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DR. JENN IS A BREAST SURGEON, INTEGRATIVE ONCOLOGIST, AUTHOR, PODCAST HOST, AND FOUNDER OF PERFEQTION IMAGING. Dr. Jenn Simmons is a pioneering force in the world of breast cancer care. Once a renowned breast cancer surgeon, Dr. Jenn transformed her practice after her own journey as a patient, becoming an integrative oncologist with a mission to revolutionize breast cancer diagnosis, treatment, and screening. DR. JENN is the author of the best-selling book, "The Smart Woman's Guide to Breast Cancer," hailed as a must-read for anyone navigating this challenging journey. As the host of the insightful podcast "KEEPING ABREAST WITH DR. JENN," she shares her expertise and passion for holistic health. Dr. Jenn's Notes from the Sidelines:
- If you have a diagnosis, small things matter. If you try to change everything at once, it'll be a disaster. Every day, be a little better.
- What you eat, and when you eat, matters. Sleep is when detoxification happens. Your body can't do it if it's busy digesting food.
- How you handle stress, talk to yourself, and tell yourself stories matter.
- Sometimes, we have to amputate. There is more to toxins than chemicals. Recognize them and eliminate them.
- Health is a journey. You never arrive.
- When faced with challenges, tell yourself G-d loves you and wouldn't but these things in front of you if he didn't think you couldn't handle them.
- Try an app to restrict social media usage.
- The only way to fix a bad habit is to replace it with a better one. Crowd out, instead of cut out.
- You need to be an educated consumer because social media is filled with quackery. Bad advice is being given by well-intentioned people.
- Nonprofit does not equal non-sponsored. Nonprofit organizations are an arm of industry.
- The food pyramid is a disaster. It should be designed with what's necessary to sustain us and optimize functioning. It's not.
- Hospitals get rated and funded by good cafeteria food. If they served healthy food, patients won't need to return to the hospital, and that's bad for business.
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(00:02):
Hey ladies, my name is Jenny Chaffetz and I am the host of
Sideline Sisters. Are you a busy mom, powerhouse
professional or high achieving go getter?
This show is for no BS women whowant to be inspired to get off
the sidelines of their lives. Ever feel like you're playing
small or safe or just on autopilot?
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My guests are relatable women who've gone on a journey,
overcome challenges, and live toshare the lessons that we want
to hear. These conversations will be
funny, sad, scary, wise, encouraging, and most of all,
real. So whether you're driving, doing
chores, exercising, walking the dog, or just laying on the
(00:45):
couch, settle in and enjoy. I want to invite you to take
back your power, reignite your passions, and step off the
sidelines. Let's go.
Hey, friends, welcome to the continuation of my conversation
with Doctor Jen Simmons. If you did not catch part one
that released last week, I suggest you press pause on this
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one. Listen to that one first so that
it will be a complete conversation for you.
And it was good. We think we know a lot about
breast cancer. We think we know because of what
advertisements are. Doctors, nonprofits and news
segments tell us, but we are only hearing what they want us
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to hear. And Doctor Jen Simmons gets
real. She debunks myths and confronts
conspiracies and tells us what we need to know so that we can
hopefully avoid this disease. Or if we're faced with it, we
can address it properly and not put ourselves at even further
risk of chronic disease. Before I get into today's
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conversation, welcome. My name is Jenny Chaffetz.
I am the host of this show, so please and thank you.
And whether this is your first time tuning in or you're a long
time listener, I am so grateful that you're here and I would
love for you to take a minute ofyour time to subscribe to the
show if you haven't yet. Give it five stars.
Write a quick review and share. Share the show.
(02:13):
Share the episode with someone with a lot of people.
I really need your help to grow this show and spread these
messages far and wide. Now before I get into today's
conversation, I need to clarify something that came up last
week. I mentioned the Gentle Coaching
rebrand which includes the launch of a plant based
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lifestyle program to help women look and feel better.
So all the things that you mightbe dealing with or your friends
and family, things like bloating, inflammation, brain
fog, irritability, low energy, poor sleep and stubborn weight.
We're going to address all thosethings in a four week program.
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I had mentioned 12 week previously, but I've decided to
make this a quick start program to really get you excited about
this lifestyle and show you what's available for you now.
I get it. We live in a world that has
normalized and praised really the consumption and use of
animals for our benefit. I did not grow up thinking about
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where my food came from. I ate the hamburger, I ate the
pizza, I ate the chicken tenders.
It never occurred to me how the food got to my plate.
And that's really what's intended because my guess is if
any of us really sat in contemplation about where our
food came from, most of us wouldbe vegan.
It is very hard to reconcile theanimal agriculture industry and
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nourishment. It just doesn't equate when you
know the truth behind the package.
And so I don't want to proselytize about the injustice
of the system, but my dream, my fantasy is that you see for
yourself how satisfied you can feel consuming plant based
foods. There is such an expansive
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selection fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, nuts and
seeds and spices that we have not even begun to explore,
especially when we're consuming the same standard American diet
day in and day out. But in these four weeks, I will
show you not just how delicious plant based eating can be, but
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how easy. Because for any of the busy
women listening, especially moms, time is critical.
You don't want to be using half a dozen pots, pans and tools to
cook a meal only to then clean everything and do the whole
thing again the next day. I get that.
I relate. So I'm going to make this really
easy for you and fun and delicious and healthy.
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And you tell me for yourself howyou feel the next day, the next
week, the next month. And we're going to talk about
all the other things that go into a healthy lifestyle, the
things that Doctor Jen mentions,those foundational pieces,
sleep, stress, movement, toxins,how we talk, how we think we're
going to get into all of it. Because I am a trauma informed
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life and breath work coach and Ibelieve wholeheartedly in
somatic practices, which again, can be very easy.
Let's not overcomplicate this. I know we type a busy women tend
to do that, make things harder than they are.
My goal with this program is to give you space, four weeks of
space to see how easy it can be preparing meals for you and your
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family. So head to the show notes or go
directly to gentlecoaching.com/veganism.
Yes, I use the word veganism as triggering as it might be and
join. Just join.
Don't stop and over think it. Just join and get a friend to do
it with you because I'm offeringa referral reward.
But honestly, the rewards will be much greater than money.
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We're talking reduced inflammation.
That means aches and pains. No more bloating.
You'll sleep better, look better, your skin will glow,
your hair and nails will grow. And things like concentration,
clarity, creativity, productivity, those are the
kinds of rewards you will see. And for any of you tennis fans,
you know that the US Open is taking place right now.
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And it's funny that Doctor Jen and I mentioned Wimbledon in our
conversation, as we're talking about the overuse of plastic
water bottles especially. In professional sports, so.
If you're tuning in to any of the matches, take a look see how
many bottles each of the playersuses.
It's insane. Why can't they just reuse glass
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or stainless steel bottles? But enough about that.
Without further ado, I invite you to get comfortable.
Maybe get ready to take some notes because there's a lot in
here. And let's get into Part 2 of my
interview with Doctor Jensen. 'S I have to.
Ask. Your world is focused on breast
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cancer specifically so if let's say you or not you because you
know too much but if you're ignorant, such a not nice word
so you're. Unaware.
Less educated, unaware best friend got a legit breast cancer
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diagnosis. Like there, you know, there is a
lump. It's there and she wasn't living
the informed life that you're living.
She hadn't read your book yet. She wasn't incorporating any of
those lifestyle changes. I.
Can't believe my best friend didn't read my book.
I know I or a new best friend. This is just someone you met
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recently on vacation but you instantly clicked.
So she's a new best friend, OK. With.
Everything that you talk about in the book, we're talking food,
sleep, meditation, exercise, Emfs, plastic, the exercise
clothes you wear. I mean, you go through a lot of
stuff and, and I will, I will say it here and you can, you can
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shut me down or, or you know, discontinue knowing me
afterwards. Some of it does sound like
voodoo. Some of it I do and I'm obsessed
with, some of it I I might push back on, but with everything
that you mentioned. What would?
Be the top few things that you would tell this new bestie with
the diagnosis to do, like yesterday.
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Yeah. So I mean, the first thing that
I'm going to say is that small things matter.
So you you're not going to change everything at once.
And if you try to change everything at once, it's going
to spell disaster, right? So we look for progress over
perfection, right? And every day be a little
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better, every week be a little better.
And that will lead to every month being a lot better, right?
And so don't try to do it all atonce.
Set small, achievable, realisticgoals.
Like if you're not working out at all now, you're not going to
do yoga two days a week, lift weights 2 days a week, and walk
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5 miles two days a week and havethe Sunday to rest like you know
God did on the 7th day. Like that's not happening,
right? But you can get a rebounder and
get on that rebounder when you open your eyes in the morning,
go pee and get on that rebounderfor two minutes every single
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day, 2 minutes. You can do 2 minutes.
You can't do 2 minutes every day.
You can put it next to your bed for all I care.
You can put it in your bathroom for all I care. 2 minutes, 2
minutes, right? So start low and slow and built
right. And ultimately what we are
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looking to do is eat real food, right?
So if you're on a highly processed diet, you're not going
to a whole food diet in a day. That's not happening.
But you can look at your plate and say, where are the
vegetables? Let me add some vegetables in,
add in crowd out, right? Because eventually those
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vegetables are going to take theplace of something that wasn't
serving you, right? So eat real food.
If you're not drinking water yet, start drinking water,
right? Replace whatever you are
drinking with water. You don't have to do it all the
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way, You don't have to do it immediately, but you have to
replace what you're drinking with water and then make sure
that your water is clean, right?So find out what's in your
water, go to the EWG, and then start to filter it right?
And these are all small things that you can do that over time
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make a huge difference. So you're going to eat real
food, you're going to drink clean water, you're going to
move your body, and you're goingto make progress in all of these
places. And what you eat matters when
you eat matters. So maybe if you haven't started
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a fasting practice yet, maybe this is the time that you're
going to start and you're going to pick a time, let's say 7:00
at night and you're not going toeat until 7:00 the next morning.
And no one needs to eat in the middle of the night.
And if you are getting up in themiddle of the night for a little
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snacky snack, this is a huge problem.
A huge problem, right? Or if you have dinner at six O
clock and then are having another one at 10.
Huge problem, right? We're we're not eating before we
go to bed because when we go to bed we don't want to be
digesting. Right, right, right.
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You want to the body to be? Yeah.
By the time we go to bed, we don't want to have our body have
to worry about digesting food. When sleep is when the healing
happens. Sleep is where all of our
detoxification processes are happening and we.
Can't do that if it's busy. Digesting food, busy digesting
food, right? So stopping eating early,
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getting into a fasting practice,and then when you start to get
good at that, great, maybe some extended fasts to really allow
for healing in your body. But this is happening over
months. This isn't happening in a day or
a week or even a month, right? We, we have to meet you where
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you are. So if you're doing a bunch of
things like the standard American diet and you're not
moving and you're not prioritizing sleep and you're
using wine to relax or alcohol to relax or pot to relax, like,
OK, that's your starting point. I hear you and I know you're not
going to turn into me overnight,but that you got to start
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somewhere. Yeah, I got to take your baby.
Steps. I love that.
And I would move on this show. I'm coining it if it's not
already out there. I feel like we need to move in
addition, because I do love SAD.I think that's great.
You know, it's a great acronym, Standard American Diet, SAD.
We really need to be calling it the standard American lifestyle
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because it's fucked up. I mean.
I agree. And the other thing that I think
that everyone needs to think about and bring into their
awareness and build skills around is how are you handling
the stress of life? How do you talk to yourself?
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What is the story you're tellingyourself?
Because the story you tell yourself matters.
What you allow in matters, What you allow to affect you matters,
and you're only going to be as good as your skill set.
So if you're someone with no coping skills, who flies off the
handle at everything, who is reactive to everything and
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everyone around them, then I promise you this is not going to
end well for you, right? You are in a cortisol dominant
state, you are highly reactive, you are flammable, and you're
going to go up in flames, right?So where are your extinguishers?
Where are your barriers? Where is your stock?
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You may not be a meditator today.
That's OK Meditation is a practice.
Yoga is a practice These are allthings that we need to build
skill sets that we need to build.
You don't start off. No one flies into flying.
You have to walk and run first, right.
So it's thinking about how do I build around this skill set so
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that the boss that usually drives me crazy, that makes my
blood boil every single day isn't doing that.
Now listen, you may not get to the point where your blood
doesn't boil around that boss. You're inviting him over for
dinner, right? Yeah.
Yeah. So that may not happen and you
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may need a new job. Or maybe it's your job that
makes your blood boil and you need a new job.
Maybe it's your spouse that makes your blood boil and you
need a new spouse, right? Like sometimes we have to
amputate. Sometimes we have to amputate.
There is more to toxins than thechemicals that are going on our
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food and it's being sprayed in the air and on the ground.
And sometimes the relationships are toxic.
So it's the it's the ability to recognize where the toxins are
and eliminating them and stress is a big one.
And we have to learn how to manage it.
We have to learn how to do it better, to allocate our time
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better, to not spend time on busy work and do what's
important. I don't remember who's, I'm sure
you've seen that demonstration of the tall vase.
And if you put all the little rocks in first and then you try
to put the big rocks in afterwards, it doesn't work.
But if you put the big rocks in first and then put the little
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rocks in afterwards, like you have to, you have to tackle the
big things, the half do things, the things that really matter.
And then you know, you can deal with the little stuff.
But for most of it, you, you can't do everything.
You have to prioritize filling all your time is not good.
self-care is important. And again, you're not going to
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get all of this in a day. It's a journey.
Health is a journey. And we're never arriving.
We're never get that destinationbecause the second you get over
the mountain. There's another one home, the
next one. And it's true for everyone,
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right? I'm faced with mountain after
mountain after mountain and it'slike, OK, here we go.
Let's climb right like I do. I God was very, very he has God
has blessed me for sure. And I do have a new friend in my
life who is a very, very, very, very dear friend.
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And we somehow seem to be on theexact same path where we are
dealing with the exact same challenges in parallel.
Her scale is a little larger than mine.
She's pretty famous. So I don't know that she wants
me to air all her stuff out there.
So I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that.
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But to say that, you know, we we're very much there to support
one another and we're out there supporting one another.
And it's hard. And we keep saying like, OK,
just have to get over this hill.Just have to get over this hill.
And then it's like, Oh my, are you kidding me?
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Right, Bill? And, and really right now, when
I'm dealing with this and this and this and this and this at
work, I have to deal with this with my kid.
And when I'm dealing with this and this and this with work and
my kid. And now I have to deal with this
with my dog and this and this and this with my kid and my dog
and my work and now my husband. And, and it's like, and we just
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keep saying God loves me becauseif God didn't think I could do
this, God wouldn't present this in my path.
And we just have to remember that it's all for the good.
And, and she, she very famously says to me, just keep going,
just keep going, just keep going.
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This too shall pass. Just keep going.
Just keep walking, just keep moving, just keep going.
And that's what I remember. Just keep going.
Pardon the Interruption, but I have to ask, how are you
feeling? Like legit, how do you feel day
in and day out? Because if your answer is tired,
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bloated, achy, brain foggy, irritable, then that's not good.
That's not the way we were meantto live and somehow so many of
us accept that fate. We just think it's natural to
get older and feel crappier. But my friends, it doesn't have
to be that way. So I want to invite you into my
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plant based group program. And let me just clarify, this is
meant for you. If you want to take your health
seriously, you're done dieting and you just want to freaking
feel good, I'm offering you support, guidance, cheerleading,
recipes, checklists, all kinds of good stuff in a community so
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that you don't feel restricted and deprived and lonely.
Think of it as dating veganism. You don't have to marry it.
Just go on a few dates, see how it goes.
So please check the show notes or go right to
gentlecoaching.com/veganism and let's get started.
Oh, and if you refer someone whosigns up, I will send you $100.
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Now let's get back to the episode.
OK. My last question for you is what
is your advice for women listening who have either for
themselves, but definitely toward their children who are
tethered to the tech, to the Emfs?
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What advice can you offer to people to decrease the usage Or
like how do you get kids to understand the damage it's
causing? What do you do?
I don't know that you're going to get, I don't know that you're
going to get them to recognize the damage.
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Certainly not the kids. I'm trying to remember.
I put 2 apps on my phone that literally each time I try to go
onto Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn, WhatsApp,
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each time I try to go into that app, it says your time is
restricted. You only have 30 minutes a day
total to be in here. So do you want to go in?
So it makes me confirm that I want to go in.
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And so now I think I put these controls on my phone about two
weeks ago, and in two weeks I have spent a total of an hour,
not a day, an hour total over two weeks on social media.
That's awesome. OK, so it's totally, totally
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doable. And I think so many people do it
unconsciously. We're, we're a society that's so
afraid of being bored. We have to be constantly
stimulated. I don't know what I'm doing
instead, but I'm, I'm not on social media now.
The downside of doing that for me as a business person is I've
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no idea what's happening on social media outside of getting
posted. I don't know.
I'm not responding. I'm not using comments, I'm not
interacting. So like, my, I probably dropped
on the algorithm and probably saying like, oh, she never
answers anything. And yeah, that's true.
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I don't know how you're going toconvince the kids.
The only success that I've had is that my kids are busy being
student athletes. So they they go to school, they
go to practice and they come home and they have dinner and
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they have to do the homework andthey're exhausted.
Yeah. Now that said, does my 16 year
old spend his weekend in front of that, whatever that gaming
station? Is yeah, PlayStation or
something? Whatever.
I don't even know which one he has.
This is how uninvolved I am. Yeah.
But yeah, he spends the weekend there where I'm like, did you
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hit the ball with dogs? Did you hit the ball with the
dogs? Mom, I'll do it.
Mom, get it? Yeah, my grandma do.
It that that's my son today. He has a what did he call it?
He didn't call it veg day. He called it a oh, I think he
called it like a a brain rot daybecause yeah.
Because exactly what's happening, Yeah, he.
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Called it out. At least I said you want to come
walk the dogs with me? I'd love having a a buddy.
Do you want to come with me? No.
It's a brain rot day. Yeah, yeah.
You know, like everything else, if you have someone that has an
ice cream habit or an alcohol habit or a pot habit or
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whatever, a gambling habit, likeit doesn't matter.
The only way you can get rid of that habit is to put something
else there, hopefully a healthy something right.
And so I'm lucky that my kids put athletics in there most of
the time, but that's I'm not going to pretend that I don't
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have kids that are addicted to their devices because the second
that my. Because then my listeners will
really hate you. Yeah, well, the truth is that
the second my 19 year old is bored at work, he, I know he's
on that phone. He's talking to ChatGPT about
like, how to make his muscles bigger.
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Right. Whenever he or whatever, he's
asking ChatGPT, but you know, that's what he's.
Doing Yep, that's my son's best friend.
Yep. And they don't, they don't call
each other anymore. They hit each other up on snap
and they probably don't even sayhit each other up because.
They just say snap me back. Snap.
Me or whatever, I'm so old. Wow.
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Hey, you know what Snapchat is? That's that's.
That's not how it works, mom. It's not how it works.
I love it. I I do think that it has been an
amazing place because it's givena lot of people a platform,
myself included. Exactly, I'm not going to trash
it. I use.
It 10 years ago, yeah, it didn'texist.
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Absolutely the ways of. Contacting people, I never would
have been able to or figured outhow it for that.
It's wonderful. Yeah, like millions of people
know who I am and what I do, andthat wouldn't have been true
before. Yeah.
Right. So there are blessings there for
sure, but there's, there's also a lot of danger there and a lot
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of quackery out there. And this coming from someone who
has stepped outside of the system, right?
So, you know, I went from being a surgeon and, and revered as
being one of the smartest peoplein the room to, oh, she lost her
mind or her skills or whatever. So, you know, I, I understand
the fall from grace. But there, there truly is
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quackery out there and there arepeople saying a lot of wrong
things and a lot of dangerous things.
And you have to be a pretty educated consumer to understand.
I mean, at most medical oncologycenters around the country, you
know, women are still getting advice that sounds like no
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matter what you do during, during chemotherapy, don't lose
weight and drink boost and ensure and you know, like
they're getting and don't fast fasting's bad for you and
they're getting they're getting really bad advice from very
well-intentioned people who justdon't know.
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Everything I know and talk aboutnow is from information that I
have learned since my diagnosis.Sorry to interrupt this amazing
interview, but I have an announcement to make.
After years of careful contemplation and consideration,
I have decided to offer a new coaching program for women who
simply want to get and feel healthier all around,
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physically, mentally, spiritually.
And as someone who has been vegan for several years now, I
can tell you it's all about compassion.
It's all about bringing the feelings of love, empathy,
appreciation and respect into everyday life.
So when I'm presented with conflict and challenge, I can
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draw from all that positivity that comes from my vegan
lifestyle. All you have to do is click the
link in the show notes. Let's get back to the show.
So one more, I know I said that the EMF thing was the last
question, but I do have one morequestion based on the way this
has gone. So we've established that
there's like we have our conspiracy theories regarding
traditional medicine, doctors, hospitals, the way things are
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taught in medical schools. What is your feeling about
something like, say, the American Cancer Society?
Because if you go on their website, they have suggested
recipes and. Nutrition.
OK. And and so I'm trying to
reconcile that in my brain saying, Jesus, this is like the
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most revered non profit in America.
How is it on their website that all of their, their recipes are
the things that I would read in your book says not to eat?
Because then the external influence in my life would say,
well, you're only listening to that one lane that says plant
based, plant based, plant based.So the fact that the American
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Cancer Society website has chicken and rice and yogurt
parfaits? What gifts?
Yeah, but non profit doesn't mean non sponsored.
So we we have to we have to not confuse the two.
These organizations, the American Cancer Society, the
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American Diabetes Association, the American Heart Association,
we have to remember that all of these entities, while maybe
nonprofit, are not non sponsoredand these are another arm of
industry and the way that they get their products promoted is
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through these vehicles. So like the American Diabetes
Association, their diet for a diabetic is horrible.
It's the recipe for diabetes, right?
And so we have to be really careful.
This is what I mean. Like you have to be a critical
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thinker. And I think about the pink
campaigns in October, right? And and all the thing, all the
offerings, right, So like you'llplay is comes in pink.
Right and. Pink doughnuts.
And there's pink. There's pink.
Everything, right? Pink nail Polish, pink this,
pink that. Half these things are toxic and
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cancer causing in and of themselves, in and of
themselves, right? So we have to think before we
think. We have to think before we do
any of this because this is justan arm of industry and it's
about making money. Even for the nonprofit, if they
want to offer their programming,they need money.
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Yeah, they're not. It's not some person like trying
to line their pockets, although their CEOs make a lot of money,
but it's not them necessarily trying to line their pocket.
They, they are legitimately trying to do wonderful things
and support people. But like Komen, Komen is trying
to raise a lot of money for mammograms.
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What do mammograms do? They increase breast cancer
diagnosis. Like what?
Why do we want that? Komen raises a lot of money for
breast Cancer Research. What is the research for drug
development, Right. So when you take a step back and
think about what these organizations do, they're just
arms of industry. They're just the way to keep
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industry going. That's all they are.
And we trust them, but they don't deserve our trust.
They don't. Yeah, that's.
Yeah, no, I it's I I'm glad you if.
You want a different answer? You got to ask a different lady.
Yeah, no, I'm glad you proclaimed that here because I
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felt like I was again, speaking out into the wind in the forest
by myself. When I say, but just because
it's on that website doesn't mean it's good for you.
Because then I get into that conspiracy conversation of why
would that organization put a recipe that isn't good for you?
Why would they want to promote? And I'm like, Oh my God, this is
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just going nowhere. But also they don't know what
they don't know. Fair.
So I mean, I do think that there's someone at the top like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But most of the people are just
falling in line. Like if you go to school to
become a nutritionist, most nutritionists are still being
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taught or I I I always, I think,confused between them and a
dietitian, but whatever. Like, calories in calories.
Yeah. The pyramid.
The pyramid. Like, look at our food pyramid.
Our food pyramid is the nightmare.
Yeah. You know, like we shouldn't have
a category for sugars. We shouldn't.
They don't dairy. I mean, I to to me, I don't look
at dairy as a A. Human food, right?
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It's not a necessary. Our food pyramid should be built
on what is necessary to sustain us and optimize function.
But that's not what it is at all.
It's a food pyramid built on howcan we support our current food
and agricultural system. So let's put grains at the
bottom so that we we consume what we grow.
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But if we ate, never ate anothergrain again, right?
We have no nutritional need for grains.
None. Nothing.
Not at all. If we never ate another grain
again, we would suffer no nutritional deficiencies.
What the hell is it doing at thebase of our food pyramid that
everything else is built on? What?
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Why? Because that's what industry
wants, right? So we can sell a lot of grains,
we can get rid of the stuff thatwe're growing that we're
subsidizing. We can fill the Pharmaceutical
industry and fill the hospitals,right?
And it just makes it all go round.
And it's sick that so much of what we're growing in this
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country isn't even for human consumption.
Right away in step A, it gets tous in in B and CI.
Mean I went to Nebraska. On a girls trip, never been to
the heartland, I was overwhelmedwith the beauty of these crops.
I've never seen anything like this.
I've never seen miles and miles of of corn.
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I I mean I've been to farms before, but not that huge.
So I take an ear and I start to that's.
Good. Thank you.
And one of the. People that I Yes, well done.
Yes, thank you. One of the women I was with was
a native Nebraskan and she was like.
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No. And I said but but this is right
off the. Stock, I don't understand.
She's like, no. No, no, no.
That's not for you. That's for like, that's for
pharmacy. Yeah.
That's animal feed. Thank you.
That's animal feed, which ultimately is consumed by
humans. Yeah.
Yeah, because. Then you think you're that
you're going to go eat that steak, and that steak is going
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to nourish you. And that cow was fed corn, which
is not part of their native diet, was never part of their
native. Diet and was sprayed with shit
that no one should consume. And also that cow is now sick as
shit because it's growing up on a diet of corn and soybeans,
which should never be in their bodies.
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So then their body is so inflamed, plus they have to have
antacids to keep it down, plus they get terribly sick so then
you have to give them antibiotics to keep them.
And then on and on. Right, but like if that wasn't
the flashing light of how messedup this system is because I, I
do you know, I, I know we don't need corn to live, but I like
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corn every once in a while when it's pesticide free and believe.
Me. I grew up in the other Jersey
Shore. I know about corn.
Yeah, I'm not making St. corn. I'm not slathering it in butter,
but I don't mind a fresh air of corn once in a while.
And I was. Horrified.
It just should be the base of your food pyramid.
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Of course, what you went throughis in fact, horrifying.
It is horrifying and happening every single day everywhere in
this country. And it's disgraceful.
And the entire system is built to feed one another.
So literally, we're eating this crappy food so that we get sick,
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so that we get into the medical system, so that we use the
pharmaceuticals and on and on. And we continue and we stay sick
because we eat the crappy food. So we stay in the medical system
and we. Don't forget pharmaceuticals.
Don't forget that when you're inthe hospital, you're being fed
the food that you shouldn't, that got you sick in the first
place. Oh, yeah.
I mean, believe me. So I was here.
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This is the last story. I'll tell the last story.
So it was after my revelation and I was resigning for my
surgical position because I I couldn't be part of the problem
anymore. I wanted to be part of the
solution. And so the hospital system that
I worked for wanted to keep me. And so they said, listen, we're
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going to make you the first chair of integrative oncology in
the country. I'm like, wow, that sounds good.
Great, right? I'll really be able to make a
difference. I'll set a precedence like this
is great. So I go and meet with the head
of the hospital, the chief medical officer of the hospital.
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I said, listen, what are we going to do about the cafeteria?
He said, I don't know what you mean.
I said, well, I can't have people waking up from their
cancer surgery. I'm being fed a breakfast of
pancakes and waffles and bacon and sausage and.
And he said, yeah, the cafeteriais off the table.
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So what do you mean? He said, well, we are reimbursed
based on a number of criteria and one of the criteria that we
are reimbursed on is how good the food tastes.
And if we make the food healthy,we get lower scores and we get
less reimbursements. So cafeterias off the table.
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All right, let's just put that aside for a second and say,
aren't we obligated to do the right thing for these people?
Like this is an opportunity, this is a teaching moment.
This is a time in our life. They're in crisis.
They're listening. They just had a cancer surgery.
They just had a cardiac bypass. Like whatever it is, we have a
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teachable moment. We have an amazing opportunity
here. Shouldn't we be taking advantage
of it, showing these people how to eat and giving them an
example and teaching them, you know, healthy food is good and
necessary and delicious? And I said, you know, we're
really obligated to do this. And he said, no, I'm not
interested in doing that. I said, why?
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He said because if we teach themto be healthy, they're not going
to come back. And we make our money on cancer
surgeries and heart surgeries and operations, and we depend on
the people coming back. So no.
And I said thank you, goodbye. We are not on a similar path.
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We do not have the same interests at heart.
We are not on a similar mission.And this is the problem.
This is the problem that in our system we are only rewarded for
sickness. There is no way to reward the
doctors, the nurses, the hospitals, the anything.
They only make money when you'resick.
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They don't make money when you're well.
So there's no, there's no motivation for them to get you
well and so they don't. So that's my story.
Well, how lovely to end on that note.
Oh my gosh, this has been so fun.
I have monopolized a lot of yourtime, but I love it.
Could you please tell this audience where to get more of
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you? Yeah, absolutely.
So if you just want to learn more about healthy living or you
know someone with breast cancer or you have a breast cancer
diagnosis or you had a breast cancer diagnosis, The Smart
Woman's Guide to Breast Cancer. I wrote this book to inform you
of how to live the rest of your life in a way that is worthwhile
(41:31):
and to help you make the decisions.
So thank you so much for displaying it on the screen.
Just want people to see it whileyou're talking.
Yes, the Smart Woman's Guide to Breast Cancers and Real Health
MD is where you go if you want my help.
So if you are dealing with a breast cancer diagnosis or you
had a breast cancer diagnosis and you want to know how to move
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on with the rest of your life where you're living with a
breast cancer diagnosis, you've met static disease.
Real healthmd.com. Sorry, one question, do you work
with people virtually or do theyneed to come into?
Town to see. I work with everyone virtually.
Oh wow, yeah. Oh, I'm so excited to hear that.
So The only exception is for those with a history of breast
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cancer who I'm giving them hormone replacement since that
is a major part of my practice is hormone replacement for women
who have had breast cancer because they are women too and
they deserve the same access to care that everyone else is
getting. So those people I have to see in
person, but don't worry because I'm opening up 50 centers around
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the country. They're going to be called
Perfection Imaging and Wellness.So you heard it here 1st and
there we are going to be using QT imaging for breast cancer
scanning, which is radiation free and pain free and
compression free. And we are using this in the
(43:00):
context of a holistic screening program for breast cancer where
you have a breast examination, you take something called the
Aria test. I know we didn't talk about that
today. But I've heard it on your on
your. Podcast so the Aria test, AURIA
dot care and with the Aria test,this is a sample of your tears.
(43:24):
So you just put a tiny litmus paper in your eye.
It doesn't hurt. Don't worry, you don't have to
cry, try and you send that back to the company and it measures
for two proteins, the S100A8 andS100A9 protein that when they
are elevated together, this is highly predictive of breast
cancer, but it's not a breast cancer test.
(43:45):
It is a test to predict the likelihood or your risk for
breast cancer based on how much breast cancer specific
inflammation you have. So it is 93% sensitive, meaning
that 93% of the time if you havebreast cancer, this test will
identify it and it is 57 or 58% sensitive.
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And what that means is that 42% of the time, if you don't have
breast cancer, this test will still be positive, right?
But I want to be clear that there are no false positives for
this test. If you get a clinically
significant result on this test,you have the inflammatory
precursors to breast cancer. And if you don't change, breast
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cancer will develop. Got it.
It will. So what I think this test is, is
opportunity. It's an opportunity for many
women to know what their real risk is and to prevent the
clinical development of disease.Because when we, what we were
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talking about before, I don't believe in treating people
without symptoms, but let's try to prevent that from even
happening. So I always say if you get a
clinically significant result, the first thing you should do is
read my book, read The Smart Woman's Guide to Breast Cancer.
At Perfection Imaging. We are examining everyone.
We are doing the Aria test and we're doing QT imaging, which is
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sound waves transmitted through a water bath that creates a true
3D reconstruction of the breast without pain, compression or
radiation. So it is 100% safe and no one is
any worse for the wear after having had this kind of
screening. And what we are trying to do is
not identify every single thing,but identify the things that are
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meaningful and determine when and if we should even be
involved. So a lot of women, we see a lot
of things on these images, things that we never saw before.
And all we're trying to do is find what's meaningful.
People are like, well, I want toknow every little thing.
No, you don't, and you don't need to know.
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And I'm not trying to mansplain it, right.
But we have become so conditioned to go after
everything and go after everything.
Remember, that is for the purposes of overdiagnosing and
overtreating and that's what we're trying to get away from.
itsperfectionimaging.com. PERFEQTION imaging.com.
(46:28):
Stay tuned and we will keep everything on the website so
you'll be able to hear there when it's opening in a town near
you. I'm also helping other providers
who want to bring this technology to their space
because for me, the most important thing is that we get
people access to safe screening and that we do it in a way that
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it actually can be preventative.Because when you're using
mammogram, all you're doing is radiating and hoping to develop
disease. When you're using Aria, Aria dot
care, AURIA dot care and you canuse my code doctor Jen 20DR JENN
20 to get 20% off. When you're using exam and Aria
(47:15):
and QT, we are actually going tobe able to prevent diagnosis
because we're going to be able to say, hey, you're at increased
risk. What do we need to change?
Like how are you eating and how are you thinking and how are you
drinking and how are you moving and how are you sleeping and how
are you detoxing and all the things.
We're going to be able to say that and how can we turn the
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ship around? Because that's not the way you
want to go, right? So for someone listening who has
let's say a mammogram scheduled or it's on their To Do List,
what do you recommend if they don't live near you?
Do the Aria test, get A, get do a physical examination, do a
breast examination. I think everyone should be
(47:59):
examining their breasts because again, unless you have clinical
disease, I don't want to say I don't care because that sounds
insensitive, but it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you don't have clinical disease.
It doesn't matter. So do a breast examination, do
the Aria test. And if the Aria test comes back
normal and you don't feel anything, you're good.
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And I think in the future, the Aria test is going to be used to
because they're, they're not going to have an exclusive on
this technology. This technology is very
repeatable, very copyable. And they'll be 10 different
tests out there that will do thesame exact thing.
And this will predict who does and who does not need imaging.
How often should someone do the Aria test?
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If you're at average risk once ayear, OK, if you have like a
bracha mutation or really strongfamily history, then you, you
could maybe do it every six months.
I actually, I, I, I don't like to make people crazy like want
to get overly obsessed with these things.
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So if you're checking in with yourself and you're doing your
labs, and because I have all thelabs that you should know about
yourself in my book, right? And if you're checking in with
yourself and examining yourself and you're doing the labs and
you don't have signs of systemicinflammation and your weight is
good and you're sleeping and you're eating right.
And all those things like once ayear is more than enough.
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And if you don't have those things dialed in, if you, if
your weight isn't optimized, if you're not sleeping at night, if
you're on the standard American diet, living the standard
American lifestyle, then first of all, don't do that.
And second of all, you might need more monitoring.
And especially if you're someonewith a bracha mutation or a PAL
(49:50):
B1 mutation or any of those things that we know put you at
increased risk of breast cancer.And then lastly, so real
healthmd.com, perfectionimaging.com, you can
listen to my podcast, which is called Keeping abreast with
Doctor Jen, so good about a new episode every week, the book.
(50:12):
And then lastly, you can find meon all the social channels.
I'm Doctor Jen Simmons and my Jen has 2.
Ends I am incredibly grateful that you carved out all this
time to be here. I want to invite you in
conclusion to raise a glass and we're going to say cheers to
(50:33):
progress over perfection and taking small steps over those
damn hills. Amen, sister.
All right. Cheers.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.I'm just sending you so much
gratitude and blessings and, andjust good fortune.
Well. Thank you.
(50:53):
I'll take it. I'll take all the blessings I
can get. Wow, right?
Hopefully you listen to both Part 1 and Part 2 and now you
are all caught up on how messed up the medical industry is, how
frightening the food system is, and how empowering it is to take
your breast health into consideration.
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Now let me get into Part 2's notes from the sidelines #1 if
you have a diagnosis, small things matter.
And this is kind of the message I'm giving in my new plant based
Quick Start program. Small things matter.
If you try to change everything at once, it'll be a disaster.
So every day be a little better.Start by eating real food again.
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That's the message of my program.
Eat Whole Foods, then plan to move a little and then drink
water. Start with those three things #2
what you eat and when you eat matters.
Sleep is when detoxification happens, and your body can't do
that if it's busy digesting food.
So consider stopping eating hours before you go to bed so
(52:02):
that rest and digest can happen #3 how do you handle life
stress? How do you talk to yourself?
What's the story you're telling yourself?
All those things matter when it comes to your overall health and
Wellness #4 sometimes we have toamputate toxic things in our
lives because there's more to toxins than just chemicals.
So it's about recognizing the toxins in your life and
(52:25):
eliminating them #5 health is a journey, and you never arrive.
Number six, when faced with challenges, tell yourself God
loves me and wouldn't put this in front of me if he didn't
think I could handle it #7 Consider an app to restrict
access to social media and othercommunication apps.
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It's good for awareness and reduction of use #8 the only way
to fix a bad habit is to replaceit with something better.
It's the idea of crowding out asopposed to cutting out.
Number nine, you need to be an education consumer because
social media has made it so easyfor quackery to spread.
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And yes, people are well-intentioned but there's a
lot of bad advice out there #10 Nonprofit does not mean non
sponsored. The well known nonprofits in the
health world are also arms of industry #11 the food pyramid is
a disaster and should be designed by what's necessary to
sustain us and optimize our functioning.
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But it's not #12 Hospitals servefood that is not good for us,
but they get rated and funded for how good the cafeteria food
tastes and and how well it's received by patients and
visitors. But the problem is if we teach
patients about getting healthy, they won't return to the
hospital and that becomes a money problem.
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And finally #13 if you have a clinical disease, read her book.
So I want to thank Doctor Jen Simmons again for coming on the
show and for all of you. For tuning in to both parts
because this was a master class and not just breast health, but
overall life health. So please share this episode,
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share it, share it everywhere. Put it on your social media, put
out a text. Blast share these two episodes
with Jen Simmons because they are gold.
And I want to remind you again to head to
gentlecoaching.com/veganism and join my new program.
It's about. About making these small
adjustments and feeling so supported while doing so.
Because when you've been doing things the same way for a long
(54:32):
time, it is hard to change. But when you have a guide and
cheerleader beside you, it's so much easier.
And I am so excited to get womenhealthy feeling and looking good
and changing those neural pathways to live a cruelty free,
delicious, nutritious life that honors all living beings.
(54:55):
It is possible we can do it. And I want to be here to support
you. So please check out my program,
share these episodes, and I'll see you right back here next
week for my empowering conversation with Nancy Griffin.
I'm sending you all good vibes, blessings and inspiration for a
plant powered life. Cheers to you.
Hey ladies, my name is Jenny Chaffetz and I am the host of
Sideline Sisters. Are you a busy mom, powerhouse
professional or high achieving go getter?
This show is for no BS women whowant to be inspired to get off
the sidelines of their lives. Ever feel like you're playing
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sidelines. Let's go.
Hey, friends, welcome to the continuation of my conversation
with Doctor Jen Simmons. If you did not catch part one
that released last week, I suggest you press pause on this
(01:08):
one. Listen to that one first so that
it will be a complete conversation for you.
And it was good. We think we know a lot about
breast cancer. We think we know because of what
advertisements are. Doctors, nonprofits and news
segments tell us, but we are only hearing what they want us
(01:28):
to hear. And Doctor Jen Simmons gets
real. She debunks myths and confronts
conspiracies and tells us what we need to know so that we can
hopefully avoid this disease. Or if we're faced with it, we
can address it properly and not put ourselves at even further
risk of chronic disease. Before I get into today's
(01:51):
conversation, welcome. My name is Jenny Chaffetz.
I am the host of this show, so please and thank you.
And whether this is your first time tuning in or you're a long
time listener, I am so grateful that you're here and I would
love for you to take a minute ofyour time to subscribe to the
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Write a quick review and share. Share the show.
(02:13):
Share the episode with someone with a lot of people.
I really need your help to grow this show and spread these
messages far and wide. Now before I get into today's
conversation, I need to clarify something that came up last
week. I mentioned the Gentle Coaching
rebrand which includes the launch of a plant based
(02:33):
lifestyle program to help women look and feel better.
So all the things that you mightbe dealing with or your friends
and family, things like bloating, inflammation, brain
fog, irritability, low energy, poor sleep and stubborn weight.
We're going to address all thosethings in a four week program.
(02:55):
I had mentioned 12 week previously, but I've decided to
make this a quick start program to really get you excited about
this lifestyle and show you what's available for you now.
I get it. We live in a world that has
normalized and praised really the consumption and use of
animals for our benefit. I did not grow up thinking about
(03:18):
where my food came from. I ate the hamburger, I ate the
pizza, I ate the chicken tenders.
It never occurred to me how the food got to my plate.
And that's really what's intended because my guess is if
any of us really sat in contemplation about where our
food came from, most of us wouldbe vegan.
It is very hard to reconcile theanimal agriculture industry and
(03:42):
nourishment. It just doesn't equate when you
know the truth behind the package.
And so I don't want to proselytize about the injustice
of the system, but my dream, my fantasy is that you see for
yourself how satisfied you can feel consuming plant based
foods. There is such an expansive
(04:05):
selection fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, nuts and
seeds and spices that we have not even begun to explore,
especially when we're consuming the same standard American diet
day in and day out. But in these four weeks, I will
show you not just how delicious plant based eating can be, but
(04:26):
how easy. Because for any of the busy
women listening, especially moms, time is critical.
You don't want to be using half a dozen pots, pans and tools to
cook a meal only to then clean everything and do the whole
thing again the next day. I get that.
I relate. So I'm going to make this really
easy for you and fun and delicious and healthy.
(04:49):
And you tell me for yourself howyou feel the next day, the next
week, the next month. And we're going to talk about
all the other things that go into a healthy lifestyle, the
things that Doctor Jen mentions,those foundational pieces,
sleep, stress, movement, toxins,how we talk, how we think we're
going to get into all of it. Because I am a trauma informed
(05:12):
life and breath work coach and Ibelieve wholeheartedly in
somatic practices, which again, can be very easy.
Let's not overcomplicate this. I know we type a busy women tend
to do that, make things harder than they are.
My goal with this program is to give you space, four weeks of
space to see how easy it can be preparing meals for you and your
(05:37):
family. So head to the show notes or go
directly to gentlecoaching.com/veganism.
Yes, I use the word veganism as triggering as it might be and
join. Just join.
Don't stop and over think it. Just join and get a friend to do
it with you because I'm offeringa referral reward.
But honestly, the rewards will be much greater than money.
(05:59):
We're talking reduced inflammation.
That means aches and pains. No more bloating.
You'll sleep better, look better, your skin will glow,
your hair and nails will grow. And things like concentration,
clarity, creativity, productivity, those are the
kinds of rewards you will see. And for any of you tennis fans,
you know that the US Open is taking place right now.
(06:21):
And it's funny that Doctor Jen and I mentioned Wimbledon in our
conversation, as we're talking about the overuse of plastic
water bottles especially. In professional sports, so.
If you're tuning in to any of the matches, take a look see how
many bottles each of the playersuses.
It's insane. Why can't they just reuse glass
(06:43):
or stainless steel bottles? But enough about that.
Without further ado, I invite you to get comfortable.
Maybe get ready to take some notes because there's a lot in
here. And let's get into Part 2 of my
interview with Doctor Jensen. 'S I have to.
Ask. Your world is focused on breast
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cancer specifically so if let's say you or not you because you
know too much but if you're ignorant, such a not nice word
so you're. Unaware.
Less educated, unaware best friend got a legit breast cancer
(07:27):
diagnosis. Like there, you know, there is a
lump. It's there and she wasn't living
the informed life that you're living.
She hadn't read your book yet. She wasn't incorporating any of
those lifestyle changes. I.
Can't believe my best friend didn't read my book.
I know I or a new best friend. This is just someone you met
(07:47):
recently on vacation but you instantly clicked.
So she's a new best friend, OK. With.
Everything that you talk about in the book, we're talking food,
sleep, meditation, exercise, Emfs, plastic, the exercise
clothes you wear. I mean, you go through a lot of
stuff and, and I will, I will say it here and you can, you can
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shut me down or, or you know, discontinue knowing me
afterwards. Some of it does sound like
voodoo. Some of it I do and I'm obsessed
with, some of it I I might push back on, but with everything
that you mentioned. What would?
Be the top few things that you would tell this new bestie with
the diagnosis to do, like yesterday.
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Yeah. So I mean, the first thing that
I'm going to say is that small things matter.
So you you're not going to change everything at once.
And if you try to change everything at once, it's going
to spell disaster, right? So we look for progress over
perfection, right? And every day be a little
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better, every week be a little better.
And that will lead to every month being a lot better, right?
And so don't try to do it all atonce.
Set small, achievable, realisticgoals.
Like if you're not working out at all now, you're not going to
do yoga two days a week, lift weights 2 days a week, and walk
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5 miles two days a week and havethe Sunday to rest like you know
God did on the 7th day. Like that's not happening,
right? But you can get a rebounder and
get on that rebounder when you open your eyes in the morning,
go pee and get on that rebounderfor two minutes every single
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day, 2 minutes. You can do 2 minutes.
You can't do 2 minutes every day.
You can put it next to your bed for all I care.
You can put it in your bathroom for all I care. 2 minutes, 2
minutes, right? So start low and slow and built
right. And ultimately what we are
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looking to do is eat real food, right?
So if you're on a highly processed diet, you're not going
to a whole food diet in a day. That's not happening.
But you can look at your plate and say, where are the
vegetables? Let me add some vegetables in,
add in crowd out, right? Because eventually those
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vegetables are going to take theplace of something that wasn't
serving you, right? So eat real food.
If you're not drinking water yet, start drinking water,
right? Replace whatever you are
drinking with water. You don't have to do it all the
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way, You don't have to do it immediately, but you have to
replace what you're drinking with water and then make sure
that your water is clean, right?So find out what's in your
water, go to the EWG, and then start to filter it right?
And these are all small things that you can do that over time
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make a huge difference. So you're going to eat real
food, you're going to drink clean water, you're going to
move your body, and you're goingto make progress in all of these
places. And what you eat matters when
you eat matters. So maybe if you haven't started
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a fasting practice yet, maybe this is the time that you're
going to start and you're going to pick a time, let's say 7:00
at night and you're not going toeat until 7:00 the next morning.
And no one needs to eat in the middle of the night.
And if you are getting up in themiddle of the night for a little
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snacky snack, this is a huge problem.
A huge problem, right? Or if you have dinner at six O
clock and then are having another one at 10.
Huge problem, right? We're we're not eating before we
go to bed because when we go to bed we don't want to be
digesting. Right, right, right.
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You want to the body to be? Yeah.
By the time we go to bed, we don't want to have our body have
to worry about digesting food. When sleep is when the healing
happens. Sleep is where all of our
detoxification processes are happening and we.
Can't do that if it's busy. Digesting food, busy digesting
food, right? So stopping eating early,
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getting into a fasting practice,and then when you start to get
good at that, great, maybe some extended fasts to really allow
for healing in your body. But this is happening over
months. This isn't happening in a day or
a week or even a month, right? We, we have to meet you where
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you are. So if you're doing a bunch of
things like the standard American diet and you're not
moving and you're not prioritizing sleep and you're
using wine to relax or alcohol to relax or pot to relax, like,
OK, that's your starting point. I hear you and I know you're not
going to turn into me overnight,but that you got to start
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somewhere. Yeah, I got to take your baby.
Steps. I love that.
And I would move on this show. I'm coining it if it's not
already out there. I feel like we need to move in
addition, because I do love SAD.I think that's great.
You know, it's a great acronym, Standard American Diet, SAD.
We really need to be calling it the standard American lifestyle
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because it's fucked up. I mean.
I agree. And the other thing that I think
that everyone needs to think about and bring into their
awareness and build skills around is how are you handling
the stress of life? How do you talk to yourself?
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What is the story you're tellingyourself?
Because the story you tell yourself matters.
What you allow in matters, What you allow to affect you matters,
and you're only going to be as good as your skill set.
So if you're someone with no coping skills, who flies off the
handle at everything, who is reactive to everything and
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everyone around them, then I promise you this is not going to
end well for you, right? You are in a cortisol dominant
state, you are highly reactive, you are flammable, and you're
going to go up in flames, right?So where are your extinguishers?
Where are your barriers? Where is your stock?
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You may not be a meditator today.
That's OK Meditation is a practice.
Yoga is a practice These are allthings that we need to build
skill sets that we need to build.
You don't start off. No one flies into flying.
You have to walk and run first, right.
So it's thinking about how do I build around this skill set so
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that the boss that usually drives me crazy, that makes my
blood boil every single day isn't doing that.
Now listen, you may not get to the point where your blood
doesn't boil around that boss. You're inviting him over for
dinner, right? Yeah.
Yeah. So that may not happen and you
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may need a new job. Or maybe it's your job that
makes your blood boil and you need a new job.
Maybe it's your spouse that makes your blood boil and you
need a new spouse, right? Like sometimes we have to
amputate. Sometimes we have to amputate.
There is more to toxins than thechemicals that are going on our
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food and it's being sprayed in the air and on the ground.
And sometimes the relationships are toxic.
So it's the it's the ability to recognize where the toxins are
and eliminating them and stress is a big one.
And we have to learn how to manage it.
We have to learn how to do it better, to allocate our time
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better, to not spend time on busy work and do what's
important. I don't remember who's, I'm sure
you've seen that demonstration of the tall vase.
And if you put all the little rocks in first and then you try
to put the big rocks in afterwards, it doesn't work.
But if you put the big rocks in first and then put the little
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rocks in afterwards, like you have to, you have to tackle the
big things, the half do things, the things that really matter.
And then you know, you can deal with the little stuff.
But for most of it, you, you can't do everything.
You have to prioritize filling all your time is not good.
self-care is important. And again, you're not going to
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get all of this in a day. It's a journey.
Health is a journey. And we're never arriving.
We're never get that destinationbecause the second you get over
the mountain. There's another one home, the
next one. And it's true for everyone,
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right? I'm faced with mountain after
mountain after mountain and it'slike, OK, here we go.
Let's climb right like I do. I God was very, very he has God
has blessed me for sure. And I do have a new friend in my
life who is a very, very, very, very dear friend.
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And we somehow seem to be on theexact same path where we are
dealing with the exact same challenges in parallel.
Her scale is a little larger than mine.
She's pretty famous. So I don't know that she wants
me to air all her stuff out there.
So I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that.
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But to say that, you know, we we're very much there to support
one another and we're out there supporting one another.
And it's hard. And we keep saying like, OK,
just have to get over this hill.Just have to get over this hill.
And then it's like, Oh my, are you kidding me?
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Right, Bill? And, and really right now, when
I'm dealing with this and this and this and this and this at
work, I have to deal with this with my kid.
And when I'm dealing with this and this and this with work and
my kid. And now I have to deal with this
with my dog and this and this and this with my kid and my dog
and my work and now my husband. And, and it's like, and we just
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keep saying God loves me becauseif God didn't think I could do
this, God wouldn't present this in my path.
And we just have to remember that it's all for the good.
And, and she, she very famously says to me, just keep going,
just keep going, just keep going.
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This too shall pass. Just keep going.
Just keep walking, just keep moving, just keep going.
And that's what I remember. Just keep going.
Pardon the Interruption, but I have to ask, how are you
feeling? Like legit, how do you feel day
in and day out? Because if your answer is tired,
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bloated, achy, brain foggy, irritable, then that's not good.
That's not the way we were meantto live and somehow so many of
us accept that fate. We just think it's natural to
get older and feel crappier. But my friends, it doesn't have
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Now let's get back to the episode.
OK. My last question for you is what
is your advice for women listening who have either for
themselves, but definitely toward their children who are
tethered to the tech, to the Emfs?
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What advice can you offer to people to decrease the usage Or
like how do you get kids to understand the damage it's
causing? What do you do?
I don't know that you're going to get, I don't know that you're
going to get them to recognize the damage.
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Certainly not the kids. I'm trying to remember.
I put 2 apps on my phone that literally each time I try to go
onto Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn, WhatsApp,
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each time I try to go into that app, it says your time is
restricted. You only have 30 minutes a day
total to be in here. So do you want to go in?
So it makes me confirm that I want to go in.
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And so now I think I put these controls on my phone about two
weeks ago, and in two weeks I have spent a total of an hour,
not a day, an hour total over two weeks on social media.
That's awesome. OK, so it's totally, totally
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doable. And I think so many people do it
unconsciously. We're, we're a society that's so
afraid of being bored. We have to be constantly
stimulated. I don't know what I'm doing
instead, but I'm, I'm not on social media now.
The downside of doing that for me as a business person is I've
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no idea what's happening on social media outside of getting
posted. I don't know.
I'm not responding. I'm not using comments, I'm not
interacting. So like, my, I probably dropped
on the algorithm and probably saying like, oh, she never
answers anything. And yeah, that's true.
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I don't know how you're going toconvince the kids.
The only success that I've had is that my kids are busy being
student athletes. So they they go to school, they
go to practice and they come home and they have dinner and
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they have to do the homework andthey're exhausted.
Yeah. Now that said, does my 16 year
old spend his weekend in front of that, whatever that gaming
station? Is yeah, PlayStation or
something? Whatever.
I don't even know which one he has.
This is how uninvolved I am. Yeah.
But yeah, he spends the weekend there where I'm like, did you
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hit the ball with dogs? Did you hit the ball with the
dogs? Mom, I'll do it.
Mom, get it? Yeah, my grandma do.
It that that's my son today. He has a what did he call it?
He didn't call it veg day. He called it a oh, I think he
called it like a a brain rot daybecause yeah.
Because exactly what's happening, Yeah, he.
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Called it out. At least I said you want to come
walk the dogs with me? I'd love having a a buddy.
Do you want to come with me? No.
It's a brain rot day. Yeah, yeah.
You know, like everything else, if you have someone that has an
ice cream habit or an alcohol habit or a pot habit or
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whatever, a gambling habit, likeit doesn't matter.
The only way you can get rid of that habit is to put something
else there, hopefully a healthy something right.
And so I'm lucky that my kids put athletics in there most of
the time, but that's I'm not going to pretend that I don't
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have kids that are addicted to their devices because the second
that my. Because then my listeners will
really hate you. Yeah, well, the truth is that
the second my 19 year old is bored at work, he, I know he's
on that phone. He's talking to ChatGPT about
like, how to make his muscles bigger.
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Right. Whenever he or whatever, he's
asking ChatGPT, but you know, that's what he's.
Doing Yep, that's my son's best friend.
Yep. And they don't, they don't call
each other anymore. They hit each other up on snap
and they probably don't even sayhit each other up because.
They just say snap me back. Snap.
Me or whatever, I'm so old. Wow.
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Hey, you know what Snapchat is? That's that's.
That's not how it works, mom. It's not how it works.
I love it. I I do think that it has been an
amazing place because it's givena lot of people a platform,
myself included. Exactly, I'm not going to trash
it. I use.
It 10 years ago, yeah, it didn'texist.
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Absolutely the ways of. Contacting people, I never would
have been able to or figured outhow it for that.
It's wonderful. Yeah, like millions of people
know who I am and what I do, andthat wouldn't have been true
before. Yeah.
Right. So there are blessings there for
sure, but there's, there's also a lot of danger there and a lot
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of quackery out there. And this coming from someone who
has stepped outside of the system, right?
So, you know, I went from being a surgeon and, and revered as
being one of the smartest peoplein the room to, oh, she lost her
mind or her skills or whatever. So, you know, I, I understand
the fall from grace. But there, there truly is
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quackery out there and there arepeople saying a lot of wrong
things and a lot of dangerous things.
And you have to be a pretty educated consumer to understand.
I mean, at most medical oncologycenters around the country, you
know, women are still getting advice that sounds like no
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matter what you do during, during chemotherapy, don't lose
weight and drink boost and ensure and you know, like
they're getting and don't fast fasting's bad for you and
they're getting they're getting really bad advice from very
well-intentioned people who justdon't know.
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So one more, I know I said that the EMF thing was the last
question, but I do have one morequestion based on the way this
has gone. So we've established that
there's like we have our conspiracy theories regarding
traditional medicine, doctors, hospitals, the way things are
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taught in medical schools. What is your feeling about
something like, say, the American Cancer Society?
Because if you go on their website, they have suggested
recipes and. Nutrition.
OK. And and so I'm trying to
reconcile that in my brain saying, Jesus, this is like the
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most revered non profit in America.
How is it on their website that all of their, their recipes are
the things that I would read in your book says not to eat?
Because then the external influence in my life would say,
well, you're only listening to that one lane that says plant
based, plant based, plant based.So the fact that the American
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Cancer Society website has chicken and rice and yogurt
parfaits? What gifts?
Yeah, but non profit doesn't mean non sponsored.
So we we have to we have to not confuse the two.
These organizations, the American Cancer Society, the
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American Diabetes Association, the American Heart Association,
we have to remember that all of these entities, while maybe
nonprofit, are not non sponsoredand these are another arm of
industry and the way that they get their products promoted is
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through these vehicles. So like the American Diabetes
Association, their diet for a diabetic is horrible.
It's the recipe for diabetes, right?
And so we have to be really careful.
This is what I mean. Like you have to be a critical
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thinker. And I think about the pink
campaigns in October, right? And and all the thing, all the
offerings, right, So like you'llplay is comes in pink.
Right and. Pink doughnuts.
And there's pink. There's pink.
Everything, right? Pink nail Polish, pink this,
pink that. Half these things are toxic and
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cancer causing in and of themselves, in and of
themselves, right? So we have to think before we
think. We have to think before we do
any of this because this is justan arm of industry and it's
about making money. Even for the nonprofit, if they
want to offer their programming,they need money.
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Yeah, they're not. It's not some person like trying
to line their pockets, although their CEOs make a lot of money,
but it's not them necessarily trying to line their pocket.
They, they are legitimately trying to do wonderful things
and support people. But like Komen, Komen is trying
to raise a lot of money for mammograms.
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What do mammograms do? They increase breast cancer
diagnosis. Like what?
Why do we want that? Komen raises a lot of money for
breast Cancer Research. What is the research for drug
development, Right. So when you take a step back and
think about what these organizations do, they're just
arms of industry. They're just the way to keep
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industry going. That's all they are.
And we trust them, but they don't deserve our trust.
They don't. Yeah, that's.
Yeah, no, I it's I I'm glad you if.
You want a different answer? You got to ask a different lady.
Yeah, no, I'm glad you proclaimed that here because I
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felt like I was again, speaking out into the wind in the forest
by myself. When I say, but just because
it's on that website doesn't mean it's good for you.
Because then I get into that conspiracy conversation of why
would that organization put a recipe that isn't good for you?
Why would they want to promote? And I'm like, Oh my God, this is
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just going nowhere. But also they don't know what
they don't know. Fair.
So I mean, I do think that there's someone at the top like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But most of the people are just
falling in line. Like if you go to school to
become a nutritionist, most nutritionists are still being
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taught or I I I always, I think,confused between them and a
dietitian, but whatever. Like, calories in calories.
Yeah. The pyramid.
The pyramid. Like, look at our food pyramid.
Our food pyramid is the nightmare.
Yeah. You know, like we shouldn't have
a category for sugars. We shouldn't.
They don't dairy. I mean, I to to me, I don't look
at dairy as a A. Human food, right?
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It's not a necessary. Our food pyramid should be built
on what is necessary to sustain us and optimize function.
But that's not what it is at all.
It's a food pyramid built on howcan we support our current food
and agricultural system. So let's put grains at the
bottom so that we we consume what we grow.
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But if we ate, never ate anothergrain again, right?
We have no nutritional need for grains.
None. Nothing.
Not at all. If we never ate another grain
again, we would suffer no nutritional deficiencies.
What the hell is it doing at thebase of our food pyramid that
everything else is built on? What?
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Why? Because that's what industry
wants, right? So we can sell a lot of grains,
we can get rid of the stuff thatwe're growing that we're
subsidizing. We can fill the Pharmaceutical
industry and fill the hospitals,right?
And it just makes it all go round.
And it's sick that so much of what we're growing in this
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country isn't even for human consumption.
Right away in step A, it gets tous in in B and CI.
Mean I went to Nebraska. On a girls trip, never been to
the heartland, I was overwhelmedwith the beauty of these crops.
I've never seen anything like this.
I've never seen miles and miles of of corn.
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I I mean I've been to farms before, but not that huge.
So I take an ear and I start to that's.
Good. Thank you.
And one of the. People that I Yes, well done.
Yes, thank you. One of the women I was with was
a native Nebraskan and she was like.
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No. And I said but but this is right
off the. Stock, I don't understand.
She's like, no. No, no, no.
That's not for you. That's for like, that's for
pharmacy. Yeah.
That's animal feed. Thank you.
That's animal feed, which ultimately is consumed by
humans. Yeah.
Yeah, because. Then you think you're that
you're going to go eat that steak, and that steak is going
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to nourish you. And that cow was fed corn, which
is not part of their native diet, was never part of their
native. Diet and was sprayed with shit
that no one should consume. And also that cow is now sick as
shit because it's growing up on a diet of corn and soybeans,
which should never be in their bodies.
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So then their body is so inflamed, plus they have to have
antacids to keep it down, plus they get terribly sick so then
you have to give them antibiotics to keep them.
And then on and on. Right, but like if that wasn't
the flashing light of how messedup this system is because I, I
do you know, I, I know we don't need corn to live, but I like
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corn every once in a while when it's pesticide free and believe.
Me. I grew up in the other Jersey
Shore. I know about corn.
Yeah, I'm not making St. corn. I'm not slathering it in butter,
but I don't mind a fresh air of corn once in a while.
And I was. Horrified.
It just should be the base of your food pyramid.
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Of course, what you went throughis in fact, horrifying.
It is horrifying and happening every single day everywhere in
this country. And it's disgraceful.
And the entire system is built to feed one another.
So literally, we're eating this crappy food so that we get sick,
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so that we get into the medical system, so that we use the
pharmaceuticals and on and on. And we continue and we stay sick
because we eat the crappy food. So we stay in the medical system
and we. Don't forget pharmaceuticals.
Don't forget that when you're inthe hospital, you're being fed
the food that you shouldn't, that got you sick in the first
place. Oh, yeah.
I mean, believe me. So I was here.
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This is the last story. I'll tell the last story.
So it was after my revelation and I was resigning for my
surgical position because I I couldn't be part of the problem
anymore. I wanted to be part of the
solution. And so the hospital system that
I worked for wanted to keep me. And so they said, listen, we're
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going to make you the first chair of integrative oncology in
the country. I'm like, wow, that sounds good.
Great, right? I'll really be able to make a
difference. I'll set a precedence like this
is great. So I go and meet with the head
of the hospital, the chief medical officer of the hospital.
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I said, listen, what are we going to do about the cafeteria?
He said, I don't know what you mean.
I said, well, I can't have people waking up from their
cancer surgery. I'm being fed a breakfast of
pancakes and waffles and bacon and sausage and.
And he said, yeah, the cafeteriais off the table.
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So what do you mean? He said, well, we are reimbursed
based on a number of criteria and one of the criteria that we
are reimbursed on is how good the food tastes.
And if we make the food healthy,we get lower scores and we get
less reimbursements. So cafeterias off the table.
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All right, let's just put that aside for a second and say,
aren't we obligated to do the right thing for these people?
Like this is an opportunity, this is a teaching moment.
This is a time in our life. They're in crisis.
They're listening. They just had a cancer surgery.
They just had a cardiac bypass. Like whatever it is, we have a
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teachable moment. We have an amazing opportunity
here. Shouldn't we be taking advantage
of it, showing these people how to eat and giving them an
example and teaching them, you know, healthy food is good and
necessary and delicious? And I said, you know, we're
really obligated to do this. And he said, no, I'm not
interested in doing that. I said, why?
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He said because if we teach themto be healthy, they're not going
to come back. And we make our money on cancer
surgeries and heart surgeries and operations, and we depend on
the people coming back. So no.
And I said thank you, goodbye. We are not on a similar path.
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We do not have the same interests at heart.
We are not on a similar mission.And this is the problem.
This is the problem that in our system we are only rewarded for
sickness. There is no way to reward the
doctors, the nurses, the hospitals, the anything.
They only make money when you'resick.
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They don't make money when you're well.
So there's no, there's no motivation for them to get you
well and so they don't. So that's my story.
Well, how lovely to end on that note.
Oh my gosh, this has been so fun.
I have monopolized a lot of yourtime, but I love it.
Could you please tell this audience where to get more of
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you? Yeah, absolutely.
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know someone with breast cancer or you have a breast cancer
diagnosis or you had a breast cancer diagnosis, The Smart
Woman's Guide to Breast Cancer. I wrote this book to inform you
of how to live the rest of your life in a way that is worthwhile
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and to help you make the decisions.
So thank you so much for displaying it on the screen.
Just want people to see it whileyou're talking.
Yes, the Smart Woman's Guide to Breast Cancers and Real Health
MD is where you go if you want my help.
So if you are dealing with a breast cancer diagnosis or you
had a breast cancer diagnosis and you want to know how to move
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on with the rest of your life where you're living with a
breast cancer diagnosis, you've met static disease.
Real healthmd.com. Sorry, one question, do you work
with people virtually or do theyneed to come into?
Town to see. I work with everyone virtually.
Oh wow, yeah. Oh, I'm so excited to hear that.
So The only exception is for those with a history of breast
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cancer who I'm giving them hormone replacement since that
is a major part of my practice is hormone replacement for women
who have had breast cancer because they are women too and
they deserve the same access to care that everyone else is
getting. So those people I have to see in
person, but don't worry because I'm opening up 50 centers around
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the country. They're going to be called
Perfection Imaging and Wellness.So you heard it here 1st and
there we are going to be using QT imaging for breast cancer
scanning, which is radiation free and pain free and
compression free. And we are using this in the
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context of a holistic screening program for breast cancer where
you have a breast examination, you take something called the
Aria test. I know we didn't talk about that
today. But I've heard it on your on
your. Podcast so the Aria test, AURIA
dot care and with the Aria test,this is a sample of your tears.
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So you just put a tiny litmus paper in your eye.
It doesn't hurt. Don't worry, you don't have to
cry, try and you send that back to the company and it measures
for two proteins, the S100A8 andS100A9 protein that when they
are elevated together, this is highly predictive of breast
cancer, but it's not a breast cancer test.
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It is a test to predict the likelihood or your risk for
breast cancer based on how much breast cancer specific
inflammation you have. So it is 93% sensitive, meaning
that 93% of the time if you havebreast cancer, this test will
identify it and it is 57 or 58% sensitive.
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And what that means is that 42% of the time, if you don't have
breast cancer, this test will still be positive, right?
But I want to be clear that there are no false positives for
this test. If you get a clinically
significant result on this test,you have the inflammatory
precursors to breast cancer. And if you don't change, breast
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cancer will develop. Got it.
It will. So what I think this test is, is
opportunity. It's an opportunity for many
women to know what their real risk is and to prevent the
clinical development of disease.Because when we, what we were
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talking about before, I don't believe in treating people
without symptoms, but let's try to prevent that from even
happening. So I always say if you get a
clinically significant result, the first thing you should do is
read my book, read The Smart Woman's Guide to Breast Cancer.
At Perfection Imaging. We are examining everyone.
We are doing the Aria test and we're doing QT imaging, which is
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sound waves transmitted through a water bath that creates a true
3D reconstruction of the breast without pain, compression or
radiation. So it is 100% safe and no one is
any worse for the wear after having had this kind of
screening. And what we are trying to do is
not identify every single thing,but identify the things that are
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meaningful and determine when and if we should even be
involved. So a lot of women, we see a lot
of things on these images, things that we never saw before.
And all we're trying to do is find what's meaningful.
People are like, well, I want toknow every little thing.
No, you don't, and you don't need to know.
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And I'm not trying to mansplain it, right.
But we have become so conditioned to go after
everything and go after everything.
Remember, that is for the purposes of overdiagnosing and
overtreating and that's what we're trying to get away from.
itsperfectionimaging.com. PERFEQTION imaging.com.
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Stay tuned and we will keep everything on the website so
you'll be able to hear there when it's opening in a town near
you. I'm also helping other providers
who want to bring this technology to their space
because for me, the most important thing is that we get
people access to safe screening and that we do it in a way that
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it actually can be preventative.Because when you're using
mammogram, all you're doing is radiating and hoping to develop
disease. When you're using Aria, Aria dot
care, AURIA dot care and you canuse my code doctor Jen 20DR JENN
20 to get 20% off. When you're using exam and Aria
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and QT, we are actually going tobe able to prevent diagnosis
because we're going to be able to say, hey, you're at increased
risk. What do we need to change?
Like how are you eating and how are you thinking and how are you
drinking and how are you moving and how are you sleeping and how
are you detoxing and all the things.
We're going to be able to say that and how can we turn the
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ship around? Because that's not the way you
want to go, right? So for someone listening who has
let's say a mammogram scheduled or it's on their To Do List,
what do you recommend if they don't live near you?
Do the Aria test, get A, get do a physical examination, do a
breast examination. I think everyone should be
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examining their breasts because again, unless you have clinical
disease, I don't want to say I don't care because that sounds
insensitive, but it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you don't have clinical disease.
It doesn't matter. So do a breast examination, do
the Aria test. And if the Aria test comes back
normal and you don't feel anything, you're good.
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And I think in the future, the Aria test is going to be used to
because they're, they're not going to have an exclusive on
this technology. This technology is very
repeatable, very copyable. And they'll be 10 different
tests out there that will do thesame exact thing.
And this will predict who does and who does not need imaging.
How often should someone do the Aria test?
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If you're at average risk once ayear, OK, if you have like a
bracha mutation or really strongfamily history, then you, you
could maybe do it every six months.
I actually, I, I, I don't like to make people crazy like want
to get overly obsessed with these things.
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So if you're checking in with yourself and you're doing your
labs, and because I have all thelabs that you should know about
yourself in my book, right? And if you're checking in with
yourself and examining yourself and you're doing the labs and
you don't have signs of systemicinflammation and your weight is
good and you're sleeping and you're eating right.
And all those things like once ayear is more than enough.
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And if you don't have those things dialed in, if you, if
your weight isn't optimized, if you're not sleeping at night, if
you're on the standard American diet, living the standard
American lifestyle, then first of all, don't do that.
And second of all, you might need more monitoring.
And especially if you're someonewith a bracha mutation or a PAL
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B1 mutation or any of those things that we know put you at
increased risk of breast cancer.And then lastly, so real
healthmd.com, perfectionimaging.com, you can
listen to my podcast, which is called Keeping abreast with
Doctor Jen, so good about a new episode every week, the book.
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And then lastly, you can find meon all the social channels.
I'm Doctor Jen Simmons and my Jen has 2.
Ends I am incredibly grateful that you carved out all this
time to be here. I want to invite you in
conclusion to raise a glass and we're going to say cheers to
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progress over perfection and taking small steps over those
damn hills. Amen, sister.
All right. Cheers.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.I'm just sending you so much
gratitude and blessings and, andjust good fortune.
Well. Thank you.
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I'll take it. I'll take all the blessings I
can get. Wow, right?
Hopefully you listen to both Part 1 and Part 2 and now you
are all caught up on how messed up the medical industry is, how
frightening the food system is, and how empowering it is to take
your breast health into consideration.
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Now let me get into Part 2's notes from the sidelines #1 if
you have a diagnosis, small things matter.
And this is kind of the message I'm giving in my new plant based
Quick Start program. Small things matter.
If you try to change everything at once, it'll be a disaster.
So every day be a little better.Start by eating real food again.
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That's the message of my program.
Eat Whole Foods, then plan to move a little and then drink
water. Start with those three things #2
what you eat and when you eat matters.
Sleep is when detoxification happens, and your body can't do
that if it's busy digesting food.
So consider stopping eating hours before you go to bed so
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that rest and digest can happen #3 how do you handle life
stress? How do you talk to yourself?
What's the story you're telling yourself?
All those things matter when it comes to your overall health and
Wellness #4 sometimes we have toamputate toxic things in our
lives because there's more to toxins than just chemicals.
So it's about recognizing the toxins in your life and
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eliminating them #5 health is a journey, and you never arrive.
Number six, when faced with challenges, tell yourself God
loves me and wouldn't put this in front of me if he didn't
think I could handle it #7 Consider an app to restrict
access to social media and othercommunication apps.
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It's good for awareness and reduction of use #8 the only way
to fix a bad habit is to replaceit with something better.
It's the idea of crowding out asopposed to cutting out.
Number nine, you need to be an education consumer because
social media has made it so easyfor quackery to spread.
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And yes, people are well-intentioned but there's a
lot of bad advice out there #10 Nonprofit does not mean non
sponsored. The well known nonprofits in the
health world are also arms of industry #11 the food pyramid is
a disaster and should be designed by what's necessary to
sustain us and optimize our functioning.
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But it's not #12 Hospitals servefood that is not good for us,
but they get rated and funded for how good the cafeteria food
tastes and and how well it's received by patients and
visitors. But the problem is if we teach
patients about getting healthy, they won't return to the
hospital and that becomes a money problem.
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And finally #13 if you have a clinical disease, read her book.
So I want to thank Doctor Jen Simmons again for coming on the
show and for all of you. For tuning in to both parts
because this was a master class and not just breast health, but
overall life health. So please share this episode,
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share it, share it everywhere. Put it on your social media, put
out a text. Blast share these two episodes
with Jen Simmons because they are gold.
And I want to remind you again to head to
gentlecoaching.com/veganism and join my new program.
It's about. About making these small
adjustments and feeling so supported while doing so.
Because when you've been doing things the same way for a long
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time, it is hard to change. But when you have a guide and
cheerleader beside you, it's so much easier.
And I am so excited to get womenhealthy feeling and looking good
and changing those neural pathways to live a cruelty free,
delicious, nutritious life that honors all living beings.
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It is possible we can do it. And I want to be here to support
you. So please check out my program,
share these episodes, and I'll see you right back here next
week for my empowering conversation with Nancy Griffin.
I'm sending you all good vibes, blessings and inspiration for a
plant powered life. Cheers to you.
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