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September 5, 2023 17 mins

Welcome to the first official episode of the Sober Positive Workplace Series brought to you by Show Up and Stay and hosted by President and Co-Founder, DeAnn Knighton. This week is a quick background on the host and some general information about the Sober Positive Workplace project. 

  • When we use the power of normalization to change the narrative. 1:46
    • Of the 46 million Americans who struggle with at least one substance use disorder, 60% of those over the age of 12 have a job, according to the National Survey on Drug Use.    Source:  https://fortune.com/longform/drug-addiction-recovery-workplace-support/
    • Historically when we talk about drug epidemics like the one we find ourselves in now, we create a discourse that builds stigma and distance.
    • What is a Sober Positive Workplace.
      • "Before we talk about what it is, I want to talk about what it is not. It is not a call for the return of prohibition. It's not virtue signaling or a plan to encourage additional exclusionary practices or judgments about an individual's choice."
  • Benefits to the organization and employees. 5:24
    • Benefits to the organization: 
      • increased productivity
      • reduced liability
      • improved retention
      • better recruitment
      • building a culture of inclusion
      •  normalizing the alcohol-free lifestyle.
    • Community-based recovery advocacy.
    • The distance that is created between those who drink and those who don't is part of the reason that there are so many issues around it.
    • How to navigate conversations around drinking.
  • The more open I became, the more acceptance I found. 9:41
    • DeAnn shares some background and insight from her own story 
    • The more open DeAnn got about it, the more acceptance she found, and she became more comfortable with herself as a sober person.
    • She learned something really big over time about her unhealthy connection with work. 
  • The shift to a sober positive workplace. 13:40
    • DeAnn's bio.
    • DeAnn is president and co-founder of Show up and Stay, a nonprofit focused on finding ways to bridge recovery gaps between healing from substance use disorder and starting the process of healing




 

If you have questions or comments or would like to be a guest on the Recovery Discovery Podcast, send an email to:
deann@showupandstay.org

More information about our project is available at:
https://www.showupandstay.org/
https://www.soberpositiveworkplace.org/

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DeAnn Knighton (00:06):
Oh hello, this is the sober positive workplace
series brought to you by Show Upand Stay. I'm your host Deann
Knighton. Normalization hasbecome one of my favorite words
recently. It has workingdefinitions that reaches

(00:27):
biology, data science and thesocial sciences. But most
simply, it's a process thatmakes something more normal or
regular. It it's a word weshould use more often to
describe individuals,organizations institutions that
are using the power ofnormalization. To contribute. I

(00:49):
like to consider myself anormalizer. It was a conscious
choice I made when I decided totalk about my issues with
substance use and mental health.
It gets me out of bed each dayto think that maybe just one
person will listen to a podcastepisode, read a blog post, and
hopefully feel seen andunderstood. Even just a little.
And maybe it will be just enoughto propel them forward to what

(01:14):
they really want. Normalizationas a tool has the power for
healing both the individual andthe collective. It may not seem
like a big deal to be anorganization that has happy
hours that are more inclusivefor those who don't drink or who
encourages pure advocacy. But itis it is the butterfly effect
that shines light into neglectedcorners and slowly shifts the

(01:41):
conversations that we arehaving. When we use the power of
normalization to change thenarrative about complex and
often taboo subjects, we aredoing important work. Substance
Use Disorder impacts all of usin an August 4 2023 article
published by Fortune Magazine,journalist Erica Frye lays out

(02:04):
important details surroundingthe realities of the deep
reaching implications ofsubstance use as it relates to
work. Begin quote of the 46million Americans who struggle
with at least one substance usedisorder. Most some 60% of those
over the age of 12 have a jobaccording to the National Survey

(02:26):
on Drug Use and Health. That isan uncomfortably and largely
unacknowledged reality inAmerican business. We're talking
about addiction to alcohol ordrugs has traditionally been
taboo. And, quote, I'm yet tomeet an individual that cannot
in some way relate to thisissue. It's everywhere yet

(02:46):
simultaneously, it seems to benowhere. Especially not in our
workplace conversations,especially not in our wellness
conversations. Great strideshave been made in building a
deeper understanding of mentalhealth and its impact on overall
wellbeing. Meanwhile, substancemisuse although impacting at

(03:09):
least one in 10, humans directlyis monitored and relegated to
the conversations aboutscreening for the illegal
versions, while overlookingpotentially damaging causes of
the legal ones. Historically,when we talk about drug
epidemics, like the one we findourselves in now, we create a
discourse that builds stigma anddistance. A previous guest on

(03:32):
our show, Dr. Carl Eric Fisheroutlines the cycle of social
response. To this day, ourinconsistent drug policy
responses reflect distorted anddifferent understandings of
addiction. certain substancesare illegal, others are
tolerated, and alcohol andtobacco are barely considered

(03:55):
drugs at all. What is a soberpositive workplace and where do
we start? Before we talk aboutwhat it is, I first want to talk
about what it is not. It is nota call for the return of
prohibition. It's not virtuesignaling or a plan to encourage
additional exclusionarypractices or judgments about an

(04:18):
individual's choice. This is animportant distinction. This is
about bringing people togetherwithout building additional
walls, or any sort of shamingpractices. What a sober positive
workplace is, is a thoughtfulbespoke approach that's
considerate of the nuanceinvolved. It's complex and

(04:40):
necessary. It incorporatesawareness, policy, inclusion,
and safe networks. We'll talkabout each of these more
specifically. Over the course ofthe series I'll be bringing in
different guests to helpformulate what it looks like to

(05:03):
be an individual or a group ofindividuals who brings this idea
to your workplace. Being acorporate normalizer around
building more sober positiveworkplaces is a powerful and
needed example of how smallchanges can make big waves. In
addition to the social impact,it also has a far reaching

(05:26):
benefit to the organizationitself. These benefits include
increased productivity, reducedliability, improved retention,
impact on recruiting, building aculture of inclusion, it
benefits the employees work lifebalance, safety, inclusion, work
satisfaction. And for the biggerpicture, normalizing the alcohol

(05:52):
free lifestyle choice, reducesdamaging stigma, and supports
community based recoveryadvocacy. So thank you for
joining us for this journey.
This month. As we explore thistopic further in conjunction
with national recovery. Therewill be a great deal of content

(06:16):
that we will be sharing anddistributing through our

LinkedIn page (06:19):
Sober Positive Workplace , I will make sure
there's a link in the shownotes. For anyone who's
listening to these episodes, andit has interest in being
involved, please follow thatpage. That's where the meat will
be. And that's where we'll beable to begin to show we have
the types of numbers that weneed to justify and look at

(06:41):
these changes within ourorganizational structures, I
can't do it without you. Soplease take a moment to follow.
For many adults work can accountfor the majority of social
interaction. companies thatbuild teams with meaningful
connections to one another canimprove retention rates,

(07:01):
workforce productivity and jobsatisfaction. And there is a
reason to create communitybuilding outside of the
workplace, for those that worktogether. But unfortunately,
culturally, this has typicallyalways been alcohol centered.
Nothing that I'm saying today ismeant to be a lecture. I very

(07:25):
much fear that the distance thatis created between those who
drink and those who don't, ispart of the reason that we have
so many issues around it. How dowe figure out how to bridge that
a little bit? How do I somehowfigure out how to make the fact
that I don't drink not meansomething to you about you?

(07:46):
Because it doesn't. But Iremember when I was drinking,
when I would encounter peoplewho didn't drink. It said
something to me, I didn'tnecessarily want to drink around
them, because I feared theirjudgement of me. And I would
make bad jokes like, don't trusta person you can't have a drink

(08:09):
with. Yeah. I recently had ajob, where I was one of the
oldest across the company, wewere working with people,
typically between the ages of 24to 29, and a very high stress
sales environment. And drinkingwas a big part of it. I started

(08:34):
there, after I got sober, I wasstill not really in a place of
fully embracing my sobriety, orreally being ready to talk to
anybody about it, let alone astranger. But I also knew that
as I moved to a new state, andtook on this new role, that I
was going to have to figure outways to navigate conversations

(08:56):
around drinking, because it wassales. And this is what we do
was also a tool that I had usedas a sales leader many times to
connect with my youngeremployees. Being able to buy
them a drink was a kind ofpersonal touch that I could put
on the relationship that helpedcreate some loyalty and just

(09:19):
some sense of, hey, we know eachother and I got you and I see
you as a human. And I know nowthat there's other ways to do
that, but at the time, I didn'treally think there was. I did my
best to navigate it. But it wastough. There was a level of
acceptance, though, thatsurprised me in other ways. And

(09:41):
actually, the more open I gotabout it, the more acceptance I
found. And during the course ofmy time with the organization, I
became more and more comfortablewith myself as a sober person. I
did a lot of work on myself. Andso I was able to kind of come
into my identity and just bemore comfortable talking about
The fact that I'm a person whoshouldn't drink alcohol, and not

(10:03):
really worrying too much aboutit. So, it's hard for people
sometimes. And it did play intomy feelings of outside sadness
and potential that maybe thiswas something that was holding
me back from being able toreally integrate into this new
company. But I learned somethingreally big. Over time, as I

(10:26):
sought therapy, and did morework on myself, and came to
understand my incrediblycodependent relationship, not
only with people in my past, butalso with my identity as a
working person, that there wassomething wrong. And some of the
things that I had experienced,leading up to my sobriety and my

(10:46):
past work reflected that when Ilooked closely at it, I had
built too much around my worklife, I had not set boundaries,
I had not taken care of myselfat all. Because I hated myself.
I valued everyone else'sexperience over mine. And I

(11:07):
hadn't really built upappropriate skills of how to
connect with people. With theexception of that one easy
neutralizing tool of alcohol, Ibecame more and more embodied
during the years there. And Ibecame more and more specific
about my own need. And everysingle time that I spoke up for
myself, despite my absolutehorror in doing so, I was amazed

(11:33):
at how responsive people were. Iwas amazed at how much more
confident I felt because Iwasn't devaluing myself. I
wasn't feeling like I had tocreate unrealistic ways to
connect with people. Becausethis was just work, I finally
had an appropriate relationshipwith the idea of work. For those

(11:58):
who have not followed this showup and say a podcast, I think
it's important for me tointroduce myself a little bit.
It's funny, I did an episode ofthe show up and say a podcast
called Meet your hosts, the veryfirst one I did. And it was a
reflection of a lot of the workthat I had done to that point as

(12:21):
it related to my own recoveryfrom substance use disorder. And
as the show has progressed, alot has changed for me along the
way, including how I'm spendingmy time and my focus. I won't
spend a lot of time here talkingabout my own story. I really
want this to be about movingforward, not rehashing my past

(12:44):
too much. However, if you wereto go back and listen, you would
hear that by the time I got tothe second season, I was dealing
with my own issues surroundingmy recovery, trying to figure
out how to sustain the momentuma few years in and dealing with

(13:04):
some pretty big life changes, alot of which connected to my
work, and how I wanted to moveforward in the world. My own
story involves treatment,therapy, and a lot of personal
development. It also involved afairly significant period of
self reflection, while I livedalone during COVID, and a great

(13:29):
deal of dependency on so many ofthe burgeoning resources and
ways to recover, that felt andlooked so different from what I
had even experienced. In thefirst couple of years of
recovery, the shift has beensignificant. Another important
factor to note that hascontributed to getting me to

(13:51):
this project of sober positiveworkplace here and now. It is my
own personal desire tounderstand as much about the
issue of addiction as possible,not only because of the impact
that it had for me, but forothers in my life that I care
about deeply. It's an issue thatno one group of people or person

(14:15):
can solve. It's endless work.
It's a lot more questions thananswers. And it's a lot more
ambiguity than concretesolutions. But after 20 years in
a corporate environment, workingmy way up as a sales leader.
I've decided to officially makethe shift in my life. The

(14:36):
beautiful thing about it is thatnothing changes the experiences
that I've had up until now. Ilearned so much in that first
act. A lot of things I wish Icould take back. But what I've
learned in recovery, is that thebest way is to integrate these
things into the human I am nowso I'm attempting to bring

(14:58):
together my past and my brethreninto hopefully a future that
provides the right type ofgenerativity to my life, that I
can feel good about how I spendthese final years as a working
human. That was a longintroduction leading up to my

(15:20):
bio as it stands today, in thismoment, here is what it is. My
name is Deann Knighton, I am ahuman in recovery. I have a
loving supporting partner, alsoin recovery. And I have the gift
of being a bonus parent to twoamazing little humans, age 10

(15:43):
and seven. I have found a pathto recovery from my issues with
addiction. But I still strugglewith anxiety and depression.
Life is still hard sometimes,but at least I show up for it.
And for the most part, I likemyself these days. I care deeply
for the community that struggleswith substance use disorder. I

(16:09):
have met the most amazing peoplein my life through the process
of recovery. I'm an experiencedsales leader who is now a
graduate student at HazeldenBetty Ford Graduate School of
Addiction Atudies, where I willbe completing a master arts in
addiction counseling, inclusiveof integrated recovery for

(16:31):
co-occurring disorders. I ampresident and co founder of Show
Up and Stay a nonprofit focusedon finding ways to bridge
recovery gaps. Those spaces thatexist between healing from a
substance and starting theprocess of healing our lives.
Were a mix of science andtechnology, but mostly

(16:55):
storytelling and heart. SoberPositive Workplace is our newest
area of focus. I'm drawing onpast experience, expertise and
knowledge from the amazingpeople who are already doing

(17:20):
work in this space and alsoleaning on the support from very
talented team of individuals.
For more information, pleasevisit our website. Sober
positive workplace.org show upand stay.org This podcast is
written Created and produced byDeAnn featuring music from the
wickedly talented Katie Hare
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