September 15, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode, Lisane sits down with KJ Rose—Grammy Award-winning performance director, author, and founder of The Rose Effect. KJ shares her journey from stage fright to working with icons like Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake, and how she now helps people step into their power.
We talk about what confidence really means, how to own your presence in any room, and why showing up authentically is the most powerful thing you can do.
Learn how to set boundaries without guilt. Join Lisane's next Protect Your Peace Shaping Session today: https://shapingfreedom.com/boundaries-workshop
We talk about what confidence really means, how to own your presence in any room, and why showing up authentically is the most powerful thing you can do.
Learn how to set boundaries without guilt. Join Lisane's next Protect Your Peace Shaping Session today: https://shapingfreedom.com/boundaries-workshop
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
And then I'll started walking and it was like, you
got this girl, sit down, you oughta yes. You got this,
You oughta yes. And that is what started me in
this power chant journey. And it was you are the
yes you've been waiting for, bou Ba. Don't you ever
forget what you came here for, a bow bound and
no matter what, you just make it count. Uh uh.
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Take up space with your gift. That's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to the Shaping Freedom Podcast, where we dive into
conversations that inspire personal growth, transformation and clarity and challenging times.
I'm your host, Lyssan Basquiat. All right, so today's guest.
Before I formally introduced her, I just want to share
something with you that's going to put you into focus
on what we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I need to practice that confidence they mark honest to
be black. I'm always nervous for public speaking and gay
I'm gonna get my nerves together.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm a praise.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you didn't know, public speaking was my biggest fear.
So I was like I was completely intimidated and I
was like no, I turned to dell. If you need
a confidence it is confidence con. If you need to
resirect your confidence is confidence con. If you need some
confidence commissioning, it's confidence con. We're doing confidence circa training.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There are some people whose very presence makes you want
to sit up straighter, stand a little taller, and remember
the power that you carry in your own voice. My
guest today is one of those people, and I have
to tell you I walked in this door and she
exudes everything that she talks about, teaches and preaches. Keana
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kJ Rose Henson, known simply as kJ Rose, is a
Grammy Award winning performance director, author, and the founder of
the Rose Effect. She's worked with icons like Janet Jackson, Justin, Timberlake,
Lil nas X, helping them to step fully into their
presence and to connect more deeply with audiences around the world.
(02:05):
She's been called the artist Whisperer, and for good reason.
She has a gift for pulling out the truest, most
unapologetic version of a performer and helping them to bring
that to the stage. She is also the force behind
confidence con, which is what we shared in that real,
a movement and live event dedicated to activating confidence in
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all of us, not just artists, but entrepreneurs, leaders, and
everyday people learning to take up space in their own lives,
and her book The Rose Effect Eight Steps to delivering
the Performance of your Life, is a guide to doing
just that. In this conversation, as I promised a little
while ago, we're going to talk about confidence. We're going
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to talk about presence, storytelling, and what it means to truly,
truly show up as your full self, whether you're on stage,
in a boardroom, or simply in your every day life.
So I guess what we're gonna be talking about today, y'all. Confidence.
(03:12):
We'll talk a little bit more about confidence con in
a few minutes and later on in the episode, but
for right now, pull yourself up because the conversation that
we're having today is a conversation around confidence.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So think about this.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
When was the last time that you walked into a
room and fell completely at home in your own skin,
not shrinking, stepping fully into the person that you are,
sharing your voice, expressing your vision, and willing to share
who you truly are. That is what I would love
for you to connect yourself to right now, because we
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are going to talk about how to make sure that
you are fully doing that, yes, right, and showing up
in the world in that way.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
kJ.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I am so so excited to welcome you to the
Shaping Freedom Podcast. Thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh, thank you for having me. This is such a blessing. Yeah,
divinely serendipitous.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It feels that way. It really really feels that way.
And I think that for those of you who are listening,
you know, I think that what I described is what
so many of us are searching for. It's the way
that so many of us truly want to show up
as in the world, fully embodying the creation that we are.
(04:44):
Absolutely and you help people to do that because.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm living it every day. Yes, ma'am, I'm trying to.
And I feel like I always disarm people because I
never want anyone to think that I've just arribed into something.
I am here here to kind of like obliterate the
process of things so that they know that we're not
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much different. If I got in flight and I started,
you can do the same.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, thank you so much for starting with that, because
I'd love Will you share, yes, how you got not
the whole long story?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Get here?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
How do we get here? Let's talk a little bit
about that. And that's for the person who's like, oh know,
like she's great and she's doing all these amazing things.
But story exactly, so let's talk about Let's start there.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Chicago born South Side, and then we moved to Flossmore, Illinois.
Went to two high schools, HF Whitney Young shout out
for both, and then I went to FAM You. But
in my younger years, while I was great with ensembles
and choirs and fully you know, available and showing up,
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that same comp evidence wasn't transferable to doing solo performances
or being an orator. Like anything that I had to
do by myself on stage, my body would have an
adverse reaction. And so I remember my mom saying, why
don't you just do something else? Because this is just
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like I'd be like, don't talk to me. I mean,
it was just like I'm processing because I'm trying to
figure out what the audience thought. And I was like, well,
how do I take my power back from that? And
how do I outrun that? So that's really how we started.
You know, I was in the Soul Children of Chicago
because I loved to sing, and even being at FAM
You shout out to the family, BFFs and adults. Is
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who always saw something in me as a performer and
asked me to sing every time, and so me saying
yes was me just being accountable to my friends and
to my sorority, not because I believed at the time
that I was the one to do it. I just
felt like out of that kind of group of friends,
I was the one who had probably the most skill
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set at the time. And so from there after being
at FAM you the best HBCU, I went to New
York and I remember meeting my friend Shelley, my sores,
Shelley's friend Big John Platt, who is now chairman of
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Sony Publishing and at the time was at EMI, and
they were like, you should sing for John and I
was like, ah, not really, I mean I'm out a clown.
I just don't do it on the spot. But that
was really just nerves. And so then he was like,
well I leave tomorrow, and I was like, am no,
I am felling. And so me just kind of stepping
out on that and just doing it amidst the fear
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and the feeling of inadequacy was what led him to
place me with my management team, Dave Nelson Rest in
Peace and Erskain Isaac out of New York, who then
placed me in studios with Heavy D and Biggie and
so really just helping me to cultivate this thing in me.
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And I even got on the Apollo because I was like,
if you don't do it, I mean do.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It, you might as well do it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, my god, I don't know who said that was
a good idea, so, you know, and so I was like, well,
I want to I need to find a way to
outrun this sphere because I think what happens is if
you don't believe you're born with something naturally, you end
up dismissing it or disqualifying it, as opposed to saying, okay,
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maybe this is a gift that just requires some deposits,
some work. And so I was like, I've got this feeling.
You know, I might just be all right, but I
can outwork you, you know what I mean. And so
I did Apollo the first time I won. I think
I did Anita Baker and then they brought back all
of the All stars and so, unbeknownst to me, this
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girl brought a busload of people from Maryland. I'm going
to say they were church people, but you know, they
boom me, we'll say that. And so it was like
if I was in seventh position, you know, when they
were going down the line and people got the obligatory applause,
and then when they got to me, they bowed me.
She was an eighth and then they cheered for her.
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And so while I knew what was happening, and even
like bow Legged Lou from Full Force was the host
and he was like, don't ever stop. This is entertainment.
You got something. And so in the midst of me
like feeling just like you know, low and in tears
and still clapping for her, I was like, Okay, this
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is a turning point. I think this is going to
help you make the delineation between this is just something
you enjoy as a hobby or this is something that
you want to be a life changing thing in your life.
And so I was like, how would you let people
that are not privy to your assignment make you make
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a decision for the rest of your life. And I
was like, they don't even know me personal and so
that's one of the lessons that I took with me
from that point on. And so that is how the singing,
got started.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Shout out to the busload of people.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Shout out to the busload of people. You pushed me,
that's right, thank you so much. Yeah, so that's how
we started. That's when I knew that I had to
push past it and figure out what like my force was.
Just It's while I believed that I was a good singer.
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I'm sure there were everybody I could sing me on
under the table, but I also said, well, what are
the other things that you're great at. I'm great at
showing up, I'm great at being tenacious and persistent and
you know, empathetic. I felt like all of those things
were going to be needed in my journey, and so
I would say with heavy D. I got a call
while I was in Brooklyn at like eleven pm. I
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didn't even know it was going to be him. They
just said, you know, Tony dofat producer I was working,
and they say, can you just come studio and sing
some vocals? And when I got there, I saw that
it was heavy and it wasn't even supposed to be
a single. But when we finished, they were like, Okay,
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this is it. And so imagine writing down the West
Side Highway listening to you can be my big Daddy
me and my my Sora Indie Brown. Just I was like,
oh my god, Okay, this is what I'm supposed to
be doing. And so once I heard my voice, it
was no going back.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I love that you asked yourself those questions, you know,
what do I want to do? What do I want
to be good at?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right, we were talking right before we got started about
going to the gym. Yeah, you don't walk in and say,
I don't know if I was destined to do fifty
you know, whatever it's right, or to lift whatever. You
get in there and you decide it, get started. I'm
gonna you know, bench press whatever it is, and then
you work your way to that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah. And I think if you looked at the end result,
sometimes you might not get started right.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because because it seems so big, so far away from
where you.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Are in that moment, and then the idea of perfection
of like if I'm not going to do it fully,
I'm not going to do it. It's like, really, just
make a deposit today, That's right. That's really been my life.
Like it doesn't mean that I have kind of moved
with this level of knowing. It was just like, there
is something today that I believe, and I'm going to
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make the deposit today.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Let's talk about the Rosa fact. I think this is
a great segue into that. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So my mother named me shout out Sylvia Keanas because
we sent our first name, but mama. And so I
remember after being on the road as a background singer
for you know, Janet and Brittany and Justin and Carl Thomas,
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who believed he was an early adopter to kJ And
so after the road, I was like, Okay, I think
it's time, you know, because you're collecting all this data
and you are really getting kind of like this crash
course twenty feet from stardom. And I was like, okay,
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I think if I stay back here, then I will
never get the gall to step out and do my
own thing. And I think sometimes you can stay in
space is longer than God intended.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Say that again, nice and slow, nice, Maybe you should
sing it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oftentimes you stay in places longer than God intended, and
then it's diminishing return.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
That's right, that's right. Because you're supposed to get.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
In, get out.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You're supposed to get in and get out right and comfortable,
and you forgot the goal, and you forgot that that
was supposed to be a stepping stone. And while it
poured heavily, it got me where to be. I just
I think after watching the documentary Twenty Feet from Stardom,
I wanted to make sure that I didn't land anywhere
by default, that I made the choice even if whatever
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this singing career, you know, whatever I envisioned, if I
didn't get there, I tried. And so I came off
the road and I started working for Clive Davis at
Jay Records, my sister CJ. Initially, when they asked, I
was a I just went in to be the nighttime
receptionist that was five to nine, so then I could
work on my project, you know, in the earlier hours,
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and so you know, swiz walking through Jennifer Hudson, Tyrese
Mario and I was like, oh my god, I'm supposed
to be doing something. And then they asked me to
work for Clive, and I was like, I think I'm good.
But she helped me realize, CJ, that no matter what
area of business or of this entertainment industry, I decided
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to go into to uh the information that I would
be kind of accessible to would be invaluable. And so
I was his assistant for about a year and a half.
And you know, while you know, it came with the
job of of you know, pouring tea and other you
know task the job, I was like, how do you
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make sure you don't lose twice? So even if the
first loss seems like I'm doing something that I don't
necessarily want to do, the second losses, well, well, if
this is where God has you, how do you honor
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the space and the moment that's right so that you
don't have this feeling of like, oh my god, what
am I doing? And then also I lost time. So
like next to Clive's office was Larry Jackson and just
a lot of an rs and and I remember Carolyn Williams,
she was in marketing, and I was just having meetings
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every day, just making sure that they hurt my stuff.
And it's funny because when I got the call from
Carolyn about performance direction for some of the artists, I
thought they were just I thought I was getting call
for a record deal. I was like, oh, this is happening,
And I was like, this is going down. But it
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was to help other artists with stage presence.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That's interesting. And why why did they ask you?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, because they had come to some of my performances before.
So while the music I think was just I, they
loved the performer in me and the way that I
occupied space on stage, and I had to be careful
because I was like, I did not want to do
that in lieu of something not working right, because then
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you're just a bit of coach, right, And so I
was like, maybe the way I framed this is that
this is a natural progression of my assignment. It's bigger
than what I believe it to be. I'm not one lensed.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
A lot of the way that you are describing your
approach to your life journey to the gift of your
life journey is very intentional, and even in the language
that you use about like you didn't want to wind
up someplace by default and looking at you know, you
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didn't want to lose twice and.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Where does that come from? Is there, yeah, a moment
in your life or is there something within you that
has helped you to take both this thirty thousand foot
view of your life while also having your feet on
the ground and stepping into and saying yes to these
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different opportunities that present themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't even know. If I had the language then
I knew it was happening, but I think later I
found the language to what I was doing. I also
think that it is being from Chicago, Like it's a
very pragmatic kind of spirit, which I think helped me
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to And my mother didn't care that much about like
I mean, she supported, but she wasn't more invested in
it than that would take me to a space where
there were expectations of it. Like I was doing something
that was unconventional within my family, and so I took
baby steps because I remember when I called her and
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said I was going on tour and she was like, okay,
what about the stock options and what about the four
oh one K I was like, I invested, we could,
and so it was like she made me still kind
of take heed to a level of conservatism and how
I moved, but also to listen to my heart.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's that's it. It's that because what you're describing as
a person who you could have been heady. Yeah, I'm
around this person and you know, this celebrity walked through
and some speeds and this one and that one, and
you know, Clive Davis, and you could have gone completely
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in your head about it, and it sounds like while
like you were in a place of centeredness that allowed
you to follow the breadcrumbs that were being dropped for
you in these different opportunities. I would say, which is
what's what helps you to live a life that's not
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by fault?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And you know what it is. I wasn't desperate for it.
Like while I wanted it and I was hungry for it,
I wasn't willing to do anything for it. And so
you know, I worked at Feiser Pharmaceuticals by day, sleeping
in the bathroom at lunch and in the studio at night,
and so I was still and I was I didn't
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have family in New York when I was there, so
it was like, you're right every decision, even from going
to Europe on tour. I felt like I didn't grow
up around seeing people do anything besides you know, get
a nine to five. And so I was just like, Okay,
I wanna take this leave of absence and then I'm
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gonna go on tour. And then when I got back,
I was like, oh, I still got the job. I
still I should have kept going, but I was like, Okay,
I still got the job. And then I got to
a point where I felt like God was asking me
to take a leap instead of spending time asking everybody
else to valid what I was doing. And then as
soon as I took the leap, and I didn't even
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have anything confirmed when I gave my two week notice,
it happened after yeah, and it was just like okay, yeah,
but I was I was tiptoe on every step of
the way, and I never went head first, but now
I know how to go ahead first.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, wow, okay, okay, all right, So I saw something
in you. There's something about your stage presence. Yes, that
was gold, right, and that would be helpful what happens then?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So I didn't get back to saying how we got
to kJ Rose And so because I would go into
the offices and people would always put me in this
defeating position of Okayanna the background singer, I said, oh, okay, yeah.
And while it was, you know, what I needed at
the time, but now I was desiring to be in
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a new kind of lens. And oftentimes I think we
get frustrated when people don't see us differently, but we
haven't really planned enough seeds and doing the thing enough
for them to just see it naturally. And so I
was like, even if you just didn't know who I
was for five minutes, you know, that was better than
you putting me in this background position, because now I
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desire to be in the foreground.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And so I was like, okay, well, kJ Rose and
I always ran from Rose because I felt like it
aged me. I was like, Rose sounds like an older name.
And then I started doing assessing, you know, really where
the rose came from, you know, And I was like,
you were rooted in this destiny, in this greatness from
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the very beginning. Both my maternal and paternal grandmother have
derivatives of Rose. It's Rose and Rosa. Oh wow, my
mom's name is Rosa. I did not realized that. I
thought kJ Rose was ah. I thought Rose was a. Yeah. Yeah,
Rose is my middle name, okay, and I'm a descendant
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of Matthew Henson, so it's like yeah. I was like,
why are you running from it? Like? And once I
saw that in the root of the rose, it is
inherent with rising, I was like I've been running from it,
and the minute I sat in into it, I was like, Okay,
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I've already been qualified.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
For you just had to you just had to step
into receive it.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, and there was the Rose effect.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Wow. And then what happened?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And then I started building clients and helping people tell
compelling stories no matter what stage they were on. And
I I think what helped was because I always identify
as an artist, you know, whether it is a traditional
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artist on stage or performance development artist. I speak the
language of an artist, so I know what it feels
like to be in front of thousands, and I know
what it also feels like to know you have a story,
but there is some part of your body or your
being that won't allow you to fully access it, you know.
So my job at that time, I started loving the
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Rose effect more than I loved being on stages kJ
Rose because I felt like I was making more of
an impact. It was a time where I could help
people be reintroduced to themselves, you know. So it was
like I saw I just it felt like this was
the assignment, the ultimate assignment. But I could not have
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done it without having been on stage myself. Because now
I'm telling you about something I've experienced and not what
I read about. And so now the Rose effect is
hoping artists to excavate, executives and entrepreneurs to excavate their assets,
you know, pushed beyond their perceived capacity and stretch their
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comfort zone so that they're telling stories that can't be
negotiated or hijacked. You know. So whether it is you
know Nas or l l or Little Nas or Sweetie
or Tyla or Lady London or Andrew Day I am
Grateful or Queen Nijia, let me stop, because I don't
want to forget nobody. But like I, you know, and
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nobody can receive the same lesson plan. And what pushes
me is that I have to go deeper in order
to serve them, because this is really about what you've
discovered about yourself, yep.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Helping them to pull that out of themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, because nobody can interpret or receive information the same, right,
And then I don't I can walk in with this
lesson plan, but I don't know the day you had
before you walked in there, you know. So it really
I try to leave room to be inspired in the
moment and to have God sometimes I'm standing there, I'm like, Lord,
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what are you depositing the day? Like, what is it
that they need?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I feel like something is off, you know, And it
becomes this emotional contract because I'm asking these clients to
be vulnerable, which means I also have to offer that.
So I got to do the work before I get
in exactly. So confidence confidence is a calling to choose
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the best parts of yourself and acknowledge them, embrace them
every single day. And the others you just this data.
You collecting data to see how to course correct, how
to recalibrate, how to condition it. And it's it's a
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choice that I make every day, you know, because as
I said, confidence is not transferable. You know what I
will feel in kind of one area of my life
if I am being you know, elevated and pushed further,
I got to make a new deposit. And so I'm
often saying, you know, I believe. You know, when people
speak of confidence, of course, your first thought is like, oh,
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I've got confidence. Great, Yes, we all we have a measure.
But maybe the confidence that you currently hold is great
for where you are, what you do it. You need
something else where you've been, but you need something else
for where you're going, you know. And so it's if
you're looking for like a new degree, you the old
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information is the old information. You got to step out
and make some new deposits. And so that's I think
confidence for me is I'm supposed to revolutionize, you know,
how we approach it, our relationship with it. And I
feel like God consistently takes me through experiences so I
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can go deeper on how I apply language to it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And you're talking about the relationship to it, I'm thinking
about the folks that you've worked with within the music
industry specifically, how do you help because there's a relationship
that people have to their craft, yes, and to the
story that they're telling through their craft. How do you
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help a person And while many most of the folks
listening to this are not those folks, we all have
our own greatness, we all have our own journey. We're
all doing a thing, and so how do you help
a person to connect to and reconnect to the story
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of their life or to the thing that they're expressing.
Whether it's an executive who's a leadership role, a stage performer,
or an artist, a writer or a housewife, someone who's
at home, Like, how do you reconnect?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Is the research you know that I do on them
and studying first. The second thing is disarming people quickly
because oftentimes if a company sends me into an executive,
or if a label sends me into an artist, the
immediate thought is that something is wrong, right, And I'm
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always of the mindset if I'm in the room, they
have already investigated in the room. Everything is great. Everything
is great. It's about leveling up. Yes, because you're already
benching three fifty. I'm just sureing to take you to
seven hundred, that's right. And I often say that I
don't give you anything that you don't already possess. My
job is to irritate, agitate areas of dormant potential, potential abandoned,
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or gifts you didn't know you had. And so part
of my process is reconnecting you to your wins already,
you know, because if you have left winds behind, then
then the victory seemed too far apart. And so my
job is to, first, let's just think of everything that
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you've already done. And so now it is we lift
off from this point and my job is to connect you,
help you re champion your story, right, so there are
no holes in it, like the areas of unresolved you know,
kind of feelings, like, let's resolve them so you can
take your power back, right, because by the time we
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see the external expression, we're just watching a reflection of
your internal narrative.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's right, does it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I want to watch you, you know, having a sales
pitch or on stage in process. Nobody wants to watch
you processing, you know, that's the work we do in
the studio. So it is bringing the idea of performance
back to a conversation with you. So I strip you
of the cadence, I strip you of your comfort zone,
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like the things that naturally because we have to reassess
that because most times we have found ways to exist
based on fight or flight. Like that's right, I'm on stage.
But it's like, because I've collected data along the way
from other people, but I don't even know how much
of this I've subscribed to that's mine, right, and how
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much it's based on what other people's opinions are. So
now I want to just I'm excavating, excavating all of
that work so we can get back to well, who
are you and now let's add did that work for you?
Was that somebody else's Was that out of feeling inadequate?
Was that fear? You know what I mean? And so
it's now, how do we take our power back from
the things we've been silenced by? How do we resurrect
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our force? What's that thing about you that cannot be hijacked? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
For me, it's energy, it's empathy, it is compassion, it
is Uh, I love you know, like even if it's
I love crab legs, I love fries, I love Look
what do you know? Who are who are you? Yes?
You know? And I have you write down all those
things because I think, you know, we just get in
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you know, autopilot. Yeah, we just moved from, you know,
scenario to scenario, but we never figure out, Uh, who
do we become out of that scenario? What do I
like about you know, what I've picked up? And what
do I just want to leave behind?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know, I was talking to someone last night and
we were talking about just that. One of the things
that I've been struggling with this summer, actually all year,
is I have so many things that are happening, and
they are happening really quickly, and they're wonderful things. There
are things that I've wanted, things I'm working for, working toward,
And in this conversation with this person, I was talking
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about the fact that things are happening so quickly that
I am finding myself falling off my typical routine. And
part of my routine is to process things, to integrate them,
to say, oh, I had this amazing conversation with this
incredible lady kJ Rose today, and these are the gems
(33:27):
that popped up for you, and let me just kind
of like not spend two hours contemplating them, but just
the moment to acknowledge the experience and to process it
so that I can move forward not with the snowball
of twenty twenty five, but having integrated, to pull in
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what I loved, to process whatever I didn't, and then
move forward with that new learning. And so we had
a whole conversation about about that. But that's what this
reminds me of. It sounds like what you are helping
people to do is to show up more authentically and
to make conscious decisions about what they're doing and how
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they are performing, both on the stage or in the
boardroom or any room at the home or the office
or whatever they are. But to really take a moment,
take a beat to think about what you're actually who
you are and why you and why and why do
you believe that you need to boo number seven in
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order to show up for number eight?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
You know you're about to say it again. That's a
T shirt? Is a T shirt? Something you know?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Like why do you have to do that? Like where
did that come from?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Is that your natural inclination? Or you're doing that because
you think that that's what you're supposed to do when
you're on autopilot and you're not thinking about.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And I think we were talking about like also the
iterations of yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, you talked about earlier that part of what helped
you to make your decision was I don't want to
get the example wrong, but there was something that you
were saying to yourself. There was some internal dialogue that
you said to justify like I don't want to be
on the stage anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I know that was what it was.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
But there was some thing that you were saying to yourself.
The self talk is really yeah, and that you heard
that I don't remember what it was. It was something
about like I don't want to do this anyway. And
then you were like, wait, is.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That really what it is?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Or is it I'm afraid yes, yeah, I don't remember
the exact example.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh when they asked me to sing yes and you
say and you say okay, god right, And I was afraid, right.
I was afraid, right, and so then I was and
I had to be like threatened with his departure. I
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have figured out now like how to because oftentimes, again
if we don't if something doesn't come to us naturally,
if we're not naturally gifted with you know, positive internal
dialogue or just kind of reaffirming, you know, we're just like, ah,
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we just live in that just not being the case.
But I'm always one of prompts. I put prompts in place,
so I created power Chance and they are like thirty
seconds of musical affirmations that whenever. And it came about
because I was trying to chase down Oprah and you know,
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she was at this event, and you know the first
time I was with Indie again and the first time
I tried to walk over there was like the Spirit Awards,
and I think you only get like three minutes in between,
and I tried to walk over and I was like,
this is the time. I think the whole weekend I
had been we had been orbiting each other. But I
was just like, they're not letting me in these buildings whatever.
And so I started walking. And as I walked toward
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the table, there was obviously one train of thought was
like you got this. Keep walking. The other one was like, girl,
sit down, who do you think you are? And I
was like oh, And then that that spirit got louder.
And then I came back to the seat and I
was like, you are the solution. She is looking for you.
You are the yes. And I was like, try it again.
(37:37):
And then I started walking and it was like, you
got this. Girls, sit down, you oughta yes. You got this,
You oughta yes. And that is what started me in
this power chair journey. And it was you are the
yes you've been waiting for, bou. Don't you ever forget
what you came here for about bound and no matter what,
you just make it count. Uh uh. Take up space
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with your gift. That's what it's about. So it was
all of the things that I've done have become or
we're out of, you know, a defeating situation.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Or your journey to defeating Yes, who is confidence con.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
For confidence con is for humans, all the humans, all
the humans. It's for the person that knows that they
have a story, that have that may have had whispers
of an assignment that they were supposed to carry out,
(38:42):
that has the heart palpitations and the nerves that block
them from being able to fully show up. Uh. It
is for the person that just needs confidence conditioning or
you abandon it. You had it, you we regain it.
It's for you to reclaim the confidence again. It is
(39:06):
for anyone that needs to be elevated to heights that
they can see but they can't touch yet, you come
and get the tools that can help you to fully
show up, to make decisions based on real data, not
old information, right. You know that allows you to push
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your edge, to test it, to press yourself so that
you know, Okay, now I don't have to make decisions
from back here anymore. Now I'm actually there's more edge
to go. Somebody that needs to push their edge.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
So you're making decisions from the truth of who you are.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Today, you know, yep, not just old decisions or old
data that makes it just about activity but not productivity.
You're busy, but you like to die twenty busy, yeah,
as opposed to twenty twenty five is right because you're
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here today.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Today, I'm thinking about what you said before about how
sometimes we believe that we're not born with something. Yes,
and I think that that confidence falls into that where
there are some people who say, similar to the comment
about clowning being a.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Clown, you're not going to be a clown or.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yes, there are people who say, well, that's not me.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And for some folks who are happy with it, that
the issue is right, it's not a judgment, right, It's
about what you know to be the truth on the
inside of your soul, and.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Only you know that.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Only you know that, right.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And so for those folks who have been running a
line of you know what, that's for those people, Yeahanna Jackson,
I know Whoever, I don't really need that. I'm okay
back here.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
If that's really.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
The truth, that's cool, that's wonderful. Or I wasn't born
with confidence, right, You don't have to have been born
with confidence, because what I'm hearing in your story is
that you are building confidence along the way every day
and that you're connected, which is what I think is
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the beauty in thank you so much for.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Coming here today.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
You have no like, there's so many ways that you
have that I know you're helping those folks who are listening,
and that you are absolutely helping me. There is a
soundtrack app and come on inside of me while we're talking. Yes, right,
And what I what I appreciate is that you are
living on purpose. You're walking, you're adjusting, you're walking, you're
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saying yes, you're listening to the assignment. You're tweaking your course,
correcting where you need to and with without always knowing
exactly where it's going to wind up. But there's something
about the beauty and magic in the willingness to be
on a journey, which means you're moving, you're growing, you're evolving.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
That is that sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's freedom.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
And it's freedom it is that is what freedom actually is.
You cannot be free if your story is you know,
when I was nineteen years old, this person did so
and so, And you can't be free if you're unwilling
to step into the future to be here twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Absolutely, So yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Two things.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yes, One is how can we support you?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
We'll start with that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Okay. Number one is confidence enough. If it's not you, first,
I'm going to say so, I love you to come.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
You to come, everybody, everybody, everybody.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And if you already got it, if you maxed out
on your confidence, then tell a friend and so you
can find out more. It's happening Saturday, September twentieth at
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you that just truly needed a lift of sorts. It
is a call to your power. We will ignite radical
self trust, we will unleash creativity and inspire, bode leadership.
And at Confidence Coin, we don't teach confidence. That's a
that's a different type of coach, but we unlock it
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from the moment you walk in the door, and it
will be circuit training. You will be moving from different
areas within the compound so that you leave there with
more than what you came with.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I am in my head thinking about my schedule. Yes, okay,
because I want some of this.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I want some of this.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And for those of you who are listening, Mike kJ said,
if you give the gift of elevation, give the gift
of helping someone to step into a skill set that
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they know and that you know they need to have.
And so nothing wrong with giving someone the perfect whatever
the thing is. But the gift of growth, the gift
of evolving, the gift of elevation, is something that a
person can take with them.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
And it will have.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Wards ten times over and purpet to your entire family.
Legacy changes, the emotional and mental fabric of a family
changes when you're willing to do the work, when you're
willing to step in and look at the areas of
your life where you are not showing up in this
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case with confidence owning your story authentically. You make that
one investment or gift someone that investment, and you could
be the person that helps a person to change your
entire life. So not snap snap, really really really really.
(45:44):
Those are the gifts we talk about generational wealth. I
believe generational wealth is not just about money. It's about
emotional and mental wellness, and that's what we need to
be pouring into.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
You are the embodiment. I've done a lot of work
of there. I've done a lot of work of that.
You're the embody done a lot of work, done a
lot of work.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Amen, I'm going to have you close us out with
these this prompt right prompt prop that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Okay, So oftentimes we don't start something because we are
attached to how it will be perceived. We are attached
to if it's not one hundred percent of victory, we're
not going to get started. But all you are required
to do is start. That is to get in flight.
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Your first iteration is not going to look like your
second or your third. And so god it whispered like
it's time to do a book, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
that ain't my thing. Like, I don't know if what
I do translates to pages I like to yell at
I mean with love and my clients. And I'm like,
you know, how does that? You know, how is that transferable?
(47:03):
And so I remember I was just going to make
a deposit every day, whether it was speaking into a
device and just you know, just making something that allows
me to move towards whatever the final goal was. So
it was like, you know, we attach ourselves oftentimes based
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on time. Right, So the first iteration of me doing
a book was called the Rose Effect, A Guide to
delivering the Performance of your Life. And so here's the thing.
I decided that I was going to just write the
pages and the app that I was using, Timmy, would
then transcribe my words to a word document. Okay, and
(47:46):
for me, I need to touch. It has to be
tangible so that I can see the full picture. And
I was like, I went to the printer. I said,
just print out these pages, make this, you know, cover
and put it in a spiral so I can touch
what will become my book one your vision. Yeah, yeah,
and this is it. It was like the Rose Bay
and the first one. There was one before this, maybe
(48:08):
like ten pages. But I was like, okay, this can
happen now that I said do a book. And I
was like a guide. I'm gonna do a guide because
no harm, no five. If it don't work out for you,
nobody lost, right right. And then the next one, some
friends were like, why don't you do eight steps to
delivering the performance of your life. I was like, eight steps.
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That means I got to commit and so, if I'm
being honest, the first iteration was seven steps to delivering
the performance of your life. And then this goes back
to the idea of losing twice because while I was
on set for Taco Bell commercial with Billy Ray Cyrus,
Sam Elliott, lil nas X, I got a call that
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my house had been robbed, and so I am like
crying in the desert on the side of the road
as they're like sending me pictures of my place. But
I'm also seeing them take talent back to set, and
I said, I don't want to lose twice in that
my stuff is lost, is gone, Yeah, but to not
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be present in this moment would be the second loss,
And so I was crying. I was at the village
area for watching all of the scenes that were happening
video village, and I was just like, you got this.
Now I'm still like in pain, but I'm trying to
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show up for the next moment. And I often say,
if not careful, you will sit in moments longer than
you're supposed to. When the blessing is lose the blessing
of the next moment, so recover quick. And so in
that moment, I had to recover. And then I was like, oh, well,
people will see this commercial and they will say, oh,
(49:57):
my God beautiful, but they won't know the process, and
I wanted to show the process. And that's how we
got to eight steps to delivering the performance of your life.
The eighth chapter is called the Power of the Push Through. Right,
So I was like, okay, gool Google and who knew
that this book would come out August twentieth, twenty twenty.
(50:19):
That God had been preparing me for the moment where
people would be still, and that Rolling Stone Magazine would
now have time for you. And then finally we just
did a repurposing, refresh her of the book and this
is where we ended, but it's not where we started, right,
(50:41):
Don't get me excited, so start, just get started.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, thank you, thank.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
You, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
This was magnetic. Your spirit is magnetic. It goes deep.
We described the surface.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
We created a beautiful, beautiful beauty, a full moment of
bubble of magic here. Thank you so much. Thank you
for your generosity and for sharing and for bringing the props. Yes,
you have set a new standard future guest need.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Because that is the.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Thing right there.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
We think, I don't want to write the book because
what am I going to do when the people are
knocking on my door when it's New York times.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Start.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
You gotta start, you got to start. So thank you
so much. I appreciate this so much. We could be
talking for hours, so much more that we continue the conversation,
and I will say, confidence, con it's so important. It's
so important. If there are things that are standing in
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your way from achieving whatever it is that you know
in your spirit and in your conversations with God you
are here to accomplish. Do not let that time pass
you by.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Do not let it pass you precision and your purpose.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
As always, thank you kJ Rose for this conversation, and
thank you so much as always for listening. I hope
I know that you got so many gems out of
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this one. Please please please learn from what I shared
with you earlier. Take a moment process this beautiful information
and apply it practically, because just like the first iteration
of this book, the Rose effect that kJ Row shared
with us, right, take a moment to actually get that
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together and then move on from there and go to
confidence or give it to someone. Okay, we'll have all
the information in the show notes. Thank you, Okay, Okay,
And then I'll started walking and it was like, you
got this girl, sit down, you oughta yes. You got this,
You oughta yes. And that is what started me in
this power chant journey. And it was you are the
yes you've been waiting for, bou Ba. Don't you ever
forget what you came here for, a bow bound and
no matter what, you just make it count. Uh uh.
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Take up space with your gift. That's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to the Shaping Freedom Podcast, where we dive into
conversations that inspire personal growth, transformation and clarity and challenging times.
I'm your host, Lyssan Basquiat. All right, so today's guest.
Before I formally introduced her, I just want to share
something with you that's going to put you into focus
on what we're going to be talking about today.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I need to practice that confidence they mark honest to
be black. I'm always nervous for public speaking and gay
I'm gonna get my nerves together.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm a praise.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you didn't know, public speaking was my biggest fear.
So I was like I was completely intimidated and I
was like no, I turned to dell. If you need
a confidence it is confidence con. If you need to
resirect your confidence is confidence con. If you need some
confidence commissioning, it's confidence con. We're doing confidence circa training.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There are some people whose very presence makes you want
to sit up straighter, stand a little taller, and remember
the power that you carry in your own voice. My
guest today is one of those people, and I have
to tell you I walked in this door and she
exudes everything that she talks about, teaches and preaches. Keana
(01:44):
kJ Rose Henson, known simply as kJ Rose, is a
Grammy Award winning performance director, author, and the founder of
the Rose Effect. She's worked with icons like Janet Jackson, Justin, Timberlake,
Lil nas X, helping them to step fully into their
presence and to connect more deeply with audiences around the world.
(02:05):
She's been called the artist Whisperer, and for good reason.
She has a gift for pulling out the truest, most
unapologetic version of a performer and helping them to bring
that to the stage. She is also the force behind
confidence con, which is what we shared in that real,
a movement and live event dedicated to activating confidence in
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all of us, not just artists, but entrepreneurs, leaders, and
everyday people learning to take up space in their own lives,
and her book The Rose Effect Eight Steps to delivering
the Performance of your Life, is a guide to doing
just that. In this conversation, as I promised a little
while ago, we're going to talk about confidence. We're going
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to talk about presence, storytelling, and what it means to truly,
truly show up as your full self, whether you're on stage,
in a boardroom, or simply in your every day life.
So I guess what we're gonna be talking about today, y'all. Confidence.
(03:12):
We'll talk a little bit more about confidence con in
a few minutes and later on in the episode, but
for right now, pull yourself up because the conversation that
we're having today is a conversation around confidence.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So think about this.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
When was the last time that you walked into a
room and fell completely at home in your own skin,
not shrinking, stepping fully into the person that you are,
sharing your voice, expressing your vision, and willing to share
who you truly are. That is what I would love
for you to connect yourself to right now, because we
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are going to talk about how to make sure that
you are fully doing that, yes, right, and showing up
in the world in that way.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
kJ.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I am so so excited to welcome you to the
Shaping Freedom Podcast. Thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh, thank you for having me. This is such a blessing. Yeah,
divinely serendipitous.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It feels that way. It really really feels that way.
And I think that for those of you who are listening,
you know, I think that what I described is what
so many of us are searching for. It's the way
that so many of us truly want to show up
as in the world, fully embodying the creation that we are.
(04:44):
Absolutely and you help people to do that because.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm living it every day. Yes, ma'am, I'm trying to.
And I feel like I always disarm people because I
never want anyone to think that I've just arribed into something.
I am here here to kind of like obliterate the
process of things so that they know that we're not
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much different. If I got in flight and I started,
you can do the same.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, thank you so much for starting with that, because
I'd love Will you share, yes, how you got not
the whole long story?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Get here?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
How do we get here? Let's talk a little bit
about that. And that's for the person who's like, oh know,
like she's great and she's doing all these amazing things.
But story exactly, so let's talk about Let's start there.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Chicago born South Side, and then we moved to Flossmore, Illinois.
Went to two high schools, HF Whitney Young shout out
for both, and then I went to FAM You. But
in my younger years, while I was great with ensembles
and choirs and fully you know, available and showing up,
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that same comp evidence wasn't transferable to doing solo performances
or being an orator. Like anything that I had to
do by myself on stage, my body would have an
adverse reaction. And so I remember my mom saying, why
don't you just do something else? Because this is just
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like I'd be like, don't talk to me. I mean,
it was just like I'm processing because I'm trying to
figure out what the audience thought. And I was like, well,
how do I take my power back from that? And
how do I outrun that? So that's really how we started.
You know, I was in the Soul Children of Chicago
because I loved to sing, and even being at FAM
You shout out to the family, BFFs and adults. Is
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who always saw something in me as a performer and
asked me to sing every time, and so me saying
yes was me just being accountable to my friends and
to my sorority, not because I believed at the time
that I was the one to do it. I just
felt like out of that kind of group of friends,
I was the one who had probably the most skill
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set at the time. And so from there after being
at FAM you the best HBCU, I went to New
York and I remember meeting my friend Shelley, my sores,
Shelley's friend Big John Platt, who is now chairman of
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Sony Publishing and at the time was at EMI, and
they were like, you should sing for John and I
was like, ah, not really, I mean I'm out a clown.
I just don't do it on the spot. But that
was really just nerves. And so then he was like,
well I leave tomorrow, and I was like, am no,
I am felling. And so me just kind of stepping
out on that and just doing it amidst the fear
(07:48):
and the feeling of inadequacy was what led him to
place me with my management team, Dave Nelson Rest in
Peace and Erskain Isaac out of New York, who then
placed me in studios with Heavy D and Biggie and
so really just helping me to cultivate this thing in me.
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And I even got on the Apollo because I was like,
if you don't do it, I mean do.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It, you might as well do it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, my god, I don't know who said that was
a good idea, so, you know, and so I was like, well,
I want to I need to find a way to
outrun this sphere because I think what happens is if
you don't believe you're born with something naturally, you end
up dismissing it or disqualifying it, as opposed to saying, okay,
(08:33):
maybe this is a gift that just requires some deposits,
some work. And so I was like, I've got this feeling.
You know, I might just be all right, but I
can outwork you, you know what I mean. And so
I did Apollo the first time I won. I think
I did Anita Baker and then they brought back all
of the All stars and so, unbeknownst to me, this
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girl brought a busload of people from Maryland. I'm going
to say they were church people, but you know, they
boom me, we'll say that. And so it was like
if I was in seventh position, you know, when they
were going down the line and people got the obligatory applause,
and then when they got to me, they bowed me.
She was an eighth and then they cheered for her.
(09:15):
And so while I knew what was happening, and even
like bow Legged Lou from Full Force was the host
and he was like, don't ever stop. This is entertainment.
You got something. And so in the midst of me
like feeling just like you know, low and in tears
and still clapping for her, I was like, Okay, this
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is a turning point. I think this is going to
help you make the delineation between this is just something
you enjoy as a hobby or this is something that
you want to be a life changing thing in your life.
And so I was like, how would you let people
that are not privy to your assignment make you make
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a decision for the rest of your life. And I
was like, they don't even know me personal and so
that's one of the lessons that I took with me
from that point on. And so that is how the singing,
got started.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Shout out to the busload of people.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Shout out to the busload of people. You pushed me,
that's right, thank you so much. Yeah, so that's how
we started. That's when I knew that I had to
push past it and figure out what like my force was.
Just It's while I believed that I was a good singer.
(10:31):
I'm sure there were everybody I could sing me on
under the table, but I also said, well, what are
the other things that you're great at. I'm great at
showing up, I'm great at being tenacious and persistent and
you know, empathetic. I felt like all of those things
were going to be needed in my journey, and so
I would say with heavy D. I got a call
while I was in Brooklyn at like eleven pm. I
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didn't even know it was going to be him. They
just said, you know, Tony dofat producer I was working,
and they say, can you just come studio and sing
some vocals? And when I got there, I saw that
it was heavy and it wasn't even supposed to be
a single. But when we finished, they were like, Okay,
(11:14):
this is it. And so imagine writing down the West
Side Highway listening to you can be my big Daddy
me and my my Sora Indie Brown. Just I was like,
oh my god, Okay, this is what I'm supposed to
be doing. And so once I heard my voice, it
was no going back.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I love that you asked yourself those questions, you know,
what do I want to do? What do I want
to be good at?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right, we were talking right before we got started about
going to the gym. Yeah, you don't walk in and say,
I don't know if I was destined to do fifty
you know, whatever it's right, or to lift whatever. You
get in there and you decide it, get started. I'm
gonna you know, bench press whatever it is, and then
you work your way to that.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah. And I think if you looked at the end result,
sometimes you might not get started right.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because because it seems so big, so far away from
where you.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Are in that moment, and then the idea of perfection
of like if I'm not going to do it fully,
I'm not going to do it. It's like, really, just
make a deposit today, That's right. That's really been my life.
Like it doesn't mean that I have kind of moved
with this level of knowing. It was just like, there
is something today that I believe, and I'm going to
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make the deposit today.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Let's talk about the Rosa fact. I think this is
a great segue into that. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So my mother named me shout out Sylvia Keanas because
we sent our first name, but mama. And so I
remember after being on the road as a background singer
for you know, Janet and Brittany and Justin and Carl Thomas,
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who believed he was an early adopter to kJ And
so after the road, I was like, Okay, I think
it's time, you know, because you're collecting all this data
and you are really getting kind of like this crash
course twenty feet from stardom. And I was like, okay,
(13:17):
I think if I stay back here, then I will
never get the gall to step out and do my
own thing. And I think sometimes you can stay in
space is longer than God intended.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Say that again, nice and slow, nice, Maybe you should
sing it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oftentimes you stay in places longer than God intended, and
then it's diminishing return.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
That's right, that's right. Because you're supposed to get.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
In, get out.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You're supposed to get in and get out right and comfortable,
and you forgot the goal, and you forgot that that
was supposed to be a stepping stone. And while it
poured heavily, it got me where to be. I just
I think after watching the documentary Twenty Feet from Stardom,
I wanted to make sure that I didn't land anywhere
by default, that I made the choice even if whatever
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this singing career, you know, whatever I envisioned, if I
didn't get there, I tried. And so I came off
the road and I started working for Clive Davis at
Jay Records, my sister CJ. Initially, when they asked, I
was a I just went in to be the nighttime
receptionist that was five to nine, so then I could
work on my project, you know, in the earlier hours,
(14:35):
and so you know, swiz walking through Jennifer Hudson, Tyrese
Mario and I was like, oh my god, I'm supposed
to be doing something. And then they asked me to
work for Clive, and I was like, I think I'm good.
But she helped me realize, CJ, that no matter what
area of business or of this entertainment industry, I decided
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to go into to uh the information that I would
be kind of accessible to would be invaluable. And so
I was his assistant for about a year and a half.
And you know, while you know, it came with the
job of of you know, pouring tea and other you
know task the job, I was like, how do you
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make sure you don't lose twice? So even if the
first loss seems like I'm doing something that I don't
necessarily want to do, the second losses, well, well, if
this is where God has you, how do you honor
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the space and the moment that's right so that you
don't have this feeling of like, oh my god, what
am I doing? And then also I lost time. So
like next to Clive's office was Larry Jackson and just
a lot of an rs and and I remember Carolyn Williams,
she was in marketing, and I was just having meetings
(16:04):
every day, just making sure that they hurt my stuff.
And it's funny because when I got the call from
Carolyn about performance direction for some of the artists, I
thought they were just I thought I was getting call
for a record deal. I was like, oh, this is happening,
And I was like, this is going down. But it
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was to help other artists with stage presence.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
That's interesting. And why why did they ask you?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well, because they had come to some of my performances before.
So while the music I think was just I, they
loved the performer in me and the way that I
occupied space on stage, and I had to be careful
because I was like, I did not want to do
that in lieu of something not working right, because then
(16:52):
you're just a bit of coach, right, And so I
was like, maybe the way I framed this is that
this is a natural progression of my assignment. It's bigger
than what I believe it to be. I'm not one lensed.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
A lot of the way that you are describing your
approach to your life journey to the gift of your
life journey is very intentional, and even in the language
that you use about like you didn't want to wind
up someplace by default and looking at you know, you
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didn't want to lose twice and.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Where does that come from? Is there, yeah, a moment
in your life or is there something within you that
has helped you to take both this thirty thousand foot
view of your life while also having your feet on
the ground and stepping into and saying yes to these
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different opportunities that present themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't even know. If I had the language then
I knew it was happening, but I think later I
found the language to what I was doing. I also
think that it is being from Chicago, Like it's a
very pragmatic kind of spirit, which I think helped me
(18:30):
to And my mother didn't care that much about like
I mean, she supported, but she wasn't more invested in
it than that would take me to a space where
there were expectations of it. Like I was doing something
that was unconventional within my family, and so I took
baby steps because I remember when I called her and
(18:51):
said I was going on tour and she was like, okay,
what about the stock options and what about the four
oh one K I was like, I invested, we could,
and so it was like she made me still kind
of take heed to a level of conservatism and how
I moved, but also to listen to my heart.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's that's it. It's that because what you're describing as
a person who you could have been heady. Yeah, I'm
around this person and you know, this celebrity walked through
and some speeds and this one and that one, and
you know, Clive Davis, and you could have gone completely
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in your head about it, and it sounds like while
like you were in a place of centeredness that allowed
you to follow the breadcrumbs that were being dropped for
you in these different opportunities. I would say, which is
what's what helps you to live a life that's not
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by fault?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
And you know what it is. I wasn't desperate for it.
Like while I wanted it and I was hungry for it,
I wasn't willing to do anything for it. And so
you know, I worked at Feiser Pharmaceuticals by day, sleeping
in the bathroom at lunch and in the studio at night,
and so I was still and I was I didn't
(20:22):
have family in New York when I was there, so
it was like, you're right every decision, even from going
to Europe on tour. I felt like I didn't grow
up around seeing people do anything besides you know, get
a nine to five. And so I was just like, Okay,
I wanna take this leave of absence and then I'm
(20:44):
gonna go on tour. And then when I got back,
I was like, oh, I still got the job. I
still I should have kept going, but I was like, Okay,
I still got the job. And then I got to
a point where I felt like God was asking me
to take a leap instead of spending time asking everybody
else to valid what I was doing. And then as
soon as I took the leap, and I didn't even
(21:04):
have anything confirmed when I gave my two week notice,
it happened after yeah, and it was just like okay, yeah,
but I was I was tiptoe on every step of
the way, and I never went head first, but now
I know how to go ahead first.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, wow, okay, okay, all right, So I saw something
in you. There's something about your stage presence. Yes, that
was gold, right, and that would be helpful what happens then?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So I didn't get back to saying how we got
to kJ Rose And so because I would go into
the offices and people would always put me in this
defeating position of Okayanna the background singer, I said, oh, okay, yeah.
And while it was, you know, what I needed at
the time, but now I was desiring to be in
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a new kind of lens. And oftentimes I think we
get frustrated when people don't see us differently, but we
haven't really planned enough seeds and doing the thing enough
for them to just see it naturally. And so I
was like, even if you just didn't know who I
was for five minutes, you know, that was better than
you putting me in this background position, because now I
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desire to be in the foreground.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And so I was like, okay, well, kJ Rose and
I always ran from Rose because I felt like it
aged me. I was like, Rose sounds like an older name.
And then I started doing assessing, you know, really where
the rose came from, you know, And I was like,
you were rooted in this destiny, in this greatness from
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the very beginning. Both my maternal and paternal grandmother have
derivatives of Rose. It's Rose and Rosa. Oh wow, my
mom's name is Rosa. I did not realized that. I
thought kJ Rose was ah. I thought Rose was a. Yeah. Yeah,
Rose is my middle name, okay, and I'm a descendant
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of Matthew Henson, so it's like yeah. I was like,
why are you running from it? Like? And once I
saw that in the root of the rose, it is
inherent with rising, I was like I've been running from it,
and the minute I sat in into it, I was like, Okay,
(23:31):
I've already been qualified.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
For you just had to you just had to step
into receive it.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, and there was the Rose effect.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Wow. And then what happened?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And then I started building clients and helping people tell
compelling stories no matter what stage they were on. And
I I think what helped was because I always identify
as an artist, you know, whether it is a traditional
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artist on stage or performance development artist. I speak the
language of an artist, so I know what it feels
like to be in front of thousands, and I know
what it also feels like to know you have a story,
but there is some part of your body or your
being that won't allow you to fully access it, you know.
So my job at that time, I started loving the
(24:27):
Rose effect more than I loved being on stages kJ
Rose because I felt like I was making more of
an impact. It was a time where I could help
people be reintroduced to themselves, you know. So it was
like I saw I just it felt like this was
the assignment, the ultimate assignment. But I could not have
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done it without having been on stage myself. Because now
I'm telling you about something I've experienced and not what
I read about. And so now the Rose effect is
hoping artists to excavate, executives and entrepreneurs to excavate their assets,
you know, pushed beyond their perceived capacity and stretch their
(25:09):
comfort zone so that they're telling stories that can't be
negotiated or hijacked. You know. So whether it is you
know Nas or l l or Little Nas or Sweetie
or Tyla or Lady London or Andrew Day I am
Grateful or Queen Nijia, let me stop, because I don't
want to forget nobody. But like I, you know, and
(25:30):
nobody can receive the same lesson plan. And what pushes
me is that I have to go deeper in order
to serve them, because this is really about what you've
discovered about yourself, yep.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Helping them to pull that out of themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, because nobody can interpret or receive information the same, right,
And then I don't I can walk in with this
lesson plan, but I don't know the day you had
before you walked in there, you know. So it really
I try to leave room to be inspired in the
moment and to have God sometimes I'm standing there, I'm like, Lord,
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what are you depositing the day? Like, what is it
that they need?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I feel like something is off, you know, And it
becomes this emotional contract because I'm asking these clients to
be vulnerable, which means I also have to offer that.
So I got to do the work before I get
in exactly. So confidence confidence is a calling to choose
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the best parts of yourself and acknowledge them, embrace them
every single day. And the others you just this data.
You collecting data to see how to course correct, how
to recalibrate, how to condition it. And it's it's a
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choice that I make every day, you know, because as
I said, confidence is not transferable. You know what I
will feel in kind of one area of my life
if I am being you know, elevated and pushed further,
I got to make a new deposit. And so I'm
often saying, you know, I believe. You know, when people
speak of confidence, of course, your first thought is like, oh,
(27:21):
I've got confidence. Great, Yes, we all we have a measure.
But maybe the confidence that you currently hold is great
for where you are, what you do it. You need
something else where you've been, but you need something else
for where you're going, you know. And so it's if
you're looking for like a new degree, you the old
(27:43):
information is the old information. You got to step out
and make some new deposits. And so that's I think
confidence for me is I'm supposed to revolutionize, you know,
how we approach it, our relationship with it. And I
feel like God consistently takes me through experiences so I
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can go deeper on how I apply language to it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And you're talking about the relationship to it, I'm thinking
about the folks that you've worked with within the music
industry specifically, how do you help because there's a relationship
that people have to their craft, yes, and to the
story that they're telling through their craft. How do you
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help a person And while many most of the folks
listening to this are not those folks, we all have
our own greatness, we all have our own journey. We're
all doing a thing, and so how do you help
a person to connect to and reconnect to the story
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of their life or to the thing that they're expressing.
Whether it's an executive who's a leadership role, a stage performer,
or an artist, a writer or a housewife, someone who's
at home, Like, how do you reconnect?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Is the research you know that I do on them
and studying first. The second thing is disarming people quickly
because oftentimes if a company sends me into an executive,
or if a label sends me into an artist, the
immediate thought is that something is wrong, right, And I'm
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always of the mindset if I'm in the room, they
have already investigated in the room. Everything is great. Everything
is great. It's about leveling up. Yes, because you're already
benching three fifty. I'm just sureing to take you to
seven hundred, that's right. And I often say that I
don't give you anything that you don't already possess. My
job is to irritate, agitate areas of dormant potential, potential abandoned,
(30:01):
or gifts you didn't know you had. And so part
of my process is reconnecting you to your wins already,
you know, because if you have left winds behind, then
then the victory seemed too far apart. And so my
job is to, first, let's just think of everything that
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you've already done. And so now it is we lift
off from this point and my job is to connect you,
help you re champion your story, right, so there are
no holes in it, like the areas of unresolved you know,
kind of feelings, like, let's resolve them so you can
take your power back, right, because by the time we
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see the external expression, we're just watching a reflection of
your internal narrative.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That's right, does it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I want to watch you, you know, having a sales
pitch or on stage in process. Nobody wants to watch
you processing, you know, that's the work we do in
the studio. So it is bringing the idea of performance
back to a conversation with you. So I strip you
of the cadence, I strip you of your comfort zone,
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like the things that naturally because we have to reassess
that because most times we have found ways to exist
based on fight or flight. Like that's right, I'm on stage.
But it's like, because I've collected data along the way
from other people, but I don't even know how much
of this I've subscribed to that's mine, right, and how
(31:36):
much it's based on what other people's opinions are. So
now I want to just I'm excavating, excavating all of
that work so we can get back to well, who
are you and now let's add did that work for you?
Was that somebody else's Was that out of feeling inadequate?
Was that fear? You know what I mean? And so
it's now, how do we take our power back from
the things we've been silenced by? How do we resurrect
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our force? What's that thing about you that cannot be hijacked? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
For me, it's energy, it's empathy, it is compassion, it
is Uh, I love you know, like even if it's
I love crab legs, I love fries, I love Look
what do you know? Who are who are you? Yes?
You know? And I have you write down all those
things because I think, you know, we just get in
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you know, autopilot. Yeah, we just moved from, you know,
scenario to scenario, but we never figure out, Uh, who
do we become out of that scenario? What do I
like about you know, what I've picked up? And what
do I just want to leave behind?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know, I was talking to someone last night and
we were talking about just that. One of the things
that I've been struggling with this summer, actually all year,
is I have so many things that are happening, and
they are happening really quickly, and they're wonderful things. There
are things that I've wanted, things I'm working for, working toward,
And in this conversation with this person, I was talking
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about the fact that things are happening so quickly that
I am finding myself falling off my typical routine. And
part of my routine is to process things, to integrate them,
to say, oh, I had this amazing conversation with this
incredible lady kJ Rose today, and these are the gems
(33:27):
that popped up for you, and let me just kind
of like not spend two hours contemplating them, but just
the moment to acknowledge the experience and to process it
so that I can move forward not with the snowball
of twenty twenty five, but having integrated, to pull in
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what I loved, to process whatever I didn't, and then
move forward with that new learning. And so we had
a whole conversation about about that. But that's what this
reminds me of. It sounds like what you are helping
people to do is to show up more authentically and
to make conscious decisions about what they're doing and how
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they are performing, both on the stage or in the
boardroom or any room at the home or the office
or whatever they are. But to really take a moment,
take a beat to think about what you're actually who
you are and why you and why and why do
you believe that you need to boo number seven in
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order to show up for number eight?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
You know you're about to say it again. That's a
T shirt? Is a T shirt? Something you know?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Like why do you have to do that? Like where
did that come from?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Is that your natural inclination? Or you're doing that because
you think that that's what you're supposed to do when
you're on autopilot and you're not thinking about.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And I think we were talking about like also the
iterations of yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, you talked about earlier that part of what helped
you to make your decision was I don't want to
get the example wrong, but there was something that you
were saying to yourself. There was some internal dialogue that
you said to justify like I don't want to be
on the stage anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I know that was what it was.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
But there was some thing that you were saying to yourself.
The self talk is really yeah, and that you heard
that I don't remember what it was. It was something
about like I don't want to do this anyway. And
then you were like, wait, is.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
That really what it is?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Or is it I'm afraid yes, yeah, I don't remember
the exact example.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh when they asked me to sing yes and you
say and you say okay, god right, And I was afraid, right.
I was afraid, right, and so then I was and
I had to be like threatened with his departure. I
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have figured out now like how to because oftentimes, again
if we don't if something doesn't come to us naturally,
if we're not naturally gifted with you know, positive internal
dialogue or just kind of reaffirming, you know, we're just like, ah,
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we just live in that just not being the case.
But I'm always one of prompts. I put prompts in place,
so I created power Chance and they are like thirty
seconds of musical affirmations that whenever. And it came about
because I was trying to chase down Oprah and you know,
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she was at this event, and you know the first
time I was with Indie again and the first time
I tried to walk over there was like the Spirit Awards,
and I think you only get like three minutes in between,
and I tried to walk over and I was like,
this is the time. I think the whole weekend I
had been we had been orbiting each other. But I
was just like, they're not letting me in these buildings whatever.
And so I started walking. And as I walked toward
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the table, there was obviously one train of thought was
like you got this. Keep walking. The other one was like, girl,
sit down, who do you think you are? And I
was like oh, And then that that spirit got louder.
And then I came back to the seat and I
was like, you are the solution. She is looking for you.
You are the yes. And I was like, try it again.
(37:37):
And then I started walking and it was like, you
got this. Girls, sit down, you oughta yes. You got this,
You oughta yes. And that is what started me in
this power chair journey. And it was you are the
yes you've been waiting for, bou. Don't you ever forget
what you came here for about bound and no matter what,
you just make it count. Uh uh. Take up space
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with your gift. That's what it's about. So it was
all of the things that I've done have become or
we're out of, you know, a defeating situation.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Or your journey to defeating Yes, who is confidence con.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
For confidence con is for humans, all the humans, all
the humans. It's for the person that knows that they
have a story, that have that may have had whispers
of an assignment that they were supposed to carry out,
(38:42):
that has the heart palpitations and the nerves that block
them from being able to fully show up. Uh. It
is for the person that just needs confidence conditioning or
you abandon it. You had it, you we regain it.
It's for you to reclaim the confidence again. It is
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for anyone that needs to be elevated to heights that
they can see but they can't touch yet, you come
and get the tools that can help you to fully
show up, to make decisions based on real data, not
old information, right. You know that allows you to push
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your edge, to test it, to press yourself so that
you know, Okay, now I don't have to make decisions
from back here anymore. Now I'm actually there's more edge
to go. Somebody that needs to push their edge.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
So you're making decisions from the truth of who you are.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Today, you know, yep, not just old decisions or old
data that makes it just about activity but not productivity.
You're busy, but you like to die twenty busy, yeah,
as opposed to twenty twenty five is right because you're
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here today.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Today, I'm thinking about what you said before about how
sometimes we believe that we're not born with something. Yes,
and I think that that confidence falls into that where
there are some people who say, similar to the comment
about clowning being a.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Clown, you're not going to be a clown or.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yes, there are people who say, well, that's not me.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
And for some folks who are happy with it, that
the issue is right, it's not a judgment, right, It's
about what you know to be the truth on the
inside of your soul, and.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Only you know that.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Only you know that, right.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And so for those folks who have been running a
line of you know what, that's for those people, Yeahanna Jackson,
I know Whoever, I don't really need that. I'm okay
back here.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
If that's really.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
The truth, that's cool, that's wonderful. Or I wasn't born
with confidence, right, You don't have to have been born
with confidence, because what I'm hearing in your story is
that you are building confidence along the way every day
and that you're connected, which is what I think is
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the beauty in thank you so much for.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Coming here today.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
You have no like, there's so many ways that you
have that I know you're helping those folks who are listening,
and that you are absolutely helping me. There is a
soundtrack app and come on inside of me while we're talking. Yes, right,
And what I what I appreciate is that you are
living on purpose. You're walking, you're adjusting, you're walking, you're
(41:53):
saying yes, you're listening to the assignment. You're tweaking your course,
correcting where you need to and with without always knowing
exactly where it's going to wind up. But there's something
about the beauty and magic in the willingness to be
on a journey, which means you're moving, you're growing, you're evolving.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
That is that sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's freedom.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
And it's freedom it is that is what freedom actually is.
You cannot be free if your story is you know,
when I was nineteen years old, this person did so
and so, And you can't be free if you're unwilling
to step into the future to be here twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Absolutely, So yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Two things.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yes, One is how can we support you?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
We'll start with that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Okay. Number one is confidence enough. If it's not you, first,
I'm going to say so, I love you to come.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
You to come, everybody, everybody, everybody.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And if you already got it, if you maxed out
on your confidence, then tell a friend and so you
can find out more. It's happening Saturday, September twentieth at
Slick Studios, which is right on Jefferson and Librea in
Los Angeles, in Los Angeles, and we will help you
to tap into your personal star power, awaken things in
(43:31):
you that just truly needed a lift of sorts. It
is a call to your power. We will ignite radical
self trust, we will unleash creativity and inspire, bode leadership.
And at Confidence Coin, we don't teach confidence. That's a
that's a different type of coach, but we unlock it
(43:55):
from the moment you walk in the door, and it
will be circuit training. You will be moving from different
areas within the compound so that you leave there with
more than what you came with.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I am in my head thinking about my schedule. Yes, okay,
because I want some of this.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I want some of this.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And for those of you who are listening, Mike kJ said,
if you give the gift of elevation, give the gift
of helping someone to step into a skill set that
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they know and that you know they need to have.
And so nothing wrong with giving someone the perfect whatever
the thing is. But the gift of growth, the gift
of evolving, the gift of elevation, is something that a
person can take with them.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
And it will have.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Wards ten times over and purpet to your entire family.
Legacy changes, the emotional and mental fabric of a family
changes when you're willing to do the work, when you're
willing to step in and look at the areas of
your life where you are not showing up in this
(45:22):
case with confidence owning your story authentically. You make that
one investment or gift someone that investment, and you could
be the person that helps a person to change your
entire life. So not snap snap, really really really really.
(45:44):
Those are the gifts we talk about generational wealth. I
believe generational wealth is not just about money. It's about
emotional and mental wellness, and that's what we need to
be pouring into.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
You are the embodiment. I've done a lot of work
of there. I've done a lot of work of that.
You're the embody done a lot of work, done a
lot of work.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Amen, I'm going to have you close us out with
these this prompt right prompt prop that we talked about.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Okay, So oftentimes we don't start something because we are
attached to how it will be perceived. We are attached
to if it's not one hundred percent of victory, we're
not going to get started. But all you are required
to do is start. That is to get in flight.
(46:42):
Your first iteration is not going to look like your
second or your third. And so god it whispered like
it's time to do a book, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
that ain't my thing. Like, I don't know if what
I do translates to pages I like to yell at
I mean with love and my clients. And I'm like,
you know, how does that? You know, how is that transferable?
(47:03):
And so I remember I was just going to make
a deposit every day, whether it was speaking into a
device and just you know, just making something that allows
me to move towards whatever the final goal was. So
it was like, you know, we attach ourselves oftentimes based
(47:25):
on time. Right, So the first iteration of me doing
a book was called the Rose Effect, A Guide to
delivering the Performance of your Life. And so here's the thing.
I decided that I was going to just write the
pages and the app that I was using, Timmy, would
then transcribe my words to a word document. Okay, and
(47:46):
for me, I need to touch. It has to be
tangible so that I can see the full picture. And
I was like, I went to the printer. I said,
just print out these pages, make this, you know, cover
and put it in a spiral so I can touch
what will become my book one your vision. Yeah, yeah,
and this is it. It was like the Rose Bay
and the first one. There was one before this, maybe
(48:08):
like ten pages. But I was like, okay, this can
happen now that I said do a book. And I
was like a guide. I'm gonna do a guide because
no harm, no five. If it don't work out for you,
nobody lost, right right. And then the next one, some
friends were like, why don't you do eight steps to
delivering the performance of your life. I was like, eight steps.
(48:29):
That means I got to commit and so, if I'm
being honest, the first iteration was seven steps to delivering
the performance of your life. And then this goes back
to the idea of losing twice because while I was
on set for Taco Bell commercial with Billy Ray Cyrus,
Sam Elliott, lil nas X, I got a call that
(48:52):
my house had been robbed, and so I am like
crying in the desert on the side of the road
as they're like sending me pictures of my place. But
I'm also seeing them take talent back to set, and
I said, I don't want to lose twice in that
my stuff is lost, is gone, Yeah, but to not
(49:15):
be present in this moment would be the second loss,
And so I was crying. I was at the village
area for watching all of the scenes that were happening
video village, and I was just like, you got this.
Now I'm still like in pain, but I'm trying to
(49:35):
show up for the next moment. And I often say,
if not careful, you will sit in moments longer than
you're supposed to. When the blessing is lose the blessing
of the next moment, so recover quick. And so in
that moment, I had to recover. And then I was like, oh, well,
people will see this commercial and they will say, oh,
(49:57):
my God beautiful, but they won't know the process, and
I wanted to show the process. And that's how we
got to eight steps to delivering the performance of your life.
The eighth chapter is called the Power of the Push Through. Right,
So I was like, okay, gool Google and who knew
that this book would come out August twentieth, twenty twenty.
(50:19):
That God had been preparing me for the moment where
people would be still, and that Rolling Stone Magazine would
now have time for you. And then finally we just
did a repurposing, refresh her of the book and this
is where we ended, but it's not where we started, right,
(50:41):
Don't get me excited, so start, just get started.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, thank you, thank.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
You, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
This was magnetic. Your spirit is magnetic. It goes deep.
We described the surface.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
We created a beautiful, beautiful beauty, a full moment of
bubble of magic here. Thank you so much. Thank you
for your generosity and for sharing and for bringing the props. Yes,
you have set a new standard future guest need.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Because that is the.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Thing right there.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
We think, I don't want to write the book because
what am I going to do when the people are
knocking on my door when it's New York times.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Start.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
You gotta start, you got to start. So thank you
so much. I appreciate this so much. We could be
talking for hours, so much more that we continue the conversation,
and I will say, confidence, con it's so important. It's
so important. If there are things that are standing in
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your way from achieving whatever it is that you know
in your spirit and in your conversations with God you
are here to accomplish. Do not let that time pass
you by.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Do not let it pass you precision and your purpose.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
As always, thank you kJ Rose for this conversation, and
thank you so much as always for listening. I hope
I know that you got so many gems out of
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this one. Please please please learn from what I shared
with you earlier. Take a moment process this beautiful information
and apply it practically, because just like the first iteration
of this book, the Rose effect that kJ Row shared
with us, right, take a moment to actually get that
(52:47):
together and then move on from there and go to
confidence or give it to someone. Okay, we'll have all
the information in the show notes. Thank you, Okay, Okay,
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