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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome.
My name is Tabitha McDonald.
I am the host of the MindfulLove podcast.
I am so excited to have a veryspecial guest today.
Thomas Worm is a visionaryhealer and entrepreneur with a
unique blend of experience inwildland, firefighting and
alternative healing.
As the founder of Mountain MindTricks, thomas has dedicated
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his life to helping othersovercome anxiety and unlock
their highest potential.
A master practitioner in NLPhypnosis and mental and
emotional release, thomascombines his expertise with
ancient healing arts and Qigongto guide individuals on a path
to speaking with authenticity.
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His transformative approachempowers participants to release
fears, embrace their true voiceand speak from the heart with
confidence.
Welcome, thomas.
I am so grateful for your timeand your energy today.
Please tell my listeners alittle bit about yourself and
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like how you got into this work.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh, thank you so much
for having me and thank you to
everybody listening.
Yeah, for me, you know, I camefrom the wildland firefighting
world.
I worked for the Forest Servicein the mountains fighting fires
for 14 years and through thatprocess it was an amazing job I
found so many incredible, justexperiences and found myself in
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just the most powerful placesyou know in the mountains and
through that I found myself withpost-traumatic stress.
You know, I had a major eventin 2015, losing somebody close
to me, and this is reallychanged my life and it really
put me in a dark space and Ifound my own healing.
I found my own healing throughacupuncture, through Qigong,
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through, you know, really themental, emotional release was
something that just absolutelychanged my life, and so I'm so
passionate about this workbecause I'm not totally sure I'd
be here without these tools.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh, that is so
inspiring.
I know I work with people whohave PTSD and severe trauma in
my clinic.
That's how I got into themind-body integrative work and I
think I love that you foundalternative healing modalities
as a way of really helping youfind your, find your true self,
like really right Step into whoyou are.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
The wounds make you.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Thank you.
Yeah, and now I feel like I'veopened so many gifts and really
stepping into who I am.
Uh, I'm so much more than afirefighter, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So I'm going to give
a little backstory about how
Thomas and I became friends,because it is going to blow your
mind and also help with theconversation around conscious
communication that we're goingto be talking about today.
Thomas and I were at trainerstraining, which is an advanced
training, helping individualsreally embrace how would you
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describe it?
Like it was such a uniqueexperience.
I don't feel like I coulddescribe it the way that I used
to.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I feel like
trainers training is all about
standing in your own light andbeing a presenter, being a
leader, learning how to teachand direct energy in a way that
is just you could changesomebody's life with just the
words and how you presentsomething.
That's really what they'reteaching you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, and it was
amazing and I was terrified to
be there because I didn't knowanyone and I was certain that my
soul had made a mistake bytelling me to go.
And I was hell bent on provingit correct.
And so the first day we weretold to break out into groups
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and I wandered over and foundmyself in a group with five
other people I didn't know and Iwas convinced that they hated
me and I was just convinced thatI wouldn't belong.
And it was so funny Becausethey you were the focus for me
and I don't know if I ever toldyou that, but I was like it's
him, he hates me.
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I can see it in his eyes.
Day two, the um, dr Matt, saysif you're not getting along with
your group, it's not your group, it's you.
And I was like was like that'sbullshit.
And then literally was likecould it be me?
I did all my release work andthen I was like these people are
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amazing.
Why did I not like them aminute ago?
And so that was like how webecame friends was.
I went and I saw him like, oh,he hates me already.
I'm going to put up a wall.
And now I realized that was myshadow coming up and, you know,
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creating barriers to me havingclose friends and like people
that I trusted.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I would love for you
to hear your perspective or how
it was for you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's yes.
I think you know stepping intotrainer's training is.
It's intense because all yourbaggage comes right to the
surface.
You're put in situationsthrough the training to just
really I mean right off the bat,you're presenting, you're
presenting and just being infront of people, I mean the fear
of public speaking is bigger inthe world than the fear of
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death.
So it's a lot.
It's a lot, and for me it was.
I do a ton of speaking and Idid that.
I mean I would instruct 40, 50firefighters to go up on the
hill and put out the fire, youknow.
So I've done a lot of speakingand I feel like it just really
pushed my boundaries as well.
It really did.
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And I also know you're not thefirst person to say that because
I think my energy justsometimes brings up people's
baggage, just my energy alone,because that's what I do creator
?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
yeah, if you say in
one of your speeches?
It was like my favorite.
It was like I am the one whoyour baggage can't hide from.
I don't remember what you said,but it was the best.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, I'm the baggage
, I'm the baggage hunter, that's
for sure, that's what.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's what you said
I was like oh my gosh, you need
to like have that be your newinstagram tagline for like your
handle the baggage hunter oh, Ilove it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
maybe I'll that I'm
getting a guess.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, it was amazing,
like I would say.
Like I'm like I wanted to bethe smoking slayer, but now I'm
like maybe it'll be the painslayer, but like, okay, so
overview, big picture, whatwe're going to talk about today
why I invited Thomas on is weboth share a passion for
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improving communication and tohelp people be more conscious in
how they communicate with eachother, and so we're going to
talk about consciouscommunication today and also
like what that means.
So, thomas, what does that meanto you?
How would you describe it to afriend?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, conscious
communication.
It's as if the energy from yourmind is trickling down through
your body and you're able tohelp somebody else see the
picture in your mind so they canget on board, they can actually
be in rapport, they canactually understand and in a way
it is learning how to createthe same neurons from your body
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to somebody else's body withjust your words.
Oh, I love that, yeah, is thisup to do with like mirror
neurons.
Exactly so.
The pictures we're having inour mind, we can absolutely
influence somebody else throughour communication, to have
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mirror neurons.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, energetic, like
fully aligned with your heart
and not your wound, and thatwould explain it so often we are
communicating from our wounding.
We are not communicating fromour heart.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So true, so true yeah
.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I love it, Okay.
So why does this matter?
Why should people care?
Other people don't do it.
Why does it?
What are all the cool kids onTikTok doing this?
Why does this matter?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, I think in our
world right now, communication
is a huge problem.
I mean it can be in yourrelationship, in your career and
almost in every aspect of yourlife communication can show up
as a problem.
Just think about the simplethings like washing the dishes
and your partner right, likethat's the thing that's going to
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kick off an argument.
But that's not actually theproblem.
The problem is you didn'tcommunicate about something last
week or all week or the lastyear.
You know what I mean.
So these communication issues,they seem to like stack up and
create huge problems yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's like not
taking out the garbage every day
and all of a sudden you'repissed that the entire kitchen
is flooded with like moldyleftovers.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right, right, right,
absolutely.
And.
And these miscommunications,like you said earlier, it's it's
some of it is because we'recommunicating from earlier.
It's it's some of it is becausewe're communicating from, from
our fear, or we're communicatingfrom some space that's not an
empowering state, and so it'sall about how can you be
empowered and actually speakyour truth.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I love that.
So, like, I think this wordempowerment is thrown around a
lot and I would love to simple.
I love simplifying things forpeople.
What does that actually mean?
Like, I love it when we cantake a word that is like a
catchphrase and then likeactually break it down and be
like well, what does it fullymean to be empowered, Like?
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, in my mind and
I'm going to do a little
pre-frame here is really, youknow, highest self is the
highest version of who we are inall realms, all possibilities,
all timelines.
Like this is the highestversion of you in all aspects.
When we can embody our highestself and just be that in the
moment, that's empowerment.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, that makes
sense.
Yeah, I would also like to addthat it's where we're not
reacting.
We're actually choosing whowe're being.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Somebody makes you
mad and you're reacting from the
past instead of choosing whoyou're being in the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
Yeah, it's about being presentand being like again, being
aware of who you really are yeah, who you really are.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Not who you're
choosing to be, but who you
really are like light, being, ofbeing, of like, infinite wisdom
and potential that's right Ilove that.
Okay, this is great.
So, like, like, if we thinkabout, like why, why this
matters, like, where has poorcommunication impacted?
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Like work, maybe?
Like let's talk about work fora moment, because I know, read
an email and if I didn't likethe person, I would be like look
at what this person said and Iwould like read it in my voice
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of anger and then he would belike, is that really what the
email said?
Just like that.
And then he would read it backto me in like different voices
and I would get mad because hewas right.
And so I was thinking aboutthat, like in this world of
electronic communication and Imean it's not just work, right,
like if you get a text messagefrom your spouse and it's like,
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did you eat?
Yet?
You could hear it like, did youeat yet?
Like, did you eat?
Like there's so many differenttones that you could read it in.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
That's so true and
it's such an amazing example,
because I've had that experienceso many times where you're
reading the email and you'relike, oh no, like this is really
pissing me off.
But then okay, wait like 10, 15minutes, come back, do some
breathing.
Look at the email and it's justlike what was I even upset
about?
Like I don't even this hadnothing to do with the email.
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And actually, because yourbrain like I know my brain like
it deleted the word distortedwords, like generalized things.
So all of a sudden it's likethe communication just wasn't
even clear, because I wasn'teven open to accept the
communication.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah.
Our emotional state when we'rereading something has a lot to
do with that, would you agree?
Absolutely, yeah, our emotionalstate when we're reading
something has a lot to do withthat, would you agree?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Absolutely,
absolutely.
Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, so like if
we're reading something from a
state of frustration oragitation.
The words on the page, or thewords even another person is
saying to us, will carry thatenergy.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, I was just
going to say even you know,
let's go a little bit biggerpicture.
Instead of an email, it's justa conversation with, say, a
friend, right, and you're inthis emotional state.
There's something going on yourmind's maybe spinning about
something else.
You are actively deleting,distorting, generalizing things
that person's saying and you're,if you're not active listening
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and not really present, there'sno way you're going to
understand what they're actuallytrying to communicate to you.
You're going to create a storythat's not real.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Can you get like for
people who don't know what NLP
is and don't know it delete,distort and generalize are?
Can you explain like basicconcept of what that means?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, and NLP
is a it's a horrible name, we'll
just go over it quickly.
Neuro-linguistic programmingit's our nervous system, it's
the language in our mind.
So how language createspictures in our mind and how
those pictures create programs,patterns, habits, to tell a
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story, I think will help betterexplain this idea of deleting,
generalizing, distorting.
Is that experience when you'releaving the house but you can't
find your keys, and now you'repissed and you're rushing.
You're like I've lookedeverywhere, I've looked in the
drawer.
You're to the point whereyou're looking in drawers where
you know the keys aren't there.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
The camera in my
house in the morning.
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You're like, where
the hell are my keys Right?
And then you're something flips.
You're like, okay, I'm justgoing to look one more time on
the kitchen table and there theyare.
You've looked there a hundredtimes but you, your brain,
actually deleted them.
So this is a really goodexample of they were there the
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whole time, but you were in sucha rush and such a state that
you actually could not see themat a physical level.
And so this is happening.
You know, distorting would belike maybe you saw the keys, but
they weren't the right keys,Right?
You know what I mean.
So in this metaphor, it'sreally when we get into that
emotional state, or really allthe time, we have to delete,
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distort and generalize things.
It is an active part of ourbrain and our psychology and,
just from a neuroscience level,it's how we put reality together
.
It's how we put realitytogether.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Reality is so
overwhelming from an unconscious
level that we have to delete,distort, generalize things to
actually be coherent.
That happens in communicationall of the time, right?
Like because if we're notlistening actively and our mind
is on a million other thingslike oh, I got to make dinner,
I've got to get the kids to likebasketball tonight and I have
to do all of the laundry Like ifthat's the script running in
your background, it's reallyhard to take in information that
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someone is saying to youbecause you can't really hear
them.
You're hearing the busyness,right, that the burdens of the
good burdens and bad burdens,but, like, the responsibility is
a better word of life.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, yeah.
And I think it comes back tothe foundation of like, active
listening.
Like, are you listening?
Are you acting like you'relistening?
You know what I mean?
That's, there's a hugedifference from actually
listening and, uh, acting likeit, cause we do that, we all do
that.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Oh yeah, I love that
you said that, because I would
say after I studied intuitionand I would say like all my
baggage popped out like avolcano erupting across the
island of Hawaii, I had to studyintuition and learning how to
be intuitive requires presence,and everyone in my life after I
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went through that experiencesays I've never felt like you
were present before, and now,when you're with me, like you're
with me, like there's no,you're not anywhere else, you're
really here.
And it's interesting becausethey almost don't remember what
it feels like to be the otherway.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, and it really.
You know this is a beautiful.
You know transit, what, what?
Yeah, what I want know this isa beautiful.
You know transit, what, what?
Yeah, what I want to say is anidea that comes from qigong we
can talk about that on anotherpodcast but an idea is that we
always start with the body,because the mind and the
emotions can be anywhere, it canbe in different times in
different space, like the mindand emotions are all over the
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place, but if we start with thebody, now we're in the present.
Just a really cool idea.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
I love that.
I have not known that aboutQigong, but that makes sense to
me as a body worker, especiallybecause that's usually people
will come in with amanifestation of not being
present, through pain orautoimmune disorders or other,
you know, diseases that havebeen untreatable and traditional
paths.
So I love that love it um.
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So I, what we're, we, thomas andI decided that we really wanted
to discuss um a little bit ofinformation that would help
everybody today walk away with abetter understanding of how we
take in communication and thengiving you some really practical
tips at the end so that you canincorporate them right now,
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like you don't have to wait andtake our conscious communication
class, you can just likeactually implement them while
you're on this call.
So we we're gonna start with alittle bit of education around
what, like what are theimportant things to know about
communication, thomas?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
yeah, I think it
really starts with uh, something
in in, uh, in psychology wecall rapport, and and this would
be the foundation andtransitioning beautifully from
starting with the body Likelet's start with the physiology,
because if we really break downcommunication, only about 7% of
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communication is our words.
Isn't that amazing?
Like what we're actually saying, the specific words don't
actually matter that much.
And then about 30% somewherearound there is our tonality, so
the way you say it, and thenabout 55% is actually your
physiology.
So this is such a mind blowing.
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When I heard this I was likewhat?
I don't get it and we have togo beyond that.
It's not the words that areimportant, it's the pictures in
our mind that's important.
And the way we actuallycommunicate in a way that's
coherent and conscious is thatwe are aware of the mind, like
the picture that's in my mind.
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I want to have the other personhave that same picture.
How do I get there?
First, we've got to buildrapport with the body.
So one of those ways is reallymatching and mirroring their
body.
Like, maybe, if they have theirlegs crossed, cross their legs,
you know, look at your ownposture If your arms are crossed
and you've got this kind ofclosed off posture.
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They're not going to be open toyou, so it's all about matching
and mirroring their actualphysiology, which is a huge.
It will change everything.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I love that for
in-person stuff, especially
people who work with humanbeings, which is one of us with
human beings, which is us um,like when I have a new client
come in, I start with rapport,like, especially if they're in a
trauma state or they don't havea lot of um, uh, they don't.
They don't trust easily andthey're there because they're
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them and they know that theyneed to see me.
I immediately start with, likemirroring and matching their
tonality, their languagepatterns, their body language,
their sitting, and I wait untilI see if I make a movement, do
they follow me?
And then I know that rapportand trust has been built.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Beautiful, and you
know we call that leading and
pacing.
It's really building rapportwith your body and then seeing,
okay, let's uncross the legs andsee if they do it too.
And now you're in.
Now we can start exchanging, um, you know, really, at this
point you've got some mirrorneurons going and you can start
communicating not just withwords but with your mind too.
So what's so amazing is is,like you just said, the tonality
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too, Like if somebody's kind ofa slow talker and you come at
them really fast, like you'regoing to break rapport and
they're not going to listen toanything you're saying, Like
you've got to match that, theslow pace, the really you know
deeper tone, to really matchthem Totally ways of talking.
Maybe it's not your style,right, it will change it, it
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will change that okay.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So I love that you
said that like you have to,
because I know a lot of peopleare probably like why should I
have to?
And so that was just what cameinto my head, because I remember
like when I went to like anal-anon meeting, I was like why
do I have to be here?
I'm not the one with thedrinking problem.
And so the question is like whyshould we take responsibility
for this in communication?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, I think it
really comes back to any
resistance to what you're sayingis a sign of it's a lack of
rapport.
That's all it is Like.
If you're in rapport, they'regoing to listen to you, be on
board, and they're gonna be.
They might not be in agreementwith everything you're saying,
but they're open, right, and soif there's any resistance it's,
it's just not.
There's not enough rapport yetright.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's like it's
creating an openness for
conversation because, like howmany times do we just get locked
in with another human being andwe're not listening and we
can't hear because we're innerwounding and if one of us in the
conversation has to decide thatwe want the conversation to
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just end well yeah it's end well.
It doesn't matter who's right orwrong, it just has to end well
yeah I think that rapportbuilding is a way of saying you
know what I'm actually in theend result of.
I want this conversation tohave a positive outcome for both
of us.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, Like, yeah.
Have you ever met somebodywhere, like you have a
conversation with them, it's sointriguing and inspiring?
You're just like, you're sodrawn into this person and
you're just your mind just kindof goes blank and you're just
listening because you're justenthralled with what they're
saying.
Like that's rapport, that israpport and that's how that's
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our goal for communicating ineverything in our career,
relationships with our kids,with our family.
Like we want to have thatfeeling of like.
Oh, my God, I really want tolisten to this person.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I love that you said
that because, like I think
people don't know how tocommunicate with their teenagers
.
I love talking to teenagersbecause I can build rapport with
them so quickly by changing thecadence of my voice and like
asking them a couple ofquestions and I totally match
their, their body, but like up alevel so that they know I'm not
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trying to be a teenager.
Like you know, when I'm makingfun of my son and I call him bra
all the time, that's what hecalls me Like.
That's like that's what I'mtalking about.
I mean like where I can like gojust a little bit above where
they're at, so they know I'm nottrying to like imposter my way
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into the teenageness, but likewhere I can communicate with
them and they know that I getthem and I like will match their
body posture.
My son's very like slow andmethodical and if I go in like
my true energetic self, he'slike I can't hear you.
So I have to be like him whenI'm talking to him and I love it
because then he opens up and hetells me things that I think a
lot of parents don't have intheir communication with their
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teenagers.
Like I mean, I get the goodstuff, because I can, like, do
this thing that we're talkingabout right now, which is
building rapport, without beingconsciously aware of it, cause
it's just part of my makeup now.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, and I think you
hit on something that's so
important and this is, you know,one of the reasons why I see so
many firefighters in mypractice is there's actually a
language barrier, and I thinkthere's a thing from even from a
parent to a teenager, there'sactually a language barrier,
like the yes, we speak the samelanguage, but it's more, like
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you just said, the key wordslike bro, like there's so many,
there's so many words that, like, what does that even mean?
Right up with those words, itpeople, they feel like, oh, you
get me, like, oh, my god, like Ican talk to you now.
It's so amazing.
Just use their and you hear itin their conversation.
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Pick up a couple words like, oh, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
like you know, use
that word you knew I was gonna
bring up that example, didn'tyou?
Thomas is the genius at thisthird day, our last day of
trainers, training ourfacilitator, or the, the person
who was?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
evaluating evaluating
.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Thank you, um, I went
first, bombed it.
I was sitting in there stewingin my own garbage and, uh,
thomas, like he gets up, and hechanged his entire presentation
and started mirroring herlanguage and I was like that
freaking genius oh my god, he'sa genius.
I think that was the moment Iknew we needed to teach
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communication together yeah, andthat's uh.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I heard, yeah, I
heard her use the word beautiful
so many times like, I'm okay,I'm gonna pick up on that, and
it's just so.
When we have the physiologyrapport, we have the tone and we
start using some key words,people are like talk to me,
what's going on, talk to me,goose, you know what I mean.
It's like yeah, right, you getme.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Draw them in.
You get me.
You get my language right.
If you go to a foreign countryand you try to speak their
language, even if you do thebest you can're, it's like they
appreciate it that, that you getthem and that you take the time
to understand them.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
It matters it does.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
it does, yeah,
especially in communication,
because people want to feelheard, they want to feel seen,
they want to feel, um, validated, right, and when we don't take
the time to pay attention towhat they're doing or how
they're communicating, we're notreally listening, we're not
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hearing them.
And we all love to just beheard.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I mean we all love to
simply be heard.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yes, yeah, and you
know, I think part of this is
absolutely building rapport yourtonality and words with other
people, and it does start withlistening to yourself oh, I love
that.
Tell me more yeah, it's reallylike if we say, like I really
want this in my life, but thenyou do something else, like now
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you're creating this, thismiscommunication within yourself
, and that's going to show up ineverything else you're doing oh
, I love it.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Self-conscious
communication, I'm gonna.
I'm in your way.
How do we congruent your wordsto yourself?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah powerful.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That's really
powerful.
We will talk about that on ournext episode because I believe
Thomas and I have a lot more todiscuss together and also we're
very excited to be doing a betalaunch of our new conscious
communication class.
It's a two-day seminar.
We're putting it together, sowe're actually asking for a
small group of people who areinterested in giving us some
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feedback and learning a lot ofthe principles of conscious
communication and, moreimportantly, very powerful tools
for mind, body, soul,integration of how you
communicate with others, andwe're still working on all of
the messaging and copying a copy.
But this is this is basicallyour intention is to help people
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become more empoweredcommunicators in all areas of
their life.
And we're excited to co createthis with each other and bring
it into the world.
Yeah, so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And you know I feel
like we're laying some beautiful
foundation.
It's and you know I feel likewe're laying some beautiful
foundation.
It's really about you know howcan we communicate with
ourselves, with other people,with the things around us?
And at a certain level, it isabout communicating with
consciousness.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Definitely yeah, and
I love that because I think that
our communication blocksintuition and it's the voice in
our head that says, you know,don't trust the voice in your
head like it's the voice of fearand doubt and um worry that
blocks, like intuition fromcoming in and so vacation truly
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is the foundation of accurateintuition.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah, and I can
tell you, intuition literally
saved my life a thousand timesfirefighting.
There'd be times where it wasthey told you go down this road
and it's just like nope, I'm notdriving down there.
There's no, I don't know why,but I'm not going down there,
and some spiritual stuff wouldhappen and that whole cannon
(30:06):
would blow out.
Like I told you not to go downthere, like, okay, now I'm gonna
listen that is powerful and Ihave full body shivers like that
is powerful.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
That is the power of
like, listening to and trusting
your intuition yeah, absolutelythat's like heroic I think we
all want that in our life.
We do, don't we?
We all want to make an impactand be someone's hero, and like
what an amazing thing that yourcrew had you on board to listen
to your intuition and lead themout of danger.
(30:40):
That's yeah.
Thank you for your service.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, today was great
, I think, if I was to offer a
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key takeaway from today how wecan use our body to build trust
with people, to help us haveclearer communication from a
loving and compassionate place,not from our wounding Love.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That I love, that
Great compassionate place not
from our wounding Love that Ilove that Great.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
And then if you would
like to find out more about
Thomas and the work he does, howdo they find you?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, you can find me
on mountainmindtrickscom and
also mountainmindtricks onInstagram and I have my own
podcast, mountain Mind TricksPodcast, and I also have a
tricks on Instagram and I havemy own podcast, mountain mind
tricks podcast, and I also havea book on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, seven ways to
medicine and yeah.
So those are all the good stuff.
And he also has a meditationpack on Spotify.
I will put the link in the shownotes.
It is so good, I love it, andright before we did our final or
first presentations, I waslistening to it and I felt such
as a sense of calm and just likeenergy, of just connectedness
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to source, and it was sopowerful.
So I'm going to put that linkin my show notes so that you
have the link to Spotify as well.
Great, great meditation album.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Awesome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, well, thank you
, thomas, I'm so excited and I
will also put a registrationlink If you're interested in
being in our beta class to giveus feedback on our first run
with our conscious communicationclass.
That's going to be in person inthe portland area, so I will
put that link in as well and, um, just thank you so much for
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coming today.
I'm so grateful that Iintuitively wandered over to
your group and that I myintuition, told me to stick with
you for the entire time,because I just feel like you've
been such a blessing in my lifeand though just the knowledge
and just the respect I have foryou and the life that you've
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lived and where you're taking itnow and how you're really truly
like, taking your, your purposeand bringing it into the world
fearlessly, I just really haveso much respect for you as a
human being and, um, your pathand your journey, and I love
your fire.
Stories Like there's I got tolisten to two solid weeks best
(33:40):
stories ever.
I can't wait to have more ofthem on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh, that's great.
Uh, I appreciate everything youjust said Really on my podcast.
Oh, that's great.
I appreciate everything youjust said Really beautiful words
.
Thank you very much.
I'm so happy to be here and I'mexcited for us to talk more,
because we have a lot to sharewith you all.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Definitely.
Thank you and everyone have abeautiful, beautiful day.