Why do some leaders thrive in ambiguity, and how can you build that same capability across your organization? In this episode, Natalie sits down with Elizabeth Harz, CEO of Veriato, to explore what it really takes to lead through continuous transformation. Elizabeth’s career has spanned enterprise technology, digital media, gaming, edtech, and now insider-risk management and behavioral intelligence. Throughout each chapter, she’s built a repeatable yet flexible approach to change, grounded in curiosity, structured communication, and deep respect for leadership as a discipline. Together, Natalie and Elizabeth unpack the realities of guiding organizations through fast-moving environments, especially in a world where change no longer has a clear endpoint. They also discuss Veriato’s evolution, the shifting landscape of security, and the growing need for proactive, behavior-driven insight inside modern companies.
Takeaways:
- Treat leadership as a discipline, not an instinct. Elizabeth emphasizes that strong leadership requires intentional skill-building, just like product development or finance.
- Normalize change and get comfortable with ambiguity. The real work is creating clarity of vision, psychological safety, and an honest acknowledgment that some team members will opt in at different speeds.
- Use your network as a strategic asset. Elizabeth highlights the value of both formal and informal networks for navigating complex decisions. When challenges arise, trusted peers can accelerate clarity.
- Involve the organization early and often. Listening tours surfaced the insights, skepticism, and creativity needed to shape the path ahead.
- Create early wins to build belief. Skeptics often become the strongest champions once they see progress.
Links:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eharz/
- Website: https://veriato.com/
Ways to Tune In:
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This show is sponsored by Magnetude Consulting, bringing you the thinking-Power of a Growth Consultancy and the Getting-It-Done Power of a full-service B2B Marketing Agency.
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