September 25, 2025 • 23 mins
Dave Conley and Jerremy draw stark parallels between unrest in France and the UK and America's brewing storms, from immigration strains to economic woes and civil war risks. They debate government curbs on addictive substances, the push for productive economies over extractive ones, and Trump's volatile take on international conflicts. Crises in Ukraine, Gaza, and Somalia spotlight U.S. intervention flaws and life's sanctity, plus Mexico's cartel battles and the new $15,000 visa bond hurdle. The hosts stress open dialogue and tease future dives into gun control and the Second Amendment.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Clips from Current Events 1-3
- (02:55) International Conflicts and US Policy
- (18:35) Immigration Policies and Challenges
- (21:38) Closing Remarks and Future Topics
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Alex (00:00):
Dave spots echoes of French and UK unrest in America's pressures,
from immigration to economic strains.
Jerremy sees us as a teenagenation figuring itself out.
But their take on civil war riskssharpens the edge—if divisions deepen,
what holds the country together?
Dave (00:17):
We have restrictions on stuff now, right?
You know, age restrictions, likeyeah, you can smoke yourself to death,
you can drink yourself to death,there's some restrictions in there.
There's no real penalties onthese, these companies though.
So in a sense it's like, look, ifyou're driving people into oblivion
you don't kick off the successful ones.
You ensure that people who are havea clear sickness can't get at this,
Jerremy (00:42):
yeah,
Dave (00:42):
or that they get straight into the programs to be like,
oh man, this is not good.
Jerremy (00:47):
yeah, I agree with you.
Dave (00:49):
Alright.
Jerremy (00:49):
with you.
Ultimately it is if the government reallycared about this population, fun fact.
What a way to kick off a sentenceif they actually even gave a damn,
Dave (00:59):
Yeah.
Jerremy (01:00):
figure out ways to protect the populace from addictive substances that
the majority of the time no positivelong-term effect to someone's life.
Dave (01:17):
There's a concept I really like that I'm hearing more of is that
there's extractive parts of our economy.
There are productive parts of oureconomy, for example, and I happy that
this is gonna piss some people offfinance Wall Street, that's extractive.
We're not creating anything.
(01:37):
It's just money circulating around.
A lot of, of, uh, Silicon Valley.
You know, it's about, advertising andsucking people into the algorithms.
It's not building anything.
So there's and there's peoplewho, who are building companies
like a Tesla that is additive.
It's not subtractive.
So there's a real divide betweenthings that are a net pull
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versus a net push for humanity.
And I think we need to start lookingat the things that we do personally,
the things that we do in our economyand what we pay attention to.
As, these are the areas where government,where politicians, where people, where
society wants to put more energy becausethese are positive and this world of
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extractive, which is a huge focus.
We need to, we just need to, to like letthem do, you know, like you do you boo.
And we're gonna, we're gonna go over hereand look at the positive, the net benefits
and those kind of things, is that.
What do you think of that?
That's been my moral focus of light.
I don't know, like we are in thatsort of finance Wall Street world,
(02:44):
but you get what I'm saying?
Jerremy (02:46):
Absolutely, and I subscribe to it fully.
My brother.
Dave (02:49):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:50):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Dave (02:52):
Alright.
International interesting stuff.
I think we could spend a lotof time talking about Ukraine.
I think we could talk alot about Gaza Israel.
I'm gonna say right now, thisadministration has completely
disappointed me on this.
I firmly believe that if it was a BidenHarris or a Harris Walsh administration,
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that it wasn't going to get bettereither in Ukraine or Gaza in Israel.
And at least the rhetoric and thetalk around what candidate Trump was
saying seemed much more positive.
And I was like, man, it feels like we'reon the brink of nuclear Armageddon.
Like it goes back to thatmoral thing of like, people
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are dying let's do less dying.
And yet it's.
Same, same, even worse like thechain's off, the chain's off on
Israel and Gaza, like it's, itis getting demonstrably worse.
Same thing with Ukraine.
Like that's not going in a good direction.
I went back and looked at one ofthe briefs I did for you I think
(03:56):
two years ago at this point.
And I'm like, Ukrainedoesn't make any sense.
Like the math doesn't work.
Ukraine can't do this.
They don't have enough peoplelike, you know, like you can
pour in as much as you want.
Like, Russia is just gonna grindthem down and the only thing that
they can do is negotiate now 'causeit's not gonna get any better.
Or they have to pull in nato.
Well, it looks like they're actuallytrying to pull in NATO now, and that
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means like pulling in the United States,and I don't think that's gonna happen.
So I'm disappointed inthis administration.
None of this seems to begoing in the right direction.
It doesn't even seem like they're doingmuch more, if not worse than Biden.
I don't know.
Do you have any other take on this?
Do you have what's positive, if anything?
Jerremy (04:34):
I'm gonna have to agree with you, essentially with what
you said on like, killing bad.
Let's figure out a way to stopdoing that as much as possible.
And I will say that I do believe,and again, I think everyone
knows I'm not a huge Trump fan.
I do believe that Trumpdoesn't generally like wars.
He wants to pull out as much as possible.
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He doesn't like violence.
He's not a war mongering presidentagain, that's just my opinion.
However, to your point, he is handlingit pretty awfully, pretty awfully.
And would the otheradministration do better?
No.
I think it's like that portionof the world and that entire
crisis, that is awful, by the way.
Hundreds of thousands of peopleare dying and being affected daily.
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It is deplorable, but it'sbeen that way for a long time.
Dave (05:25):
Hey, get this I don't think anybody knows this one or
very few people know this one.
It shows up in my anti-war sortof libertarian crowd that I
love to listen to is Somalia.
Somalia is our longest war.
We've been in there a quarter of acentury bombing the crap out of Somalia.
Under the Trump administration, wehave increased our presence there.
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We've increased our bombings.
We bomb them every single week,and we don't talk about it at all.
We keep on killing peoplethere and killing people there
and killing people there.
And I can't find any news on it.
Oh my God.
It goes back to that sanctity of life.
It's oh, if we're killing peoplein the name of the United States,
we're not making any friends.
Jerremy (06:04):
Yeah.
Exactly.
And again, that's unfortunate.
Like I don't want that to be happening.
Dave (06:09):
yeah.
Jerremy (06:10):
the other unfortunate part is been happening for a very long time.
And it's not even Somalia, just really
Dave (06:17):
Everywhere.
Jerremy (06:18):
the.
Breadbasket, the core of where thecivilization allegedly started, like
that Middle East, middle earth area
Dave (06:28):
of middle Earth.
Jerremy (06:29):
has been in such tumultuous, awful, argumentative,
fighting over religion andboundaries and borders for so long.
have no idea what would,could or might solve that.
why if you're a religious person,you probably play, pray to
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whatever religious deity that youreally believe is gonna fix it.
And that's the only thing thatyou're gonna be able to do.
And we don't have toturn an entire blind eye.
But for me personally, I do thinkthat it's gonna be one of those
situations where it's listen.
Why do we have to figureout their problem?
That's the one thing I'm unaware ofis listen, I'm not picking any side.
I'm gonna pick this side, thecountry, us that we live in.
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I don't want to solve their issueor we're gonna let them solve it.
Why, like, why are we alwaysup in everyone else's business?
They're gonna be fighting all the time.
They've been doing itfor thousands of years.
Dave (07:24):
Let 'em figure it out.
That's gonna be called isolationism andI'm gonna say the globalism has not worked
out, so we've gotta try something else.
Jerremy (07:32):
Correct.
Dave (07:33):
There's um, there's a number of international things that sort
of fall under the category of.
Immigration pressures, economicpressures nationalism, and I mean
nationalism as like the lowercasegood thing of like, Hey, this is
my country and I'm proud of it.
France, like they've dissolved theirparliament, which basically means
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the government doesn't do anything.
And they're gonna have to have elections.
Again, that comes from economic pressures.
They have a lot of money thatgoes to social, uh, things
that, that's immigration.
A lot of that social stuff also goes toimmigration and you have to submit your
budget to the EU in order to have itapproved, and it keeps on getting denied.
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And so the government is sortof stalled on what to do, and
there's a lot of, of French peopleare like, Hey, this is my right.
Like having these, these social programs,this is what it means to be French,
versus the reality of being able topay for it versus immigration causing
some pressures on housing, which we'vetalked about in other aspects, like they,
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they're running into some political stuff.
The other one is.
UK had this huge protestand it was all about British
wanting to be British people.
They had, riots last year, and, uh,it was painted as anti-immigration.
And I think it it's wiser to, tostep back a little bit about that and
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stop labeling it and being like, Hey.
Same, same.
There's a lot of overreach and peoplearen't able to protest, like people being
locked up for memes and mean tweets.
And when you keep boxing people inand not addressing their issues,
they are gonna blame immigrants forthings rather than being like, Hey, if
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everybody had a job, it's the abundance.
If everybody had a job, everybody hada home, everybody able to do their
thing, they wouldn't be blaming anybody.
They'd be like, Hey, come on in.
So it's, it's, it's, and it's like,Hey, we want to be proud to be British.
And we see all this changeand being told basically, if
you're British, then you're bad.
So like, both of these things have a,have a, both a, they have a, a pride,
(09:45):
a French pride, a UK Pride or BritishPride, they have an economic component
to it, and it's causing some stress.
Um.
I think we see that inthe United States too.
Are they showing us our future orare we showing them their future?
Jerremy (10:02):
I think they're showing us ours.
My present belief is that America isa teenager, in the scheme of countries
we are, let's call it 16, 17 years old.
Who am I?
What do I believe in?
What do I love?
Am I gay?
Am I straight?
Do I like women?
(10:22):
Do I like men?
I don't know.
Who knows what's going on?
I don't know who I'm, likeyou're figuring your stuff out.
You're figuring out things thatprobably other countries are like,
bro, what are you talking about?
Been there, done that long time ago.
Got that under control, and you startgetting nuances and other things
that are going to absolutely create,big stirs, I think just to generally
(10:44):
answer your question, I think that'sthe future of where we're going
The scarier part is with thesize of the United States.
Dave (10:52):
Right.
Jerremy (10:53):
That's probably one of our disadvantages.
And when I say disadvantages, it's adisadvantage in the sense of you have a
lot of bifurcation you do in any other,any country, from language to dialect,
to to belief, especially in the UK andEngland, shoot England anywhere, right?
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Australia, England, India,China, every country.
But in the US it's one of the fewcurrent countries that I believe
with the right spark would nottake a lot to create a civil war.
And there's a couple movieson it that I have watched.
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One of them was the one withJulia Roberts recently that Obama
was an executive producer on
Dave (11:43):
Yeah, that was grim.
Jerremy (11:44):
Grim.
And at the end I was like, shityeah, that's probably accurate.
That feels unfortunately, really realistic
Dave (11:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerremy (11:56):
So to your point think, that's probably our biggest downfall is you
start poking the bear and disseminatinginformation media-wise different
parts of the country differently ingetting us fighting with each other.
America could never betaken down from the outside.
We're too strong, toopowerful to everything.
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But from the inside,that's how we would fall.
Dave (12:19):
Man, I'm, huh?
Maybe it's my optimism on this.
I hear you.
And I like, I could totally get on this.
I also think that UK and Francedon't necessarily do the best
job of integrating people.
We're a big country, and we'vedone this for a long time.
We may be teenagers, but we're alsothe oldest government on the planet.
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Like no government can touch us.
We are the oldest governmentand we are the oldest democracy
and we keep on keeping on evenwith things like civil wars.
And there's a certain aspectof federalism where, you know,
states, have a lot of power.
They have a lot of capabilities and Ithink people generally have very positive
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feelings about their fellow Americans.
There's this great comedianBridget Acy who says, ah, we're
too fat to have a civil war.
I'm like, yeah I think I agree with that.
Jerremy (13:16):
That's funny.
Dave (13:17):
Nobody makes money on a civil war, except for gun runners.
I don't know.
I don't think there'sactual pressures there.
Like there can be definitelypolitical violence.
We had a lot in the seventies and sixties.
And I don't know, I don'tsee it being big and bubbly.
I don't know.
We'll think about it.
I'll think about it,
Jerremy (13:33):
Yeah.
Dave (13:34):
I'm optimistic.
Jerremy (13:35):
I'm glad.
No I am too.
I'm too I'm just saying I think that'swhere, that's where our biggest challenge
will lay as a country is avoiding that.
Dave (13:44):
On the Mexico side, I thought this was sort of interesting.
Mexican government said, Hey us,if you wanna run, if you wanna run
your agents into Mexico, come on in.
I can't even imagine anycountry really doing this, but
they're like, sure, no problem.
Shine bomb was like, come on ina US agent, if you wanna do raids
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across our border, Hey, come on now.
Ah, maybe they have to, before I goton sort of the early religion kick
right before it, I was listening toabout the history of drug cartels.
Um, you know, all through Centraland South America and particularly
Mexico, and we don't talk abouthow the Mexican government is
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completely intertwined with this.
Like we, we stop at.
Cartel, bad cartel runby this cartel leader.
And that is very naive.
This is, uh, government is all throughthis from the national to the local level.
Like it is, it is completely ingrained.
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So I don't know if.
Mexico is saying, come across theborder, it feels like window dressing.
And I don't think that'sgonna stop anything.
Like I, I firmly believethat we have to make,
making money on drugs not worth it.
Meaning,
Jerremy (15:11):
Yes.
Dave (15:13):
meaning like, uh.
If you get, if you sell drugs inthe United States and we are the
biggest consumers of drugs, like,I don't know if we can stop that.
But you get money for that.
How do you get that into the bank?
How do you get that intothe international space?
How do you use that money?
And if a drug cartel or a governmenthas all of this drug money, I
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think that it should be worthless.
They shouldn't be able to spend it.
That it, that you turnit into worthless money.
I'm not exactly sure how to do that,but it's like, okay, then they don't
get to spend this money that they got.
And I think that it happensat the financial arena.
It means tough things.
It means sanctioning and getting atbig American companies uh, group,
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which certainly has shenanigans.
I dunno, that's a long-windedway of saying, Hey, Mexico's
doing some funny stuff and
Jerremy (16:05):
Yeah.
Hey, come on over.
So they're saying Chase,
Dave (16:08):
come right chase, chase these, Dr.
It's it feels like window dressing to me.
I don't know.
Is it gonna do anything?
Yeah.
Jerremy (16:15):
It'd be cool if it does, but I don't think it will.
You would have to, again, that'sthe unfortunate part, right?
I love that your thought is like,Hey, just get rid of the money
and then the drugs will go away.
Dave (16:25):
No we're not gonna get rid of the drugs.
We are, we're always gonna have the drugs,but make it worthless, make it worthless
to the people who are producing it.
Jerremy (16:33):
Yeah, that'd be amazing.
And that'd be great.
To your point, that'd be a fun discussion.
Dave (16:38):
Yeah.
Jerremy (16:39):
how to do that.
Initially you have to make cash illegal.
Dave (16:44):
That's tough.
Jerremy (16:45):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough to do.
Dave (16:47):
Yeah,
Jerremy (16:48):
You
Dave (16:48):
I just know that the war on drugs, we are not Chick Munk again.
Jerremy (16:52):
Yeah.
How?
However, I don't know what we did.
It's
Dave (16:56):
What happened?
Jerremy (16:56):
limit.
Dave (16:58):
How does that sound?
Jerremy (16:58):
go.
We're back.
Dave (17:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's Mexico.
We also blew up a boat.
That seems like a bad idea.
We're just blowing up boats now.
I don't know
Jerremy (17:11):
The cartel boat off of the
Dave (17:13):
Venezuela.
It's we're just blowing up boats.
I'm like, that just seemslike a dumb idea to me.
Jerremy (17:18):
The really dumb idea is like, how did we know for sure?
Number one there was boat and thenthere was a lot of individuals that
were like, what about due process?
And valid point, right?
Dave (17:32):
Fair.
Do we want to use multimillion dollar?
Machinery and blowing stuffoutta the water when we could
just, pull up a tugboat to theside of it and be like, Hey,
Jerremy (17:42):
You're arrested.
Dave (17:43):
right.
And back to Sanctity of life,like we just ended the lives of
a bunch of people and they mighthave had nothing to do with this.
I'm like, ugh.
Jerremy (17:51):
Yeah.
And we don't know who was on the boat.
We don't know what they did.
Yeah, that's JD Vance actuallyposted something that's now a
meme pretty quickly on Twitter.
He more or less was like, good.
Dave (18:03):
Oh God.
Jerremy (18:04):
someone says yeah, but what about due process?
So what about like this?
That's called, and I apologize fornot knowing the word right now, but
someone said, it's called X, Y, Z.
Dave (18:12):
Yeah.
Jerremy (18:13):
did is called X, Y, Z, and jds I
Dave (18:15):
Yeah.
Jerremy (18:15):
shit what it's called.
Dave (18:17):
Oh God.
Jerremy (18:18):
And now it's this big, it's this big
Dave (18:21):
Oh,
Jerremy (18:22):
of I don't give a shit what it's called, the vice president,
Dave (18:26):
president?
Jerremy (18:27):
saying yeah whatever.
Dave (18:28):
What?
Whatevs.
Oh, I go, oh
Jerremy (18:31):
boat.
So now it doesn't exist anymore.
Dave (18:33):
yeah.
Jerremy (18:34):
Yeah.
Dave (18:36):
I wanted to relate something actually personal
that it's on immigration.
It was fascinating.
I was talking to my woman who's Turkishand she was talking to friends that
husband is American, wife is Turkish,also American, and they're having
relatives visit in the United States.
I'm like, fantastic.
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Well for, Turkish citizens, youneed a visa, you need a B one visa
either for business or for tourism.
And so a calls, you know, tells methat the visa costs $15,000 per person.
I'm like, what?
Yeah, $15,000.
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I'm like, US dollars.
What, and she said, yeah.
I looked it up and indeed a month ago,three weeks ago the State Department
put in a requirement on countries.
They're piloting this, and theystarted with Zambia and Namibia.
For countries that had high stayovers, meaning that they, you
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overrun your visa, you get a visafor three months and you stay.
And so Zambia and Namibia, theywere over 10% and for one of
them, again, I looked it up.
They had 300 people overstay, and sothe State Department is like, yeah,
if you are from this poor Africancountry, in order to come over here
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and do business or if you want to comeover and visit, you have to put up
$15,000 bond and you have to wire thatmoney to the State Department and then
when you leave, if you leave on time.
Then we will send you your money back.
And I'm like, whoa, that's wild.
And that it's for some reasonhitting this Turkish family, even
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though Turkish, you know, Turkeyis a, you know, modern country.
I can't imagine thatthey're having overstays.
It's, it was a weird one.
And that's not even beenpublicized by the State Department.
It's only those two African countries.
This is what's coming.
And this is, this is part of the,the immigration changes that are
happening, which are, very onerous.
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Like this could happen to any countrythat the administration doesn't like it.
Suddenly, if you need a visa to come intothe United States, it costs you 15 grand.
That's a lot of money for anybody.
You know, unless you are inrarefied air in a modern country.
Holy smokes, and you have to handthat over to the government and
then get it back weeks later.
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I'm like, oh my God.
There's so many things aboutthis that I think is nuts.
Jerremy (21:13):
Yes,
Dave (21:14):
It's welcome to America.
The door is closed unless youhave a giant pile of cash.
Jerremy (21:18):
Yep.
And that circles right back to kindalike the whole immigration piece, right?
Is it is a way to close borders andit's definitely, there's gonna be some
people that are really gonna like it.
and at the same stage, man, it's thatis, we promise we'll give it back.
You'll be fine.
Don't worry.
Yeah.
Really wild.
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Dave spots echoes of French and UK unrest in America's pressures,
from immigration to economic strains.
Jerremy sees us as a teenagenation figuring itself out.
But their take on civil war riskssharpens the edge—if divisions deepen,
what holds the country together?
Dave (00:17):
We have restrictions on stuff now, right?
You know, age restrictions, likeyeah, you can smoke yourself to death,
you can drink yourself to death,there's some restrictions in there.
There's no real penalties onthese, these companies though.
So in a sense it's like, look, ifyou're driving people into oblivion
you don't kick off the successful ones.
You ensure that people who are havea clear sickness can't get at this,
Jerremy (00:42):
yeah,
Dave (00:42):
or that they get straight into the programs to be like,
oh man, this is not good.
Jerremy (00:47):
yeah, I agree with you.
Dave (00:49):
Alright.
Jerremy (00:49):
with you.
Ultimately it is if the government reallycared about this population, fun fact.
What a way to kick off a sentenceif they actually even gave a damn,
Dave (00:59):
Yeah.
Jerremy (01:00):
figure out ways to protect the populace from addictive substances that
the majority of the time no positivelong-term effect to someone's life.
Dave (01:17):
There's a concept I really like that I'm hearing more of is that
there's extractive parts of our economy.
There are productive parts of oureconomy, for example, and I happy that
this is gonna piss some people offfinance Wall Street, that's extractive.
We're not creating anything.
(01:37):
It's just money circulating around.
A lot of, of, uh, Silicon Valley.
You know, it's about, advertising andsucking people into the algorithms.
It's not building anything.
So there's and there's peoplewho, who are building companies
like a Tesla that is additive.
It's not subtractive.
So there's a real divide betweenthings that are a net pull
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versus a net push for humanity.
And I think we need to start lookingat the things that we do personally,
the things that we do in our economyand what we pay attention to.
As, these are the areas where government,where politicians, where people, where
society wants to put more energy becausethese are positive and this world of
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extractive, which is a huge focus.
We need to, we just need to, to like letthem do, you know, like you do you boo.
And we're gonna, we're gonna go over hereand look at the positive, the net benefits
and those kind of things, is that.
What do you think of that?
That's been my moral focus of light.
I don't know, like we are in thatsort of finance Wall Street world,
(02:44):
but you get what I'm saying?
Jerremy (02:46):
Absolutely, and I subscribe to it fully.
My brother.
Dave (02:49):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:50):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Dave (02:52):
Alright.
International interesting stuff.
I think we could spend a lotof time talking about Ukraine.
I think we could talk alot about Gaza Israel.
I'm gonna say right now, thisadministration has completely
disappointed me on this.
I firmly believe that if it was a BidenHarris or a Harris Walsh administration,
(03:13):
that it wasn't going to get bettereither in Ukraine or Gaza in Israel.
And at least the rhetoric and thetalk around what candidate Trump was
saying seemed much more positive.
And I was like, man, it feels like we'reon the brink of nuclear Armageddon.
Like it goes back to thatmoral thing of like, people
(03:35):
are dying let's do less dying.
And yet it's.
Same, same, even worse like thechain's off, the chain's off on
Israel and Gaza, like it's, itis getting demonstrably worse.
Same thing with Ukraine.
Like that's not going in a good direction.
I went back and looked at one ofthe briefs I did for you I think
(03:56):
two years ago at this point.
And I'm like, Ukrainedoesn't make any sense.
Like the math doesn't work.
Ukraine can't do this.
They don't have enough peoplelike, you know, like you can
pour in as much as you want.
Like, Russia is just gonna grindthem down and the only thing that
they can do is negotiate now 'causeit's not gonna get any better.
Or they have to pull in nato.
Well, it looks like they're actuallytrying to pull in NATO now, and that
(04:17):
means like pulling in the United States,and I don't think that's gonna happen.
So I'm disappointed inthis administration.
None of this seems to begoing in the right direction.
It doesn't even seem like they're doingmuch more, if not worse than Biden.
I don't know.
Do you have any other take on this?
Do you have what's positive, if anything?
Jerremy (04:34):
I'm gonna have to agree with you, essentially with what
you said on like, killing bad.
Let's figure out a way to stopdoing that as much as possible.
And I will say that I do believe,and again, I think everyone
knows I'm not a huge Trump fan.
I do believe that Trumpdoesn't generally like wars.
He wants to pull out as much as possible.
(04:56):
He doesn't like violence.
He's not a war mongering presidentagain, that's just my opinion.
However, to your point, he is handlingit pretty awfully, pretty awfully.
And would the otheradministration do better?
No.
I think it's like that portionof the world and that entire
crisis, that is awful, by the way.
Hundreds of thousands of peopleare dying and being affected daily.
(05:19):
It is deplorable, but it'sbeen that way for a long time.
Dave (05:25):
Hey, get this I don't think anybody knows this one or
very few people know this one.
It shows up in my anti-war sortof libertarian crowd that I
love to listen to is Somalia.
Somalia is our longest war.
We've been in there a quarter of acentury bombing the crap out of Somalia.
Under the Trump administration, wehave increased our presence there.
(05:46):
We've increased our bombings.
We bomb them every single week,and we don't talk about it at all.
We keep on killing peoplethere and killing people there
and killing people there.
And I can't find any news on it.
Oh my God.
It goes back to that sanctity of life.
It's oh, if we're killing peoplein the name of the United States,
we're not making any friends.
Jerremy (06:04):
Yeah.
Exactly.
And again, that's unfortunate.
Like I don't want that to be happening.
Dave (06:09):
yeah.
Jerremy (06:10):
the other unfortunate part is been happening for a very long time.
And it's not even Somalia, just really
Dave (06:17):
Everywhere.
Jerremy (06:18):
the.
Breadbasket, the core of where thecivilization allegedly started, like
that Middle East, middle earth area
Dave (06:28):
of middle Earth.
Jerremy (06:29):
has been in such tumultuous, awful, argumentative,
fighting over religion andboundaries and borders for so long.
have no idea what would,could or might solve that.
why if you're a religious person,you probably play, pray to
(06:51):
whatever religious deity that youreally believe is gonna fix it.
And that's the only thing thatyou're gonna be able to do.
And we don't have toturn an entire blind eye.
But for me personally, I do thinkthat it's gonna be one of those
situations where it's listen.
Why do we have to figureout their problem?
That's the one thing I'm unaware ofis listen, I'm not picking any side.
I'm gonna pick this side, thecountry, us that we live in.
(07:13):
I don't want to solve their issueor we're gonna let them solve it.
Why, like, why are we alwaysup in everyone else's business?
They're gonna be fighting all the time.
They've been doing itfor thousands of years.
Dave (07:24):
Let 'em figure it out.
That's gonna be called isolationism andI'm gonna say the globalism has not worked
out, so we've gotta try something else.
Jerremy (07:32):
Correct.
Dave (07:33):
There's um, there's a number of international things that sort
of fall under the category of.
Immigration pressures, economicpressures nationalism, and I mean
nationalism as like the lowercasegood thing of like, Hey, this is
my country and I'm proud of it.
France, like they've dissolved theirparliament, which basically means
(07:55):
the government doesn't do anything.
And they're gonna have to have elections.
Again, that comes from economic pressures.
They have a lot of money thatgoes to social, uh, things
that, that's immigration.
A lot of that social stuff also goes toimmigration and you have to submit your
budget to the EU in order to have itapproved, and it keeps on getting denied.
(08:16):
And so the government is sortof stalled on what to do, and
there's a lot of, of French peopleare like, Hey, this is my right.
Like having these, these social programs,this is what it means to be French,
versus the reality of being able topay for it versus immigration causing
some pressures on housing, which we'vetalked about in other aspects, like they,
(08:39):
they're running into some political stuff.
The other one is.
UK had this huge protestand it was all about British
wanting to be British people.
They had, riots last year, and, uh,it was painted as anti-immigration.
And I think it it's wiser to, tostep back a little bit about that and
(08:59):
stop labeling it and being like, Hey.
Same, same.
There's a lot of overreach and peoplearen't able to protest, like people being
locked up for memes and mean tweets.
And when you keep boxing people inand not addressing their issues,
they are gonna blame immigrants forthings rather than being like, Hey, if
(09:19):
everybody had a job, it's the abundance.
If everybody had a job, everybody hada home, everybody able to do their
thing, they wouldn't be blaming anybody.
They'd be like, Hey, come on in.
So it's, it's, it's, and it's like,Hey, we want to be proud to be British.
And we see all this changeand being told basically, if
you're British, then you're bad.
So like, both of these things have a,have a, both a, they have a, a pride,
(09:45):
a French pride, a UK Pride or BritishPride, they have an economic component
to it, and it's causing some stress.
Um.
I think we see that inthe United States too.
Are they showing us our future orare we showing them their future?
Jerremy (10:02):
I think they're showing us ours.
My present belief is that America isa teenager, in the scheme of countries
we are, let's call it 16, 17 years old.
Who am I?
What do I believe in?
What do I love?
Am I gay?
Am I straight?
Do I like women?
(10:22):
Do I like men?
I don't know.
Who knows what's going on?
I don't know who I'm, likeyou're figuring your stuff out.
You're figuring out things thatprobably other countries are like,
bro, what are you talking about?
Been there, done that long time ago.
Got that under control, and you startgetting nuances and other things
that are going to absolutely create,big stirs, I think just to generally
(10:44):
answer your question, I think that'sthe future of where we're going
The scarier part is with thesize of the United States.
Dave (10:52):
Right.
Jerremy (10:53):
That's probably one of our disadvantages.
And when I say disadvantages, it's adisadvantage in the sense of you have a
lot of bifurcation you do in any other,any country, from language to dialect,
to to belief, especially in the UK andEngland, shoot England anywhere, right?
(11:13):
Australia, England, India,China, every country.
But in the US it's one of the fewcurrent countries that I believe
with the right spark would nottake a lot to create a civil war.
And there's a couple movieson it that I have watched.
(11:37):
One of them was the one withJulia Roberts recently that Obama
was an executive producer on
Dave (11:43):
Yeah, that was grim.
Jerremy (11:44):
Grim.
And at the end I was like, shityeah, that's probably accurate.
That feels unfortunately, really realistic
Dave (11:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerremy (11:56):
So to your point think, that's probably our biggest downfall is you
start poking the bear and disseminatinginformation media-wise different
parts of the country differently ingetting us fighting with each other.
America could never betaken down from the outside.
We're too strong, toopowerful to everything.
(12:16):
But from the inside,that's how we would fall.
Dave (12:19):
Man, I'm, huh?
Maybe it's my optimism on this.
I hear you.
And I like, I could totally get on this.
I also think that UK and Francedon't necessarily do the best
job of integrating people.
We're a big country, and we'vedone this for a long time.
We may be teenagers, but we're alsothe oldest government on the planet.
(12:43):
Like no government can touch us.
We are the oldest governmentand we are the oldest democracy
and we keep on keeping on evenwith things like civil wars.
And there's a certain aspectof federalism where, you know,
states, have a lot of power.
They have a lot of capabilities and Ithink people generally have very positive
(13:06):
feelings about their fellow Americans.
There's this great comedianBridget Acy who says, ah, we're
too fat to have a civil war.
I'm like, yeah I think I agree with that.
Jerremy (13:16):
That's funny.
Dave (13:17):
Nobody makes money on a civil war, except for gun runners.
I don't know.
I don't think there'sactual pressures there.
Like there can be definitelypolitical violence.
We had a lot in the seventies and sixties.
And I don't know, I don'tsee it being big and bubbly.
I don't know.
We'll think about it.
I'll think about it,
Jerremy (13:33):
Yeah.
Dave (13:34):
I'm optimistic.
Jerremy (13:35):
I'm glad.
No I am too.
I'm too I'm just saying I think that'swhere, that's where our biggest challenge
will lay as a country is avoiding that.
Dave (13:44):
On the Mexico side, I thought this was sort of interesting.
Mexican government said, Hey us,if you wanna run, if you wanna run
your agents into Mexico, come on in.
I can't even imagine anycountry really doing this, but
they're like, sure, no problem.
Shine bomb was like, come on ina US agent, if you wanna do raids
(14:05):
across our border, Hey, come on now.
Ah, maybe they have to, before I goton sort of the early religion kick
right before it, I was listening toabout the history of drug cartels.
Um, you know, all through Centraland South America and particularly
Mexico, and we don't talk abouthow the Mexican government is
(14:32):
completely intertwined with this.
Like we, we stop at.
Cartel, bad cartel runby this cartel leader.
And that is very naive.
This is, uh, government is all throughthis from the national to the local level.
Like it is, it is completely ingrained.
(14:52):
So I don't know if.
Mexico is saying, come across theborder, it feels like window dressing.
And I don't think that'sgonna stop anything.
Like I, I firmly believethat we have to make,
making money on drugs not worth it.
Meaning,
Jerremy (15:11):
Yes.
Dave (15:13):
meaning like, uh.
If you get, if you sell drugs inthe United States and we are the
biggest consumers of drugs, like,I don't know if we can stop that.
But you get money for that.
How do you get that into the bank?
How do you get that intothe international space?
How do you use that money?
And if a drug cartel or a governmenthas all of this drug money, I
(15:34):
think that it should be worthless.
They shouldn't be able to spend it.
That it, that you turnit into worthless money.
I'm not exactly sure how to do that,but it's like, okay, then they don't
get to spend this money that they got.
And I think that it happensat the financial arena.
It means tough things.
It means sanctioning and getting atbig American companies uh, group,
(15:57):
which certainly has shenanigans.
I dunno, that's a long-windedway of saying, Hey, Mexico's
doing some funny stuff and
Jerremy (16:05):
Yeah.
Hey, come on over.
So they're saying Chase,
Dave (16:08):
come right chase, chase these, Dr.
It's it feels like window dressing to me.
I don't know.
Is it gonna do anything?
Yeah.
Jerremy (16:15):
It'd be cool if it does, but I don't think it will.
You would have to, again, that'sthe unfortunate part, right?
I love that your thought is like,Hey, just get rid of the money
and then the drugs will go away.
Dave (16:25):
No we're not gonna get rid of the drugs.
We are, we're always gonna have the drugs,but make it worthless, make it worthless
to the people who are producing it.
Jerremy (16:33):
Yeah, that'd be amazing.
And that'd be great.
To your point, that'd be a fun discussion.
Dave (16:38):
Yeah.
Jerremy (16:39):
how to do that.
Initially you have to make cash illegal.
Dave (16:44):
That's tough.
Jerremy (16:45):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough to do.
Dave (16:47):
Yeah,
Jerremy (16:48):
You
Dave (16:48):
I just know that the war on drugs, we are not Chick Munk again.
Jerremy (16:52):
Yeah.
How?
However, I don't know what we did.
It's
Dave (16:56):
What happened?
Jerremy (16:56):
limit.
Dave (16:58):
How does that sound?
Jerremy (16:58):
go.
We're back.
Dave (17:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's Mexico.
We also blew up a boat.
That seems like a bad idea.
We're just blowing up boats now.
I don't know
Jerremy (17:11):
The cartel boat off of the
Dave (17:13):
Venezuela.
It's we're just blowing up boats.
I'm like, that just seemslike a dumb idea to me.
Jerremy (17:18):
The really dumb idea is like, how did we know for sure?
Number one there was boat and thenthere was a lot of individuals that
were like, what about due process?
And valid point, right?
Dave (17:32):
Fair.
Do we want to use multimillion dollar?
Machinery and blowing stuffoutta the water when we could
just, pull up a tugboat to theside of it and be like, Hey,
Jerremy (17:42):
You're arrested.
Dave (17:43):
right.
And back to Sanctity of life,like we just ended the lives of
a bunch of people and they mighthave had nothing to do with this.
I'm like, ugh.
Jerremy (17:51):
Yeah.
And we don't know who was on the boat.
We don't know what they did.
Yeah, that's JD Vance actuallyposted something that's now a
meme pretty quickly on Twitter.
He more or less was like, good.
Dave (18:03):
Oh God.
Jerremy (18:04):
someone says yeah, but what about due process?
So what about like this?
That's called, and I apologize fornot knowing the word right now, but
someone said, it's called X, Y, Z.
Dave (18:12):
Yeah.
Jerremy (18:13):
did is called X, Y, Z, and jds I
Dave (18:15):
Yeah.
Jerremy (18:15):
shit what it's called.
Dave (18:17):
Oh God.
Jerremy (18:18):
And now it's this big, it's this big
Dave (18:21):
Oh,
Jerremy (18:22):
of I don't give a shit what it's called, the vice president,
Dave (18:26):
president?
Jerremy (18:27):
saying yeah whatever.
Dave (18:28):
What?
Whatevs.
Oh, I go, oh
Jerremy (18:31):
boat.
So now it doesn't exist anymore.
Dave (18:33):
yeah.
Jerremy (18:34):
Yeah.
Dave (18:36):
I wanted to relate something actually personal
that it's on immigration.
It was fascinating.
I was talking to my woman who's Turkishand she was talking to friends that
husband is American, wife is Turkish,also American, and they're having
relatives visit in the United States.
I'm like, fantastic.
(18:57):
Well for, Turkish citizens, youneed a visa, you need a B one visa
either for business or for tourism.
And so a calls, you know, tells methat the visa costs $15,000 per person.
I'm like, what?
Yeah, $15,000.
(19:17):
I'm like, US dollars.
What, and she said, yeah.
I looked it up and indeed a month ago,three weeks ago the State Department
put in a requirement on countries.
They're piloting this, and theystarted with Zambia and Namibia.
For countries that had high stayovers, meaning that they, you
(19:40):
overrun your visa, you get a visafor three months and you stay.
And so Zambia and Namibia, theywere over 10% and for one of
them, again, I looked it up.
They had 300 people overstay, and sothe State Department is like, yeah,
if you are from this poor Africancountry, in order to come over here
(20:03):
and do business or if you want to comeover and visit, you have to put up
$15,000 bond and you have to wire thatmoney to the State Department and then
when you leave, if you leave on time.
Then we will send you your money back.
And I'm like, whoa, that's wild.
And that it's for some reasonhitting this Turkish family, even
(20:28):
though Turkish, you know, Turkeyis a, you know, modern country.
I can't imagine thatthey're having overstays.
It's, it was a weird one.
And that's not even beenpublicized by the State Department.
It's only those two African countries.
This is what's coming.
And this is, this is part of the,the immigration changes that are
happening, which are, very onerous.
(20:48):
Like this could happen to any countrythat the administration doesn't like it.
Suddenly, if you need a visa to come intothe United States, it costs you 15 grand.
That's a lot of money for anybody.
You know, unless you are inrarefied air in a modern country.
Holy smokes, and you have to handthat over to the government and
then get it back weeks later.
(21:09):
I'm like, oh my God.
There's so many things aboutthis that I think is nuts.
Jerremy (21:13):
Yes,
Dave (21:14):
It's welcome to America.
The door is closed unless youhave a giant pile of cash.
Jerremy (21:18):
Yep.
And that circles right back to kindalike the whole immigration piece, right?
Is it is a way to close borders andit's definitely, there's gonna be some
people that are really gonna like it.
and at the same stage, man, it's thatis, we promise we'll give it back.
You'll be fine.
Don't worry.
Yeah.
Really wild.
But for our listenersout there just thank you.
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(22:02):
didn't do something on gun control and.
The gun debate and the second Amendment.
Because again, my process, my job, myultimate objective through all of this
is to have incredible conversations,to really learn, to study, to be fully
aware that not only do I not knoweverything, nor should I be expected to.
But as the future president ofthe United States of America my
(22:23):
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Focus on the educational components,focus on schools and colleges.
Having discussions like this for a periodof time where you just get to share your
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do that, and it's extremely unfortunate.
and disheartening that his life had tocome to a tragic end because I think I
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not directly negatively impacting humans.
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