:14):
And I was like I agree and I'veliterally said the same thing
to my husband that, like thisbreak only, made us better.
Christine (17:23):
I think it made us healthier individually and
together and I really, reallylove that.
I love.
You know, we talk a lot aboutrelationships.
I don't think I don't thinkthat there are enough
conversations about friendshipsand how it's okay with
friendships to have like breakperiods, hard conversations.
(17:44):
Um, you know, I think we had toreally take a look at ourselves
and the day to day and be like,okay, we're both burnt out.
We're really burnt out on thisand um, that was a very hard
conversation where there were alot of tears and it ended up
being wonderful.
And sometimes those hardconversations are needed because
(18:05):
it's an opportunity is what Istrongly believe to grow with
that person and evolve with thatperson.
So I do love a hardconversation.
Leah (18:16):
Yeah, they're hard for a reason.
We even did an episode, I think, one time called like let's get
uncomfy.
Like we talked about howgetting uncomfortable like
nobody wants to do it, right,but in those uncomfortable
moments, if you can sit in thoseuncomfortable moments and and
(18:37):
actually listen, um, and not getdysregulated, in it, you have
more compassion, you have moreempathy, you have a different
perspective and like you cancome out of it like much, much
stronger.
Um, I want to read this becausewe were kind of like, where is
the direction of this going totake us and is this shift in
(18:59):
direction going to reallyfucking throw people off?
Because it feels very different.
Um, it says, uh, we started apodcast about psychedelics and
healing, but what we've reallybeen doing all along is holding
space for uncomfortable,paradigm shifting conversation.
This is very much in line withI hate to keep bringing human
(19:23):
design into this, but like we'vereally been on a journey of
that to like discovering reallydeep, deep, deep parts of
ourselves through human design.
Christine (19:34):
If you're not into human design, get with it.
Get with the program.
Leah (19:39):
Because we've learned so much about ourselves and each
other and the people in ourlives.
But there's this thing in humandesign.
It's called the incarnationcross and it is like truly,
truly, truly, who you're meantto be, what you're supposed to
be to the world.
And mine is about questioningreality, seeing through
(20:00):
illusions, inviting others to bereceptive to a new perspective.
I'm here to shake people awakeand help them see beyond the
surface.
Now, if you would have saidthis to me six years ago, I
would have laughed at you.
That is not my place.
I don't speak up.
Christine (20:21):
Yeah.
Leah (20:22):
Now I read this and I'm like holy shit, I've been doing
that.
Christine (20:25):
Yeah.
Leah (20:25):
Well, let's do more of it.
Christine (20:27):
Human design is about the deconditioning.
Leah (20:30):
Yes, the process of deconditioning and the parts,
finding parts of yourself thatwere were not necessarily who
you were, but who you thoughtyou should be, and then really
figuring out who you aresupposed to be.
Yours is about synthesizingmultiple viewpoints, weaving
stories, history and context,showing people that there isn't
(20:51):
just one way of seeing things,and it's about the richness and
perspectives of connectionthrough dialogue.
Bitch, we've been doing itRight, we've been doing it, but
we're going to do it more.
We're going to do it more andwe've been afraid to go beyond
what we have touched so far, andI think that we're finally at a
(21:15):
point where we're not afraid totouch on some stuff we're not
afraid to touch on some stuff.
Christine (21:24):
I think for you it's been fear.
I think for me it's has notbeen fear.
It's been about trying to staygrounded and really get as much
information in a unbiased way tothen share it.
Leah (21:50):
What's interesting about?
I'd never thought of thatbefore.
Like mine has absolutely beenfear, I think.
I want to touch on this too.
I think yours has been.
It's not about the delivery,it's not about what you say,
it's about the delivery.
Christine (22:03):
Yeah, forever working on it.
Leah (22:05):
Right, and I'm always working on my fear, like of
speaking out, but like yours has, like I will say like the way
that you are able to carry hardconversations and stay regulated
and grounded is so admirable,and I said this to you the other
day, but I'm going to say itagain Like I have watched, like
(22:29):
where, I think when we started,you were afraid to speak, you
let me do all the talking, andnow we're, I think, in a
position where you have so muchmore grace in your delivery and
(22:50):
patience in your delivery andyou can feel the difference.
Every time you talk to me aboutstuff, I am just like, holy
shit, you are like sowell-versed in this, you are so
articulate, like you know what Imean, and I think I had a place
for that, but mine has justbeen fear, holding back for that
(23:15):
.
Christine (23:15):
Well, and we talked about this like when, you know,
I started my, I guess planthealing journey a couple of
years after you and so when westarted the podcast, you were
you know more into it than I was.
I had literally like done amushroom journey on February, in
February, and I think westarted or January, and then we
(23:37):
started recording like March orApril.
So I didn't necessarily know,um, everything I was talking
about.
I knew how it made me feel andI knew the ways that it had like
changed my life and like mythought patterns.
And then when we startedrecording, you were always
somebody who went down theserabbit holes with these topics
(24:02):
and you were so knowledgeableand I was somebody who struggled
with my place on where to fitin with that.
If you were the one who wasthat information seeker and I
think this break has and alsoyou getting certified in human
design obviously you're notthere yet, but you learning
(24:24):
about human design and thensharing that information with me
, and I've always been somebody.
You have so much knowledge andI want to learn it.
I feel like at this point, youmight as well be certified too,
and I've I've like absorbed alot of that information.
But you teaching me about myhuman design, I've also kind of
learned about my unique giftstoo, and we talked about this
(24:47):
the other day when we met up.
Um, I've really learned howgood I am with conversation with
people.
Um, if people are willing tohave it, that too, uh, that's,
that's the big one.
But I actually do really likehard conversation.
I actually really like You'vealways pushed for that when
(25:10):
someone doesn't agree with me, Iwant both people to be able to
stay grounded in thatconversation.
But I actually like to debateand I actually like to be like
well, have you thought aboutthis or have you thought about
that?
Or you know, and I'm I doreally try to be open to
somebody else, so saying thatback to me as well, and so I
(25:33):
really really liked learning,like, why people do what they do
, why they act, the way thatthey act, and I think that's
really honing in on me.
Being a projector is againbeing that bird on that branch
and all of the animals are downhere, and having just that
different vantage point.
(25:53):
Um, when it comes to like kindof the psychology and why we do
what we do, and having thoselike one-on-one conversations
with people.
I actually have really enjoyeda hard conversation, um, and I
wish I could have more of those,to be honest, because I think
(26:14):
it's like I am open to and Iwant that openness from the
other person as well, but butfinding that is hard, which
we'll get into that.
Leah (26:23):
That's a strength, because I don't know that I will ever
love debates.
I enjoy speaking my truth, butI don't.
I think it depends on on theperson that I'm speaking it to
and how I and how safe I feel inthat environment.
So debating is not necessarilylike something I enjoy.
(26:43):
I don't like confrontation, butI want to be able to speak my
truth and I think that thispodcast has allowed me to feel
safe in what I say.
Christine (26:53):
Yeah, yeah.
Leah (26:55):
I'm not against having a conversation with somebody with
with a different view.
Christine (27:00):
Yeah.
Leah (27:01):
I think it depends on the conversation and the person and
um where they are.
Christine (27:07):
Yeah, I've kind of learned to, even when the
conversation doesn't go as I'dhoped, um that I hope that that
person is able to at least sitwith what I'm saying, even if it
triggers them, even if it makesthem uncomfortable, even if
they think it's completely wrongCause I think I don't know.
Leah (27:32):
With that being said, um welcome to season four.
Christine (27:38):
Yeah, holy shit.
Leah (27:41):
We're doing this more on our terms.
We want to be as authentic aspossible, and some things are
going to look different, butthere are a lot of things about
our podcast that are staying thesame, and that is that we are
open to hearing every side andevery perspective.
(28:03):
That is also to say, like ourwhole fucking slogan is stay
open, be curious, see you on theother side.
That is still going to stand.
Christine (28:18):
Yeah.
Leah (28:19):
I think it's going to be an invitation for people to like
.
I need you to stay really openfor this conversation.
Christine (28:25):
Yeah.
Leah (28:26):
You don't have to agree with everything, you don't?
We've had people on our podcastwe don't agree with.
Yeah, but we're open to hearingit.
Yeah, and I learned this abouthaving fights in relationships
Like it's not about who is rightor wrong in like a relationship
(28:47):
.
Like I'm just going to throwthis out there.
I was going to do this later,but I'll throw it out here now.
Like 69% of arguments in arelationship between partners is
not solvable, it's not fixable.
It's not about conflictresolution in those situations.
It's about conflict managementand how you speak to each other
and how you make each other feelin those moments, because it's
(29:09):
about a difference inperspective.
A lot of times, it's not aboutwho's right or wrong when you're
going into an argument or aconversation with somebody that
you love it's.
It's more about.
This is how I see it and thisis how I feel.
How do you see it and how doyou feel?
Those are going to be verydifferent answers.
Christine (29:30):
I love that.
Leah (29:31):
Neither one is wrong.
Christine (29:32):
Right, yeah, Cause we all have different backgrounds,
different perspectives,different upbringings, Um, and I
think about, I always thinkabout.
You know her, I don't but thewoman who messaged us and when
we came out with this podcast itwas like oh gosh, there are
(29:54):
these moms who are talking abouthow they do mushrooms and drugs
and immediately was like no,Like I can't believe she's
talking about it out loud andthis is, I guess, what I kind of
mean, where I hope it sits withyou for a little bit, because
then she kind of came around andshe, you know we got a lot of
that Um, I think, out loud andsilently, um, where people just
(30:19):
made these assumptions withoutknowing anything about what it
was that we're talking about andin the way that we are talking
about it.
Obviously if you've beenlistening you know we're not
like out just doing drugs allthe time.
Leah (30:31):
I'm really happy she stuck around and listened to what we
had to say.
Christine (30:35):
And I have a lot of respect for the fact that she.
She came in that way andadmitted, like I judged you
because I used to also besomebody who had very black and
we'll get into this, um inanother episode but very black
and white, thinking abouteverything, um, and it took some
(30:55):
inner work to be like oh mygosh, maybe I don't know
everything that's crazy, andmaybe this black and white
there's actually some gray inbetween.
Leah (31:06):
That's actually a sign of intelligence, when you realize
you actually don't knoweverything.
Christine (31:11):
Yes, yes, a hundred percent, and I think it's a
protective mechanism and I getit, I understand it and I've
been there.
So hopefully we can have moreconversations where we're kind
of speaking from the other sideand we're able to again
interview people we don't agreewith a hundred percent, or I
(31:33):
think it's.
We've really gotten into thisblack and white thinking of oh,
I don't agree with this, so thatmeans I don't agree with them,
or they are bad, and we've kindof want to stray away from that
and ask you to be a little bitmore open minded and open
hearted, because it's like thereare some things where you may
not agree with us or whoeverwe're interviewing or whatever
(31:56):
we're talking about, but maybethere's some middle ground there
were talking about, but maybethere's some middle ground there
, maybe there's some gray there.
Leah (32:02):
I also want to say that person ended up doing a journey,
shut up, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if I evertold you that.
Yeah, she did end up doing ajourney.
Christine (32:29):
So that's what.
I mean Like, just like stickingaround and listening to what we
had to say shifted herperspective enough to like
actually be curious about whatwe were doing and be like wait a
minute.
Right, I might benefit fromthat, and I think we want to
continue to normalize continuingto be able to sit in a
conversation even when we feelreally uncomfortable.
Leah (32:40):
I'm so uncomfortable even right now.
Do you see how?
Christine (32:43):
red my neck is Story of your life Literally.
But uncomfortable conversationsdoes not mean bad Right, so I
just want people to be open tothat.
Leah (32:58):
You know how many things are uncomfortable Everything.
Feelings are so fuckinguncomfortable.
Do you know how, how much werun from uncomfortable feelings
and uncomfortable situationsjust to protect ourselves like
we all have done it right?
Oh, absolutely, absolutelywe've all done it so, um, yeah,
I guess that's our should wetalk about, like, maybe what we
(33:21):
plan on doing with, like, thePatreon?
Christine (33:24):
Yes, you go for that.
Leah (33:26):
Well, here's the thing.
I'm going to say this againwe're elder millennials.
Christine (33:32):
We don't know what we're doing.
You don't have to keep sayingthat.
Leah (33:34):
They already know.
I would love for us to start aPatreon and have subscribers who
align with what we're sayingand doing.
And I've also been saying fromday one what I would really love
(33:54):
to do is build a community, andit is so hard to build a
community on Instagram, onTikTok.
I wanted to have dialogue andconversation with our listeners.
And here's another thing too Ithink that what we talk about is
so stigmatized that sometimespeople on Instagram do like what
we're saying, but they'reafraid to like it because
(34:16):
somebody will see that they'reliking it.
Um, we had somebody in ourmicrodosing group make a fake
Instagram just so she could talkin our microdosing group.
Um, and that's just the realityof the world that we live in,
you know.
So I think we looked intosubscribers and through that, we
will have a group on Discordwhere we can talk, we can have
(34:49):
dialogue.
There will be different threads.
We will.
If there's an episode you guyswant to discuss specifically,
there will be a category forthat episode.
You can interact with usthrough that thread.
You can interact with otherpeople in that thread.
It can be anonymous, but inorder to be a part of that, you
have to subscribe to our Patreonchannel.
Christine (35:12):
This does not mean we won't continue to put out free
content we will still continueto do that but I just think this
is a little bit more importantand it will weed out the haters
and the people who are in thegray in what seems to feel like
(35:47):
a very black and white worldright now, and but they have
been scared to speak up, or youknow, and I completely, I
completely get it and I don'thave that fear, and you do have
that fear, but you're going to,you're going to speak up anyways
, and so it's for those people.
Leah (36:11):
Yes For the ones who are afraid to speak up and want
community still.
Yes, I also think that this kindof scratches, that itch that we
had with burnout, we've saidfrom the very beginning we don't
make money off of this.
There's no exchange with us.
(36:32):
This isn't going to make usmillionaires.
If you have to pay a $3 or a $5monthly subscription to like be
a part of our community, um,it's less than a Starbucks, yeah
, um, I have apps that cost memonthly more than that.
(36:53):
Um, so we're not trying to toto make money necessarily, but
we want it to be worth our timeand energy and we want to
continue doing what we're doing.
And if it makes us a little bitof money on the side, it will
feel like it's worth the job andworth the work that we put into
(37:16):
it.
Christine (37:17):
And I think what we do is we provide value to a lot
of our listeners and I thinkit's it's an energy exchange.
Leah (37:27):
I feel like right now I'm trying to explain why I think
we're I'm trying to justify andI in my head no, I don't need to
justify why I think what we dois worth, worth that.
I don't think that I know we'reworth it.
Um, so now anything else youwant to add?
Christine (37:45):
No.
Leah (37:45):
I am excited.
Christine (37:47):
I am excited for the future and, again, all I ask is
that, uh, you know you go intoit knowing that there are going
to be some things, some topicsthat may make you feel
uncomfortable, and to just youknow, um, try to remind yourself
to stay, again, open-minded andopen-hearted.
(38:07):
So, and grounded and grounded,yeah.
Leah (38:11):
With that, let the games begin.
Season four let's go.
Let's fucking go, baby, stayopen, open be, curious.
We'll see you guys on the otherside.
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