Then vs. Now: Celebrating 100 Episodes That Changed the Way We Heal

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One hundred episodes of the Shaping Freedom Podcast. That's incredible
work used.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Congratulations to lis on on a hundred episodes of the
Shaping Freedom.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Podcast, Thesan, Congratulations on the hundredth episode of the Shaping
Freedom Podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Congratulations to you on the one hundredth episode.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
Congratulations on your one hundredth episode, the.

Speaker 6 (00:23):
Son, Congratulations on your one hundredth episode.

Speaker 7 (00:26):
Coming up on one hundred episodes, Congratulations, keep it up.

Speaker 8 (00:30):
Congratulations and wishing you many.

Speaker 9 (00:32):
More Episode one hundred, like, that's very special. We should
do we should do something. Yeah, and so that's why
we're here today. We're here for episode one hundred.

Speaker 10 (00:47):
Congratulations, Thank you, thank you, Hey, thank you. Who's going
to open the champagne? Welcome to the Shaping Freedom Podcast,
where we dive into conversations that inspire personal growth, information
and clarity and challenging times. I'm your host, Lissan Basquiat.

Speaker 11 (01:07):
Tell me about this pillow and like, what is the
purpose of it?

Speaker 10 (01:11):
Okay, So that pillow that you're holding in your hand,
brand is branded and it is the newest product to
the Shaping Freedom product line. It is a meditation pillow, Okay,
and it's a chill pillow right, right, So what you
the weight?

Speaker 12 (01:31):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:31):
It's heavy, It's really heavy, and it feels really good.
It's filled with buckwheat and there's buckwheat inside, which means
that it's going to hold its shape forever.

Speaker 9 (01:43):
Okay, right.

Speaker 10 (01:44):
And what's really great about it is I use it
for meditation. I use it when I just want to
kind of like.

Speaker 11 (01:51):
Do you sit on it?

Speaker 10 (01:52):
I sit on it?

Speaker 11 (01:53):
Okay, yes.

Speaker 10 (01:54):
So what I typically do is I will light my
Shaping Freedom candle that is not lit. It's sitting there,
it's not what but that's okay. I'll light my Shaping
Freedom candle. Well there, I am berating you, chastising you
for not having a lighter. So I will light a
Shaping Freedom candle. I'll typically light Congruent or aligned. Congruent

(02:17):
is has notes of bamboo and it is beautiful. And
what I love about right, that's congruent. And what I
love about it is that the ingredients that are in there,
we're very specifically pulled together to evoke a certain emotion

(02:37):
or support. So, for example, Congruent is about connecting. And
sometimes when I'm feeling a little bit chaotic, when I'm
sitting in my office. I will like that congruent candle.

Speaker 11 (02:48):
I should be doing that more.

Speaker 10 (02:49):
You should be doing That's why I sent them here
for you, so that you can use that. They're real
candles and they're smell delicious and or aligned. The ligned
candle is the one you know that one is soothed
for times when you need some soothing made the pillow, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (03:09):
Because if you just lay it down and then you
lay on it, or but you said you sit on it.

Speaker 10 (03:12):
You sit on it, or do whatever it is that
you need to do. Wherever this is Xavier, he's now
in the shot here he is so light. Whichever one
you want it, let's do it.

Speaker 11 (03:24):
It's never been lit.

Speaker 10 (03:25):
It's never been lit. It's never been lit. Uh, And
so the pillow, put it on the floor, sit on it.
Sometimes I'll just sit on it, listen to some music,
Light a candle, burn a candle, hit my gong, and
just kind of sit there and wait for my energy
to become gathered and back to my stuff.

Speaker 11 (03:47):
How gathered are you?

Speaker 10 (03:49):
How gathered?

Speaker 9 (03:50):
I would like to?

Speaker 11 (03:51):
I need to need to? I need to.

Speaker 10 (03:53):
So you should burn the aligned candle. What kind of
brings you together? And then the activated one is good
for when your energy is low.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
Yeah, just two days ago, I was thinking, I think
my anger is not alive, or maybe your anger was
anger or anger? I know my anger, anger.

Speaker 13 (04:13):
Your anger?

Speaker 10 (04:14):
I mean, anger is a natural emotion.

Speaker 9 (04:16):
Should control this a little. I shouldn't get I shouldn't
get so fired up. You know, should is not a
good word.

Speaker 11 (04:22):
Have you ever seen him fired up?

Speaker 10 (04:24):
Never?

Speaker 9 (04:26):
Never?

Speaker 10 (04:26):
I think that he reserves that for not not. I
don't know. Now you're getting off in his business. I've
never seen his business about why he's fired up and
when into him and whatever?

Speaker 9 (04:40):
You all get fired up?

Speaker 10 (04:41):
Well, the anger is a natural emotion, you know. There
are things that happen, and it's it's in there, it's
in the emotion box. It's what you do with it,
and it's what you do to release it.

Speaker 9 (04:57):
Without electricity, Okay, you gotta go. You got electricity went
out at ten thirty am yesterday, said I forgot until
like seven o'clock at night, like, oh, we have a generator,
Oh my gosh. What they kept saying throughout the day
it's going to be on in an hour, so you know.
But anyhow, so at nine o'clock I said, forget it. Yeah, pull,

(05:19):
let's pull out the generator. And then I couldn't get
it to work. So then that made me angry. It's
like you have a generator for these instances and I
can't get it to work. So, you know, I was
fired up. It has gas, but that was probably a
problem because it was old gas.

Speaker 10 (05:34):
But I mean, I think was it hot up in
La yesterday?

Speaker 11 (05:38):
It's pretty nice, it was.

Speaker 9 (05:39):
It was hot. Fortunally, the air condition sustained us. You know, oh,
it just kept it locked up?

Speaker 11 (05:46):
What you had air conditioning?

Speaker 9 (05:48):
Well no, but you know, because we had been running it,
so the house stayed cool.

Speaker 11 (05:52):
Got it?

Speaker 9 (05:53):
Yeah, Fortunately it stay. It stayed because.

Speaker 11 (05:57):
If you're starting next month is going to start getting
pretty painful.

Speaker 9 (06:00):
I assume, right, is super hot?

Speaker 11 (06:03):
Yeah, okay, well, I mean that.

Speaker 10 (06:05):
Is It's perfectly understandable that you'd be hot and pissed
off and angry.

Speaker 11 (06:10):
But did he did he feel did you? Did he
direct any of it towards you? Were you feeling that heat?

Speaker 13 (06:14):
No?

Speaker 10 (06:15):
But I also I keep myself in a bubble of
you know, that's not a boundaries bubble, so I can
whole space and be okay when other people are pissed off.
Now I can get angry. Yeah, you know, don't get
me wrong. I'm not all tulips, and I could certainly

(06:38):
get angry, but no, I don't really get I don't
get sucked into other people's anger because it has nothing
to do with me, And I can hold space for
people who are Philip pissed. You know you've tried it
so many times.

Speaker 9 (06:51):
Ryan, Okay, well, okay.

Speaker 10 (06:55):
You've tried it so many problems. Say look at how
pom I've stayed.

Speaker 11 (06:59):
I'm like living on the edge always, you.

Speaker 10 (07:01):
Know, I know, I know, And look at that. I've
never taken that on.

Speaker 9 (07:06):
So what are we doing here? We're ready, We're ready
to start started excited? Does that mean it's recording?

Speaker 10 (07:14):
It's recording of.

Speaker 11 (07:15):
These cameras are recording and your mike, it's all.

Speaker 10 (07:19):
It's all here. It's okay.

Speaker 9 (07:20):
So then who does she say?

Speaker 10 (07:23):
Where is the episode?

Speaker 14 (07:25):
I M.

Speaker 9 (07:27):
We got it?

Speaker 10 (07:28):
This is funny. If this is so funny because Billy
is so used to being back here, get it together?
Are you sure you want fourteen drinks there? And now
you're like, right, it's fun.

Speaker 11 (07:41):
But if you really want to talk to a camera,
I believe your camera is the one with the red
light underfore you.

Speaker 10 (07:48):
Go, it's lit up for you number four? Uh?

Speaker 11 (07:52):
And then yes, that's correct, everyone can see us.

Speaker 10 (07:55):
Everyone's here, okay, all right? And then are the lights
popping on for.

Speaker 11 (07:59):
Any specific Exavier's in there switching between the cameras just
for the heck of it? Yeah, for fun. So if
we're live streaming and everyone would see the edit, I
love that, But we're not.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
Okay, we're not live streaming, but I love that. We
should do that. Okay, So why are we here? I'm
so excited And I started getting super excited yesterday when
I realized that we were going to be having this
conversation today.

Speaker 11 (08:26):
I can't believe it. Billy, you spread the news, you
tell everybody what.

Speaker 10 (08:30):
Why are we here?

Speaker 11 (08:31):
Well?

Speaker 10 (08:32):
Chatting?

Speaker 9 (08:32):
So I joined the Shape and Freedom podcast family, you know,
and maybe halfway mark kind of fifty episodes ish or something,
and I've been helping with booking the talent, doing the
first outreach to secure talent. It's been pretty cacial and
so it's been We've been wonderful. So when looking at

(08:55):
the schedule, you know, about two months ago, I realized, wait,
we're getting close to episode one hundred, like that's very special.
We should do we should do something. Yeah, and so
that's why we're here today. We're here, we're episode one hundred. Congratulations,
thank you.

Speaker 10 (09:10):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Who's going to open
the not the ghetto pop? We can't get open earlier?
Please don't.

Speaker 11 (09:19):
And I have never heard of it.

Speaker 10 (09:20):
If you know, you know if but I do, you
know exactly what I mean.

Speaker 11 (09:23):
You know what you mean.

Speaker 10 (09:24):
Okay, let's say if you do it.

Speaker 9 (09:25):
But I'm so glad she said that because I was
thinking confetti ghetto pop. I was thinking all that.

Speaker 10 (09:32):
Somebody gets hit in the eye. Okay, yeah, So while
you're opening that gently gently, gently, while you're doing that,
I did want to share that I we started this
podcast back in twenty eighteen, I believe, and I was
so excited. I wanted to have a podcast. And I

(09:55):
was introduced to Ryan by Kelly Kelly's Stokes Brown and
perfect look at you. I love it, very neat. I
hope that we got that on camera. And so anyway,
I was introduced. Ryan and I were introduced to each other,

(10:15):
and I remember I remember recording the very first episode
and it may not have even been the episode. It
could have been like the intro. I don't know, but
we were sitting in an office at the old Harra
Hub Carlsbad location and Ryan this is where the anger

(10:37):
comes in. Ryan was trying so hard to be patient
and I was a mess and I love a mic,
like give me an opportunity to talk. I'm going to talk.
But there was something about it that felt so big
and so scary for me at the time that I
remember sitting across the table from Ryan and He's like, Okay,

(10:59):
just say this and I was like, well, uh, my name.

Speaker 9 (11:04):
Is Hamona Haamana.

Speaker 10 (11:07):
And then Ryan is like, we need to do that
over and he just kept making me do it over
and over and would we should have played that?

Speaker 11 (11:20):
That would have been super super fun.

Speaker 9 (11:24):
We can get pulled in.

Speaker 10 (11:25):
We should incorporate that in some of the earlier ones.
So that was the very first one, and then we
finally got an episode. The first episode that we recorded
was Ainsley Burrows. Yes, that was the first virtual yeah
and so. And then the challenge was that I said

(11:48):
I want to do this podcast, but I was so
very busy with the exhibition and running and just so
busy that I recorded one like every five months.

Speaker 11 (11:58):
It was we're so busy.

Speaker 12 (12:01):
I was.

Speaker 10 (12:01):
I was, and I felt very guilty about that, just
internally guilty and like I was disappointing myself. And then
I don't know how, I don't know where we turned
the corner, but there just came this moment where.

Speaker 11 (12:13):
I was, well, that's like I think Billy is a
big part of it, honestly, yes, because he was became
this middleman between us. Yes, where I was there to
make it happen, but he was there to get you
there that's right, and get someone else there that's right.
You know that's right, and so that was pretty crucial. Ability. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (12:31):
No, you guys are wonderful. When I first started working
with Lisa and I her publicist, personal publis is also
and the background as a journalist, so that's kind of
where the podcast part comes in. But when I was
just listening to the podcast just to familiarize myself with it,
I was just immediately drawn to it. I mean, one,
your energy just sets the tone. Your energy just sets

(12:55):
the tone for people to want to listen. Is very inviting,
the questions that you ask and that you get people
to open up. I definitely learned that as a journalist
like that, the first thing if you can't establish trust
with the person that you're interviewing, like is going to
impact the quality information that you get from get from them.
And you just had that mastered and the fact that
you're talking to people about substantive subjects like self love,

(13:19):
you know, it's wonderful. So I just immediately fell in
love and I had to figure out how it could
be more involved.

Speaker 10 (13:26):
Which was great, which is what we needed because before
you got involved, we would do we got a little
bit more consistent. It was like more than two a year,
and it became but then it was like we'd have
we'd have a go at it for a few weeks
and we'd bulk them up, and then there'd be the
long laps we were doing seasons and all kinds of things.
And now since you've been involved, Billy, we have been

(13:49):
very very consistent, and I've had an episode released every
single week.

Speaker 11 (13:54):
And new guests, you know, and like.

Speaker 10 (13:56):
Yeah, exciting guests, like great.

Speaker 9 (13:58):
People, Ryan and we you were not coming to to
Stralhood Studios and I think that's super cool. I mean,
this space is amazing. You guys have been seeing it
and then of course being in person with your guests
right there, face to space. I think it's but the
space and the hospitality. I mean I hit the snacks, really,

(14:19):
I mean as soon as I.

Speaker 10 (14:20):
Mean it's from the.

Speaker 9 (14:23):
Place to sit over there behind the scenes, and now
there's more space in the green room and all that stuff.
Like I mean, if you need a podcast producer, I.

Speaker 10 (14:32):
Mean you must, you must, you must. So what's really
been exciting? Not exciting? Two things I want to say.
One is, in the six years that we've been working
on this podcast, so many things have happened in the
world and in our lives personally. I remember you and

(14:54):
I having a doing an episode together, the first one
that we did during the pandemic, and I was sitting
in my office at home where I was, you know, huddled,
and you were at home wherever you were huddled, and
we just like looked at each other and like, what
the heck? Right?

Speaker 12 (15:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (15:14):
We chatted for I feel like a couple hours.

Speaker 10 (15:16):
It was a long time, just like it was.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
Really it was very emotional for me, and it was
like I don't know it was, but it was also
very needed. I felt like I got through. Yeah, we
get through yeah, because it was obviously a hard time.

Speaker 10 (15:32):
Yeah, and I think you work with people, and you know,
one of the things that I really love and appreciate
about my experience professionally is that I get to work
with amazing human beings like both of you and the
team that's around all of us, all incredible human beings,

(15:53):
and with human being at the center, with the human
human being at the center. Right, we're all doing the thing,
and we're all doing something that we really enjoy doing,
and we're working with people that we really enjoy working with.
And that's such a blessing, it really is. And I
don't think that more people, more folks should have that experience.

Speaker 9 (16:18):
Yeah, that sounds like a good prompt to toast.

Speaker 10 (16:21):
I was just going to say, but I want before
we toast, or as we're toasting, I just wanted to
add that I'm so grateful that you kept your finger
on We're going to do something for this one hundredth episode,
because I am famous for letting something go by and

(16:41):
then saying, oh, shoot, that was the fiftieth episode, right,
or I just opened this new space, or any of
these things. And one of the things that I'm working
on getting better at is celebrating milestones and accomplishments because
I'm always down to do it for other people and
I don't often do it for myself. So just the

(17:02):
fact that we're sitting here today actually celebrating the one
hundredth episode, even though I blew off Billy every time
he mentioned it. He's like, that one hundredth episode is
coming up? What are we going to do? And I'm like,
I don't know, let me just think about it. I
don't know, and here we are.

Speaker 11 (17:19):
So I just want to thank you.

Speaker 10 (17:21):
I want to thank you for.

Speaker 9 (17:22):
That definitely going to happen. He was not planning definitely
going to happen, but absolutely we have to celebrate it
in thank you for you know, you could have just
moved past it and not celebrated it. But it even
feels good when I'm communicating with people and I said
we're about to celebrate the one hundredth episode, I mean,
people like they go like, oh, you know, it's a commitment,
it's a dedication, and and so one part of well,

(17:47):
should we do the toast first and then we'll tell
them what's going to happen for the rest of it.

Speaker 10 (17:50):
I want to do a toast.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
First.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
I want to just celebrate this moment and I want
to take some champagne.

Speaker 11 (17:55):
Yeah, in the middle of the day, all right, I
know nothing like champagne.

Speaker 10 (18:01):
It's not eleven, it's five o'clock somewhere. Okay, right, it's
not as cold as it should be because I was sitting
in the car, but I think we have one in
the fridge, do we Okay? Excellent, No we don't because
that's okay, whatever, This is excellent.

Speaker 9 (18:18):
Cheers.

Speaker 10 (18:19):
Thank you all so much. And I also really want
to thank those folks who listen to this podcast everywhere
podcasts are and who watch it on YouTube, because some
people prefer to see the video. And I am always

(18:41):
so grateful and warmed when people reach out either in
DMS or they send an email to talk about something
that was uncovered during these episodes. And so for those
folks who are listening and watching and following along and
most importantly applying the things that they're learning from these

(19:04):
incredible guests that we've had on this show, I just
want to thank those of you who are out there
as well.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
I love that and we should also. I don't want
to miss anyone's names, but the team is phenomenal, you know, absolutely.
So there's so many people that are part of making
this happen. So there's all the straw Hood team. There's
Caroline who's also we're working together on the scheduling of people.
And there's Parker who you know, who's been a big

(19:33):
part of it, Xavier who's behind behind the scenes. And
then we have Esther on the Shape and Freedom side
who's getting all the content posted, and Anthony and digital
marketing and all that messaging. I mean, so many people
care on the SAX agency. I mean, Jessica I don't
even know what the title for her. Joseph, you know,

(19:54):
who's helping pick clips and giving advice on how to
approach things, who.

Speaker 10 (20:01):
Has absolutely watched every single episode Joseph has yeah, it's
and Janet recently joined the team, and I don't want
to forget anyone. And Tamina Madson who manages Hara help Carlsbad,
but who also serves as the helicopter air traffic controller
for so many things. An amazing, amazing, incredible team of

(20:25):
people that have all found each other here in this
moment in life, and.

Speaker 9 (20:30):
A pleasure to work with every single person, right.

Speaker 10 (20:33):
They're all fun, like I go out and have tequila
with any one of us.

Speaker 11 (20:36):
That sounds like a fun night.

Speaker 10 (20:38):
Listen, We're gonna do it.

Speaker 11 (20:39):
We have to.

Speaker 10 (20:39):
We actually have to have to have a team party,
but anyway, we need to. So this episode, do you
want to?

Speaker 9 (20:47):
So Leisan had this idea because we were had a
few different conversations about what the hundredth episode would look like,
and then Lisan said, I have you know, I have
an idea. Let's just reach out to people and let's
have them make videos telling us about what the podcast
has meant to them, and let's play those videos and

(21:09):
let's react to them. And you know, it was so simple,
so poignant, and it just makes a lot of sense.
So she gave me a list and so I reached
out to those people and a lot of them were
able to submit videos. And I'm happy you haven't seen
them yet, so you guys would get to see which camera,
you guys would get to see live her reaction to

(21:32):
people with their reflections on being a part of the podcast.
So I can't wait for you guys to see that.
But it was really touching just to see how the
how the podcast has impacted people, and none of this
was prompted. I told them, I just said, just say,
this is how it's impacted me, and you feel in
the blank whatever that is, and it's I can't wait

(21:54):
for you to see it, and I can't wait for
you guys to see it.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
I'm excited.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
One thing I wanted to say earlier when you were
talking about your guests is that I feel like I mean,
I record a lot of podcasts, but I do feel
like your guests generally get something out of the interview
more so than like other shows. I don't know, there's
something that they're they're like learning some somehow themselves, and

(22:18):
I don't think that that is typical typical. Typically, the
guests are there obviously to educate the audience, and that
is happening. But at the same time, like I feel
like they're all I feel like I see them all
getting something out of the show somehow or the conversation with.

Speaker 10 (22:35):
You, and I appreciate that. I think we both do.
You know, Like I always leave and there have been
times where we've recorded back to back episodes, but I
always leave feeling so energized and inspired by these individuals
who are doing these incredible, incredible things and who are
willing to come a lot of them to travel through

(22:58):
LA traffic come to the studio to sit down and
chat with me, and that is always so I'm so
appreciative and grateful for that and the fact that they're
willing to share their own experiences and their own journeys
and what they've learned, because there are so many folks
who are really on the other end of that.

Speaker 11 (23:19):
Yeah, And maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's because
it's getting to more of a personal connection and not
just an educational correction, and that's why they're able to
feel like they get something more out of it. I
don't know, that's just there's a different dynamic with the
guests on this show that I see with others.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
Oh wow, thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 11 (23:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (23:38):
In my journalistic background, all the interviews are about the product,
you know, what is the new release, and so that's
a big part of the conversation, and then there's other things.
And I feel like the way you approach it, you
really just get to the heart of the person who
they are and what they're going through with their journey
has been and that is connected to whatever thing that

(24:00):
they're working on. But I do feel like it is
a deeper connection. And I've in doing some of the
research for some of the guests, like I, you know,
have some understanding of them, and so there's some things
in my head. I go like, Okay, maybe this is
where they're gonna go and you don't go there, and
I think that that's good. And I could see that
they appreciate it. You know that you're not going for

(24:22):
the obvious, low hanging fruit, you know. And I feel
like in many of the instances, there's one and I'll
mention it when we played the video from that person.
One instance where that happened in particular, and I could
see the impact that was happening on the person that
you're interviewing. I could see that they were really appreciative
of how you approached their story, and I thought like, whoa,

(24:44):
you know, you really have a gift.

Speaker 10 (24:45):
Wow, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (24:47):
It happens to almost all of them, I think. So.

Speaker 9 (24:49):
Yeah, So now Xavier don't hate me already said I said,
please just play them in random. But based on something
that was said earlier, I think it would be appropriate
if the first video you played was from Angeley. Okay, yeah, yeah,
my name is Ainsley Borrows.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm a poet and I'm a writer and I met
Lisan about fifteen years ago. And I don't know what
it is, but from the moment we met, like we connected.
I don't think we ever talked about it, but like
we just had this kind of weird connection. And when
I was on the podcast, that kind of showed up
for me. It's almost like she asked questions that totally

(25:28):
like exposes me and makes me vulnerable in ways that
I don't really have that connection with other people. And
I really appreciate that. I also when she saw the podcast,
she asked me if I could be her first person
on the podcast, and I felt super scene, Like it's
just like I feel like Lisan sees me and the

(25:52):
conversations have been great and lovely for Lisa.

Speaker 11 (25:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Wow. So Ainsley Burrows is an artist and he now
practices out of Baltimore. And what's so incredible about Ainsley
is a couple of things. One is that he has

(26:21):
this way of building community. He and Laurie, his wife,
left New York, moved down to Baltimore, and as an
artist and he they got together and curated this incredible
arts community down in Baltimore. They are also the founders

(26:45):
of the Sweet Spot Nation and it's a burlesque show
that travels all over the country. It's really I have
to let you know. And it's in La. When is
it going to be in La? Ainsley? But Ainsley is
also a virgo and we just have this incredible connection
and I wow, that really touched me. That really touched me.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
And I'm so happy that we had him as the
first guest on the podcast. And I know he was
recently on the on the podcast. Yeah, so I thought
that was really really cool and I love what he
had to say.

Speaker 10 (27:14):
You're trying to make me cry.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
Hey, we're just getting started. Okay, Okay.

Speaker 8 (27:32):
My name is Lanny Smith and I'm the founder of
Actively Black. Wanting to congratulate Li Sanboskia on your one
hundredth episode of the Shaping Freedom podcast. What I enjoyed
the most about my episode with you was the safe
space that you created for me to be authentic and
truthful and the way that we were able to connect
over our shared passion for uplifting our people. So again,

(27:53):
congratulations and wishing you many more.

Speaker 10 (27:56):
Lanny, thank you for that. I you know so Lanny's
as a founder as he just said of Actively Black,
and he is like the hardest working guy in the
performance where industry sector. I don't know what you call it.
And what I really love about the conversation that he
and I had was his willingness to share openly in

(28:23):
a way that I know felt very intimate to the
folks that were listening. It certainly did to me, because
sometimes people try to kind of curate the conversation in
a way that gets you to perceive them in a
certain way, or that's the attempt, and with him, it
was just like sitting down and having a raw conversation

(28:44):
with a cousin. So and I love the work that
he's doing with Actively Black. And actually the newest collection
that they have I'm waiting for mine is and I
hope I get the name of it right. I won't
even try. They're doing. What they've decided to do is
to get their cotton. So what they're doing is every

(29:06):
single part of this line is made by black companies,
and so even they even went so far and Actively
Black even went so far as to go to black
cotton farmers to get the cotton to make this particular line.

(29:26):
And he's doing this work as a way of really
helping to support black people in the black community and
to show them what's possible for them. And so his
story and the work he's doing with I know, with
his lady and his mom, Brittany, I think, is this
lady's name and the work that they're doing together, and

(29:48):
how hard they're working to really push out not just
a product that you can buy, but also the idea
that you can you know, And as he says and
as tagline is, there is greatness in our DNA. And
so so proud and so happy for them, And that
was a sweet I appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, And I have a story about him. I like
to share Lesan. You know, he's one of the people
that was on the list that I got from Lesan.
We have a DM thing going on. She'll say like, Hey,
I want to talk to this person whatever. But she
had been talking about Lanny for a while, like I
really want to connect with him, I really want to
get him on the podcast. And so when I reached
out to him, I emailed him at like six o'clock

(30:32):
And normally my phone is always next to me, and
so maybe by seven o'clock my wife's like someone's called
you a couple of times, you know, and I checked it,
you know, and I saw that. I was like, oh,
crab Lanny the Lanny Smith like call, you know, calling
me like so quickly. And when I called me said,
I'm just sitting here like I can't be like, is
this real? You know that Lesan has reached out to

(30:54):
me because I've been trying to figure out how to
get in contact with her, and I had gone to
the exhibit, know last year, and I just really I
just really wanted to connect with her, and like now
she's reaching out to me, and you know, until we
ended up talking. It was like nine o'clock at night
that we were finally having this conversation. But I thought
that was so so cool, you know, Yeah, that was
really nice.

Speaker 10 (31:14):
Yeah, it was very serendipitous because it was the timing
of it. It was pretty incredible. And for me, like
I'll just scroll and if I if something, yeah, and
then sometimes people just kind of the energy of what
they're doing will just kind of pop up for me,
and half the time I don't think about what they're
doing or what they're up to. It's just like, Billy,

(31:35):
what about this person, like I like this person's story,
and so I did not. Likewise, I wasn't sure that
he would respond, and the fact that he was so excited,
and I think he was like, give me, you know,
can I have her number? I want to talk to
her and all that. So it was a great great
he's an la. Yeah, they're they're here. And I love
the fact that he's like, Okay, this is all going on.
I'm going to find black cotton farmers and I am

(31:58):
going to produce this and I'm going to produce it
to take the negative energy away from the perception of
the perspective on cotton for the black community. I think
that's like a beautiful, beautiful thing. And every single one
of the products that he rolls out has a story

(32:20):
to it, and you know, I love you know, I
love stories. So yeah, they even have swim suits. I
ordered one. We'll see. Okay.

Speaker 9 (32:26):
Yeah, if you guys don't know the Summer Landi's story,
watch the podcast episode and just do a Google search.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
That's right, that's right. Make sure that you watch both
of Ainslie Burrows's episodes. They're like six years apart, so
incredible for you to see what's happened there, and make
sure to watch Lanni's all right, what are we doing now?

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Hey see Lane Swan, founder of the Swan School of Protocol.
What I enjoyed most about being on lussan Basia Shaping
Feedo and podcast is that it was absolutely clear to
me that Lusan came to do this conversation prepared but
prepared in the sense to where she had a framework
of what we want to talk about. But more importantly

(33:09):
than that, she listened to what I had to say
and ask questions and dug deep based upon what was
shared instead of just really coming and being prepared and
spouting off all these questions. It was really a conversation
And what was so meaningful to me is that she
asked questions that really made me think and take a
deep dive and really come through with some things that

(33:33):
maybe I hadn't thought about for myself yet as well.
And so that was really great because I loved with
some enlightenment, which was very very good. So I went
to say congratulations to you, Leisan on such a wonderful job.
Keep doing what you are doing. You are walking in
your purpose and I am so glad to be able
to witness it. Congratulations again, Oh Elaine, thank you wow.

Speaker 11 (34:00):
I said before we started playing these, like every one
of these guests gets something out of it. You know,
they've all said that basically.

Speaker 10 (34:07):
So Elaine Swan. I met her when I first bought
her a Hub Carl's bed and she was on some
kind of a survivor survive on an island kind of
show and people were like, you're gonna love Elaine, but
I hadn't seen her, and then we met. I don't
even remember the show, but she's on some survivor thing.
And I have watched Elaine build the Swan School of

(34:31):
Protocol over the years, over the eight almost nine years
that I've known her, and We've grown to be tremendous friend.
She's a Herr Hub Carlsbad member, and she just wrote
a book on etiquette that is the Emily Post Book
on Etiquette for This Century. And she's just this incredible
human being and I really enjoyed talking with her.

Speaker 11 (34:51):
Also, Yeah, when are you reading your book?

Speaker 10 (34:54):
I'm working on it.

Speaker 9 (34:55):
Man.

Speaker 10 (34:59):
You know I did a story telling did you know that?

Speaker 11 (35:01):
Well? I know you you told me you were going
to do one, but I don't. I hadn't talked to
you since you've.

Speaker 10 (35:07):
I would say I performed it, but that's not completely true.
I recited it.

Speaker 11 (35:12):
Was it a I'm losing the name.

Speaker 10 (35:15):
Of the It was Vampa.

Speaker 11 (35:18):
I'm not familiar.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
Yeah, so Vamp. It wasn't Moth you're thinking. No, it
was Vamp. And it was down in San Diego, produced
by a group called us So Say So Say we All,
and it took place at the Whistle Stop down in
San Diego. Did not know it was a bar. So Jessica, Jessica,
my daughter, Tyrone, my cousin, nephew, and Emma and I

(35:39):
went down and we get down there and they said
that she couldn't come in, but Emma being Emma, a
few minutes later, they dragged a cocktail take a high
top over so that she could sit in on the
outside and watch it through the window. So she watched

(36:01):
it through the window, and everyone kind of took turns
coming in and out to hang out with her. And
it was a story that started off being about a
photo shoot, a video shoot that I had recently that
I completely froze during. It was just a weird thing,
and that was where the story started, and for some

(36:22):
reason it morphed into a story about my dad and
his passing and kind of my very first sharing of
the experience of my father publicly, and so.

Speaker 11 (36:36):
How did you feel?

Speaker 10 (36:38):
Well, The first time I read it was to my
performance coach, and I boohooed and bald the whole way
through it, and I was like, I don't even know
if I can fucking do this. But by the time
I performed it times, I had done it a few times.
I kind of worked it through what came up into
the story, and so I'm really happy with the story.
I'm going to continue to tweak it and play with

(37:01):
it a little bit, but now what I want to
work on is the performance of it. And so I
actually read it, but it was great. It was a
great experience. I had a lot of fun doing it.
I'm going to do more of that and that will
help me with the.

Speaker 11 (37:15):
Book for sure.

Speaker 10 (37:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
Yeah, just getting those stories and like the way you
need to tell them to get to evoke the right emotion.

Speaker 10 (37:23):
Or it was a good story because we just heard Elaine.
Do you know why you're not supposed to fist a
champagne because it warms it up, Because it warms up.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
Something no.

Speaker 10 (37:39):
No. When you have a glass of anything that has
a stem, the reason is that you don't want to
warm it up with your body heat. It's like the
coffee mug, like you could do that if you were
being a smart acre about it. If you want hot champaign,

(38:01):
that's already a little warm before. And that's why when
you have red wine, it's okay to actually have it
in a glass that doesn't have a stem, because red
wine can be a little bit.

Speaker 11 (38:10):
Those are my favorite type of.

Speaker 10 (38:12):
Blasses mine too. I trick everything out of stem less.
But I'm just saying it's cuse e Lane, it was
the Queen of etiquette. I forget I'd throw a little
etiquette thing out.

Speaker 11 (38:23):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
Yeah, Well, an Exavier, can I make another request? Since
we just talked about storytelling, can you please play the
video from Phil Brand.

Speaker 10 (38:32):
Who's gonna coach me storytelling?

Speaker 15 (38:37):
Hey? What's up? A little Birdie told me it was
your one hundredth episodes of Shape and Freedom. I wanted
to say congratulations. I'm looking rough. Forgive me. I'm in
the middle of editing my memoir, and what I'm thinking
about is how important it is for everyone to get
to tell their stories. And what your podcast does is
allow people to do that, allow us to listen to

(38:58):
those stories, and it brings us close together. So thank
you for doing that work. I can't wait to see
what you do with the next hundred episodes and beyond.
And thank you for supporting me my storytelling and the
story Fest and everything that we have done since you've
come into my life. So congratulations, and party up and

(39:19):
get ready for the work because there's more to come.
All right, take care, good bye.

Speaker 10 (39:26):
I really enjoyed my conversation with Phil Branch and I
also enjoyed the time that we spent in Baltimore during
the Baltimore story Fest that people together. It was so
much fun. It was such an incredible community of storytellers
and those who want to listen to great stories. And

(39:48):
what I really appreciate about him, and I could say
this about every single person that we've heard from and
that we're going to hear from and all of us,
is that he's such a human being, you know, And
he just came and it was so I didn't I
felt like I was stepping into the living room of
a situation versus stepping into it just felt very warm

(40:12):
and welcoming and fun and light, even though we were,
you know, in the middle of pulling this thing together.

Speaker 11 (40:20):
And so did you tell a story there?

Speaker 10 (40:22):
I did not. I did not. But what did happen
is I learned about storytelling. I'm very new to even
knowing what storytelling, anything about the craft of storytelling. And
I and this is how things happen. You think about
something and then before you know it, it's popping up everywhere.
And so I had been thinking about it. I saw

(40:45):
a moth thing and I was like, what the heck
is this interesting? You went to no, I'm sorry, I
saw it online, and so I thought, I really want
to know what this is? What is this? And then
not too long after, I don't know how we wound
up with Phil. I think you mentioned Phil to me or.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
His I'm good friends with his speaking agency representative, Evett Ferguson.
Oh that's right, yeah, and so she actually several of
her clients, you know, have been on the on the podcast.

Speaker 10 (41:18):
But that's how yeah, And so I and it wasn't
until I started to prepare for the episode then I
realized that he was actually a storyteller, and so I
got super excited about having the conversation with him. And
so when I heard about the opportunity to support this
storytelling community through this story fest, I jumped at it

(41:41):
and flew over there and I got to open the night,
you know, each one of the each one of the evenings.
It was four days and it was a lot of fun.
My grandson was there. And and then ran into a
Antoine Garrett who used to go We used to go
to the same church. He was an assistant pastor at
a church I went to in New Jersey and I

(42:02):
hadn't seen him in years. And then when I went
to post about the story fest, I noticed that Antwine
was also on the bill for this.

Speaker 11 (42:13):
So and so, this man Phil Branch has heard your story.

Speaker 10 (42:18):
He has not heard my story. No, no, he didn't.
And so he actually is going to help me with
my performance and delivery. And so I haven't sent it
to him yet, but I'm going to.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
And he's an Emmy Award winning that's right, producer, and
so like this is completely his lane. Yes, So I
can't wait for you guys to get together.

Speaker 10 (42:40):
And I know, I know there's a lot to learn.
There's a lot to learn from him, and he's working
on his memoir, so I'm excited about.

Speaker 9 (42:47):
And yeah, his stories are hilarious and so yeah you
have to look.

Speaker 10 (42:53):
Yeah, I did see he did a film, a short
film that I saw and I I don't want to
butcher the name of it. Finding Shanika, I think is
the name of it. And uh yeah, incredibly talented person,
you know. And I love that he has I Love
you on the wall on the Yeah. Yeah, okay, we're

(43:18):
getting closed.

Speaker 9 (43:19):
Okay. So that's the perfect segue for our next clip
from Ebene Almond.

Speaker 10 (43:24):
I didn't know that we had one from eba.

Speaker 12 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
Yeah, so eb Almond, let's look at the video that
she sent Lisan and.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
As it's coming up, Ebene has a new podcast that
is coming out this summer.

Speaker 9 (43:36):
And she's gonna yeah, she's gonna mention it's okay, all right,
let's do it.

Speaker 16 (43:41):
Hi everyone, My name is Ebene from Pretty Private with ebone.

Speaker 10 (43:45):
And one of the.

Speaker 16 (43:46):
Things that I absolutely enjoy about my time with lisaan
Boski on Shape and Freedom podcast is we'll start talking
about something like really deep, right and the next thing,
you know, we'll talk keen about something completely different. And
that is one thing that I wholeheartedly enjoy about spending
time with her.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
You just never know what you're gonna get with our conversations.

Speaker 11 (44:09):
You do do a lot of tangents.

Speaker 10 (44:11):
I don't know how to take that, Ryan, and it's
true the way my mind works. And what I loved
about my conversations with Ebina is just how very similar
to the conversation I just had with Carmela. It felt
like I was talking to like shitty chatting with someone

(44:34):
that I've known forever. And I could see myself in Ebina,
and I know that she saw herself and me, and
I had been on her podcast first, the Professional Homegirls
podcast before she started this new podcast that she has
going that I'm so excited. Congratulations Ebina. But what I

(44:56):
loved about the conversation was that she asks great questions,
and she was very prepared and also really asked the
questions that brought out of me.

Speaker 11 (45:09):
She's just a very curious person, right, incredibly, so like
that's why the good questions I think come from Yeah,
because she's just genuinely curious.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
She was genuinely interesting.

Speaker 9 (45:19):
So transparent, like she's willing to say where people are thinking.
And I want to say because when you guys got
into that whole conversation about dating and the guy who
had the medicine bottles behind it, and she said she
she had me falling off. She said, what happened to Shane.

Speaker 11 (45:36):
Yes, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 9 (45:39):
Okay, Well, you know, guys of a certain age do
take medicine.

Speaker 11 (45:43):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (45:44):
But then I don't want to see that. I don't
even know you. But the thing also about my conversation
with her, I just want to just for a sec
is was I don't get asked a lot about kind
of the nuance behind and I didn't see this clip.
I don't know how this happened, but I didn't see

(46:05):
the clip that from her conversation until months after we
had our interview where she asked me some questions about
my father and when she was I was just so
excited to have the opportunity to share some aspects of
my experience within my family having to do with my father,

(46:28):
Gerard Bosquia, and my mother Matilda Boskia, and their experience
at having lost their son. And not a lot of
folks have the ability to ask as intimate a question
as the ones that she asked in a way.

Speaker 9 (46:44):
That part right, how she right, how she thought, the
thought behind, how she composed and presented that question.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
And I felt so safe and so willing to share
that with her in a way beyond kind of the
Kurt kind of responsible. And I've had people ask me
questions or I'm like, you were talking about my brother,
like someone who passed away, my father, Like why are
you asking these questions in this way? And so she's
an amazing, amazing I.

Speaker 11 (47:14):
Wonder what is it about her that allowed that like space,
you know, or that comfortability.

Speaker 9 (47:19):
She's human, Well she had when I was watching her interview,
she put a lot of time and energy into preparing
you know, she didn't just do a Google search or whatever,
like she was very thorough and in the same way
I said about you, like just having the ability to
create a safe, comfortable place, she clearly did that, because

(47:41):
as I was listening, I thought, like, whoa like you
could You've really felt that she respected you and appreciated
you and didn't take it for granted that she was
talking to you. So I really feel like that was important,
you know, creating a connection with you.

Speaker 10 (47:56):
Yeah, I think Ryan, I'm thinking about the question you
asked and I think that what made it different was
that she cared.

Speaker 11 (48:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (48:08):
It wasn't like I sometimes have had people ask a question,
and it's more like an inquiring minds want to know
she I felt like she was asking Julison.

Speaker 11 (48:20):
Yeah she didn't.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
Have Yeah, she was asking Lesson a question about her
life and about her father and about her brother. And
because she asked me with curiosity and genuine respect and love,
I felt comfortable.

Speaker 11 (48:37):
It was a great interview.

Speaker 10 (48:38):
I remember, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it.
Thank you so much for that. And we're going to
hang out when I get to Jersey. We're going to
hang out for show. We live a few towns away
from each other. Nice, all right, what else? What else
we got?

Speaker 12 (48:49):
Bill?

Speaker 9 (48:50):
Okay, well, I know Zabra and I were playing a
little tennis here.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
Yeah, go ahead, Xavier.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
I like, we just do your thing.

Speaker 14 (49:00):
Hello. My name is Robert Young. And when I think
about the Sanbascias Shaping Freedom podcast and I try to
pick a singular moment that really speaks to its impact,
it's almost impossible. Having been on the podcast myself and

(49:27):
been in an exchange with her remarkable energy, it's been
incredible to see that exchange extract inspirational, motivational, but tangible

(49:48):
dialogue between herself and all of her guests. So if
I was going to pick one thing that is remarkable,
I would have to pick her. She is a very
special human being. Her ability to give of herself yet

(50:13):
make room for others to express their why, their passions,
their failures, their desires Makeshaping Freedom one of the most
remarkable landing places for those looking to expand their very

(50:41):
being through language, through conversation, through connection. So here's to
you the song to your one hundred episode and ten
and twenty times that to come. We are so grateful
for your presence, so grateful for your gift, so grateful

(51:05):
for your agency and all that you do. May you
be repaid a million times over from the universe from
the most God for your downloads. You are appreciated. Happy

(51:27):
one that I could.

Speaker 10 (51:29):
Robert, Oh wow, okay, Robert, thank you so very much
for that. Robert Young is a storyteller. He's also an
artist and has grown to be a friend, a brother, friend,

(51:49):
and just an amazing, amazing human being. Also, Virgo, by
the way, I'm going to call out all the virgos
that I know, I know right, And though I've been
misty a few times today, I have, I have been
so misty and.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
Since yeah yeah, yeah, he almost got me too. I mean,
if you ever, if you are ever running for office
and you need a campaign manager person to write that,
like you know, he's hired, right, that's right. But he
did kind of shake me out of a little bit
because it's last words where you are appreciated. And then

(52:27):
it just took me to Tupac's dear mama and.

Speaker 11 (52:31):
Then I just said, because.

Speaker 10 (52:34):
Music is everything, music is everything. Wow.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
That was so that was guys.

Speaker 10 (52:41):
This feels so good. This steels so wonderful idea you
had just we right, This feels so good because I, again,
I just do the things and it feels good to
just stop for a moment to drink a little bit
of champagne and appreciate what you've created, appreciate what I've created,

(53:01):
and to do it here in this beautiful space, this
beautiful incubator for people having the opportunity to just storytell
and talk and share conversation with other human beings because
we need that. We need so much more of that
in a world where people are just kind of flinging

(53:23):
words back and forth to each other online or in
a world that is so politically and culturally divided and
confused and angry right now, it just feels really good
to have to be able to participate in space where

(53:44):
human beings can just like touch and be curious with
each other and ask the questions and dive in to
ourselves and to other people. I just's I feel so honored.
I truly, truly do.

Speaker 9 (53:58):
And I also love that this space. There are a
lot of spaces for a lot of drama, clutter, gossip,
and all things toxic and negative that sometimes makes you
feel like, well, do people even want substance? Yeah, and
so this is very affirming that, like people really like
they need this and they appreciate it. It's making a difference.

(54:18):
So yeah, kudos to you.

Speaker 11 (54:19):
Yeah, kudos to all of us.

Speaker 10 (54:22):
But I'll take it. I will take it, all right.
And I'm surprised we got so many of these. I know,
let's go wants go.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
Hi.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
My name is Lisa Alonda George of Connecting Me to
Public Relations Core. One of my favorite episodes of Lisan
Boskie's Shaping Freedom podcast is the one with Kofi Cyrabel
and Josiah David Jones. I believe it's called How Brotherhood Heals.
It reminded me and encouraged me to continue to be

(55:06):
selective when choosing individuals for my tribe, to ensure that
I have a supportive, safe space, and reciprocal space, because
that is very helpful in making sure that I continue
on with my impact. So if you haven't listened to
it yet, please do because it's a great episode and
as usual, you did a great job. Lisan Happy one

(55:29):
hundred episode.

Speaker 10 (55:33):
Lisa George has been the gift that has been on
the periphery of my life that just keeps on giving.
I don't know, a year and a half, maybe you
know she attended some lounging with Lisans. I participated in
her installation about self care in DC in Maryland. I'm sorry.

(55:57):
Lisa also brought yes to us. And what I really
appreciate about what she just said is that she pointed
out the importance of really choosing your tribe. And there's
so many people. We were talking about social media before
and just about the world in general, and there are

(56:19):
so many folks venting and about their world. And what
I love about the tribe that I attract and the
tribe that is attracted to me is that we have
all been very selective about who we're around, where we
put our time and energy, and that is what we

(56:39):
need to do. It just makes for so much more
of a quality life experience.

Speaker 11 (56:44):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Like the people that you
choose to be your friends are like, oh yeah, so important.

Speaker 10 (56:51):
And I believe in expanding that to people you work with.
I mean, I've made a very conscious decision that I
am not going to spend my time around anyone that
I don't feel good being around.

Speaker 11 (57:04):
I'm just not.

Speaker 10 (57:06):
I'm just not yea, because it's so heavy and so
expensive and so expensive.

Speaker 9 (57:12):
And so briefly. I love Lisa George. She's been when
I barked on my publicity, you know, this phase of
my career that she's been a mentor to me. So
I call and talk to her, No, she would. She
was taking an initiative to call and check on me
to see how I was doing. I love that and
always making herself available And that's rare, right that someone

(57:34):
who's taking that initiative someone that you don't already have
a tight relationship with and we've become close. And when I,
you know, started working with you, I was telling her
about you, and you know, thought it would be a
good fit. So this is I'm really happy how this
all is evolved.

Speaker 10 (57:50):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to meeting her in person at
some point.

Speaker 11 (57:54):
All right, should we do another one? And then are you.

Speaker 10 (57:58):
Trying to cut off? Yea a minute now? All right?
You want to serve this up or we're just going
to do it.

Speaker 11 (58:09):
I don't serve it.

Speaker 9 (58:10):
I don't know what to say, but I don't know. Okay.

Speaker 10 (58:13):
John Moody, my friend John Moody, he is a comedian
here in LA also from Buffalo, New York. But he's
been out here for a long time. And let's see
what he had to say.

Speaker 11 (58:22):
Let's do it.

Speaker 14 (58:24):
Hey, Hey, what's going on, y'all. My name is John Moody.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
I'm here in Los Angeles, California. Then listen to the
podcast for probably more than a year, definitely more than
a year. Uh many favorite episodes, but one that really
impacted me was Angel ellerby building your Legacy, Because at
first I'm listening to it and I'm like, Okay, what
has this got to do with me?

Speaker 14 (58:44):
This dude.

Speaker 7 (58:44):
This work with Michael Jackson, a lot of really famous people,
and early on they're like, hey, you don't have to
be these people. You just applied these lessons to who
you are. And I just thought it was a really,
really dope episode. I really enjoyed that one. Like I said,
I really enjoyed show. And I gotta admit this is
a little embarrassing, but sometimes I might put off a

(59:04):
particular episode because I know it really applies to me,
like the latest one while your armor is keeping you
from real connections, and I'm like, man, I'm not ready
to do his work right now, but I'm gonna listen
to it and I'm gonna get the message and work
on that. But just really enjoying the podcast. Great job

(59:25):
coming up on one hundred episodes. Congratulations, keep it up.
You all are doing a great service. And by you all,
I know Lissan's got people working with her and so
just congratulations to everybody and really dope stuff. Looking forward
to more.

Speaker 10 (59:43):
That was beautiful. That was beautiful. John is a friend
of mine and we don't always talk like we'll go
through periods or we'll talk like you know a lot
and then like nothing, but he listens to my podcast,
and he you know, he'll go out of his way
to just like shoot me a one liner, like, great
episode about such and such, and so I'm really thank

(01:00:06):
you so much.

Speaker 11 (01:00:07):
I like that some of them, he knows are going
to be too much. That's next week, maybe.

Speaker 10 (01:00:13):
John, you listen to the episodes, allow the episodes to
permeate your soul so that you can get.

Speaker 11 (01:00:20):
I get it, the medicine, I get it.

Speaker 9 (01:00:23):
There are so many times where I've watched the episode
and I had agg on my face because I had
to go to my wife and say, guess what they
talked about the same things you've been saying a little
uncomfortable listening.

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
You gotta watch the YouTube because you got to see
Billy's face as he's talking about this. I love that.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
I related to him, you know, to what John said
about Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:00:48):
You know what.

Speaker 10 (01:00:48):
I love those. Sometimes you hear things and it's not
the right time, but it's in there, but it's in
there right, and so when you are ready, it all
comes up and it all clicks together like a beautiful,
beautiful puzzle. And so I think sometimes just hearing something
that your soul knows it needs to hear is.

Speaker 9 (01:01:10):
Good enough in the moment, I agree.

Speaker 11 (01:01:13):
You know, you'll know, you'll know.

Speaker 10 (01:01:17):
When and it'll come up for one day you'll be
speaking to your wife and you'll like whip it out
and you'll be like, hey, boundaries are important or whatever
the thing is, So thank you for that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:29):
I several times, Yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (01:01:32):
Think the beautiful thing is that I what I have
come to know is that not everything has to happen
right now. And that applies to everything that applies to
our evolution, through our our evolving through different barriers and
things that are happening in our lives. It applies to relationships,
It applies to the way that we react to things.

(01:01:53):
Sometimes it doesn't all have to happen right right right
right now. Sometimes you can just like sit on it
for a bit. So yeah, all right. So the next
persona is Monica Wisdom. Let's hear what Monica has to say.
Monica I appreciate so much as another cheerleader. She comes
to lounging with Lisan all the time and just this beautiful,

(01:02:14):
beautiful soul.

Speaker 9 (01:02:15):
I was on her, yeah, her podcast, because she contacted
you to have you on her podcast. That one really well,
and you said, I want her on to her.

Speaker 10 (01:02:25):
Yeah, so we had great, great conversation. All right, let's
do it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Hello, and this is Monica Wisdom with the Monica Wisdom Podcast.
What I loved most about being on the Shaping Freedom
Podcast with the san was the entire experience, from her
team to the day of recording all of the elements
work together. I felt safe, I felt nurtured. And Lissan
was on my podcast probably a month prior, so we

(01:02:53):
had already had a connection, and we connected on so
many different areas from our deep love of Brooklyn, my
favorite city of course, art, as well as simple things
that nobody ever thinks about, like both of us were
raised by our dad. So we connected in so many
different areas that I felt incredibly comfortable to have conversations

(01:03:16):
with her that I had never had with anybody else
because I trusted that she would take care of my story.
And so the experience still lives with me and it
was a true joy to be on the Shaping Freedom Podcast.

Speaker 10 (01:03:31):
Monica, You're not gonna.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
Make me cry a day.

Speaker 10 (01:03:35):
You might make me cry a day, but Monica Wisdom
has an amazing energy about her. She's just so present,
She's so present in the moment of everything, every way
that I've encountered her, and it was delightful to be
on her podcast, and it was wonderful to have the
conversation that we had right here at the straw Hot

(01:03:57):
Media Control Center. Beautiful words. Thank you, Monica, I'm not
going to cry again.

Speaker 11 (01:04:07):
You're okay, Let's bring it in, Let's do the cat's
the okay, let's doky your favorite kind of cake.

Speaker 9 (01:04:18):
So a little birdie told us that if we could
find a German chocolate cake, that would make the celebration
a little more special. So here's what I.

Speaker 10 (01:04:30):
Love about my daughter. The little birdie that you're referring to.
Jessica is going to make sure that things are taken
care of, and she every detail she remembers. I have
not heard German chocolate cake in such a long time,
probably years. It's one of my favorite cakes. What's interesting, though,

(01:04:53):
is that after Jessica was born, I went on this
this baking thing, and I've never even told you I
was bacon, and not the kind of bacon they talk
about in l A. I mean like cake, right, I said,
I'm not you, I said in l A baking anyway,

(01:05:19):
Xavier again, say hello, Hello. Exavier is in the control
room making sure this goes well. Oh wow, that's so beautiful.
That is so beautiful.

Speaker 9 (01:05:31):
All the cameras, there's just a little message come on.

Speaker 10 (01:05:41):
This is and the fact that you all are willing
to spend this many hours with me today to celebrate
this means so much because I know you have you
know a lot, there's a lot of podcast energy happening
in here, but this feels so special. Thank you, Exavior.
Xavier is also the name of my grandson, my eighteen
year old grandson I met to college in September. Is driving.

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
Have some cake too? Right?

Speaker 10 (01:06:08):
You must have one cake on the hundredth the day
of the hundredth episode. Who to thunk it? When we
were glaring at each other, Ryan, I know so many
years ago that we develop a friendship. I know all
the other things. While we're cutting, I want a small piece.

(01:06:30):
No small is a little bit more to the right. Right,
there s two puffs. I went just two puffs, three puffs,
three puffs. The other things that have happened since the
podcast started. You got married, I sure did?

Speaker 11 (01:06:47):
You attended?

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
I attended. I have a footage that maybe I'll slide
into the edit. I had a boot on my foot.
I did because I had achilles tendonitis, and I was like,
there's no way that I'm not going to this wedding.
I'm doing it. I danced on my boot. I had

(01:07:11):
to put it up after, but I danced on my boot.
I have incredible video of Ryan dancing his ass off
having such a good time. Yeah, it was fun. It
was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was amazing. A
great wedding. And Megs. We didn't mention Megs as the

(01:07:31):
part of the team. And a beautiful, beautiful songstress.

Speaker 11 (01:07:37):
Oh gosh, I know she's working on her own record, right.

Speaker 10 (01:07:40):
What is her what is her thing?

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
Maggie Glass is like on Spotify's Ever saying, yeah, Magie.

Speaker 10 (01:07:47):
Maggie Glass, m A g g I E m A g.

Speaker 11 (01:07:50):
G I E.

Speaker 10 (01:07:51):
Did you think about it?

Speaker 11 (01:07:52):
Well, I thought you were spelling glass and I was like.

Speaker 10 (01:07:57):
Glass g l A s S. Maggie Glass on Spotify.
She has one of those voices that is angelic. I
don't even know how else to describe it. It's so soulful.
For the rest of the Yes, So if you are
within earshot, if you come get your cake, if you're

(01:08:18):
within earshot. You gotta find Maggie on Spotify and you
can't comment on Spotify, but find her well, comment on
Spotify and be like, hey, Maggie, record some more stuff
because we want to hear you.

Speaker 11 (01:08:32):
She's doing it right now.

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
So you don't cheers cake, but no, but let's cheers
Cake and we'll do it while we listen to this beautiful,
gorgeous and Jessica, you're not gonna make me cry. Hi,
my name is Jessica Leisan's favorite daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
I just want to congratulate my mom on her one
hundredth episode of the Shaping Freedom with Lisambaski podcast.

Speaker 11 (01:08:59):
That was it? That was it? Short and sweet?

Speaker 10 (01:09:02):
Well, Joseph, as I said before, it was in Vegas
all weekend.

Speaker 11 (01:09:09):
Yeah, what was she doing in Vegas?

Speaker 10 (01:09:11):
I have no idea.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
Saw the Backstreet Boys. I know they're planning no herd.

Speaker 10 (01:09:15):
Joseph and Tyrone hung out in in Vegas all weekend.
They partied and so they partied. They had they had
that weekend that so many people really need to have.
It's when you get together with the people that you
grew up with and in their case, you know, Tyrone
has been Tyrone's like my third kid, and so these

(01:09:37):
three have really grown up together and are witnessing each
other through parenthood, through relationships and all that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:45):
That's the age difference between Joseph and Jessica.

Speaker 10 (01:09:48):
Eleven years, yeah, eleven years. And then Tyrone is close
to Joseph's age, and forgive me, I don't know, he's
like a year older or a year younger. Right, And
the three of them hung out all weekend and I
don't know what they talked about specifically, but each one
of them. I haven't spoken to Tyrone yet, but they
really had an opportunity to bond. And one of the

(01:10:11):
things that Joseph said to me, and he didn't give
me the details. Jessica always says that Joseph talks because
Joseph can't keep a secret. He cannot. They did a
surprise I know, they did a surprise birthday party that
Jessica completely like facilitated and made sure it happen for
me on my last birthday, which was a milestone. I

(01:10:32):
was sixty and yes in September. And Joseph, this is
how bad he is at keep it a secret. He
starts texting me stupid shit like hey, hope you're Okay,
I'm doing great. I'm like, what is wrong with him?
What are you doing? And so Jessica was so concerned

(01:10:55):
that he wouldn't be able to actually hold a secret.
He could not take it. The closer we got, the
more nervous he got, the more uncomfortable he felt because
he felt like he was lying right. So he was
just like, hey, Mom, I'm gonna see you in two weeks.
What is this dude talking about? So they got together,
and I brought that up because he did not, Jessica

(01:11:17):
share what you all talked about specifically. But one thing
that he did say was that he loved the weekend
because they got to the three of them share the
fact that they each had a story, and they got
to see each other through that lens of like, you're
my sibling or you're my cousin, and I know you

(01:11:40):
and we've been around each other, but you actually have
a story. And just because we've lived and grown up,
you know, just because we grew up together doesn't necessarily
mean that I know your story. You have to actually
tell it and you have to be willing to listen
to it. And so I love that for them. I
love that they got that and I love that they

(01:12:02):
were able to give each other space, the space to
be able to tell the story and also listen to
it and see each other not as like, I know you,
you're my little sister, I know you you're my older brother.
But no, as a woman, I need to do that.

Speaker 11 (01:12:18):
I need to have that with my sister ten years apart. Yeah,
and so it's like I don't feel like I have
that relationship. Yeah, I would like to.

Speaker 9 (01:12:27):
Yeah, I will say for my birthday last year, I'm
the oldest, and I thought like, I I want to
communicate more with my siblings. And I think I keep
seeing it on television, something bad happens to someone and
they go, well, you know, I talked to I get
that call every morning, and when I didn't get the call,
I knew something was wrong, you know. And I go, okay,

(01:12:49):
well that means I can't go weeks or a month
without talking to my siblings. So so we started texting.
We started a group texting. We started texting each other
every day, even if it's just high okay, you know.
And I said, like, let's this is so easy to
do that. And then if anyone ever has anything more
to add to that, we do, but it's okay if
you don't. Yeah, but and sometimes we do miss days.

(01:13:09):
But this has been the best stretch. Is my birthday
is in November, you know. The past eight months or whatever,
it's been great just being more communication and it has
created more opportunities for us to connect on deeper levels.
And yeah, just a high no pressure just and so yeah,
so I don't know, I don't know if that would
work for yours, but yeah, I mean, but it's easy enough.

(01:13:32):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:13:32):
I think, ye are you the older or the younger older?
I will say this, and this is I think one
of the reasons why I'm also like with this one
hundredth episode in which with the day that we're having today,
which is absolutely beautiful, I've also been thinking about the
fact that Jessica and Joseph have not always had this relationship. Yeah,

(01:13:54):
and for for a while it was like the older brother,
the younger sister, whatever the experienceiences, whatever the things are
that were happening. And I've been just really leaning into
the work that each one of that they've done individually
has led them to a place where they are able

(01:14:18):
to actually see each other as human beings, not as
you know the stories that we have in childhood, and
I think that's such a beautiful moment, this defining moment
for them and their relationship and today both of them
like he said that she's a younger sister, so she
can be a lot more like that, you know, But

(01:14:38):
she has also said, you know, I know that there
are we've had our patches, but I really see him right,
because they've given each other the ability to really not
look for sometimes we want that. I know when I
saw boys in the hood, I was like, I never
had my experience with someone it was like, hey, let

(01:15:00):
me talk you through life. It wasn't that, and I
felt like I was missing something. But I think sometimes
when it's different than what we imagine or what we
believe is the right thing, we can lose.

Speaker 11 (01:15:13):
Yeah, and not letting it just be your own thing.

Speaker 10 (01:15:15):
Just be your own thing the same way you would
with a friend. I think that's what it is. When
you take away like this is my sibling, this is
my father, this is my sister. It should be like this,
and when you're just like, well, who the fuck are you?
Like okay, and maybe I don't know who you are,
Maybe I don't know how to get there. But before
we get to that, let's start with saying hello every morning,

(01:15:39):
and let me ask you, like, what's your favorite color?

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:15:43):
Why why straw hot media? Why are you doing podcasts?
Why are you doing What is it about pr that
you enjoy and that you like or a career in journalism?
And I think sometimes if we're when we're willing to
be more inquisitive about an the human being, it opens
up the door for that person to actually start to

(01:16:03):
tell you who they are versus assuming that you know
just because they have the title.

Speaker 11 (01:16:08):
I mean that statement is true for this podcast, right, yes.

Speaker 10 (01:16:12):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, the.

Speaker 9 (01:16:15):
Last one Okay, And just briefly, Jessica is phenomenal to
work with. She is absolutely the glue. She's your right hand,
you know, and she can she's just so on top
of everything, you know, anything that you're connected to. You know,
like she's just a great person who could just helps
us navigate all the stuff, even things that you know

(01:16:35):
may not have immediately surfaced, like she's like, okay, what
about this And it's so effortless.

Speaker 10 (01:16:39):
Yeah, and she's so comfortable on her.

Speaker 9 (01:16:41):
Yeah, so I had to I have been calling her Jessica.
But I thought, you know, that's really not fitting because
you know, she's not with the drama, although it sounds
cute to say.

Speaker 10 (01:16:53):
And she loves it.

Speaker 11 (01:16:54):
She loves it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:55):
And what I love about Jessica's Jessica, just like Joseph,
who we're getting ready to hear from, Jessica is comfortable
in her skin.

Speaker 15 (01:17:01):
She give me shit.

Speaker 10 (01:17:02):
There were days where she's.

Speaker 11 (01:17:03):
Just like yep.

Speaker 10 (01:17:07):
So I love my children. They're amazing humans. Okay, we're
gonna hear from Joseph. Okay, let's do it. I want
to hear from Joseph. He's going to make me cry,
I know it.

Speaker 12 (01:17:16):
I am Raymond Joseph Bosca, and I am the son
of Lysan Bosca, who is the host of Shaping Freedom podcast,
and I personally want to congratulate you on your one
hundredth episode.

Speaker 14 (01:17:31):
Okay, so we can edit this, okay, and.

Speaker 10 (01:17:34):
Then we could go we're not editing.

Speaker 12 (01:17:37):
I love this podcast. I love where it started and
where it's at now. I love watching my mom grow
in ways that I've never seen as her son and
watch her become this figure that means a lot to
a lot of people. Also, an episode that connected with me.

(01:17:57):
I don't know the number, but I will tell you.
The name is the episode of My Mom and Elaine
swanp It's something about a conversation with twoe women that
are powerful that just resonates with the culture, the culture
of being us, the fans of this show many more.

Speaker 14 (01:18:15):
I love you and congratulations.

Speaker 11 (01:18:18):
Oh come on, jose.

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
Aw you know Joseph is and this is one of
the things that he and I talked about yesterday. Joseph
is that person who again I am eighteen years older
than Joseph, and so he has seen and witnessed my
life and when I first stepped into Shaping Freedom, and

(01:18:47):
it's great that he's the last one, because I think
this is a great way to end this one hundredth
the celebration for this hundredth episode for Shaping Freedom with
Lusanbascat podcast. When I first first decided that I wanted
to do a podcast and that I really wanted to
step into Shaping Freedom and the work that I've done
kind of on the outskirts but really wanted to own.

(01:19:11):
Joseph was that person and still is one of my
biggest cheerleaders. He was the person who would say, MA,
you gotta people need to hear you, like we hear you,
we know you, and you had do it. And he
does it in a way that is so encouraging and

(01:19:33):
so and Joseph was a big force. Both of my
kids like strong personalities, and he can like like the
best of them, but he does it in a way
that's so soft and so encouraging. Right, just like, come
out of there and do it. Come out of there
and do it. And after every episode he'll say, when

(01:19:56):
you said this or you said that, And as a
peer parent, because he's Xavier's dad, he will say, you know,
as a parent, I had to stand for a minute
because I really heard that. So before we get into
really wrapping this up, I do want to acknowledge my children,

(01:20:17):
Joseph and Jessica, and my grandch and Tyrone, sorry Tyrone,
and the loves, just the loves, the loves, the loves,
my heart and my grandchildren Emma Jessica's daughter, Exavier eighteen,
Joseph's son, and I am having such an incredible life experience.

(01:20:41):
I'm enjoying it so much. And not to get heavy,
I will say this, I am enjoying this ride as
much as I am because I'm learning and evolving along
the way because I'm getting the opportunity and the gift
of meeting incredible human beings who step in to say, hey,

(01:21:02):
ley Son, you can do this, Let's do this, let's
make this thing happen. And also because I have taken
the time to do the work. I'm smiling because I
am doing the work. And it's not always easy, and
it's not always the work that I want to do,
and I'm not always ready in the moment that the

(01:21:24):
opportunity presents itself, but I have raised my hand to
doing the work. I love this podcast, I love this project.
I love the opportunity to have this experience that we're
all having together, those of us on the team who
are in this room and those who are not. And
I also want to really really thank all of you

(01:21:45):
who are listening and who take the time to listen
and who DM me, text me, email me, try to
call me. I have the time, I don't answer to
tell to talk about their experience with it, and so
thank you for thank the two of you and Xavier

(01:22:07):
for you one last giving me an opportunity to really
celebrate this milestone. It's amazing. And then after this, we're
going to do a little quick toast. Yeah, we're going
to be done. And then after this the rest of
the videos that people are sent in a few more
those will play and if you're interested in hearing that,

(01:22:29):
go ahead. So anyway, thank you all, be your best selves,
do all the great, great, great great things. Take the step.
If you take the step, the path will be built
under your feet.

Speaker 9 (01:22:39):
Thank you, all right, And just again just thank you
to everybody who took the time to send lisign of
video to just be a part of this one hundred celebration.
You are a significant part of it, and just just
thank you for a celebrating just be so much to
all of us.

Speaker 10 (01:22:56):
For sure, yeah, but for sure, yes, right.

Speaker 11 (01:23:00):
What okay, let's do it.

Speaker 10 (01:23:04):
Cheers and to the one hundredth episode of theisan the
Shaping Freedom with the podcasts and too many many more.

Speaker 9 (01:23:13):
Cheer.

Speaker 10 (01:23:14):
Cheers, cheers, cheers.

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
I've had more champagne today than normal.

Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
Drink water, drink water, all right, love and peace y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I'm doctor amber L. Howllett Bayak of dorm and Management,
and what I enjoyed about being on the Shaping Freedom
podcast with was just that shared understanding of what it's
like to be black and female in white spaces. It
was such a connection that made me feel so warm
and welcome, and it helped ease the flow of understanding

(01:23:50):
and to not have to explain myself. It was just understood,
and it was a magical connection. It was a magical
feeling and it's by far one of my favorite podcast moments.
Thank you Lussan again. Congratulations on one hundredth episode of.

Speaker 13 (01:24:04):
The Shape You Freedom Podcast. Hi, Lacy Tizano. Here one
hundred episodes. Leissan. I know you are so excited and
so moved by all the conversations you have had on
the Shape and Freedom Podcast. I loved our conversation. I
was so honored to be a guest on the show.

(01:24:25):
It meant so much to me to really talk about
our mother daughter relationships in such a warm and authentic
and intimate way. I will never forget our conversation. I
am so proud of what you have built and what
you are doing, and I hope that every conversation warms
your heart. You have an immaculate team, and from the

(01:24:49):
moment I was engaged with you all to receiving my
Candlein gifts in the mail. I had an incredible experience
and I want to say thank you a million times. Congratulate.

Speaker 17 (01:25:00):
Hey, this is Kababi Baiyak originals. And the sign I
enjoyed being on the podcast, the Shape and Freedom podcast
is when you were warm, you were easy to talk to,
communication flowed well between us, and I just enjoyed having
a conversation with you. So again, there's a dope that
you reached one hundred and I look forward to you
reaching one hundred more episodes. So congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
My name is Intoe Garrett, and I just wanted to
congratulate eating. So one hundred episodes of the Shaping Freedom podcast.

Speaker 14 (01:25:31):
That's incredible work.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
Keep shining, girl, you are amazing and cheers to one
hundred more.

Speaker 10 (01:25:38):
Thank you for all you do for all of us. Congratulations,
Please celebrate yourself.

Speaker 13 (01:25:45):
Please congratulations gus to one hundred more.

Speaker 14 (01:25:50):
Cheers

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