August 15, 2025 • 65 mins
What happens when two industry veterans sit down for an unscripted, heart-to-heart conversation about business sustainability, faith, and life? This month's Sambassador podcast delivers exactly that as Shannon and Sam reflect on five years of podcasting while sharing hard-earned wisdom about diversification in challenging economic times.
Sam Byler pulls back the curtain on his business approach, revealing how he maintains multiple smaller income streams instead of relying on one primary source. "If I accidentally throw one egg and it breaks, I haven't lost everything," he explains. This practical philosophy proves especially relevant as many in the shed industry face uncertain markets. Sam offers actionable advice for haulers and dealers feeling the pressure – from expanding service offerings to reconsidering pricing structures that still maintain profitability.
The conversation takes a deeper turn as both men discuss the integration of faith into their business lives. Rather than compartmentalizing spirituality, they share how their relationship with God fundamentally shapes their decision-making, business ethics, and response to industry conflicts. Shannon's recent purchase of a 100-year-old church building as office space becomes a fascinating metaphor for honoring tradition while embracing new possibilities.
Perhaps most compelling is Sam's vulnerable insight about relationships: "The number one tool my wife has to make our marriage strong is that she lets me fail." This perspective on giving partners space to take risks and learn from mistakes offers profound implications for both personal and business relationships. Their authentic exchange demonstrates why the Shed Geek podcast has remained a trusted industry resource for half a decade.
Whether you're facing business challenges, navigating complex relationships, or seeking to integrate your values more fully into your work, this conversation offers both practical strategies and philosophical depth. As Sam's podcast transitions to a monthly format, Shannon and Sam remind us that sometimes the most valuable business lessons come from simply being human with one another. Subscribe now to ensure you don't miss future episodes of this industry-favorite conversation.
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INTRO (00:00):
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Shed Geek (01:34):
Okay, welcome back to another episode of the Shed
Geek podcast.
And this is like fun Fridaymonthly edition.
I don't know what you want tocall it, but we'll get into all
the conversation.
Sam, we do a podcast togetherbut, to simply understate it,
(01:59):
it's a conversation between acouple of buddies and a couple
of guys in the industry that wejust kind of love and that's
just kind of served as our homeand opportunity.
You know, whenever people say,wow, man, like I really got
something great out of thatpodcast, it always makes me
wonder did I orchestrate that?
(02:21):
And the truth is no, it's neverorchestrated.
It's always a conversation andyou just don't know what's going
to reach people.
And in certain conversationsand then and others, people are
like I was very boring.
You know I wasn't, it wasn'tcrazy about that episode or
whatever it is, and it's like Iget it.
And then somebody else saysit's the best one you ever had.
(02:42):
I'm, I'm fine, you ever had.
I was just telling you before wegot on the air.
We're five years in now and theonly thing I can say that's
different is it's more of a jobnow than it is a passion to be
in this for five years andmaking my living off of it.
Still very passionate about it.
Don't get me wrong, love thisindustry.
(03:03):
Still very passionate about it,don't get me wrong, love this
industry.
And.
But man, it is a nail bitersome days.
There's no doubt about that.
Where do you land after all ofthese years?
You know you're usuallyinterviewing people on Fun
Friday.
I'm interviewing you, I guess,today.
Sam Byler (03:22):
Yeah, we're flipping around this time.
Since you won't ever invite meon yours.
I just invited myself on.
Shed Geek (03:29):
Fair enough.
Sam Byler (03:31):
So, you know we used to say there's only two laws
that apply You're going to dieand you're going to pay taxes.
I don't know if you ever heardthat growing up.
I heard that as a kid.
You know the old timers arealways there.
There's only two things you gotto do in life You're going to
have to die and you're going tohave to pay your taxes.
I've lived long enough to findout there's some people don't
pay taxes.
(03:51):
We're all still pretty muchdying, so I've thrown those two
out.
I'm down to.
What I'm building on.
Here is what you said aboutwhen people listen to podcasts.
They get something out of itand you're like, ah, it just
happens.
You know it's all.
It builds on itself and I agree, I hear that a lot.
(04:13):
One of the greatest things aboutthis platform is to be able to
have conversations that end upgoing places you never thought
they would.
And you know you get the ahamoment out of it.
And you know you get the ahamoment out of it and I'm the two
things that I'm convinced oftoday is I never know what's
going to blow up on social media.
You know, stuff I think that Iwrite that's brilliant, goes
(04:37):
nowhere, and stuff that I writeout of pure frustration or just
purely from yelling out to Godtakes off like crazy.
And the other one is, when youdo a podcast, you have no idea
where it's going to end up going.
That's why I enjoy them so much.
(04:57):
I kind of hate that we'reactually one of the things we're
doing is talking about cuttingit back to monthly, and it's not
that I don't enjoy doing themand I don't want to do them.
It's just it's been hard tostay focused on getting enough
interviews to do it.
I got too much other stuffgoing on.
Absolutely completely love whatI do here on the podcast.
(05:19):
It's nothing to do with that,nothing to do with you.
You are literally one of myclosest friends in the industry.
So, to be able to you know, Itold you when you said something
about what do you think aboutdoing it once a month?
I'm like man me and you coulddo one once a month.
That's not an issue.
But I do want to reach.
You know, keep reaching out tothe guys that have supported me,
(05:41):
and they've got me here thisfar.
Shout out to all our sponsors.
I know you're redoing some ofthat, which is great, but and
listen, if people are like heylisten.
We want to hear him every week.
We'll do the interviews.
I'm still open to that.
It's not that we don't have thetime to do it.
We just want to make it towhere we're not frustrated with
it.
Shed Geek (06:10):
Well, and also, I think it's important to know
that that you know there is somestructure.
We try to set some, you know,especially for our advertisers.
We try to make sure thatthere's content there.
But we don't want to getcontent.
Uh, look, I'd rather give themtheir money back or, you know,
not do something than to notbring valuable content to the
table.
So, I don't want to ever feellike I'm doing it just to do it
to make some money.
I want to feel like we'rehaving good conversation that
benefits people's day, and ifsomeone's going to be willing to
(06:32):
take precious time out of theirday to listen to us, I hope
that we've got something worthyof saying.
And the way I've tried to alwaysdo that is to just be
transparent and to just bevulnerable to the audience and
just kind of be like.
You know, at one point I evenshared, you know, I think, with
(06:52):
Jonathan Ulrich well, it's anoversharing, it's not necessary
and it was like, yeah, I'm justtrying to show that.
You know, now we've gone to aplace where, you know, there was
a point where I was consideringgiving away advertising at no
(07:13):
cost.
Uh, uh, simply because I had tomake my living off the
advertising at one point.
But other things have uh beenbuilt that have kind of helped
sturdy up things for us,hopefully for long term, and I
thought, how can I get back?
And you and I both know freezewhat you pay for it.
(07:34):
So, like, I've decreased it bylike you know, I don't know 75%
of the cost, you know, just tobe like, hey, there's some
reasonable accountability herethat you, you know what I mean.
Hey, there's some reasonableaccountability here that you,
you know what I mean, you got toget us.
But I'm not going to focus onthat, because I really want the
podcast to be a space that thatthat helps people, and we've
(07:55):
talked about this.
I've talked about this withJared and eric on steel kings.
It's, like, you know, doesn'thave to be a steel like specific
podcast.
You know people that reach outall the time, different coaches,
uh, uh, people that are inprofessional, uh, digital worlds
(08:16):
.
You know, I almost got thepresident of uh go daddy on one
time and he backed out on me.
You know, I feel like thosewould be cool conversations.
You know, to be like, wow,these are.
We could get into the you knowin-depth part of different
things.
But we've had some cool peopleon and you've been part of that
process and it's five years.
(08:37):
It's kind of hard to believethat this has been.
You know, and I'm sitting heregoing well, do we have five more
in us?
You know, like there's so manypeople left to interview, and
the thing is, I like both themonologue style, and I like the
dialogue.
I enjoy interviews andsometimes I enjoy what is your
product?
Expose it to the industry, tellthem about it.
(09:00):
How can we help you get outthere?
And then sometimes I like the.
You know, this is my testimonyand let's let me tell you about
my journey through the industry.
I like it all.
I like it all.
I.
I just want to constantlyprovide content that people feel
like man, I tuned in today tolisten to something that was
(09:21):
encouraging, inspiring,educational, educational,
entertaining, and it blessed meand I'm better for listening to
it than I was for not listeningto it.
At the end of the day, you know, to think that a thousand
people would tune in everyepisode to listen to anything me
, or you have to say, is kind oflike humbling, oh, absolutely.
Sam Byler (09:44):
Yeah.
Shed Geek (09:45):
So I appreciate all the listeners, all the
advertisers, this, this industry, the ups and downs, ebbs and
flows, the goods, the bads, the,the all of it has taught me
something, you know being ableto embrace things difficulty,
difficult people, difficultcustomers, good customers,
people, difficult customers,good customers moments that I
(10:12):
believe will live rent-free inmy head from not just good
opportunities like money-makingactivities, but I'm talking
about things that people sharewith you, that are in private,
that are just.
You just know that is divine,divine appointment, without a
doubt.
You don't know how to explainit.
That's been kind of cool man.
(10:33):
That's been kind of coolbecause we're still in perfect
over here at Shed Geek.
I bet you, Sam, will say thesame about him.
Dylan Cord Wyatt, josh JustinTitus, all of us, we'd all.
Deanna, Cord, Wyatt, Josh,Justin, Titus, all of us, you
know, like we'd all Deanna, Troy, you know we'd all say the same
thing, like hey, we're stillwas.
(10:54):
Jeff Huxman told me he said youknow, I'm still learning how to
be human.
It's my first time, so I takethat for what it is.
So, let's talk about the meatof any kind of subject here.
Moving forward, well, let'stalk about Sam Byler.
What's Sam Byler doing?
How about that?
Sam Byler (11:14):
That's not a good subject.
Shed Geek (11:16):
No, no, nothing new on the horizon that I'm not
aware of.
Sam Byler (11:21):
So, it seems like I don't know why this has come up
again.
But actually the last two daysI've been hanging out with my
brother-in-laws, we've beenhaving our own little mini golf
trip outing thing, becausenormally we go when we're
camping and my wife's mom whichis mom to me because my mom's
(11:42):
been gone ever since we'remarried pretty much she's been
dealing ever since we're married, pretty much she's been dealing
with some health issues that wejust got to get through.
It's nothing really major; it'sjust got to be done.
So, we basically put off thecamping trip, which puts off the
brother-in-law's golf trip,because we normally go while
we're camping.
And so, I'm like you know what,let's just throw a couple days
together, get a couple rounds ofgolf in, having, you know, nice
(12:05):
dinner one night, breakfast andlunch, and, uh, we, we don't
really hang out a whole lot.
Um, we're, we don't really haveproblems with each other, we
just don't.
You know, we chat on ourmessage group and whatever here
and there, but we don't see eachother a whole lot.
Um.
So it's like let's do it anyway.
And we did have a total blast.
(12:26):
But they started ragging meabout what does Sam do?
You know, Dallas, he does pills.
Chad, he works at Yoder's, andPaul, you know he's law
enforcement.
You know what does Sam do?
And it's like a couple of weeksago when there was a couple of
haulers in here, they're likeyou know what do you really do?
And it's like you know what?
(12:47):
It's not really important whatI do.
You know everybody's like, well, you know what's the secret and
I'm like it's not really asecret.
I just learned really hardlessons that I'm not putting all
my eggs in one basket anymore.
In fact, um, in fact, um, therefor a long time, we get and I'm
(13:07):
just going to throw this outthere to the industry as a whole
and anybody, not even in thisindustry.
We live in a day and age whereif you only have one egg and
you're taking good care of thatone egg, you better look out
because you need more eggs.
Um, I, I every day on thecommunity pages that I follow
(13:28):
and stuff.
I've been on Facebook break foralmost a month now.
Most people don't know thatbecause I said I'm not.
I'm still going to put my, mycontent out there and I'll try
to interact with my content asmuch as I can, but I basically
shut down all my groups shutdown all my private groups that
I was in, you know, and stuff.
And I'm trying to just tone into where.
(13:51):
What's the Lord trying Like?
Can I even hear from the Lordright now?
So, I had shut a lot of thatstuff off.
But the occasional, you knowI'll spend 10, 15 minutes
answering a tag or something.
But people, people are pickingup second jobs, they're picking
up third jobs.
They're trying to figure outhow to supplement their income
with something.
(14:11):
The $175,000 house right acrossthe street from me is all of a
sudden $375,000.
And they're all under contract.
It's not like they're notselling.
They're pending under contract.
It's not like they're notselling, they're pending under
contract.
They're selling all the time.
I got a big day tomorrow.
I have a fully finished 18 by40 cabin that's going to require
(14:36):
two to three meals to get itdelivered Way back in the sticks
and down a dirt lane.
With all the rain we've hadlately, it's going to be a mess,
but it needs a bigger mule.
Well, when?
you talk, Cardinal listens andyou asked for it.
With its diesel-powered69-horse engine and capacity to
(14:59):
move 40,000-pound sheds, theMule 9069 is ready to turn your
big days into just another dayin the good life.
Ah, that's right, You're talkingabout the one they had up at
Michigan at the Shed Show.
That monster mule, that man,that thing was awesome.
That's right.
It's the one you've seen at all, the Shed Holler barbecues.
(15:23):
Man, yeah, there's nothing likea little diesel donkey to make
my day go so much better.
So, my point is, instead of Sam Byler having this
one big egg that everybodyknows that what he does he's got
10 of them and none of them aremajor.
They're all just doing theirpart and if one of those eggs,
(15:46):
if I accidentally throw it andit breaks, I haven't lost
everything.
I just got to replace that oneegg.
Keep focusing, but now insteadof it being 90 percent of my
income, it's 10 percent of myincome.
I don't really know what that,how that looks for people in the
shed industry that arestruggling right now.
(16:09):
I know for a hauler that's outthere hauling sheds if it's kind
of slow and he's like I got topick up more work up your ads on
Facebook that you do privatemoves, start moving other stuff,
start moving, lumber, move this, move that.
Look outside the box a littlebit.
(16:30):
Get off the 650 number and getback to the 400 number, because
I promise you, I can make moneymoving sheds at 400 bucks.
It's the constant argument onthe shed page.
Oh, there goes the 250 guy, andI chuckle to myself and I'm
like I do six 250s in a day.
(16:50):
I've made good money Sorrybuddy, and I still work less
hours than the banker did.
Some of that.
Start a lot.
Start selling sheds on the site.
Find somebody to run a lot foryou.
There's all kinds Add yardfurniture, add trailers, add
something else and I see peopledoing that.
(17:11):
I just I feel like we have tostay more open to what we're
doing, and I get tunnel visionvery quick, and I can't do that
as much.
I got to keep looking at thebroader picture.
Everything I do, whether itlooks like it's just a redneck
(17:34):
idea or whatever, it's all aboutmaking money at the end of the
day.
We put a charger on a $2,500diesel frame and it blew up on
some of the pages where weposted it.
Where that kind of stuff goes,everybody else is like man, what
is he doing?
You know that's well.
I mean, you know when you get athousand shares on something,
that's pretty impressive andit's like you know what.
(17:56):
There is.
There's a market out there forstuff that's unusual that you
know we're going, we're actuallygoing to do.
You know I'll end up pullingthe shed with it, just to make
the point.
And it's all marketing.
You know what are you doing formarketing?
How are you getting the wordout there?
What you do, you know on I seepeople's shed move pages, I mean
(18:17):
advertisements come up all thetime.
There's like one picture wemove sheds, and I'm like you:
Facebook gives you the option toput a what is it A 45 second
video on?
Put a video on.
It shows you moving a shed.
Put a video on of the mulemoving something.
Put a video on of whatever elsewe have to.
(18:38):
We have to learn to use whatwe're doing more to our
advantage.
Sorry, that was a way morespiel than you wanted.
I still didn't tell you what Ireally do.
Shed Geek (18:48):
I think it's good when you kind of get into those
zones.
To me, those are like myfavorite podcast guests are
always the ones who say I don'thave nothing to say, and then
they get on a riff and then allof a sudden it's like, yeah,
like people are engaged andlistening and they love it, and
I think that's what it.
What it comes down to is like,yeah, what does Sam do?
(19:11):
Well, I don't know.
You know, I got you know wordthe other day that somebody
asked you know how does, howdoes he make his money?
You know, I thought that wasinteresting.
It's like you know, like whatan interesting question.
For what purpose is that?
Is that necessary?
Sam Byler (19:29):
You know we'll throw a couple out there just to make
people.
So, I do have a truckingcompany.
Yet I never closed down mytrucking company.
We still move sheds.
Aaron and I went moved toGazebo on Monday morning, made
real good money in about an hourand a half.
And because I have the truckingcompany, we still have the
truck repair shop.
We're still rebuilding semis.
(19:52):
We're still building pickuptrucks.
We're still doing all kinds offab work.
I don't push it really becauseit's Aaron and me and if we have
to, we can pick up a flunky tohelp us here and there and I've
got work.
So, I, Aaron and me, and youknow if we have to, we can pick
up a flunky to help us here andthere and I've got work.
So, I'm not really asking orpushing for work.
But yesterday morning had a guycall me he wants a semi done
(20:13):
this year.
Yet this morning had a guyreach out to me on Messenger.
He's got a truck he wants toredo, probably the first of the
year.
So, we still do.
You know we're still doing allthat fab work stuff, still
working on shed, haulingequipment, stuff.
I just don't really push it.
Multiple reasons.
I'm just not really gung hoabout having six shops, six shop
(20:39):
doors, open down here.
You know, with a ton of stuffgoing on, I got a sawmill that
we picked up, that we'restarting to work on and try to
get that thing to where it makessome money.
I do rent-to-own through ShedGeek.
Most people don't know that,and I'm actually signed up with
a couple other rent-to-owncompanies.
If you don't like Shed Geek forsome reason I'm not saying
everybody has, We've talkedabout this.
(21:02):
If you need help, we'll findyou the right help.
If it's us, great.
If it's not us, we'll put youwith the right people that can
help you.
I have a shed hauler app that'snot making me any money, has
took a ton of money that we'restill working on and at some
point in the near future, nowthat Shed Geek has decent
(21:22):
advertising prices, we mightactually do some advertising on
that people that are askingabout it.
You know, what are you doingwith the shed hauler app?
And I'm like, listen, I justI've got to get focused back on.
I've got to get it back outthere where people know that, oh
they're.
Then right now there'll be ahundred people be like, oh yeah,
(21:43):
that's right, he doesn't have ashed hauler app.
What's he doing with it?
Well, that's a good question.
You know what are we doing withit, so I could take this whole
episode and turn it into theshed hauler app.
Yeah, you know, episode thatwe've actually never really done
because I hate self-promotion,so it's been a struggle to do
that.
Um, I sold a shed company.
Most people don't know that,but I sold my shed company, you
(22:06):
know, way back in 2017.
That that's still one of theways I make money.
I'm still involved with ShedGal selling sheds, you know,
helping her do stuff and keepingthat going, and that's kind of
the shed industry side of it, Iguess.
You know, the Shed Hall ofBrotherhood is still paying me
to run that thing, which drivesme crazy.
(22:28):
The only reason we set that upto where I get paid to do it was
because at some point, I'm notgoing to do it anymore and
whoever takes it over, thereneeds to be a precedent set that
somebody gets paid to at leasttake care of some of the stuff
that needs to be done with it,gets paid to at least take care
of some of the stuff that needsto be done with it.
In the meantime, the brotherhoodthanks to Uncle Sam and the
(22:51):
federal government keepschanging every year, so we don't
really know where we are rightnow.
Right now, we're in adiscussion about how we're going
to get set up.
They don't like to make us a501c3 because we have sharing
plans, monthly plans, we havefinance options and all this.
And they look at it and they'relike and I'm like, it's a
(23:11):
nonprofit, nobody's making anymoney here.
It's not that easy anymore.
So, I don't know for sure wherethat's going.
Yet we don't have a whole lotof people that yell about us not
being able to give themwrite-off receipts.
You know, because as a businessindustry, you're better off
(23:33):
using this as a businesswrite-off than you are as a
donation write-off.
That's a whole other subject.
I don't know how I got on that.
But we do have the brotherhoodthat we still run.
That's a whole other subject.
I don't know how I got on that,but we do have the Brotherhood
that we still run.
I do flip a lot of equipmentthat people don't see.
That I don't talk about a lot.
I have a total.
So, I have these two otherseparate lives from the shed
(23:56):
industry that most people don'tknow about, so to speak.
One of them is automotive.
I have a huge automotivefollowing, and then I also have
a big second amendment following, and I still buy and sell a lot
in that industry too, and it'sstill a good industry to be
(24:21):
involved in.
I just don't, you know, youcan't talk about it on social
media.
Yeah, so, but there's, like Isaid, I'm, I'm actually
hopefully I dude, I'm sitting,I'm sitting on a bombshell and I
have been for three months thatI can't talk about because we
haven't closed on it yet, butI'm working on my big golden egg
(24:42):
.
That's going to be my personal25-year egg to hopefully get me
finished out 25 years from now.
Yeah, I'll be up there.
I'm already feeling old, butthis one actually is one of my
hot buttons of where I get to dosomething I've wanted to do my
(25:02):
whole life.
I made a post about it three orfour months ago, a lot of
interaction with it and stuff.
But until I actually close onit I can't talk about it.
But I have a big one coming.
Shed Geek (25:16):
That's going to be cool, really cool.
I mean, you're kind ofdescribing the definition of the
, the culture word.
Um, well, culture in itself wasthat was that buzzword for a
little while.
But there's a word called uh, agrinder, you know, like you
just grind, you just figure outhow to go out there and grind.
(25:37):
Some people are like, oh, Idon't like that word, I don't
like the grind, it's just abuzzword.
But the truth is man like uh,you know, men were made to work
you know, that's the work I meanthat's, that's when I'm the
happiest.
You know like it's.
It's one of those things whereyou can either choose to uh, I
(26:01):
don't know you can.
You can choose to hate it, oryou can choose to embrace it and
uh, there is a lot of truth tothe sayings.
You know, find something youenjoy doing and you won't work.
Uh, I mean it's still work.
Like I enjoy mowing my yard,sam.
Like a lot of people don't knowhow much time I spend outside.
Like I I enjoy.
You know it looks like what Ido is very simple, you know,
(26:23):
because you get on here and youtalk or use technology for your
benefit.
But the reality is I've been.
You know, come from the bluecollar world.
My parents were blue collarfolks, for sure.
You know we started out when myparents got married in a single
white trailer, had no airconditioning.
That's kind of the same way meand my wife started out.
You know we hadn't gained toomuch in 20 years.
(26:46):
You know, um, and who was itthat posted something?
Darren Warren posted somethingthe other day was talking about
how he could see the cracksthrough the holes in the floor
when he was growing up and tosee where he's come to from then
to now and I think about my ownjourney.
You know it's, it's, it's stillthe Lord's right.
(27:15):
It's his time, it's his money,it's his business.
You know what good are we of itIf we're not good stewards?
You know he gives, he takesaway and I think at the end of
the day you just have to givethat really to.
You have to give it all to God.
You gotta give me a family.
You gotta give him your work,you gotta give him your life,
you gotta give him your.
You know, if he, if he's not inthe conversation, then I don't
(27:45):
really make sense of life atthis point.
Yeah, oh, I guess, is what I'msaying.
I'm too far gone.
I don't know how to go back.
It's like our pastor said onetime.
He said you know, once you havean experience with the Lord,
sin doesn't even feel as good asit used to.
You know, you try to go back tothat lifestyle.
It doesn't even interest you.
Sam Byler (28:06):
I had a conversation with a really good friend of
mine.
In fact it's the guy thatbought me out of the out of my
shed business.
He's been on a journey the lastcouple of years.
That's been cool to see too.
And the fact that we can soquick in our Christian life.
I mean, let's just admit it,we're Christians.
(28:28):
We would be nothing without theLord in our lives.
I can't even fathom and wetalked about this yesterday with
my brother-in-law's a littlebit I can't even fathom how I
would operate without having theLord.
I've got nothing, I'm not asteward of anything.
All of a sudden, I'mresponsible for all this stuff.
(28:49):
He makes me responsible, butultimately, he's responsible.
As long as I do what he tellsme to do, I don't have to worry
about it and to think thatthere's I can't.
I can't even imagine doing whatI do today without having the
Lord in my life, without havingsomebody I can rant and yell at
(29:10):
and be like what do you want meto do here?
What's going on?
And then, okay, so now flipthat around and say what if I
don't do anything, but focus onthe problems in my life, the sin
nature in my life and then themore you focus, you become what
you focus on.
So, dragging my buddy back intoit a couple of years ago, you
(29:32):
know he's like why can't we justget over some of this stuff
that we keep stumbling over?
And I'm like, because that'swhat you're focused on, that's
what you're looking at.
If you get busy and you startfocusing on the Lord and looking
at the Lord, all of a suddenthat stuff, not only does it not
become a stumbling blockanymore, but it's exactly what
you said it's all of a sudden,it's not existing, it's not even
(29:54):
there anymore.
What are you focused on?
It's not even there anymore.
What are you focused on?
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Shed Geek (31:44):
Yeah, I don't know what you're saying is ringing
very true to me in so manydifferent areas.
I tell you about.
You know, like this otherpodcast adventure that I was
considering going down, I don'tknow if I told the audience.
I don't know what I've toldthem at this point.
What I haven't, I don't know.
We bought a church.
That's where I'm sitting rightnow.
We bought a church.
It's crazy, right, ahundred-year-old church.
(32:07):
It's cool.
I love it.
Started in 1925.
We were looking for a building.
My son was also looking for ahome and there was an apartment
building that had a retail storebelow it that we were looking
at buying.
And then, all of a sudden, therealtor says there's a church
over here and I'm like, a churchturns out as a Church of God,
(32:27):
which I actually went to, aChurch of God.
But there's two different Churchof Gods.
There's one out of Anderson,Indiana, which kind of operates
more under kind of like the um,um, I don't know, like Lutheran,
maybe you know, kind of uh,methodist.
And then there's church got outof Cleveland, Tennessee, which
(32:48):
is a charismatic, you know,Pentecostal movement, um and uh,
this was under the Anderson,Indiana, and it had been the
church for 100 years and,honestly, the church fell in
turmoil, you know, and throughCOVID it ultimately shut it down
and you know, and it's sad tosee because no one ever tells
the story of what happens to achurch whenever it loses its
(33:10):
ability to be a church after 100years.
That's kind of a, you know, asad story.
Selling all the pews sellingall the stuff, you know, like
all these they had historicaldata that went back 60, 80 years
of ledgers and different thingsthat just sat here.
I mean, their checkbooks werestill here.
The accounts weren't open,obviously, but they were still
(33:31):
left here, you know, and it waskind of amazing to see the
pastor's, you know collection ofbooks and stuff.
I'm actually this desk is thepastor's desk.
We saved it and I used it asmine.
The bookshelf behind me was hisbookshelf.
We tried to keep some of theoriginal stuff, but I woke up
after six months one day andsaid why don't I buy a church?
I don't what happened there.
(33:52):
I don't, I don't know like whathappened.
Well, my son works for us,lives in the basement of the
church.
He can keep an eye on thebuilding, plus, he works for the
business.
So that's kind of cool, he's 20, makes good, good work for him.
We've fixed up one wing of itso far for our offices and I'm
like, well, this is workingreally good.
(34:12):
But then I was getting, you knowI was, I was getting the idea
one night of like, how can I bemore involved in using
podcasting to spread the gospel?
Or you know, I've never beencalled a pastor, Sam.
I've never been called a pastor, but I think we're all called
to evangelize, and I've been.
(34:33):
You know I've also struggledwith the church home.
To be perfectly honest with you, I've struggled with it.
I did go to one particularchurch for about 10 years, and
we still visit them, but youknow, we're not actively in that
church.
And because I struggled withthat, it was so weird because I
was like man, could we do like apodcast, like a podcast, church
(34:55):
, church podcast, something likethat.
I was like I don't know, Idon't mean church as in
traditional church, but I meanmaybe you know like we still
encourage people to gocorporately worship, you know,
with people.
But a lot of churches actuallycreate a podcast, you know, uh,
to get the word out to community, and I thought maybe we could
do that for people who've justbeen through similar experiences
(35:18):
and started getting thisthought in my head about podcast
church.
Church pod bought a church ofGod building used to go to a
church of God.
It hit me one night at threeo'clock in the morning church of
.
I went and looked up and lookedup the url and it was already
(35:39):
bought and there was a guy whowas already doing something
similar at a stained- glassmirror inside of a podcast mic.
Reached out to him for aboutthree weeks.
First time I reached out to himhe didn't answer God.
I told God, there we go.
I did my job moving on and uh,he said no, didn't give me any
peace till I reached out.
I contact the guy, and he saidwell, you're relentless, aren't
you?
(35:59):
And I said yeah, and he saidyou know, this is interesting
what you do and your podcast andall that.
And he said you know, church ofPod has kind of just been
dormant for three or four years.
I actually did an interview withhim on that podcast, and he
said, if nothing else, you'veinspired me to get back at it
and go back to the vision thatGod gave me with this.
(36:22):
So, he's talking to me aboutco-hosting with him and, I don't
know, we're probably going tohave him on the podcast on here,
because I found out he doesmarketing in the post frame
world.
What a small world doesmarketing in the post frame
world?
And I was just like, so heseems like a really awesome guy.
We had conversation; he did aninterview with me and I'm
excited.
(36:42):
I'm hoping that it takes off.
I don't know if we're going tobe involved with it.
I'm thinking I'm thinking aboutgetting back into sales, but
I'm thinking about doing itdifferently.
We've got all this space, thissanctuary, out here.
We know all these people and wereally know all this digital
and online stuff and I'm askingmyself why aren't we just using
(37:04):
the talents?
One of the one of the biggestthings I hear a lot of times is
like the leads aren't working.
Sales blames the marketing forleads and marketing always says
the sales goes back and forth.
And you, you know this isconstantly, constantly going to
happen.
It's not going to change.
I'm thinking, man, we see guysthat are having closing ratios
(37:26):
of yeah, off the charts, andthen some guys that are spending
the same ad budget and notseeing anything, and I'm
questioning, you know, should wejust jump in and take over that
?
Online sales?
I would imagine there's 10companies out there that would
want to work with us almostimmediately to be able to do
(37:48):
this, cause we've got the onlineexpertise, Sam, but I'm praying
about it Cause I won't make aliving.
It doesn't matter if I can makemoney.
Money's not the only driver ofmy ambition, you know.
So I'm asking myself what canbe done with it, how, what can
be expanded?
Can we help more people with it?
(38:08):
Can we be more charitable?
Can we create a job?
Can we?
Can we do the job?
Should we do the job?
I don't know there's I won't doanything without God's
permission.
And that's when people knowabout me in public and private,
if they know me very well.
So I just thought I'd throwthat out there while we're just
talking, just to be talking.
Uh, I don't know.
(38:28):
I don't know if we're gonna godown that road or not.
I don't know if the church ofpod thing's gonna open up.
I'm just really staying open toGod's will and just kind of what
you want to do, man, I'm, yeah,I think I'm over my days of
waking up at two and threeo'clock in the morning and
shaking my fist in the air, God,asking what do you want?
(38:49):
You know, what do you want fromme?
Leave me alone, what do youwant?
I'm just at a point now towhere I'm like hey, man,
whatever you want, I know you'llmake the way.
So go ahead and go ahead andmake it.
Lord, I'll just do my best tofollow and hopefully I can
represent you and your kingdomwell along the way.
(39:09):
Hopefully I don't mess it up,because sometimes it's in the
way.
You know, I try to stay out ofthe way, but sometimes I get in
the way.
Sam Byler (39:17):
Yeah, you know, that's a prime example for me
also for, like, coming off ofnine months of donating tiny
houses.
You know to people andeverybody's like, why don't you
do this full time?
You know you're good at this,why don't you do this all the
time?
And it's like, yeah, why don'tI do this all the time?
(39:37):
And you know you're like, allright, Lord, if you want this to
happen, we got to have this,this, this and this happen.
If you don't want it to happen,I'm good with that too.
And it's like you know what?
Why wasn't I getting any callsto rebuild trucks while I was in
the middle of doing that?
And now, all of a sudden, Ihaven't told anybody that I'm
(40:01):
getting back into rebuildingtrucks or doing that or that we
weren't doing it.
During that time Most peopledidn't know I had three projects
sitting in the shop that werewaiting to get done.
They weren't on a timeframe,but I had three projects that
were sitting in the shop tofinish up.
That the day we lost power fromthe storm.
You know we're back working onthose projects now.
(40:23):
I never told anybody I quit, andI never really told anybody I
started again.
I did say that Aaron's back toworking in the shop and we're
getting back into the groove alittle bit, so to speak.
But it was never officially oneway or the other.
But it is amazing to me how Godjust moves If you're willing
and you're not just beating ondoors or not walking at all.
(40:45):
You have to move a little bit.
It is amazing how God just putsstuff in my hand, and we just
keep proceeding with it where itgoes.
You know what, if you'resupposed to do sales, it'll all
fall together and six monthsfrom now they'll be like what's
Shannon doing in sales?
What's he doing in rent and loan?
What's he doing in marketing?
(41:06):
It doesn't take a genius me I'mnot a genius to see that where
you're at today is just whereGod has led you to be Dylan
Street.
He called me out of the bluethe other day.
I haven't talked to him in sixmonths.
He decides just to call me upand tell me a little bit about
where he's at in life, some ofhis personal stuff going on, and
(41:29):
it was just great to talk tohim outside of industry stuff
and to understand that God'sjust moving us along and we're
just okay with it.
Shed Geek (41:47):
You know, young guy I say young because he's younger
than me I guess he's about 10years younger than me, you know
full of drive and passion, andfor him, you know, so much
changed with what he calls likehis Damascus Road change in his
(42:09):
life, going from prison anddrugs and all these terrible
things to really pushing peopleinto recovery centers and being
an advocate for the community.
And, uh, you know, and, and onething I find is that, like it's
, it's hard to you know, to getpeople to offer grace for a lot
(42:33):
of that.
You know, uh, apple doesn'tfall far from the tree.
Know what I mean.
Like what, what I think I thinkI'm quoting this right it's, uh
, I think it's mark 6, 22 thatsays no man is without honor
except in, uh, his hometown,among his family and his friends
.
And this goes back to, you know, book of James and Jesus's own
(42:56):
brother, not believing him to be.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
And like that's the problemwith being in front of your home
crowd a lot of times is likesome people will never forgive
you for the things that you'vedone.
Right, you know.
And like, uh, you know, but hehas, you know, attempted to give
back more than he ever tookright from the community,
(43:19):
because he had this Damascusroad thing and I just love to
see his uh, his uh, talent, um,his ambitiousness.
You know, and uh and uh, it, it, it feeds others, it feeds
others him.
So, I'm glad you had thatconversation because, yeah, he's
(43:42):
had a rough year, but he is.
Sam Byler (43:46):
I mean, it's the same way with your RTO guys Titus
and Justin and Josh.
Those guys same thing.
God just puts the right peoplein place.
Shed Geek (43:58):
You know, I couldn't have asked for better partners.
Uh, through that, through thatopportunity you know, to, to, to
get to know them and meet them,and the way things worked out.
And, um, you know, here Ithought, here I thought I was at
, you know, ground zero and hadno opportunity.
And I'll tell you what man I'vebeen pleasantly surprised at
(44:19):
conversations I've been able tohave that I wish I could say.
I wish I could just be an open.
I am an open book, but I wish Icould be an open book for the
case of others.
There's some people that ask mequestions or want to work with
me and they don't want thatknown and I and look, I, even
saying that today is kind ofvulnerable because they might be
(44:40):
like I don't want people tostart asking him who that is,
but it's been.
I've sat in some offices thathave surprised even me and I'm
appreciative for those folks whobelieve that they see something
there that's worthy of havingme to sit with them and talk.
And, um, some that probablywould never come on the podcast,
(45:03):
some that would rather haveconversation quietly.
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Sam Byler (47:18):
That's what I'm laughing about.
Shed Geek (47:20):
You could have told me what the next five years was
going to be.
You know that was back then.
I remember we were creatingtopics and the one topic that
came up was the backbiting andthe bad side of the industry.
And I was like, oh, I remembersaying I don't think we should
talk about those things.
(47:40):
I don't think that that woulddo any good.
You got to worry about gettingsued.
You got to make sure you don'tdrop names.
You gotta operate in so muchmystery.
I was like I don't know ifthat's, if that's, a good cause,
but it does linger theinability for people to
(48:02):
communicate effectively and getalong well or have fallout or
turmoil, and I think it reallysays something about who you are
in the moment.
Like when turmoil happens, whatdoes your heart prepare you for
?
You know there was a time whereI would lose to somebody, and I
(48:27):
would go.
We're going to go after them,and I've heard other people talk
like that in the industry too,or have those same experiences,
and I'm happy to say that nowI'm, uh, at a place in my mind
where I just tell people why goafter them.
(48:47):
You know God doesn't bless that.
What, like that's just ourhuman nature to want to like,
prove something to somebody andI'm like I don't care.
I don't care now, Sam, becauseI'm like hey man, I wish them
well, but we have, me and youboth, experienced a lot of the
(49:09):
if you want to call itbackbiting going to call it
backbiting, oh gosh, downrightrude, mean, mischievous things.
You just you can't go throughlife and not experience those.
But my heart still comes backto how can we avoid those things
(49:32):
and make for a better industry?
uh, because I don't think thatpeople are, are mean or rude
most of the time I there's asaying that says people don't do
things to you, they do thingsfor themselves, and, and I think
even being offended is a choice.
Yeah, you know.
And I think it's like, how canwe, uh, how can we just be
(49:55):
better as an industry?
And like, every time I say thatI get hit right out of left
field with some thing I didn'tsee coming, that you're like,
well, that makes me angry.
But how do I respond to that?
As opposed to being, you know,letting that situation control
your thoughts, I just I don'teven care anymore.
(50:16):
I'm just at a place to whereI'm like, I don't know the.
The only thing I can control isme, how I react, and I just
want to try to be kind to eventhose who, uh, well, I just told
you about this before.
Well, you know, you know I wastoo dumb or too stupid for the
(50:39):
hellfire and brimstone preachersto quote unquote scare the hell
out of me saying like you know,I never really felt like I.
I know that the beginning ofknowledge is the fear of the
Lord and, and I understand that,but it really wasn't the
hellfire and brimstone, or youbetter get right, or else that
(51:00):
affected me or that brokethrough.
It was love.
It was love.
It was agape love.
It was forgiveness when Ididn't deserve it.
Those things broke my heart.
When Jesus forgave me for mysin nature, my Judas nature,
when God forgave me for that andsaid you're welcome, you have a
(51:20):
place, you have a home.
That breaks a man Because youknow you don't deserve it.
You know you don't deserveforgiveness and yet still you
got it.
So, who would I be to holdforgiveness from anyone ever at
this point in my life?
The problem is I got to try tomix that with not being stupid.
(51:40):
Be forgiving, but how manytimes do you go back to the well
before you say wait a minute,I'm going to love you, but, but
I'm gonna love you from adistance and I'm sorry about
that.
You know.
That's just the intelligence Ifeel like god's given me to say
(52:03):
be forgiving, don't be forgetfulyeah so this kind of goes back
to something I know he's gonnahave any conversation on, which
is before the topic of the callMe, and you spent 25 minutes
talking about the Lord and thesevery things, and, yeah, that's
just.
Uh.
Where do we, how do we getthere in the shed industry?
(52:24):
I don't, I don't really know.
I hate seeing turmoil.
I hate seeing people not getalong and what I do is I try to
fix it and you're not.
I get this from my mother.
She's amazing, but my mom willtake on the burdens of two
people not getting along and Iwill tell her mom, it's not your
burden.
These are grown men and womentrying to fix it.
(52:48):
They are capable of fixing itthemselves.
You are not responsible forthis, and you can't fix it
anyway.
I don't know how we got on thatjourney, but at their selves,
you are not responsible for thisand you can't fix it.
You can't fix it Anyway.
I don't know how we got on thatjourney, but I hope somebody's
blessed by it, because maybethey are.
Sam Byler (53:04):
Relationships, business relationships.
When I think about the mostimportant relationship I have
here on Earth after myrelationship with my Lord is
with my wife, and how easy it isfor that to get manipulated,
(53:24):
you know through just notunderstanding um or one of us,
you know just going on a tangentI mean we're talking about the
most important relationship Ihave and the easiest one I have
and how easy it is for it to getderailed sometimes.
Why do we not understand thatthis can happen just as easily
(53:48):
in our other relationships?
You know, don't credit.
So, I open my mouth and saysome stupid stuff sometimes and
she takes that to be vindictiveor that I'm trying to do
something.
You know that I'm trying tomanipulate her or something, and
it's just pure stupidity.
You know, don't blame.
If you see what I'm there.
(54:09):
There's a phrase that come up onone of my posts just recently I
don't want to quote it thatHerb Epley said it because, no,
it was John Schmidt said itSomething about don't blame all
this other stuff, vindictiveness, whatever it is, manipulation
on just pure stupidity.
I just said something dumb,that's all it is, and you're
(54:31):
like, oh man, this guy's out toget me or this guy see something
, that's all it is and you'relike, oh man, this guy's out to
get me or this guy see something, sorry.
And how hard it is to keep thatrelationship going.
How much harder and easier itis at the same time to ruin
other relationships with peoplethat we don't have near as much
interaction with, or whatever.
Shed Geek (54:57):
You follow what I'm saying so much so, Sam, that I
fear having this conversation onthis podcast today and somebody
sees something in me six monthsor a year from now that doesn't
line up with this.
I understand what you're sayingso much that I regret the
future Shannon that says or doessomething that makes somebody
think he talks all this talk butthen he doesn't walk all this
walk.
It's like, yeah, I'm not perfectyeah and I, and I may react out
(55:21):
of anger or frustration to asituation or something that you
see and then all of a sudden,it's like well, there goes that
that you know that's wherethey're.
The world definitely talks alot about this.
Oh, there's that old Christianmentality.
Sam Byler (55:35):
Yeah.
Shed Geek (55:36):
You know, and you're just like, well, yeah, because
I've got to walk around in thisperfect, you know, like light
all the time.
It's just, it's really not me.
Like, please take me off thatpedestal.
Yeah, let me mess up becauseI'm going to.
Sam Byler (55:56):
You know what?
It took me 35 years to figureout, and I don't know if you
read my post about it the otherday, but I made a post about it
the other day.
Well, the post is yeah, thepost is about that, but there's
some other stuff in there too.
What took me 35 years to figureout is the number one tool that
my wife has to make ourmarriage strong is that she lets
(56:18):
me fail.
Shed Geek (56:20):
I did read that.
I absolutely did, yeah.
Sam Byler (56:23):
Bomb, yeah, yeah, if I don't.
So, it's easy for me to let herfail because, number one, she
lets me lead.
So, when we fail, it's my faultand it's catastrophically.
You know she fails, it's alittle bump in the road.
(56:44):
Nah, I'm fine with that, youknow whatever?
Um, but if, if I'm telling you,man, I'm starting to see the
tip of an iceberg of probablythe biggest issue we have with
relationships is the fact thatyou know, and I've preached for
years, that we judge othersbased off of their actions and
(57:10):
we judge ourselves based off ofour intention.
Yeah, you follow what I'msaying.
There's a huge difference inwhat I intend to do and what
actually ends up happening.
But at the same time, I holdyou to what you did, not on what
you intended.
You follow what I'm saying.
(57:30):
So, I've preached that part ofit for years.
What I haven't really wrapped myhead around until here just
recently is how much she justlets me fail.
She's like, ok, you want to dothis, we'll do this, and there
was times I didn't even ask her.
There's stuff that I'm doing.
Today that's one of my eggsthat doesn't have her blessings
(57:51):
on it, and someday it's astruggle, but the more I learn
to trust her and say, look,here's what I want to do.
I think we can do this, this,this, this.
And then she's, like you know,four years later it's a complete
bust.
And she could say I told you so.
(58:11):
She never has.
But it's the fact that she'swilling to let me fail at what I
do, and I don't think we'regoing to wrap our heads around
how that applies.
Apply that to what you're doingnow with your business partners
Ouch.
Shed Geek (58:27):
Me and you are alike in that.
You know we have that Probablymy wife's been right more than
she's been wrong about thingsthat I've, if she shared with me
, you should do this, don't dothat, or something in somebody
that I don't see, and I'm like Idon't, I don't see it, I don't
(58:48):
know what you're talking about,babe, and I'm trying to be in
charge here and lead this family, and you know what I mean like
I don't, I don't get it, andthen it turns out to be right,
but it's so hard for me to likeblindly trust that you know what
I'm saying.
Like, uh, but I've been blessedin that, like I, I've been
around other guys who are likeyou know, they, they, they hide
(59:10):
even the most little tediousthings from their wife, just the
little things that doesn'treally even matter.
You know, and I'm like, why doyou?
Why do you hide that?
It's like, well, I don't wantto have the conversation and I'm
like, oh man, I'm so thankfulnot to have to have that.
I feel like I can talk with herabout anything.
She's my best friend.
(59:31):
You know, there's very littlein my life I feel like I've not
been able to take to my to mywife and really have that
conversation about.
But on a daily basis people sayI don't see how you work with
your spouse.
I'm like man, I don't see howI'd work without her.
Yeah, no, kidding, for me thatdoesn't make sense.
(59:51):
Like I, yeah, I love workingwith her.
Like she, she compliments mevery well.
She, she just takes on, uh,things without me having to ask
her.
25 years in now, you knowmarried and couldn't have picked
a better partner, to be honest.
So, you got to get them.
(01:00:13):
Yeah, man, I'm not, I'm notupset about you.
Know, my struggle has neverreally been family, it's always
been work.
Work has been the harder,harder thing for me to overcome.
But I'll tell you what manwe've really been blessed with
shed geek you, as part of thatstructure, I'm super happy to
(01:00:36):
keep you on.
Do this once a month, whetherit's a mixture of monologues or
dialogues between me and you oreven an interview between you
and someone else, just kind ofkeeping that out there in the
air.
And I've told you, even if wedecide to just put it to bed,
you're welcome back here anytime.
I mean, anybody who's been onthe Shed Geek is welcome back
(01:01:00):
anytime.
I hope that we haveconversations.
That encourages you, inspiresyou.
Some days you're going to hearabout products.
Some days you're going to hearabout services.
Some days you're going to hearabout marketing, rent, finance,
who knows?
You know solar blaster fans,you name it.
But then some days you're gonnayou know, you're just gonna
(01:01:21):
hear about coaching or it'sgonna be very matter of fact
about our lives and trying to beI don't know man.
It's worked well for five yearsand we've just I don't see any
reason to change it.
I will.
I will repeat this message ahundred times over If you don't
like that we pray.
If you don't like we talk aboutJesus, then don't advertise
(01:01:44):
with me, we don't care.
Yeah, no kidding.
Sorry if that seems very blunt,but your business is not more
important than Jesus.
Sam Byler (01:01:55):
Yep.
Shed Geek (01:01:56):
Sorry about your luck so um, if you do have a
business and you believe inJesus, maybe you should
advertise.
Well, you know, hey, I get it,I get, I get the pr people do
what they do.
Sam Byler (01:02:07):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Shed Geek (01:02:10):
Uh, you know like a religious fanatic.
It it's like well, I don't know, I like the saying.
You know, if you had to beconvicted of being a Christian
today, would there be anyevidence to convict you of such
a thing?
That's true, and I would justlike to say I sure hope so.
(01:02:33):
I sure hope I've been giventhis platform To be able to
spread the joy of Christ and theword of the Gospel, because if
I don't give him His first, youknow what he's owed.
I don't feel like that.
It's blessed moving forward.
So now, with that said Again,please allow the grace to for us
(01:02:56):
to be imperfect, because Lordknows we are.
Woo, uh, harry, what is this?
Is it a?
Sam Byler (01:03:03):
Oh gosh, I can't think of his name.
Shed Geek (01:03:06):
Oh, it's terrible.
I got the book back here andI've said it a hundred times
Philip Yancey prayers Do theymake any difference?
Yeah, anyway, the pastor, famepastor.
I can't think of his name rightnow, but he used to always pray
the message Sam.
He said before he'd get up andspeak in front of people.
He'd say, lord, forgive me, orthank you for the opportunity to
(01:03:31):
speak in front of these people,because if these people knew
about me, the things that youknew about me, they wouldn't
listen to a word I'm about tosay and that's the way I feel
before every podcast that I dois if, if people knew about me
with Lord, do about me, theyreally wouldn't care to listen
to anything I have to say.
But because of his grace, hismercies that are made new every
(01:03:52):
day, it gives us a chance to geton here, talk about him, talk
about his mission as the greatcommission, but also talk about
things that we find inspiringand lovable to us, which is the
shed industry, the carportindustry, the industries we've
built in, and I hope that peoplefind that worthy enough to
listen to.
And if you don't, thank you foryour time.
And if you do, thank you foryour time and, if you do, thank
(01:04:14):
you for your time.
Sam Byler (01:04:16):
Yep.
Shed Geek (01:04:16):
I agree.
Well, I guess that pretty wellwraps up our thoughts for the
day.
I don't know.
We had no agenda going intothis.
We wanted to tell people thatwe were going to one, one a
month, and I always enjoy ourconversations.
People don't realize me.
And you talk for 30 minutesbefore we even talk.
Sam Byler (01:04:37):
This is true, and my hood is supposed to be here in
two minutes.
Shed Geek (01:04:42):
Well then, let's get out of here.
I'm going to say a quick wordGet us out of here, yeah, get us
out of your day, lord.
Thank you for this day, theopportunity.
Lord, bless this business.
Bless Sam and all his endeavorsas he continues.
Thank you for his friendship.
Thank you for the friendshipsaround the industry.
Pray that you keep us on thestraight and narrow, keep us
(01:05:02):
doing what's right in the nextright thing and all
opportunities.
Thank you for your son, JesusChrist, who came and died for
our sins.
Sam Byler (01:05:11):
In Jesus' name, amen, amen, go get your hood and
let's talk soon.
All right, See ya.
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Shed Geek (01:34):
Okay, welcome back to another episode of the Shed
Geek podcast.
And this is like fun Fridaymonthly edition.
I don't know what you want tocall it, but we'll get into all
the conversation.
Sam, we do a podcast togetherbut, to simply understate it,
(01:59):
it's a conversation between acouple of buddies and a couple
of guys in the industry that wejust kind of love and that's
just kind of served as our homeand opportunity.
You know, whenever people say,wow, man, like I really got
something great out of thatpodcast, it always makes me
wonder did I orchestrate that?
(02:21):
And the truth is no, it's neverorchestrated.
It's always a conversation andyou just don't know what's going
to reach people.
And in certain conversationsand then and others, people are
like I was very boring.
You know I wasn't, it wasn'tcrazy about that episode or
whatever it is, and it's like Iget it.
And then somebody else saysit's the best one you ever had.
(02:42):
I'm, I'm fine, you ever had.
I was just telling you before wegot on the air.
We're five years in now and theonly thing I can say that's
different is it's more of a jobnow than it is a passion to be
in this for five years andmaking my living off of it.
Still very passionate about it.
Don't get me wrong, love thisindustry.
(03:03):
Still very passionate about it,don't get me wrong, love this
industry.
And.
But man, it is a nail bitersome days.
There's no doubt about that.
Where do you land after all ofthese years?
You know you're usuallyinterviewing people on Fun
Friday.
I'm interviewing you, I guess,today.
Sam Byler (03:22):
Yeah, we're flipping around this time.
Since you won't ever invite meon yours.
I just invited myself on.
Shed Geek (03:29):
Fair enough.
Sam Byler (03:31):
So, you know we used to say there's only two laws
that apply You're going to dieand you're going to pay taxes.
I don't know if you ever heardthat growing up.
I heard that as a kid.
You know the old timers arealways there.
There's only two things you gotto do in life You're going to
have to die and you're going tohave to pay your taxes.
I've lived long enough to findout there's some people don't
pay taxes.
(03:51):
We're all still pretty muchdying, so I've thrown those two
out.
I'm down to.
What I'm building on.
Here is what you said aboutwhen people listen to podcasts.
They get something out of itand you're like, ah, it just
happens.
You know it's all.
It builds on itself and I agree, I hear that a lot.
(04:13):
One of the greatest things aboutthis platform is to be able to
have conversations that end upgoing places you never thought
they would.
And you know you get the ahamoment out of it.
And you know you get the ahamoment out of it and I'm the two
things that I'm convinced oftoday is I never know what's
going to blow up on social media.
You know, stuff I think that Iwrite that's brilliant, goes
(04:37):
nowhere, and stuff that I writeout of pure frustration or just
purely from yelling out to Godtakes off like crazy.
And the other one is, when youdo a podcast, you have no idea
where it's going to end up going.
That's why I enjoy them so much.
(04:57):
I kind of hate that we'reactually one of the things we're
doing is talking about cuttingit back to monthly, and it's not
that I don't enjoy doing themand I don't want to do them.
It's just it's been hard tostay focused on getting enough
interviews to do it.
I got too much other stuffgoing on.
Absolutely completely love whatI do here on the podcast.
(05:19):
It's nothing to do with that,nothing to do with you.
You are literally one of myclosest friends in the industry.
So, to be able to you know, Itold you when you said something
about what do you think aboutdoing it once a month?
I'm like man me and you coulddo one once a month.
That's not an issue.
But I do want to reach.
You know, keep reaching out tothe guys that have supported me,
(05:41):
and they've got me here thisfar.
Shout out to all our sponsors.
I know you're redoing some ofthat, which is great, but and
listen, if people are like heylisten.
We want to hear him every week.
We'll do the interviews.
I'm still open to that.
It's not that we don't have thetime to do it.
We just want to make it towhere we're not frustrated with
it.
Shed Geek (06:10):
Well, and also, I think it's important to know
that that you know there is somestructure.
We try to set some, you know,especially for our advertisers.
We try to make sure thatthere's content there.
But we don't want to getcontent.
Uh, look, I'd rather give themtheir money back or, you know,
not do something than to notbring valuable content to the
table.
So, I don't want to ever feellike I'm doing it just to do it
to make some money.
I want to feel like we'rehaving good conversation that
benefits people's day, and ifsomeone's going to be willing to
(06:32):
take precious time out of theirday to listen to us, I hope
that we've got something worthyof saying.
And the way I've tried to alwaysdo that is to just be
transparent and to just bevulnerable to the audience and
just kind of be like.
You know, at one point I evenshared, you know, I think, with
(06:52):
Jonathan Ulrich well, it's anoversharing, it's not necessary
and it was like, yeah, I'm justtrying to show that.
You know, now we've gone to aplace where, you know, there was
a point where I was consideringgiving away advertising at no
(07:13):
cost.
Uh, uh, simply because I had tomake my living off the
advertising at one point.
But other things have uh beenbuilt that have kind of helped
sturdy up things for us,hopefully for long term, and I
thought, how can I get back?
And you and I both know freezewhat you pay for it.
(07:34):
So, like, I've decreased it bylike you know, I don't know 75%
of the cost, you know, just tobe like, hey, there's some
reasonable accountability herethat you, you know what I mean.
Hey, there's some reasonableaccountability here that you,
you know what I mean, you got toget us.
But I'm not going to focus onthat, because I really want the
podcast to be a space that thatthat helps people, and we've
(07:55):
talked about this.
I've talked about this withJared and eric on steel kings.
It's, like, you know, doesn'thave to be a steel like specific
podcast.
You know people that reach outall the time, different coaches,
uh, uh, people that are inprofessional, uh, digital worlds
(08:16):
.
You know, I almost got thepresident of uh go daddy on one
time and he backed out on me.
You know, I feel like thosewould be cool conversations.
You know, to be like, wow,these are.
We could get into the you knowin-depth part of different
things.
But we've had some cool peopleon and you've been part of that
process and it's five years.
(08:37):
It's kind of hard to believethat this has been.
You know, and I'm sitting heregoing well, do we have five more
in us?
You know, like there's so manypeople left to interview, and
the thing is, I like both themonologue style, and I like the
dialogue.
I enjoy interviews andsometimes I enjoy what is your
product?
Expose it to the industry, tellthem about it.
(09:00):
How can we help you get outthere?
And then sometimes I like the.
You know, this is my testimonyand let's let me tell you about
my journey through the industry.
I like it all.
I like it all.
I.
I just want to constantlyprovide content that people feel
like man, I tuned in today tolisten to something that was
(09:21):
encouraging, inspiring,educational, educational,
entertaining, and it blessed meand I'm better for listening to
it than I was for not listeningto it.
At the end of the day, you know, to think that a thousand
people would tune in everyepisode to listen to anything me
, or you have to say, is kind oflike humbling, oh, absolutely.
Sam Byler (09:44):
Yeah.
Shed Geek (09:45):
So I appreciate all the listeners, all the
advertisers, this, this industry, the ups and downs, ebbs and
flows, the goods, the bads, the,the all of it has taught me
something, you know being ableto embrace things difficulty,
difficult people, difficultcustomers, good customers,
people, difficult customers,good customers moments that I
(10:12):
believe will live rent-free inmy head from not just good
opportunities like money-makingactivities, but I'm talking
about things that people sharewith you, that are in private,
that are just.
You just know that is divine,divine appointment, without a
doubt.
You don't know how to explainit.
That's been kind of cool man.
(10:33):
That's been kind of coolbecause we're still in perfect
over here at Shed Geek.
I bet you, Sam, will say thesame about him.
Dylan Cord Wyatt, josh JustinTitus, all of us, we'd all.
Deanna, Cord, Wyatt, Josh,Justin, Titus, all of us, you
know, like we'd all Deanna, Troy, you know we'd all say the same
thing, like hey, we're stillwas.
(10:54):
Jeff Huxman told me he said youknow, I'm still learning how to
be human.
It's my first time, so I takethat for what it is.
So, let's talk about the meatof any kind of subject here.
Moving forward, well, let'stalk about Sam Byler.
What's Sam Byler doing?
How about that?
Sam Byler (11:14):
That's not a good subject.
Shed Geek (11:16):
No, no, nothing new on the horizon that I'm not
aware of.
Sam Byler (11:21):
So, it seems like I don't know why this has come up
again.
But actually the last two daysI've been hanging out with my
brother-in-laws, we've beenhaving our own little mini golf
trip outing thing, becausenormally we go when we're
camping and my wife's mom whichis mom to me because my mom's
(11:42):
been gone ever since we'remarried pretty much she's been
dealing ever since we're married, pretty much she's been dealing
with some health issues that wejust got to get through.
It's nothing really major; it'sjust got to be done.
So, we basically put off thecamping trip, which puts off the
brother-in-law's golf trip,because we normally go while
we're camping.
And so, I'm like you know what,let's just throw a couple days
together, get a couple rounds ofgolf in, having, you know, nice
(12:05):
dinner one night, breakfast andlunch, and, uh, we, we don't
really hang out a whole lot.
Um, we're, we don't really haveproblems with each other, we
just don't.
You know, we chat on ourmessage group and whatever here
and there, but we don't see eachother a whole lot.
Um.
So it's like let's do it anyway.
And we did have a total blast.
(12:26):
But they started ragging meabout what does Sam do?
You know, Dallas, he does pills.
Chad, he works at Yoder's, andPaul, you know he's law
enforcement.
You know what does Sam do?
And it's like a couple of weeksago when there was a couple of
haulers in here, they're likeyou know what do you really do?
And it's like you know what?
(12:47):
It's not really important whatI do.
You know everybody's like, well, you know what's the secret and
I'm like it's not really asecret.
I just learned really hardlessons that I'm not putting all
my eggs in one basket anymore.
In fact, um, in fact, um, therefor a long time, we get and I'm
(13:07):
just going to throw this outthere to the industry as a whole
and anybody, not even in thisindustry.
We live in a day and age whereif you only have one egg and
you're taking good care of thatone egg, you better look out
because you need more eggs.
Um, I, I every day on thecommunity pages that I follow
(13:28):
and stuff.
I've been on Facebook break foralmost a month now.
Most people don't know thatbecause I said I'm not.
I'm still going to put my, mycontent out there and I'll try
to interact with my content asmuch as I can, but I basically
shut down all my groups shutdown all my private groups that
I was in, you know, and stuff.
And I'm trying to just tone into where.
(13:51):
What's the Lord trying Like?
Can I even hear from the Lordright now?
So, I had shut a lot of thatstuff off.
But the occasional, you knowI'll spend 10, 15 minutes
answering a tag or something.
But people, people are pickingup second jobs, they're picking
up third jobs.
They're trying to figure outhow to supplement their income
with something.
(14:11):
The $175,000 house right acrossthe street from me is all of a
sudden $375,000.
And they're all under contract.
It's not like they're notselling.
They're pending under contract.
It's not like they're notselling, they're pending under
contract.
They're selling all the time.
I got a big day tomorrow.
I have a fully finished 18 by40 cabin that's going to require
(14:36):
two to three meals to get itdelivered Way back in the sticks
and down a dirt lane.
With all the rain we've hadlately, it's going to be a mess,
but it needs a bigger mule.
Well, when?
you talk, Cardinal listens andyou asked for it.
With its diesel-powered69-horse engine and capacity to
(14:59):
move 40,000-pound sheds, theMule 9069 is ready to turn your
big days into just another dayin the good life.
Ah, that's right, You're talkingabout the one they had up at
Michigan at the Shed Show.
That monster mule, that man,that thing was awesome.
That's right.
It's the one you've seen at all, the Shed Holler barbecues.
(15:23):
Man, yeah, there's nothing likea little diesel donkey to make
my day go so much better.
So, my point is, instead of Sam Byler having this
one big egg that everybodyknows that what he does he's got
10 of them and none of them aremajor.
They're all just doing theirpart and if one of those eggs,
(15:46):
if I accidentally throw it andit breaks, I haven't lost
everything.
I just got to replace that oneegg.
Keep focusing, but now insteadof it being 90 percent of my
income, it's 10 percent of myincome.
I don't really know what that,how that looks for people in the
shed industry that arestruggling right now.
(16:09):
I know for a hauler that's outthere hauling sheds if it's kind
of slow and he's like I got topick up more work up your ads on
Facebook that you do privatemoves, start moving other stuff,
start moving, lumber, move this, move that.
Look outside the box a littlebit.
(16:30):
Get off the 650 number and getback to the 400 number, because
I promise you, I can make moneymoving sheds at 400 bucks.
It's the constant argument onthe shed page.
Oh, there goes the 250 guy, andI chuckle to myself and I'm
like I do six 250s in a day.
(16:50):
I've made good money Sorrybuddy, and I still work less
hours than the banker did.
Some of that.
Start a lot.
Start selling sheds on the site.
Find somebody to run a lot foryou.
There's all kinds Add yardfurniture, add trailers, add
something else and I see peopledoing that.
(17:11):
I just I feel like we have tostay more open to what we're
doing, and I get tunnel visionvery quick, and I can't do that
as much.
I got to keep looking at thebroader picture.
Everything I do, whether itlooks like it's just a redneck
(17:34):
idea or whatever, it's all aboutmaking money at the end of the
day.
We put a charger on a $2,500diesel frame and it blew up on
some of the pages where weposted it.
Where that kind of stuff goes,everybody else is like man, what
is he doing?
You know that's well.
I mean, you know when you get athousand shares on something,
that's pretty impressive andit's like you know what.
(17:56):
There is.
There's a market out there forstuff that's unusual that you
know we're going, we're actuallygoing to do.
You know I'll end up pullingthe shed with it, just to make
the point.
And it's all marketing.
You know what are you doing formarketing?
How are you getting the wordout there?
What you do, you know on I seepeople's shed move pages, I mean
(18:17):
advertisements come up all thetime.
There's like one picture wemove sheds, and I'm like you:
Facebook gives you the option toput a what is it A 45 second
video on?
Put a video on.
It shows you moving a shed.
Put a video on of the mulemoving something.
Put a video on of whatever elsewe have to.
(18:38):
We have to learn to use whatwe're doing more to our
advantage.
Sorry, that was a way morespiel than you wanted.
I still didn't tell you what Ireally do.
Shed Geek (18:48):
I think it's good when you kind of get into those
zones.
To me, those are like myfavorite podcast guests are
always the ones who say I don'thave nothing to say, and then
they get on a riff and then allof a sudden it's like, yeah,
like people are engaged andlistening and they love it, and
I think that's what it.
What it comes down to is like,yeah, what does Sam do?
(19:11):
Well, I don't know.
You know, I got you know wordthe other day that somebody
asked you know how does, howdoes he make his money?
You know, I thought that wasinteresting.
It's like you know, like whatan interesting question.
For what purpose is that?
Is that necessary?
Sam Byler (19:29):
You know we'll throw a couple out there just to make
people.
So, I do have a truckingcompany.
Yet I never closed down mytrucking company.
We still move sheds.
Aaron and I went moved toGazebo on Monday morning, made
real good money in about an hourand a half.
And because I have the truckingcompany, we still have the
truck repair shop.
We're still rebuilding semis.
(19:52):
We're still building pickuptrucks.
We're still doing all kinds offab work.
I don't push it really becauseit's Aaron and me and if we have
to, we can pick up a flunky tohelp us here and there and I've
got work.
So, I, Aaron and me, and youknow if we have to, we can pick
up a flunky to help us here andthere and I've got work.
So, I'm not really asking orpushing for work.
But yesterday morning had a guycall me he wants a semi done
(20:13):
this year.
Yet this morning had a guyreach out to me on Messenger.
He's got a truck he wants toredo, probably the first of the
year.
So, we still do.
You know we're still doing allthat fab work stuff, still
working on shed, haulingequipment, stuff.
I just don't really push it.
Multiple reasons.
I'm just not really gung hoabout having six shops, six shop
(20:39):
doors, open down here.
You know, with a ton of stuffgoing on, I got a sawmill that
we picked up, that we'restarting to work on and try to
get that thing to where it makessome money.
I do rent-to-own through ShedGeek.
Most people don't know that,and I'm actually signed up with
a couple other rent-to-owncompanies.
If you don't like Shed Geek forsome reason I'm not saying
everybody has, We've talkedabout this.
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If you need help, we'll findyou the right help.
If it's us, great.
If it's not us, we'll put youwith the right people that can
help you.
I have a shed hauler app that'snot making me any money, has
took a ton of money that we'restill working on and at some
point in the near future, nowthat Shed Geek has decent
(21:22):
advertising prices, we mightactually do some advertising on
that people that are askingabout it.
You know, what are you doingwith the shed hauler app?
And I'm like, listen, I justI've got to get focused back on.
I've got to get it back outthere where people know that, oh
they're.
Then right now there'll be ahundred people be like, oh yeah,
(21:43):
that's right, he doesn't have ashed hauler app.
What's he doing with it?
Well, that's a good question.
You know what are we doing withit, so I could take this whole
episode and turn it into theshed hauler app.
Yeah, you know, episode thatwe've actually never really done
because I hate self-promotion,so it's been a struggle to do
that.
Um, I sold a shed company.
Most people don't know that,but I sold my shed company, you
(22:06):
know, way back in 2017.
That that's still one of theways I make money.
I'm still involved with ShedGal selling sheds, you know,
helping her do stuff and keepingthat going, and that's kind of
the shed industry side of it, Iguess.
You know, the Shed Hall ofBrotherhood is still paying me
to run that thing, which drivesme crazy.
(22:28):
The only reason we set that upto where I get paid to do it was
because at some point, I'm notgoing to do it anymore and
whoever takes it over, thereneeds to be a precedent set that
somebody gets paid to at leasttake care of some of the stuff
that needs to be done with it,gets paid to at least take care
of some of the stuff that needsto be done with it.
In the meantime, the brotherhoodthanks to Uncle Sam and the
(22:51):
federal government keepschanging every year, so we don't
really know where we are rightnow.
Right now, we're in adiscussion about how we're going
to get set up.
They don't like to make us a501c3 because we have sharing
plans, monthly plans, we havefinance options and all this.
And they look at it and they'relike and I'm like, it's a
(23:11):
nonprofit, nobody's making anymoney here.
It's not that easy anymore.
So, I don't know for sure wherethat's going.
Yet we don't have a whole lotof people that yell about us not
being able to give themwrite-off receipts.
You know, because as a businessindustry, you're better off
(23:33):
using this as a businesswrite-off than you are as a
donation write-off.
That's a whole other subject.
I don't know how I got on that.
But we do have the brotherhoodthat we still run.
That's a whole other subject.
I don't know how I got on that,but we do have the Brotherhood
that we still run.
I do flip a lot of equipmentthat people don't see.
That I don't talk about a lot.
I have a total.
So, I have these two otherseparate lives from the shed
(23:56):
industry that most people don'tknow about, so to speak.
One of them is automotive.
I have a huge automotivefollowing, and then I also have
a big second amendment following, and I still buy and sell a lot
in that industry too, and it'sstill a good industry to be
(24:21):
involved in.
I just don't, you know, youcan't talk about it on social
media.
Yeah, so, but there's, like Isaid, I'm, I'm actually
hopefully I dude, I'm sitting,I'm sitting on a bombshell and I
have been for three months thatI can't talk about because we
haven't closed on it yet, butI'm working on my big golden egg
(24:42):
.
That's going to be my personal25-year egg to hopefully get me
finished out 25 years from now.
Yeah, I'll be up there.
I'm already feeling old, butthis one actually is one of my
hot buttons of where I get to dosomething I've wanted to do my
(25:02):
whole life.
I made a post about it three orfour months ago, a lot of
interaction with it and stuff.
But until I actually close onit I can't talk about it.
But I have a big one coming.
Shed Geek (25:16):
That's going to be cool, really cool.
I mean, you're kind ofdescribing the definition of the
, the culture word.
Um, well, culture in itself wasthat was that buzzword for a
little while.
But there's a word called uh, agrinder, you know, like you
just grind, you just figure outhow to go out there and grind.
(25:37):
Some people are like, oh, Idon't like that word, I don't
like the grind, it's just abuzzword.
But the truth is man like uh,you know, men were made to work
you know, that's the work I meanthat's, that's when I'm the
happiest.
You know like it's.
It's one of those things whereyou can either choose to uh, I
(26:01):
don't know you can.
You can choose to hate it, oryou can choose to embrace it and
uh, there is a lot of truth tothe sayings.
You know, find something youenjoy doing and you won't work.
Uh, I mean it's still work.
Like I enjoy mowing my yard,sam.
Like a lot of people don't knowhow much time I spend outside.
Like I I enjoy.
You know it looks like what Ido is very simple, you know,
(26:23):
because you get on here and youtalk or use technology for your
benefit.
But the reality is I've been.
You know, come from the bluecollar world.
My parents were blue collarfolks, for sure.
You know we started out when myparents got married in a single
white trailer, had no airconditioning.
That's kind of the same way meand my wife started out.
You know we hadn't gained toomuch in 20 years.
(26:46):
You know, um, and who was itthat posted something?
Darren Warren posted somethingthe other day was talking about
how he could see the cracksthrough the holes in the floor
when he was growing up and tosee where he's come to from then
to now and I think about my ownjourney.
You know it's, it's, it's stillthe Lord's right.
(27:15):
It's his time, it's his money,it's his business.
You know what good are we of itIf we're not good stewards?
You know he gives, he takesaway and I think at the end of
the day you just have to givethat really to.
You have to give it all to God.
You gotta give me a family.
You gotta give him your work,you gotta give him your life,
you gotta give him your.
You know, if he, if he's not inthe conversation, then I don't
(27:45):
really make sense of life atthis point.
Yeah, oh, I guess, is what I'msaying.
I'm too far gone.
I don't know how to go back.
It's like our pastor said onetime.
He said you know, once you havean experience with the Lord,
sin doesn't even feel as good asit used to.
You know, you try to go back tothat lifestyle.
It doesn't even interest you.
Sam Byler (28:06):
I had a conversation with a really good friend of
mine.
In fact it's the guy thatbought me out of the out of my
shed business.
He's been on a journey the lastcouple of years.
That's been cool to see too.
And the fact that we can soquick in our Christian life.
I mean, let's just admit it,we're Christians.
(28:28):
We would be nothing without theLord in our lives.
I can't even fathom and wetalked about this yesterday with
my brother-in-law's a littlebit I can't even fathom how I
would operate without having theLord.
I've got nothing, I'm not asteward of anything.
All of a sudden, I'mresponsible for all this stuff.
(28:49):
He makes me responsible, butultimately, he's responsible.
As long as I do what he tellsme to do, I don't have to worry
about it and to think thatthere's I can't.
I can't even imagine doing whatI do today without having the
Lord in my life, without havingsomebody I can rant and yell at
(29:10):
and be like what do you want meto do here?
What's going on?
And then, okay, so now flipthat around and say what if I
don't do anything, but focus onthe problems in my life, the sin
nature in my life and then themore you focus, you become what
you focus on.
So, dragging my buddy back intoit a couple of years ago, you
(29:32):
know he's like why can't we justget over some of this stuff
that we keep stumbling over?
And I'm like, because that'swhat you're focused on, that's
what you're looking at.
If you get busy and you startfocusing on the Lord and looking
at the Lord, all of a suddenthat stuff, not only does it not
become a stumbling blockanymore, but it's exactly what
you said it's all of a sudden,it's not existing, it's not even
(29:54):
there anymore.
What are you focused on?
It's not even there anymore.
What are you focused on?
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Shed Geek (31:44):
Yeah, I don't know what you're saying is ringing
very true to me in so manydifferent areas.
I tell you about.
You know, like this otherpodcast adventure that I was
considering going down, I don'tknow if I told the audience.
I don't know what I've toldthem at this point.
What I haven't, I don't know.
We bought a church.
That's where I'm sitting rightnow.
We bought a church.
It's crazy, right, ahundred-year-old church.
(32:07):
It's cool.
I love it.
Started in 1925.
We were looking for a building.
My son was also looking for ahome and there was an apartment
building that had a retail storebelow it that we were looking
at buying.
And then, all of a sudden, therealtor says there's a church
over here and I'm like, a churchturns out as a Church of God,
(32:27):
which I actually went to, aChurch of God.
But there's two different Churchof Gods.
There's one out of Anderson,Indiana, which kind of operates
more under kind of like the um,um, I don't know, like Lutheran,
maybe you know, kind of uh,methodist.
And then there's church got outof Cleveland, Tennessee, which
(32:48):
is a charismatic, you know,Pentecostal movement, um and uh,
this was under the Anderson,Indiana, and it had been the
church for 100 years and,honestly, the church fell in
turmoil, you know, and throughCOVID it ultimately shut it down
and you know, and it's sad tosee because no one ever tells
the story of what happens to achurch whenever it loses its
(33:10):
ability to be a church after 100years.
That's kind of a, you know, asad story.
Selling all the pews sellingall the stuff, you know, like
all these they had historicaldata that went back 60, 80 years
of ledgers and different thingsthat just sat here.
I mean, their checkbooks werestill here.
The accounts weren't open,obviously, but they were still
(33:31):
left here, you know, and it waskind of amazing to see the
pastor's, you know collection ofbooks and stuff.
I'm actually this desk is thepastor's desk.
We saved it and I used it asmine.
The bookshelf behind me was hisbookshelf.
We tried to keep some of theoriginal stuff, but I woke up
after six months one day andsaid why don't I buy a church?
I don't what happened there.
(33:52):
I don't, I don't know like whathappened.
Well, my son works for us,lives in the basement of the
church.
He can keep an eye on thebuilding, plus, he works for the
business.
So that's kind of cool, he's 20, makes good, good work for him.
We've fixed up one wing of itso far for our offices and I'm
like, well, this is workingreally good.
(34:12):
But then I was getting, you knowI was, I was getting the idea
one night of like, how can I bemore involved in using
podcasting to spread the gospel?
Or you know, I've never beencalled a pastor, Sam.
I've never been called a pastor, but I think we're all called
to evangelize, and I've been.
(34:33):
You know I've also struggledwith the church home.
To be perfectly honest with you, I've struggled with it.
I did go to one particularchurch for about 10 years, and
we still visit them, but youknow, we're not actively in that
church.
And because I struggled withthat, it was so weird because I
was like man, could we do like apodcast, like a podcast, church
(34:55):
, church podcast, something likethat.
I was like I don't know, Idon't mean church as in
traditional church, but I meanmaybe you know like we still
encourage people to gocorporately worship, you know,
with people.
But a lot of churches actuallycreate a podcast, you know, uh,
to get the word out to community, and I thought maybe we could
do that for people who've justbeen through similar experiences
(35:18):
and started getting thisthought in my head about podcast
church.
Church pod bought a church ofGod building used to go to a
church of God.
It hit me one night at threeo'clock in the morning church of
.
I went and looked up and lookedup the url and it was already
(35:39):
bought and there was a guy whowas already doing something
similar at a stained- glassmirror inside of a podcast mic.
Reached out to him for aboutthree weeks.
First time I reached out to himhe didn't answer God.
I told God, there we go.
I did my job moving on and uh,he said no, didn't give me any
peace till I reached out.
I contact the guy, and he saidwell, you're relentless, aren't
you?
(35:59):
And I said yeah, and he saidyou know, this is interesting
what you do and your podcast andall that.
And he said you know, church ofPod has kind of just been
dormant for three or four years.
I actually did an interview withhim on that podcast, and he
said, if nothing else, you'veinspired me to get back at it
and go back to the vision thatGod gave me with this.
(36:22):
So, he's talking to me aboutco-hosting with him and, I don't
know, we're probably going tohave him on the podcast on here,
because I found out he doesmarketing in the post frame
world.
What a small world doesmarketing in the post frame
world?
And I was just like, so heseems like a really awesome guy.
We had conversation; he did aninterview with me and I'm
excited.
(36:42):
I'm hoping that it takes off.
I don't know if we're going tobe involved with it.
I'm thinking I'm thinking aboutgetting back into sales, but
I'm thinking about doing itdifferently.
We've got all this space, thissanctuary, out here.
We know all these people and wereally know all this digital
and online stuff and I'm askingmyself why aren't we just using
(37:04):
the talents?
One of the one of the biggestthings I hear a lot of times is
like the leads aren't working.
Sales blames the marketing forleads and marketing always says
the sales goes back and forth.
And you, you know this isconstantly, constantly going to
happen.
It's not going to change.
I'm thinking, man, we see guysthat are having closing ratios
(37:26):
of yeah, off the charts, andthen some guys that are spending
the same ad budget and notseeing anything, and I'm
questioning, you know, should wejust jump in and take over that
?
Online sales?
I would imagine there's 10companies out there that would
want to work with us almostimmediately to be able to do
(37:48):
this, cause we've got the onlineexpertise, Sam, but I'm praying
about it Cause I won't make aliving.
It doesn't matter if I can makemoney.
Money's not the only driver ofmy ambition, you know.
So I'm asking myself what canbe done with it, how, what can
be expanded?
Can we help more people with it?
(38:08):
Can we be more charitable?
Can we create a job?
Can we?
Can we do the job?
Should we do the job?
I don't know there's I won't doanything without God's
permission.
And that's when people knowabout me in public and private,
if they know me very well.
So I just thought I'd throwthat out there while we're just
talking, just to be talking.
Uh, I don't know.
(38:28):
I don't know if we're gonna godown that road or not.
I don't know if the church ofpod thing's gonna open up.
I'm just really staying open toGod's will and just kind of what
you want to do, man, I'm, yeah,I think I'm over my days of
waking up at two and threeo'clock in the morning and
shaking my fist in the air, God,asking what do you want?
(38:49):
You know, what do you want fromme?
Leave me alone, what do youwant?
I'm just at a point now towhere I'm like hey, man,
whatever you want, I know you'llmake the way.
So go ahead and go ahead andmake it.
Lord, I'll just do my best tofollow and hopefully I can
represent you and your kingdomwell along the way.
(39:09):
Hopefully I don't mess it up,because sometimes it's in the
way.
You know, I try to stay out ofthe way, but sometimes I get in
the way.
Sam Byler (39:17):
Yeah, you know, that's a prime example for me
also for, like, coming off ofnine months of donating tiny
houses.
You know to people andeverybody's like, why don't you
do this full time?
You know you're good at this,why don't you do this all the
time?
And it's like, yeah, why don'tI do this all the time?
(39:37):
And you know you're like, allright, Lord, if you want this to
happen, we got to have this,this, this and this happen.
If you don't want it to happen,I'm good with that too.
And it's like you know what?
Why wasn't I getting any callsto rebuild trucks while I was in
the middle of doing that?
And now, all of a sudden, Ihaven't told anybody that I'm
(40:01):
getting back into rebuildingtrucks or doing that or that we
weren't doing it.
During that time Most peopledidn't know I had three projects
sitting in the shop that werewaiting to get done.
They weren't on a timeframe,but I had three projects that
were sitting in the shop tofinish up.
That the day we lost power fromthe storm.
You know we're back working onthose projects now.
(40:23):
I never told anybody I quit, andI never really told anybody I
started again.
I did say that Aaron's back toworking in the shop and we're
getting back into the groove alittle bit, so to speak.
But it was never officially oneway or the other.
But it is amazing to me how Godjust moves If you're willing
and you're not just beating ondoors or not walking at all.
(40:45):
You have to move a little bit.
It is amazing how God just putsstuff in my hand, and we just
keep proceeding with it where itgoes.
You know what, if you'resupposed to do sales, it'll all
fall together and six monthsfrom now they'll be like what's
Shannon doing in sales?
What's he doing in rent and loan?
What's he doing in marketing?
(41:06):
It doesn't take a genius me I'mnot a genius to see that where
you're at today is just whereGod has led you to be Dylan
Street.
He called me out of the bluethe other day.
I haven't talked to him in sixmonths.
He decides just to call me upand tell me a little bit about
where he's at in life, some ofhis personal stuff going on, and
(41:29):
it was just great to talk tohim outside of industry stuff
and to understand that God'sjust moving us along and we're
just okay with it.
Shed Geek (41:47):
You know, young guy I say young because he's younger
than me I guess he's about 10years younger than me, you know
full of drive and passion, andfor him, you know, so much
changed with what he calls likehis Damascus Road change in his
(42:09):
life, going from prison anddrugs and all these terrible
things to really pushing peopleinto recovery centers and being
an advocate for the community.
And, uh, you know, and, and onething I find is that, like it's
, it's hard to you know, to getpeople to offer grace for a lot
(42:33):
of that.
You know, uh, apple doesn'tfall far from the tree.
Know what I mean.
Like what, what I think I thinkI'm quoting this right it's, uh
, I think it's mark 6, 22 thatsays no man is without honor
except in, uh, his hometown,among his family and his friends
.
And this goes back to, you know, book of James and Jesus's own
(42:56):
brother, not believing him to be.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
And like that's the problemwith being in front of your home
crowd a lot of times is likesome people will never forgive
you for the things that you'vedone.
Right, you know.
And like, uh, you know, but hehas, you know, attempted to give
back more than he ever tookright from the community,
(43:19):
because he had this Damascusroad thing and I just love to
see his uh, his uh, talent, um,his ambitiousness.
You know, and uh and uh, it, it, it feeds others, it feeds
others him.
So, I'm glad you had thatconversation because, yeah, he's
(43:42):
had a rough year, but he is.
Sam Byler (43:46):
I mean, it's the same way with your RTO guys Titus
and Justin and Josh.
Those guys same thing.
God just puts the right peoplein place.
Shed Geek (43:58):
You know, I couldn't have asked for better partners.
Uh, through that, through thatopportunity you know, to, to, to
get to know them and meet them,and the way things worked out.
And, um, you know, here Ithought, here I thought I was at
, you know, ground zero and hadno opportunity.
And I'll tell you what man I'vebeen pleasantly surprised at
(44:19):
conversations I've been able tohave that I wish I could say.
I wish I could just be an open.
I am an open book, but I wish Icould be an open book for the
case of others.
There's some people that ask mequestions or want to work with
me and they don't want thatknown and I and look, I, even
saying that today is kind ofvulnerable because they might be
(44:40):
like I don't want people tostart asking him who that is,
but it's been.
I've sat in some offices thathave surprised even me and I'm
appreciative for those folks whobelieve that they see something
there that's worthy of havingme to sit with them and talk.
And, um, some that probablywould never come on the podcast,
(45:03):
some that would rather haveconversation quietly.
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Challenger when we went toPennsylvania, this would have
been me and Kyle to interviewwith Dave at SmartPay.
He had flown us up there.
This is years ago this is evenbefore you came on to SmartPay
(47:04):
and we were talking about ourjourney back then and how long
it had felt and how crazy it hadbeen, and we were talking about
writing a book back then longit had felt and how crazy it had
been and we were talking aboutwriting a book Back then.
Sam Byler (47:18):
That's what I'm laughing about.
Shed Geek (47:20):
You could have told me what the next five years was
going to be.
You know that was back then.
I remember we were creatingtopics and the one topic that
came up was the backbiting andthe bad side of the industry.
And I was like, oh, I remembersaying I don't think we should
talk about those things.
(47:40):
I don't think that that woulddo any good.
You got to worry about gettingsued.
You got to make sure you don'tdrop names.
You gotta operate in so muchmystery.
I was like I don't know ifthat's, if that's, a good cause,
but it does linger theinability for people to
(48:02):
communicate effectively and getalong well or have fallout or
turmoil, and I think it reallysays something about who you are
in the moment.
Like when turmoil happens, whatdoes your heart prepare you for
?
You know there was a time whereI would lose to somebody, and I
(48:27):
would go.
We're going to go after them,and I've heard other people talk
like that in the industry too,or have those same experiences,
and I'm happy to say that nowI'm, uh, at a place in my mind
where I just tell people why goafter them.
(48:47):
You know God doesn't bless that.
What, like that's just ourhuman nature to want to like,
prove something to somebody andI'm like I don't care.
I don't care now, Sam, becauseI'm like hey man, I wish them
well, but we have, me and youboth, experienced a lot of the
(49:09):
if you want to call itbackbiting going to call it
backbiting, oh gosh, downrightrude, mean, mischievous things.
You just you can't go throughlife and not experience those.
But my heart still comes backto how can we avoid those things
(49:32):
and make for a better industry?
uh, because I don't think thatpeople are, are mean or rude
most of the time I there's asaying that says people don't do
things to you, they do thingsfor themselves, and, and I think
even being offended is a choice.
Yeah, you know.
And I think it's like, how canwe, uh, how can we just be
(49:55):
better as an industry?
And like, every time I say thatI get hit right out of left
field with some thing I didn'tsee coming, that you're like,
well, that makes me angry.
But how do I respond to that?
As opposed to being, you know,letting that situation control
your thoughts, I just I don'teven care anymore.
(50:16):
I'm just at a place to whereI'm like, I don't know the.
The only thing I can control isme, how I react, and I just
want to try to be kind to eventhose who, uh, well, I just told
you about this before.
Well, you know, you know I wastoo dumb or too stupid for the
(50:39):
hellfire and brimstone preachersto quote unquote scare the hell
out of me saying like you know,I never really felt like I.
I know that the beginning ofknowledge is the fear of the
Lord and, and I understand that,but it really wasn't the
hellfire and brimstone, or youbetter get right, or else that
(51:00):
affected me or that brokethrough.
It was love.
It was love.
It was agape love.
It was forgiveness when Ididn't deserve it.
Those things broke my heart.
When Jesus forgave me for mysin nature, my Judas nature,
when God forgave me for that andsaid you're welcome, you have a
(51:20):
place, you have a home.
That breaks a man Because youknow you don't deserve it.
You know you don't deserveforgiveness and yet still you
got it.
So, who would I be to holdforgiveness from anyone ever at
this point in my life?
The problem is I got to try tomix that with not being stupid.
(51:40):
Be forgiving, but how manytimes do you go back to the well
before you say wait a minute,I'm going to love you, but, but
I'm gonna love you from adistance and I'm sorry about
that.
You know.
That's just the intelligence Ifeel like god's given me to say
(52:03):
be forgiving, don't be forgetfulyeah so this kind of goes back
to something I know he's gonnahave any conversation on, which
is before the topic of the callMe, and you spent 25 minutes
talking about the Lord and thesevery things, and, yeah, that's
just.
Uh.
Where do we, how do we getthere in the shed industry?
(52:24):
I don't, I don't really know.
I hate seeing turmoil.
I hate seeing people not getalong and what I do is I try to
fix it and you're not.
I get this from my mother.
She's amazing, but my mom willtake on the burdens of two
people not getting along and Iwill tell her mom, it's not your
burden.
These are grown men and womentrying to fix it.
(52:48):
They are capable of fixing itthemselves.
You are not responsible forthis, and you can't fix it
anyway.
I don't know how we got on thatjourney, but at their selves,
you are not responsible for thisand you can't fix it.
You can't fix it Anyway.
I don't know how we got on thatjourney, but I hope somebody's
blessed by it, because maybethey are.
Sam Byler (53:04):
Relationships, business relationships.
When I think about the mostimportant relationship I have
here on Earth after myrelationship with my Lord is
with my wife, and how easy it isfor that to get manipulated,
(53:24):
you know through just notunderstanding um or one of us,
you know just going on a tangentI mean we're talking about the
most important relationship Ihave and the easiest one I have
and how easy it is for it to getderailed sometimes.
Why do we not understand thatthis can happen just as easily
(53:48):
in our other relationships?
You know, don't credit.
So, I open my mouth and saysome stupid stuff sometimes and
she takes that to be vindictiveor that I'm trying to do
something.
You know that I'm trying tomanipulate her or something, and
it's just pure stupidity.
You know, don't blame.
If you see what I'm there.
(54:09):
There's a phrase that come up onone of my posts just recently I
don't want to quote it thatHerb Epley said it because, no,
it was John Schmidt said itSomething about don't blame all
this other stuff, vindictiveness, whatever it is, manipulation
on just pure stupidity.
I just said something dumb,that's all it is, and you're
(54:31):
like, oh man, this guy's out toget me or this guy see something
, that's all it is and you'relike, oh man, this guy's out to
get me or this guy see something, sorry.
And how hard it is to keep thatrelationship going.
How much harder and easier itis at the same time to ruin
other relationships with peoplethat we don't have near as much
interaction with, or whatever.
Shed Geek (54:57):
You follow what I'm saying so much so, Sam, that I
fear having this conversation onthis podcast today and somebody
sees something in me six monthsor a year from now that doesn't
line up with this.
I understand what you're sayingso much that I regret the
future Shannon that says or doessomething that makes somebody
think he talks all this talk butthen he doesn't walk all this
walk.
It's like, yeah, I'm not perfectyeah and I, and I may react out
(55:21):
of anger or frustration to asituation or something that you
see and then all of a sudden,it's like well, there goes that
that you know that's wherethey're.
The world definitely talks alot about this.
Oh, there's that old Christianmentality.
Sam Byler (55:35):
Yeah.
Shed Geek (55:36):
You know, and you're just like, well, yeah, because
I've got to walk around in thisperfect, you know, like light
all the time.
It's just, it's really not me.
Like, please take me off thatpedestal.
Yeah, let me mess up becauseI'm going to.
Sam Byler (55:56):
You know what?
It took me 35 years to figureout, and I don't know if you
read my post about it the otherday, but I made a post about it
the other day.
Well, the post is yeah, thepost is about that, but there's
some other stuff in there too.
What took me 35 years to figureout is the number one tool that
my wife has to make ourmarriage strong is that she lets
(56:18):
me fail.
Shed Geek (56:20):
I did read that.
I absolutely did, yeah.
Sam Byler (56:23):
Bomb, yeah, yeah, if I don't.
So, it's easy for me to let herfail because, number one, she
lets me lead.
So, when we fail, it's my faultand it's catastrophically.
You know she fails, it's alittle bump in the road.
(56:44):
Nah, I'm fine with that, youknow whatever?
Um, but if, if I'm telling you,man, I'm starting to see the
tip of an iceberg of probablythe biggest issue we have with
relationships is the fact thatyou know, and I've preached for
years, that we judge othersbased off of their actions and
(57:10):
we judge ourselves based off ofour intention.
Yeah, you follow what I'msaying.
There's a huge difference inwhat I intend to do and what
actually ends up happening.
But at the same time, I holdyou to what you did, not on what
you intended.
You follow what I'm saying.
(57:30):
So, I've preached that part ofit for years.
What I haven't really wrapped myhead around until here just
recently is how much she justlets me fail.
She's like, ok, you want to dothis, we'll do this, and there
was times I didn't even ask her.
There's stuff that I'm doing.
Today that's one of my eggsthat doesn't have her blessings
(57:51):
on it, and someday it's astruggle, but the more I learn
to trust her and say, look,here's what I want to do.
I think we can do this, this,this, this.
And then she's, like you know,four years later it's a complete
bust.
And she could say I told you so.
(58:11):
She never has.
But it's the fact that she'swilling to let me fail at what I
do, and I don't think we'regoing to wrap our heads around
how that applies.
Apply that to what you're doingnow with your business partners
Ouch.
Shed Geek (58:27):
Me and you are alike in that.
You know we have that Probablymy wife's been right more than
she's been wrong about thingsthat I've, if she shared with me
, you should do this, don't dothat, or something in somebody
that I don't see, and I'm like Idon't, I don't see it, I don't
(58:48):
know what you're talking about,babe, and I'm trying to be in
charge here and lead this family, and you know what I mean like
I don't, I don't get it, andthen it turns out to be right,
but it's so hard for me to likeblindly trust that you know what
I'm saying.
Like, uh, but I've been blessedin that, like I, I've been
around other guys who are likeyou know, they, they, they hide
(59:10):
even the most little tediousthings from their wife, just the
little things that doesn'treally even matter.
You know, and I'm like, why doyou?
Why do you hide that?
It's like, well, I don't wantto have the conversation and I'm
like, oh man, I'm so thankfulnot to have to have that.
I feel like I can talk with herabout anything.
She's my best friend.
(59:31):
You know, there's very littlein my life I feel like I've not
been able to take to my to mywife and really have that
conversation about.
But on a daily basis people sayI don't see how you work with
your spouse.
I'm like man, I don't see howI'd work without her.
Yeah, no, kidding, for me thatdoesn't make sense.
(59:51):
Like I, yeah, I love workingwith her.
Like she, she compliments mevery well.
She, she just takes on, uh,things without me having to ask
her.
25 years in now, you knowmarried and couldn't have picked
a better partner, to be honest.
So, you got to get them.
(01:00:13):
Yeah, man, I'm not, I'm notupset about you.
Know, my struggle has neverreally been family, it's always
been work.
Work has been the harder,harder thing for me to overcome.
But I'll tell you what manwe've really been blessed with
shed geek you, as part of thatstructure, I'm super happy to
(01:00:36):
keep you on.
Do this once a month, whetherit's a mixture of monologues or
dialogues between me and you oreven an interview between you
and someone else, just kind ofkeeping that out there in the
air.
And I've told you, even if wedecide to just put it to bed,
you're welcome back here anytime.
I mean, anybody who's been onthe Shed Geek is welcome back
(01:01:00):
anytime.
I hope that we haveconversations.
That encourages you, inspiresyou.
Some days you're going to hearabout products.
Some days you're going to hearabout services.
Some days you're going to hearabout marketing, rent, finance,
who knows?
You know solar blaster fans,you name it.
But then some days you're gonnayou know, you're just gonna
(01:01:21):
hear about coaching or it'sgonna be very matter of fact
about our lives and trying to beI don't know man.
It's worked well for five yearsand we've just I don't see any
reason to change it.
I will.
I will repeat this message ahundred times over If you don't
like that we pray.
If you don't like we talk aboutJesus, then don't advertise
(01:01:44):
with me, we don't care.
Yeah, no kidding.
Sorry if that seems very blunt,but your business is not more
important than Jesus.
Sam Byler (01:01:55):
Yep.
Shed Geek (01:01:56):
Sorry about your luck so um, if you do have a
business and you believe inJesus, maybe you should
advertise.
Well, you know, hey, I get it,I get, I get the pr people do
what they do.
Sam Byler (01:02:07):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Shed Geek (01:02:10):
Uh, you know like a religious fanatic.
It it's like well, I don't know, I like the saying.
You know, if you had to beconvicted of being a Christian
today, would there be anyevidence to convict you of such
a thing?
That's true, and I would justlike to say I sure hope so.
(01:02:33):
I sure hope I've been giventhis platform To be able to
spread the joy of Christ and theword of the Gospel, because if
I don't give him His first, youknow what he's owed.
I don't feel like that.
It's blessed moving forward.
So now, with that said Again,please allow the grace to for us
(01:02:56):
to be imperfect, because Lordknows we are.
Woo, uh, harry, what is this?
Is it a?
Sam Byler (01:03:03):
Oh gosh, I can't think of his name.
Shed Geek (01:03:06):
Oh, it's terrible.
I got the book back here andI've said it a hundred times
Philip Yancey prayers Do theymake any difference?
Yeah, anyway, the pastor, famepastor.
I can't think of his name rightnow, but he used to always pray
the message Sam.
He said before he'd get up andspeak in front of people.
He'd say, lord, forgive me, orthank you for the opportunity to
(01:03:31):
speak in front of these people,because if these people knew
about me, the things that youknew about me, they wouldn't
listen to a word I'm about tosay and that's the way I feel
before every podcast that I dois if, if people knew about me
with Lord, do about me, theyreally wouldn't care to listen
to anything I have to say.
But because of his grace, hismercies that are made new every
(01:03:52):
day, it gives us a chance to geton here, talk about him, talk
about his mission as the greatcommission, but also talk about
things that we find inspiringand lovable to us, which is the
shed industry, the carportindustry, the industries we've
built in, and I hope that peoplefind that worthy enough to
listen to.
And if you don't, thank you foryour time.
And if you do, thank you foryour time and, if you do, thank
(01:04:14):
you for your time.
Sam Byler (01:04:16):
Yep.
Shed Geek (01:04:16):
I agree.
Well, I guess that pretty wellwraps up our thoughts for the
day.
I don't know.
We had no agenda going intothis.
We wanted to tell people thatwe were going to one, one a
month, and I always enjoy ourconversations.
People don't realize me.
And you talk for 30 minutesbefore we even talk.
Sam Byler (01:04:37):
This is true, and my hood is supposed to be here in
two minutes.
Shed Geek (01:04:42):
Well then, let's get out of here.
I'm going to say a quick wordGet us out of here, yeah, get us
out of your day, lord.
Thank you for this day, theopportunity.
Lord, bless this business.
Bless Sam and all his endeavorsas he continues.
Thank you for his friendship.
Thank you for the friendshipsaround the industry.
Pray that you keep us on thestraight and narrow, keep us
(01:05:02):
doing what's right in the nextright thing and all
opportunities.
Thank you for your son, JesusChrist, who came and died for
our sins.
Sam Byler (01:05:11):
In Jesus' name, amen, amen, go get your hood and
let's talk soon.
All right, See ya.
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