September 26, 2025 • 25 mins
Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley roast the wrestling-prez spectacle of UFC on the White House lawn as Rome-level bread and circuses, designed to bury horrors in Gaza and Ukraine where civilian slaughter reigns unchecked. They blast bipartisan military force obsessions over humanitarian fixes, decry government censorship, and rally for free speech amid online toxicity. In this surreal chaos, they champion reasonable dialogue to pierce the moral rot.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Political Circus Unleashed: Wrestling to White House Fights
- (05:13) U.S. Military Critique: Bombing Over Brotherhood
- (13:03) Life and Free Speech: Celebrating Amid Suppression
- (14:51) Voice of Reason: Navigating Generational Battles
- (16:13) Reasonable Talks: Defending Open Dialogue
- (24:31) Online Perils: Toxicity and Algorithm Traps
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Alex (00:00):
Jerremy dives into the cowboy chaos of a wrestling-star president hosting UFC
brawls on the White House lawn, while Davecalls it ancient Rome-style distraction.
The stakes escalate—ifbread-and-circus tactics drown real
issues like Gaza and Ukraine, howmuch voter malaise is by design?
Dave (00:18):
In
Jerremy (00:18):
the front lawn of the White House.
They're gonna have a ginormous, notlike a, it's gonna be UFC branded.
Wow.
Which is again, Dana White and Sure.
Good buddies.
Which is fine.
Yeah.
All good.
But I, I am over here thinking to myself,oh my gosh, we have a cowboy in office.
(00:40):
A cowboy.
And that's like
Dave (00:43):
this guy that is like bread and circus.
That is ancient Rome sort of gladiator,let 'em fight tigers kind of thing.
Right?
I mean, but UFC is super popular,so I, I'm not against the idea,
but that's crazy talk dude.
I like UFCI watch all
Jerremy (00:58):
the time.
I have more problem.
I understand it infinitely.
I'm just over here thinking tomyself, wow, they are letting the
president go, Hey, best buddy of mine.
Let's put you front and center for thisreally huge thing that we're doing.
We're gonna celebrate, an importantbirthday in America's milestone.
Yeah.
Milestone birthday, I guess.
(01:19):
And, uh, we're gonna do it with fighting.
Just of all the things to celebrate theAmerican country was, it's like, yeah,
let's just have a giant cage match.
You would only expect that fromsomeone who had been in the World
Wrestling Federation, which he has.
And it makes me want to contact therider and the director of the film
Idiocracy in How, how did you knowI'm in, I you, that is a rewatch.
(01:45):
How did you know
Dave (01:45):
that is a rewatch right now?
Jerremy (01:46):
That we'd all be wearing Crocs and that our president would be
a prior wrestling match, individual.
Like it's just awesome.
Dave (01:57):
It's
Jerremy (01:57):
true.
Truly remarkable, I think.
Uh, so to get back to theinternational thing, man.
Yeah.
Russian forces advanced, I believe.
Somewhere like what, 200 square miles?
Dave (02:07):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:07):
Recently with Ukraine, continually launching drone strikes
Dave (02:12):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:13):
On Russian targets.
And, uh, receiving 1000 fallen soldierbodies in exchange for just that.
I mean, so there's, there'sstill actively, aggressively
horrifically fighting right now.
And I thought that theysigned a peace deal.
Right.
I thought that Putin didthat with Trump in Alaska.
Mm-hmm.
A month ago.
Dave (02:34):
Yeah.
So that's so happening.
I, yeah.
So we got that going for us.
And it feels to me that everybodywants more regional stuff, whether
it's the Ukrainians wanting topull a NATO in because they can't
fix this right by themselves.
They want a broader regional war.
Or if it's the Israelis bombingseven countries in a year, you
(02:54):
know, it's like, let's mess this up.
Are we saying.
In 2025.
2025, that the very best that wecan do, the very best behavior
is to go and kill other people.
To kill women, to kill children.
That it's okay to bomb people fromthe sky to resolve our issues.
(03:16):
That's where we are in 2025.
And if you say anything againstthat, if you stand up and be like,
Hey, maybe we shouldn't do this.
If there's any opposition to murder, it'santisemitic, it's pro Putin, it's pro
terrorist, or they got what they deserved.
I mean, that's Charlie Kirk, that'sGaza, that's Ukraine, that's all of it.
(03:40):
That putting a bullet in someone'shead, killing their family,
blowing up their children.
Is that gonna changeanybody's hearts and minds?
I mean, does that help anything?
And the people who are online cheeringany of this, supporting all of this
that is barbaric, that is moral rot.
This is deeply anti-human.
(04:03):
And I will put the Trumpadministration on fire for that.
Because we are the one standingup and saying, keep shooting.
Like we're still bombingthings in Somalia.
That is our longest war.
I am donezo.
I'm just like, this isa very small planet.
Oh, you got meti fired up now.
Sorry.
I gotta, I gotta like sit back becauseit's like, it's a small planet.
(04:24):
Let's like treat thisas brothers and sisters.
Good god, what we've been doingsince the caveman days of bashing in
each other's brains hasn't worked.
We've gotta try something else.
Yes, we've got to do something else.
We've gotta be beacons of lightand magic and love and care,
and that sounds like woo woo.
(04:45):
And it sounds all hippie cool.
But you know what?
We haven't tried it.
We haven't tried it.
We've tried everything else, but ah,
Jerremy (04:53):
Yeah.
Getting all the leaders togetherand just, Hey man, let's just
all, breathe it out for two days.
Dave (04:58):
I mean, don't we have to be friends with countries regardless of what they
do, if they have nuclear bombs, youknow, like we've just gotta get along.
It is like, I may not get along withmy neighbor now, but you know what?
They're my neighbor and soI've gotta get along with 'em.
Jerremy (05:13):
Well, so as you, you, when you're talking about bombing people out
of the sky another Venezuelan cartel boat.
No.
Got taken out.
Dave (05:22):
Come on.
Jerremy (05:24):
Yeah.
US forces conducted a secondstrike on September 15th against
the Venezuelan cartel boat andinternational waters killing three
alleged, uh, narco terrorists.
Which is interesting ' causeagain, uh, not even some of the
libertarians, but again, this is wild.
I really didn't think I'd ever saythis, but Tucker Carlson was like,
(05:45):
we sure we should be doing that.
Dave (05:46):
Again, I feel like he's like the liberal hero voice in this Tucker Carlson.
Come on.
He's the one that's like, yep.
Is this a good idea?
Jerremy (05:55):
Yeah, that was kind of, uh, like, are you enlightened?
Tucker?
Dave (06:00):
I'm so confused.
Jerremy (06:01):
And yet next it's gonna be Alex Jones.
When Alex Jones goes, wait a minute.
Wait.
I'm so confused.
We're just bombing everyone.
Uh, we're going to Mexico and we'vejust, we're just bombed a couple
of, uh, well, I mean, I guesswe technically did, didn't we?
Yeah, we did.
We dismantled 750 drug labs and seized 1.5
(06:23):
million tons of fentanylover there in Mexico.
Got it.
And, uh, I don't believe specificallythat we bombed them with drones, but
Dave (06:34):
Who knows?
I'm like, like, would would even,would anybody know if we did,
Jerremy (06:38):
Would even care?
Is really the, the wild questionI'd have to ask in that situation.
And the answer is probably not.
Just looking at the track record.
Dave (06:47):
Yeah.
Jerremy (06:48):
I think it's just a very, again, interesting point
of view to take because I.
This is truthfully to your point,the same discussion that you and I
would be having during Obama's tenure.
Dave (07:03):
Yeah.
Jerremy (07:03):
It would be the same discussion.
Same one.
It's not exactly, it's not here,Dave and I over here just making
fun of Republicans or Democrats.
It is, why are we as a country bombingthe shit out of everyone that we don't
like all the time and not just figuringout other solutions for decades?
(07:24):
That's really all the that's thequestion we're asking like, decades,
Dave (07:27):
trillions of dollars, millions dead, hasn't worked out,
has not worked out like that.
That is the definition of madness.
That is the definition of powerful peopledoing powerful things that don't work.
Like, and then they distract us.
They distract us with nonsense, witheither, rather than paying attention
to like the things that matter most.
(07:48):
None of this matters to anybody.
Well, I mean, not to the people whoare in it, but bombing a or, shooting.
I mean, I don't even know, right?
Droning, droning a boat inthe middle of the Caribbean.
Really?
That's the best way to do this.
I mean, like, that's going to solvesomething millions and millions that,
who makes, you know, who's superhappy about that general dynamics.
(08:11):
They are like, oh, great,I made my bonus this month.
Like, that's, who'sexcited about that one?
Jerremy (08:17):
Yeah.
Raytheon, right?
Lockheed so happy.
The big contractors governmentcontractors, defense contractors.
It is, man, it's really wild.
And I can see the positionthat I'm in right now.
My goal and job is to see as much asI can, as clearly as I can both sides.
Dave (08:36):
Mm-hmm.
Jerremy (08:36):
And.
The side that's extremelyexcited about it.
I think they're excited to theextent of we've painted someone or a
group of individuals as bad, right?
And those bad people must pay andthis is the way of for them to pay.
I think that, let's call itculture or that idolization
(08:58):
of we are good, they're bad.
This is what we do to bad people.
Dumb dumb and played out.
Very, very played out.
Because again, I think there are,and there is a solution somewhere
where if you put Putin and Zelenskyin the same room with Trump, right?
(09:18):
So these three people are in the sameroom together and they play chess for
hours and talk over some coffee and figureout why actually is everyone so angry?
Like, why are you actually fighting?
Get a couple therapists in there.
Get a lot of, get some breath work.
Like, is it worth spending two days tostop that war through humanitarian efforts
(09:41):
and diving deep into the root cause of whythese people are being tyrants probably.
I think that's more worth it thancontinuing to fund the war, spending
billions of dollars and justhaving people just being murdered
continuously every single day.
Dave (09:58):
Right.
These countries are hurting.
I mean, they're hurting, they'reintentionally like hurting themselves.
It's like we want bomb somebody else.
We wanna drone somebody else.
You know, it hurts the United Statesto be like, like, this is the power
we wanna project in our own backyard.
None of this helps us, you know,like is this going to stop the
(10:18):
flow of drugs in the United States?
No.
Like the war of drugs we've alreadyproven that 50 years of war on drugs
not working and bombing somebodyfrom the sky not gonna work.
It hasn't worked.
Hasn't worked.
So like, again, it's deeply anti-humanto say we are going to, first, we're
gonna start with, start with thefirst thing that we're going to do
(10:40):
outta the gate is kill somebody else.
I'm like, holy shit.
They're like, really?
That's the first.
If that's even on the table foranything, it's gotta be the very,
very last, I mean the last one.
Not the first.
We just can't start with that.
And yeah.
Are there bad people out there?
Of course.
Are there times where we have to liketake serious action against people?
(11:02):
Of course there are sociopaths,psychopaths, they run countries.
I get it.
But.
We have to have a moral compass andstick to it even when it's hard.
And that means don't go murdering people.
Don't go killing people.
It's, it can't be thefirst card out of the deck.
Yeah.
You got me going.
(11:22):
All right.
What else is going
Jerremy (11:23):
on?
No, it's good.
Like what else is going,that's why we're here.
That's why our listeners are here.
I like it when Dave gets going.
Well, I mean, we have, uh, theCharlie Kirk Radicalization memorial
that has happened on September 21st.
Dave (11:39):
That was yesterday.
Right.
And I don't know, Ididn't catch any of that.
Did
Jerremy (11:42):
you either yesterday or the day before Yesterday.
Yesterday, yeah.
Sunday.
Man, I'll say this.
Yeah, his.
His wife.
Yeah.
I think very quickly is becoming, uh,a new American hero and rightfully so.
Dave (11:58):
Wow.
Jerremy (11:59):
She is becoming a very, very powerful figure
in the Christian community.
Dave (12:06):
Mm-hmm.
Jerremy (12:07):
Um, she is and publicly she forgave the shooter.
Oh, that's Charlie
Dave (12:11):
Kirk.
That's beautiful.
Jerremy (12:14):
Um, she was really leaning into her faith and open about what Charlie
was trying to do with his life, whichwas to heal and help individuals, like
the gentleman that killed her husband.
Dave (12:26):
Yeah.
And
Jerremy (12:27):
there was a lot of, I feel like there was a lot of polarization in
a good way, polarization to the extentof the individuals that were all there.
Were doing it and were.
We're presenting and placing themselvesin a position of positivity even
though they did have like fireworksdisplays and like a big light
Dave (12:50):
show.
Okay.
Uh,
cool.
I want that.
So just so you know, because,you know, I'm so old that's
exactly what I want at my funeral.
So if you could, I'm gonna, I'mgonna put you down, you know,
like the writer to my will.
It's gonna be like, oh, and Jerremy,if you could, if you could, uh, break
out the sparklers, you know, like Dave.
That's right.
Dave would like sparklers at this.
(13:10):
So, uh, you know, like, just makesure you bring, one of those cool
lighter, you know, not one, notmatches, but legit sparklers.
And, uh, everybody gets those
Jerremy (13:19):
Something cool, something fun, you know, less morbid.
That is what happened.
And it was, here's, itwas a celebration of life.
Dave (13:26):
You know, I know there was, there was a lot of free speech talk
the last couple of weeks, which Iappreciate the free speech talk.
I am not happy about the administrationcracking down on free speech.
And look, there's a lot of hotheads right now all over the place.
A lot of energy going on, and I'm noteven online watching this, and I'm,
I'm it's raised, it's, it's breakingthrough my silence barrier of being
(13:50):
like, okay, people are a little crazy.
And it is a testament to, and I'm gonnagive a big compliment to the pundits
and the leadership on the right.
It is a testament to that crowdthat things haven't melted
down, that there hasn't been.
(14:10):
Retribution that there hasn'tbeen escalating violence.
That it does seem like there's coolerheads right now because it could
have gotten very bad very quickly.
This was a very importantperson to millions of people.
And when very importantpeople get murdered like that,
(14:30):
it causes a lot of crazy.
And so I think it's a big testamentthat we haven't seen worse.
Yep.
Jerremy (14:37):
I mean, it's, yep.
Dave (14:38):
Every time I go I, I, I gotta, I realize that I'm just ranting at you
and I really gotta turn this around.
Yeah.
What so what's next?
People are here.
I mean, what's, what's next for theright on this, the provocative, right?
Like he was a voice of a generation.
He was the voice for the young.
Who's gonna be that voicefor the young, do you think?
(14:58):
Like, it's not gonnabe Nick Fuentes, right?
Jerremy (15:00):
No, I don't believe so.
There will be a lot now.
Dave (15:02):
Yeah.
Jerremy (15:03):
That's the beautiful thing about Charlie that I do believe
that he will and has spurred alot of people to take his place.
Dave (15:10):
Great.
Jerremy (15:10):
And take the place of an independent truth seeker, let's call it.
Dave (15:16):
Yeah.
Jerremy (15:17):
Someone who really is beautifully articulate and cares
about sharing messages and doing itso openly potentially with college
campuses or on school grounds,just to, you know, enlighten the
intellectuals and to enlighten the Yeah.
The younger crowd of this nation.
Personally, man, I think thatwhat his ultimate goal was.
(15:42):
Very profound and very beautiful.
And it was, uh, it's unfortunate that ithad to come to an end, but I think that
that's just the unfortunate aspect ofsomeone that is so skilled and talented
and equipped to argue points and toprovide their opinion so poignantly.
(16:03):
Yeah.
That very, very fewpeople can dismantle it.
Those individuals become extremelydivisive to certain groups of
people that wanna make sure thatthat doesn't happen anymore.
Dave (16:13):
And reasonable talk, it seems right, but reasonable talk, like
didn't demonize in the sense ofdemonize how to say this, you know,
like reasonable arguments, points ofview, even if you disagreed with them.
Right.
You know, not celebrating or goingafter other people in, uh, for, you
know, like there was no name calling.
(16:33):
It was very reasonable.
Measured conversations,debates with people.
Nobody should ever lose their job.
Nobody should ever be de platformedDeb banked de whatevered, right?
Nobody should have like, theirlives taken away from them,
either literally or figuratively.
Because a very reasonable evencontroversial takes on things like
(16:55):
that is like at the core of freespeech to be like, I've got an idea.
It's like, oh, I've got an idea too.
It's like, okay, let's talk this out.
And it's like, are we gonnaagree to disagree on some things?
You bet.
Are we gonna hate each other?
Are we going to label each other?
Are we gonna call each other names?
No.
I mean, that's, that's atthe core of this discussion.
He seemed to be the dude that does that.
(17:16):
And like every.
Nobody should get canceled or thrownout or killed or whatever because
they're having a conversation.
Even if you find it objectionable.
Jerremy (17:27):
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
Yeah, of course.
Right.
I think
Dave (17:29):
like wasn't Kimmel like thrown off the air?
Jerremy (17:32):
Yeah.
He was.
I didn't currently watchexactly what he said.
To make an opinion on if thatwas a noteworthy cause or not.
But here's what I will sayabout it is I think there were
individuals that timed it verypoorly, and if you were going to.
(17:56):
Stand on the ground of free speechand say, I can say whatever I want.
Dave (18:01):
It could happen next month, not this week, right?
Jerremy (18:04):
Probably.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, do we really need to,
Dave (18:06):
do you really need to clamp down on free speech or do you
really need to be like, all happyabout somebody dying right now?
You know, like that's all.
I think he is like, kickeverything to next month.
Jerremy (18:18):
That's it.
I think so, man.
Like bad timing musthave been a bad timing.
Read the room and I thinkthat people didn't, yeah.
People that got fired andcanned did not read the room.
And I'm on the fence of it was like,listen, if you don't have the human
decanter of knowing when you should makefun of someone getting assassinated.
(18:39):
You don't know, like in
Dave (18:40):
4K on tv, you know, like, like, or on the online like 4K, like
right in front of you, like, right.
Oh, like, that is gonnabe burned in my brain.
I wish I hadn't seen that.
Like, Ooh, agreed.
Jerremy (18:51):
And I forget the, probably a valid point.
I forget the comedian theredheaded lady that had the
disassembled head of Donald Trump.
Dave (18:59):
Oh God, yeah.
Kathy, uh, Kathy Griffin,
Jerremy (19:02):
Kathy Griffin.
She did that like a weekafter he got elected.
Um, and there was this wholelike, you know, Trump, right?
Everyone's like excited about Trump andfor her to come out with that again, I
probably wouldn't ever do that personally.
I can read the room pretty well.
Uh, I wouldn't do that with any candidate,for any person for any reason ever, but.
(19:27):
Ever since then, her career wasjust going right down the tube.
And she did, she got canceled ontons and tons and tons of platforms.
And the ironic part is most peopleare like, oh, but the media is
liberal and they're far left andthey're, they're controlled by the pe.
I'm like, yeah, but even if that istrue, which I can't confirm or deny,
I can say for sure that there isprobably an unspoken humanitarian rule.
(19:54):
Yeah.
That's like, listen, regardlessof someone, if they're very, very
popular, let's call 'em a singer.
I'm not gonna name any names.
It'd be awful.
I don't wanna speak it intoexistence, but let's say an
extremely popular musician Sure.
Got assassinated.
Oof.
Well, shoot, let's pick onethat happened in the past.
John Lennon.
Yeah.
(20:14):
Okay.
John Lennon gets taken out.
Within a week.
Massive,
Dave (20:18):
massive grieving like I, within a
Jerremy (20:20):
week, if you begin celebrating that, because you hate John Lennon and
everything he sang for and spoke about, he
Dave (20:26):
was a common liberal.
Like they Oh, right.
People would lose their minds.
Jerremy (20:30):
Yeah.
They probably did lose their minds.
They probably did get fired.
People probably did get canned andcanceled and their shows and radio shows
got, got taken off the air and there wasradio guests that tried to make a joke
about it and they got just disseminated.
I'm sure that happened because there is acertain level of humanitarian respect, at
least in this small circle called America.
Dave (20:49):
Yeah.
Jerremy (20:49):
Because when you start taking the humanitarian and you just go outside
just a little bit, like, you know, 35miles off the coast, when you get into
international waters, then you can startdoing anything you want with human life.
But if it's within the borders of America.
Dave (21:04):
Yeah.
Jerremy (21:05):
35 miles inward.
Then yes.
Be very, very careful what you sayabout anyone that, uh, that gets their
life taken away from them too early.
And I'm actually okay with that.
I'm on the side where like, listen,if you got canned, 'cause you
don't know how to read a room.
Study better, I guess learn when to not do
Dave (21:25):
And I get employers who might be looking at something
and being like, oh man, you putthis online and you work for me.
Mm-hmm.
I question your judgment.
I'm not gonna give youmy budget for my company.
If you're doing this, likeyou're a crazy person.
You know, whether you agree withsomebody or not on anything.
If they put out a controversial takeon something that is very radioactive,
(21:51):
you gotta question their judgment.
You just gotta question theirjudgment on other stuff.
I mean, it just happens.
Jerremy (21:56):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, man.
I get it.
I understand.
It's a situation I'm not reallygonna be actively, feeling.
Sorry for,
Dave (22:05):
and on the other hand the FCC landing on what is he on a, b, c
Kimmel to like, throw him off the air?
Yeah, that's scary.
I'm not down with government doing this.
I wasn't down with the Bidenadministration, creating like ministries
of truth and pressuring onlinecensorship with the Twitter files.
(22:26):
Like they, it was serious.
And before that, you know, there was,um, they didn't call it cancer culture.
They called it accountability culture.
This was one of the things that droveme out of the Democratic Party and
into, into the world of I don't have aparty, it's that world of, oh, they've
been doing it for several years.
(22:48):
They've been doing the debunking.
They've been, because of, of unpopular,they've been saying that you can't
question medication or you're gonnabe a COVID, deni and killing grandma.
So we're gonna toss you off of every,every thing, like every online platform,
you've gotta go into your hole.
It's happened for years on the left.
And now that the right is in power,they're doing the same thing.
(23:11):
If you are talking about Gaza,you're thrown out of the country.
They're de they're throwingyou out of the military.
If you, if again, probably unwise to putthese things online, I'd be questioning
whether I should give you a gun.
But on the other hand, it's like, hey.
Not reading the room, but at19, did anybody read the room?
And like, you're, you're a dumb ass.
(23:33):
You know?
And if you do dumb assthing yeah, don't do that.
But you know, like losingyour career and your job, man.
I don't know, man.
So it's same thing, powerful peoplewanting to control and controlling speech.
And it's just this, itdoesn't lead anywhere good.
Like, there is nothing good thatcan happen out of the government
(23:54):
stepping in, pressuring.
Tossing people out of the country becauseof speech and pro, you know, political
prosecutions they prosecuted Trumpand now Trump wants to prosecute them.
It's the back and forth.
This is rule of law out the window thing.
Like, ah, all right.
What else is going on in the world?
What,
(24:14):
What
Jerremy (24:14):
else?
How can I not get Dave on a rant?
Let's see.
Dave (24:20):
I'm trying.
Jerremy (24:21):
Yeah, I'm really looking for notes here.
You, no man.
You're doing great.
I think this is what this is about.
We're here to just have funconversations to understand some things.
Uh oh.
You have on here some onlineissues, toxicity via algorithms.
Dave (24:35):
Oh, tell me about
Jerremy (24:36):
that.
Roblox grooming, deep fakescams, pig butchering fraud.
Dave (24:42):
Do you know what any of this is?
You're a bit more onlinethan me right now.
Jerremy (24:47):
I will say this.
I know what deep fake scams are.
Those are
Dave (24:52):
wild.
Alex (24:53):
Dave warns of post-reality traps where online fakes erode
trust, mirroring Jerremy's fears overvoice-cloning scams that hit too close.
If screens blur truth from deception,how can connections survive unchecked?
But next—the jam intensifies with deepfakehorrors targeting identities and wallets.
Jerremy dives into the cowboy chaos of a wrestling-star president hosting UFC
brawls on the White House lawn, while Davecalls it ancient Rome-style distraction.
The stakes escalate—ifbread-and-circus tactics drown real
issues like Gaza and Ukraine, howmuch voter malaise is by design?
Dave (00:18):
In
Jerremy (00:18):
the front lawn of the White House.
They're gonna have a ginormous, notlike a, it's gonna be UFC branded.
Wow.
Which is again, Dana White and Sure.
Good buddies.
Which is fine.
Yeah.
All good.
But I, I am over here thinking to myself,oh my gosh, we have a cowboy in office.
(00:40):
A cowboy.
And that's like
Dave (00:43):
this guy that is like bread and circus.
That is ancient Rome sort of gladiator,let 'em fight tigers kind of thing.
Right?
I mean, but UFC is super popular,so I, I'm not against the idea,
but that's crazy talk dude.
I like UFCI watch all
Jerremy (00:58):
the time.
I have more problem.
I understand it infinitely.
I'm just over here thinking tomyself, wow, they are letting the
president go, Hey, best buddy of mine.
Let's put you front and center for thisreally huge thing that we're doing.
We're gonna celebrate, an importantbirthday in America's milestone.
Yeah.
Milestone birthday, I guess.
(01:19):
And, uh, we're gonna do it with fighting.
Just of all the things to celebrate theAmerican country was, it's like, yeah,
let's just have a giant cage match.
You would only expect that fromsomeone who had been in the World
Wrestling Federation, which he has.
And it makes me want to contact therider and the director of the film
Idiocracy in How, how did you knowI'm in, I you, that is a rewatch.
(01:45):
How did you know
Dave (01:45):
that is a rewatch right now?
Jerremy (01:46):
That we'd all be wearing Crocs and that our president would be
a prior wrestling match, individual.
Like it's just awesome.
Dave (01:57):
It's
Jerremy (01:57):
true.
Truly remarkable, I think.
Uh, so to get back to theinternational thing, man.
Yeah.
Russian forces advanced, I believe.
Somewhere like what, 200 square miles?
Dave (02:07):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:07):
Recently with Ukraine, continually launching drone strikes
Dave (02:12):
Yeah.
Jerremy (02:13):
On Russian targets.
And, uh, receiving 1000 fallen soldierbodies in exchange for just that.
I mean, so there's, there'sstill actively, aggressively
horrifically fighting right now.
And I thought that theysigned a peace deal.
Right.
I thought that Putin didthat with Trump in Alaska.
Mm-hmm.
A month ago.
Dave (02:34):
Yeah.
So that's so happening.
I, yeah.
So we got that going for us.
And it feels to me that everybodywants more regional stuff, whether
it's the Ukrainians wanting topull a NATO in because they can't
fix this right by themselves.
They want a broader regional war.
Or if it's the Israelis bombingseven countries in a year, you
(02:54):
know, it's like, let's mess this up.
Are we saying.
In 2025.
2025, that the very best that wecan do, the very best behavior
is to go and kill other people.
To kill women, to kill children.
That it's okay to bomb people fromthe sky to resolve our issues.
(03:16):
That's where we are in 2025.
And if you say anything againstthat, if you stand up and be like,
Hey, maybe we shouldn't do this.
If there's any opposition to murder, it'santisemitic, it's pro Putin, it's pro
terrorist, or they got what they deserved.
I mean, that's Charlie Kirk, that'sGaza, that's Ukraine, that's all of it.
(03:40):
That putting a bullet in someone'shead, killing their family,
blowing up their children.
Is that gonna changeanybody's hearts and minds?
I mean, does that help anything?
And the people who are online cheeringany of this, supporting all of this
that is barbaric, that is moral rot.
This is deeply anti-human.
(04:03):
And I will put the Trumpadministration on fire for that.
Because we are the one standingup and saying, keep shooting.
Like we're still bombingthings in Somalia.
That is our longest war.
I am donezo.
I'm just like, this isa very small planet.
Oh, you got meti fired up now.
Sorry.
I gotta, I gotta like sit back becauseit's like, it's a small planet.
(04:24):
Let's like treat thisas brothers and sisters.
Good god, what we've been doingsince the caveman days of bashing in
each other's brains hasn't worked.
We've gotta try something else.
Yes, we've got to do something else.
We've gotta be beacons of lightand magic and love and care,
and that sounds like woo woo.
(04:45):
And it sounds all hippie cool.
But you know what?
We haven't tried it.
We haven't tried it.
We've tried everything else, but ah,
Jerremy (04:53):
Yeah.
Getting all the leaders togetherand just, Hey man, let's just
all, breathe it out for two days.
Dave (04:58):
I mean, don't we have to be friends with countries regardless of what they
do, if they have nuclear bombs, youknow, like we've just gotta get along.
It is like, I may not get along withmy neighbor now, but you know what?
They're my neighbor and soI've gotta get along with 'em.
Jerremy (05:13):
Well, so as you, you, when you're talking about bombing people out
of the sky another Venezuelan cartel boat.
No.
Got taken out.
Dave (05:22):
Come on.
Jerremy (05:24):
Yeah.
US forces conducted a secondstrike on September 15th against
the Venezuelan cartel boat andinternational waters killing three
alleged, uh, narco terrorists.
Which is interesting ' causeagain, uh, not even some of the
libertarians, but again, this is wild.
I really didn't think I'd ever saythis, but Tucker Carlson was like,
(05:45):
we sure we should be doing that.
Dave (05:46):
Again, I feel like he's like the liberal hero voice in this Tucker Carlson.
Come on.
He's the one that's like, yep.
Is this a good idea?
Jerremy (05:55):
Yeah, that was kind of, uh, like, are you enlightened?
Tucker?
Dave (06:00):
I'm so confused.
Jerremy (06:01):
And yet next it's gonna be Alex Jones.
When Alex Jones goes, wait a minute.
Wait.
I'm so confused.
We're just bombing everyone.
Uh, we're going to Mexico and we'vejust, we're just bombed a couple
of, uh, well, I mean, I guesswe technically did, didn't we?
Yeah, we did.
We dismantled 750 drug labs and seized 1.5
(06:23):
million tons of fentanylover there in Mexico.
Got it.
And, uh, I don't believe specificallythat we bombed them with drones, but
Dave (06:34):
Who knows?
I'm like, like, would would even,would anybody know if we did,
Jerremy (06:38):
Would even care?
Is really the, the wild questionI'd have to ask in that situation.
And the answer is probably not.
Just looking at the track record.
Dave (06:47):
Yeah.
Jerremy (06:48):
I think it's just a very, again, interesting point
of view to take because I.
This is truthfully to your point,the same discussion that you and I
would be having during Obama's tenure.
Dave (07:03):
Yeah.
Jerremy (07:03):
It would be the same discussion.
Same one.
It's not exactly, it's not here,Dave and I over here just making
fun of Republicans or Democrats.
It is, why are we as a country bombingthe shit out of everyone that we don't
like all the time and not just figuringout other solutions for decades?
(07:24):
That's really all the that's thequestion we're asking like, decades,
Dave (07:27):
trillions of dollars, millions dead, hasn't worked out,
has not worked out like that.
That is the definition of madness.
That is the definition of powerful peopledoing powerful things that don't work.
Like, and then they distract us.
They distract us with nonsense, witheither, rather than paying attention
to like the things that matter most.
(07:48):
None of this matters to anybody.
Well, I mean, not to the people whoare in it, but bombing a or, shooting.
I mean, I don't even know, right?
Droning, droning a boat inthe middle of the Caribbean.
Really?
That's the best way to do this.
I mean, like, that's going to solvesomething millions and millions that,
who makes, you know, who's superhappy about that general dynamics.
(08:11):
They are like, oh, great,I made my bonus this month.
Like, that's, who'sexcited about that one?
Jerremy (08:17):
Yeah.
Raytheon, right?
Lockheed so happy.
The big contractors governmentcontractors, defense contractors.
It is, man, it's really wild.
And I can see the positionthat I'm in right now.
My goal and job is to see as much asI can, as clearly as I can both sides.
Dave (08:36):
Mm-hmm.
Jerremy (08:36):
And.
The side that's extremelyexcited about it.
I think they're excited to theextent of we've painted someone or a
group of individuals as bad, right?
And those bad people must pay andthis is the way of for them to pay.
I think that, let's call itculture or that idolization
(08:58):
of we are good, they're bad.
This is what we do to bad people.
Dumb dumb and played out.
Very, very played out.
Because again, I think there are,and there is a solution somewhere
where if you put Putin and Zelenskyin the same room with Trump, right?
(09:18):
So these three people are in the sameroom together and they play chess for
hours and talk over some coffee and figureout why actually is everyone so angry?
Like, why are you actually fighting?
Get a couple therapists in there.
Get a lot of, get some breath work.
Like, is it worth spending two days tostop that war through humanitarian efforts
(09:41):
and diving deep into the root cause of whythese people are being tyrants probably.
I think that's more worth it thancontinuing to fund the war, spending
billions of dollars and justhaving people just being murdered
continuously every single day.
Dave (09:58):
Right.
These countries are hurting.
I mean, they're hurting, they'reintentionally like hurting themselves.
It's like we want bomb somebody else.
We wanna drone somebody else.
You know, it hurts the United Statesto be like, like, this is the power
we wanna project in our own backyard.
None of this helps us, you know,like is this going to stop the
(10:18):
flow of drugs in the United States?
No.
Like the war of drugs we've alreadyproven that 50 years of war on drugs
not working and bombing somebodyfrom the sky not gonna work.
It hasn't worked.
Hasn't worked.
So like, again, it's deeply anti-humanto say we are going to, first, we're
gonna start with, start with thefirst thing that we're going to do
(10:40):
outta the gate is kill somebody else.
I'm like, holy shit.
They're like, really?
That's the first.
If that's even on the table foranything, it's gotta be the very,
very last, I mean the last one.
Not the first.
We just can't start with that.
And yeah.
Are there bad people out there?
Of course.
Are there times where we have to liketake serious action against people?
(11:02):
Of course there are sociopaths,psychopaths, they run countries.
I get it.
But.
We have to have a moral compass andstick to it even when it's hard.
And that means don't go murdering people.
Don't go killing people.
It's, it can't be thefirst card out of the deck.
Yeah.
You got me going.
(11:22):
All right.
What else is going
Jerremy (11:23):
on?
No, it's good.
Like what else is going,that's why we're here.
That's why our listeners are here.
I like it when Dave gets going.
Well, I mean, we have, uh, theCharlie Kirk Radicalization memorial
that has happened on September 21st.
Dave (11:39):
That was yesterday.
Right.
And I don't know, Ididn't catch any of that.
Did
Jerremy (11:42):
you either yesterday or the day before Yesterday.
Yesterday, yeah.
Sunday.
Man, I'll say this.
Yeah, his.
His wife.
Yeah.
I think very quickly is becoming, uh,a new American hero and rightfully so.
Dave (11:58):
Wow.
Jerremy (11:59):
She is becoming a very, very powerful figure
in the Christian community.
Dave (12:06):
Mm-hmm.
Jerremy (12:07):
Um, she is and publicly she forgave the shooter.
Oh, that's Charlie
Dave (12:11):
Kirk.
That's beautiful.
Jerremy (12:14):
Um, she was really leaning into her faith and open about what Charlie
was trying to do with his life, whichwas to heal and help individuals, like
the gentleman that killed her husband.
Dave (12:26):
Yeah.
And
Jerremy (12:27):
there was a lot of, I feel like there was a lot of polarization in
a good way, polarization to the extentof the individuals that were all there.
Were doing it and were.
We're presenting and placing themselvesin a position of positivity even
though they did have like fireworksdisplays and like a big light
Dave (12:50):
show.
Okay.
Uh,
cool.
I want that.
So just so you know, because,you know, I'm so old that's
exactly what I want at my funeral.
So if you could, I'm gonna, I'mgonna put you down, you know,
like the writer to my will.
It's gonna be like, oh, and Jerremy,if you could, if you could, uh, break
out the sparklers, you know, like Dave.
That's right.
Dave would like sparklers at this.
(13:10):
So, uh, you know, like, just makesure you bring, one of those cool
lighter, you know, not one, notmatches, but legit sparklers.
And, uh, everybody gets those
Jerremy (13:19):
Something cool, something fun, you know, less morbid.
That is what happened.
And it was, here's, itwas a celebration of life.
Dave (13:26):
You know, I know there was, there was a lot of free speech talk
the last couple of weeks, which Iappreciate the free speech talk.
I am not happy about the administrationcracking down on free speech.
And look, there's a lot of hotheads right now all over the place.
A lot of energy going on, and I'm noteven online watching this, and I'm,
I'm it's raised, it's, it's breakingthrough my silence barrier of being
(13:50):
like, okay, people are a little crazy.
And it is a testament to, and I'm gonnagive a big compliment to the pundits
and the leadership on the right.
It is a testament to that crowdthat things haven't melted
down, that there hasn't been.
(14:10):
Retribution that there hasn'tbeen escalating violence.
That it does seem like there's coolerheads right now because it could
have gotten very bad very quickly.
This was a very importantperson to millions of people.
And when very importantpeople get murdered like that,
(14:30):
it causes a lot of crazy.
And so I think it's a big testamentthat we haven't seen worse.
Yep.
Jerremy (14:37):
I mean, it's, yep.
Dave (14:38):
Every time I go I, I, I gotta, I realize that I'm just ranting at you
and I really gotta turn this around.
Yeah.
What so what's next?
People are here.
I mean, what's, what's next for theright on this, the provocative, right?
Like he was a voice of a generation.
He was the voice for the young.
Who's gonna be that voicefor the young, do you think?
(14:58):
Like, it's not gonnabe Nick Fuentes, right?
Jerremy (15:00):
No, I don't believe so.
There will be a lot now.
Dave (15:02):
Yeah.
Jerremy (15:03):
That's the beautiful thing about Charlie that I do believe
that he will and has spurred alot of people to take his place.
Dave (15:10):
Great.
Jerremy (15:10):
And take the place of an independent truth seeker, let's call it.
Dave (15:16):
Yeah.
Jerremy (15:17):
Someone who really is beautifully articulate and cares
about sharing messages and doing itso openly potentially with college
campuses or on school grounds,just to, you know, enlighten the
intellectuals and to enlighten the Yeah.
The younger crowd of this nation.
Personally, man, I think thatwhat his ultimate goal was.
(15:42):
Very profound and very beautiful.
And it was, uh, it's unfortunate that ithad to come to an end, but I think that
that's just the unfortunate aspect ofsomeone that is so skilled and talented
and equipped to argue points and toprovide their opinion so poignantly.
(16:03):
Yeah.
That very, very fewpeople can dismantle it.
Those individuals become extremelydivisive to certain groups of
people that wanna make sure thatthat doesn't happen anymore.
Dave (16:13):
And reasonable talk, it seems right, but reasonable talk, like
didn't demonize in the sense ofdemonize how to say this, you know,
like reasonable arguments, points ofview, even if you disagreed with them.
Right.
You know, not celebrating or goingafter other people in, uh, for, you
know, like there was no name calling.
(16:33):
It was very reasonable.
Measured conversations,debates with people.
Nobody should ever lose their job.
Nobody should ever be de platformedDeb banked de whatevered, right?
Nobody should have like, theirlives taken away from them,
either literally or figuratively.
Because a very reasonable evencontroversial takes on things like
(16:55):
that is like at the core of freespeech to be like, I've got an idea.
It's like, oh, I've got an idea too.
It's like, okay, let's talk this out.
And it's like, are we gonnaagree to disagree on some things?
You bet.
Are we gonna hate each other?
Are we going to label each other?
Are we gonna call each other names?
No.
I mean, that's, that's atthe core of this discussion.
He seemed to be the dude that does that.
(17:16):
And like every.
Nobody should get canceled or thrownout or killed or whatever because
they're having a conversation.
Even if you find it objectionable.
Jerremy (17:27):
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
Yeah, of course.
Right.
I think
Dave (17:29):
like wasn't Kimmel like thrown off the air?
Jerremy (17:32):
Yeah.
He was.
I didn't currently watchexactly what he said.
To make an opinion on if thatwas a noteworthy cause or not.
But here's what I will sayabout it is I think there were
individuals that timed it verypoorly, and if you were going to.
(17:56):
Stand on the ground of free speechand say, I can say whatever I want.
Dave (18:01):
It could happen next month, not this week, right?
Jerremy (18:04):
Probably.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, do we really need to,
Dave (18:06):
do you really need to clamp down on free speech or do you
really need to be like, all happyabout somebody dying right now?
You know, like that's all.
I think he is like, kickeverything to next month.
Jerremy (18:18):
That's it.
I think so, man.
Like bad timing musthave been a bad timing.
Read the room and I thinkthat people didn't, yeah.
People that got fired andcanned did not read the room.
And I'm on the fence of it was like,listen, if you don't have the human
decanter of knowing when you should makefun of someone getting assassinated.
(18:39):
You don't know, like in
Dave (18:40):
4K on tv, you know, like, like, or on the online like 4K, like
right in front of you, like, right.
Oh, like, that is gonnabe burned in my brain.
I wish I hadn't seen that.
Like, Ooh, agreed.
Jerremy (18:51):
And I forget the, probably a valid point.
I forget the comedian theredheaded lady that had the
disassembled head of Donald Trump.
Dave (18:59):
Oh God, yeah.
Kathy, uh, Kathy Griffin,
Jerremy (19:02):
Kathy Griffin.
She did that like a weekafter he got elected.
Um, and there was this wholelike, you know, Trump, right?
Everyone's like excited about Trump andfor her to come out with that again, I
probably wouldn't ever do that personally.
I can read the room pretty well.
Uh, I wouldn't do that with any candidate,for any person for any reason ever, but.
(19:27):
Ever since then, her career wasjust going right down the tube.
And she did, she got canceled ontons and tons and tons of platforms.
And the ironic part is most peopleare like, oh, but the media is
liberal and they're far left andthey're, they're controlled by the pe.
I'm like, yeah, but even if that istrue, which I can't confirm or deny,
I can say for sure that there isprobably an unspoken humanitarian rule.
(19:54):
Yeah.
That's like, listen, regardlessof someone, if they're very, very
popular, let's call 'em a singer.
I'm not gonna name any names.
It'd be awful.
I don't wanna speak it intoexistence, but let's say an
extremely popular musician Sure.
Got assassinated.
Oof.
Well, shoot, let's pick onethat happened in the past.
John Lennon.
Yeah.
(20:14):
Okay.
John Lennon gets taken out.
Within a week.
Massive,
Dave (20:18):
massive grieving like I, within a
Jerremy (20:20):
week, if you begin celebrating that, because you hate John Lennon and
everything he sang for and spoke about, he
Dave (20:26):
was a common liberal.
Like they Oh, right.
People would lose their minds.
Jerremy (20:30):
Yeah.
They probably did lose their minds.
They probably did get fired.
People probably did get canned andcanceled and their shows and radio shows
got, got taken off the air and there wasradio guests that tried to make a joke
about it and they got just disseminated.
I'm sure that happened because there is acertain level of humanitarian respect, at
least in this small circle called America.
Dave (20:49):
Yeah.
Jerremy (20:49):
Because when you start taking the humanitarian and you just go outside
just a little bit, like, you know, 35miles off the coast, when you get into
international waters, then you can startdoing anything you want with human life.
But if it's within the borders of America.
Dave (21:04):
Yeah.
Jerremy (21:05):
35 miles inward.
Then yes.
Be very, very careful what you sayabout anyone that, uh, that gets their
life taken away from them too early.
And I'm actually okay with that.
I'm on the side where like, listen,if you got canned, 'cause you
don't know how to read a room.
Study better, I guess learn when to not do
Dave (21:25):
And I get employers who might be looking at something
and being like, oh man, you putthis online and you work for me.
Mm-hmm.
I question your judgment.
I'm not gonna give youmy budget for my company.
If you're doing this, likeyou're a crazy person.
You know, whether you agree withsomebody or not on anything.
If they put out a controversial takeon something that is very radioactive,
(21:51):
you gotta question their judgment.
You just gotta question theirjudgment on other stuff.
I mean, it just happens.
Jerremy (21:56):
Yeah, I'm with you on that, man.
I get it.
I understand.
It's a situation I'm not reallygonna be actively, feeling.
Sorry for,
Dave (22:05):
and on the other hand the FCC landing on what is he on a, b, c
Kimmel to like, throw him off the air?
Yeah, that's scary.
I'm not down with government doing this.
I wasn't down with the Bidenadministration, creating like ministries
of truth and pressuring onlinecensorship with the Twitter files.
(22:26):
Like they, it was serious.
And before that, you know, there was,um, they didn't call it cancer culture.
They called it accountability culture.
This was one of the things that droveme out of the Democratic Party and
into, into the world of I don't have aparty, it's that world of, oh, they've
been doing it for several years.
(22:48):
They've been doing the debunking.
They've been, because of, of unpopular,they've been saying that you can't
question medication or you're gonnabe a COVID, deni and killing grandma.
So we're gonna toss you off of every,every thing, like every online platform,
you've gotta go into your hole.
It's happened for years on the left.
And now that the right is in power,they're doing the same thing.
(23:11):
If you are talking about Gaza,you're thrown out of the country.
They're de they're throwingyou out of the military.
If you, if again, probably unwise to putthese things online, I'd be questioning
whether I should give you a gun.
But on the other hand, it's like, hey.
Not reading the room, but at19, did anybody read the room?
And like, you're, you're a dumb ass.
(23:33):
You know?
And if you do dumb assthing yeah, don't do that.
But you know, like losingyour career and your job, man.
I don't know, man.
So it's same thing, powerful peoplewanting to control and controlling speech.
And it's just this, itdoesn't lead anywhere good.
Like, there is nothing good thatcan happen out of the government
(23:54):
stepping in, pressuring.
Tossing people out of the country becauseof speech and pro, you know, political
prosecutions they prosecuted Trumpand now Trump wants to prosecute them.
It's the back and forth.
This is rule of law out the window thing.
Like, ah, all right.
What else is going on in the world?
What,
(24:14):
What
Jerremy (24:14):
else?
How can I not get Dave on a rant?
Let's see.
Dave (24:20):
I'm trying.
Jerremy (24:21):
Yeah, I'm really looking for notes here.
You, no man.
You're doing great.
I think this is what this is about.
We're here to just have funconversations to understand some things.
Uh oh.
You have on here some onlineissues, toxicity via algorithms.
Dave (24:35):
Oh, tell me about
Jerremy (24:36):
that.
Roblox grooming, deep fakescams, pig butchering fraud.
Dave (24:42):
Do you know what any of this is?
You're a bit more onlinethan me right now.
Jerremy (24:47):
I will say this.
I know what deep fake scams are.
Those are
Dave (24:52):
wild.
Alex (24:53):
Dave warns of post-reality traps where online fakes erode
trust, mirroring Jerremy's fears overvoice-cloning scams that hit too close.
If screens blur truth from deception,how can connections survive unchecked?
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.