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Jen Sattler is a midlife unfiltered mama navigating the M word (menopause) and empty nest life, using fashion, beauty, health & humor to get through it all.
Jen's Notes from the Sidelines:
- Social media offers people the opportunity to talk about uncomfortable things, or at least observe conversations and listen to others.
- It's important to connect and talk, not hide or think things are taboo. It's how we learn.
- Empty nesthood and kids getting older naturally changes your life, because you're no longer working around their schedules.
- You can go on youtube and learn just about anything!
- Stop overthinking and just start something..
- There are so many things at your fingertips. If you're not doing something, it's your fault.
- It's important to have confidence in yourself and not care what everyone thinks.
- We live in a culture of following masses.
- It's hard not to get influenced when we see messages over and over again.
- We live in a world where people have no filter and they're hiding behind a screen. Know that people will comment even without all the facts.
- With maturity and age comes the confidence to speak up. When you know better, you do better.
- In midlife, it's important to surround yourself with good friends, and learn to be comfortable in your own skin. If you're happy doing what you're doing, it doesn't matter what other people think.
- For nervous system regulation, go for a walk, sit outside and read, craft something, or rant on stories.
- Don't say, "I could never."
**The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to constitute legal or medical advice; all information, content, and material on this site are for generalinformational purposes only. This podcast contains links to other third party websites. Such links are only for the convenience and enjoyment of the user.
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(00:02):
Hey ladies, my name is Jenny Chaffetz and I am the host of
Sideline Sisters. Are you a busy mom, powerhouse
professional or high achieving go getter?
This show is for no BS women whowant to be inspired to get off
the sidelines of their lives. Ever feel like you're playing
small or safe or just on autopilot?
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My guests are relatable women who've gone on a journey,
overcome challenges, and live toshare the lessons that we want
to hear. These conversations will be
funny, sad, scary, wise, encouraging, and most of all,
real. So whether you're driving.
Doing. Chores, exercising, walking the
dog, or just laying on the couch.
(00:45):
Settle in and enjoy. I want to invite you to take
back your power, reignite your passions and step off the
sidelines. Let's go.
Hey everybody, welcome to this week's episode of the Sideline
Sisters Podcast. I'm Jenny.
I am your host and I'm a coach. I am super passionate about
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veganism and I want to demystifyit and make it so accessible for
everyone, for all the women listening.
So whether you are grappling with health concerns or not, you
probably know people who are Youhave aging parents or loved
ones, you have friends, or maybeyou have something yourself.
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I'm talking anything from chronic disease to acne,
thinning hair, aches and pains, gut issues, and pretty much
anything else you can pick out of a medical journal or woman's
magazine. I want to share this lifestyle
with you and empower you to takecontrol of your health in an
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easy, accessible, affordable, nutritious and delicious way
that also does no harm to the animal population.
So I would love to invite you into my new program, a four week
vegan lifestyle program. And we will talk about food,
exercise, sleep, stress, toxins and habits so that you can look
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and feel better than you do today.
And even if you are full of energy sitting in a body that
you are pretty content with, I bet you want to stay that way.
So maybe there are some little tweaks, little shifts that you
can make to ensure that you continue to feel vibrant,
positive, and let's not forget nourished.
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And I will tell you, as someone who endured a multi decade
battle with food, exercise and body image, finally now at 50, I
am so calm and safe in my body to a degree that I never
imagined possible. I was raised to diet, raised to
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exercise for weight loss or maintenance reasons, and I was
also raised to eat a lot of freaking animal products, just
as most of you. And so this isn't about blame or
shame. It's about undoing conditioning
and designing a new program for ourselves.
You know when you get that alertthat your phone is due for an
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update? You do it well, my friends.
Our bodies and the planet is duefor an update.
It simply cannot continue in this manner of animal
exploitation the way it's currently going.
It's just not working. It's not going to work long term
for this planet. And I'll also add that this is
not a diet. This is not about me on some
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environmental soapbox. This is about embodying, really,
truly embodying feelings of compassion, empathy, love,
acceptance, kindness, and respect.
For. All the beings everywhere.
But if you are looking for a newdiet then I'm I'm happy to share
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this with you as well. But I want you to know that it's
more than just the food on your plate.
It is such a caring, heartfelt approach to existence and as a
coach, it is my job to make it attainable for you to break it
down into simple steps so that you don't feel overwhelmed with
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something that's supposed to feel so good.
So I hope you will head to gentlecoaching.com/veganism.
The link is in the notes. And check out this four week
program that I'm launching to focus on all those areas of life
that I mentioned, bringing in the love and compassion so that
you look and feel amazing and there's absolutely no reason why
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you can't have it all. But if you're someone who is
used to celebrating, entertaining and kind of
revolving around animal products, you know you love to
go to steakhouses, BBQ joints, seafood restaurants, you love a
good clam bake. I get it, I do, I really do.
I grew up with all of this and now I do it differently.
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And as a result, I feel differently toward myself and
everything else. And to be clear, eating plant
based is the only diet approach that has been scientifically
proven to reduce chronic disease.
All of it. So I don't know about you, but
my goal is to avoid, as much as I possibly can control it,
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cancer, heart disease, diabetes,stroke, dementia, and just all
the other things that we associate with getting older.
It doesn't have to be that way. So take a baby step, join me in
this program and I assure you I will make this as easy,
enjoyable and satisfying as I possibly can.
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Now for today's episode, I bringyou the first of several
episodes devoted to style, fashion, image and how we women
connect with clothing and appearance.
She is a badass, relatable womanwho is doing her thing.
Jen Sattler is what I would calla fashion influencer and
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self-proclaimed midlife unfiltered Mama navigating the M
word. Menopause.
And empty nest life using fashion, beauty, health and
humor. She is down to earth, raw, real
and super stylish. So let's get into the
conversation with Jen Sadler. Welcome to another episode of
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Sideline Sisters. I am so excited.
Jen. Welcome.
Thank you for having me. All right, so as I mentioned to
you before recording, I first heard about you on Sarah
Millican's podcast. And like her, my goal on this
show is to showcase cool, brave women.
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And I would put you in that category because you, let's face
it, you show up very authentically and just present.
You present your physical self, you present ideas, you present
thoughts. And it's pretty unfiltered and
awesome. So I applaud you and I'm excited
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to share you with this audience.Thank.
You. I appreciate that.
All right, so let's just let's start this.
How do you define your presence online?
How do I define my presence online?
OK, unfiltered I, I, I just, I come as I am.
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I don't obviously get all done. I'm actually back from Pilates
and we had no water in the house.
So I have have Pilates on top and I threw jeans on on the
bottom so. I love it.
You know, you just go with it when you can.
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And that's a good question. You know, I think that for in
the morning with the coffee talks, I just kind of say what's
going through my head. I always said that like the all
the stories came about because all of this stuff going on in my
head and I just need to get it out.
So I guess that's how all the stories started to come about.
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And I don't really not going to say I don't care, but it's not
about what everybody thinks. I think that whatever your space
is here, you kind of find your people and your community.
And I think that we definitely created that on Instagram.
We definitely have we, I don't like to say ours, but all the
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people I think have a really nice community.
Not everybody always agrees, butwe kind of just all chat and
talk about what's on our minds and no, no, I feel like that's
what my presence is on social media.
Now, I mean, I think people would primarily not label you,
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but see you as is it, is it fairto say a fashion influencer, is
that OK? I definitely started that way.
I had a blog years ago and then I felt like I was so pressured
to have like 3 blog posts every week and to do it like this and
to do it like you have to grow, you have to, I do it like this.
I don't like those parameters toput.
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And whenever that happens, I never go.
I always go against it. So then when Instagram started
with that, you could start adding links to stories, it
became a much easier way for me to say instead of seeing like a
pair of shoes and having to put it in a blog, blog post with
like a whole outfit and come up with like a whole look.
I'm able to just say, Oh my God,I love these shoes.
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And it was much, much easier forme to like get it out just
through stories and then with all all with fashion.
And then it turned into like a whole nother thing with the
coffee talk in the morning, which I'm not really sure how
that started, but it definitely did start with fashion.
And now it's turned into, you know, a little bit of a
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something else. So let's let's step back a
second. So where did that even kind of
come from? I mean, I know you had mentioned
in that other podcast that you had been a stay at home mom and
you know, dabbled, maybe wanted it.
Don't we all want the ideal job of a nine to two and be
available for our kids and not have to bring work home?
But since that typically doesn'texist, when and what?
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So your kids were a little olderat this point.
What was the plan? Like?
Was there this vision of being, you know, like a fashion
journalist? Or was it like, I just need
something to do and I'm going tojust talk about my life?
What was that all about? I think like back in the day
when you, when, you know, we first started to see people like
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Ariel Charnes something Navy andthe way they blew up, and I
think those circumstances are different.
She was like right place, right time.
And not that you're chasing thator wanting that, but you, you
know, you see that. And I think that's how it really
started when you started to see people like that on social
media. And then you, you also have to
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like check yourself and think like, I don't know, she was a
certain demographic and she blewup for whatever the reason, all
of her or whoever it was blew upfor whatever reason.
And I always felt like I was like the little engine that
could. So it's just going to keep doing
what I was doing and I kind of appreciate whatever comes in
from that. And then I think that like, you
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know, you see, this is years ago, all these people getting
these big brand deals and invited to these big thing.
It was much different than the whole platform was much, much
different than and you're like, you know, you have to be so big
to get to this or whatever. And now now it's much, much
different with being able to useshop my or like to know it.
And it's a definitely a different space these days.
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But then I think with my youngerson, when I was driving him to
high school and on my way home from driving him to school, I
would have all these thoughts inmy head and I would get home and
I would pour my second cup of coffee and I would sit down and
I would just get on stories and be like, and then it evolved
into that. And I don't know, it's I don't
know. It's a weird balance of things,
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but I don't know. I think it seems to be working.
It's working, Yeah, I would say.I mean, for my for my lens, it
is. I mean, you're a complete in the
real world, complete stranger tome.
But as you use the word community, which is perfect
because I feel like I'm a part of your world, even though we've
never met in real life and we don't live near each other.
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But we share this like special bubble online.
So I'm curious what real life islike versus online life, Like
you created this community. Was there something missing in
real life or was it just an opportunity to add something?
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I think. It just happened totally
organically. It wasn't nothing was a plan,
nothing. You know, I wasn't even, I
wasn't thinking ahead. I wasn't thinking, oh, let's
pivot, let's do it this way. None of that it just, I don't
know, I think it just evolved into something and a lot of what
we talk about in the morning comes from DMS, from other
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people and from our group chat in the DMS, because sometimes
depending on what we talk about,it's a very, people are very
vocal about certain things and we talk about that.
It could be something serious ora frozen shoulder, what
everybody's doing for frozen shoulder.
It could be other things that are more serious, but a lot of
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what we talk about now is definitely comes from like all
of you guys and the group chat, as I'm starting to call it.
So look, we're all not, we're all, but so many of us are all
like the same age and we're experiencing the same things.
And you know, a lot of people don't like to talk about things
and we kind of just talk about it and it's almost like it's
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almost like a podcast, but just like all and like little
snippets of things. I don't know, literally, I think
it was just really happening organically.
It's so interesting, don't you think, that, like you said,
there's so many women out there in this demographic who have
shit to talk about and yet it doesn't seem like they're
talking about it, but they want to talk about it.
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And so thank God we have this online space.
It's. Well, I think they don't want to
talk about it. At least they can hear, they can
listen to other people talking about it and they can find some
sort of, you know, connection toother people.
And, you know, oh, really? I'm not the only one who's
dealing with that. Or really, you know, your
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husband annoys you like, whatever it is.
You know what I mean? It's, it's because some people
just, you know, don't want to say something out loud and they
need to feel a connection with other people, people.
And I think it's important that we all talk about things and
not, you know, hide or think that things are taboo or when
our mothers were young, they whispered things.
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I mean, I think that we all needto like talk about it and well,
what are you doing for this? Oh, really?
I never heard of that. Like that's how you learn.
So I think that that's what's important.
We're all really learning so much from each other so.
Yeah, I mean, that's how I went down the rabbit hole podcast.
I was like, wait a second, It's like I can curate my own radio
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show. Like I'm I'm choosing episodes
to listen to based on the stuff in my life that matters, that I
can't just go to Target or the lady next door and ask like,
well, what do you think about hormones or what are you doing
with this bloated stomach? Or, you know, it's it's like
it's all there for us in this virtual space.
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It's. Crazy finds that so many people
like all the people who you follow is has changed so much
over the years and what your what your content looks like and
who you're following is so different now than you know.
It's so crazy. It's crazy.
And I love them. And.
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We could just keep changing it. Like when I was moving a few
years ago, I think I followed like 75 different personal
organizers and now I'm like, Oh my God, get out of my feed
because I don't need to see any more perfect linen closets.
I'm done. Totally.
Oh God, it is funny. OK, so many questions about your
your platform. Do you find or how do you find
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your connections with your groupchat, online community DMS
versus real life friends? What do you notice to be
different? Pros.
Cons. Well, I think that the DMS is a
lot of Instagram community and so many of the people I know
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well now, like they tell me, youknow, they were just in a car
accident, they just lost their dog, you know, so like you
really form a connection with a lot of people.
So that's really a lot of the DMS are things like that.
Some, some people I, we speak every single day.
We literally DM each other. Like I have a, a small group of
people. We DM each other almost every
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single day. And so that's what the CMS are.
You know, real life is different.
I have group chats going, you know, real life and same thing.
We send each other things back and forth, but it's it's weird.
Like you have a connection with the Instagram community and a
close connection with a lot of people.
They're having grandkids, their kids are getting married.
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What do you think about this dress or what kind of shoes do
you think I should wear to this?Or I don't know why I'm telling
you this, but I just got into a car accident and I feel like
it's just, there's a deep connection in the DMS and it's a
community. I mean, we're all like like
minded women and all, you know, have kids similar ages or
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similar circumstances. And it's, it's an ongoing chat.
It never shuts off. And sometimes I just double like
it. Like I'll just like it if I
don't have time and I can't engage.
But for the most part I do try to engage with a lot of the
comments. That's so good.
So I heard you say on the other podcast that as we get older, we
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need to find our voice and and feel confident expressing
ourselves. What was that process like for
you? Because I think this idea of
finding your voice and feeling confident is not exactly normal
or settling for a lot of people.So were you always confident?
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Did you find that there was thislike breaking point of I have
stuff to say and I'm just going to do it?
My husband will always say, whenI met you, you never said a
word. That's what my husband always
says. Like him and his friends always
joke when they're together. She never used to talk.
I don't know. I think things change when, you
know, you have kids and your kids get a little bit older and
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maybe not even like empty nesting, but but it's, it's a
different rhythm when your kids are out of the house.
Like it's not just the get up and go and sit on the bleachers
and, you know, go to, you know, the recital and do those things.
It's, it's, it's a totally different pace.
Your friendships totally change because you're not on the
sidelines with people. You are time changes people.
You know, it's not like, OK, we're dropping off at 8:00.
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I'll meet you at, you know, the gym and we'll go do this or
we'll go take a walk or, you know, things really change.
So I don't know. You just have you have to, you
know, I think so many people arealways stuck in a circle with
like things for their kids. And this is what your life just
revolves around. And people who are stay at home
moms, it's all about the kids. It's all.
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About what am I going to make for dinner?
It's all about the husbands. It's all about the this.
It's all about. And then all of a sudden it's
like, well, what am I going to do now?
And I need to cater to myself atsome point and not just be for
everybody. And I think a lot of people also
live in a world where, you know,still live in a world where kind
of like what the husband says goes and, you know, live a life
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like that. And it's hard for people to find
a space and find something to dofor themselves.
And I don't know whether it's, as I said on the other one, like
knitting, gardening, whatever, like you need to do something
for yourself. How many days can you just go?
And I mean, it's nice to go havelunch with your girls, but like
to do something that's like meaningful to you is, I mean,
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it's meaningful to have a connection and have friends and
go and have gifts saying that. But to have something that you
can say, look, look what I have done, look what I have planted,
look what I have made instead ofjust sitting and doing just for
everybody else. I don't know, I think people
need to put their minds to it. I think people are scared to do
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something for themselves and they think that they're going to
fail or how do I do it? I'm like, just go on YouTube,
You can learn how to do anything.
I, I don't know, I think that that's important.
I don't know how it all happens or started or evolved, but like
I see something I'm like, go to the craft store and I'm going to
try it. It doesn't work out.
It doesn't work out. But like, at least I'm doing
like do something, you know, So I don't know, I think it's
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important for, you know, us all to find that something or
maintenance, whatever. Yeah, I totally agree to the
fight. In yoga, go whatever it is like,
but it's important for us that to have something, yeah, that's
not just revolving around everybody else.
Exactly. I totally agree.
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Pardon the Interruption, but I have to ask, how are you
feeling? Like legit, how do you feel day
in and day out? Because if your answer is tired,
bloated, achy, brain foggy, irritable, then that's not good.
That's not the way we were meantto live and somehow so many of
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us accept that fate. We just think it's natural to
get older and feel crappier. But my friends, it doesn't have
to be that way. So I want to invite you into my
plant based group program. This is meant for you if you
want to take your health seriously, you're done dieting
and you just want to freaking feel good.
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I'm offering you support, guidance, cheerleading, recipes,
checklists, all kinds of good stuff in a community so that you
don't feel restricted and deprived and lonely.
Think of it as dating veganism. You don't have to marry it.
Just go on a few dates, see how it goes.
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So please check the show notes or go right to
gentlecoaching.com/veganism. And let's get started.
Now let's get back to the episode.
Were there aspects of your life,relationships, time, usage that
were affected once you decided I'm going to pursue stuff about
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me now I. Think so because you have all
this timeline on your hands likeyou're like, OK, now what?
I don't have to do pick up that,you know, I don't have to be at
the in the car line. I don't have to think about Oh
no, does this person need a suitfor this?
Or like you have time? I'm I'm just using time that was
there but using it differently. That's a good one That's people
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should hear that one. We the same time just using it
differently. But you said how your husband
married someone who never spoke up and now he and his friends
are like whoa, why she's she's all of a sudden has opinions and
she's can't shut up. So how are people?
How have people in your life responded to this version of
you? This evolved.
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I don't know, I think my friendsprobably don't see any
different. And my father says all the time,
he's like, but what is he called?
He's like, are you broadcasting today?
Love it. So I think it's really cute that
my parents, like my mother, willDM me something that she saw on
Instagram in the morning. I think that that's like the
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cutest thing. They're in their 80s.
So I don't know. I don't think that I don't know.
I think that everybody, you know, all the people around you
kind of grow with you. You know, they might see the
difference, but I think that they're all with you on or
you're all with, you're with them on their journeys and we
all just, you know, acclimate. So aside from like a ping of,
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oh, I want to learn how to do Indian cooking, what could it
look like for a woman who has been doing the the routine,
whether she works or not? But doing the carpool, doing the
basketball practice, prepping dinner, the stuff are, like you
said, picking up dry cleaning and things like that.
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And kids are getting older or they've left, and now there's
this new found time. What would be your advice to
women on how to find something for themselves?
I think that you can't over. I think we all overthink things
too much. And then once we overthink it,
then we like stay frozen in time.
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I think that whatever it is, youjust have to do it and you just
have to start. And it might not work out and
you might fail at whatever it isthat you're starting, but you're
never going to know until you doit.
And you just have to just do it.Even with my kids, I'm like, OK,
so do it. Just try it.
Let's see how it works out. But you're never going to know
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until you do it. You know, right now, if you are
still cooking for the family andyou love to cook, film a video
of yourself cooking. And maybe like it does not
everything has to be social media for sure.
But you could start a sub stack about like your favorite
recipes. And you know, there are all
these different things that you can, you know, if you love
writing, start a snub stack. It's really, really easy.
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It's it's fun. If you're interested in doing
whatever, check your local library, see if they're they
have classes and you can learn or whatever.
I mean, there's so many things at our fingertips that if we
want to do something and we're not doing it, it's our own fault
that we're not doing it because the opportunities are
everywhere. Yeah, you just have to start.
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Yep, exactly. Just start.
I know it's, it is scary though.I mean, that fear of failure is
real. It's it's been like drilled into
our heads of, you know, if you can't do it, well, don't do it
at all. And what are people going to
say? And now look what you've done.
So it can be intimidating to say, like, I think I'm going to
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go try like an adult figure skating class like.
What? What are you?
Thinking you might break something I was going to.
Say you might break a hip on that one.
Maybe that was a bad idea, but like I might.
Not try. Like, like am I going to really
be a sourdough bread maker? Like how do I even?
Maybe. Yeah, maybe.
Why do people are now? It's actually on my list.
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I know. It's just, it's scary.
You know what, I have people DM me and they're like, I want to
start sharing links. How did you start, blah blah
blah. And I try and help a few people
walk them through how to do their shop my's and and they're
like, well, how do you speak? How do you do this?
I'm like, you will find your voice and everybody can do it in
their own way, but you have to start first and then you will
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find your own way of doing things.
Whatever it is that you want to do, you don't have to do it the
way Sally does it. You can look to Sally for
guidance and see the way Sally'sdoing something, but then finds
your own way to do the same thing.
And it might be adult figure skating or whatever it is.
But that's why also all of thesesocial media platforms are so
great because you can go and TikTok and learn everything
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about sourdough bread making andthen, you know, home and try and
do it yourself. And what am I doing wrong?
And now you have all of these, you know, tutors everywhere to
learn something. It is troubling to me when I see
other people struggling to find their voice, like you said.
I mean, I see it. I have a heightened awareness.
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I feel like I've got, you know, dog hearing for people who are
copycatting or you know, and it's that it's like I, I want
to, I want them to go like do some breath work and.
Right and find your space right?Don't do it like that person.
Find your yes I agree with you 100% because it's it's forced
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and people see that it's forced.Right.
Right. And it's like there's something
in you that's so valuable. Why do you think you need to do
it like she does? Like it's fine, you're good
enough. Yeah, definitely.
And you're going to find people who enjoy watching how you do
it. Exactly right.
So with your social media platform and you know, you go on
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every day and it's like, here's my outfit and you look so cute
and you've got a certain style of the way you do it, which is I
love because it's just predictably you at this point.
You know, the way you go on likethis is this, this is this,
these are my sunglasses, my my, you know, vintage Chanel bag or
maybe it's Walmart or maybe it'sAmazon and going to the drug
store. I love it.
(29:41):
Like, I now imitate you with other people because I'm like,
I'm going to just do Jen Zeidlertoday.
And like, these are my Marshall's jeans.
And I'm like. Well, but you know what?
If someone runs into you, you can do it a different way.
And say it's. Me blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and I'm going to, you know, RiteAid and then you actually go to
Rite Aid and you're in sweatpants and like a RIP
(30:03):
sweatshirt. Then people are going to be
like, that was not you. So that's why I always say like
I I don't have makeup. Like if you run into me walking
through town, this is me. That's why with the filters and
all those things, it's like, I don't know, you have and it's
fine if that's what you like. But when when you're going to
see people and they're going to say, like, I just saw you on
(30:26):
Instagram and now you're like, like, I don't like that.
You have to be. You have to be yourself.
Yeah, no, that person's a liar. I don't like that.
But what is, is there a future vision or I mean, even when you
started the social media, was there a thought of I'm going to
(30:48):
grow a business here? Is that a thought Now?
What is what's kind of the purpose of every day showing up
saying here's my outfit and hereare some links?
I don't know therapy. I don't know that's a good
question, but a little probably a little bit of therapy, but you
know, with companies now like shop my, which is it's an
(31:09):
affiliate link company. I'm not saying that right, but
there are I. Think I think most people have
an understanding of both of the like the shop my and like to
know I think people. Shop My is doing a lot of really
great things, even for. It used to be like you couldn't
get approved for these things unless you had a large
following, and that's not the case anymore with Shop My.
And that's why, like I always say, if someone wants help with
(31:31):
shock my I'm happy to help them share the links.
And you know, because you can earn even if you're doing
something else, even if you're ateacher, you can earn like a
passive income with it. And it makes a difference,
especially in the life that we live now.
So what is the future? You know, I think the future, it
will probably evolve in some way.
I mean, I hope the future evolves into like more brand
(31:56):
deals, which little by little things like that definitely
happen. But I think that I will keep
doing it probably the same way until it organically evolves on
its own based on maybe like if my lifestyle changes a little,
but I still every day, like evenbefore the Internet, when there
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was a when I had stacks of magazines, I loved Marie Claire.
If you would go through whatever, you would always go
and see, oh, who makes those jeans?
Where can I, you know, where canyou?
And so now with, you know, theseemails, every single day I look
at my emails, I'm like, I love these.
I'm going to share them because somebody else might love them.
So I don't know, will that change?
(32:39):
Will I stop seeing things that Iwant to share with people?
I'm not sure. But I think that when it does,
it's just going to naturally evolve into something else.
I don't have a plan. I don't have a plan about what I
speak about in the morning. I don't ever have a script.
I never write anything down. I never.
I just go with it. And however it turns out or
whatever it's going to evolve into, I think that that's the
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way it's supposed to be. I don't know.
That's so good, I love it. Very simple, but it's just, you
know, I can't overthink things. And when you do overthink things
and you do like there are certain days I won't be on here
because I'm just not feeling it.And when you're not feeling it,
you do come on. Then people see it, they read
it, it's you can tell. So I just let it go the way it
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ever it is. However it's flowing, it's not
very deep, it's not very well thought out.
It's not probably that's why I still don't have that many
followers in the scheme of things.
But it's just as I said, the little engine that could I get
another follower. I thank the universe for another
follower, which I hate the word followers, but you know, you
just have to thank the universe for someone bought an H&M pair
(33:47):
of pants that you know, I shared.
I thank you for that Commission that I got from that, and that's
the way I take it. So what is your relationship to
shopping like? Are you?
Yeah, I'm. Very sensible.
See now I wouldn't have thought that if you didn't say that cuz
I'm looking at the like different outfits everyday very
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stylish I'm like. But it's not always new.
Right. Not always new.
I wear out like this is a cashmere sweater.
It has some holes in it. It's from a thrift store, you
know, so it's not, it's not always new.
When it's new, I'll tell you all, it's new, but it's not.
I wear a lot of the same things over and over again, and I'm a
(34:33):
sensible shopper. I like things on sale.
I love the real, real, I love all of I love Fashion File, the
real, real Poshmark. I like to find interesting
pieces. I don't want to be wearing
exactly the same thing that everybody else is wearing.
I remember, but maybe you'll remember this because we're
around the same age when I was in high school and everyone was
(34:54):
shopping at either The Gap, The Limited, or Benetton, there was
this argy, I think it was an Argyle sweater from the Gap.
And I went to a really preppy high school and every.
Day it would be like. There's four people wearing it.
There's six people wearing it. I'm like, get me something
different, Where can I go? And I go into my mother's closet
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because she didn't have those clothes.
Yeah, I, I was so fed up with seeing the same.
When I did get the Benetton Rugby, most people had it in
blue. I got it in green.
I don't think I was that evolvedyoung, because when you're young
you want what everybody. Has.
But also my mom, I'm one of three girls.
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My mother worked at Macy's so wehad a discount for clothes.
And when my friends were getting5 Benetton sweaters for Hanukkah
Christmas, my mother was waitinguntil we Benetton had that like
half yearly sale and that's whenwe went to Benetton for our
Argyle sweaters. So.
There was a Benetton outlet up in New Hampshire where we used
(35:59):
to go skiing, so that was the key.
Yeah, so I always say it's so funny.
Before when we had dance class when I was in 7th grade and it
was like in a strip center and there was like what we called
the stationary store back then. And we would always go into the
stationary store where we get like Tiger Beat pack of gum and
then go to dance class. I would always get the pack of
(36:19):
gum that had the seven pieces instead of the five piece.
I'm a, I'm a sensible. I'm a sensible shopping.
I don't know, not always sensible.
I mean, definitely you go off the board.
But I am definitely a sensible shopper and I'm not a over
shopper. I don't think.
I don't think maybe I am a little.
Maybe someone else needs to comein and assess that for you.
(36:41):
Maybe you're too close. Dave, that might be true.
So. How does?
Someone figure out their style. I mean, I see you in your videos
and it's like everything makes sense on you.
Like you know, you know you, youknow your body, you know your
(37:02):
style. It's obvious to me.
How does someone else figure that out?
That's a good question. You know, I, I don't know, like
I feel like the young girls are all chasing the same style and
they all have to have what somebody else has because
somebody else has it. I think that those same people
(37:23):
are looking at things also and not confident enough yet in
themselves to be like, I know everybody has this, but I really
like this and it's hard for themto go for the one thing that
they really like because they see everybody else and something
else. And I think that once you get
over that and then someone's like, hey, where did you get
(37:43):
that? I think then you figure out I
don't need to have all of those things, but it's hard.
I mean, a lot of people are always chasing what somebody
else has. I mean, we all do it.
We all see somebody wear something and we think it's like
the cutest thing and we all haveto have it.
But you know, you know, it's notgoing to look good on you or you
know, you're not going to wear it.
I don't know. I think that I think it's
(38:05):
important, important to have confidence in yourself and not
care what everybody else thinks.And I think you have to get to
that point that you don't need to have what everybody else has.
And it's not even about, it's just like if you, if you still
want to wear a Benetton sweater from 1986, then you should wear
that Benetton sweater from 1986.And it doesn't matter if you
(38:25):
know, everyone's wearing cake now you know what I mean it you
should just wear it what you like and how you like to wear it
and have the confidence in that.And I don't know, it's very,
it's AI think that it's, it's confidence for a lot of people
because they don't believe in themselves yet.
Do you think there's any connection between social media,
(38:49):
the Amazon culture, and the lackof confidence in developing
style? You know the fact that you open
up the Amazon app to buy Duct? Tape.
Toilet paper. Yeah.
And you all of a sudden you see like the trending outfits or
like suggestions for you and you're like, Oh well, if
everyone is wearing that dress, I guess I should have that dress
(39:12):
versus I should think for myselfwhat I like, what would look
good on me. Well, I think that also when you
start to go through your closet and get rid of stuff and you
notice what you're getting rid of, if it's all of the Amazon
stuff that that's all the stuff that you're donating, then you
probably don't need all the Amazon stuff, you know?
But I definitely think, I mean, we live in such a culture where
(39:34):
we just want to follow the masses in things that we
believe, obviously with what's happening in the world and what
people are wearing. And, you know, look, I'm guilty
of it too. I mean, I have a TikTok
presence. I, you know, get things from the
TikTok shop and promote things from the TikTok shop, but I'm
also wearing it a lot of the times.
So but I, I fall into the same category.
(39:57):
It's hard not to get influenced with all of these things when
we're seeing it over and over again.
Yeah. So my answer is yes.
I think that I think my answer is yes on that.
We're we're living a. A crazy time where everything
we're just following the masses.OK, so that leads me to you've
got this really interesting likeparallel Rd. on your social
(40:24):
media where you've got the the videos of what I'm wearing and
I'm going out tonight. This is this is my outfit.
But then you've got your storiesthat are your coffee chats and
and things like that, which are not necessarily about fashion.
So what now I know you started off the conversation saying, you
(40:46):
know, you had these thoughts in your head and this is a place to
just kind of purge them. What is that experience like for
you? Well, it's definitely can go
different ways. I mean, you know, sometimes you
have to be careful because you you want to say what you want to
say, but you're also scared to see what the backlash is going
(41:06):
to be because there's going to be backlash for a lot of the
things and people. We also live in a world where
people have no filter and they're hiding behind the screen
and they will type out whatever they want to type out and they
do not care. So I don't know, I think a lot
of times, sometimes I'll lay offcertain things if it's getting
(41:26):
to like things with Israel or things like that.
If it's just you have to read the room sometimes, most of the
time I don't. I just kind of, I don't know.
It's a hard question. A lot of times.
I just have to get it out of my head.
I mean, I really do especially like with the thing with
Barstool with Dave. And then when you know, the
really thing that got it gets me, it's the comments really get
(41:50):
me. When you start to read the
comments and you think like thisis the world we live in with
thousands and thousands of comments all leaning a certain
way. It's like, how do you sit there
and not talk about it? Like it's so a lot of times I I
have to get out of my head. Yeah, I don't.
Know he's he's brave. I I really applaud no.
(42:12):
He definitely, yeah. He did not back down from it.
Yeah, but. And people don't even know who
he is. And someone messaged me, they're
like, I see that he's a bar owner, but he should have
handled it differently. I'm like, I don't think you know
who Dave Portnoy is. Yeah, I have.
I have a friend who's like he's her secret crush and.
Yeah. We talk about him a lot.
(42:34):
You know, and also on on the stories, a lot of people
sometimes don't even know what you're talking about, but they
still comment they because everybody has to be right and
has to chime in and has to, you know, they can't.
They think everybody thinks thatthey know what they're talking
about. And the comment sections are
(42:55):
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Now let's get back to the show. When you come across as a
fashion influencer, but then on your stories you're going on a
tirade or expressing your emoting about anti-Semitism and
someone's reaction is, like I said about the comments, I came
here for fashion. Yeah.
(44:00):
I don't want to hear your political views or I don't want
to hear your life opinions. Just tell me what to wear.
Where do I get the jeans? See ya.
I mean, honestly, I can't, you know, if or if people are like
stick to stick to fashion. I'm like leave, you know, that's
never been what this is, you know, So if you want something,
(44:25):
you know, pretty and all done up, that's not here.
We're we're a little bit messy here and undone.
You know, it's life. If you want, if you want
something more curated that that's not here.
There's nothing curated about mylife, how we live.
He comes to my house like it's just, it's all how it is.
It's not we don't live a perfect, well curated, perfectly
(44:49):
curated life. So if that's what people are
looking for, there's a million other accounts that they can
follow and it's all good. Yeah, that's refreshing.
And that's why I have a virtual background.
Let's just be clear about that. So again, I know you said that
your husband married a quiet person or someone who wasn't
(45:11):
that expressive, but you speak now with such confidence and
self assurance in this. You know, if you don't like it.
Take a hike. These are my thoughts.
Unfollow. I don't care.
Were you a confident child? Were you the type to, you know,
tell, I don't know, a bully at school to fuck off?
(45:33):
Like what? No.
I mean, I don't know, definitelynot definitely more on the shy
side, 100% definitely. I don't know.
I also I think I might be a little bit delusional and I
talked in my high school friendschat.
I don't think that we had that kind of I might be delusional.
(45:54):
I think we grew up like in a nice high school and people
weren't like, it wasn't like it is now you're.
Delusional. I'm not sure.
People didn't have that. I'm sure people did not have
that same experience, I'm sure 100%.
But I just, I don't, I remember people being shitty to each
other, but now I think like, howdo you not stand up?
(46:15):
How do you not say something? And I mean, I think that that
just comes with maturity and with age, you know, like you
just know better. You're going to do better.
So I think a lot of it is just maturity and just, you know,
seeing how your kids were treated and it's just life how
you end up changing and not standing for anything anymore.
(46:38):
So you have to say something. Yeah.
But maybe not everybody does. I'm sure not everybody does, but
definitely not not my younger self.
Definitely. I don't think I would have been
like, I don't think so. I think it's hard for people at
a young age to have that kind ofa voice.
I think it's easy for people to have the, to have the bullying
(47:00):
voice and to have that side of it.
But it's hard for the other people to, you know, everyone
ends up being more of a bystander.
Yeah, because it's too hard to find your voice at that point.
Now, we don't have excuses. We have to.
We have to stand up and say what's right.
There's no excuses now. Yeah.
(47:22):
To the topic of midlife womanhood, what are your highs
and lows? You know, if we were sitting
around the dinner table, give methe high, give me the low.
Highs, I don't know, I mean highs.
I just, I mean, I don't think anything's so bad.
I mean, I think that it's important to surround yourself
(47:44):
with good friends and, you know,have dinners with your
girlfriends and, you know, I'm away and like, we had dinner
Thursday night and everyone's like, what supplements you want?
What, what creatine, what this, what that.
So highs are still having groupsof people close to you who you
can, you know, have these discussions with.
(48:04):
And Lowe's are weight gain from estrogen.
I don't know, That's like sleep.Issues.
Sleep issues, I mean thinning hair, like all of those shitty
things, but I don't know, I don't I don't have I don't see
(48:25):
like I don't see lows. I don't like the I don't like
that low. I think that highs are, you
know, definitely being appreciative highs of midlife.
I don't know, you have to be happy in your own skin and you
have to be comfortable in your own skin.
And I think that that's like that's a high and all those
(48:47):
things happen with good friends and good relationships and, you
know, things like that. But I think that that you really
need to figure out how to be comfortable in your own skin and
not hear what other people say or which obviously it affects
all of us and but you have to beable to brush it aside or not
take every single thing to part,even though that's not always so
(49:09):
easy to do. But understands where certain
things come from, from certain people.
And if you're happy doing what you're happy doing, then it
doesn't matter what other peoplethink about what you're doing.
When I first started to blog, I know so many people were saying
shit about it behind my back. I know it like 100%.
(49:29):
And then, you know, you had to be just like, well, I don't
care. I'm not happy doing this.
This is something I'm going to start.
It's going to, and that's with everything.
I mean, I'm sure when you started the the podcast, people
were like, she's starting a podcast.
Yeah, yeah. You just were like, this is
something I want to do and you know, and I'm just going to do
it. And I think we need to all learn
(49:51):
to like believe in ourselves enough that we're just going to
do it. And it's and it's not so deep if
the podcast workout if the. Right.
Things didn't workout if you know your sub step doesn't
workout. If your garden all dies, you can
go plant all new things. You know, like it's not that
deep, but you should find something that you want to do
(50:11):
and not just, you know, having lunch with the girls, which
again, is not, not a terrible thing.
Obviously I love my girlfriends and but going out for a manicure
every day and then having lunch is not like I I think that you
need to have something deeper for yourselves than just
something like, and I'm not knocking that.
I like to do that. Of course, of course.
(50:33):
But it was. Saying it's, it's nice to have
something meaningful for yourself to do that, you know,
and maybe it is making baking bread or just for your family or
giving it to your whatever it is.
Yeah. But I think that it it's
important for everyone to find something. 100 percent, 100%,
yeah. Like, I'm not going to say no to
(50:55):
a massage or a manicure. No.
But I mean, I just got my roots done this morning and it's like
the highlight of my week. It's it's so wonderful, but it's
not the the bulk of my existence.
There's no meat, meat to it. There's no yeah.
Yeah, it's a task, essentially. It felt good, but it's a task,
(51:16):
So what? Do you do?
Besides dinner with your girlfriends or lunch, what helps
you take care of your soul? What How do you define
self-care? How do you How do you regulate
your nervous system? That's a good question.
(51:38):
That's a good question. I do like to go for a walk.
That's definitely. I like to be outside.
I would not even sitting outsidereading a book.
I'm like, this is like Xanax to me.
It is just if I get very anxiousor nervous, I need like a
project. I'm like, I'll go buy a canvas
and maybe paint something or like I, I have to create like a
(51:59):
busy work or something. I think that's, you know, very
nervous days. I need to, I need to do
something like paint something, plant something, you know, I
need to, I need to move and it'susually not like move like go to
applies class. It's usually like I need to go
for a walk, listen to something,I need to just.
(52:21):
It's almost like a mind and bodyat the same time.
Definitely like some people are like get nervous.
They're like, they have to cleanthe house.
They have to like, you know, they, it's, it's that kind of,
you know, kind of energy that you have to like move and keep
busy until it like until it passes.
(52:41):
Or. Get on to stories and.
And just like. Have someone talk to you down.
Yep, just diary it all a lot. Definitely happens a lot, you
know, because whatever you're anxious about, if you come on
and you're talking about it, somebody else is going to relate
to you and definitely going to give you some sort of advice or,
(53:03):
you know, something and it definitely helps, yeah.
I love that. No, that's really.
That's a that's a really good take away for someone that the
doing something because I think a lot of people, I mean, I talk
a lot about modalities like doing breath work and tapping or
Reiki or meditations, but the idea of actually like painting
(53:27):
or gardening that is so basic, it's so attainable.
It's not, it's. Not anything you know.
No, I mean for anyone who's got kids, you probably have
construction paper and watercolors in your house.
So I know I have about 40. Pallets, pallets, yes.
(53:50):
In a shoe box somewhere. So it's really, and it's very,
and it's really fun. I mean, yeah.
I mean, during COVID I was beating, I was just buying beads
and beading and just keeping busy making, you know, the, the
bead chain, like, you know, justeverybody has something in them.
They just have to like do it. A lot of people are like, and I
(54:10):
always I've been saying like a lot of times some of the
comments are like, I could never, I could never, I could
never. And I I thought about like some
of the comments that people werecommenting, I could never on.
I'm like, really? That's like nothing.
What do you mean? I could never?
Why are we saying I could never?Like I'll say like Barry's boot
(54:32):
camp. I could never.
I was going to say I mean climbing Everest I could never,
but I. Could.
If I committed myself to that, yeah.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
But like certain little things, like I, I think it's such a bad
phrase that we have in our head that is like an I could never, I
don't like that. I'm like, I think that we could
(54:52):
all do what we, we just if we want to do something, just get
up and do it. You just have to start.
And that's like, I think that nobody knows how to start or
where to start or but you have to start at the beginning.
Well, that is, that is the goal then of this episode is to
inspire people to start, start. Whatever it is.
(55:13):
Yeah, I mean, when people like you show up and say just start,
it's another voice in the head to combat the I could never so.
Yeah, yeah. The I could never is not.
I don't like that phrase. And look, we all, we're all
guilty of it. We all say it.
I could never, I mean like I'm never going to say I could never
bake sourdough because I can't. That's where I can choose to do
(55:34):
it right. But it's like, you know, so it's
the I could never is is. I think we have to get stuff
like that out of our heads. I like that because I I just
attended a retreat and she talked about language, the power
of language and changing ones that we've heard of before.
Like, don't shit on yourself. Can't.
I get to. I don't have to.
(55:56):
I get. Yeah, yeah, instead of I can't,
she said. Rephrase it to I won't.
Like if you're going to say I can't get up at 5:00 AM to go to
the gym, No, it's not. You can't.
It's. You won't.
Like, own it. Yeah, just own it.
Because there's no reason that you can't.
You're just choosing not to. And when you, you know, rephrase
it like that, it's like, oh, OK,well, if I'm telling myself I
(56:19):
won't get up to go to the gym at5:00 AM, that's fine.
That's fine. It's also my fault then, and I'm
not going to complain about it because it's not like.
Right. I wasn't handcuffed to the
bedpost. It was my choice.
Exactly. And so, yeah, I love that.
I could never really. Yeah.
Let's sit with that. And now we're going to hear
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ourselves say it, and then we'regoing to correct, and then we'll
correct ourselves every time we hear ourselves say it.
Yeah, because when I keep. In Julie always says I get to, I
get to, I don't have to walk thedogs.
I get to, I get to and it's you have to retrain your brain.
And I think like when we get to be this age that like the house
is quiet, your kids aren't here,they're busy doing whatever.
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And, you know, so like, look, a lot of people get to and they're
happy not having something to dofor themselves.
Maybe, you know, their life is about going for lunch and going
shopping and doing that. And maybe that's, you know,
that's where you're happy. And that's all great.
I just feel like I needed something more, something for
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myself rather than, you know, look, if that's your life,
that's awesome. Like I just I just.
Want everyone to be fulfilled, So if that's fulfilling for you,
mazel tov. Exactly.
And maybe make it like learning how to make fresh.
If you make dinner for your family every night, learn to
make fresh pasta. Or you know, like, right.
You know, make your salad dressing from scratch.
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Do something, take it to anotherlevel.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And look what? And then you'll be proud of
yourself, and then you'll try something else and then try
something else. And whatever it is, I think that
we're all, we all get stuck intodoing something for everybody
else and we forget that we coulddo something for ourselves too.
And you have to figure out what that thing is.
Yeah, it's conditioning. We get to recondition.
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Exactly, exactly. You fail.
Whatever, just pick something else.
Wasn't sourdough Make a bagel? Right bagels are fun to make, by
the way. Easy if you do like the cottage
cheese bagel that's just try it.It's easy, just.
Yeah, my kids had to make bagelsfor something in elementary
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school, and it was, I swear, it was like flour and water.
I mean, it couldn't. And then we had, you know, some
sesame seeds or some, you know, like dehydrated garlic or
something. It was pretty simple.
Yeah. Just put it in boiling water.
It was so fun. Oh, you did it in boiling water?
Oh, you really? You really made them.
Yeah, or and I think you did theboiling water a little bit then
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bake it. Maybe there was like A2 fold
process? But really very easy.
Bagel maker. Right.
I even made churros once. Oh.
Yeah, I went to a whole other level.
See that? That is so freaking messy and
painful when the oil is like splattering on your arms.
Yeah, so that was a one. I'm done, but I did it.
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I did it not. I could never make a churro.
I am now choosing not to ever dothat again.
For sure. Oh.
Jen, OK, thank you for everything that you've said.
Please tell everybody where where they can find and follow.
You on Instagram Jen dot sattler?
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Same on TikTok. I don't do the Facebook anymore.
I've weaned from the Facebook. Awesome, it'll be in the show
notes. This was really so enjoyable.
I'm so glad to have met you and shared this time together.
Thank you and in conclusion, I want to invite you to raise a
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glass and let us say cheers to There were so many good things,
but let's say cheers to abolishing.
I could never and. Abolishing.
I like that. Abolishing I could never and
just starting. That's cheers.
Cheers. Cheers.
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My, my daughter's a big fan of Despicable Me.
And there's the clink. There's a wolf.
I don't know. I don't know if your sons were
like animated movie fans. They were, but that they're 21
and 24, so I can't, you know, all of that's out of the brain
at this point. Yeah, no, my daughter's 18 and
still loves them so. So if you're not familiar with
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Despicable Me, with Steve Carell.
I think yes, yes, yes. Put that on the list.
But there's a, there's a like a little teacup like clink.
So I always think when I'm like clinking the zoom screen.
Yes, I will. I mean, when my son comes, my
younger son comes home, we'll see.
Maybe we'll have a Despicable Me.
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Yes. It's so pure.
Yeah. Thank you so much.
And. Thank you SO.
So so grateful for this time. How fun is Jen Sattler?
Now you have to make it a point to check out her Instagram or
TikTok because her videos are addictive, engaging, and really
helpful at navigating the confusing world of women's
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fashion. Now let me get into her many
notes from the sidelines. And just a reminder, these notes
from the sidelines are the takeaways from the conversation.
So we had a long conversation. These are essentially the Cliffs
Notes. Number one, A lot of people
don't like to talk about personal things or big issues,
and social media offers the opportunity to participate in
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conversations or at least observe and listen to others.
So even for people that don't like to speak up about their
problems, they still crave connection, and social media
offers that. Number two, it's important to
connect and talk and not hide orthink things are taboo.
Conversation is how we learn #3 empty nest hood or kids aging
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naturally changes our lives because we're no longer working
around their schedules #4 you can go on YouTube and learn just
about anything. So it's important for all of us
to find that something or many things that we want to explore
#5 stop overthinking and just dosomething.
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Just start. So what if you fail number six?
There are so many things at our fingertips, so if we're not
doing something, trying something, engaging in
something, it's our fault #7. It's important to have
confidence in yourself and really not care what anyone else
thinks #8. We live in a culture of
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following masses, especially when it comes to buying our
clothes. So just stop that.
Do your own thing #9 It's hard not to get influenced when we
see messages over and over again.
So if you are making purchases or following trends because you
see them everywhere, it's normal.
No judgement. Don't shame yourself #10 We live
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in a world where people have no filter and many of them are
hiding behind their screen. So people will comment online
without facts just to hear themselves talk and think that
they're right. We need to be discerning #11
With maturity and age comes the confidence to speak up and the
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awareness of wrongdoing. We know better, so we do better
#12IN midlife, it's important tosurround yourself with good
friends, people you can have real discussions with, And also
it's equally important to be comfortable in your own skin and
be happy doing what you're doing, regardless of what others
think #13 For nervous system regulation, Jen recommends going
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for a walk, sitting outside, reading, engaging in craft
projects, or just getting on Instagram stories and purging
the thoughts in your mind #14 ifyou're saying the words, I could
never stop. Don't do that.
If you want to do something, just declare it and start.
And if you don't want to do something, that's fine.
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But it's not. And I could never.
And finally #15 just get out there and start doing something.
You will be proud of yourself and want to try something else.
And it's an amazing thing to do something for yourself.
So thank you, Jen Sattler, for sharing yourself so honestly and
relatably. These were messages we needed to
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hear. And Speaking of doing something
for yourself, I want to remind you to head to
gentlecoaching.com/veganism and do that for yourself.
Commit to your health, your vitality, and take a position on
doing less harm to the world around you.
I know you care. You care about your own pets,
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other animals that you see out and about, like when you drive
past a farm and you care about the environment.
I know you recycle. You're not rolling down the
window and throwing trash out ofthe car.
But why not go a step further? Why not try going plant based?
And believe me, I know it's a huge undertaking, which is why I
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am a coach. I am that person who will
simplify it for you. Share recipes, give you shopping
lists and checklists, and cheerlead for you every step of
the way. So I hope to see you in the
program. Gentle coaching.com/veganism.
Grab a friend, do it together and keep tuning in.
Keep listening to these incredible conversations.
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Tell your friends about SidelineSisters and I will see you right
back here next week for my beautiful conversation with the
gorgeous and talented Kate Taylor.
Have an amazing week, cheers to you.
Hey ladies, my name is Jenny Chaffetz and I am the host of
Sideline Sisters. Are you a busy mom, powerhouse
professional or high achieving go getter?
This show is for no BS women whowant to be inspired to get off
the sidelines of their lives. Ever feel like you're playing
small or safe or just on autopilot?
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My guests are relatable women who've gone on a journey,
overcome challenges, and live toshare the lessons that we want
to hear. These conversations will be
funny, sad, scary, wise, encouraging, and most of all,
real. So whether you're driving.
Doing. Chores, exercising, walking the
dog, or just laying on the couch.
(00:45):
Settle in and enjoy. I want to invite you to take
back your power, reignite your passions and step off the
sidelines. Let's go.
Hey everybody, welcome to this week's episode of the Sideline
Sisters Podcast. I'm Jenny.
I am your host and I'm a coach. I am super passionate about
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veganism and I want to demystifyit and make it so accessible for
everyone, for all the women listening.
So whether you are grappling with health concerns or not, you
probably know people who are Youhave aging parents or loved
ones, you have friends, or maybeyou have something yourself.
(01:28):
I'm talking anything from chronic disease to acne,
thinning hair, aches and pains, gut issues, and pretty much
anything else you can pick out of a medical journal or woman's
magazine. I want to share this lifestyle
with you and empower you to takecontrol of your health in an
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easy, accessible, affordable, nutritious and delicious way
that also does no harm to the animal population.
So I would love to invite you into my new program, a four week
vegan lifestyle program. And we will talk about food,
exercise, sleep, stress, toxins and habits so that you can look
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and feel better than you do today.
And even if you are full of energy sitting in a body that
you are pretty content with, I bet you want to stay that way.
So maybe there are some little tweaks, little shifts that you
can make to ensure that you continue to feel vibrant,
positive, and let's not forget nourished.
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And I will tell you, as someone who endured a multi decade
battle with food, exercise and body image, finally now at 50, I
am so calm and safe in my body to a degree that I never
imagined possible. I was raised to diet, raised to
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exercise for weight loss or maintenance reasons, and I was
also raised to eat a lot of freaking animal products, just
as most of you. And so this isn't about blame or
shame. It's about undoing conditioning
and designing a new program for ourselves.
You know when you get that alertthat your phone is due for an
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update? You do it well, my friends.
Our bodies and the planet is duefor an update.
It simply cannot continue in this manner of animal
exploitation the way it's currently going.
It's just not working. It's not going to work long term
for this planet. And I'll also add that this is
not a diet. This is not about me on some
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environmental soapbox. This is about embodying, really,
truly embodying feelings of compassion, empathy, love,
acceptance, kindness, and respect.
For. All the beings everywhere.
But if you are looking for a newdiet then I'm I'm happy to share
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this with you as well. But I want you to know that it's
more than just the food on your plate.
It is such a caring, heartfelt approach to existence and as a
coach, it is my job to make it attainable for you to break it
down into simple steps so that you don't feel overwhelmed with
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something that's supposed to feel so good.
So I hope you will head to gentlecoaching.com/veganism.
The link is in the notes. And check out this four week
program that I'm launching to focus on all those areas of life
that I mentioned, bringing in the love and compassion so that
you look and feel amazing and there's absolutely no reason why
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you can't have it all. But if you're someone who is
used to celebrating, entertaining and kind of
revolving around animal products, you know you love to
go to steakhouses, BBQ joints, seafood restaurants, you love a
good clam bake. I get it, I do, I really do.
I grew up with all of this and now I do it differently.
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And as a result, I feel differently toward myself and
everything else. And to be clear, eating plant
based is the only diet approach that has been scientifically
proven to reduce chronic disease.
All of it. So I don't know about you, but
my goal is to avoid, as much as I possibly can control it,
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cancer, heart disease, diabetes,stroke, dementia, and just all
the other things that we associate with getting older.
It doesn't have to be that way. So take a baby step, join me in
this program and I assure you I will make this as easy,
enjoyable and satisfying as I possibly can.
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Now for today's episode, I bringyou the first of several
episodes devoted to style, fashion, image and how we women
connect with clothing and appearance.
She is a badass, relatable womanwho is doing her thing.
Jen Sattler is what I would calla fashion influencer and
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self-proclaimed midlife unfiltered Mama navigating the M
word. Menopause.
And empty nest life using fashion, beauty, health and
humor. She is down to earth, raw, real
and super stylish. So let's get into the
conversation with Jen Sadler. Welcome to another episode of
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Sideline Sisters. I am so excited.
Jen. Welcome.
Thank you for having me. All right, so as I mentioned to
you before recording, I first heard about you on Sarah
Millican's podcast. And like her, my goal on this
show is to showcase cool, brave women.
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And I would put you in that category because you, let's face
it, you show up very authentically and just present.
You present your physical self, you present ideas, you present
thoughts. And it's pretty unfiltered and
awesome. So I applaud you and I'm excited
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to share you with this audience.Thank.
You. I appreciate that.
All right, so let's just let's start this.
How do you define your presence online?
How do I define my presence online?
OK, unfiltered I, I, I just, I come as I am.
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I don't obviously get all done. I'm actually back from Pilates
and we had no water in the house.
So I have have Pilates on top and I threw jeans on on the
bottom so. I love it.
You know, you just go with it when you can.
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And that's a good question. You know, I think that for in
the morning with the coffee talks, I just kind of say what's
going through my head. I always said that like the all
the stories came about because all of this stuff going on in my
head and I just need to get it out.
So I guess that's how all the stories started to come about.
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And I don't really not going to say I don't care, but it's not
about what everybody thinks. I think that whatever your space
is here, you kind of find your people and your community.
And I think that we definitely created that on Instagram.
We definitely have we, I don't like to say ours, but all the
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people I think have a really nice community.
Not everybody always agrees, butwe kind of just all chat and
talk about what's on our minds and no, no, I feel like that's
what my presence is on social media.
Now, I mean, I think people would primarily not label you,
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but see you as is it, is it fairto say a fashion influencer, is
that OK? I definitely started that way.
I had a blog years ago and then I felt like I was so pressured
to have like 3 blog posts every week and to do it like this and
to do it like you have to grow, you have to, I do it like this.
I don't like those parameters toput.
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And whenever that happens, I never go.
I always go against it. So then when Instagram started
with that, you could start adding links to stories, it
became a much easier way for me to say instead of seeing like a
pair of shoes and having to put it in a blog, blog post with
like a whole outfit and come up with like a whole look.
I'm able to just say, Oh my God,I love these shoes.
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And it was much, much easier forme to like get it out just
through stories and then with all all with fashion.
And then it turned into like a whole nother thing with the
coffee talk in the morning, which I'm not really sure how
that started, but it definitely did start with fashion.
And now it's turned into, you know, a little bit of a
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something else. So let's let's step back a
second. So where did that even kind of
come from? I mean, I know you had mentioned
in that other podcast that you had been a stay at home mom and
you know, dabbled, maybe wanted it.
Don't we all want the ideal job of a nine to two and be
available for our kids and not have to bring work home?
But since that typically doesn'texist, when and what?
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So your kids were a little olderat this point.
What was the plan? Like?
Was there this vision of being, you know, like a fashion
journalist? Or was it like, I just need
something to do and I'm going tojust talk about my life?
What was that all about? I think like back in the day
when you, when, you know, we first started to see people like
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Ariel Charnes something Navy andthe way they blew up, and I
think those circumstances are different.
She was like right place, right time.
And not that you're chasing thator wanting that, but you, you
know, you see that. And I think that's how it really
started when you started to see people like that on social
media. And then you, you also have to
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like check yourself and think like, I don't know, she was a
certain demographic and she blewup for whatever the reason, all
of her or whoever it was blew upfor whatever reason.
And I always felt like I was like the little engine that
could. So it's just going to keep doing
what I was doing and I kind of appreciate whatever comes in
from that. And then I think that like, you
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know, you see, this is years ago, all these people getting
these big brand deals and invited to these big thing.
It was much different than the whole platform was much, much
different than and you're like, you know, you have to be so big
to get to this or whatever. And now now it's much, much
different with being able to useshop my or like to know it.
And it's a definitely a different space these days.
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But then I think with my youngerson, when I was driving him to
high school and on my way home from driving him to school, I
would have all these thoughts inmy head and I would get home and
I would pour my second cup of coffee and I would sit down and
I would just get on stories and be like, and then it evolved
into that. And I don't know, it's I don't
know. It's a weird balance of things,
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but I don't know. I think it seems to be working.
It's working, Yeah, I would say.I mean, for my for my lens, it
is. I mean, you're a complete in the
real world, complete stranger tome.
But as you use the word community, which is perfect
because I feel like I'm a part of your world, even though we've
never met in real life and we don't live near each other.
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But we share this like special bubble online.
So I'm curious what real life islike versus online life, Like
you created this community. Was there something missing in
real life or was it just an opportunity to add something?
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I think. It just happened totally
organically. It wasn't nothing was a plan,
nothing. You know, I wasn't even, I
wasn't thinking ahead. I wasn't thinking, oh, let's
pivot, let's do it this way. None of that it just, I don't
know, I think it just evolved into something and a lot of what
we talk about in the morning comes from DMS, from other
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people and from our group chat in the DMS, because sometimes
depending on what we talk about,it's a very, people are very
vocal about certain things and we talk about that.
It could be something serious ora frozen shoulder, what
everybody's doing for frozen shoulder.
It could be other things that are more serious, but a lot of
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what we talk about now is definitely comes from like all
of you guys and the group chat, as I'm starting to call it.
So look, we're all not, we're all, but so many of us are all
like the same age and we're experiencing the same things.
And you know, a lot of people don't like to talk about things
and we kind of just talk about it and it's almost like it's
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almost like a podcast, but just like all and like little
snippets of things. I don't know, literally, I think
it was just really happening organically.
It's so interesting, don't you think, that, like you said,
there's so many women out there in this demographic who have
shit to talk about and yet it doesn't seem like they're
talking about it, but they want to talk about it.
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And so thank God we have this online space.
It's. Well, I think they don't want to
talk about it. At least they can hear, they can
listen to other people talking about it and they can find some
sort of, you know, connection toother people.
And, you know, oh, really? I'm not the only one who's
dealing with that. Or really, you know, your
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husband annoys you like, whatever it is.
You know what I mean? It's, it's because some people
just, you know, don't want to say something out loud and they
need to feel a connection with other people, people.
And I think it's important that we all talk about things and
not, you know, hide or think that things are taboo or when
our mothers were young, they whispered things.
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I mean, I think that we all needto like talk about it and well,
what are you doing for this? Oh, really?
I never heard of that. Like that's how you learn.
So I think that that's what's important.
We're all really learning so much from each other so.
Yeah, I mean, that's how I went down the rabbit hole podcast.
I was like, wait a second, It's like I can curate my own radio
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show. Like I'm I'm choosing episodes
to listen to based on the stuff in my life that matters, that I
can't just go to Target or the lady next door and ask like,
well, what do you think about hormones or what are you doing
with this bloated stomach? Or, you know, it's it's like
it's all there for us in this virtual space.
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It's. Crazy finds that so many people
like all the people who you follow is has changed so much
over the years and what your what your content looks like and
who you're following is so different now than you know.
It's so crazy. It's crazy.
And I love them. And.
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We could just keep changing it. Like when I was moving a few
years ago, I think I followed like 75 different personal
organizers and now I'm like, Oh my God, get out of my feed
because I don't need to see any more perfect linen closets.
I'm done. Totally.
Oh God, it is funny. OK, so many questions about your
your platform. Do you find or how do you find
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your connections with your groupchat, online community DMS
versus real life friends? What do you notice to be
different? Pros.
Cons. Well, I think that the DMS is a
lot of Instagram community and so many of the people I know
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well now, like they tell me, youknow, they were just in a car
accident, they just lost their dog, you know, so like you
really form a connection with a lot of people.
So that's really a lot of the DMS are things like that.
Some, some people I, we speak every single day.
We literally DM each other. Like I have a, a small group of
people. We DM each other almost every
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single day. And so that's what the CMS are.
You know, real life is different.
I have group chats going, you know, real life and same thing.
We send each other things back and forth, but it's it's weird.
Like you have a connection with the Instagram community and a
close connection with a lot of people.
They're having grandkids, their kids are getting married.
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What do you think about this dress or what kind of shoes do
you think I should wear to this?Or I don't know why I'm telling
you this, but I just got into a car accident and I feel like
it's just, there's a deep connection in the DMS and it's a
community. I mean, we're all like like
minded women and all, you know, have kids similar ages or
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similar circumstances. And it's, it's an ongoing chat.
It never shuts off. And sometimes I just double like
it. Like I'll just like it if I
don't have time and I can't engage.
But for the most part I do try to engage with a lot of the
comments. That's so good.
So I heard you say on the other podcast that as we get older, we
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need to find our voice and and feel confident expressing
ourselves. What was that process like for
you? Because I think this idea of
finding your voice and feeling confident is not exactly normal
or settling for a lot of people.So were you always confident?
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Did you find that there was thislike breaking point of I have
stuff to say and I'm just going to do it?
My husband will always say, whenI met you, you never said a
word. That's what my husband always
says. Like him and his friends always
joke when they're together. She never used to talk.
I don't know. I think things change when, you
know, you have kids and your kids get a little bit older and
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maybe not even like empty nesting, but but it's, it's a
different rhythm when your kids are out of the house.
Like it's not just the get up and go and sit on the bleachers
and, you know, go to, you know, the recital and do those things.
It's, it's, it's a totally different pace.
Your friendships totally change because you're not on the
sidelines with people. You are time changes people.
You know, it's not like, OK, we're dropping off at 8:00.
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I'll meet you at, you know, the gym and we'll go do this or
we'll go take a walk or, you know, things really change.
So I don't know. You just have you have to, you
know, I think so many people arealways stuck in a circle with
like things for their kids. And this is what your life just
revolves around. And people who are stay at home
moms, it's all about the kids. It's all.
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About what am I going to make for dinner?
It's all about the husbands. It's all about the this.
It's all about. And then all of a sudden it's
like, well, what am I going to do now?
And I need to cater to myself atsome point and not just be for
everybody. And I think a lot of people also
live in a world where, you know,still live in a world where kind
of like what the husband says goes and, you know, live a life
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like that. And it's hard for people to find
a space and find something to dofor themselves.
And I don't know whether it's, as I said on the other one, like
knitting, gardening, whatever, like you need to do something
for yourself. How many days can you just go?
And I mean, it's nice to go havelunch with your girls, but like
to do something that's like meaningful to you is, I mean,
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it's meaningful to have a connection and have friends and
go and have gifts saying that. But to have something that you
can say, look, look what I have done, look what I have planted,
look what I have made instead ofjust sitting and doing just for
everybody else. I don't know, I think people
need to put their minds to it. I think people are scared to do
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something for themselves and they think that they're going to
fail or how do I do it? I'm like, just go on YouTube,
You can learn how to do anything.
I, I don't know, I think that that's important.
I don't know how it all happens or started or evolved, but like
I see something I'm like, go to the craft store and I'm going to
try it. It doesn't work out.
It doesn't work out. But like, at least I'm doing
like do something, you know, So I don't know, I think it's
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important for, you know, us all to find that something or
maintenance, whatever. Yeah, I totally agree to the
fight. In yoga, go whatever it is like,
but it's important for us that to have something, yeah, that's
not just revolving around everybody else.
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Were there aspects of your life,relationships, time, usage that
were affected once you decided I'm going to pursue stuff about
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me now I. Think so because you have all
this timeline on your hands likeyou're like, OK, now what?
I don't have to do pick up that,you know, I don't have to be at
the in the car line. I don't have to think about Oh
no, does this person need a suitfor this?
Or like you have time? I'm I'm just using time that was
there but using it differently. That's a good one That's people
(23:47):
should hear that one. We the same time just using it
differently. But you said how your husband
married someone who never spoke up and now he and his friends
are like whoa, why she's she's all of a sudden has opinions and
she's can't shut up. So how are people?
How have people in your life responded to this version of
you? This evolved.
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I don't know, I think my friendsprobably don't see any
different. And my father says all the time,
he's like, but what is he called?
He's like, are you broadcasting today?
Love it. So I think it's really cute that
my parents, like my mother, willDM me something that she saw on
Instagram in the morning. I think that that's like the
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cutest thing. They're in their 80s.
So I don't know. I don't think that I don't know.
I think that everybody, you know, all the people around you
kind of grow with you. You know, they might see the
difference, but I think that they're all with you on or
you're all with, you're with them on their journeys and we
all just, you know, acclimate. So aside from like a ping of,
(24:51):
oh, I want to learn how to do Indian cooking, what could it
look like for a woman who has been doing the the routine,
whether she works or not? But doing the carpool, doing the
basketball practice, prepping dinner, the stuff are, like you
said, picking up dry cleaning and things like that.
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And kids are getting older or they've left, and now there's
this new found time. What would be your advice to
women on how to find something for themselves?
I think that you can't over. I think we all overthink things
too much. And then once we overthink it,
then we like stay frozen in time.
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I think that whatever it is, youjust have to do it and you just
have to start. And it might not work out and
you might fail at whatever it isthat you're starting, but you're
never going to know until you doit.
And you just have to just do it.Even with my kids, I'm like, OK,
so do it. Just try it.
Let's see how it works out. But you're never going to know
(25:56):
until you do it. You know, right now, if you are
still cooking for the family andyou love to cook, film a video
of yourself cooking. And maybe like it does not
everything has to be social media for sure.
But you could start a sub stack about like your favorite
recipes. And you know, there are all
these different things that you can, you know, if you love
writing, start a snub stack. It's really, really easy.
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It's it's fun. If you're interested in doing
whatever, check your local library, see if they're they
have classes and you can learn or whatever.
I mean, there's so many things at our fingertips that if we
want to do something and we're not doing it, it's our own fault
that we're not doing it because the opportunities are
everywhere. Yeah, you just have to start.
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Yep, exactly. Just start.
I know it's, it is scary though.I mean, that fear of failure is
real. It's it's been like drilled into
our heads of, you know, if you can't do it, well, don't do it
at all. And what are people going to
say? And now look what you've done.
So it can be intimidating to say, like, I think I'm going to
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go try like an adult figure skating class like.
What? What are you?
Thinking you might break something I was going to.
Say you might break a hip on that one.
Maybe that was a bad idea, but like I might.
Not try. Like, like am I going to really
be a sourdough bread maker? Like how do I even?
Maybe. Yeah, maybe.
Why do people are now? It's actually on my list.
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I know. It's just, it's scary.
You know what, I have people DM me and they're like, I want to
start sharing links. How did you start, blah blah
blah. And I try and help a few people
walk them through how to do their shop my's and and they're
like, well, how do you speak? How do you do this?
I'm like, you will find your voice and everybody can do it in
their own way, but you have to start first and then you will
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find your own way of doing things.
Whatever it is that you want to do, you don't have to do it the
way Sally does it. You can look to Sally for
guidance and see the way Sally'sdoing something, but then finds
your own way to do the same thing.
And it might be adult figure skating or whatever it is.
But that's why also all of thesesocial media platforms are so
great because you can go and TikTok and learn everything
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about sourdough bread making andthen, you know, home and try and
do it yourself. And what am I doing wrong?
And now you have all of these, you know, tutors everywhere to
learn something. It is troubling to me when I see
other people struggling to find their voice, like you said.
I mean, I see it. I have a heightened awareness.
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I feel like I've got, you know, dog hearing for people who are
copycatting or you know, and it's that it's like I, I want
to, I want them to go like do some breath work and.
Right and find your space right?Don't do it like that person.
Find your yes I agree with you 100% because it's it's forced
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and people see that it's forced.Right.
Right. And it's like there's something
in you that's so valuable. Why do you think you need to do
it like she does? Like it's fine, you're good
enough. Yeah, definitely.
And you're going to find people who enjoy watching how you do
it. Exactly right.
So with your social media platform and you know, you go on
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every day and it's like, here's my outfit and you look so cute
and you've got a certain style of the way you do it, which is I
love because it's just predictably you at this point.
You know, the way you go on likethis is this, this is this,
these are my sunglasses, my my, you know, vintage Chanel bag or
maybe it's Walmart or maybe it'sAmazon and going to the drug
store. I love it.
(29:41):
Like, I now imitate you with other people because I'm like,
I'm going to just do Jen Zeidlertoday.
And like, these are my Marshall's jeans.
And I'm like. Well, but you know what?
If someone runs into you, you can do it a different way.
And say it's. Me blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
and I'm going to, you know, RiteAid and then you actually go to
Rite Aid and you're in sweatpants and like a RIP
(30:03):
sweatshirt. Then people are going to be
like, that was not you. So that's why I always say like
I I don't have makeup. Like if you run into me walking
through town, this is me. That's why with the filters and
all those things, it's like, I don't know, you have and it's
fine if that's what you like. But when when you're going to
see people and they're going to say, like, I just saw you on
(30:26):
Instagram and now you're like, like, I don't like that.
You have to be. You have to be yourself.
Yeah, no, that person's a liar. I don't like that.
But what is, is there a future vision or I mean, even when you
started the social media, was there a thought of I'm going to
(30:48):
grow a business here? Is that a thought Now?
What is what's kind of the purpose of every day showing up
saying here's my outfit and hereare some links?
I don't know therapy. I don't know that's a good
question, but a little probably a little bit of therapy, but you
know, with companies now like shop my, which is it's an
(31:09):
affiliate link company. I'm not saying that right, but
there are I. Think I think most people have
an understanding of both of the like the shop my and like to
know I think people. Shop My is doing a lot of really
great things, even for. It used to be like you couldn't
get approved for these things unless you had a large
following, and that's not the case anymore with Shop My.
And that's why, like I always say, if someone wants help with
(31:31):
shock my I'm happy to help them share the links.
And you know, because you can earn even if you're doing
something else, even if you're ateacher, you can earn like a
passive income with it. And it makes a difference,
especially in the life that we live now.
So what is the future? You know, I think the future, it
will probably evolve in some way.
I mean, I hope the future evolves into like more brand
(31:56):
deals, which little by little things like that definitely
happen. But I think that I will keep
doing it probably the same way until it organically evolves on
its own based on maybe like if my lifestyle changes a little,
but I still every day, like evenbefore the Internet, when there
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was a when I had stacks of magazines, I loved Marie Claire.
If you would go through whatever, you would always go
and see, oh, who makes those jeans?
Where can I, you know, where canyou?
And so now with, you know, theseemails, every single day I look
at my emails, I'm like, I love these.
I'm going to share them because somebody else might love them.
So I don't know, will that change?
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Will I stop seeing things that Iwant to share with people?
I'm not sure. But I think that when it does,
it's just going to naturally evolve into something else.
I don't have a plan. I don't have a plan about what I
speak about in the morning. I don't ever have a script.
I never write anything down. I never.
I just go with it. And however it turns out or
whatever it's going to evolve into, I think that that's the
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way it's supposed to be. I don't know.
That's so good, I love it. Very simple, but it's just, you
know, I can't overthink things. And when you do overthink things
and you do like there are certain days I won't be on here
because I'm just not feeling it.And when you're not feeling it,
you do come on. Then people see it, they read
it, it's you can tell. So I just let it go the way it
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ever it is. However it's flowing, it's not
very deep, it's not very well thought out.
It's not probably that's why I still don't have that many
followers in the scheme of things.
But it's just as I said, the little engine that could I get
another follower. I thank the universe for another
follower, which I hate the word followers, but you know, you
just have to thank the universe for someone bought an H&M pair
(33:47):
of pants that you know, I shared.
I thank you for that Commission that I got from that, and that's
the way I take it. So what is your relationship to
shopping like? Are you?
Yeah, I'm. Very sensible.
See now I wouldn't have thought that if you didn't say that cuz
I'm looking at the like different outfits everyday very
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stylish I'm like. But it's not always new.
Right. Not always new.
I wear out like this is a cashmere sweater.
It has some holes in it. It's from a thrift store, you
know, so it's not, it's not always new.
When it's new, I'll tell you all, it's new, but it's not.
I wear a lot of the same things over and over again, and I'm a
(34:33):
sensible shopper. I like things on sale.
I love the real, real, I love all of I love Fashion File, the
real, real Poshmark. I like to find interesting
pieces. I don't want to be wearing
exactly the same thing that everybody else is wearing.
I remember, but maybe you'll remember this because we're
around the same age when I was in high school and everyone was
(34:54):
shopping at either The Gap, The Limited, or Benetton, there was
this argy, I think it was an Argyle sweater from the Gap.
And I went to a really preppy high school and every.
Day it would be like. There's four people wearing it.
There's six people wearing it. I'm like, get me something
different, Where can I go? And I go into my mother's closet
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because she didn't have those clothes.
Yeah, I, I was so fed up with seeing the same.
When I did get the Benetton Rugby, most people had it in
blue. I got it in green.
I don't think I was that evolvedyoung, because when you're young
you want what everybody. Has.
But also my mom, I'm one of three girls.
(35:38):
My mother worked at Macy's so wehad a discount for clothes.
And when my friends were getting5 Benetton sweaters for Hanukkah
Christmas, my mother was waitinguntil we Benetton had that like
half yearly sale and that's whenwe went to Benetton for our
Argyle sweaters. So.
There was a Benetton outlet up in New Hampshire where we used
(35:59):
to go skiing, so that was the key.
Yeah, so I always say it's so funny.
Before when we had dance class when I was in 7th grade and it
was like in a strip center and there was like what we called
the stationary store back then. And we would always go into the
stationary store where we get like Tiger Beat pack of gum and
then go to dance class. I would always get the pack of
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gum that had the seven pieces instead of the five piece.
I'm a, I'm a sensible. I'm a sensible shopping.
I don't know, not always sensible.
I mean, definitely you go off the board.
But I am definitely a sensible shopper and I'm not a over
shopper. I don't think.
I don't think maybe I am a little.
Maybe someone else needs to comein and assess that for you.
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Maybe you're too close. Dave, that might be true.
So. How does?
Someone figure out their style. I mean, I see you in your videos
and it's like everything makes sense on you.
Like you know, you know you, youknow your body, you know your
(37:02):
style. It's obvious to me.
How does someone else figure that out?
That's a good question. You know, I, I don't know, like
I feel like the young girls are all chasing the same style and
they all have to have what somebody else has because
somebody else has it. I think that those same people
(37:23):
are looking at things also and not confident enough yet in
themselves to be like, I know everybody has this, but I really
like this and it's hard for themto go for the one thing that
they really like because they see everybody else and something
else. And I think that once you get
over that and then someone's like, hey, where did you get
(37:43):
that? I think then you figure out I
don't need to have all of those things, but it's hard.
I mean, a lot of people are always chasing what somebody
else has. I mean, we all do it.
We all see somebody wear something and we think it's like
the cutest thing and we all haveto have it.
But you know, you know, it's notgoing to look good on you or you
know, you're not going to wear it.
I don't know. I think that I think it's
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important, important to have confidence in yourself and not
care what everybody else thinks.And I think you have to get to
that point that you don't need to have what everybody else has.
And it's not even about, it's just like if you, if you still
want to wear a Benetton sweater from 1986, then you should wear
that Benetton sweater from 1986.And it doesn't matter if you
(38:25):
know, everyone's wearing cake now you know what I mean it you
should just wear it what you like and how you like to wear it
and have the confidence in that.And I don't know, it's very,
it's AI think that it's, it's confidence for a lot of people
because they don't believe in themselves yet.
Do you think there's any connection between social media,
(38:49):
the Amazon culture, and the lackof confidence in developing
style? You know the fact that you open
up the Amazon app to buy Duct? Tape.
Toilet paper. Yeah.
And you all of a sudden you see like the trending outfits or
like suggestions for you and you're like, Oh well, if
everyone is wearing that dress, I guess I should have that dress
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versus I should think for myselfwhat I like, what would look
good on me. Well, I think that also when you
start to go through your closet and get rid of stuff and you
notice what you're getting rid of, if it's all of the Amazon
stuff that that's all the stuff that you're donating, then you
probably don't need all the Amazon stuff, you know?
But I definitely think, I mean, we live in such a culture where
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we just want to follow the masses in things that we
believe, obviously with what's happening in the world and what
people are wearing. And, you know, look, I'm guilty
of it too. I mean, I have a TikTok
presence. I, you know, get things from the
TikTok shop and promote things from the TikTok shop, but I'm
also wearing it a lot of the times.
So but I, I fall into the same category.
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It's hard not to get influenced with all of these things when
we're seeing it over and over again.
Yeah. So my answer is yes.
I think that I think my answer is yes on that.
We're we're living a. A crazy time where everything
we're just following the masses.OK, so that leads me to you've
got this really interesting likeparallel Rd. on your social
(40:24):
media where you've got the the videos of what I'm wearing and
I'm going out tonight. This is this is my outfit.
But then you've got your storiesthat are your coffee chats and
and things like that, which are not necessarily about fashion.
So what now I know you started off the conversation saying, you
(40:46):
know, you had these thoughts in your head and this is a place to
just kind of purge them. What is that experience like for
you? Well, it's definitely can go
different ways. I mean, you know, sometimes you
have to be careful because you you want to say what you want to
say, but you're also scared to see what the backlash is going
(41:06):
to be because there's going to be backlash for a lot of the
things and people. We also live in a world where
people have no filter and they're hiding behind the screen
and they will type out whatever they want to type out and they
do not care. So I don't know, I think a lot
of times, sometimes I'll lay offcertain things if it's getting
(41:26):
to like things with Israel or things like that.
If it's just you have to read the room sometimes, most of the
time I don't. I just kind of, I don't know.
It's a hard question. A lot of times.
I just have to get it out of my head.
I mean, I really do especially like with the thing with
Barstool with Dave. And then when you know, the
really thing that got it gets me, it's the comments really get
(41:50):
me. When you start to read the
comments and you think like thisis the world we live in with
thousands and thousands of comments all leaning a certain
way. It's like, how do you sit there
and not talk about it? Like it's so a lot of times I I
have to get out of my head. Yeah, I don't.
Know he's he's brave. I I really applaud no.
(42:12):
He definitely, yeah. He did not back down from it.
Yeah, but. And people don't even know who
he is. And someone messaged me, they're
like, I see that he's a bar owner, but he should have
handled it differently. I'm like, I don't think you know
who Dave Portnoy is. Yeah, I have.
I have a friend who's like he's her secret crush and.
Yeah. We talk about him a lot.
(42:34):
You know, and also on on the stories, a lot of people
sometimes don't even know what you're talking about, but they
still comment they because everybody has to be right and
has to chime in and has to, you know, they can't.
They think everybody thinks thatthey know what they're talking
about. And the comment sections are
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Now let's get back to the show. When you come across as a
fashion influencer, but then on your stories you're going on a
tirade or expressing your emoting about anti-Semitism and
someone's reaction is, like I said about the comments, I came
here for fashion. Yeah.
(44:00):
I don't want to hear your political views or I don't want
to hear your life opinions. Just tell me what to wear.
Where do I get the jeans? See ya.
I mean, honestly, I can't, you know, if or if people are like
stick to stick to fashion. I'm like leave, you know, that's
never been what this is, you know, So if you want something,
(44:25):
you know, pretty and all done up, that's not here.
We're we're a little bit messy here and undone.
You know, it's life. If you want, if you want
something more curated that that's not here.
There's nothing curated about mylife, how we live.
He comes to my house like it's just, it's all how it is.
It's not we don't live a perfect, well curated, perfectly
(44:49):
curated life. So if that's what people are
looking for, there's a million other accounts that they can
follow and it's all good. Yeah, that's refreshing.
And that's why I have a virtual background.
Let's just be clear about that. So again, I know you said that
your husband married a quiet person or someone who wasn't
(45:11):
that expressive, but you speak now with such confidence and
self assurance in this. You know, if you don't like it.
Take a hike. These are my thoughts.
Unfollow. I don't care.
Were you a confident child? Were you the type to, you know,
tell, I don't know, a bully at school to fuck off?
(45:33):
Like what? No.
I mean, I don't know, definitelynot definitely more on the shy
side, 100% definitely. I don't know.
I also I think I might be a little bit delusional and I
talked in my high school friendschat.
I don't think that we had that kind of I might be delusional.
(45:54):
I think we grew up like in a nice high school and people
weren't like, it wasn't like it is now you're.
Delusional. I'm not sure.
People didn't have that. I'm sure people did not have
that same experience, I'm sure 100%.
But I just, I don't, I remember people being shitty to each
other, but now I think like, howdo you not stand up?
(46:15):
How do you not say something? And I mean, I think that that
just comes with maturity and with age, you know, like you
just know better. You're going to do better.
So I think a lot of it is just maturity and just, you know,
seeing how your kids were treated and it's just life how
you end up changing and not standing for anything anymore.
(46:38):
So you have to say something. Yeah.
But maybe not everybody does. I'm sure not everybody does, but
definitely not not my younger self.
Definitely. I don't think I would have been
like, I don't think so. I think it's hard for people at
a young age to have that kind ofa voice.
I think it's easy for people to have the, to have the bullying
(47:00):
voice and to have that side of it.
But it's hard for the other people to, you know, everyone
ends up being more of a bystander.
Yeah, because it's too hard to find your voice at that point.
Now, we don't have excuses. We have to.
We have to stand up and say what's right.
There's no excuses now. Yeah.
(47:22):
To the topic of midlife womanhood, what are your highs
and lows? You know, if we were sitting
around the dinner table, give methe high, give me the low.
Highs, I don't know, I mean highs.
I just, I mean, I don't think anything's so bad.
I mean, I think that it's important to surround yourself
(47:44):
with good friends and, you know,have dinners with your
girlfriends and, you know, I'm away and like, we had dinner
Thursday night and everyone's like, what supplements you want?
What, what creatine, what this, what that.
So highs are still having groupsof people close to you who you
can, you know, have these discussions with.
(48:04):
And Lowe's are weight gain from estrogen.
I don't know, That's like sleep.Issues.
Sleep issues, I mean thinning hair, like all of those shitty
things, but I don't know, I don't I don't have I don't see
(48:25):
like I don't see lows. I don't like the I don't like
that low. I think that highs are, you
know, definitely being appreciative highs of midlife.
I don't know, you have to be happy in your own skin and you
have to be comfortable in your own skin.
And I think that that's like that's a high and all those
(48:47):
things happen with good friends and good relationships and, you
know, things like that. But I think that that you really
need to figure out how to be comfortable in your own skin and
not hear what other people say or which obviously it affects
all of us and but you have to beable to brush it aside or not
take every single thing to part,even though that's not always so
(49:09):
easy to do. But understands where certain
things come from, from certain people.
And if you're happy doing what you're happy doing, then it
doesn't matter what other peoplethink about what you're doing.
When I first started to blog, I know so many people were saying
shit about it behind my back. I know it like 100%.
(49:29):
And then, you know, you had to be just like, well, I don't
care. I'm not happy doing this.
This is something I'm going to start.
It's going to, and that's with everything.
I mean, I'm sure when you started the the podcast, people
were like, she's starting a podcast.
Yeah, yeah. You just were like, this is
something I want to do and you know, and I'm just going to do
it. And I think we need to all learn
(49:51):
to like believe in ourselves enough that we're just going to
do it. And it's and it's not so deep if
the podcast workout if the. Right.
Things didn't workout if you know your sub step doesn't
workout. If your garden all dies, you can
go plant all new things. You know, like it's not that
deep, but you should find something that you want to do
(50:11):
and not just, you know, having lunch with the girls, which
again, is not, not a terrible thing.
Obviously I love my girlfriends and but going out for a manicure
every day and then having lunch is not like I I think that you
need to have something deeper for yourselves than just
something like, and I'm not knocking that.
I like to do that. Of course, of course.
(50:33):
But it was. Saying it's, it's nice to have
something meaningful for yourself to do that, you know,
and maybe it is making baking bread or just for your family or
giving it to your whatever it is.
Yeah. But I think that it it's
important for everyone to find something. 100 percent, 100%,
yeah. Like, I'm not going to say no to
(50:55):
a massage or a manicure. No.
But I mean, I just got my roots done this morning and it's like
the highlight of my week. It's it's so wonderful, but it's
not the the bulk of my existence.
There's no meat, meat to it. There's no yeah.
Yeah, it's a task, essentially. It felt good, but it's a task,
(51:16):
So what? Do you do?
Besides dinner with your girlfriends or lunch, what helps
you take care of your soul? What How do you define
self-care? How do you How do you regulate
your nervous system? That's a good question.
(51:38):
That's a good question. I do like to go for a walk.
That's definitely. I like to be outside.
I would not even sitting outsidereading a book.
I'm like, this is like Xanax to me.
It is just if I get very anxiousor nervous, I need like a
project. I'm like, I'll go buy a canvas
and maybe paint something or like I, I have to create like a
(51:59):
busy work or something. I think that's, you know, very
nervous days. I need to, I need to do
something like paint something, plant something, you know, I
need to, I need to move and it'susually not like move like go to
applies class. It's usually like I need to go
for a walk, listen to something,I need to just.
(52:21):
It's almost like a mind and bodyat the same time.
Definitely like some people are like get nervous.
They're like, they have to cleanthe house.
They have to like, you know, they, it's, it's that kind of,
you know, kind of energy that you have to like move and keep
busy until it like until it passes.
(52:41):
Or. Get on to stories and.
And just like. Have someone talk to you down.
Yep, just diary it all a lot. Definitely happens a lot, you
know, because whatever you're anxious about, if you come on
and you're talking about it, somebody else is going to relate
to you and definitely going to give you some sort of advice or,
(53:03):
you know, something and it definitely helps, yeah.
I love that. No, that's really.
That's a that's a really good take away for someone that the
doing something because I think a lot of people, I mean, I talk
a lot about modalities like doing breath work and tapping or
Reiki or meditations, but the idea of actually like painting
(53:27):
or gardening that is so basic, it's so attainable.
It's not, it's. Not anything you know.
No, I mean for anyone who's got kids, you probably have
construction paper and watercolors in your house.
So I know I have about 40. Pallets, pallets, yes.
(53:50):
In a shoe box somewhere. So it's really, and it's very,
and it's really fun. I mean, yeah.
I mean, during COVID I was beating, I was just buying beads
and beading and just keeping busy making, you know, the, the
bead chain, like, you know, justeverybody has something in them.
They just have to like do it. A lot of people are like, and I
(54:10):
always I've been saying like a lot of times some of the
comments are like, I could never, I could never, I could
never. And I I thought about like some
of the comments that people werecommenting, I could never on.
I'm like, really? That's like nothing.
What do you mean? I could never?
Why are we saying I could never?Like I'll say like Barry's boot
(54:32):
camp. I could never.
I was going to say I mean climbing Everest I could never,
but I. Could.
If I committed myself to that, yeah.
Right. Yeah, exactly.
But like certain little things, like I, I think it's such a bad
phrase that we have in our head that is like an I could never, I
don't like that. I'm like, I think that we could
(54:52):
all do what we, we just if we want to do something, just get
up and do it. You just have to start.
And that's like, I think that nobody knows how to start or
where to start or but you have to start at the beginning.
Well, that is, that is the goal then of this episode is to
inspire people to start, start. Whatever it is.
(55:13):
Yeah, I mean, when people like you show up and say just start,
it's another voice in the head to combat the I could never so.
Yeah, yeah. The I could never is not.
I don't like that phrase. And look, we all, we're all
guilty of it. We all say it.
I could never, I mean like I'm never going to say I could never
bake sourdough because I can't. That's where I can choose to do
(55:34):
it right. But it's like, you know, so it's
the I could never is is. I think we have to get stuff
like that out of our heads. I like that because I I just
attended a retreat and she talked about language, the power
of language and changing ones that we've heard of before.
Like, don't shit on yourself. Can't.
I get to. I don't have to.
(55:56):
I get. Yeah, yeah, instead of I can't,
she said. Rephrase it to I won't.
Like if you're going to say I can't get up at 5:00 AM to go to
the gym, No, it's not. You can't.
It's. You won't.
Like, own it. Yeah, just own it.
Because there's no reason that you can't.
You're just choosing not to. And when you, you know, rephrase
it like that, it's like, oh, OK,well, if I'm telling myself I
(56:19):
won't get up to go to the gym at5:00 AM, that's fine.
That's fine. It's also my fault then, and I'm
not going to complain about it because it's not like.
Right. I wasn't handcuffed to the
bedpost. It was my choice.
Exactly. And so, yeah, I love that.
I could never really. Yeah.
Let's sit with that. And now we're going to hear
(56:39):
ourselves say it, and then we'regoing to correct, and then we'll
correct ourselves every time we hear ourselves say it.
Yeah, because when I keep. In Julie always says I get to, I
get to, I don't have to walk thedogs.
I get to, I get to and it's you have to retrain your brain.
And I think like when we get to be this age that like the house
is quiet, your kids aren't here,they're busy doing whatever.
(57:00):
And, you know, so like, look, a lot of people get to and they're
happy not having something to dofor themselves.
Maybe, you know, their life is about going for lunch and going
shopping and doing that. And maybe that's, you know,
that's where you're happy. And that's all great.
I just feel like I needed something more, something for
(57:22):
myself rather than, you know, look, if that's your life,
that's awesome. Like I just I just.
Want everyone to be fulfilled, So if that's fulfilling for you,
mazel tov. Exactly.
And maybe make it like learning how to make fresh.
If you make dinner for your family every night, learn to
make fresh pasta. Or you know, like, right.
You know, make your salad dressing from scratch.
(57:44):
Do something, take it to anotherlevel.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And look what? And then you'll be proud of
yourself, and then you'll try something else and then try
something else. And whatever it is, I think that
we're all, we all get stuck intodoing something for everybody
else and we forget that we coulddo something for ourselves too.
And you have to figure out what that thing is.
Yeah, it's conditioning. We get to recondition.
(58:08):
Exactly, exactly. You fail.
Whatever, just pick something else.
Wasn't sourdough Make a bagel? Right bagels are fun to make, by
the way. Easy if you do like the cottage
cheese bagel that's just try it.It's easy, just.
Yeah, my kids had to make bagelsfor something in elementary
(58:28):
school, and it was, I swear, it was like flour and water.
I mean, it couldn't. And then we had, you know, some
sesame seeds or some, you know, like dehydrated garlic or
something. It was pretty simple.
Yeah. Just put it in boiling water.
It was so fun. Oh, you did it in boiling water?
Oh, you really? You really made them.
Yeah, or and I think you did theboiling water a little bit then
(58:49):
bake it. Maybe there was like A2 fold
process? But really very easy.
Bagel maker. Right.
I even made churros once. Oh.
Yeah, I went to a whole other level.
See that? That is so freaking messy and
painful when the oil is like splattering on your arms.
Yeah, so that was a one. I'm done, but I did it.
(59:11):
I did it not. I could never make a churro.
I am now choosing not to ever dothat again.
For sure. Oh.
Jen, OK, thank you for everything that you've said.
Please tell everybody where where they can find and follow.
You on Instagram Jen dot sattler?
(59:31):
Same on TikTok. I don't do the Facebook anymore.
I've weaned from the Facebook. Awesome, it'll be in the show
notes. This was really so enjoyable.
I'm so glad to have met you and shared this time together.
Thank you and in conclusion, I want to invite you to raise a
(59:53):
glass and let us say cheers to There were so many good things,
but let's say cheers to abolishing.
I could never and. Abolishing.
I like that. Abolishing I could never and
just starting. That's cheers.
Cheers. Cheers.
(01:00:14):
My, my daughter's a big fan of Despicable Me.
And there's the clink. There's a wolf.
I don't know. I don't know if your sons were
like animated movie fans. They were, but that they're 21
and 24, so I can't, you know, all of that's out of the brain
at this point. Yeah, no, my daughter's 18 and
still loves them so. So if you're not familiar with
(01:00:36):
Despicable Me, with Steve Carell.
I think yes, yes, yes. Put that on the list.
But there's a, there's a like a little teacup like clink.
So I always think when I'm like clinking the zoom screen.
Yes, I will. I mean, when my son comes, my
younger son comes home, we'll see.
Maybe we'll have a Despicable Me.
(01:00:58):
Yes. It's so pure.
Yeah. Thank you so much.
And. Thank you SO.
So so grateful for this time. How fun is Jen Sattler?
Now you have to make it a point to check out her Instagram or
TikTok because her videos are addictive, engaging, and really
helpful at navigating the confusing world of women's
(01:01:22):
fashion. Now let me get into her many
notes from the sidelines. And just a reminder, these notes
from the sidelines are the takeaways from the conversation.
So we had a long conversation. These are essentially the Cliffs
Notes. Number one, A lot of people
don't like to talk about personal things or big issues,
and social media offers the opportunity to participate in
(01:01:42):
conversations or at least observe and listen to others.
So even for people that don't like to speak up about their
problems, they still crave connection, and social media
offers that. Number two, it's important to
connect and talk and not hide orthink things are taboo.
Conversation is how we learn #3 empty nest hood or kids aging
(01:02:05):
naturally changes our lives because we're no longer working
around their schedules #4 you can go on YouTube and learn just
about anything. So it's important for all of us
to find that something or many things that we want to explore
#5 stop overthinking and just dosomething.
(01:02:28):
Just start. So what if you fail number six?
There are so many things at our fingertips, so if we're not
doing something, trying something, engaging in
something, it's our fault #7. It's important to have
confidence in yourself and really not care what anyone else
thinks #8. We live in a culture of
(01:02:51):
following masses, especially when it comes to buying our
clothes. So just stop that.
Do your own thing #9 It's hard not to get influenced when we
see messages over and over again.
So if you are making purchases or following trends because you
see them everywhere, it's normal.
No judgement. Don't shame yourself #10 We live
(01:03:13):
in a world where people have no filter and many of them are
hiding behind their screen. So people will comment online
without facts just to hear themselves talk and think that
they're right. We need to be discerning #11
With maturity and age comes the confidence to speak up and the
(01:03:33):
awareness of wrongdoing. We know better, so we do better
#12IN midlife, it's important tosurround yourself with good
friends, people you can have real discussions with, And also
it's equally important to be comfortable in your own skin and
be happy doing what you're doing, regardless of what others
think #13 For nervous system regulation, Jen recommends going
(01:03:58):
for a walk, sitting outside, reading, engaging in craft
projects, or just getting on Instagram stories and purging
the thoughts in your mind #14 ifyou're saying the words, I could
never stop. Don't do that.
If you want to do something, just declare it and start.
And if you don't want to do something, that's fine.
(01:04:18):
But it's not. And I could never.
And finally #15 just get out there and start doing something.
You will be proud of yourself and want to try something else.
And it's an amazing thing to do something for yourself.
So thank you, Jen Sattler, for sharing yourself so honestly and
relatably. These were messages we needed to
(01:04:40):
hear. And Speaking of doing something
for yourself, I want to remind you to head to
gentlecoaching.com/veganism and do that for yourself.
Commit to your health, your vitality, and take a position on
doing less harm to the world around you.
I know you care. You care about your own pets,
(01:05:02):
other animals that you see out and about, like when you drive
past a farm and you care about the environment.
I know you recycle. You're not rolling down the
window and throwing trash out ofthe car.
But why not go a step further? Why not try going plant based?
And believe me, I know it's a huge undertaking, which is why I
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am a coach. I am that person who will
simplify it for you. Share recipes, give you shopping
lists and checklists, and cheerlead for you every step of
the way. So I hope to see you in the
program. Gentle coaching.com/veganism.
Grab a friend, do it together and keep tuning in.
Keep listening to these incredible conversations.
(01:05:44):
Tell your friends about SidelineSisters and I will see you right
back here next week for my beautiful conversation with the
gorgeous and talented Kate Taylor.
Have an amazing week, cheers to you.
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