In this powerful episode of Small Business Pivots, mental health advocate and nonprofit founder Stacee Goetzinger shares her life journey navigating anxiety, depression, anorexia, self-harm, and borderline personality disorder—while also running a business and helping others do the same.
Forget the polished success stories. Stacee offers something different: raw honesty from the middle of the battle, not just the other side. For small business owners juggling leadership with hidden struggles, this episode sheds light on how embracing vulnerability can lead to stronger leadership, healthier teams, and more connected workplaces.
You’ll learn:
- Why so many entrepreneurs suffer in silence—and how to break that cycle
- How to lead a business without pretending to have it all together
- Why mental health support in the workplace is critical to team performance
- How to turn personal pain into purpose, and lead with authenticity
- Simple first steps business owners can take to protect their mental wellness
Whether you're facing burnout, emotional exhaustion, or just trying to support others better, this conversation is a must-listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome to another Small Business Pivots.
Today we're going to go alittle bit different direction.
We usually hit on topics ofmarketing, sales, scaling a
business, but I really wasfascinated with this guest today
that I've heard speak before,because a lot of business owners
are dealing with thingsinternally that we don't like to
(00:21):
share, because we have thispersona that we have to carry.
We don't want to feel like orlook like an imposter syndrome.
So today our guest is closewithin our headquarters in
Oklahoma, and so I know thatbusiness owners can only say
their name like they want it tobe said.
So I'm going to let youintroduce yourself, as I always
(00:42):
do, and just tell us a littlebit about you.
We'll introduce the show andthen we'll get into the meat of
the subject.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, well, my name is Stacey Getzinger and we get all
over the spectrum for that lastname.
The other day I bet StaceyGunslinger and I was like, okay,
we can go with that, that's notmy name, but okay.
But I am the co-founder andpresident of Speak Out Loud and
we are a nonprofit organization.
(01:10):
We're relatively new tononprofit, however.
We have been a thing for abouteight years now.
So, anyway, thank you so muchfor inviting me to be on with
you today, michael.
This is a privilege.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
My pleasure.
Well, let's introduce the showand we'll get right back and
help our listeners today.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Sounds great.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Welcome to Small Business Pivots, a podcast
produced for small businessowners.
I'm your host, michael Morrison, founder and CEO of BOSS, where
we make business ownershipsimplified for success.
Our business is helping yoursgrow.
Boss offers business loans withbusiness coaching support.
(01:53):
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All right, welcome back to SmallBusiness Pivot Stacy.
We have a lot to talk about.
I know a lot of small businessowners struggle In fact, the
(02:15):
whole population struggles fromtime to time with depression and
mental health.
But we're really focused on thesmall business owners because,
like I said, we have this facadethat we're trying to live and
we have to be this powerful orknow what we're doing in
business and our team looks upto us.
But I know deep inside you knowdeep inside when we go home at
(02:35):
night, we don't feel that partthat we are supposed to play
during the day, and so I'mhoping to help them today.
Is there anywhere particularyou just want to dive in that
you feel like would help ourlisteners today?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Absolutely, michael.
I think one of the biggestthings is when I go to speak,
share a story, anything likethat, no matter if it's to
executives or to a fraternitysorority or to a church
community one-on-one people will, overwhelmingly, when I ask
this question, right when Istand up I will say who in here
(03:10):
has someone who struggles intheir lives with mental illness,
whether it be you or someoneelse.
Usually I keep that broad sothat they're not having to feel
on the spot in that moment,because usually when people come
into that setting they're notexpecting to hear someone say
anything that is that personal,or to ask that question and
(03:30):
hands down.
Almost well, I would say 95% ofthe people raise their hand and
they will say they'll kind ofgo, you know, they'll make a
conversation out of it a littlebit and say, oh, my nephew, my
niece, but the hands go up andpeople immediately know that
this is going to be a differentkind of talk at their business
(03:50):
or in whoever has been invitedto join us that day.
So it's we feel like and we'veobserved and we have stats that
say depression, mental illness,mental health has been at the
surface for a long time.
When COVID came, it exploded,so now the things that were able
(04:11):
to be kept at bay are no longerable to be kept at bay.
People are swimming in it atthis point, and so that's where
we have found an audience.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Do you think COVID helped audience?
Do you think COVID helped?
And what I mean by that isbecause before it kind of or I
guess COVID kind of exposed it,if you will, to kind of make it
more okay to talk about it.
I mean, what have you seenbefore COVID and after?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Before people were dealing with it alone.
With COVID, people said I havea problem or I know someone who
does, because they are not okay,whether it be the isolation,
the lack of community, whateverit may have been.
That was a huge shift.
So many people of course workfrom you know virtually now, but
(05:00):
some people just really havemissed going back into the
office and being in a settingwith other people and that made
it kind of pop.
So since COVID we have seenthat people cannot not talk
about it to someone.
Counselors have lines, peoplewho are calling in to say can I
get on your list?
(05:21):
Even OU Medical Center forChildren this was true at least
a year ago they had a waitinglist for children, so that
starts at about six years old intheir children.
That was over a year longwaiting to get in for mental
help, but mostly inpatient.
So they have had thisresponsibility of choosing who
(05:46):
might be in more dire need thansomeone else, and as humans
we're not designed to do that.
So it's been really toxic, it'sreally shown up and we're
seeing that in suicide rate.
We're seeing that in suicideideation, we're seeing that show
in self-harm, false attempts,attempts that weren't supposed
(06:10):
to work, that did and people arejust crying out and it's really
hard to see that happen becauseit's like if you've ever been
with someone who you see that iscrying with tears but they
can't make a sound.
That's almost like what we'redealing with.
They are too, it's too deep.
They don't know how to expressit anymore, other than to just
(06:31):
cry out and just say, when theyfinally can help, just that one
word I need help.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I know for a lot of people they're embarrassed and a
lot of people hear people giveinsights or direction or some
tips.
But you have a story yourself.
If you wouldn't mind sharingjust a little bit of that so
that people can say okay, sheunderstands.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Sure.
Well, our mission with SpeakOut Loud is this is to speak
hope and light into the darknessof mental illness, mental
health, and support those whoeither suffer themselves or who
are loving and supportingsomeone who does struggle.
Well, that came out, that wasborn out of us, my husband and I
(07:18):
dealing with mental illness forme for over 35 years now.
My story is not one of.
This is where I was, and nowI'm better, and now we speak out
of that better.
Honestly, the shame kept usisolated, kept me isolated for
about 16 years because I am aChristian and often in the
(07:41):
Christian realm, that is notaccepted.
I think we've come a long wayin our churches.
Churches are meant to behospitals, and if you are lonely
at church, that's not supposedto happen, but it does, and so
what we really want to do isjust go.
This is where we are.
We're going to speak out of themiddle, because I still deal
with it.
Largely, people are like you,don't look like you do, but you
(08:06):
have no idea what I go throughin order to get to that point,
to where I can share our story,because it's still something we
are really trying to trudgethrough.
However, we find a lot of hopein it.
So, really, where it began mydad was a minister when I was
growing up and we had to presentin a certain way and that was
(08:26):
very, very known at that time.
I think things have become morevulnerable, but we've got a
long way to go.
Same with people who own abusiness you have a certain way
you want to present and whenthat is not happening, there's a
lot of insecurity that can comeout and your people can sense
that.
Well, it's at that point oftenwhere the conversation can start
(08:49):
, because if the head person issaying this is an issue for me
or showing that it's an issuefor them, then it becomes like
okay, this is a real thing thatwe're going to have to address
in the people in the communitythat we spend most of our time
in.
So that's often our work day.
So for me, like I said,minister's family, we presented
(09:11):
well, never had a problem.
However, behind closed doors wehad big problems.
So there was a lot of anger.
There was a lot of verbal,emotional, mental abuse going on
, some physical and when we leftour home that was to be left
back at home, when we would getaround people that was not to
(09:34):
show.
So we were wounded and we werewalking around as if we had it
all together.
That can only be sustainablefor a certain amount of time.
My parents had marital problems.
After 25 years of marriage anda lot, a lot of dysfunction, my
parents got divorced.
So we moved 13 times.
(09:54):
When I was growing up Peopleoften ask oh, y'all were
military.
No, we were just disgruntled inthe ministry, I feel like the
better way for us to describe it.
And when my parents gotdivorced, I had been really an
emotional support for my dad andso my dad left.
My mom was in, my sister was incollege.
(10:17):
She had been through it as well.
But when my parents divorced itwas my third time to move my
senior year, and so I had beenan avid tennis player.
I had done well in school.
Considering we'd moved 13 times, it's kind of hard to not pick
up and leave off and not get aneducation, but I was about to
(10:40):
flunk out of high school, quitehonestly, so I didn't accept the
tennis scholarships that wereoffered.
I knew when my parents gotdivorced that my mom needed
support 24-7.
So we moved to Dallas, texas,where we had some family and we
leaned into them and we movedinto a Section 8 apartment after
(11:01):
being in the ministry and notmaking a lot, but we also had
sustainable life for a certainamount of time.
So my mom and I moved.
She could not hold down a job.
Deep, deep depression.
Had already had a couple ofsuicide attempts when I was in
high school.
And there we were in Dallas andI started getting jobs, working
(11:25):
30, 40 hours a week and goingto school.
So school suffered greatly, gotinto college because I literally
went to the college on seniorskip day and I went to the
college the Dallas BaptistUniversity with a lot of friends
for senior skip day got in thedoor.
None of them went to thatuniversity but I stayed when
(11:47):
they left and I said to theadmissions counselor I said I
have nothing, I have zero money,but I'm willing to work and I'm
willing to do pretty much anyjob on campus because I didn't
have a part.
So that work as it began really, other than in sports, it began
in my daily life.
I worked three jobs and took 18hours at a time, typically
(12:10):
because I didn't want anybody totell me I had to leave and not
have an education.
I, that was where my insecuritycame out because I really didn't
want, a like I said, foranybody to tell me I needed to
move or I couldn't stay at thatschool, and b I wanted it to be
able to be like I am an asset tothis university, so please keep
(12:33):
me, because this is what I haveto offer so that I can get my
education, so that I have moreto offer beyond university life.
So that's kind of what what Idid.
And, uh, I met my wonderfulhusband in college and we got
married quickly.
After marriage, I had amiscarriage that was late.
(12:54):
It was late miscarriage, so Ihad to have two surgeries and
that's how we began our marriage.
So it's just been.
It's been not just a rollercoaster.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's like you're sitting backwards in a roller
coaster and just going don'ttell me what's next, because I
know I can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I'm just going to hold on tight for a certain
amount of time and then afterthat we'll have to see what
happens.
So that was our beginning.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, I know we're on about episode 100 of podcast
currently and I would say almosttwo thirds of the business
owners we've spoken with becausethat's who?
Because now there's a definiteconnection of what you have to
share next, which is talkingabout living in our purpose and
kind of some things that you cansuggest coming from your
(13:58):
experience of how you can helppeople, or how people can at
least help themselves and knowwhere to start to help.
So can you kind of expand onthat a little bit?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, for years I didn't think I had one.
I thought I was just merelygoing to be here to exist
because of the diagnosis thatI'd been given over the years.
And when the girls, we hadended up having two beautiful
redheaded little girls and wewere in the ministry and that
was all too familiar to me.
(14:30):
So that was about an 11 yearjourney for us because I got too
low, too down.
I couldn't.
When you're working with thatmany people, it's really hard to
please everybody, and that wasmy goal, and that can't be your
goal in life.
It's really hard to pleaseeverybody and that was my goal,
and that can't be your goal inlife.
It doesn't work.
And so we needed to leave theministry.
(14:50):
But before we did, I had anervous breakdown.
The girls were five and sevenand a half eight, and that was
very difficult.
Working with that many peopleand all the triggers that were
happening that reminded me of mypast was only sustainable for a
certain amount of time, and so,within the ministry, I did have
that nervous breakdown.
(15:11):
I needed to go inpatient.
I had been mismedicated not anadvocate for medication.
However, at this point it doeshelp keep me here so that I can
take the edge off so that I caneven function in life, and we
can talk more about that in alittle bit, if that's okay.
But really, after that happened,one of my diagnosis is well,
(15:31):
let me just tell you what mydiagnoses are, so that that way
people kind of know what you'redealing with and that way they
can pray me through this.
Because when I tell you whatall of them are, you might go
what and why are you here?
But one is anxiety.
That is a word that can beoverused.
Now my daughter teaches sixthgrade and the kids are like I'm
so anxious and she will offer tothem what if you're just
(15:55):
excited?
And so because it's become sucha word that can be overused.
The second thing would be deepdepression.
It's deep.
We thought maybe this will bejust situational, maybe when we
get out of the ministry I won'thave that deep depression.
Maybe it's um seasonal,situational, and we've seen that
(16:16):
it is absolutely not thosethings.
I have a lot of joy because ofmy life, but that depression is
always hovering, and sometimesit is an umbrella rather than
hovering.
And so then the next thing isthe next ones are very humbling
and a little bit I reallystruggle with, but I do talk
(16:38):
about it, is self-harm.
I'm an adult who has struggledwith self-harm.
I've been asked to go to youthcamp with churches and
everything in order to help themidentify who might be on the
edge of suicide.
And a lot of times thatself-harm can be the scream
before the action, the finalaction.
So I've helped identify peoplewith that and just inquired more
(17:02):
about that so that that waythey can see an LPC, get
hospitalized, whatever may beneeded.
And one is borderlinepersonality disorder and that is
being talked about a little bitmore.
Along the lines of our story andpurpose was that 10 years ago
(17:28):
of our story and purpose wasthat 10 years ago I got too sick
after I got out of having beingmental in a mental institution
when the girls were little likeI referred to anorexia that had
been underlying in college andin growing up with that being
skinny and the persona that weneeded to carry really showed up
in college.
Then with the loss of our son,and then it was waiting for me
(17:49):
after the nervous breakdown.
Right when I got out it wasjust like can't eat.
I was really struggling withemotions.
Yes, I was getting stabilizedon medication, but it was right
there waiting for me once again.
And so 10 years ago I justcelebrated 10 years of being
home.
I went to inpatient.
(18:11):
Anorexia is considered to bethe final thing that I struggle
with, is probably one of themost difficult things, because
it's medicine, food is medicineand when you're not medicating
yourself with food it's reallydifficult to deal with the other
things, the other diagnoses.
So I was in a wheelchair atthat point, malnourished, went
(18:33):
inpatient.
After taking our oldest daughterto college that same day, that
freshman year, where she knew noone, we left her there and all
the moms were helping move inand I just sat on the bed
because I had no energy.
That was a big, big eye openerfor me.
(18:56):
Then the next day, we took ouryoungest daughter to being a
sophomore in high school,youngest daughter to being a
sophomore in high school.
And my way to get intoinpatient treatment was supposed
to be a couple of months andthey said you have a couple of
days to get here.
So said bye to the girls, criedall the way, so did my husband
(19:18):
to Tulsa, where I was admittedinto Laurier Hospital, thought I
was going to be there for sixweeks total and I was in ICU for
seven weeks before I could evenenter the program.
So that was hard.
That's where we realized we weremore than in a crisis situation
(19:39):
and that's really where I gotmy life.
I got my life not back back butstart of life, with nutrition
and finding my purpose in thislife.
It was never what I thought.
My triple major in college withmy three jobs was a secondary
education.
(20:00):
I wanted to teach inner cityand I did for a while there in
Dallas.
It was secondary education,english and Spanish and so I
thought that was going to be meliving out my purpose in life
and that that was what it wasgoing to look like getting to be
with inner city kids and letthem find their purpose so that
they did not continue in thatlifespan of crime, that they
(20:23):
didn't continue in that lifespanof drugs and just the legacy
that a lot of their parents wereliving in.
We wanted theirs to bedifferent.
And then, when I was too sick, Icouldn't continue that.
In Laureate it was very much, Idon't know.
(20:46):
I felt more understood than Iever had in my whole life, but I
was missing my familydesperately in these new pivots
in their life and when you gointo a mental hospital.
You don't realize it possiblyat the beginning, but they take
your phone, they take your razor, they take anything that you
could.
Your shoelaces are out of yourshoes and there's, you know,
(21:09):
electric tape put on there sothat you won't hurt yourself.
Because in both of thosesettings that's mental hospital.
And it was very scary for me atfirst.
After I had been there for alittle while, I'd earned things
back because I was verycompliant.
And this is why I'd earn thingsback, because I was very
compliant, and this is why Oneof the biggest parts of this
(21:38):
pivot in our life was that myhusband and I the divorce rates
very high for mental illness.
People get scared, they getexhausted and they run out of
what they need in order to helpsupport someone, and they're the
ones who end up needing thesupport.
So I enrolled through thosedoors of the ICU and on the
counter there in the nurse'sstation was a couple of dozen
(22:01):
beautiful, beautiful roses insomething plastic, because they
don't want you to hurt yourselfwith the glass and that would
have been something I would havedone, without a doubt.
And as I was rolled through,the nurse came over to me and
she said these are for you.
And I said, really, I just gothere, I wasn't expecting
anything.
(22:22):
And the nurse said I thinkthey're from your husband.
And I went and read the littlecard that it comes from and it
was in Doug's handwriting and hesaid Stacy, you can do this,
make this work, we need this towork.
And I knew that at that point Iwasn't going to give myself an
(22:43):
option to not fight.
And that's where the journeybegan really for us, because
there were people checkingthemselves out all the time.
I went in willingly.
I'm not going to fight mydoctors and what I knew I needed
.
I just thought when I got inthere I'm not going to need this
as bad as they think I am, so Iwon't be here long.
(23:04):
And I took that as Doug sayingwe need this to work, we need
this to happen.
Our family does.
We've been through it all.
I was a sick mom raising twodaughters.
I was sick all threepregnancies with anorexia.
That's one of the reasons welost our son.
If you're not nourishingyourself, you can't nourish a
baby.
(23:24):
By God's grace, we had tworedheaded daughters, like I've
referred to, and they came outpink and perfect.
That's a miracle.
Those both, those.
Both of those girls are amiracle, but that's who I fought
for when I was in there andwith anything in life, if it's
really going to matter whetherit be business, home, community,
(23:47):
whatever it's going to looklike it's probably going to
entail doing hard things thatare unnatural for you.
The most unnatural thing for meat that point was eating and I
ate over 500 meals there and Iwas there five months instead of
six weeks and those women werethe biggest fighters and a lot
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of them now have opened theirown businesses because they're
alive and they know what it'slike to feel dead and it was
very motivating to be there.
The rest of the journey beganreally when I got home, because
I didn't have thataccountability as much.
I had a huge support team,which is so important in
anything we do in life.
If you don't have a goodsupport team who's going to be
(24:32):
around you and provide thataccountability for you and speak
into your life in business andyou feel like you're above that
reproach, that's going to takeabout that long for that to go
under in my experience.
We need people around us whoare going to be honest with us
and are going to do the hardthings with us that can hold us
(24:55):
to the same standard that we aresetting for other people.
I wanted to be able to leave alegacy and live in a legacy for
our daughters.
Before I even startednon-profit work, that was
leading by example and sayingyou can do hard things and I'm
gonna make it because I want youto know that when hard things
(25:16):
come up in your life, personalbusiness, anything that you can
do it.
And this is why I'm gonna leadby example.
That's why and there's thehardest things I've ever done in
coming home and being home andnot having to go back and forth
to the hospital has beendevastatingly difficult.
But here we are.
So that's where we are rightnow.
(25:39):
There have been pivots, therehave been reasons why that God
wants this to be my purpose andthat is because when I speak
about it, it reminds me that Ihave to do this with integrity
or I better step aside.
So the purpose came out of myverse, psalm 118, 17.
(26:00):
I will not die, but live andproclaim what the Lord has done.
And I know that is so short, Iknow that is such a brief verse,
but, gosh, it's powerful.
It's got a punch that keeps meon my toes all day, every day.
First of all, it says I will notdie.
Even as I'm speaking to youright now, michael, my mind is
(26:20):
screaming.
What do you possibly have tooffer businessmen, businesswomen
, people who are doing startups,people who are for non-profits?
I will not die.
Well, that's because myidentity can't be in what my
mind is saying for me to do.
My mind says the opposite, so Ido the opposite all day, every
(26:43):
day, to the best of my ability.
Then it says but live, so I'mnot just going to exist in my
office and hang out in my houseand become more and more
depressed every day.
Choose to self-harm out of thatdepression.
Be anxious, because myhusband's going to come home and
see the self-harm and theborderline personality disorder.
(27:06):
That says do not communicatewith people, do not have
relationships, because they'regoing to be profoundly more
difficult than it is for otherpeople because they may not have
borderline personality disorderand, by the way, eat.
So the final part of that verseis proclaim what the Lord has
(27:27):
done.
And that's where our nonprofitwas birthed, because I thought
it's not enough for me to tellmyself these things.
But when I get on a stage, whenI get on a podcast.
When I'm doing life withsomebody who is desperate, I
better know that I'm going toneed to talk about where I've
(27:48):
been, where we are and the factthat we don't know what the
future holds, but we're going tobe okay.
I have to take that element ofpossibility out of my life of
saying today I'm not going tochoose life, because when I
don't choose life, myalternative is to take my life
(28:10):
with suicide ideation constantlythere.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I know a lot of business owners.
When they come to us, they askthings like do you hold your
clients accountable?
We're business coaches and thisall makes a little sense now
from hearing some of thestruggles, trials, tribulations
that they've mentioned along theway, because they always say I
(28:38):
don't want someone that justagrees with me, I want someone
to hold me accountable, which iskind of like what you were
referring to, which is a supportgroup.
Which is a support group.
So how does one find a supportgroup that is struggling?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Because it sounds like that's possibly the key to
get started.
It really is, I think.
Anytime that someone walks intoa possible job situation
nowadays, I think they reallywant to hear that we care about
you, not just what you have tooffer us, but we care about you
as a whole person.
And when you say that nowpeople get relief instead of
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fear of when I start to play outmy life in front of you, what's
that going to look like?
Because sometimes I can't holdback the anxiety, sometimes I
can't hold back the things thatare very, very difficult for me.
So to offer space for there tobe a counseling counselor or
that you know that they may needto take a little time for
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counseling, immediately lowersthat anxiety for the person.
So they perform better thanever.
So we have found that when wespeak into corporations, when we
speak into companies and we sayyou know what, it's not a
weakness to go to see acounselor, it's a strength that
their longevity in the person'semployment grows because they
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know that they are not expectedto be on constantly.
Are you?
I'm not, I'm not constantly on.
And when we are, a lot of thatcan come out and it can show
itself in many different wayswithin a setting of a company.
So we want there to be lessabsences or absent days.
We want there to be qualitywhen that person does take a
(30:28):
personal day.
So we open up that doorimmediately to say we realize
we're all people working in thiscompany and, while we don't
want you to abuse this situation, we want you to realize that we
want to speak into the wholeperson, because when you're not
taking care of yourself, thenwhat productivity are you going
to have to offer us?
Well, not much.
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Then what productivity are yougoing to have to offer us?
Well, not much.
And if so, it's not going to bea long-term situation for that
person.
In the day and time that we nowlive in, the stress level is off
the charts.
The world's uncertainty withpolitical things that I will
never talk in public about, butjust the things that are going
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on in our world today.
We can't walk into our officesand act like and be like that.
That is not affecting us all.
Does that mean we need to sitwith our co-workers and shoot
the breeze about this all day?
Absolutely not.
We have a purpose in ourbusiness.
We have a purpose for ourcompany.
We have things that we want toshow, to bring to that company.
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But when the company makes itclear that they are going to
take care or realize that you'rea whole person, that those
things need to work together,counseling never needs to be off
the table and also just thatgroup work that needs to happen.
And there are many, many inOklahoma, oklahoma City, that
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are outpatient, that are onehour an evening and they're just
excellent so that that way whenthey're not working they can
also be taking care ofthemselves.
And you see the result of thatwhen they do show up for work,
because you want that greatattendance among your people and
not for them to eventuallyexplode and then have to take
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off three months to get theirlife back to where they can be
someone who is going to addprofit and they're going to add
their talents and gifts to youroffice space.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
For the business owners who have never reached
out for help or mentionedanything to anyone.
What would you suggest as kindof a first step and, first of
all, kind of diagnosing maybe,what level or what degree of
maybe some anxiousness ordepression that I have, because
I'm sure there's differentlevels.
(32:46):
So where would one startmentally thinking like maybe I
should reach out or maybe I cantry this?
Are there any insights that youcan give on that?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Sure, like when you say you are the boss, say that
you are the CEO, coo.
You are realizing that in thisworld, in this environment, now
that you are beginning to slipand struggle on performance,
focus anything like that yourleadership skills may be sliding
.
You yourself can go in and getcounseling, and counselors are
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available after work hours.
A lot of them that's their maintime to counsel is after six
o'clock, seven o'clock.
If you sense that in yourself,lead by example, go ahead and
get that help that you need andsay, hey, you know what?
I know people may consider thisa weakness, but it's really
proven to be a strength in mylife for me to get the help that
(33:44):
I need to lower that anxiety,lower that stress, so that when
I come to you I can offer you mybest.
But I want you to know how I'mdoing that.
I am getting that extra help.
That has made me stronger as aperson and that's why we have
Speak Out Loud, as our ownnonprofit is just to be able to
start that conversation and letyou know that it has not been
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explosive, it's not beenself-imploding either.
It's been a stepping up to thetable and just going.
You know what I'm a human being.
There are a lot of cells up here.
I live with a lot of stress, andso I just want you to know, in
the most natural way that I can,sometimes I need to seek help
outside of these four walls inorder to bring my best, in order
(34:28):
to be able to be the personthat is approachable, the person
who isn't scared to death ofthe future, of what we're
looking at and what we couldpossibly or not, but lead by
example in that situation andtell the benefits of it, not
just like well, I went tocounseling and the first time I
went it didn't work.
(34:51):
In businesses, when we arelooking for our purpose in that
business, the most effectivebusinesses are usually people
working in their purpose, and soif you want to really be able
to do that and work in that area, then the chances are of you
needing to get help yourself arevery high, and at first, when
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you offer it, your people maylook at you and just go oh, oh,
no, this is our leader, but whenthey see the benefit of it I've
been going for a month whathave you noticed in my
productivity?
My productivity, it's gone up,hasn't it?
Because I have someone I cantalk to, that is unbiased within
this company, and they can pourinto my life, so that that way
(35:33):
you see the overflow of thatinstead of me depleting you
within these working hours ofour day.
Lead by example.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Absolutely.
I know I've reached out forhelp many times and I highly
encourage every business ownerto do that, whether it be a
mentor, a coach, a consultant ora therapist or counselor.
The list goes on and on.
I've reached out to all of thembefore.
(36:04):
So not at the same time, butjust throughout the years, and I
know that it makes a bigdifference Not at the same time,
but just throughout the years,and I know that it makes a big
difference and so I encourageeveryone to at least take that
first step, even if you'refeeling a little self-doubt,
because it really does make adifference just to explore with
someone that knows how to helpyou and be a sounding board.
What does your organization doso we can let people know how
(36:29):
you can help them.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Absolutely so.
We offer several things.
So something that I always wantto emphasize, and my husband
and I always want to emphasize,is we are not professional LPCs,
we are not counselors.
We go to them, but what we dooffer is our experience for the
last 35 years.
I can remember when I was even alittle girl and I would get in
(36:55):
bed with my sister because theday had been so overwhelming.
And back in the day we wouldjust say you're just a worrywart
, you're paranoid.
But now what we call it isanxiety, and I was experiencing
that as a very little girl and Iwould get in bed with my sister
and I would just say can youhelp me understand today?
Can you help me know what wenton today?
I'm so scared I would use thatword instead of anxious.
(37:19):
And so now we see those wordsmore come to fruition as a
diagnosis, instead of it beingjust, like you know, blown off.
And so that's also when westarted realizing that I had
issues with relationships, inthat I didn't want to be left in
(37:40):
those.
So the rejection, theabandonment, which eventually
did happen in our lives it wasjust a slow tick until it did
happen are now titled, they nowhave words to them, and so.
So that's what we want to do.
We want to always keep thatdoor open and let people know
what we do have to offer,michael, to your question, that
(38:02):
is, that we want to let peopleknow that we have struggled with
since I was a little bitty girl.
Then we offer so that's 65 thatwe offer of the podcast and
(38:31):
that's a whole library that youcan pull from on Doug saying
this is what this looked likefrom my view, and me speaking
into it of this is what myemotions were doing in that
situation.
So that that way, way you know,as the person who listens that
says I'm the one who struggles,I'm the one who's suffering so
much, but I don't know how toexplain it.
What do I need?
If I knew, I would tell you.
And then Doug speaks into it assomeone who has been with me
(38:52):
and doesn't call himself acaretaker.
He calls himself it's aprivilege to be walking this
journey with you and that's howwe run everything.
We run everything, not poorStacey, but look how we can
speak into your life, and I heala little bit more every time we
get to do that.
Then the next thing we offer isspeaking.
(39:12):
Doug speaks, sometimes alone.
We speak together.
I'm the one who speaks the mostbecause I'm the one who's
dealing with it, and then he'llcome to the Q&A and swing around
and go.
This is what we thought we werelooking at and this is how
wrong we were.
So that's kind of how thatworks with that one.
And then I've written two books.
The first book is called youAre Worth Saving, because I was
(39:37):
concerned about everybody elseand not me, and I was the one
who became depleted and a friendsaid to me on the back porch of
a house in Seaside, florida,stacy, you are worth saving.
And I was in the hospitalwithin two, three days later
because she said those words tome.
The second book is called theBoat that Wouldn't Sink and it's
(39:57):
a memoir and it comes from apicture that I had in my mind
when I was a little girl.
That came from a painting thatwe had hanging on our wall.
That basically helped us getthrough, when my dad made a
tornado through the house andgone on to church to be able to
minister to other people and wewere a wreck.
(40:19):
So that's what that book comesfrom.
It's very specific.
It tells what other people cando when they're doing life with
someone that speaks into my lifeor people similar to me, and
how they can validate that thatperson should still be here and
not hide, and how they canvalidate that that person should
still be here and not hide.
(40:39):
It's a book that is.
Neither one of my books aresuper long, because people who
read the books that we have tooffer need an answer and they
don't want to read somethingthat is fiction for days and
days before they can get to alittle bit of hope and a little
bit of help.
People who read these books arepeople who also are going.
(41:01):
Can you just provide even alittle bit of what you're
thinking so that that way, whenI'm asking my son or daughter,
that way when I'm asking myspouse if they can support me in
any way, they have a clue how?
So I do write on cutting I.
It's not a how-to within thesetwo books because, um,
(41:22):
publishers have dropped mebecause I wouldn't go deeper
into that.
But there are dark sides peoplecan go to and I won't want I
don't want to be one of them.
I want to provide hope in thatway and so sometimes people
don't like that when they've setoffers us a book deal and
they'll say, oh, you speak oncutting.
You talk about cutting.
I'm like, yeah, but it's nothow to.
It's what we've done in orderto make it to the next step, to
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the next morning.
And then we also write for youversion Bible app.
I don't know if you've seenthat before.
You've seen it, michael Good.
It's a worldwide app and wewrite on mental illness.
Our plan is actually calledhope for those struggling with
mental illness.
(42:06):
It's that simple so that thatway people can just look up hope
, mental illness, health, andwe'll pop up.
And so we write for them.
And our plan has gotten eveninto China, which is a closed
country, and it is spreading.
How does that happen?
Word of mouth, because you kindof get one shot to get into
(42:29):
places like China.
We have gotten it translatedinto several languages.
Korean has been the hardest.
They said with our Korean planthat there are cuss words in it,
and we don't know how, becausethe people that we offer we pay
people to translate for us.
We want it in street language,not only classical language.
(42:51):
We don't want people talking tous.
That is the Taoist we want.
Hey, what's going on?
And so that's what we pay forthe translation to happen, and
so we are in Portuguese, spanish, english, chinese and we're
just growing from there and wehave been invited to write many
(43:11):
more plans with YouVersion.
So if you would go on and lookup Bible app, youversion Bible
app, and search for those wordswhere Doug and Stacey gets in
and that pops up, but those arethe things that we have to offer
people, even in corporate thesector, especially in that
(43:39):
sector, but also in churches andjust different community groups
, where we see the nods and thetears, sometimes even with grown
men that are finally feelingheard and they can identify with
somebody that is going throughit right now, in the here and
now.
It's all worth it.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's all worth it well, you're, you're doing
amazing things, you and yourhusband is there a specific
place they can go to.
I know you mentioned youversion, but a website or
something to get some moreinformation sure, on youtube.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
we've just now started going live with our
content.
It's every Monday night CT, youknow, standard time, or, yeah,
central standard time yeah.
We are there every Monday nightat seven o'clock live, and we're
new and we have already lovedit.
(44:36):
And we're new and we havealready loved it.
Then everything else isspeakoutloudme, and that's where
you can find everything else.
Our website has just beenupdated.
We've had a website for a longtime and we keep it updated with
what's going on, and now I do avideo introduction to that so
that you can see that I am aperson who is going through this
(45:00):
, and so that's how you can findus.
Those are all of ourspeakoutloudme.
And then I do want to clarifyon YouTube.
Sorry, michael, atspeakoutloudme is YouTube.
At speakoutloudme, everythingelse is the same.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
And we'll get all that in the show notes for those
searching for it, the youversion.
You will not have a problemfinding that.
It is worldwide.
So it's the first thing thatthat is a big honor.
So well, you're a blessing tomany.
But I always ask usually I'llask do you have any final words
(45:42):
of wisdom or something that'sapplicable to every business
owner?
But do you have any words ofwisdom for anyone?
Just what is that?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah.
So I want you to know that, nomatter what your situation is,
whether your business is sinkingor swimming, that you are made
for a purpose and that if youwant to ever know that purpose,
just ask God to show you whatthat is.
What do you love doing?
(46:13):
What is something that you feellike you can pour into people,
even a little bit?
And people know when you loveyour job.
People know when you have thatyou are tuned into what they can
do in order to be successful intheir job under you a team
(46:36):
member, a teammate, anythinglike that.
I also want to say that justbecause you are the head of a
corporation, just because youare head of a business, no
matter what size it is, it doesnot mean you have to have it all
together.
That used to be the only way topresent, and now I feel like we
have come a long way and wehave a long way to go, but you
(47:00):
do not.
One of the most comfortablesituations I'm in when it comes
to me being with someone that wehave hired to be a part of our
Speak Out Loud team is when Isay I don't know what to do in
this situation.
Would you please speak intothis and let's formulate
something together.
Of course, I'm going to havethe final say in it, but I need
(47:23):
the people that I have around meare people who I know will
represent, speak Out Loud in thebest way, and that they will
take it in and learn what we'rereally about so that that way,
when they're not with us, theycan represent us well.
The other thing I would say isa lot of you who are listening
(47:48):
may be at a point where you feellike you are just beat, you are
just exhausted, and I want toask you if you'll do something
with me that I have to do everysingle day, and that is to keep
taking one step and then thenext, whether it be corporately,
in your private life, whateverit may be maybe both to take one
step and then the next and justmake the next right choice,
even if your step looks morelike a shuffle.
(48:10):
Keep fighting and get uptomorrow and fight again, and I
wouldn't ask you to do that withme if that wasn't what my life
looks like every single day.
You are here for a purpose onpurpose, and never we can't stay
in that place of doubting that.
(48:30):
Get around people who willreinforce that in your life
Co-workers, people in yourfamily, people from your church,
neighbors, whatever Go to yoursafe people and keep walking
this out.
The suicide rate is off thecharts.
Let's keep it to where we canlive, in, a place where we are
choosing life regularly, insteadof having ideas that aren't
(48:53):
life-giving.
Aren't life-giving, I would saythose are some big things that
can speak into your private lifeand also into your work life,
because those affect one another.
When you walk in the house atnight, if you live with people,
they know how your day's been.
They deserve for you to begetting your help that you may
(49:15):
need, and they also deserve youdeserve to get the help that you
need in order to do that.
Now.
It's a strength, not a weakness.
We have definitely turned thepage on that.
So please know that that isokay and that you're going to be
okay.
You just got to keep making thenext right choice and, by all
means, ask God for help if youneed it, because my equation in
(49:38):
my life is very simple WithoutGod, without his help, I'm not
here.
I've tried to do business, I'vetried to do life, I've tried to
walk it out on my own, and itdoes not work out for me.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Amen.
It all starts with purpose.
Stacey, God bless you and yourhusband.
Thank you again for your time.
You've helped a lot of peopletoday.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well, thank you so much.
It's been my privilege.
Thank you, Michael, forinviting me.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
My pleasure.
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All right, welcome to another Small Business Pivots.
Today we're going to go alittle bit different direction.
We usually hit on topics ofmarketing, sales, scaling a
business, but I really wasfascinated with this guest today
that I've heard speak before,because a lot of business owners
are dealing with thingsinternally that we don't like to
(00:21):
share, because we have thispersona that we have to carry.
We don't want to feel like orlook like an imposter syndrome.
So today our guest is closewithin our headquarters in
Oklahoma, and so I know thatbusiness owners can only say
their name like they want it tobe said.
So I'm going to let youintroduce yourself, as I always
(00:42):
do, and just tell us a littlebit about you.
We'll introduce the show andthen we'll get into the meat of
the subject.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, well, my name is Stacey Getzinger and we get all
over the spectrum for that lastname.
The other day I bet StaceyGunslinger and I was like, okay,
we can go with that, that's notmy name, but okay.
But I am the co-founder andpresident of Speak Out Loud and
we are a nonprofit organization.
(01:10):
We're relatively new tononprofit, however.
We have been a thing for abouteight years now.
So, anyway, thank you so muchfor inviting me to be on with
you today, michael.
This is a privilege.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
My pleasure.
Well, let's introduce the showand we'll get right back and
help our listeners today.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Sounds great.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Welcome to Small Business Pivots, a podcast
produced for small businessowners.
I'm your host, michael Morrison, founder and CEO of BOSS, where
we make business ownershipsimplified for success.
Our business is helping yoursgrow.
Boss offers business loans withbusiness coaching support.
(01:53):
Apply in minutes and getapproved and funded in as little
as 24 to 48 hours atbusinessownershipsimplifiedcom.
All right, welcome back to SmallBusiness Pivot Stacy.
We have a lot to talk about.
I know a lot of small businessowners struggle In fact, the
(02:15):
whole population struggles fromtime to time with depression and
mental health.
But we're really focused on thesmall business owners because,
like I said, we have this facadethat we're trying to live and
we have to be this powerful orknow what we're doing in
business and our team looks upto us.
But I know deep inside you knowdeep inside when we go home at
(02:35):
night, we don't feel that partthat we are supposed to play
during the day, and so I'mhoping to help them today.
Is there anywhere particularyou just want to dive in that
you feel like would help ourlisteners today?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Absolutely, michael.
I think one of the biggestthings is when I go to speak,
share a story, anything likethat, no matter if it's to
executives or to a fraternitysorority or to a church
community one-on-one people will, overwhelmingly, when I ask
this question, right when Istand up I will say who in here
(03:10):
has someone who struggles intheir lives with mental illness,
whether it be you or someoneelse.
Usually I keep that broad sothat they're not having to feel
on the spot in that moment,because usually when people come
into that setting they're notexpecting to hear someone say
anything that is that personal,or to ask that question and
(03:30):
hands down.
Almost well, I would say 95% ofthe people raise their hand and
they will say they'll kind ofgo, you know, they'll make a
conversation out of it a littlebit and say, oh, my nephew, my
niece, but the hands go up andpeople immediately know that
this is going to be a differentkind of talk at their business
(03:50):
or in whoever has been invitedto join us that day.
So it's we feel like and we'veobserved and we have stats that
say depression, mental illness,mental health has been at the
surface for a long time.
When COVID came, it exploded,so now the things that were able
(04:11):
to be kept at bay are no longerable to be kept at bay.
People are swimming in it atthis point, and so that's where
we have found an audience.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Do you think COVID helped audience?
Do you think COVID helped?
And what I mean by that isbecause before it kind of or I
guess COVID kind of exposed it,if you will, to kind of make it
more okay to talk about it.
I mean, what have you seenbefore COVID and after?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Before people were dealing with it alone.
With COVID, people said I havea problem or I know someone who
does, because they are not okay,whether it be the isolation,
the lack of community, whateverit may have been.
That was a huge shift.
So many people of course workfrom you know virtually now, but
(05:00):
some people just really havemissed going back into the
office and being in a settingwith other people and that made
it kind of pop.
So since COVID we have seenthat people cannot not talk
about it to someone.
Counselors have lines, peoplewho are calling in to say can I
get on your list?
(05:21):
Even OU Medical Center forChildren this was true at least
a year ago they had a waitinglist for children, so that
starts at about six years old intheir children.
That was over a year longwaiting to get in for mental
help, but mostly inpatient.
So they have had thisresponsibility of choosing who
(05:46):
might be in more dire need thansomeone else, and as humans
we're not designed to do that.
So it's been really toxic, it'sreally shown up and we're
seeing that in suicide rate.
We're seeing that in suicideideation, we're seeing that show
in self-harm, false attempts,attempts that weren't supposed
(06:10):
to work, that did and people arejust crying out and it's really
hard to see that happen becauseit's like if you've ever been
with someone who you see that iscrying with tears but they
can't make a sound.
That's almost like what we'redealing with.
They are too, it's too deep.
They don't know how to expressit anymore, other than to just
(06:31):
cry out and just say, when theyfinally can help, just that one
word I need help.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I know for a lot of people they're embarrassed and a
lot of people hear people giveinsights or direction or some
tips.
But you have a story yourself.
If you wouldn't mind sharingjust a little bit of that so
that people can say okay, sheunderstands.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Sure.
Well, our mission with SpeakOut Loud is this is to speak
hope and light into the darknessof mental illness, mental
health, and support those whoeither suffer themselves or who
are loving and supportingsomeone who does struggle.
Well, that came out, that wasborn out of us, my husband and I
(07:18):
dealing with mental illness forme for over 35 years now.
My story is not one of.
This is where I was, and nowI'm better, and now we speak out
of that better.
Honestly, the shame kept usisolated, kept me isolated for
about 16 years because I am aChristian and often in the
(07:41):
Christian realm, that is notaccepted.
I think we've come a long wayin our churches.
Churches are meant to behospitals, and if you are lonely
at church, that's not supposedto happen, but it does, and so
what we really want to do isjust go.
This is where we are.
We're going to speak out of themiddle, because I still deal
with it.
Largely, people are like you,don't look like you do, but you
(08:06):
have no idea what I go throughin order to get to that point,
to where I can share our story,because it's still something we
are really trying to trudgethrough.
However, we find a lot of hopein it.
So, really, where it began mydad was a minister when I was
growing up and we had to presentin a certain way and that was
(08:26):
very, very known at that time.
I think things have become morevulnerable, but we've got a
long way to go.
Same with people who own abusiness you have a certain way
you want to present and whenthat is not happening, there's a
lot of insecurity that can comeout and your people can sense
that.
Well, it's at that point oftenwhere the conversation can start
(08:49):
, because if the head person issaying this is an issue for me
or showing that it's an issuefor them, then it becomes like
okay, this is a real thing thatwe're going to have to address
in the people in the communitythat we spend most of our time
in.
So that's often our work day.
So for me, like I said,minister's family, we presented
(09:11):
well, never had a problem.
However, behind closed doors wehad big problems.
So there was a lot of anger.
There was a lot of verbal,emotional, mental abuse going on
, some physical and when we leftour home that was to be left
back at home, when we would getaround people that was not to
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show.
So we were wounded and we werewalking around as if we had it
all together.
That can only be sustainablefor a certain amount of time.
My parents had marital problems.
After 25 years of marriage anda lot, a lot of dysfunction, my
parents got divorced.
So we moved 13 times.
(09:54):
When I was growing up Peopleoften ask oh, y'all were
military.
No, we were just disgruntled inthe ministry, I feel like the
better way for us to describe it.
And when my parents gotdivorced, I had been really an
emotional support for my dad andso my dad left.
My mom was in, my sister was incollege.
(10:17):
She had been through it as well.
But when my parents divorced itwas my third time to move my
senior year, and so I had beenan avid tennis player.
I had done well in school.
Considering we'd moved 13 times, it's kind of hard to not pick
up and leave off and not get aneducation, but I was about to
(10:40):
flunk out of high school, quitehonestly, so I didn't accept the
tennis scholarships that wereoffered.
I knew when my parents gotdivorced that my mom needed
support 24-7.
So we moved to Dallas, texas,where we had some family and we
leaned into them and we movedinto a Section 8 apartment after
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being in the ministry and notmaking a lot, but we also had
sustainable life for a certainamount of time.
So my mom and I moved.
She could not hold down a job.
Deep, deep depression.
Had already had a couple ofsuicide attempts when I was in
high school.
And there we were in Dallas andI started getting jobs, working
(11:25):
30, 40 hours a week and goingto school.
So school suffered greatly, gotinto college because I literally
went to the college on seniorskip day and I went to the
college the Dallas BaptistUniversity with a lot of friends
for senior skip day got in thedoor.
None of them went to thatuniversity but I stayed when
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they left and I said to theadmissions counselor I said I
have nothing, I have zero money,but I'm willing to work and I'm
willing to do pretty much anyjob on campus because I didn't
have a part.
So that work as it began really, other than in sports, it began
in my daily life.
I worked three jobs and took 18hours at a time, typically
(12:10):
because I didn't want anybody totell me I had to leave and not
have an education.
I, that was where my insecuritycame out because I really didn't
want, a like I said, foranybody to tell me I needed to
move or I couldn't stay at thatschool, and b I wanted it to be
able to be like I am an asset tothis university, so please keep
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me, because this is what I haveto offer so that I can get my
education, so that I have moreto offer beyond university life.
So that's kind of what what Idid.
And, uh, I met my wonderfulhusband in college and we got
married quickly.
After marriage, I had amiscarriage that was late.
(12:54):
It was late miscarriage, so Ihad to have two surgeries and
that's how we began our marriage.
So it's just been.
It's been not just a rollercoaster.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's like you're sitting backwards in a roller
coaster and just going don'ttell me what's next, because I
know I can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I'm just going to hold on tight for a certain
amount of time and then afterthat we'll have to see what
happens.
So that was our beginning.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, I know we're on about episode 100 of podcast
currently and I would say almosttwo thirds of the business
owners we've spoken with becausethat's who?
Because now there's a definiteconnection of what you have to
share next, which is talkingabout living in our purpose and
kind of some things that you cansuggest coming from your
(13:58):
experience of how you can helppeople, or how people can at
least help themselves and knowwhere to start to help.
So can you kind of expand onthat a little bit?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, for years I didn't think I had one.
I thought I was just merelygoing to be here to exist
because of the diagnosis thatI'd been given over the years.
And when the girls, we hadended up having two beautiful
redheaded little girls and wewere in the ministry and that
was all too familiar to me.
(14:30):
So that was about an 11 yearjourney for us because I got too
low, too down.
I couldn't.
When you're working with thatmany people, it's really hard to
please everybody, and that wasmy goal, and that can't be your
goal in life.
It's really hard to pleaseeverybody and that was my goal,
and that can't be your goal inlife.
It doesn't work.
And so we needed to leave theministry.
(14:50):
But before we did, I had anervous breakdown.
The girls were five and sevenand a half eight, and that was
very difficult.
Working with that many peopleand all the triggers that were
happening that reminded me of mypast was only sustainable for a
certain amount of time, and so,within the ministry, I did have
that nervous breakdown.
(15:11):
I needed to go inpatient.
I had been mismedicated not anadvocate for medication.
However, at this point it doeshelp keep me here so that I can
take the edge off so that I caneven function in life, and we
can talk more about that in alittle bit, if that's okay.
But really, after that happened,one of my diagnosis is well,
(15:31):
let me just tell you what mydiagnoses are, so that that way
people kind of know what you'redealing with and that way they
can pray me through this.
Because when I tell you whatall of them are, you might go
what and why are you here?
But one is anxiety.
That is a word that can beoverused.
Now my daughter teaches sixthgrade and the kids are like I'm
so anxious and she will offer tothem what if you're just
(15:55):
excited?
And so because it's become sucha word that can be overused.
The second thing would be deepdepression.
It's deep.
We thought maybe this will bejust situational, maybe when we
get out of the ministry I won'thave that deep depression.
Maybe it's um seasonal,situational, and we've seen that
(16:16):
it is absolutely not thosethings.
I have a lot of joy because ofmy life, but that depression is
always hovering, and sometimesit is an umbrella rather than
hovering.
And so then the next thing isthe next ones are very humbling
and a little bit I reallystruggle with, but I do talk
(16:38):
about it, is self-harm.
I'm an adult who has struggledwith self-harm.
I've been asked to go to youthcamp with churches and
everything in order to help themidentify who might be on the
edge of suicide.
And a lot of times thatself-harm can be the scream
before the action, the finalaction.
So I've helped identify peoplewith that and just inquired more
(17:02):
about that so that that waythey can see an LPC, get
hospitalized, whatever may beneeded.
And one is borderlinepersonality disorder and that is
being talked about a little bitmore.
Along the lines of our story andpurpose was that 10 years ago
(17:28):
of our story and purpose wasthat 10 years ago I got too sick
after I got out of having beingmental in a mental institution
when the girls were little likeI referred to anorexia that had
been underlying in college andin growing up with that being
skinny and the persona that weneeded to carry really showed up
in college.
Then with the loss of our son,and then it was waiting for me
(17:49):
after the nervous breakdown.
Right when I got out it wasjust like can't eat.
I was really struggling withemotions.
Yes, I was getting stabilizedon medication, but it was right
there waiting for me once again.
And so 10 years ago I justcelebrated 10 years of being
home.
I went to inpatient.
(18:11):
Anorexia is considered to bethe final thing that I struggle
with, is probably one of themost difficult things, because
it's medicine, food is medicineand when you're not medicating
yourself with food it's reallydifficult to deal with the other
things, the other diagnoses.
So I was in a wheelchair atthat point, malnourished, went
(18:33):
inpatient.
After taking our oldest daughterto college that same day, that
freshman year, where she knew noone, we left her there and all
the moms were helping move inand I just sat on the bed
because I had no energy.
That was a big, big eye openerfor me.
(18:56):
Then the next day, we took ouryoungest daughter to being a
sophomore in high school,youngest daughter to being a
sophomore in high school.
And my way to get intoinpatient treatment was supposed
to be a couple of months andthey said you have a couple of
days to get here.
So said bye to the girls, criedall the way, so did my husband
(19:18):
to Tulsa, where I was admittedinto Laurier Hospital, thought I
was going to be there for sixweeks total and I was in ICU for
seven weeks before I could evenenter the program.
So that was hard.
That's where we realized we weremore than in a crisis situation
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and that's really where I gotmy life.
I got my life not back back butstart of life, with nutrition
and finding my purpose in thislife.
It was never what I thought.
My triple major in college withmy three jobs was a secondary
education.
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I wanted to teach inner cityand I did for a while there in
Dallas.
It was secondary education,english and Spanish and so I
thought that was going to be meliving out my purpose in life
and that that was what it wasgoing to look like getting to be
with inner city kids and letthem find their purpose so that
they did not continue in thatlifespan of crime, that they
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didn't continue in that lifespanof drugs and just the legacy
that a lot of their parents wereliving in.
We wanted theirs to bedifferent.
And then, when I was too sick, Icouldn't continue that.
In Laureate it was very much, Idon't know.
(20:46):
I felt more understood than Iever had in my whole life, but I
was missing my familydesperately in these new pivots
in their life and when you gointo a mental hospital.
You don't realize it possiblyat the beginning, but they take
your phone, they take your razor, they take anything that you
could.
Your shoelaces are out of yourshoes and there's, you know,
(21:09):
electric tape put on there sothat you won't hurt yourself.
Because in both of thosesettings that's mental hospital.
And it was very scary for me atfirst.
After I had been there for alittle while, I'd earned things
back because I was verycompliant.
And this is why I'd earn thingsback, because I was very
compliant, and this is why Oneof the biggest parts of this
(21:38):
pivot in our life was that myhusband and I the divorce rates
very high for mental illness.
People get scared, they getexhausted and they run out of
what they need in order to helpsupport someone, and they're the
ones who end up needing thesupport.
So I enrolled through thosedoors of the ICU and on the
counter there in the nurse'sstation was a couple of dozen
(22:01):
beautiful, beautiful roses insomething plastic, because they
don't want you to hurt yourselfwith the glass and that would
have been something I would havedone, without a doubt.
And as I was rolled through,the nurse came over to me and
she said these are for you.
And I said, really, I just gothere, I wasn't expecting
anything.
(22:22):
And the nurse said I thinkthey're from your husband.
And I went and read the littlecard that it comes from and it
was in Doug's handwriting and hesaid Stacy, you can do this,
make this work, we need this towork.
And I knew that at that point Iwasn't going to give myself an
(22:43):
option to not fight.
And that's where the journeybegan really for us, because
there were people checkingthemselves out all the time.
I went in willingly.
I'm not going to fight mydoctors and what I knew I needed
.
I just thought when I got inthere I'm not going to need this
as bad as they think I am, so Iwon't be here long.
(23:04):
And I took that as Doug sayingwe need this to work, we need
this to happen.
Our family does.
We've been through it all.
I was a sick mom raising twodaughters.
I was sick all threepregnancies with anorexia.
That's one of the reasons welost our son.
If you're not nourishingyourself, you can't nourish a
baby.
(23:24):
By God's grace, we had tworedheaded daughters, like I've
referred to, and they came outpink and perfect.
That's a miracle.
Those both, those.
Both of those girls are amiracle, but that's who I fought
for when I was in there andwith anything in life, if it's
really going to matter whetherit be business, home, community,
(23:47):
whatever it's going to looklike it's probably going to
entail doing hard things thatare unnatural for you.
The most unnatural thing for meat that point was eating and I
ate over 500 meals there and Iwas there five months instead of
six weeks and those women werethe biggest fighters and a lot
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of them now have opened theirown businesses because they're
alive and they know what it'slike to feel dead and it was
very motivating to be there.
The rest of the journey beganreally when I got home, because
I didn't have thataccountability as much.
I had a huge support team,which is so important in
anything we do in life.
If you don't have a goodsupport team who's going to be
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around you and provide thataccountability for you and speak
into your life in business andyou feel like you're above that
reproach, that's going to takeabout that long for that to go
under in my experience.
We need people around us whoare going to be honest with us
and are going to do the hardthings with us that can hold us
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to the same standard that we aresetting for other people.
I wanted to be able to leave alegacy and live in a legacy for
our daughters.
Before I even startednon-profit work, that was
leading by example and sayingyou can do hard things and I'm
gonna make it because I want youto know that when hard things
(25:16):
come up in your life, personalbusiness, anything that you can
do it.
And this is why I'm gonna leadby example.
That's why and there's thehardest things I've ever done in
coming home and being home andnot having to go back and forth
to the hospital has beendevastatingly difficult.
But here we are.
So that's where we are rightnow.
(25:39):
There have been pivots, therehave been reasons why that God
wants this to be my purpose andthat is because when I speak
about it, it reminds me that Ihave to do this with integrity
or I better step aside.
So the purpose came out of myverse, psalm 118, 17.
(26:00):
I will not die, but live andproclaim what the Lord has done.
And I know that is so short, Iknow that is such a brief verse,
but, gosh, it's powerful.
It's got a punch that keeps meon my toes all day, every day.
First of all, it says I will notdie.
Even as I'm speaking to youright now, michael, my mind is
(26:20):
screaming.
What do you possibly have tooffer businessmen, businesswomen
, people who are doing startups,people who are for non-profits?
I will not die.
Well, that's because myidentity can't be in what my
mind is saying for me to do.
My mind says the opposite, so Ido the opposite all day, every
(26:43):
day, to the best of my ability.
Then it says but live, so I'mnot just going to exist in my
office and hang out in my houseand become more and more
depressed every day.
Choose to self-harm out of thatdepression.
Be anxious, because myhusband's going to come home and
see the self-harm and theborderline personality disorder.
(27:06):
That says do not communicatewith people, do not have
relationships, because they'regoing to be profoundly more
difficult than it is for otherpeople because they may not have
borderline personality disorderand, by the way, eat.
So the final part of that verseis proclaim what the Lord has
(27:27):
done.
And that's where our nonprofitwas birthed, because I thought
it's not enough for me to tellmyself these things.
But when I get on a stage, whenI get on a podcast.
When I'm doing life withsomebody who is desperate, I
better know that I'm going toneed to talk about where I've
(27:48):
been, where we are and the factthat we don't know what the
future holds, but we're going tobe okay.
I have to take that element ofpossibility out of my life of
saying today I'm not going tochoose life, because when I
don't choose life, myalternative is to take my life
(28:10):
with suicide ideation constantlythere.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I know a lot of business owners.
When they come to us, they askthings like do you hold your
clients accountable?
We're business coaches and thisall makes a little sense now
from hearing some of thestruggles, trials, tribulations
that they've mentioned along theway, because they always say I
(28:38):
don't want someone that justagrees with me, I want someone
to hold me accountable, which iskind of like what you were
referring to, which is a supportgroup.
Which is a support group.
So how does one find a supportgroup that is struggling?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Because it sounds like that's possibly the key to
get started.
It really is, I think.
Anytime that someone walks intoa possible job situation
nowadays, I think they reallywant to hear that we care about
you, not just what you have tooffer us, but we care about you
as a whole person.
And when you say that nowpeople get relief instead of
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fear of when I start to play outmy life in front of you, what's
that going to look like?
Because sometimes I can't holdback the anxiety, sometimes I
can't hold back the things thatare very, very difficult for me.
So to offer space for there tobe a counseling counselor or
that you know that they may needto take a little time for
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counseling, immediately lowersthat anxiety for the person.
So they perform better thanever.
So we have found that when wespeak into corporations, when we
speak into companies and we sayyou know what, it's not a
weakness to go to see acounselor, it's a strength that
their longevity in the person'semployment grows because they
(30:05):
know that they are not expectedto be on constantly.
Are you?
I'm not, I'm not constantly on.
And when we are, a lot of thatcan come out and it can show
itself in many different wayswithin a setting of a company.
So we want there to be lessabsences or absent days.
We want there to be qualitywhen that person does take a
(30:28):
personal day.
So we open up that doorimmediately to say we realize
we're all people working in thiscompany and, while we don't
want you to abuse this situation, we want you to realize that we
want to speak into the wholeperson, because when you're not
taking care of yourself, thenwhat productivity are you going
to have to offer us?
Well, not much.
(30:49):
Then what productivity are yougoing to have to offer us?
Well, not much.
And if so, it's not going to bea long-term situation for that
person.
In the day and time that we nowlive in, the stress level is off
the charts.
The world's uncertainty withpolitical things that I will
never talk in public about, butjust the things that are going
(31:09):
on in our world today.
We can't walk into our officesand act like and be like that.
That is not affecting us all.
Does that mean we need to sitwith our co-workers and shoot
the breeze about this all day?
Absolutely not.
We have a purpose in ourbusiness.
We have a purpose for ourcompany.
We have things that we want toshow, to bring to that company.
(31:30):
But when the company makes itclear that they are going to
take care or realize that you'rea whole person, that those
things need to work together,counseling never needs to be off
the table and also just thatgroup work that needs to happen.
And there are many, many inOklahoma, oklahoma City, that
(31:53):
are outpatient, that are onehour an evening and they're just
excellent so that that way whenthey're not working they can
also be taking care ofthemselves.
And you see the result of thatwhen they do show up for work,
because you want that greatattendance among your people and
not for them to eventuallyexplode and then have to take
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off three months to get theirlife back to where they can be
someone who is going to addprofit and they're going to add
their talents and gifts to youroffice space.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
For the business owners who have never reached
out for help or mentionedanything to anyone.
What would you suggest as kindof a first step and, first of
all, kind of diagnosing maybe,what level or what degree of
maybe some anxiousness ordepression that I have, because
I'm sure there's differentlevels.
(32:46):
So where would one startmentally thinking like maybe I
should reach out or maybe I cantry this?
Are there any insights that youcan give on that?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Sure, like when you say you are the boss, say that
you are the CEO, coo.
You are realizing that in thisworld, in this environment, now
that you are beginning to slipand struggle on performance,
focus anything like that yourleadership skills may be sliding
.
You yourself can go in and getcounseling, and counselors are
(33:23):
available after work hours.
A lot of them that's their maintime to counsel is after six
o'clock, seven o'clock.
If you sense that in yourself,lead by example, go ahead and
get that help that you need andsay, hey, you know what?
I know people may consider thisa weakness, but it's really
proven to be a strength in mylife for me to get the help that
(33:44):
I need to lower that anxiety,lower that stress, so that when
I come to you I can offer you mybest.
But I want you to know how I'mdoing that.
I am getting that extra help.
That has made me stronger as aperson and that's why we have
Speak Out Loud, as our ownnonprofit is just to be able to
start that conversation and letyou know that it has not been
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explosive, it's not beenself-imploding either.
It's been a stepping up to thetable and just going.
You know what I'm a human being.
There are a lot of cells up here.
I live with a lot of stress, andso I just want you to know, in
the most natural way that I can,sometimes I need to seek help
outside of these four walls inorder to bring my best, in order
(34:28):
to be able to be the personthat is approachable, the person
who isn't scared to death ofthe future, of what we're
looking at and what we couldpossibly or not, but lead by
example in that situation andtell the benefits of it, not
just like well, I went tocounseling and the first time I
went it didn't work.
(34:51):
In businesses, when we arelooking for our purpose in that
business, the most effectivebusinesses are usually people
working in their purpose, and soif you want to really be able
to do that and work in that area, then the chances are of you
needing to get help yourself arevery high, and at first, when
(35:13):
you offer it, your people maylook at you and just go oh, oh,
no, this is our leader, but whenthey see the benefit of it I've
been going for a month whathave you noticed in my
productivity?
My productivity, it's gone up,hasn't it?
Because I have someone I cantalk to, that is unbiased within
this company, and they can pourinto my life, so that that way
(35:33):
you see the overflow of thatinstead of me depleting you
within these working hours ofour day.
Lead by example.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Absolutely.
I know I've reached out forhelp many times and I highly
encourage every business ownerto do that, whether it be a
mentor, a coach, a consultant ora therapist or counselor.
The list goes on and on.
I've reached out to all of thembefore.
(36:04):
So not at the same time, butjust throughout the years, and I
know that it makes a bigdifference Not at the same time,
but just throughout the years,and I know that it makes a big
difference and so I encourageeveryone to at least take that
first step, even if you'refeeling a little self-doubt,
because it really does make adifference just to explore with
someone that knows how to helpyou and be a sounding board.
What does your organization doso we can let people know how
(36:29):
you can help them.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Absolutely so.
We offer several things.
So something that I always wantto emphasize, and my husband
and I always want to emphasize,is we are not professional LPCs,
we are not counselors.
We go to them, but what we dooffer is our experience for the
last 35 years.
I can remember when I was even alittle girl and I would get in
(36:55):
bed with my sister because theday had been so overwhelming.
And back in the day we wouldjust say you're just a worrywart
, you're paranoid.
But now what we call it isanxiety, and I was experiencing
that as a very little girl and Iwould get in bed with my sister
and I would just say can youhelp me understand today?
Can you help me know what wenton today?
I'm so scared I would use thatword instead of anxious.
(37:19):
And so now we see those wordsmore come to fruition as a
diagnosis, instead of it beingjust, like you know, blown off.
And so that's also when westarted realizing that I had
issues with relationships, inthat I didn't want to be left in
(37:40):
those.
So the rejection, theabandonment, which eventually
did happen in our lives it wasjust a slow tick until it did
happen are now titled, they nowhave words to them, and so.
So that's what we want to do.
We want to always keep thatdoor open and let people know
what we do have to offer,michael, to your question, that
(38:02):
is, that we want to let peopleknow that we have struggled with
since I was a little bitty girl.
Then we offer so that's 65 thatwe offer of the podcast and
(38:31):
that's a whole library that youcan pull from on Doug saying
this is what this looked likefrom my view, and me speaking
into it of this is what myemotions were doing in that
situation.
So that that way, way you know,as the person who listens that
says I'm the one who struggles,I'm the one who's suffering so
much, but I don't know how toexplain it.
What do I need?
If I knew, I would tell you.
And then Doug speaks into it assomeone who has been with me
(38:52):
and doesn't call himself acaretaker.
He calls himself it's aprivilege to be walking this
journey with you and that's howwe run everything.
We run everything, not poorStacey, but look how we can
speak into your life, and I heala little bit more every time we
get to do that.
Then the next thing we offer isspeaking.
(39:12):
Doug speaks, sometimes alone.
We speak together.
I'm the one who speaks the mostbecause I'm the one who's
dealing with it, and then he'llcome to the Q&A and swing around
and go.
This is what we thought we werelooking at and this is how
wrong we were.
So that's kind of how thatworks with that one.
And then I've written two books.
The first book is called youAre Worth Saving, because I was
(39:37):
concerned about everybody elseand not me, and I was the one
who became depleted and a friendsaid to me on the back porch of
a house in Seaside, florida,stacy, you are worth saving.
And I was in the hospitalwithin two, three days later
because she said those words tome.
The second book is called theBoat that Wouldn't Sink and it's
(39:57):
a memoir and it comes from apicture that I had in my mind
when I was a little girl.
That came from a painting thatwe had hanging on our wall.
That basically helped us getthrough, when my dad made a
tornado through the house andgone on to church to be able to
minister to other people and wewere a wreck.
(40:19):
So that's what that book comesfrom.
It's very specific.
It tells what other people cando when they're doing life with
someone that speaks into my lifeor people similar to me, and
how they can validate that thatperson should still be here and
not hide, and how they canvalidate that that person should
still be here and not hide.
(40:39):
It's a book that is.
Neither one of my books aresuper long, because people who
read the books that we have tooffer need an answer and they
don't want to read somethingthat is fiction for days and
days before they can get to alittle bit of hope and a little
bit of help.
People who read these books arepeople who also are going.
(41:01):
Can you just provide even alittle bit of what you're
thinking so that that way, whenI'm asking my son or daughter,
that way when I'm asking myspouse if they can support me in
any way, they have a clue how?
So I do write on cutting I.
It's not a how-to within thesetwo books because, um,
(41:22):
publishers have dropped mebecause I wouldn't go deeper
into that.
But there are dark sides peoplecan go to and I won't want I
don't want to be one of them.
I want to provide hope in thatway and so sometimes people
don't like that when they've setoffers us a book deal and
they'll say, oh, you speak oncutting.
You talk about cutting.
I'm like, yeah, but it's nothow to.
It's what we've done in orderto make it to the next step, to
(41:46):
the next morning.
And then we also write for youversion Bible app.
I don't know if you've seenthat before.
You've seen it, michael Good.
It's a worldwide app and wewrite on mental illness.
Our plan is actually calledhope for those struggling with
mental illness.
(42:06):
It's that simple so that thatway people can just look up hope
, mental illness, health, andwe'll pop up.
And so we write for them.
And our plan has gotten eveninto China, which is a closed
country, and it is spreading.
How does that happen?
Word of mouth, because you kindof get one shot to get into
(42:29):
places like China.
We have gotten it translatedinto several languages.
Korean has been the hardest.
They said with our Korean planthat there are cuss words in it,
and we don't know how, becausethe people that we offer we pay
people to translate for us.
We want it in street language,not only classical language.
(42:51):
We don't want people talking tous.
That is the Taoist we want.
Hey, what's going on?
And so that's what we pay forthe translation to happen, and
so we are in Portuguese, spanish, english, chinese and we're
just growing from there and wehave been invited to write many
(43:11):
more plans with YouVersion.
So if you would go on and lookup Bible app, youversion Bible
app, and search for those wordswhere Doug and Stacey gets in
and that pops up, but those arethe things that we have to offer
people, even in corporate thesector, especially in that
(43:39):
sector, but also in churches andjust different community groups
, where we see the nods and thetears, sometimes even with grown
men that are finally feelingheard and they can identify with
somebody that is going throughit right now, in the here and
now.
It's all worth it.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's all worth it well, you're, you're doing
amazing things, you and yourhusband is there a specific
place they can go to.
I know you mentioned youversion, but a website or
something to get some moreinformation sure, on youtube.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
we've just now started going live with our
content.
It's every Monday night CT, youknow, standard time, or, yeah,
central standard time yeah.
We are there every Monday nightat seven o'clock live, and we're
new and we have already lovedit.
(44:36):
And we're new and we havealready loved it.
Then everything else isspeakoutloudme, and that's where
you can find everything else.
Our website has just beenupdated.
We've had a website for a longtime and we keep it updated with
what's going on, and now I do avideo introduction to that so
that you can see that I am aperson who is going through this
(45:00):
, and so that's how you can findus.
Those are all of ourspeakoutloudme.
And then I do want to clarifyon YouTube.
Sorry, michael, atspeakoutloudme is YouTube.
At speakoutloudme, everythingelse is the same.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
And we'll get all that in the show notes for those
searching for it, the youversion.
You will not have a problemfinding that.
It is worldwide.
So it's the first thing thatthat is a big honor.
So well, you're a blessing tomany.
But I always ask usually I'llask do you have any final words
(45:42):
of wisdom or something that'sapplicable to every business
owner?
But do you have any words ofwisdom for anyone?
Just what is that?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah.
So I want you to know that, nomatter what your situation is,
whether your business is sinkingor swimming, that you are made
for a purpose and that if youwant to ever know that purpose,
just ask God to show you whatthat is.
What do you love doing?
(46:13):
What is something that you feellike you can pour into people,
even a little bit?
And people know when you loveyour job.
People know when you have thatyou are tuned into what they can
do in order to be successful intheir job under you a team
(46:36):
member, a teammate, anythinglike that.
I also want to say that justbecause you are the head of a
corporation, just because youare head of a business, no
matter what size it is, it doesnot mean you have to have it all
together.
That used to be the only way topresent, and now I feel like we
have come a long way and wehave a long way to go, but you
(47:00):
do not.
One of the most comfortablesituations I'm in when it comes
to me being with someone that wehave hired to be a part of our
Speak Out Loud team is when Isay I don't know what to do in
this situation.
Would you please speak intothis and let's formulate
something together.
Of course, I'm going to havethe final say in it, but I need
(47:23):
the people that I have around meare people who I know will
represent, speak Out Loud in thebest way, and that they will
take it in and learn what we'rereally about so that that way,
when they're not with us, theycan represent us well.
The other thing I would say isa lot of you who are listening
(47:48):
may be at a point where you feellike you are just beat, you are
just exhausted, and I want toask you if you'll do something
with me that I have to do everysingle day, and that is to keep
taking one step and then thenext, whether it be corporately,
in your private life, whateverit may be maybe both to take one
step and then the next and justmake the next right choice,
even if your step looks morelike a shuffle.
(48:10):
Keep fighting and get uptomorrow and fight again, and I
wouldn't ask you to do that withme if that wasn't what my life
looks like every single day.
You are here for a purpose onpurpose, and never we can't stay
in that place of doubting that.
(48:30):
Get around people who willreinforce that in your life
Co-workers, people in yourfamily, people from your church,
neighbors, whatever Go to yoursafe people and keep walking
this out.
The suicide rate is off thecharts.
Let's keep it to where we canlive, in, a place where we are
choosing life regularly, insteadof having ideas that aren't
(48:53):
life-giving.
Aren't life-giving, I would saythose are some big things that
can speak into your private lifeand also into your work life,
because those affect one another.
When you walk in the house atnight, if you live with people,
they know how your day's been.
They deserve for you to begetting your help that you may
(49:15):
need, and they also deserve youdeserve to get the help that you
need in order to do that.
Now.
It's a strength, not a weakness.
We have definitely turned thepage on that.
So please know that that isokay and that you're going to be
okay.
You just got to keep making thenext right choice and, by all
means, ask God for help if youneed it, because my equation in
(49:38):
my life is very simple WithoutGod, without his help, I'm not
here.
I've tried to do business, I'vetried to do life, I've tried to
walk it out on my own, and itdoes not work out for me.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Amen.
It all starts with purpose.
Stacey, God bless you and yourhusband.
Thank you again for your time.
You've helped a lot of peopletoday.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well, thank you so much.
It's been my privilege.
Thank you, Michael, forinviting me.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
My pleasure.
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