Oscars, I.C.E. Raids, and Yahoo! Boys

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The NFL stole the Lord's Day just right out from
the.
They make everybody stand up.
Yeah for the pledge ofallegiance.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
They make you stand up for a national anthem and
it's like, oh, but there's nopolitics in sports.
No, no, exactly.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
So there's not a good faith argument.
God forbid they're taking metoo.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, right, like you win a championship, you go
to the White House.
Like what are we talking abouthere?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, All right, all right.
The world may not need anotherpodcast, but it can definitely
use a Slap.
Yes, right, welcome to Slap toPower, the show where we bring
together artists who use theirpowers for progress.

(00:35):
I'm Rick Barrio-Dill.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
And I'm Asia Nakia.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
On the show today.
The Oscar nominations are outand yes, I know it's super fun.
We got a lot of it for you.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And then we're going to talk about some Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
See, super fun.
I know that's your jam.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, oh it's totally my jam.
I'm the biggest footballfanatic there ever was.
But you know what it may not bethe Super Bowl I'm interested
in.
There's another type of bowlthat I want to get into.
Oh, oh, wow, I'm lookingforward to that.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, looking forward to that.
We've got Paws for Progress,where we get specific progress
on our furry friends, and thisone is Super Bowl related as
well.
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
And then we have our interview today in studio with
Andrew Robinson.
He is a pro athlete, anentrepreneur, creator,
storyteller, extraordinaire.
He's just fascinating, so can'twait to talk to him.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yes, andrew, shout out to Andrew, can't wait, yes.
And then, of course, what's agood chocolate cake without some
spinach?
We got to talk ice raids, iceraids, and I'm not talking about
snow cones.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, can't leave that one out.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
And then did you hear about the scammers that are
utilizing fake news videos forblackmail in Nigeria?
Whoa, we got to get into thatone too.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Wow, I did not.
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Yes, all right, here we are.
It's this time of year theOscar season.
I know, I know, beat up on us.
All.
You want Our crazy.
I love it.
I mean, it's one of my favoritetimes of year because it's just

(03:44):
.
This town is built on magic andit is sure everybody getting
together to talk about all thismagic that was made.
But what's wrong with that?
I think that's killer.
Everybody loves magic.
Kim Jong-un loves the magicthat we produce here.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
We need magic right now.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Take a better look, because we're just trying to
have fun and, you know, makethings out of thin air.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Agree, and I mean, this year had so many great
movies.
We had Wicked and then theSubstance.
Yeah, Did you see the Substance?
I have not yet and I know it'son my homework list.
I've got to do it before theOscars.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Super awesome, right, I keep hearing such good things
.
It's 40 minutes too long, in myopinion.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But it's awesome.
Alright, give me another 40minutes.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
You want more 40 minutes.
Asher wants another 40 minutes.
I love it.
I love it.
We're going to break down ourfavorite films nominated for
Oscars and give some shout-outsto some people we thought were
snubbed.
Yeah, I mean it's.
It's, there's a lot.
There's a long list on there.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, I saw there's some.
There's some serious dramagoing on with Amelia Perez,
apparently, and the cartel.
You know the way that they wereportrayed so I can't wait to
get into that.
But what do we have for BestPicture nominations?
What are we looking at?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes, nora, best Picture nominations.
What are we looking at?
Yes, nora, the Brutalist.
Amazing, a Complete Unknown.
Amazing Conclave, amazing Dune,part 2, which I didn't see, I
know, don't come at me.
Don't come at me.
I haven't either.
It's only because I wassupposed to see this.
I wasn't allowed to see thisalone and I haven't had the

(05:22):
chance to see it with somebody Ipromised it to, so, uh, but
amelia perez, which is um, I was.
It was a shock to the system,and then I was just kind of
blown away with the um, with theart and the boldness and the
approach of it and everything,um, uh.
And then there's also I'm stillhere, which is um, what is?
I'm still here, asher, you know, I haven't seen that one yet, I

(05:43):
know it, I'm still here, I'mStill here, I'm Still here.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I know I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I know I've seen the coming attraction for it.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, nickel Boys, the Substance and Wicked.
You see Wicked, wicked.
Everybody knows Wicked.
Now you see Wicked.
No, come on, I know caned inthis town for not seeing Wicked.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I probably will.
That's why I cover my window inmy office.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I've got to stay safe out here.
I've got to catch up this week.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I promise I'll catch up on all these Oscar
nominations.
I promise.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, oscars 2025 is March 2nd and, yeah, let's get
into the big one.
It's Emilia Perez, and if youhaven't seen it, and for those
who haven't seen it, we're notgoing to do any kind of spoilers
or anything like that but it'ssparked controversy for its
portrayal of cartel violence inMexico, and critics argued the

(06:33):
film lacks sensitivity andcontext, leading to accusations
of cultural insensitivity.
Additionally, the film hasfaced review bombing on Rotten
Tomatoes, further fuelingdebates about its reception.
I'm one of those that I'malways.
I love pushing the boundaries,because I'd rather see that than
another Marvel film.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
And I love.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Marvel Again.
I love Marvel.
Keep putting out great stuff.
It's just when everything kindof falls into that category for
it.
Sometimes you go really far outon the edge and I look back at
things like like movies, likecrazy movies, like brazil or
brazil.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Wow, yeah, like time bandits.
Well, I'm still.
I'm still tripping on like,yeah, handmaid's tale, like I'm
still that's it, yeah, as it'sstill replaying that they should
make that a movie out of thatthey really absolutely.
Can we about Super Bowl, whichis just literally right around
the corner?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
If it wasn't for Asher putting this on here, I
wouldn't even know who wasplaying.
That's me being honest.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
But apparently it's Asher doesn't know how to spell
Super Bowl, but what is SuperBowl?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Super Bowl, so yeah.
Not my thing, but I doappreciate the sport.
I also appreciate Puppy Bowl,hell yeah, which gets me real
excited.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Me too, me too.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
But before we get into that, because you know what
I feel, like that's like apause for progress thing.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm going to skip over it.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Let's talk about what's happening at the Caesars
Superdome in New Orleans forSuper Bowl.
We've got John Batiste, we'vegot Kendrick Lamar SZA
headlining the halftime show.
I mean, it's going to be killer.
It's killer Like I'm not goingto miss this halftime.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
No no, no.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Okay, so from the sports fanatics in the room, who
are you all rooting for?
Anybody?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I don't know the only person that I would trust to
make this decision in here isandrew, yeah who you going?
For andrew who so.
So I feel like I I'm acommander's fan.
So my team just lost.
So I'm heartbroken because Idon't want to root for the
eagles, but at the same time Idon't want the chiefs to win
again.
I'm tired of seeing themwinning okay, got it to make
myself feel better, I feel likewe've got two black quarterbacks
in the bowl.
Yeah yeah, hell, yeah.
So it's a win-win for me.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Hell, yeah, okay now, that gets me excited.
So, now, I'm on board again.
I'm on board again.
Yeah, and what about thehalftime show?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I've seen Kendrick.
I'm going the dopest concert,so I'm pretty excited about this
.
I haven't, I don't know, Idon't understand.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Maybe we'll get into this with andrew when you have
him on the interview but, why islil wayne not there?
I just don't understand I don'tunderstand to me that's a
disqualifier if you're gonnahave it in in new orleans unless
unless you're gonna pull arabbit out of a hat and he's
like got a.
You know he's gonna do somekind of come up out of the
bottom of the floor, you, youknow what I'm saying, but you
got to have.
How do you have something in NewOrleans and not have Lil Wayne?

(09:24):
I just I don't get it.
But I'm a massive Kendrick fan.
Obviously we're LA, he's, youknow, he's West Coast, and so
I'm looking forward to it.
But what was your favoritehalftime show ever, Do you
remember?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Oh man, my favorite.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
You're waiting too long.
There's only one correct answerit's Prince.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Sorry, oh yeah, okay, fine, all right.
Yes, prince, I mean I was goingdown the line, but yes, you're
right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
But I did, like Dr Dre, the.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Dr Dre, one was pretty dope.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, and that guy that shall no longer be referred
to.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
The dog, father, father.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
that's all I'm gonna refer I didn't mind the the jt
one, but also there was thewhole scandal involved and just
kind of made it you know, awhole thing yeah, uh, wow, I
mean I because it was.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's hard for me to even get past prince, just in
the rain.
You know three guitar solos inthe first song, like in the
first song man who does that?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
no, he's ridiculous.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, you're right, you're right no, no, no, no,
sorry, it was also just just I'm.
I'm one of those.
I'll bowl you over with my lovefor print.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I am here for it.
I just I'm not a Super Bowlperson, you know.
So like I've missed half theshows, to be honest with you,
and the most that I've paidattention is getting back to our
Pause for Progress update,that's because you're busy
doing-ish.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's because I've been busy doing-ish, you
doing-ish.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
But we do have Puppy Bowl.
So I don't know if everyoneknows about Puppy Bowl, but
there are at least 2 millionviewers that do.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Puppy Bowl.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
And.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Puppy Bowl goes on during the halftime, which is
why I've been busy not payingattention to the halftime show.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
No, you've been doing the real work.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But we've got Buster and Sky this year.
They're on Team Ruff and TeamFluff.
It is the cutest, freakingthing you can ever imagine.
It's a bunch of puppies playingSuper Bowl and it is just
ridiculous.
They're throwing footballsaround, they're just playing on
the field.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
On different teams On different teams.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
We do the filming every year.
This is our fourth yearinvolved, third year with
players on the field.
Yeah, so yeah, everybody needsto root for Buster and Sky
Buster and.
Sky, yes, yeah, so yeaheverybody needs to root for
Buster and Sky Buster and.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Sky.
Yes, buster and Sky.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You hear that Buster and Sky, and you can't really
root for one side or the other,because I've got two kids on
each team, so you can go fluffor rough.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, either way, we'll forgive you.
Either way, no, it's.
The world is yours.
You can't lose.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
We can't, you can't lose, exactly we can't lose,
we're just winning in this superbowl, yeah, you know, yeah, and
I mean the puppy bowl and kindof like the puppy roll, where,
uh, you know, one of the theprincipal uh points is to
actually sort of help find dogshomes.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, yeah, no absolutely, and and it is all
rescue dogs, which I'm reallyproud of animal planet for for
doing that.
So it's all rescue dogs.
They do a lot of you know ofthese animals, the ones that are
available for adoption, so it'sgreat and tons of viewers We've
had.
Snoop Dogg has been the hostevery year with Martha Stewart.
So I mean, you know, All right,that's good.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
When we come back, we're going to get at Andrew and
we're going to talk all thingscooler than what we were just
talking about.

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Speaker 3 (13:02):
All right, welcome back from the break.
We've got in-house today AndrewRobinson, the one and only
creator, entrepreneur, pro,athlete all the things we're so
excited to have you here today.
We've had the pleasure ofhaving Andrew in the office
quite a bit in the studio hereand there, but this is the first
time he's been on the show, sowelcome.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Thank you for having me Long time coming Appreciate
it.
Yeah, so welcome.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Thank you for having me Long time coming Appreciate
it.
Yeah, no, no, no, kidding, it'sgreat because we started
working together on your podcastand we're going to get into
that.
But you know, the premise ofour show is artists.
They're using their powers forgood and for progress and I love
the fact that we just get toturn to you, our brother, and be
like talk about what you do,because it is legit that.

(13:48):
So, yeah, for those people thatdon't know, introduce yourself.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, my name is Andrew Robinson, born and raised
in Maryland, tacoma Park,maryland to be exact, I have an
identical twin brother.
Fun fact, I don't know if youall know that.
Yeah, I know I didn't know that, so didn't know that yeah yeah,
yeah, so identical twin brotherwho grew up with me obviously
my whole life, and he is a coachnow for the Cleveland Cavaliers

(14:12):
, so he's doing his thing.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
You heard of him, you heard of the.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Cleveland Cavaliers Best team in the.
NBA right now.
Check him out.
Check him out.
You heard of him, but I've beenplaying overseas now for four
years and I like to think ofmyself as kind of an athlete but
kind of a creator, justcreative in general.
I have my own podcast that I doand I like to create content.
I like to really express myselfin a lot of different ways.

(14:37):
So I try to do that throughdifferent mediums, whether it be
social media or modeling orpodcasting, things like that.
But yeah, I feel like 2025.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
This is an audio medium.
He is very, very sexy, so youmight want to pull over and make
sure you go to the YouTubeversion of this.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
We'll make sure we have his face on the thumbnail.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got you.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
She appreciates it.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
You're a model man.
I didn't have that.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
We got you, we got you.
She appreciates it.
Yeah, yeah man.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
You're a model man.
Hey, hey, hey, that's how youdo it, hey wait until the mingle
.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Take me out.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I know.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I didn't have that in my intro, but now I'll start
including it.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, my bad.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
So something that I feel like we've always connected
on from the beginning is justtalking about the
intersectionality of creativityand what you do, what we do and
how we're all trying to move theneedle forward.
We're artists, we're musicians,djs, models.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
You're the model Professional basketball players.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
I know, I know, look at her outfit.
She's got the red lip on.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Alright, you guys can't see if you're just
listening, but I'm blushing now.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I'm just going to cover myself.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
No, I am not a model, but I could be a model citizen,
maybe.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
You're humble, you're humble, it's okay.
Yeah, she's very, very humble,whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Moving on.
I have some questions.
No, but speaking ofintersectionality and creativity
, I just wanted to get into thisa little bit because we haven't
really dove really far deepinto this conversation.
Yeah, but how would you defineintersectionality and how has it
shaped how you conduct yourstorytelling?

(16:17):
How does it play a role in whatyou're doing creatively right
now?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, for sure.
I think it kind of goes back to2020 around, when the NBA was
kind of in a bubble season andobviously also it was like
George Floyd and a bunch ofdifferent social justice things
were going on and I remember alot of NBA players were like
protesting and speaking up onthe things that were going on.
It was also like an electionseason.
So, like, one of my favoriteplayer in the NBA is LeBron

(16:42):
James.
So I love, I love LeBron, Ilove what he stands for and his
whole thing of like more than anathlete is like his whole
mantra.
He started uninterrupted onthat same thing more than an
athlete and has a productioncompany with Spring Hill and so
for me, that kind of inspired mejust looking at him and the
things that he does outside ofbasketball acting and doing
Space Jam and all thesedifferent things.
But specifically, it wassomething that happened during

(17:04):
that time where LeBron wastrying to do all this voter
drive and getting people out tothe polls and they were
protesting in the bubble andthey were having messaging on
their warm-ups and all that kindof stuff.
And there was a Fox Newsreporter.
I think her name was LauraIngraham.
I'm pretty sure that's what hername was.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
She's not a reporter.
Yeah, whatever, Don't give herthat much.
I really didn't even want tosay her name, to be honest.
Don't even give her that much.
I didn't even want to say hername, to be honest.
She's an outrage hack.
But go ahead.
Yeah, literally.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
But she caused a lot of commotion because she was
like oh you know, lebron, allthese athletes.
He said the athletes shouldn'tbe concerned with getting into
political statements or voicingtheir political opinions and
things like that, and theyshould just shut up and dribble
and be our entertainment.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
And so you know what that?
It's simply what that it's.
First of all, none of it's agood faith argument, because
it's just it's trying to stifleyour power.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, but yet politicians should be yeah, no,
no, no, exactly, it's just whatare you even saying they are
scared of your power, they'rescared of the voices.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
People are so hypocritical, though, because
they say, oh, shut up anddribble, take the sports.
But then, if you look at, likethe NFL, for example, every game
, before the game, they roll outthe flag and the national
anthem and they do the planeflyovers.
Where does?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
that make sense.
It doesn't even add up.
I love what they said inConcussion Like they literally
stole the Lord's Day and still,you know people are still amazed
by it.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Nfl stole the Lord's Day justright out from it.
They make everybody stand up.
Yeah For the pledge ofallegiance.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
they make you stand up for a national anthem and
it's like, oh, but there's nopolitics, politics and sports.
Give me a break.
There's not a good faithargument.
God forbid, you're taking me tooRight, right, like you win a
championship, you go to theWhite House Like what are we
talking about here?
Yeah, yeah, so long story short.
I say all that to say like, forme that was something that I
was seeing and I was growing upas an athlete and I was like

(19:00):
play basketball or football,whatever sports you do, and they
want you to stick to that stayin that lane, Just shut up and
do yeah.
So for me, I think I alwayspushed against that because I
saw a lot of different areas inlife that athletes could
contribute.
At the end of the day, we havea lot of influence as far as
being on TV or followers or kidsthat look up to you.
So for me, I always felt like Ihad a responsibility to pour

(19:24):
into other areas of my life,whether that be creatively,
socially, like.
I think that kind of alwaysinspired me to try to get
involved.
So I think as I got older andbeing and had an opportunity to
have my own platform and figureout ways that I could contribute
myself, I think that the wholeidea of just intersectionality

(19:44):
really spoke to me and I neverwanted to be a person where it
was like, oh, what do you do?
And it's like, oh, I'm anathlete, or what do you do, or
I'm a content creator on this.
I feel like if people ask mewhat I do, I don't even really
know what answer to give thembecause, like, you do a bunch of
different things you know.
So I like, I like that.
That's the culture that I feltlike people are leaning a lot

(20:04):
more into today and, um, I don'tthink you have to be one thing.
You know what I mean, I think.
Even if you're not an athlete,like people who have nine to
fives, right, like you have yournine to five and then you go
home and you're a mom and you'retaking care of your kids, or
you go home and you might have apassion project that you pour
into, whether it's photographyor whatever the case may be, I
think that, at the end of theday, everybody should have
something that they just arepassionate about, that they pour

(20:27):
into.
That is separate from thethings that they might may do to
make money.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
So yeah, it's, it's such a good point and and I I
just to touch on that because Ifeel like I've struggled with
that my whole life of like, whatdo you do?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
And what are you and I'm?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
one thing in.
You know, I've got one hat onfor one thing, and then in the
next minute I'm doing somethingcompletely different.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
And it's funny how people struggle to see you in
like different areas.
You know Like I run into it allthe time with you know being a
rescuer.
People will be like if they seeme like DJing an event or
something they're like oh, butdon't you like?
The question is but don't yourescue animals?
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes, I do.

(21:10):
I'm both I also do that orthey'll see me like salsa
dancing and they're like oh, butI thought you were a.
I'm like why?
Why are we so constricted?
Like I can be all of thosethings you can pull in.
You things, yeah, you can pullin.
And I you know, growing up itwas always like pick one thing
and be really really really goodat it.
Right, like that was the, thatwas the thing you have to be.
One thing, asia, you can't bethis, you can't be that.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So it was either I was a dancer, I was this, or but
no, you can be everything youknow yeah, it's so I I like that
you brought that up, because Ifeel like I've always struggled
with wearing a lot of differenthats I, I almost feel like, yeah
, you, almost everybody kind ofhas to be to some degree, and if
you're where we come from,we're trying to be artful with

(21:50):
our lives.
However, we can best be, youknow, because we all are artists
of our own life.
Right, rick Rubin, like and Ithink in that aspect, letting
anybody tell us or tell you, ortell one what you know, what it,
what, what you are or are not,is you know.
Ultimately you're the artist,you're the painter you know, and

(22:12):
that and that.
What I love about it is um, onsome levels I wish I could.
I could only have one thing tofocus on, right because yeah
because I have 2.7 billionthings going on every day and
it's stressful and it'soverwhelming and stuff like that
, but I also don't know that Iwould have it any other way,
because we're at this placewhere we're trying to do things

(22:35):
that are meaningful to us andconnect with us and help people
to whatever extent we can.
Speaking of that, the podcastis called what's in your bag?
Yep, Yep and what.
What was what inspired that?
You know, because everybody'sgot a bunch in their bag, but
what inspired that?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, um, I feel like shout out to you, man, you know
you got a little.
I feel like you're your cultureand you know what I mean.
So I got to respect that,because I feel like a lot of
people in basketball I startedit it was kind of like people
will be like oh well, what's inyour bag?
Like if somebody has like abunch of moves that they can do
between the legs and step back,his bag is deep.
So it's like a sports thing.
You know what I mean.
Like how creative are you onthe court?

(23:16):
So it's kind of like a thingthat people just kind of say in
passing.
But so for me, what inspired thename was?
Like when we first started thepodcast, we were talking to
mainly athletes.
So we had a couple NBA guys onoverseas athletes and I wanted
to know what's in your bag likeoutside of sports.
You know what I mean.
So, like, what are you inspiredby what things?

(23:37):
What things keep you up atnight when you're not in the gym
?
You know what I mean.
Like what, what passionprojects are you working on?
So for me, that was literallylike my inspiration, and
sometimes we will have guests onand I'll be like, hey, like.
So let's say you're going out,uh, to the club, or you're going
out with your friends.
Like what's literally in yourbag, like what's what, like what
are you bringing with you?

Speaker 4 (23:56):
you're bringing the chapstick.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean you're bringing your phone charger.
If you're a woman, you'rebringing your taser, your pepper
, pepper spray, whatever you got.
You know what I mean.
So, um, bring a Glock.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
No, literally whatever, whatever.
There's like a literal sense toit, but then also like all the
plays on it.
Right, it was more so just likewhat?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
like what?
What are you into?
Um, outside of basketball?
Cause I feel like everybody'speople look at us as athletes
you know what I mean, and Ithink especially at a at the NBA
level or at the professionallevel.
It's almost looked at as anegative thing if you enter
other things because they say,oh well, you know, it's a
distraction if you likephotography, or it's a
distraction if you like to playvideo games or stream or

(24:34):
whatever.
So for me, I was trying toshine a light on the fact that,
like, at the end of the day,there's only so many hours you
can spend in the gym.
Right, I could be in the gymworking on my game for four or
five hours.
Yeah, I still got 19 more hoursin my day to divvy up and other
things.
So, um, I think that being ableto encourage that and kind of
change the narrative around thatwas important to me, because

(24:55):
that was something that Iexperienced, like in my playing
career, like coaches giving youlike backhanded compliments on
things that I was doing outsideof basketball, or or just making
being very passive, aggressivearound the things that I was
doing outside of basketball, orjust making being very passive,
aggressive around the thingsthat I was doing outside of just
coming to practice and playinga game.
So for me I was trying to justbe a part of like changing that

(25:15):
conversation around athletes andreally embracing like athletes
as a whole.
You know what I mean Because atthe end of the day, like we're
humans, we're individuals andwe're whole people.
You know we're more than justwhat goes on between the four
lines or the baseball diamond orwhatever sports you're playing.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, yeah, now you started All Facts, media which
you know, tell us about that andkind of what your inspiration
is there.
Where do you see it going?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, so I mentioned I have a twin brother.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
From what team again?
I forget Cleveland Cavaliers.
Yeah, the greatest team in theNBA, cleveland Cavaliers.
Check him out again.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I always tease my brother because I'll tell him he
wants to be just like me.
I'm like his biggest role model.
He looks up to me.
Ace, if you're watching this, Iknow I'm biggest role model, he
looks up to me.
So, ace, if you're watchingthis, I know I'm your role model
.
But I've got to let the peopleknow.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Flexing up in here.
I like it.
What's your brother's name?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Aaron Ace, I know you listen to this.
Aaron Roberts Looks just likehim yeah.
I always tease him because I sayI picked journalism first.
My sophomore year of highschool I took journalism class.
My junior year of high school Iwas an opinion editor for my
school newspaper.
My senior year I was a sportseditor for my school newspaper

(26:32):
and I always knew that I kind ofwanted to go into media sports
reporting.
Then in college my brotherhopped on the bandwagon,
followed in my footsteps anddecided to major in journalism.
But it was funny though,because when we were in college
I played as a historically blackfraternity shout out a fire,

(26:53):
you know what I mean.
So I was the chapter presidentand like that kind of took away
some of my media like time I hadto devote to that.
So my brother actually likekind of passed me a little bit
like in the media stuff.
He was like super involved inour student media organization
and doing shows and all thatkind of stuff.
But we both ended up graduatingwith our degrees in journalism
from Quinnipiac University up inConnecticut.
It's like half an hour from theESPN studio.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Who had the better?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
GPA, me, me.
I think I was 3.8.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
He might have been like 3.6 something.
We're both good students, so Igot to give him his credit.
There's one winner?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair, fair,fair.
We're both good students, so Igot to give him his credit.
Yeah, yeah, but you knowthere's one winner, yeah, yeah,
only one, only one.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know I'm falsely clear, you know.
So we had like state of the artlike it was kind of like this
we had our studio, we hadcameras, like ESPN was like 30

(27:47):
minutes away, so we could greatplaces.
So we graduated and we ended upgoing to an HBCU for our last
year to play.
We had one more year ofeligibility and we went there
together.
But, as I know a lot of peoplemay not know this, but a lot of
times HBCUs are like severelyunderfunded so we don't have a
lot of the same resources as alot of these PWIs PWIs
predominantly white institutionthat I went to before.
So we didn't have acommunications program at Cobham
State University, there were nocommunications master's

(28:10):
programs, we didn't have studioslike camera equipment, any of
that stuff.
So we were like, well, we justgot this amazing degree in
journalism, we know we want towork in the media.
How are we going to be able tonetwork and how are we going to
be able to keep our skills sharpin order to break into the
industry?
So we decided to start our ownthing.
So we started all facts, mediaand, uh, we started to just kind

(28:31):
of cover sports in the dmv.
We covered the nationals firstworld series.
When we won baseball back in2019, we were debating each
other and, uh, that's kind ofhow it started and we started
our podcast interviewing collegecoaches and then it kind of
grew.
It started and we started ourpodcast interviewing college
coaches and then it kind of grewfrom there and then when my
brother took the job, he wasinitially working for the
Clippers.
That's kind of how I came to LAinitially was to visit him when

(28:53):
he was with the Clippers.
He kind of had to get out ofthe whole media space because it
was kind of a conflict ofinterest with the coaching and
the media and talking to collegeplayers it was kind of like a
no-no.
So he kind of had to go thecoaching route and then it was
kind of just me.
So from there was when I kindof rebranded it from kind of
more of a college basketballpodcast to more of like a

(29:14):
creative lifestyle podcast towhat we're doing now.
And then, as far as where I seeit, I kind of want to continue
to use it to have conversations,have conversations that are
different from kind of themainstream media you would see
on, like ESPN, where we'retalking about just sports.
I kind of want to continue toexpand upon the conversation
that we're having now,storytelling and just inspiring

(29:34):
people that look like me, comefrom situations like me, who may
not have a roadmap to get towherever they're trying to go in
life, whether that be you wantto be a professional athlete,
you want to be a professionalathlete, you want to be a
content creator, you want to bein the media, you want to be in
the corporate world and be adoctor or a lawyer.
I think a lot of people justneed a roadmap and they need
people to be able to inspirethem and hear from people who

(29:56):
are doing the things thatthey're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Sure, and hitting the problems that everybody's
hitting I problems that peopleeverybody's hitting.
I mean we were talking about itbefore we went live here but uh
, well, actually our live peopleprobably heard the, the, our
people that are on our um, ouryoutube library or whatever, but
we were, we were talking aboutit ahead of time how there is an
a shutdown on all you knowfederal funding and it's in the
name of like what the thing thatI that is startling to me is it

(30:22):
?
It started with the bishop thatasked the president to be
humane have mercy, Ask forempathy and it became this big
giant.
How?
dare you ask for empathy.
I'm like in what theologicalsense is that not just a shared

(30:44):
principle?
And they're coming in sayingthat it's political and art, but
when they're literally again,in what theological sense is
that not just a shared principle?
They're coming in saying thatit's political and art, but when
they're literally again, it'snot a good faith argument, but
shutting down all the federalfunding and things.
This is where, in the name ofDEI, when did diversity in
America be wrong?
When did equity, when didthings equal be, be something to

(31:05):
be celebrated, to getting ridof equality?
That's the thing that itstartles me, because people may
have voted for for him, but theydidn't vote for this and we
knew it right.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah we knew it was coming we knew this was coming.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
So it's very, very, you know, obviously frustrating
for us.
Yeah, but to continue to levelthis false argument, that's the
kind of stuff where I see ball.
I feel like professionalathletes are some of the most
important people to be involvedin this stuff.
And it's the same thing when,literally one of the reasons why
I started this company wasbecause I caught shit for

(31:42):
speaking out against at the time, a long time ago, I caught shit
for speaking out against.
Uh, at the time, a long timeago, I caught shit for speaking.
I was like same thing.
You know, shut up and play basswas literally what they told me
.
And and then I kept gettingthat and I was like you know,
you haven't met me, man, yeah,you know, and and I just think
that the fact that we're sayingwhat they don't want to hear,

(32:02):
yeah, right, yeah, and so foryou, you know, I applaud you for
taking that on in the show,because I think what was it was?
I was told by our managementdon't do it, you know.
You don't do it, you're goingto alienate half your American
audience and blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
But that's not because of me orthe way I was thinking, that's
because of where we've been putinto two teams and it's been put

(32:26):
into red and blue teams.
It's not a red and blue thing,it's a class thing.
It is a class thing.
And so I feel like athletes andperformers and people that have
leverage props for using yourleverage any way you can,
because it's hard to fight backagainst a trillion dollar

(32:48):
company.
Yeah Right, so we got to useeverything we can.
Yeah, you know, it's kind ofwhat I feel like.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
So I just I mean there should have never been any
red or blue.
There should be no deviationbetween empathy, compassion, a
moral equity and inclusion andthat's what it actually.
Yeah, but it kind of bothers mesometimes that we don't have
just like a code of ethics thateveryone lives by and then
everything outside of that codeof ethics.

(33:15):
Sure, you can pick this, youcan pick that, but not out of
this.
Just like you know, with theTen Commandments everybody
abides, you know well noteverybody, but you know there
has to be some kind of precedentand race.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're coming for us now.
I'm talking too much.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
But, but you know what I mean.
Like those shouldn't be on thetable.
There shouldn't even be areason for them to be on the
table because they shouldalready be included in the
conversation.
Like I, that's where I start.
It's like why are we eventalking about this?
Like it doesn't even make anysense to me.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I feel like that is the art to me, is trying to
synthesize this world where welive in, where you know, so you
got Elon.
He takes over Twitter so thathe can spread misinformation.
You know 200 million people at atime, at a sec in a second
Right and time in a second right, and so the only way to fight
back, I think, against that isthe art that's being asked of us

(34:09):
in this time, which is, I alsodo think people do have a good
sense on bullshit if it'spresented in the right way.
I don't know, I don't know whatthey do.
But I'm saying it's getting sold.
It's being sold so well thatpeople don't.
But you don't need everyone,you just need enough people that
are looking to maybe be moreenlightened, right, or something

(34:30):
like that.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Well there.
So there was this post I sawyesterday and it was um.
I didn't know that this bookexisted, but it's called the
cult of Trump and it's I.
I was about right, and it'sSounds about right, and it's
from a gentleman who studiescult behavior.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And I think his name is Stephen Hassan.
If I'm not, you know missayingthat, but he is.
I'm definitely reading the bookbecause he's calling out as
someone that he left a cult.
But he shows like there'sdifferent levels of cults and
different like types of cults.
There's even positive cultsthat like allow you to be you,

(35:07):
but you, you all, abide by thesecertain things.
And then there's these cults onthis side and he's like
discussing in the book, like,the art of manipulation and the
way that the information isdisseminated out of Trump's
mouth, and he, he pulls theseexamples that are just very,
very clever and it'll be likethe sky is green and then I saw

(35:28):
a rabbit and you can turn yourTV on and that's how we save
America and everyone goes yeahand goes for it, even though
it's a mastermind of confusion.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yes, so he is the.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
he is a mastermind of confusion, and chaos that to a
point where you don't even knowwhat you just heard.
Your brain can't put theelements together, so you just
go for it.
So it's a.
It's a different level of cultand it's a different level of
manipulation and that is why heis so good.
So I'm really curious to readthis book.
I'm like I'm all in it becauseI love studying dictatorships

(36:01):
and cults and how you get peopleto follow.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, I've been fascinated by that well, yeah,
30 years, yeah, and we we'regonna need, we're gonna need all
the megaphones and microphoneswe can get, man, because I don't
know what happens if you gettuberculosis, but apparently,
because they shut down the CDCand stuff, tuberculosis is
apparently on the run in Kansasor somewhere in the middle.
There's like several hundred.
What happens I don't know, butwe're not allowed to get this

(36:25):
information anymore.
How is that helping people?
How is that helping anybody?
How is that lowering the priceof eggs, you know, and stuff?
It's not.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
It's not a good faith argument.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I feel like I think that just kind of going back to
your point which said earlierabout kind of people voting for
Trump but not knowing what theywere voting for yeah, I think
it's kind of twofold because, onthe one hand, I think it's we
have a double edged sword, right, because I remember when the
election came out and they weregoing over the demographic of
like who voted for who, and itwas like this percent of the

(36:55):
people with the college degreevoted for Kamala, this percent
of people who were uneducatedvoted for Trump, and it was like
so it's clear that the peoplewho are voting for Trump aren't
like as highly.
Yeah, they're not getting theinformation, same information,
so there's a disconnect in that.
How, how are we disseminatingthis information and things like

(37:17):
that?
And I feel like I was lookingover this thing today about like
okay, he's ending all thefederal grants and like what
that actually looks like,because people might see that
and be like oh, all rightgovernment shutdown.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
saving money and it's like food stamps are being cut,
like student financial aid andgrants.
It's not just cut, it's tryingto be eliminated Right.
Like Medicaid, like educationprograms after school, like all
these things are things that,like people, people survive on
People literally, like I grew upon, like a lot of these things.
I'm on half those programs Likefood stamps, medicaid, like all

(37:51):
these things, are things that,like Trump, is trying to get rid
of, and it's like we can say,oh, we knew this was going to
happen.
You guys voted for him, butthere's a lot of people who
didn't know, that Right theydon't do the research to figure
the things out.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Well, and oddly enough, that's them.
Yeah, Like I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah sure, voting against your own self-interest,
they're literally voting againstthemselves.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I mean a lot of the people that are in these
uneducated classes are dealingwith federal aid and getting
scholarships Not in a bad way,and I'm not saying that in a bad
way, but we're talking aboutwhere the votes came from right.
This is affecting you, though,so this is just a fact.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
It affects everybody Because this is the part that
never gets talked about is thatmoney gets put, all of that
money gets put back into theeconomy and it's in the form, in
all kinds of different forms,but that's what keeps.
It's like starving your car ofgasoline man and expecting it to
run and that's the point,though.
They don't want it to run, theywant to destroy it, they want to

(38:46):
break it down, and so that'swhy I'm saying it's not a good
faith argument.
We kind of have to startshifting the argument to okay,
what do we do now?
You know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And I think it goes to like.
So the first time Trump gotelected, I remember I was
obviously like, distraught, like, and so when he got elected
again, I was just more so.
I wish I was more likedisappointed and fearful for the
future rather than just likesurprised.
Yeah, and there was this wholething like that people said when
I remember when Obama gotelected, it was like obviously

(39:18):
this huge win for the blackcommunity and like first black
president and things like that.
But a lot of people also feltlike, because Obama got elected
and a lot of people wereoutraged by that and it like
literally sent a lot of peopleto like the whole.
People were like, oh, we'removing in the right direction,
da, da, da.
And now people had like this,we're moving in the right
direction, da-da-da.
And now people had this drasticreaction to turn the clock back
, to go all the way backwards,yeah, and then we got Trump, and
I think that's what's going tohappen here.

(39:39):
Trump's going to be in office,he's going to set America back X
amount of years and people aregoing to be like, oh my God,
what did we do?
And then we're going to have tocome together again and rally
and I think at this point he'sin office, so us continuing to
just oh, trump complains likeall right.

(39:59):
Now it's like all right.
Well, maybe we need to figureout, like how we can you guys
can, people can open their eyesand see what's happening, to
understand that, like this isnot what we need as a country,
and in four years, we need to doeverything that we can possibly
do to make sure he doesn't geta third term, because I I did
see something that it introducedthe bill to the house to try to
get him a third term, I'm like.
So I think that this is anopportunity for people to rally

(40:20):
together and come together morethan we've ever come before
before and love on each otherand try to be compassionate
towards one another and educateone another Like and that's
something that I even have hadto do a little bit of like
reconciliation for myself,because I feel like when the
election first happened, I wasjust so angry and like, yeah,
the conversation around peoplethat I was, that I knew who

(40:41):
either didn't vote or maybe theydidn't go to the polls and vote
for trump, but they're like, oh, he did this, he did that, and
I'm like dude, like I lashed out, was like anger, like you know
what I mean, and I feel like Ihad to kind of like even do some
reconciliation because it'slike, all right at the end of
the day, these are the peoplewho we have to find middle
ground with.
Yeah, because, like, these arepeople who might, might, four

(41:06):
years from now, go to the pollsand be like you know what.
This didn't work for me and weneed to change it.
And so how can we haveconversations with people to
educate people, bring peopletogether, love on one another
and maybe that's the way that wecan kind of have some progress.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's the only way, you know, we got to introduce
love.
Stay open as much as we can.
And yeah, just, you know we'renot, we can't expect everybody,
but I know there's going to be alot of people that are
bewildered and there are a lotof people right now that are
just kind of like wait a minutewhat, you know, wait a minute
what.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
And maybe it'll be somewhat of a wake-up call,
because the other thing thatI've noticed for all the time
I've been on this planet is ifit doesn't affect somebody
personally.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Directly yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Unless they are in the wheelhouse of a humanitarian
extreme empathy, like, unlessyou're sitting on that side of
the fight, if you're just theday-to-day person that's trying
to take care of your immediatefamily, you go to work, you go
home.
If it does not personally touchyou, you're not going to care.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
And that's a sad reality.
It's going to knock on a lot ofpeople's doors.
But it's going to knock on alot of people's doors.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
And I think that personal touch is what's going
to happen.
The sad part for me is I don'teven give a shit what you do to
me, I don't care Like I don't.
But all the suffering of thepeople during those four years
that has to come for us to getto this point of some resolution
.
That's the part that I'm justlike.
I'm like how many people haveto be sacrificed?

Speaker 4 (42:29):
for everybody to wake the fuck up.
You know that's what kills me.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I know we're going to get there because I agree with
you.
I feel like this rebellion it'sgoing to flip.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
And I feel like this is all part of our you know,
it's part of the path.
We're going to end up on theother side somehow, but not
without a path of destructionand devastation and mass
suffering.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And that's what gets me.
It just shows you how far westill have to go in.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
America.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
You know what I mean.
Like we people always say oh,look, how far we came.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
And like we have.
So Look how backwards you cango in one day Like this.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
It's like I was at.
I was in Sacramento this pastweekend and we went to a Martin
Luther King dinner, kind ofobviously honoring his legacy
and everything that he did, andthey were talking about how like
.
So it was a keynote speaker.
Her name was Lisa McNair andshe's the younger sister of
Denise McNair, who was a girlwho one of the four girls who
was killed in the 16th Streetchurch bombing in Birmingham,

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alabama, and her sister, likestill alive telling the stories
Her, and her sister, like stilllive, telling the stories her
parents.
He's showing his pictures.
It's like people think, allthese people they always talk
about, how people show picturesof MLK and a lot of times
they're in like black and whiteand people think in their mind
that was so long ago.
It's like MLK would have been96 this year, like I just saw,
like my uncle was, like myaunt's mom, she's like my
great-grandma.
She's alive.
They would have been the sameage.

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You know what I mean?
It wasn't that long ago.
And people, I think, a lot oftimes in their mind they think,
oh well, america, we've come sofar.
And it's like moments like this.
I want you to realize how farwe still have to go as a country
as a society, morally, and Ithink that, hopefully, that this
will give people the wake-upcall that like oh Well, the

(44:10):
podcast is called what's in yourBag?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you know, I think gatheringthese armies is what we're here
to do and it's an honor to bein it with you.
We're talking about trying tocombine, but you know you can
get it what's in your Baganywhere where you get your
podcasts.
But we'll keep working on these.
Slap the Power, slap theNetwork.
What's in your bag?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
combos man, let's build some armies, powerful For
sure.
Let's build some armies.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
For sure.
Thank you for being on the show, Andrew Robinson.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
thank you, my man, thank you for having me
Appreciate you, appreciate youguys, appreciate you guys.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Join me Sasha Peters on Women in the New Season 2,
where we bear it all except forour bodies.
Leave that to your imagination.
My wish for women is we stripaway the fear of judgment and
really embrace the full spectrumof who we are.
I don't know if you were comingto terms with being pregnant on
the show.
Yeah, I think she was a littledepressed.
Let's live boldly and openlyand change the narratives that
define us.
I called my doctor.

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I'm like I want to drive my carthrough a brick wall.
We deserve it and there's nobetter time than now.
Let's get out of our comfortzone and get down to the bottom
of who we are.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
All right, before we get out of here, after some fun,
it's time for a dose of reality, and you know the fun with
Andrew had some reality.
But right now across the UnitedStates, ice has been raiding
homes looking for undocumentedimmigrants.
Yeah, you know this is.
It comes in the wake of thefirst week back in office of DJT

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keeping its promise aboutdeportation, so again we kind of
knew it was coming.
But horrific stories have beencoming to light about the ICE
raids and activists have takento social media to share
people's stories and shareresources, which I think is what
that is.
The only prescription is goingto be independent media,
absolutely, and you know soshout out to everybody putting

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it out there.
I mean, I have to admit, youknow some of the things I've
seen, just with respect toworkers not showing up to work,
you know, agriculturally, youknow, just basically for fear of
being deported, basically forfear of being deported.
I saw the C-130 for like$800,000 as potentially being

(46:19):
used to deport like 80 migrantsto Guatemala or something like
that.
It's all for a photo op, like adictatorial photo op, right?
If you really wanted adepartment of government
efficiency to work, which youdon't, it's not a good faith

(46:44):
argument, but you would do whatwe've done, which is you hire
Spirit Airlines for like $8 anhour and they'll fly you around.
That's what we've always doneis to charter planes for, like
you know, I think it's like$8,000 an hour, right?
So if it's a 10-hour flight,it's $80,000.
Split it, but instead a C-130,on the other hand, is a.
Actually I heard that's whyColumbia got mad at us too,
because we were sending them inmilitary vehicles, which is also
a different thing.
It's one thing to send somebodyon a commercial plane and

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you're deporting people back.
It's another thing to do itfrom military planes at like
eight hundred thousand dollars aflight and stuff like that.
You know, yeah, it just uh.
Anyway, I don't.
We have, you know, our own iceraids here.
Uh, you know flavor flave I sawcame out because god loves
selena gomez.
She got on and she's just beinghonest and and just being

(47:31):
honest, honest and just bawlingabout what we were just talking
about with Andrew and peoplejust jump on them online and
it's just.
I'm sure people will jump on meand us online and it's, you
know, I think.
I think people are better thanthat and I know it's hard, but I
do think people are better thanthat.

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I think the internet's ahorrible place.
We're here to try to make it alittle bit better, rather than
you know, in any way we can,because it's got to be used.
Where's my phone?
It's.
Oh.
Yeah, it's being used.
The little box has to be usedfor good.
It can't be all bad, it cannotbe.
So.
We got to use this little boxfor good and the internet for
good.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I need to stay off the box, because these videos
are devastatingly heartbreakingthat I've been seeing the last
24 hours.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
But on another level, though, how are you going to
know about tuberculosis breakingout with your?
Neighbor having it.
I'm not, you're going to haveto get it off of TikTok, the
Chinese server.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Something.
Well, it's not going to comefrom Medicaid or the CDC or any
source of government or the WHO.
Yeah, WHO doesn't exist anymore.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You know.
So when dread gets you knowwhen sort of doom scrolling gets
too much.
Did you hear it's a new segmentwe're trying to introduce
called.
Did you Hear Right?
It's not new segment we'retrying to introduce called.
Did you Hear Right?
It's not all that original.
But what is original?
Cyber spiritualism and the darkside of scams.
I didn't know about cyberspiritualism.

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Nigerian scammers from theYahoo Boys Tell me about it.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Okay, so this is something I've known about for a
long time.
Obviously, I work in thecontinent heavily and friends of
mine will send me texts fromNigerian numbers and I'm like
okay like this is a cyber scam.
Now the combination also.
There's a lot of voodoo andspiritual you know stuff going

(49:26):
on in this realm, but I hadn'tput the two together.
So that's what's crazy aboutthis story.
So there's the Yahoo Boys,which is this group of scammers.
They also call them the 419scammers, which is basically
like the code of law thatthey're breaking.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
It's the 419 in Nigeria, right.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
So basically they contact the victims, they send
them some opportunity.
You have to send like 20 bucksin and then you'll get 150 for
something.
Then, all of a sudden,something goes wrong and they
need 20 more dollars.
It's like you know it's just awhole fucking scheme.
But what's getting crazy now?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
is that Sort of like presidential Bibles and $100,000
watches.
But I digress, go ahead.
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
But oh, crypto, yeah, the DJTcoin.
What makes?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
this unique is that they're incorporating spiritual
and supernatural rituals intothe operations known as Yahoo
Plus.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Ooh, you're bringing voodoo into it.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yes, it's a good sell , and these scams are blending
traditional fraud tactics likephishing and romance fraud, but
what's happening is they'redoing human sacrificing, oh wow.
And they're taking organs, butwhat's happening is they're
doing human sacrificing.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Oh, wow, and they're taking organs.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
And so what's happening is these you know
black magic.
You know leaders are saying, oh, you need an arm and you need a
foot from somebody.
Wow, and that's going to helptheir scams work better.
Wow, and we, you know we dealwith black magic all the time.
I mean so in the villages that Iwork, I make friends with all

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the witch doctors.
Most people are scared of them,or you're either scared of them
or you're like totally into itand you believe everything.
But a lot of people are scaredand throughout Africa we still
believe that a witch doctor cankill somebody, save somebody.
It's very, very, very popular.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Does a witch doctor have TikTok?
Probably not.
No, none of the ones I know,none of the ones you know, have
TikTok.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
See, I was going to say I'm thinking about my guy
Monday, right now.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yeah, his phone barely works, but you know, yeah
, like he does some funky stuff.
But you know, I just go hangout with him and try to be on
his good side.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
That's what I'm saying Because I definitely
don't want any of my body partsmissing.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
No no, no.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
But you know, it's just crazy the level of scamming
and the craziness with all thisblack magic that's involved in
it.
Yeah so yeah, really reallyinteresting stuff.
Please stay away from scamming.
It's not just Nigeria justputting that out there.
But please be aware of scams,because they're getting pretty
crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Now we're going to have to get into the witch
doctor thing.
I just learned that about you.
You've been hanging out.
Do you want me to?
Yeah, I'll get an interviewAnother time.
Yeah, okay, you heard it here.
You heard it here.
You want an interview with awitch doctor?
Let's interview a witch doctoron Slap the Power.
Oh my God, oh my God, you canget here on Slap the Power.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, that is amazing andthat's going to do it for this
week.
Heck of a show.
I'm really stoked.
Special shout-out again toAndrew Robertson for gracing us,
as always, with his presence.
And, before we head out, if youget a chance, if you have

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