May 22, 2025 • 32 mins
What happens when the relationship that defined your youth no longer fits who you've become? This episode of Soap Lore dives deep into the tangled relationships of Knott's Landing Season 4, where characters find themselves at crossroads between love and personal growth.
Gary and Val's marriage takes center stage as we examine whether people who meet at fifteen can truly grow together or if they're destined to grow apart. The aftermath of Gary's passionate encounter with Abby forces us to confront uncomfortable truths: sometimes the people we've loved the longest aren't necessarily our forever matches. As our host puts it, "staying stagnant in this sort of underdeveloped form is never going to be what it could be."
Meanwhile, Karen navigates the unfamiliar territory of dating after decades with Sid. Her children's varied reactions – from Diana's encouragement to Michael's resistance – perfectly capture the complex family dynamics that surround moving on after loss. The episode beautifully illustrates that grief isn't linear, and appearing "put together" doesn't mean you're ready for what comes next.
Perhaps most compelling is Ginger's journey as she discovers a hidden talent for singing, sparking tension with Kenny about their roles as parents. When Kenny insists she prioritize motherhood while he pursues his career, Ginger delivers the episode's most powerful line: "You have the same baby, the same house, and it's still not enough for you." It's a timeless conflict that resonates just as strongly today as it did in 1982.
Subscribe now and join us as we continue unpacking the golden age of primetime soaps – where the fashion might be dated, but the human struggles remain startlingly relevant. What storyline resonates most with your own experiences? We'd love to hear your thoughts!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome, or
welcome back to Soap Lore, theofficial gathering place for
newbies, novices and OG diehardfans of the golden age of
primetime.
I'm your host, jed, reviewingand reviewing the sopiest,
sexiest primetime storylines of1982.
We're back on the West Coast,still doing the absolute most.
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It's time to tell the kids toplay outside or out of sight,
tell babe no questions,suggestions or concerns for the
next 25 to 35 minutes.
Everyone else in earshot, cool,quiet or kicked out are your
only options, because we arediscussing our stories.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys andgirls, this is Soap Floor.
Hello, gorgeous, and welcomeback to another fun post edition
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of Soap Floor.
Hope your day is shaping upwell.
I hope we are all recoveringfrom whatever ailments, whatever
grievances you've had this week.
This is the place to kick offyour shoes, relax, enjoy your
time as we delve in to the ooey,gooey, delicious golden age of
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prime time.
No question about it, I'mcompletely convinced, completely
hooked.
I'm your host, jet, who isslowly working my way through
all of the vintage primetimesoap operas I've never got to
enjoy.
We are back on Knott's Landing.
You're probably like Jet.
This formula seems a little bitoff.
It is because.
Here's how I'm thinking this.
Putting this through Real lifeis super busy.
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I think I'm finally at a placewhere I can sit and record like
I'd like to.
However, vintage primetime soapopera is not created equal.
Some shows have shorter seasons.
Some shows have longer seasons.
I don't really understand why,but we're going to go with it
because I trust the process bythis point.
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So Falcon Crest and Knott'sLanding are going to kind of be
neighbors for a little bit untiltheir seasons are done.
We should finish about the sametime.
Dallas, I believe, has theshortest season, and then
Dynasty will get all thattogether all at once.
And for old time's sake, Istill like comparing apples to
apples, oranges to oranges.
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I want to know what you guysthink of season four thus far.
Whether you're an OG or anewbie enjoying this, I am
loving going through this withyou guys because my schedule is
a little I'm a little behind, soyou're going to hear this a lot
closer to the time I record it.
You're probably going to hearthis the very next day.
I'm still going through somefan mail.
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Ie I like to just call.
These are my friends.
I picture us as I saw my auntand her homegirls talking to
each other over the fence likewait a minute, did you watch
this?
Do you know something I don'tknow?
Tell me all the tea.
Don't give me any spoilers, butgive me the tea because I love
hearing this.
It gives a lot of perspectiveto something that I still don't
feel like I'm comfortable enoughresearching.
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I want to keep this as pure aspossible.
So far, so good.
I've had a couple of peoplemention that they feel like
Dawson's Creek might be awatered down version of Knott's
Landing.
I am not seeing that watereddown version of Knott's Landing.
I am not seeing that.
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I want to say I've had at leastI said, a couple.
I think there's four differentemails and we've talked back and
forth.
I don't see that.
Do you guys see that?
I felt like I, mind you, Idon't remember all of Dawson's
Creek, but not only it, being ateen show, I think just just the
premise was similar, becausewe're all in the same town,
we're all kind of sharingpartners at some point.
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But I don't fully see it.
I'm going to give it a littlebit more time.
I'd also like to chat with youguys about the previous episode,
which was a total and completeshocker.
So you better believe I dideverything I needed to do to
make sure I had no spoilers onepisode 12.
I'm not saying that I was tooharsh with Gary.
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That's not at all how I feel.
I probably have a hot take.
I don't see Val and Gary as acouple.
I just don't.
I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say it.
I understand we needed them tobe a couple so that we can have
this whole beautiful spinoff,and I'm glad it happened.
However, let me just addressthe obvious first.
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Let me just let me address themost recent information first.
Up until this time, yes, we asthe audience were privy to the
fact that Abby was a little bitsweet on him.
To me this is my fault for notclocking this a little more.
She seemed to be over.
That Didn't really, didn'treally take Abby, as I'm into
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one person and one person only,type of girl.
I.
I personally, jet did not takethat seriously and that's my own
fault Did not take thatseriously and that's my own
fault.
However, I have never, not onetime, thought that Gary gave a
damn about Abby, even in thisepisode.
Yes, he's very much moreinterested in her, but he's
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interested in her ideas.
It's new, it's bubbly, it'sbright, it's something he can
kind of latch on to.
Someone sees his vision,someone agrees with him.
He seems very, very happy.
Because of that, however, I'mlike I didn't really think he
was into her at some point andthat's why, in my mind, I didn't
really give it an opportunityto fester.
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Granted, when she went andjumped in that front seat, when
he was pretending to be Olivia'sdad at the little, what was it?
A daddy daughter night?
I thought it was messed up.
Even though Lily Mae gave awarning, I didn't really heed it
.
I'm like I could see Val'sheart drop and my stomach kind
of dropped too.
I think I chalked it.
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I don't know.
I mean, I know she wants him.
That's the thing.
I think.
If a bad girl wants a guy,she's going to get him.
I don't think there's very muchyou can do.
The last episode pissed me offso much because it wasn't
necessarily the passionate kissand let me be very clear.
He was rubbing her up and down,up and down, like she was a
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genie in a bottle.
So I'm not going to be like ohAbby, put it on him.
He got caught up in.
The moment is what it feelslike to me, because up until
then he doesn't see, he doesn'teven seem to like her.
I'm saying no interestwhatsoever.
She seems to be someone he cansee through Is the vibe I've
always gotten, but on this lastepisode, that kiss wasn't just a
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, it was a whole up and like.
It seemed like they were in alittle bootleg barn for a minute
.
I don't like it.
It's not just that, though.
It's that he came back home andhe gaslit Valene.
Oh, my God, are you jealous?
You know something's going onNow.
Granted, I understand humannature.
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You're going to want to protectyour own butt.
There's ways of protectingyourself without gaslighting her
, and I think that brings me tomy conclusion.
Yes, he had an affair.
Yes, he had that.
We're all grown.
You can get over those things.
You can work through thosethings.
There's many reasons why peopledo the things they do.
For me, it's that the eggshellshe needs to walk on for just
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the minimal amount of attention,respect, whatever is not worth
it.
I am concerned that if Valenecontinues his path of trying to
be whatever you know, his mother, his counselor, all these
things that a wife could be butdoesn't necessarily need to be
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For Gary.
I think we're going to losesomething very, very special.
She's got the grit, she's gotthe know-how, she's country
dumbing people.
She doesn't miss a damn thing.
She sees all of this.
She's she's highly intelligentkind of underneath this twang,
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there's something very specialthere and I see it fleeting.
I don't like that.
And let's be real, we don'tfully know Valene's backstory at
this point.
We sort of know Gary's and Ican be honest with myself and
say, ok, I get it.
This man is, has never beenable to prove himself.
He's been called everything buta child of God, and you know
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what?
Damn it.
He's a good businessman, he issmart, he's savvy, but we are
getting to witness in real timehis realization that he's
willing to.
He's willing, pardon me, towheel and deal and do things
that are a little bit dirty.
All the things he thought hehated about his family are the
things he's having to battle Ontop of that.
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He knows this woman has seenhim at his very worst.
She knows his history.
She knows who he is at hisworst and that's got to be hard
to face every day.
I will give him grace this onetime.
Don't ever ask me to do itagain, because I ain't gonna do
it With Valene.
We don't really know other thanher.
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You know tumultuous childhood,being completely and totally
abandoned by anyone she's everdeeply loved, having her child
ripped from her.
But she pulled herself backfrom that, mind you.
No one helped her.
She figured out a way to getback into Lucy's life and then
Gary was a bonus, I really think, for her.
She's trying to rewrite historyand sometimes you just got to
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drop that off exactly where it'sat.
I felt like she was gettingstronger.
She was kind of finding herfooting.
She was finding more purpose innon-slanding.
You can see how fragile she is.
You can see how important it isfor her to have children.
Oh, I don't know.
I'm saying all this to say Idon't think them together to
people who are reallydiscovering themselves, who are
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really growing.
They have they're growing apart.
It is as plain as day to me.
They are growing apart.
Dare I say it, meeting someonewhen you're 15 plus, you know,
15 years old, this maybe wasnever going to be anything.
I don't even think it's allthat damn sad.
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I think I don't want to see mygirl's heart drop kicked, but
also I think staying there,stagnant in this sort of
underdeveloped form is nevergoing to be what it could be.
I think there's more of avalley, I don't know what,
though that's the thing Istruggle with.
It's very clear that Gary isgood at his work.
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He's good at the things he does.
Years ago I worked at a bankwith this girl who was raised in
New Mexico.
Her family had this farm andshe was a farmer ranch.
I guess it was a ranch, and itwas like this, this piece of
pride for her dad.
For him to point around is likehey, look at what my girl can
do.
Rebecca can handle all thesethings.
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You know she does work.
She's a smart girl.
Her dad had also told her youcan have the family of a
lifetime or you can have thework of a lifetime.
Her dad did not believe in both, so to him, having this
wonderful daughter, who wasreally good on the ranch, was
secondary to the ranch.
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I feel like with Gary it mightbe that same mentality.
You can have the love of a lifeor you can have this sort of
career, proving yourself thatway, and if you look at Jock, I
kind of see the same thing garyneeds to prove is the all the
love valine can pour into him.
All the love his mother has forhim is moot if he can't prove
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to the world that he is a worthyman, that look what I can
produce, look how smart I am,look what I can and that's not a
bad thing, damn it.
I have a little bit of empathyfor him this episode or last
episode.
I still don't like it.
I still think something willpop off between he and Abby
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because Abby wants it.
My mind always goes back to thewhole Judy thing.
Judy and he happened becauseshe felt she made him feel
important.
That's the thing.
He kept that quiet.
I feel like they were.
They had a whole.
It wasn't just an up and down,rub me, up and down,
touchy-feely situation in themoonshine shack seemed like that
, was like a.
Let me think about this.
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Let me pretend to go find thisman, but I'm really going up
here to sleep with this woman,so I know it's in them.
I think it's a little fresh.
But that the affair that is myoriginal point stands, I don't
think.
I think this would be a greattime at least, if not now, in
the very near future.
I think Val and he are bothgrowing.
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They're growing apart.
Never really bought the lovestory.
Let me be very clear, though Iftheir marriage dissipates
because of this new fresh affair, I'm going to lose my ish.
This is Brenda and mother lovingLuke.
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No, this is the Brenda, kellyand Dylan thing.
All over again.
It's so incrediblydisrespectful.
That is what I am upset about.
If Al leaves on her own accord,fine.
If Gary leaves on his ownaccord, fine, but what you will
not do is gallivant secretly infront of or behind her back with
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this woman whose children shetakes care of like they are her
own.
I will not become the nanny inmy own love story.
That's the part that's goingpiss me off.
It's irrelevant at this point.
It really is.
Hey, is val still in school?
I just realized I hadn't reallyseen her with any books or
anything since lily may told herit was kind of a waste of time.
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I hope she didn't heed thatadvice.
This is what I'm talking about.
You gotta scrape some of thesepeople off.
Val Val, everybody that comesin her life.
She's shrinking back Hell.
I don't know, maybe it's summer.
I just realized I hadn't seenher in school.
She seems to be home a lot morelately.
You know who else is not inschool.
Ginger, and that's what thiswhole episode sort of revolved
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around Ginger and Kenny and babytwo names and a little bit of
heartbreak for Karen.
Let's go ahead and jump into it.
Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk on the ins and outs of BS
relationships on.
I think I'm just let me justcalm down, it's just so messy,
it's just so messy.
Someone else also kind ofpointed out to me.
They're like is it the way thatthat Ted Shackleford plays Gary
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that bugs you?
I think there's always kind ofthere.
I don't know.
I like it and I think I canunderstand that.
He's the strong, silent type.
He's kind of quiet, he'snothing really say a lot, but
it's.
I didn't find the other onepouty, but of course he wasn't
there very long.
It's something about him andKenny that just kind of just
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hits me just just a little bitwrong Sometimes.
I will say on this episode Ihad no problem with Gary
whatsoever.
I'm very curious as to what,what order they recorded all
these.
It feels a little bit like a,like a season one of one of the
other shows where they're justkind of throwing things up
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against the wall.
Only there's a familiaritywithin it and I guess that would
be the case.
If we're just doing a showabout people who live in a
cul-de-sac Now there's notalways going to be a bunch of
excitement.
Sometimes they're just doingmundane things or just living
their lives with their neighbors.
This episode opens up with LilyMae and some fellas sitting at
the car table.
I will say I really enjoy Ihate to admit this because he's
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on my list, but I enjoy the wayGary enjoys Lily Mae.
He gets a kick out of her.
It reminds me of my cousinwho's no longer with us.
He just kind of this boyishgrin.
He would kind of get his momriled up every now and again and
he'd just laugh and I just Ijust miss that about him and I I
see that in in Gary'srelationship with Lily Mae.
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It cracks me up.
So they're out there playingcards.
Ginger's in the kitchen withVal who's holding a baby now I'm
thinking she's holding a propbaby.
To my surprise, baby two namesis a phenomenal actress.
She like well, she likes Val.
She doesn't seem to like hermother.
This episode isn't all that deepbut it presents a really
interesting question.
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So there's a guy at the thecard table seems to be a pal of
Richard's.
Now I don't know, he's one ofthe guys who was in Hotel Motel,
holiday inn when all thehookers came running.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, Idon't really remember them like
that, but he's, he's over thehouse and uh, karen shows up
because laura called her over.
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She's like hey, what I mean,what do you need?
Laura's acting all dumb.
It's very, it's very clearly aploy to get karen to come over
so that she can meet this guy.
Karen, for being a widow forless than a year she has got
half the.
She's had a lot of gentlemencallers, am I right?
Karen is hot stuff.
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She's a little irritated thatnobody told her they were trying
to set her up and I don't knowwhat the hell it is with
pigtails on this episode.
I'm assuming that was in voguein 1981.
It looks fine.
But there are two sets ofpigtails on this episode.
I'm assuming that was in voguein 1981.
It looks fine.
But there are two sets ofpigtails on this episode that
are okay If that's what y'allwant to do.
That's what I want to do.
So Karen feels a little bitblindsided that when she walks
in there's this random new guy.
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It's very clear they're tryingto set her up and she's just
like, okay, fine, next time justgive me a little heads up, me
time to think about.
Let me put on some lipstick andlike a blouse before I show up
and and we'll see where thatgoes.
It could seem like they'repushing the ball a little bit
too soon, but when you thinkabout it, karen's had at least
two or three different people ather house at this point.
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So the gang the gang seems tothink she is open to dating.
Through a series of very mundanedates and some tears in her
bedroom, we find out that sheisn't quite ready for that.
She doesn't want to date anyonebut Sid.
She hasn't been on a date withanyone.
She hasn't had like a realrelationship since she's 21
years old, excuse me.
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She hasn't had to build a newrelationship since she's like 21
years old.
She is charming enough.
I will say this if this was myfriend, I would be eager to set
her up with somebody too,because she comes off so strong.
She seems like she's really gotit together.
She's fun, she's funny, buthe's just kind of stiff.
She's at one point she's cryingin her bedroom.
Or Diana walks out wearing hersilk blouse and Karen's like hey
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, stop wearing my clothes, takeit off.
Then she bust out crying on thebed.
She's just not ready.
That's the long and short of it, and it's interesting to see on
this episode, how her kidsreact.
Diana, to my surprise, is likemom, you're going to need to
date at some point.
It's okay, like you're notdoing anything wrong.
It's okay, you shouldn't reallybe alone.
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Like you're a young mom, youhave a whole life in front of
you.
No reason for you to spend italone.
Take your time, but go aheadand spend it with somebody, it's
okay.
Eric, the middle boy, after he,you know, he talks to Richard's
friend who works with them.
He notices that he has thislittle two seater car I forgot.
These kids and this family areprobably a little bit
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traumatized.
So Eric takes on the role ofSid, sort of like okay, mom,
don't let him drive you too fast, make sure you're home in time.
He's more of the sort of fatherfigure.
He's okay with the dating.
Just please be careful whenyou're out and about.
Now the baby Michael is likemom, we're fine.
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Like we're finally fine.
Do you really need to go outwith someone?
Do you really need to bringsomeone else into this.
So it's very interesting to seethe family dynamic.
I'm glad that they give eachchild like a different opinion
and everybody's right.
She can definitely move on.
It's it's only right.
She shouldn't spend the rest ofher life alone if she does not
want to.
She should be cautious.
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She should be careful with themen she chooses to date and
their lifestyle.
Make sure that they kind of fitand also they are okay, they
are becoming okay with their newnormal.
Whoever she ends up with isgoing to have to be really,
really special.
This guy was kind of a stiff.
I knew immediately he's.
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He's way too uptight for her.
This is never, ever, ever goingto work.
So the same card game, genderand valine are in the kitchen.
Gender's basically saying thatshe's.
I feel like she's a little bitbored.
It seems like that before shejust wants to get out.
And if you've never stayed athome with a kid or stayed at
home but just take care ofanyone to mend a leg, if you've
broken it or just needing tokind of be inside, it can be a
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little bit isolating, especiallyif you had a different routine
before that.
Jinder used to go to work everyday.
She's a kindergarten teachershaping the minds of the baby
Gen Xers, and now she's at homewith this baby.
I would be very, veryinterested to know if teachers
go through this, teachers whoare either working a full-time
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job and then decide to stay home, or the reverse Ladies who'd
been at home for a little bitdecide to go back.
I can kind of see Ginger'spoint as the episode goes on,
but she's she's admiring Karen,she's admiring Laura, like, look
at them, they have something todo all day.
She's adjusting to being babytwo names mom, but ultimately I
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need something to do.
Baby two names is kind ofboring at this point, which is
fair.
He's a little bit sleepy, youknow.
So in the living room somebodycalls for kenny over at I guess
they're at laura and richard'shouse and he gets.
He picks up the phone hello, ohmy gosh, are you kidding me?
Well, tell her to wheel downthere.
She's got to work, she it's,it's over the top, and it's that
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thing that makes me think.
What is he kidding?
What are you?
I don't know.
It's something goofy about him.
I can't quite put my finger onwhat it is.
So he hangs up and he's likewell, my session singer isn't
gonna show up.
What am I gonna do?
Isn't going to show up.
What am I going to do, sir?
First off, you suck.
You suck terribly.
How are you a whole recordproducer but you don't have a
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whole Rolodex of women dying tocome, men or women, session
singers, people dying to come in.
But Richard called you one timeand you've had 16 different
flavors of hookers in 15 minutes, but you don't have singers and
that's your whole profession.
A little bit questionable,that's all I'm saying.
Lily may hears him on the phonein duress and says hey, well,
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what kind of music is it?
He's not even thinking well,it's kind of country and they
catches them.
So he's oh no, no, I mean likeit's modern.
Someone says it's oh no, no, Imean like it's modern.
Someone says well, hey, whydon't you let ginger sing it?
Lily may is like ginger.
Ginger ain't no professional,don't you want a professional
singer?
And you can tell kenny is.
You know, he likes lily maywhen he really trying to mess.
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Lily may like that.
So there's a little bit of backand forth.
Lily may is like does she have?
Excuse me, I'm a professional.
Has Ginger ever had a residencyin Vegas?
I don't think so.
Has she traveled the world forthe last 20 plus years?
I don't think so.
You need a pro.
He immediately said you knowwhat, ginger, that'll work.
She goes into the session, shestarts singing and she sounds
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pretty good.
I think that's this girl's realvoice.
I think this is her real voice.
She sounds clear.
She sounds you know, she'sconvincing, she's doing all
right.
She likes it too.
It's an incredible sight too.
This dude's got a Bob Ross afroto back.
He is playing the hell out ofthat guitar and he's not really
playing that.
I'm impressed.
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He's selling it very well.
The dude sitting next to Kennyhas a full-on jerry curl.
It is beautiful.
I love it when shows put actorsinto positions that they would
never be in real life.
There's no way you're tellingme Kenny could be a producer.
He's biting his bottom lip.
It's very uh, he is.
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I don't know what song he'sbouncing to, but it's certainly
in the one that Ginger's singing.
But one of his co-workers comesin and he's like hey, you found
a real winner.
And he's clearly impressed.
Ginger's a beautiful woman.
He tells her as much man,you've got a great voice, pretty
face, you could be hot stuff.
You really should do thisprofessionally.
Oh my gosh.
Oh no, not me, who me?
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Kenny hears this.
He's you know, he's smart, he'sintelligent, he knows what this
whole music game is.
So he slinks over, make sure heplants a kiss and tells her how
terrific she is, letting Andyknow that this is this woman,
here is his wife, and she's offlimit.
Before long, ginger startsthinking you know well.
Andy says I'm a good singer.
He says I could possibly have afuture.
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Mandy says I'm a good singer.
He says I could possibly have afuture.
I want to go ahead and do thisNow.
Kenny says honey, if this hadbeen before Baby Two Names, this
would be fine.
I don't want Baby Two Namesraised by anyone but us.
She's like I know, kenny, butit was so much fun and everyone
said I did so good, it was just,it was electrifying, it was
wonderful.
I really should do this.
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And he's like well, sure youcan do it, I'll stay at home and
be the baby daddy, excuse me,I'll stay at home and be Mr Mom.
Kenny's whole thing is likelisten, we agreed that this baby
was not going to be raised by ababysitter, so you know, let's
keep your end of the bargain.
She ends up making a, not asecret appointment.
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Let me rewind a little bit.
The seed is planted in her mindhey, you could be a star by
Andy.
His name is Andy Moore.
He goes by Andy Moore, or less.
She talks to Kenny about it.
She doesn't.
He says no, we have a deal.
You need to take care of thebaby.
So one day she she goes throughhis little wallet or his
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appointment book, she getsAndy's number.
She has a secret meeting withAndy.
I don't want to use the wordsecret.
She just didn't tell.
She's literally may watch thebaby and she goes to talk to
Andy and she's like listen, I ama stay at home mom.
Currently I have a stay-at-homemom.
Currently I have a fresh baby.
My husband's not real crazyabout me doing this kind of work
and Andy's like you know what?
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He's not wrong, honestly, likethe amount of time that's going
to be taken away.
It's you're going to have toput so much into this.
It's probably not the best idea, but I mean, you're a grown
woman.
If you want to do that, cool.
Well, kenny hears about itlater on and he feels a way
because she didn't tell him.
She's like I didn't have achance to tell you.
The truth is she's like let mehave.
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She wanted to have the meetingfirst, then fill him in on the
good news and just let the chipsfall where they may.
So Kenny ends up seeking out alittle bit of advice from Gary,
gary.
Gary's like hey, listen, Idon't take sides, but to me your
wife seems bright enough to dowhatever it is she wants to do.
I'm sure if there's a way forher to be a mom and raise the
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baby the way you guys want to,she'll figure it out.
If not, she'll I mean she'llfigure it out.
I hate that.
I agree with him, but I do.
Now, on the other hand, gendergoes and she talks to Valene
about it.
Valene's like listen, I'm gonnago ahead and tell you right off
the bat I'm biased.
My mom was in and out gone allthe time chasing this dream.
Chasing the dream takes a lotout of you.
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You got to be, you got toreally make a decision on how
you want to do this.
So Kenny stands as a staunchbeliever in mothers aren't
singers, which is a little bitridiculous.
But I understand what he issaying.
Perhaps if you're a moreestablished artist, probably a
little bit easier, but on thecome up.
It's going to be a lot of work.
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We all know women make thingslike this happen all the time,
but neither one of them arewrong.
She wants to explore this newthing and, yes, I think it's
just because she's been in thehouse.
I think she's a little bitbored.
This is a new role.
The baby didn't really need alot of her attention, especially
as a woman probably coming,probably, probably especially
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probably especially someone whotaught school all day.
She basically, you know, tookcare of 25 year old children.
You know five year olds arebasically just sophisticated
toddlers.
They still need help with a lotof things.
So this is probably easierbecause her baby's pretty chill.
Either way, by the end of theepisode they have like this one
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last sort of duking it out thing.
He's like honey, I'm finally onthe up and up.
I'm about to start making big,crazy money.
My song's picking up like I'mgonna be so busy.
I've finally worked my way up.
This is what we wanted.
Don't you want to stay homewith baby?
Two names.
You have this beautiful house,this beautiful baby.
What more could you want?
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And she says something veryimportant, very poignant.
She said you have the same baby, you have the same house and
it's still not enough for you.
So please don't look at mecrazy when I want a little bit
more Fantastic point, so good.
In fact, the last thing we seeis her in the studio singing out
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this 80s rock country anthem.
Lyrics escape me, but shesounds pretty good.
I suppose the full takeaway ofthis entire episode whether
you're talking about Karen,whether you're talking about
Gary and Val, who are not inthis, like that wasn't even
about them, or whether you'retalking about ginger and kenny
and chasing dreams you're alwaysgoing to miss something you
love, whether that's a person,whether it's a career, whether
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it's your freedom, it's all.
You're going to miss somethingthat you really really care
about always.
It does not mean that you needto stay in that place.
It also means you're the onlyperson who can, who can make the
decision to move forward orstay put.
That's kind of the long andshort of it.
It was good to see Karen andher family really going through
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the stages of grief.
They're really taking theirtime with it.
They're having the rightconversations.
I'm really glad because rightafter Sid, you know they weren't
all really expressingthemselves, but it seems like
they got a really good rhythm.
Like I said, all of them areright.
All of them are correct.
Also, did you guys know thatKenny and Ginger had a kitchen?
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It's the first time I ever sawtheir kitchen.
The early 80s colorway isalways going to be questionable
to me.
I just I really don't get it,but their kitchen reminded me of
the kitchen in Problem Child.
Not entirely, but just I reallydon't get it.
But their kitchen reminded meof the kitchen in problem child.
Not entirely, but it's likethat red, that terracotta brick
color, those um, small tiles andthen they have like mint green.
Oh, doesn't matter.
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First time I ever saw theirkitchen, I found I found it
noteworthy.
That was really about it.
On this episode, this seasonseems like obviously they're
popular enough, there's afamiliarity there, but they are
trying a lot of differentstories.
I'm not mad at it.
I'm especially enjoying all themusical numbers.
I was not expecting that at all.
I wonder if they did seasonsoundtracks.
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You know how you go to a movieand they have the soundtrack.
I wonder if they did that fortv shows, because this one, I
mean, I think we got fouroriginal songs already.
All right, guys, that's enoughjaw jacking.
I hope you will join me nexttime as we jump back into
another incredible piece ofvintage prime time soap opera
debauchery in the meantime.
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In between time, be as good atyour job as you are being a
scumbag.
Please don't have more hookerson your rolodex than you do
singers.
If you are a song producer,stay hydrated, stay moisturized,
mind your business and keep allof your drama on TV.
Bye, thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome, or
welcome back to Soap Lore, theofficial gathering place for
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I'm your host, jed, reviewingand reviewing the sopiest,
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We're back on the West Coast,still doing the absolute most.
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next 25 to 35 minutes.
Everyone else in earshot, cool,quiet or kicked out are your
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys andgirls, this is Soap Floor.
Hello, gorgeous, and welcomeback to another fun post edition
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Hope your day is shaping upwell.
I hope we are all recoveringfrom whatever ailments, whatever
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This is the place to kick offyour shoes, relax, enjoy your
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No question about it, I'mcompletely convinced, completely
hooked.
I'm your host, jet, who isslowly working my way through
all of the vintage primetimesoap operas I've never got to
enjoy.
We are back on Knott's Landing.
You're probably like Jet.
This formula seems a little bitoff.
It is because.
Here's how I'm thinking this.
Putting this through Real lifeis super busy.
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I think I'm finally at a placewhere I can sit and record like
I'd like to.
However, vintage primetime soapopera is not created equal.
Some shows have shorter seasons.
Some shows have longer seasons.
I don't really understand why,but we're going to go with it
because I trust the process bythis point.
(02:03):
So Falcon Crest and Knott'sLanding are going to kind of be
neighbors for a little bit untiltheir seasons are done.
We should finish about the sametime.
Dallas, I believe, has theshortest season, and then
Dynasty will get all thattogether all at once.
And for old time's sake, Istill like comparing apples to
apples, oranges to oranges.
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I want to know what you guysthink of season four thus far.
Whether you're an OG or anewbie enjoying this, I am
loving going through this withyou guys because my schedule is
a little I'm a little behind, soyou're going to hear this a lot
closer to the time I record it.
You're probably going to hearthis the very next day.
I'm still going through somefan mail.
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Ie I like to just call.
These are my friends.
I picture us as I saw my auntand her homegirls talking to
each other over the fence likewait a minute, did you watch
this?
Do you know something I don'tknow?
Tell me all the tea.
Don't give me any spoilers, butgive me the tea because I love
hearing this.
It gives a lot of perspectiveto something that I still don't
feel like I'm comfortable enoughresearching.
(03:08):
I want to keep this as pure aspossible.
So far, so good.
I've had a couple of peoplemention that they feel like
Dawson's Creek might be awatered down version of Knott's
Landing.
I am not seeing that watereddown version of Knott's Landing.
I am not seeing that.
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I want to say I've had at leastI said, a couple.
I think there's four differentemails and we've talked back and
forth.
I don't see that.
Do you guys see that?
I felt like I, mind you, Idon't remember all of Dawson's
Creek, but not only it, being ateen show, I think just just the
premise was similar, becausewe're all in the same town,
we're all kind of sharingpartners at some point.
(03:50):
But I don't fully see it.
I'm going to give it a littlebit more time.
I'd also like to chat with youguys about the previous episode,
which was a total and completeshocker.
So you better believe I dideverything I needed to do to
make sure I had no spoilers onepisode 12.
I'm not saying that I was tooharsh with Gary.
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That's not at all how I feel.
I probably have a hot take.
I don't see Val and Gary as acouple.
I just don't.
I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say it.
I understand we needed them tobe a couple so that we can have
this whole beautiful spinoff,and I'm glad it happened.
However, let me just addressthe obvious first.
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Let me just let me address themost recent information first.
Up until this time, yes, we asthe audience were privy to the
fact that Abby was a little bitsweet on him.
To me this is my fault for notclocking this a little more.
She seemed to be over.
That Didn't really, didn'treally take Abby, as I'm into
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one person and one person only,type of girl.
I.
I personally, jet did not takethat seriously and that's my own
fault Did not take thatseriously and that's my own
fault.
However, I have never, not onetime, thought that Gary gave a
damn about Abby, even in thisepisode.
Yes, he's very much moreinterested in her, but he's
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interested in her ideas.
It's new, it's bubbly, it'sbright, it's something he can
kind of latch on to.
Someone sees his vision,someone agrees with him.
He seems very, very happy.
Because of that, however, I'mlike I didn't really think he
was into her at some point andthat's why, in my mind, I didn't
really give it an opportunityto fester.
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Granted, when she went andjumped in that front seat, when
he was pretending to be Olivia'sdad at the little, what was it?
A daddy daughter night?
I thought it was messed up.
Even though Lily Mae gave awarning, I didn't really heed it
.
I'm like I could see Val'sheart drop and my stomach kind
of dropped too.
I think I chalked it.
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I don't know.
I mean, I know she wants him.
That's the thing.
I think.
If a bad girl wants a guy,she's going to get him.
I don't think there's very muchyou can do.
The last episode pissed me offso much because it wasn't
necessarily the passionate kissand let me be very clear.
He was rubbing her up and down,up and down, like she was a
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genie in a bottle.
So I'm not going to be like ohAbby, put it on him.
He got caught up in.
The moment is what it feelslike to me, because up until
then he doesn't see, he doesn'teven seem to like her.
I'm saying no interestwhatsoever.
She seems to be someone he cansee through Is the vibe I've
always gotten, but on this lastepisode, that kiss wasn't just a
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, it was a whole up and like.
It seemed like they were in alittle bootleg barn for a minute
.
I don't like it.
It's not just that, though.
It's that he came back home andhe gaslit Valene.
Oh, my God, are you jealous?
You know something's going onNow.
Granted, I understand humannature.
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You're going to want to protectyour own butt.
There's ways of protectingyourself without gaslighting her
, and I think that brings me tomy conclusion.
Yes, he had an affair.
Yes, he had that.
We're all grown.
You can get over those things.
You can work through thosethings.
There's many reasons why peopledo the things they do.
For me, it's that the eggshellshe needs to walk on for just
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the minimal amount of attention,respect, whatever is not worth
it.
I am concerned that if Valenecontinues his path of trying to
be whatever you know, his mother, his counselor, all these
things that a wife could be butdoesn't necessarily need to be
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For Gary.
I think we're going to losesomething very, very special.
She's got the grit, she's gotthe know-how, she's country
dumbing people.
She doesn't miss a damn thing.
She sees all of this.
She's she's highly intelligentkind of underneath this twang,
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there's something very specialthere and I see it fleeting.
I don't like that.
And let's be real, we don'tfully know Valene's backstory at
this point.
We sort of know Gary's and Ican be honest with myself and
say, ok, I get it.
This man is, has never beenable to prove himself.
He's been called everything buta child of God, and you know
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what?
Damn it.
He's a good businessman, he issmart, he's savvy, but we are
getting to witness in real timehis realization that he's
willing to.
He's willing, pardon me, towheel and deal and do things
that are a little bit dirty.
All the things he thought hehated about his family are the
things he's having to battle Ontop of that.
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He knows this woman has seenhim at his very worst.
She knows his history.
She knows who he is at hisworst and that's got to be hard
to face every day.
I will give him grace this onetime.
Don't ever ask me to do itagain, because I ain't gonna do
it With Valene.
We don't really know other thanher.
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You know tumultuous childhood,being completely and totally
abandoned by anyone she's everdeeply loved, having her child
ripped from her.
But she pulled herself backfrom that, mind you.
No one helped her.
She figured out a way to getback into Lucy's life and then
Gary was a bonus, I really think, for her.
She's trying to rewrite historyand sometimes you just got to
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drop that off exactly where it'sat.
I felt like she was gettingstronger.
She was kind of finding herfooting.
She was finding more purpose innon-slanding.
You can see how fragile she is.
You can see how important it isfor her to have children.
Oh, I don't know.
I'm saying all this to say Idon't think them together to
people who are reallydiscovering themselves, who are
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really growing.
They have they're growing apart.
It is as plain as day to me.
They are growing apart.
Dare I say it, meeting someonewhen you're 15 plus, you know,
15 years old, this maybe wasnever going to be anything.
I don't even think it's allthat damn sad.
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I think I don't want to see mygirl's heart drop kicked, but
also I think staying there,stagnant in this sort of
underdeveloped form is nevergoing to be what it could be.
I think there's more of avalley, I don't know what,
though that's the thing Istruggle with.
It's very clear that Gary isgood at his work.
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He's good at the things he does.
Years ago I worked at a bankwith this girl who was raised in
New Mexico.
Her family had this farm andshe was a farmer ranch.
I guess it was a ranch, and itwas like this, this piece of
pride for her dad.
For him to point around is likehey, look at what my girl can
do.
Rebecca can handle all thesethings.
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You know she does work.
She's a smart girl.
Her dad had also told her youcan have the family of a
lifetime or you can have thework of a lifetime.
Her dad did not believe in both, so to him, having this
wonderful daughter, who wasreally good on the ranch, was
secondary to the ranch.
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I feel like with Gary it mightbe that same mentality.
You can have the love of a lifeor you can have this sort of
career, proving yourself thatway, and if you look at Jock, I
kind of see the same thing garyneeds to prove is the all the
love valine can pour into him.
All the love his mother has forhim is moot if he can't prove
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to the world that he is a worthyman, that look what I can
produce, look how smart I am,look what I can and that's not a
bad thing, damn it.
I have a little bit of empathyfor him this episode or last
episode.
I still don't like it.
I still think something willpop off between he and Abby
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because Abby wants it.
My mind always goes back to thewhole Judy thing.
Judy and he happened becauseshe felt she made him feel
important.
That's the thing.
He kept that quiet.
I feel like they were.
They had a whole.
It wasn't just an up and down,rub me, up and down,
touchy-feely situation in themoonshine shack seemed like that
, was like a.
Let me think about this.
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Let me pretend to go find thisman, but I'm really going up
here to sleep with this woman,so I know it's in them.
I think it's a little fresh.
But that the affair that is myoriginal point stands, I don't
think.
I think this would be a greattime at least, if not now, in
the very near future.
I think Val and he are bothgrowing.
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They're growing apart.
Never really bought the lovestory.
Let me be very clear, though Iftheir marriage dissipates
because of this new fresh affair, I'm going to lose my ish.
This is Brenda and mother lovingLuke.
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No, this is the Brenda, kellyand Dylan thing.
All over again.
It's so incrediblydisrespectful.
That is what I am upset about.
If Al leaves on her own accord,fine.
If Gary leaves on his ownaccord, fine, but what you will
not do is gallivant secretly infront of or behind her back with
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this woman whose children shetakes care of like they are her
own.
I will not become the nanny inmy own love story.
That's the part that's goingpiss me off.
It's irrelevant at this point.
It really is.
Hey, is val still in school?
I just realized I hadn't reallyseen her with any books or
anything since lily may told herit was kind of a waste of time.
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I hope she didn't heed thatadvice.
This is what I'm talking about.
You gotta scrape some of thesepeople off.
Val Val, everybody that comesin her life.
She's shrinking back Hell.
I don't know, maybe it's summer.
I just realized I hadn't seenher in school.
She seems to be home a lot morelately.
You know who else is not inschool.
Ginger, and that's what thiswhole episode sort of revolved
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around Ginger and Kenny and babytwo names and a little bit of
heartbreak for Karen.
Let's go ahead and jump into it.
Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk on the ins and outs of BS
relationships on.
I think I'm just let me justcalm down, it's just so messy,
it's just so messy.
Someone else also kind ofpointed out to me.
They're like is it the way thatthat Ted Shackleford plays Gary
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that bugs you?
I think there's always kind ofthere.
I don't know.
I like it and I think I canunderstand that.
He's the strong, silent type.
He's kind of quiet, he'snothing really say a lot, but
it's.
I didn't find the other onepouty, but of course he wasn't
there very long.
It's something about him andKenny that just kind of just
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hits me just just a little bitwrong Sometimes.
I will say on this episode Ihad no problem with Gary
whatsoever.
I'm very curious as to what,what order they recorded all
these.
It feels a little bit like a,like a season one of one of the
other shows where they're justkind of throwing things up
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against the wall.
Only there's a familiaritywithin it and I guess that would
be the case.
If we're just doing a showabout people who live in a
cul-de-sac Now there's notalways going to be a bunch of
excitement.
Sometimes they're just doingmundane things or just living
their lives with their neighbors.
This episode opens up with LilyMae and some fellas sitting at
the car table.
I will say I really enjoy Ihate to admit this because he's
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on my list, but I enjoy the wayGary enjoys Lily Mae.
He gets a kick out of her.
It reminds me of my cousinwho's no longer with us.
He just kind of this boyishgrin.
He would kind of get his momriled up every now and again and
he'd just laugh and I just Ijust miss that about him and I I
see that in in Gary'srelationship with Lily Mae.
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It cracks me up.
So they're out there playingcards.
Ginger's in the kitchen withVal who's holding a baby now I'm
thinking she's holding a propbaby.
To my surprise, baby two namesis a phenomenal actress.
She like well, she likes Val.
She doesn't seem to like hermother.
This episode isn't all that deepbut it presents a really
interesting question.
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So there's a guy at the thecard table seems to be a pal of
Richard's.
Now I don't know, he's one ofthe guys who was in Hotel Motel,
holiday inn when all thehookers came running.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, Idon't really remember them like
that, but he's, he's over thehouse and uh, karen shows up
because laura called her over.
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She's like hey, what I mean,what do you need?
Laura's acting all dumb.
It's very, it's very clearly aploy to get karen to come over
so that she can meet this guy.
Karen, for being a widow forless than a year she has got
half the.
She's had a lot of gentlemencallers, am I right?
Karen is hot stuff.
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She's a little irritated thatnobody told her they were trying
to set her up and I don't knowwhat the hell it is with
pigtails on this episode.
I'm assuming that was in voguein 1981.
It looks fine.
But there are two sets ofpigtails on this episode.
I'm assuming that was in voguein 1981.
It looks fine.
But there are two sets ofpigtails on this episode that
are okay If that's what y'allwant to do.
That's what I want to do.
So Karen feels a little bitblindsided that when she walks
in there's this random new guy.
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It's very clear they're tryingto set her up and she's just
like, okay, fine, next time justgive me a little heads up, me
time to think about.
Let me put on some lipstick andlike a blouse before I show up
and and we'll see where thatgoes.
It could seem like they'repushing the ball a little bit
too soon, but when you thinkabout it, karen's had at least
two or three different people ather house at this point.
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So the gang the gang seems tothink she is open to dating.
Through a series of very mundanedates and some tears in her
bedroom, we find out that sheisn't quite ready for that.
She doesn't want to date anyonebut Sid.
She hasn't been on a date withanyone.
She hasn't had like a realrelationship since she's 21
years old, excuse me.
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She hasn't had to build a newrelationship since she's like 21
years old.
She is charming enough.
I will say this if this was myfriend, I would be eager to set
her up with somebody too,because she comes off so strong.
She seems like she's really gotit together.
She's fun, she's funny, buthe's just kind of stiff.
She's at one point she's cryingin her bedroom.
Or Diana walks out wearing hersilk blouse and Karen's like hey
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, stop wearing my clothes, takeit off.
Then she bust out crying on thebed.
She's just not ready.
That's the long and short of it, and it's interesting to see on
this episode, how her kidsreact.
Diana, to my surprise, is likemom, you're going to need to
date at some point.
It's okay, like you're notdoing anything wrong.
It's okay, you shouldn't reallybe alone.
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Like you're a young mom, youhave a whole life in front of
you.
No reason for you to spend italone.
Take your time, but go aheadand spend it with somebody, it's
okay.
Eric, the middle boy, after he,you know, he talks to Richard's
friend who works with them.
He notices that he has thislittle two seater car I forgot.
These kids and this family areprobably a little bit
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traumatized.
So Eric takes on the role ofSid, sort of like okay, mom,
don't let him drive you too fast, make sure you're home in time.
He's more of the sort of fatherfigure.
He's okay with the dating.
Just please be careful whenyou're out and about.
Now the baby Michael is likemom, we're fine.
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Like we're finally fine.
Do you really need to go outwith someone?
Do you really need to bringsomeone else into this.
So it's very interesting to seethe family dynamic.
I'm glad that they give eachchild like a different opinion
and everybody's right.
She can definitely move on.
It's it's only right.
She shouldn't spend the rest ofher life alone if she does not
want to.
She should be cautious.
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She should be careful with themen she chooses to date and
their lifestyle.
Make sure that they kind of fitand also they are okay, they
are becoming okay with their newnormal.
Whoever she ends up with isgoing to have to be really,
really special.
This guy was kind of a stiff.
I knew immediately he's.
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He's way too uptight for her.
This is never, ever, ever goingto work.
So the same card game, genderand valine are in the kitchen.
Gender's basically saying thatshe's.
I feel like she's a little bitbored.
It seems like that before shejust wants to get out.
And if you've never stayed athome with a kid or stayed at
home but just take care ofanyone to mend a leg, if you've
broken it or just needing tokind of be inside, it can be a
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little bit isolating, especiallyif you had a different routine
before that.
Jinder used to go to work everyday.
She's a kindergarten teachershaping the minds of the baby
Gen Xers, and now she's at homewith this baby.
I would be very, veryinterested to know if teachers
go through this, teachers whoare either working a full-time
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job and then decide to stay home, or the reverse Ladies who'd
been at home for a little bitdecide to go back.
I can kind of see Ginger'spoint as the episode goes on,
but she's she's admiring Karen,she's admiring Laura, like, look
at them, they have something todo all day.
She's adjusting to being babytwo names mom, but ultimately I
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need something to do.
Baby two names is kind ofboring at this point, which is
fair.
He's a little bit sleepy, youknow.
So in the living room somebodycalls for kenny over at I guess
they're at laura and richard'shouse and he gets.
He picks up the phone hello, ohmy gosh, are you kidding me?
Well, tell her to wheel downthere.
She's got to work, she it's,it's over the top, and it's that
(21:46):
thing that makes me think.
What is he kidding?
What are you?
I don't know.
It's something goofy about him.
I can't quite put my finger onwhat it is.
So he hangs up and he's likewell, my session singer isn't
gonna show up.
What am I gonna do?
Isn't going to show up.
What am I going to do, sir?
First off, you suck.
You suck terribly.
How are you a whole recordproducer but you don't have a
(22:13):
whole Rolodex of women dying tocome, men or women, session
singers, people dying to come in.
But Richard called you one timeand you've had 16 different
flavors of hookers in 15 minutes, but you don't have singers and
that's your whole profession.
A little bit questionable,that's all I'm saying.
Lily may hears him on the phonein duress and says hey, well,
(22:34):
what kind of music is it?
He's not even thinking well,it's kind of country and they
catches them.
So he's oh no, no, I mean likeit's modern.
Someone says it's oh no, no, Imean like it's modern.
Someone says well, hey, whydon't you let ginger sing it?
Lily may is like ginger.
Ginger ain't no professional,don't you want a professional
singer?
And you can tell kenny is.
You know, he likes lily maywhen he really trying to mess.
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Lily may like that.
So there's a little bit of backand forth.
Lily may is like does she have?
Excuse me, I'm a professional.
Has Ginger ever had a residencyin Vegas?
I don't think so.
Has she traveled the world forthe last 20 plus years?
I don't think so.
You need a pro.
He immediately said you knowwhat, ginger, that'll work.
She goes into the session, shestarts singing and she sounds
(23:17):
pretty good.
I think that's this girl's realvoice.
I think this is her real voice.
She sounds clear.
She sounds you know, she'sconvincing, she's doing all
right.
She likes it too.
It's an incredible sight too.
This dude's got a Bob Ross afroto back.
He is playing the hell out ofthat guitar and he's not really
playing that.
I'm impressed.
(23:37):
He's selling it very well.
The dude sitting next to Kennyhas a full-on jerry curl.
It is beautiful.
I love it when shows put actorsinto positions that they would
never be in real life.
There's no way you're tellingme Kenny could be a producer.
He's biting his bottom lip.
It's very uh, he is.
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I don't know what song he'sbouncing to, but it's certainly
in the one that Ginger's singing.
But one of his co-workers comesin and he's like hey, you found
a real winner.
And he's clearly impressed.
Ginger's a beautiful woman.
He tells her as much man,you've got a great voice, pretty
face, you could be hot stuff.
You really should do thisprofessionally.
Oh my gosh.
Oh no, not me, who me?
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Kenny hears this.
He's you know, he's smart, he'sintelligent, he knows what this
whole music game is.
So he slinks over, make sure heplants a kiss and tells her how
terrific she is, letting Andyknow that this is this woman,
here is his wife, and she's offlimit.
Before long, ginger startsthinking you know well.
Andy says I'm a good singer.
He says I could possibly have afuture.
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Mandy says I'm a good singer.
He says I could possibly have afuture.
I want to go ahead and do thisNow.
Kenny says honey, if this hadbeen before Baby Two Names, this
would be fine.
I don't want Baby Two Namesraised by anyone but us.
She's like I know, kenny, butit was so much fun and everyone
said I did so good, it was just,it was electrifying, it was
wonderful.
I really should do this.
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And he's like well, sure youcan do it, I'll stay at home and
be the baby daddy, excuse me,I'll stay at home and be Mr Mom.
Kenny's whole thing is likelisten, we agreed that this baby
was not going to be raised by ababysitter, so you know, let's
keep your end of the bargain.
She ends up making a, not asecret appointment.
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Let me rewind a little bit.
The seed is planted in her mindhey, you could be a star by
Andy.
His name is Andy Moore.
He goes by Andy Moore, or less.
She talks to Kenny about it.
She doesn't.
He says no, we have a deal.
You need to take care of thebaby.
So one day she she goes throughhis little wallet or his
(25:50):
appointment book, she getsAndy's number.
She has a secret meeting withAndy.
I don't want to use the wordsecret.
She just didn't tell.
She's literally may watch thebaby and she goes to talk to
Andy and she's like listen, I ama stay at home mom.
Currently I have a stay-at-homemom.
Currently I have a fresh baby.
My husband's not real crazyabout me doing this kind of work
and Andy's like you know what?
(26:10):
He's not wrong, honestly, likethe amount of time that's going
to be taken away.
It's you're going to have toput so much into this.
It's probably not the best idea, but I mean, you're a grown
woman.
If you want to do that, cool.
Well, kenny hears about itlater on and he feels a way
because she didn't tell him.
She's like I didn't have achance to tell you.
The truth is she's like let mehave.
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She wanted to have the meetingfirst, then fill him in on the
good news and just let the chipsfall where they may.
So Kenny ends up seeking out alittle bit of advice from Gary,
gary.
Gary's like hey, listen, Idon't take sides, but to me your
wife seems bright enough to dowhatever it is she wants to do.
I'm sure if there's a way forher to be a mom and raise the
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baby the way you guys want to,she'll figure it out.
If not, she'll I mean she'llfigure it out.
I hate that.
I agree with him, but I do.
Now, on the other hand, gendergoes and she talks to Valene
about it.
Valene's like listen, I'm gonnago ahead and tell you right off
the bat I'm biased.
My mom was in and out gone allthe time chasing this dream.
Chasing the dream takes a lotout of you.
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You got to be, you got toreally make a decision on how
you want to do this.
So Kenny stands as a staunchbeliever in mothers aren't
singers, which is a little bitridiculous.
But I understand what he issaying.
Perhaps if you're a moreestablished artist, probably a
little bit easier, but on thecome up.
It's going to be a lot of work.
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We all know women make thingslike this happen all the time,
but neither one of them arewrong.
She wants to explore this newthing and, yes, I think it's
just because she's been in thehouse.
I think she's a little bitbored.
This is a new role.
The baby didn't really need alot of her attention, especially
as a woman probably coming,probably, probably especially
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probably especially someone whotaught school all day.
She basically, you know, tookcare of 25 year old children.
You know five year olds arebasically just sophisticated
toddlers.
They still need help with a lotof things.
So this is probably easierbecause her baby's pretty chill.
Either way, by the end of theepisode they have like this one
(28:19):
last sort of duking it out thing.
He's like honey, I'm finally onthe up and up.
I'm about to start making big,crazy money.
My song's picking up like I'mgonna be so busy.
I've finally worked my way up.
This is what we wanted.
Don't you want to stay homewith baby?
Two names.
You have this beautiful house,this beautiful baby.
What more could you want?
(28:40):
And she says something veryimportant, very poignant.
She said you have the same baby, you have the same house and
it's still not enough for you.
So please don't look at mecrazy when I want a little bit
more Fantastic point, so good.
In fact, the last thing we seeis her in the studio singing out
(29:08):
this 80s rock country anthem.
Lyrics escape me, but shesounds pretty good.
I suppose the full takeaway ofthis entire episode whether
you're talking about Karen,whether you're talking about
Gary and Val, who are not inthis, like that wasn't even
about them, or whether you'retalking about ginger and kenny
and chasing dreams you're alwaysgoing to miss something you
love, whether that's a person,whether it's a career, whether
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it's your freedom, it's all.
You're going to miss somethingthat you really really care
about always.
It does not mean that you needto stay in that place.
It also means you're the onlyperson who can, who can make the
decision to move forward orstay put.
That's kind of the long andshort of it.
It was good to see Karen andher family really going through
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the stages of grief.
They're really taking theirtime with it.
They're having the rightconversations.
I'm really glad because rightafter Sid, you know they weren't
all really expressingthemselves, but it seems like
they got a really good rhythm.
Like I said, all of them areright.
All of them are correct.
Also, did you guys know thatKenny and Ginger had a kitchen?
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It's the first time I ever sawtheir kitchen.
The early 80s colorway isalways going to be questionable
to me.
I just I really don't get it,but their kitchen reminded me of
the kitchen in Problem Child.
Not entirely, but just I reallydon't get it.
But their kitchen reminded meof the kitchen in problem child.
Not entirely, but it's likethat red, that terracotta brick
color, those um, small tiles andthen they have like mint green.
Oh, doesn't matter.
(30:35):
First time I ever saw theirkitchen, I found I found it
noteworthy.
That was really about it.
On this episode, this seasonseems like obviously they're
popular enough, there's afamiliarity there, but they are
trying a lot of differentstories.
I'm not mad at it.
I'm especially enjoying all themusical numbers.
I was not expecting that at all.
I wonder if they did seasonsoundtracks.
(30:56):
You know how you go to a movieand they have the soundtrack.
I wonder if they did that fortv shows, because this one, I
mean, I think we got fouroriginal songs already.
All right, guys, that's enoughjaw jacking.
I hope you will join me nexttime as we jump back into
another incredible piece ofvintage prime time soap opera
debauchery in the meantime.
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In between time, be as good atyour job as you are being a
scumbag.
Please don't have more hookerson your rolodex than you do
singers.
If you are a song producer,stay hydrated, stay moisturized,
mind your business and keep allof your drama on TV.
Bye, thank you.
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