March 27, 2023 • 28 mins
Michael Pope has discovered the powerful intersection of passion and expertise. By combining his love of technology with his skill in coaching others, he has created a career that feels more like a calling than a job. As "The Coach's Tech Guy," Michael gets to spend each day helping coaches leverage tools to build their businesses and better serve their clients. In our conversation, he shared how embracing failure, leading through service, and constantly learning have been instrumental to his success. His story is an inspiring reminder that when you pursue work you genuinely care about, it can feel less like labor and more like a journey of growth and impact. If you're looking for motivation to follow your interests or switch paths to more meaningful work, Michael's experience is worth listening to.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the seven FigureBuilder Show.
(00:01):
My name is Julie Berek, founderof Seven Figure Builder, where
we help high achieving CEOs freeuptime with gorgeous automations
to scale their business to sevenfigures and beyond.
And I'm here today with myfriend Michael Pope.
How are you, Michael?
Julie, I'm doing wonderful.
How are you?
I am fabulous.
I'm glad to have you on the showtoday.
Yes, I'm happy to be here.
So for those that haven't hadthe pleasure to meet you yet,
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can you tell us just a littlebit about what you do with your
business?
Absolutely.
So, hi everyone.
I'm Michael Pope, known as thecoaches tech guy.
And so I've been a, and I'vebeen in this industry for a few
years now, 27 years.
It professional transitioned tocoaching, um, about three, three
years ago.
And really what I do is I workwith, um, coaches and speakers,
(00:45):
helping them to create systemsand automations to really free
up time in their business allwhile avoiding and overwhelm,
which a lot of coaches dealwith.
Awesome.
So I'm just gonna come out andsay it, but most people are
scared by tech and yes, byautomations.
Like it's this big monster thatmost people view it as.
So how do you simplify it?
(01:05):
How do you overcome thatobjection that people have?
Yeah, I like to letting peopleknow that number one, it's like,
You, you really can't hurtanything.
It's like, just be willing, bewilling to fail.
Yeah.
And, and I let clients know isyou, you hear big words like
automations and even differentfunnels and different technology
tools.
(01:27):
We can keep it very, verysimple, right?
So if you begin with the end inmind, like Steven Covey talks
about, know what your goal is,then our, then what we wanna do
in terms of an automation isfiguring out, okay, what.
What things do you do on aregular basis that can be
automated or what things arerepeatable that we can, hey, we
can put some type of system inplace so that way you don't have
(01:48):
to keep remembering to do that.
You know, like, like as anexample, if, if you do webinars,
you shouldn't have to manuallysend reminder emails every
single time.
Maybe the first one or twohappened ours, but after that
it's like, okay, that's, this isa repeatable process.
Let's figure out how we canautomate this.
Yeah.
And I think that's a really bigbrain trigger for people as
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they're thinking about theirday-to-day is what are those
things that you do over and overand over again.
Yes.
And it's the same every singletime or the same template, even
if it's personalized.
Mm-hmm.
Especially if it's personalized.
Like you can pull from your datain your C R M and use that to
make that personalizedexperience, but it's one less
thing you can take off yourplate.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's all about freedom of thattime, so you can do the things
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you love to do.
Totally.
Absolutely.
So what got you started in this?
I mean, I have a background init, two.
So what helped you with thattransition from one to the
other?
Yeah.
So for me, when I, um, 27 yearsas a software developer, and
when I transitioned into thecoaching industry, my goal was
to completely separate the textsout of things with coaching.
(02:52):
Cause I was like, I just wannafocus on speaking and personal
development and helping otherpeople.
But what I realized, Julie, isthat there's a lot of coaches
who are great at what they do asa coach, and they're the type of
people who, if I give them aclient, they can coach that
client to success.
But their confidence drains whenyou say, Hey, I gotta have a
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landing page, or I need to havea lead magnet to attract
clients.
Like they started hearing wordslike that and they're like, uh,
I don't know what to do.
And they freeze.
And when I started noticing,when I, when I started becoming
a coach and going throughdifferent training programs, I
would hear other coaches talkabout some of their frustrations
(03:34):
and their challenges with tech.
And in my mind I was like, I, Ihave the answer for that.
Right, right.
And so I, I cautiously raised myhand and, and started answering
some questions.
And then, and then one thing ledto another and I were like,
okay, that is a, there is anopportunity here.
There's a reason why I spent 27years learning technology.
Um, so for this particularmoment here, That's awesome.
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And it's so cool that you canmarry them both like you were
wanting to go in the coachingspace, but your background is
tech, so it's very easy.
And you know, so many peoplereally struggle with the
technology and to your point,like you start hearing all these
marketing terms and their eyesjust glaze over.
And so many clients I keephearing over and over again,
they're like, I just wanna dothat thing.
Like that thing that I'm goodat.
I don't wanna do all that otherstuff, you know?
(04:19):
Exactly.
So they need people like us toreally take that heavy lifting
off of them and just make theirlives easier.
Yes, and, and like a lot of myclients, they're transitioning
outta corporate America wheremaybe they were, you know,
they're making six figures incorporate America.
They've got secretary in placeand they've got all these other
teams in place to do theselittle things, and now they're
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having to run their ownbusiness.
And because they're used tohaving other people set up the
Zoom meeting for them andeverything else, they're like,
okay, now what do I do next?
And they don't need help.
Yeah.
That, and it could be veryoverwhelming with all the tools
that you end up needing for allthose.
And there are a lot There are,and they add up.
They're expensive.
Yes.
(05:00):
Yes.
And, and, and there is, they'reconstantly evolving.
Mm-hmm.
And, and, and you're right, theyare expensive.
I, I know.
I've had clients come to me andthey're like, you know, I've
got, I've got a Click Funnelsaccount and a Kajabi account and
an active campaign account.
I'm like, whoa, you've got a lotof overlap there.
Right.
I'm like, Yeah, like stop.
Right.
(05:20):
Don't get another tool, justwait.
Yeah, exactly.
So what do you recommend forthose people?
Like do you go in, do you anassessment?
How do you help them with that?
Yeah, so I love them anassessment first, just to get a
clearer understanding of whatall they've purchased, and then
we try to streamline'em.
And then we look at, okay,you've got three different
emailing systems.
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Which ones are you using?
And most of'em are like, well, Idon't know, like this is
connected to my website.
Cause someone set this up andthat's the software they use and
this is connected to thisplatform.
And we started just looking athow can we first save them money
by eliminating subscriptions.
Mm-hmm.
So, so free up the subscriptionsand then try to figure out
what's gonna be the bestsolution for them.
(06:04):
Cause I'm, I'm not a big fan of,There's only one tool that
people should coaches should beusing.
There are some all in onesolutions that are great.
But for a lot of coaches,because they've already invested
in lots of different software, Ilike to show them how you can
actually use what you've alreadypaid for.
Totally.
Yeah.
No, and I'm very similar with,you know, going in, doing the
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assessment, figure out what theyhave and I always say I'm
platform agnostic.
Like I'm not gonna come in andsay, you need these three things
cuz I sell them or have anaffiliate tool.
It's what meets your needs,what's working for you, what's
not working for you, and then wefigure out a solution from
there.
So totally.
Yeah, cuz I've got some clientswho they, they may be using a
(06:45):
certain booking software andthey've already got it
documented.
Okay.
Whenever I credit a new booking,this is, these are the steps I
follow and I don't like tochange that.
Cause I'm like, they're already,they've already built a level of
comfort.
So I'm like, okay, you can keepusing that.
It works.
Keep using that and we'll makeeverything work with that.
For sure.
So, uh, looking ahead to theyear ahead, what is the most
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life-changing goal for you thiscoming year?
Ooh, most life-changing goal.
I'm trying to, that's a good,that's a good question.
So this year, going into 2023,my goal was to do more keynote
speaking.
And next month I've got a reallybig, really big keynote hour
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long keynote that I'm doing downin Vegas.
Over in Vegas.
Um, Les Bryan is gonna be there,Joseph McClennan is gonna be
there.
So I get to be, share a screen,I mean, share the stage with.
You know, these mega mega giantsin the, in the industry.
So for me, it's just getting onmore stages to where I can get
exposure like that and, andreally just be able to add value
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to a larger audience.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And it's so powerful to get infront of people on those stages,
and you never know who you'regonna connect with.
So that's really exciting.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, look, I'mlooking forward to it.
It's, it's one of those nervousexcitements.
Mm-hmm.
Thankfully, I've spoken on thatstage before.
Uh, I did it in, I think it wasin October, and so I'm familiar
(08:12):
with that stage.
I'm familiar with thatenvironment, but it's just a
different feeling knowing thatLes is gonna be in a room too.
I'm like, it's different for mecause I, cause I grew up
listening to this guy, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it's cool, but he's, he's,he's, he's down to earth.
That's awesome.
So how do you keep your nervesdown for those people that you
know Yeah.
Have experienced those similarthings?
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So for me it is always work tobe prepared.
And I like to over preparebecause when I, when I'm in the
moment of a speaking at aspeaking event or a training
event, I don't wanna have tothink about my content.
That should be the last thing Ihave to focus on.
Um, one of the things, um, mymentor John Maxwell talk was
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talked about.
He said, you wanna focus on theaudience.
And if I'm concerned about mycontent, it's hard for me to
think about the audience.
But if I go in there completelyprepared with my content, then I
can relax, I can connect withthe audience, I can ask
questions to the audiencemembers to get an idea of, you
know, okay, so what are youhoping to expect?
I mean, what are you expectingout of today's session?
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And just get a feel because thatway I can pivot if I need to.
Cuz if, if I've got, if I talkto five people and they all have
the same burning question, andif I know the answer, then I can
add it to my talk.
If I know my content well enoughto be at the, the flow.
Right?
Yeah.
And that, that can be unnervingtoo.
Just having to pivot lastminute.
But Yeah.
(09:33):
You know, ultimately if you'reable to connect with one person,
you know, you'll obviouslyconnect with more than one
person, but if you focus on thatemotional connection with your
audience, you're obviously gonnabe able to deliver your content
in a way that they're gonna,it's gonna resonate with them.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah.
But I, but I like that question.
I gotta think more into that,the.
The big goal for 2023?
(09:55):
Um, that life changing goal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What about you?
Do you have big, big goals for2023?
I mean, that's, Yeah.
Um, this podcast has kind ofcome up out of nowhere this year
for me, but it has justexploded.
So I am riding that wave andloving every minute of it.
So I would say that's my biggestgoal cuz it really helps me
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connect with people one-on-onelike this.
Yes.
Which I absolutely love.
And just building thoserelationships.
So for me it's just a totalno-brainer that.
This, and it's something I, Ifeel very comfortable doing and
I frankly enjoy.
So yeah, you're good at it.
Thank you.
So I'd say this would be mydefinite life changing goal.
My goal was to do a hundredepisodes this year.
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I'm gonna way blow that out ofthe water.
I'm actually doing an episode aday, um, and it's just like
taken off.
So that's been really exciting.
Oh, that is cool.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
So I'm curious, we have verysimilar background, so looking
over your career and how itbrought you to this point, what
would you say was the most,we'll say, life changing or
(10:57):
career changing training thatyou went to?
Hmm.
Yeah.
So if I, if I look back to thelife, ooh, probably, it's
probably early in my early days.
So for me, When I was in theseventh grade, I, um, received
my first computer and I startedwrite, I was a Commodore 64
computer, and I started writingprograms based on what they had
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in some of like the magazinesand things at the time.
This is back in the old days.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
And, and I ended up, I submitteda game, well, a, a program, and
they paid me$300.
And when I received that check,I realized that I could make
money in this industry.
And, and I realized it wasn'tnecessarily the game that I
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wrote.
It was a problem that I solvedwith the game.
And so for me, that's been themost, the best training for me
is learning that by solvingproblem.
Like people pay for me to solveproblems with technology in that
case or, or whatever I'm doing.
And I've just used it allthroughout my life.
So that lesson.
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Has helped me with everything,helped me with college, helped
me with, you know, my professionas well is, yeah, so just
learning how to solve problems.
That's awesome.
I'm giggling to myself, thinkingback to my humble beginnings as
well, and I remember doing DOSprogramming, you know, at the,
the early days and, uh, hackingthe very primitive parental
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controls that my parents wouldtry on the computer at a very
young age.
Had I known it would, you know,that's fine.
Obviously stop that, but led tomore productive things we'll say
as an adult, it's, uh, I kind ofcame full circle.
You were solving problems.
I was solving my own problems.
(12:44):
Yes.
It's funny how they come fullcircle.
Mm-hmm.
So, speaking of looking back,but if you could go back and
give your 18 year old self apiece of advice, what would you
tell yourself?
Ah, so growing up I was a, I'mstill an introvert, but I was
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very introverted and shy andafraid of public speaking.
So I would tell my 18 year oldself to learn pa, learn public
speaking as soon as possible,like get in front of people,
speak up.
Because I know in my earlycareer that I, I held myself
(13:25):
back by not being willing tospeak up.
Not cuz I, cuz I would be inmeetings, Julie and I would have
ideas, like they would, theywould say, Hey, this is the
problem we're trying to figureout.
And because I was the youngestperson in the room, even though
I had an idea, in my mind I waslike, I, I've got a solution,
but I didn't wanna say it infront of the group, right?
(13:46):
Mm-hmm.
I wanted to save it for later.
Like, I was like, oh, theseother guys, they've been
working, you know, years lotmore than me.
They'll, they'll, they know theanswer too, so I don't wanna say
it and sounds stupid, right?
So that held me back.
So much in my career.
So that would be the advice Iwould tell my 18 year old self.
Um, learn to speak up, get somepublic speaking training as soon
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as possible, um, and, and justbe, be confident with it.
It's okay to be an introvert,but don't, it's not okay to be
quiet when you have good ideasto share.
I love that.
And that's so powerful.
And I think we all have so muchto offer of all of our different
experiences and every person'sexperience looks just a little
bit different.
Mm-hmm.
(14:29):
So you have that, that you canbring to the table.
And I know looking back over mycareer, early in my career, I
did, I.
Presenting and presenting to theexecutive suite and like
different trainings that at thatpoint I'm like, eh, whatever.
You know, it's personal growth.
I'll go do this.
But I, I think it's one of themost valuable trainings I think
I've ever done as I'veprogressed through my career and
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I'm here and abusing it and.
You know, I use it in myeveryday, so I totally would
echo that.
Like any presenting, uh, publicspeaking, anything that you can
do just helps build thatconfidence.
Mm-hmm.
And take those nerves down thatyou can use it at meetings and
one-on-one and, you know, biggergroups and just grow your career
that way.
I think that's awesome.
Yeah.
I, I'm big on instilling thatwith my kids now, just to make
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sure that they're comfortabletalking in front of people and,
and they read out loud every,every single day just to.
Right.
Cause we're gonna get used toyou hearing your voice and being
comfortable with your voice.
Cause that's Cause I, growing upI wasn't comfortable with mine.
Yeah, for sure.
So you have obviously a family.
How do you best juggle that?
What do you find works best foryou guys?
(15:35):
Yeah.
Um, thankfully, you know, mywife is a great supporter in
everything that I do and soshe's able to, To manage things.
We, we have three boys, 16 yearold, 14 year old, 10 year old.
Um, very active.
And so she's able to manage alot of that for me, which helps
because with me working afull-time job and still pretty
(15:59):
much running a full-timecoaching business, um, right.
So I, because I've got clientsall around the world, different,
different times of the daybecause, cause it's some of the
international clients that Iwork with, And it all keeps me
busy, but I'm, but I'm havingfun and I am, I'm relaxed in
everything that I'm doingbecause we've got a great
balance life, you know, withfamily and everything else.
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And the biggest thing ispriority management.
So there's things that, I mean,like, there's like things that
could be considered like a hobbythat I don't necessarily
participate in if it doesn't fitin my top priorities for that
day or for that week.
Whether it's like sportingevents and things like that.
Like if it's, if it doesn't fitin, in my, in the top list of my
(16:43):
priority, I just don't watch it.
It's, I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna give back time when I
could be doing something else.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's awesome to have anamazing partner that can help
you with that.
And I know fortunate as well tohelp juggle life that way and it
makes things so much easier forsure.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Awesome.
So looking.
Over everything you've done.
(17:04):
Right.
How would you define success?
What does that mean to you?
Yeah, so for me, when I look atsuccess, it's knowing that I've
been able to add value to a lotof people at the end of the day.
Like, so for me, when my clientssend me an email saying, Hey, I
just cause even, cause I workwith a lot of newer coaches and
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just, they'll say, Hey, you knowthat webinar we set up.
You know, uh, I had my first fewregisters last night or
whatever, and they're so excitedabout being able to do their
first webinar and, and like,thank you for taking the
pressure off of me doing it.
Those moments, like I, I feelsuccessful cause I know that
I'm, I'm doing what I was calledto do, you know, add value to
other people.
(17:48):
Yeah.
Uh, and that's so life changingfor them that it really helps
boost your career and it'ssimilar to what you have behind
you.
I was Oh yeah.
Noticing one of my clients gaveme that.
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
From my Angelo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They'll never forget how youmade them feel.
It's so, so true.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(18:08):
It was so cool.
Cause we were at a conferenceand, and one of the client, one
of my clients, she gave it to meand I read it and I was like,
man, this.
I love this quote.
I'd heard it before.
You know, and I was soappreciative that, you know,
that she saw it and she thoughtof me cuz she was like, yeah,
you know, based on, on how you,you've helped me out a whole
lot.
So I really wanted to, to blessyou with this.
That's so cool.
I love it.
(18:28):
So you've worked with a lot ofpeople in your career.
What would you say makes a goodleader?
Um, yeah, so that's, that's,that's interesting, especially
being a part of the John Maxwellteam where we're talking about
leadership all the time.
Um, I think it has to be peoplefirst.
And so for me, I've always beentaught to be a servant leader,
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so I'm not thinking aboutmyself.
I'm looking at how can I helpthe next person, how can I help
my team members or the peoplearound me?
And that's what I think makes agood leader or the leader who's
taking his eyes off himself andputting it on, putting it on
other people to help themsucceed.
100%.
Yeah, I am as well.
(19:12):
There's a lot of different formsof leadership and, and not all
resonate with all people.
So that's always what I've beengravitated to also.
Yeah.
So Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Oh no, sorry.
I'm saying, yeah, so JohnMaxwell, like what he says is,
um, he says, you know, first,you know, we're people of value,
who value people and we addvalue to people.
And so that's what his, hiswhole philosophy is telling.
(19:32):
All of the coaches on our teamis just telling, encouraging
people to.
Constantly look for ways to addvalue to other people.
And I'm on the faculty of theJohn Maxwell team now, and when
we have our faculty meetings,they're constantly reminders.
They're like, okay, yeah, youguys, you guys are getting paid
to do this.
But you wanna remember it's allabout the members, right?
(19:54):
So you're not celebrities,right?
You're, you're servants.
Look for opportunities to servethe members.
Yeah, the rest will follow.
Mm-hmm.
Like you said, when you add thatvalue to people and you're
always looking at how to solveproblems for people and it, it
just makes their life so mucheasier.
The rest is easy, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
That's why like, getting clientsis easy.
I mean, like I see a lot ofpeople who struggle with getting
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clients for their coaching.
Like it's, it's not that hard ifyou, if you, if you lead with
adding value, The clients willshow up, they'll come to you.
Yeah.
Instead of having to chase them,for sure.
Mm-hmm.
So you have the speakingengagement coming up.
Yes.
What else can people expect fromyou next, or what's on your
horizon after that?
Oh, wow.
Let's see, and I have a few, Ihave some other speaking, like
(20:39):
that's the, the biggest speakingengagement that I'm on right
now.
But I do have some otherspeaking engagements that I'm
doing.
I am in the process of launchinga, I'm doing a partnership and
we're gonna launch a.
Tech, tech, tech savvy coaches,YouTube channel that we're in
the process of, we're recordingcontent for it right now and
that's going to be out.
(21:01):
We're gonna launch a thinkingeither in, um, either late April
or May.
It's a, the timeframe for that.
So that'll be, that'll be coolcause we've got some really
good, good content laid out forthat YouTube channel, um, to
really help, help a lot of thecoaches in the, in the space
understand technology a littlebit better.
Um, I'm doing my tech ratedcoaches membership where I coach
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a lot of other coaches on usingtechnology and that's more of a,
a how-to type of session wheremembers can share their screen
and we kind of address some ofthose issues that they're
dealing with.
And that's always fun cause Iactually learn a lot, you know,
from them saying, Hey, I, Ipurchased this software, I don't
really know how to use it.
And they share their screen andwe look at it together.
(21:47):
And so that's always fun causeI'm like, oh, I didn't realize
that software did that.
Which, you know, you think aboutlike a software, it's like
everybody's like, you know,every month they're coming out
with new releases, so they'realways adding new features,
right?
It's, it's impossible to keep upwith everything.
For sure.
Yeah.
And it's constantly a learninggame.
Yeah.
I mean, like you said, it'sconstantly changing, so you're
constantly having to learn newstuff, otherwise you're left
(22:10):
behind in the dust.
Exactly.
Right.
Even like when I think aboutlike, you know, I, I've been
doing a lot of teaching on chatG P T, and then of course, you
know, you got the Bing chat now,which does things differently.
So I'm looking into that now.
And then Google's got theirversion and then you got other
tools like Jasper and some ofthe other content AI tools out
there.
(22:30):
Like it's.
Yeah, you, you can, you cannever keep up.
You just gotta do your best justto learn, learn a little bit, do
a little bit, be willing tofail.
So do you recommend for businessowners to jump on the latest
trends or do you encourage themto just work with what's working
and then let other people workout the bugs?
(22:50):
Yeah.
See, yeah, that's tough.
Um, it's one of those, itdepends on where you at.
But like I have some clientswho, they've got a good flow of
getting, getting clients, andfor them I'm like, yeah, keep,
just keep doing what you'redoing.
What you're doing is working.
We can tweak some small thingsthere if needed.
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But then there's other clientswho.
They could use, they couldbenefit, they could greatly
benefit from using some of theAI technology because they're
struggling with coming up withcontent for like their emails as
an example or, or like, yeah,you really need to be using
this, leveraging this for yoursocial media posts and all that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it definitely gets that goodleg up and you can tweak it and
(23:35):
refine it and make it your own.
Yeah.
But helps to generate thatcontent.
Mm-hmm.
So if you had the whole, theattention of the whole world for
five minutes, what would youtell them?
If you wanted it?
Yeah.
Because I'm sure the introvertmight come out, but I know,
right?
I'm like, woo.
All eyes on me.
Right.
No.
So one of the things I wouldtell people is, In, in whatever
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industry you're in, whether it'sa, you're the small business
owner, you're coach, right?
You're looking to go from that,you know, six to seven figures
in your business.
And you may have already figuredthis out, but one of the things
I see with a lot of, a lot ofcoaches that I work with is that
fear of failure.
So I would tell you, be willingto, to fail.
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Failure is a part of the successjourney and.
What I, the things I like to dois I like to fail fast, right?
So fail as soon as possible andlearn something from it, and
then move forward because it'syou, you can't, you can't
prevent the failure, you know?
It's like taking a, a toddler, Ican't tell my toddler, Hey, wait
till you three and start tryingto walk in, right?
(24:38):
And it's like, it's, you know,no, they gotta start as soon as
possible.
Fail, fall down, get back up,and keep moving forward.
That's awesome and, and I thinkthat's something it offers just
in my own personal experiencethat I've not really heard
elsewhere in other industries isthe concept of fail fast.
Yeah.
Like obviously, you know in it,you wanna try out a concept and
if it's not gonna work, youwanna find out as soon as
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possible, you learn from it.
Do the next iteration grow.
You know, and just continue tolearn over and over and over
again.
And I don't know that a lot ofother industries do that, and
that's so incredibly valuable.
So you don't waste so much timefiguring out what's working and
what's not working.
Yeah.
You, you, you're so right, Jill.
I mean, in, in it you have to,right.
It's like we we're, we try, trya piece of code out if it's
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gonna work or it doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
Okay.
We figure out what doesn't work,fix it, tweak, and keep moving
on.
And we're constantly in the ITworld, we know that there's
always a next version.
Right.
Like, like John Maxwell says,you're never good.
You're never great the firsttime.
And, and that's how it is withanything.
With the technology, there'salways a newer version improved,
and, and we don't really look atit as failures.
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We look at it as, okay, that wasthat version A.
Now here's version B.
Right.
Um, yeah.
And it's not personal, right?
Like Exactly.
You want that next release causeit worked out the bugs from the
prior, so generally it's gonnawork better than what you had
before.
Yep.
Generally, right.
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Generally tell the next release.
Yeah.
So how can listeners support youin your work?
Where can they find you online?
Yeah, they can contact me andcome to my um,
website@michaelpopetraining.com.
You can also find me on socialmedia at Michael J.
Pope Jr.
And, and most of the major, um,social media outlets, Facebook,
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LinkedIn, Instagram, all thoseplatforms.
Awesome.
Yeah, and we'll have all thelinks below so everybody can
check you out and come see whatyour next speaking engagement
and lots of future ones to come.
That's so awesome.
Can't wait to hear about it.
Thank you, Julie.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, of course.
Thank you for joining us todayand uh, you can find
me@sevenfigurebuilder.com and Ilook forward to seeing you on
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the next episode.
Welcome to the seven FigureBuilder Show.
(00:01):
My name is Julie Berek, founderof Seven Figure Builder, where
we help high achieving CEOs freeuptime with gorgeous automations
to scale their business to sevenfigures and beyond.
And I'm here today with myfriend Michael Pope.
How are you, Michael?
Julie, I'm doing wonderful.
How are you?
I am fabulous.
I'm glad to have you on the showtoday.
Yes, I'm happy to be here.
So for those that haven't hadthe pleasure to meet you yet,
(00:23):
can you tell us just a littlebit about what you do with your
business?
Absolutely.
So, hi everyone.
I'm Michael Pope, known as thecoaches tech guy.
And so I've been a, and I'vebeen in this industry for a few
years now, 27 years.
It professional transitioned tocoaching, um, about three, three
years ago.
And really what I do is I workwith, um, coaches and speakers,
(00:45):
helping them to create systemsand automations to really free
up time in their business allwhile avoiding and overwhelm,
which a lot of coaches dealwith.
Awesome.
So I'm just gonna come out andsay it, but most people are
scared by tech and yes, byautomations.
Like it's this big monster thatmost people view it as.
So how do you simplify it?
(01:05):
How do you overcome thatobjection that people have?
Yeah, I like to letting peopleknow that number one, it's like,
You, you really can't hurtanything.
It's like, just be willing, bewilling to fail.
Yeah.
And, and I let clients know isyou, you hear big words like
automations and even differentfunnels and different technology
tools.
(01:27):
We can keep it very, verysimple, right?
So if you begin with the end inmind, like Steven Covey talks
about, know what your goal is,then our, then what we wanna do
in terms of an automation isfiguring out, okay, what.
What things do you do on aregular basis that can be
automated or what things arerepeatable that we can, hey, we
can put some type of system inplace so that way you don't have
(01:48):
to keep remembering to do that.
You know, like, like as anexample, if, if you do webinars,
you shouldn't have to manuallysend reminder emails every
single time.
Maybe the first one or twohappened ours, but after that
it's like, okay, that's, this isa repeatable process.
Let's figure out how we canautomate this.
Yeah.
And I think that's a really bigbrain trigger for people as
(02:10):
they're thinking about theirday-to-day is what are those
things that you do over and overand over again.
Yes.
And it's the same every singletime or the same template, even
if it's personalized.
Mm-hmm.
Especially if it's personalized.
Like you can pull from your datain your C R M and use that to
make that personalizedexperience, but it's one less
thing you can take off yourplate.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's all about freedom of thattime, so you can do the things
(02:30):
you love to do.
Totally.
Absolutely.
So what got you started in this?
I mean, I have a background init, two.
So what helped you with thattransition from one to the
other?
Yeah.
So for me, when I, um, 27 yearsas a software developer, and
when I transitioned into thecoaching industry, my goal was
to completely separate the textsout of things with coaching.
(02:52):
Cause I was like, I just wannafocus on speaking and personal
development and helping otherpeople.
But what I realized, Julie, isthat there's a lot of coaches
who are great at what they do asa coach, and they're the type of
people who, if I give them aclient, they can coach that
client to success.
But their confidence drains whenyou say, Hey, I gotta have a
(03:14):
landing page, or I need to havea lead magnet to attract
clients.
Like they started hearing wordslike that and they're like, uh,
I don't know what to do.
And they freeze.
And when I started noticing,when I, when I started becoming
a coach and going throughdifferent training programs, I
would hear other coaches talkabout some of their frustrations
(03:34):
and their challenges with tech.
And in my mind I was like, I, Ihave the answer for that.
Right, right.
And so I, I cautiously raised myhand and, and started answering
some questions.
And then, and then one thing ledto another and I were like,
okay, that is a, there is anopportunity here.
There's a reason why I spent 27years learning technology.
Um, so for this particularmoment here, That's awesome.
(03:57):
And it's so cool that you canmarry them both like you were
wanting to go in the coachingspace, but your background is
tech, so it's very easy.
And you know, so many peoplereally struggle with the
technology and to your point,like you start hearing all these
marketing terms and their eyesjust glaze over.
And so many clients I keephearing over and over again,
they're like, I just wanna dothat thing.
Like that thing that I'm goodat.
I don't wanna do all that otherstuff, you know?
(04:19):
Exactly.
So they need people like us toreally take that heavy lifting
off of them and just make theirlives easier.
Yes, and, and like a lot of myclients, they're transitioning
outta corporate America wheremaybe they were, you know,
they're making six figures incorporate America.
They've got secretary in placeand they've got all these other
teams in place to do theselittle things, and now they're
(04:40):
having to run their ownbusiness.
And because they're used tohaving other people set up the
Zoom meeting for them andeverything else, they're like,
okay, now what do I do next?
And they don't need help.
Yeah.
That, and it could be veryoverwhelming with all the tools
that you end up needing for allthose.
And there are a lot There are,and they add up.
They're expensive.
Yes.
(05:00):
Yes.
And, and, and there is, they'reconstantly evolving.
Mm-hmm.
And, and, and you're right, theyare expensive.
I, I know.
I've had clients come to me andthey're like, you know, I've
got, I've got a Click Funnelsaccount and a Kajabi account and
an active campaign account.
I'm like, whoa, you've got a lotof overlap there.
Right.
I'm like, Yeah, like stop.
Right.
(05:20):
Don't get another tool, justwait.
Yeah, exactly.
So what do you recommend forthose people?
Like do you go in, do you anassessment?
How do you help them with that?
Yeah, so I love them anassessment first, just to get a
clearer understanding of whatall they've purchased, and then
we try to streamline'em.
And then we look at, okay,you've got three different
emailing systems.
(05:42):
Which ones are you using?
And most of'em are like, well, Idon't know, like this is
connected to my website.
Cause someone set this up andthat's the software they use and
this is connected to thisplatform.
And we started just looking athow can we first save them money
by eliminating subscriptions.
Mm-hmm.
So, so free up the subscriptionsand then try to figure out
what's gonna be the bestsolution for them.
(06:04):
Cause I'm, I'm not a big fan of,There's only one tool that
people should coaches should beusing.
There are some all in onesolutions that are great.
But for a lot of coaches,because they've already invested
in lots of different software, Ilike to show them how you can
actually use what you've alreadypaid for.
Totally.
Yeah.
No, and I'm very similar with,you know, going in, doing the
(06:24):
assessment, figure out what theyhave and I always say I'm
platform agnostic.
Like I'm not gonna come in andsay, you need these three things
cuz I sell them or have anaffiliate tool.
It's what meets your needs,what's working for you, what's
not working for you, and then wefigure out a solution from
there.
So totally.
Yeah, cuz I've got some clientswho they, they may be using a
(06:45):
certain booking software andthey've already got it
documented.
Okay.
Whenever I credit a new booking,this is, these are the steps I
follow and I don't like tochange that.
Cause I'm like, they're already,they've already built a level of
comfort.
So I'm like, okay, you can keepusing that.
It works.
Keep using that and we'll makeeverything work with that.
For sure.
So, uh, looking ahead to theyear ahead, what is the most
(07:07):
life-changing goal for you thiscoming year?
Ooh, most life-changing goal.
I'm trying to, that's a good,that's a good question.
So this year, going into 2023,my goal was to do more keynote
speaking.
And next month I've got a reallybig, really big keynote hour
(07:27):
long keynote that I'm doing downin Vegas.
Over in Vegas.
Um, Les Bryan is gonna be there,Joseph McClennan is gonna be
there.
So I get to be, share a screen,I mean, share the stage with.
You know, these mega mega giantsin the, in the industry.
So for me, it's just getting onmore stages to where I can get
exposure like that and, andreally just be able to add value
(07:50):
to a larger audience.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And it's so powerful to get infront of people on those stages,
and you never know who you'regonna connect with.
So that's really exciting.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, look, I'mlooking forward to it.
It's, it's one of those nervousexcitements.
Mm-hmm.
Thankfully, I've spoken on thatstage before.
Uh, I did it in, I think it wasin October, and so I'm familiar
(08:12):
with that stage.
I'm familiar with thatenvironment, but it's just a
different feeling knowing thatLes is gonna be in a room too.
I'm like, it's different for mecause I, cause I grew up
listening to this guy, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it's cool, but he's, he's,he's, he's down to earth.
That's awesome.
So how do you keep your nervesdown for those people that you
know Yeah.
Have experienced those similarthings?
(08:32):
So for me it is always work tobe prepared.
And I like to over preparebecause when I, when I'm in the
moment of a speaking at aspeaking event or a training
event, I don't wanna have tothink about my content.
That should be the last thing Ihave to focus on.
Um, one of the things, um, mymentor John Maxwell talk was
(08:53):
talked about.
He said, you wanna focus on theaudience.
And if I'm concerned about mycontent, it's hard for me to
think about the audience.
But if I go in there completelyprepared with my content, then I
can relax, I can connect withthe audience, I can ask
questions to the audiencemembers to get an idea of, you
know, okay, so what are youhoping to expect?
I mean, what are you expectingout of today's session?
(09:13):
And just get a feel because thatway I can pivot if I need to.
Cuz if, if I've got, if I talkto five people and they all have
the same burning question, andif I know the answer, then I can
add it to my talk.
If I know my content well enoughto be at the, the flow.
Right?
Yeah.
And that, that can be unnervingtoo.
Just having to pivot lastminute.
But Yeah.
(09:33):
You know, ultimately if you'reable to connect with one person,
you know, you'll obviouslyconnect with more than one
person, but if you focus on thatemotional connection with your
audience, you're obviously gonnabe able to deliver your content
in a way that they're gonna,it's gonna resonate with them.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah.
But I, but I like that question.
I gotta think more into that,the.
The big goal for 2023?
(09:55):
Um, that life changing goal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What about you?
Do you have big, big goals for2023?
I mean, that's, Yeah.
Um, this podcast has kind ofcome up out of nowhere this year
for me, but it has justexploded.
So I am riding that wave andloving every minute of it.
So I would say that's my biggestgoal cuz it really helps me
(10:16):
connect with people one-on-onelike this.
Yes.
Which I absolutely love.
And just building thoserelationships.
So for me it's just a totalno-brainer that.
This, and it's something I, Ifeel very comfortable doing and
I frankly enjoy.
So yeah, you're good at it.
Thank you.
So I'd say this would be mydefinite life changing goal.
My goal was to do a hundredepisodes this year.
(10:36):
I'm gonna way blow that out ofthe water.
I'm actually doing an episode aday, um, and it's just like
taken off.
So that's been really exciting.
Oh, that is cool.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
So I'm curious, we have verysimilar background, so looking
over your career and how itbrought you to this point, what
would you say was the most,we'll say, life changing or
(10:57):
career changing training thatyou went to?
Hmm.
Yeah.
So if I, if I look back to thelife, ooh, probably, it's
probably early in my early days.
So for me, When I was in theseventh grade, I, um, received
my first computer and I startedwrite, I was a Commodore 64
computer, and I started writingprograms based on what they had
(11:20):
in some of like the magazinesand things at the time.
This is back in the old days.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
And, and I ended up, I submitteda game, well, a, a program, and
they paid me$300.
And when I received that check,I realized that I could make
money in this industry.
And, and I realized it wasn'tnecessarily the game that I
(11:41):
wrote.
It was a problem that I solvedwith the game.
And so for me, that's been themost, the best training for me
is learning that by solvingproblem.
Like people pay for me to solveproblems with technology in that
case or, or whatever I'm doing.
And I've just used it allthroughout my life.
So that lesson.
(12:02):
Has helped me with everything,helped me with college, helped
me with, you know, my professionas well is, yeah, so just
learning how to solve problems.
That's awesome.
I'm giggling to myself, thinkingback to my humble beginnings as
well, and I remember doing DOSprogramming, you know, at the,
the early days and, uh, hackingthe very primitive parental
(12:23):
controls that my parents wouldtry on the computer at a very
young age.
Had I known it would, you know,that's fine.
Obviously stop that, but led tomore productive things we'll say
as an adult, it's, uh, I kind ofcame full circle.
You were solving problems.
I was solving my own problems.
(12:44):
Yes.
It's funny how they come fullcircle.
Mm-hmm.
So, speaking of looking back,but if you could go back and
give your 18 year old self apiece of advice, what would you
tell yourself?
Ah, so growing up I was a, I'mstill an introvert, but I was
(13:04):
very introverted and shy andafraid of public speaking.
So I would tell my 18 year oldself to learn pa, learn public
speaking as soon as possible,like get in front of people,
speak up.
Because I know in my earlycareer that I, I held myself
(13:25):
back by not being willing tospeak up.
Not cuz I, cuz I would be inmeetings, Julie and I would have
ideas, like they would, theywould say, Hey, this is the
problem we're trying to figureout.
And because I was the youngestperson in the room, even though
I had an idea, in my mind I waslike, I, I've got a solution,
but I didn't wanna say it infront of the group, right?
(13:46):
Mm-hmm.
I wanted to save it for later.
Like, I was like, oh, theseother guys, they've been
working, you know, years lotmore than me.
They'll, they'll, they know theanswer too, so I don't wanna say
it and sounds stupid, right?
So that held me back.
So much in my career.
So that would be the advice Iwould tell my 18 year old self.
Um, learn to speak up, get somepublic speaking training as soon
(14:08):
as possible, um, and, and justbe, be confident with it.
It's okay to be an introvert,but don't, it's not okay to be
quiet when you have good ideasto share.
I love that.
And that's so powerful.
And I think we all have so muchto offer of all of our different
experiences and every person'sexperience looks just a little
bit different.
Mm-hmm.
(14:29):
So you have that, that you canbring to the table.
And I know looking back over mycareer, early in my career, I
did, I.
Presenting and presenting to theexecutive suite and like
different trainings that at thatpoint I'm like, eh, whatever.
You know, it's personal growth.
I'll go do this.
But I, I think it's one of themost valuable trainings I think
I've ever done as I'veprogressed through my career and
(14:51):
I'm here and abusing it and.
You know, I use it in myeveryday, so I totally would
echo that.
Like any presenting, uh, publicspeaking, anything that you can
do just helps build thatconfidence.
Mm-hmm.
And take those nerves down thatyou can use it at meetings and
one-on-one and, you know, biggergroups and just grow your career
that way.
I think that's awesome.
Yeah.
I, I'm big on instilling thatwith my kids now, just to make
(15:13):
sure that they're comfortabletalking in front of people and,
and they read out loud every,every single day just to.
Right.
Cause we're gonna get used toyou hearing your voice and being
comfortable with your voice.
Cause that's Cause I, growing upI wasn't comfortable with mine.
Yeah, for sure.
So you have obviously a family.
How do you best juggle that?
What do you find works best foryou guys?
(15:35):
Yeah.
Um, thankfully, you know, mywife is a great supporter in
everything that I do and soshe's able to, To manage things.
We, we have three boys, 16 yearold, 14 year old, 10 year old.
Um, very active.
And so she's able to manage alot of that for me, which helps
because with me working afull-time job and still pretty
(15:59):
much running a full-timecoaching business, um, right.
So I, because I've got clientsall around the world, different,
different times of the daybecause, cause it's some of the
international clients that Iwork with, And it all keeps me
busy, but I'm, but I'm havingfun and I am, I'm relaxed in
everything that I'm doingbecause we've got a great
balance life, you know, withfamily and everything else.
(16:21):
And the biggest thing ispriority management.
So there's things that, I mean,like, there's like things that
could be considered like a hobbythat I don't necessarily
participate in if it doesn't fitin my top priorities for that
day or for that week.
Whether it's like sportingevents and things like that.
Like if it's, if it doesn't fitin, in my, in the top list of my
(16:43):
priority, I just don't watch it.
It's, I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna give back time when I
could be doing something else.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's awesome to have anamazing partner that can help
you with that.
And I know fortunate as well tohelp juggle life that way and it
makes things so much easier forsure.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Awesome.
So looking.
Over everything you've done.
(17:04):
Right.
How would you define success?
What does that mean to you?
Yeah, so for me, when I look atsuccess, it's knowing that I've
been able to add value to a lotof people at the end of the day.
Like, so for me, when my clientssend me an email saying, Hey, I
just cause even, cause I workwith a lot of newer coaches and
(17:27):
just, they'll say, Hey, you knowthat webinar we set up.
You know, uh, I had my first fewregisters last night or
whatever, and they're so excitedabout being able to do their
first webinar and, and like,thank you for taking the
pressure off of me doing it.
Those moments, like I, I feelsuccessful cause I know that
I'm, I'm doing what I was calledto do, you know, add value to
other people.
(17:48):
Yeah.
Uh, and that's so life changingfor them that it really helps
boost your career and it'ssimilar to what you have behind
you.
I was Oh yeah.
Noticing one of my clients gaveme that.
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
From my Angelo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They'll never forget how youmade them feel.
It's so, so true.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(18:08):
It was so cool.
Cause we were at a conferenceand, and one of the client, one
of my clients, she gave it to meand I read it and I was like,
man, this.
I love this quote.
I'd heard it before.
You know, and I was soappreciative that, you know,
that she saw it and she thoughtof me cuz she was like, yeah,
you know, based on, on how you,you've helped me out a whole
lot.
So I really wanted to, to blessyou with this.
That's so cool.
I love it.
(18:28):
So you've worked with a lot ofpeople in your career.
What would you say makes a goodleader?
Um, yeah, so that's, that's,that's interesting, especially
being a part of the John Maxwellteam where we're talking about
leadership all the time.
Um, I think it has to be peoplefirst.
And so for me, I've always beentaught to be a servant leader,
(18:51):
so I'm not thinking aboutmyself.
I'm looking at how can I helpthe next person, how can I help
my team members or the peoplearound me?
And that's what I think makes agood leader or the leader who's
taking his eyes off himself andputting it on, putting it on
other people to help themsucceed.
100%.
Yeah, I am as well.
(19:12):
There's a lot of different formsof leadership and, and not all
resonate with all people.
So that's always what I've beengravitated to also.
Yeah.
So Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Oh no, sorry.
I'm saying, yeah, so JohnMaxwell, like what he says is,
um, he says, you know, first,you know, we're people of value,
who value people and we addvalue to people.
And so that's what his, hiswhole philosophy is telling.
(19:32):
All of the coaches on our teamis just telling, encouraging
people to.
Constantly look for ways to addvalue to other people.
And I'm on the faculty of theJohn Maxwell team now, and when
we have our faculty meetings,they're constantly reminders.
They're like, okay, yeah, youguys, you guys are getting paid
to do this.
But you wanna remember it's allabout the members, right?
(19:54):
So you're not celebrities,right?
You're, you're servants.
Look for opportunities to servethe members.
Yeah, the rest will follow.
Mm-hmm.
Like you said, when you add thatvalue to people and you're
always looking at how to solveproblems for people and it, it
just makes their life so mucheasier.
The rest is easy, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
That's why like, getting clientsis easy.
I mean, like I see a lot ofpeople who struggle with getting
(20:17):
clients for their coaching.
Like it's, it's not that hard ifyou, if you, if you lead with
adding value, The clients willshow up, they'll come to you.
Yeah.
Instead of having to chase them,for sure.
Mm-hmm.
So you have the speakingengagement coming up.
Yes.
What else can people expect fromyou next, or what's on your
horizon after that?
Oh, wow.
Let's see, and I have a few, Ihave some other speaking, like
(20:39):
that's the, the biggest speakingengagement that I'm on right
now.
But I do have some otherspeaking engagements that I'm
doing.
I am in the process of launchinga, I'm doing a partnership and
we're gonna launch a.
Tech, tech, tech savvy coaches,YouTube channel that we're in
the process of, we're recordingcontent for it right now and
that's going to be out.
(21:01):
We're gonna launch a thinkingeither in, um, either late April
or May.
It's a, the timeframe for that.
So that'll be, that'll be coolcause we've got some really
good, good content laid out forthat YouTube channel, um, to
really help, help a lot of thecoaches in the, in the space
understand technology a littlebit better.
Um, I'm doing my tech ratedcoaches membership where I coach
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a lot of other coaches on usingtechnology and that's more of a,
a how-to type of session wheremembers can share their screen
and we kind of address some ofthose issues that they're
dealing with.
And that's always fun cause Iactually learn a lot, you know,
from them saying, Hey, I, Ipurchased this software, I don't
really know how to use it.
And they share their screen andwe look at it together.
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And so that's always fun causeI'm like, oh, I didn't realize
that software did that.
Which, you know, you think aboutlike a software, it's like
everybody's like, you know,every month they're coming out
with new releases, so they'realways adding new features,
right?
It's, it's impossible to keep upwith everything.
For sure.
Yeah.
And it's constantly a learninggame.
Yeah.
I mean, like you said, it'sconstantly changing, so you're
constantly having to learn newstuff, otherwise you're left
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behind in the dust.
Exactly.
Right.
Even like when I think aboutlike, you know, I, I've been
doing a lot of teaching on chatG P T, and then of course, you
know, you got the Bing chat now,which does things differently.
So I'm looking into that now.
And then Google's got theirversion and then you got other
tools like Jasper and some ofthe other content AI tools out
there.
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Like it's.
Yeah, you, you can, you cannever keep up.
You just gotta do your best justto learn, learn a little bit, do
a little bit, be willing tofail.
So do you recommend for businessowners to jump on the latest
trends or do you encourage themto just work with what's working
and then let other people workout the bugs?
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Yeah.
See, yeah, that's tough.
Um, it's one of those, itdepends on where you at.
But like I have some clientswho, they've got a good flow of
getting, getting clients, andfor them I'm like, yeah, keep,
just keep doing what you'redoing.
What you're doing is working.
We can tweak some small thingsthere if needed.
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But then there's other clientswho.
They could use, they couldbenefit, they could greatly
benefit from using some of theAI technology because they're
struggling with coming up withcontent for like their emails as
an example or, or like, yeah,you really need to be using
this, leveraging this for yoursocial media posts and all that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it definitely gets that goodleg up and you can tweak it and
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refine it and make it your own.
Yeah.
But helps to generate thatcontent.
Mm-hmm.
So if you had the whole, theattention of the whole world for
five minutes, what would youtell them?
If you wanted it?
Yeah.
Because I'm sure the introvertmight come out, but I know,
right?
I'm like, woo.
All eyes on me.
Right.
No.
So one of the things I wouldtell people is, In, in whatever
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industry you're in, whether it'sa, you're the small business
owner, you're coach, right?
You're looking to go from that,you know, six to seven figures
in your business.
And you may have already figuredthis out, but one of the things
I see with a lot of, a lot ofcoaches that I work with is that
fear of failure.
So I would tell you, be willingto, to fail.
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Failure is a part of the successjourney and.
What I, the things I like to dois I like to fail fast, right?
So fail as soon as possible andlearn something from it, and
then move forward because it'syou, you can't, you can't
prevent the failure, you know?
It's like taking a, a toddler, Ican't tell my toddler, Hey, wait
till you three and start tryingto walk in, right?
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And it's like, it's, you know,no, they gotta start as soon as
possible.
Fail, fall down, get back up,and keep moving forward.
That's awesome and, and I thinkthat's something it offers just
in my own personal experiencethat I've not really heard
elsewhere in other industries isthe concept of fail fast.
Yeah.
Like obviously, you know in it,you wanna try out a concept and
if it's not gonna work, youwanna find out as soon as
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possible, you learn from it.
Do the next iteration grow.
You know, and just continue tolearn over and over and over
again.
And I don't know that a lot ofother industries do that, and
that's so incredibly valuable.
So you don't waste so much timefiguring out what's working and
what's not working.
Yeah.
You, you, you're so right, Jill.
I mean, in, in it you have to,right.
It's like we we're, we try, trya piece of code out if it's
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gonna work or it doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
Okay.
We figure out what doesn't work,fix it, tweak, and keep moving
on.
And we're constantly in the ITworld, we know that there's
always a next version.
Right.
Like, like John Maxwell says,you're never good.
You're never great the firsttime.
And, and that's how it is withanything.
With the technology, there'salways a newer version improved,
and, and we don't really look atit as failures.
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We look at it as, okay, that wasthat version A.
Now here's version B.
Right.
Um, yeah.
And it's not personal, right?
Like Exactly.
You want that next release causeit worked out the bugs from the
prior, so generally it's gonnawork better than what you had
before.
Yep.
Generally, right.
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Generally tell the next release.
Yeah.
So how can listeners support youin your work?
Where can they find you online?
Yeah, they can contact me andcome to my um,
website@michaelpopetraining.com.
You can also find me on socialmedia at Michael J.
Pope Jr.
And, and most of the major, um,social media outlets, Facebook,
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LinkedIn, Instagram, all thoseplatforms.
Awesome.
Yeah, and we'll have all thelinks below so everybody can
check you out and come see whatyour next speaking engagement
and lots of future ones to come.
That's so awesome.
Can't wait to hear about it.
Thank you, Julie.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, of course.
Thank you for joining us todayand uh, you can find
me@sevenfigurebuilder.com and Ilook forward to seeing you on
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the next episode.
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