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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome.
My name is Tabitha and I am anintuitive coach, a body worker
and a mom, and today I want totalk about the mother wound,
want to, or feel compelled to,let's see, probably more
compelled to.
This is a conversation that Ithink needs to be happening more
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, conversation that I thinkneeds to be happening more, but
it's also a really difficult onefor me to talk about, probably
because the wound is is prettydeep for me and also painful.
It is a painful wound.
Um, I'll tell you a little bitabout the mother wound from my
perspective and why I think itneeds to be talked to more in
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our society, and openly, so thatpeople can bring the shadows
out into the light and to healthem, because our world has a
mother wound that is, I think,really deep and pervasive in our
society in general.
I often tell my clients,especially my coaching clients
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in recovery, that I think one ofthe most dangerous things on
our planet is a wounded woman,and that is because her wound
will bleed through the familysystem and destroy family units
way more impactfully thananything else.
And that is because thatunhealed wound doesn't
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understand secure love and itcreates a perpetual cycle of
anxious, avoidant attachmentstyles, which creates this deep
wounding in our society and itit tears families apart.
It tears them apart, and I'm Ijust want to know, you to know,
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as I'm starting to talk aboutthis, that nothing I'm saying is
intended to shame, diagnose orto belittle anyone's life
experience.
I think that, as someone whoreally worked through the wounds
that I had and then, you know,unconsciously even created for
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my own children, that radicalself-accountability on this
topic is where we kind of needto go with it.
There doesn't need to be anyshame.
This is like generations ofhumans who were not taught how
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to love one another.
This is a true pandemic in oursociety and it's hurting us,
it's making us sick, it's makingus live with way more pain than
we need to be living with andit's holding us back from
stepping into authenticity loveconnection like real connection,
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not false connection, butgenuine, unconditional love and
connection.
And it's sad, it makes me sadwhen I think about it.
I feel sad for my own innerchild wound and I don't even
really like saying that, but thetruth is there is an inner
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child wound that needed to behealed for myself.
So I'm going to just backtracka second and tell you a little
bit about my story.
I know I've covered it in mypodcast, but today I want to
just speak from my heart and notworry about anything other than
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helping you know that there's apath and a way forward.
That may not be conventional,but it might be the path for you
.
I was.
It was back in 2020, a clientof mine was talking to me about
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triangulation patterns and I hadnever heard about it before.
I know I had done an episodebefore on triangulation, but
basically it's the victim, hero,villain cycle and I thought to
myself like I had never evenheard of that before.
Why have I not heard about itand I don't even know what it is
?
And I immediately, because backthen I was big into learning
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about just human dynamics andrelationships, and I still am,
but I was like starving forknowledge because there was
something not right in my lifeand I couldn't put my finger on
it.
It was just like I could nevermaintain my health goals, I
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could never maintain myfinancial goals, I could never
find relationships that weredeeply satisfying, supportive
and like nurturing and you knowwhere I felt safe and there was
just like one thing would goright in my life and then
something else would fall and Icouldn't figure out what was
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wrong with me.
Like I was on this deep, deepquest to discover why I was so
broken.
And I read books like the upperlimit syndrome and it was like,
oh, you're just hitting yourceiling.
And I was like, yeah, but why?
Why do I?
Why can't I get past thatceiling?
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Why is it that I can't havelife be better?
And you know, I have years andyears of journals of pain, but I
wasn't registering it as pain,I was just more like no, these
are just people that are, youknow, inconveniencing me.
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So back to the story.
So when I first sorry, this ishard for me to talk about, so I
can feel my mind gettingdistracted because it's like, no
, don't tell the painful story,it's not safe.
I had to contend with that thismorning, but I feel like it's
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time to talk about it moreopenly.
So my client came in.
He talked to me abouttriangulation and I started
studying about it and I realizedthat I felt like the villain in
my family of origin all of thetime.
And I didn't realize that'swhat I was feeling, because I
always thought the villain wouldbe like the narcissistic person
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, because I always thought thevillain would be like the
narcissistic person.
No, it's usually the villainwho is being catapulted into
that position by someone whoneeds to be seen as a hero or
someone who needs to be seen asa victim.
And everyone needs a villain,right.
So, to be the hero, you can'tbe one without the villain.
Hero, you can't be one withoutthe villain.
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And I had so much shame that itwas like just this suit of
shame in my body that I didn'treally understand at the time
where it came from or how it wascreated.
But once I started studying thedynamics of narcissism and the
codependent relationship,studying the dynamics of
narcissism and the codependentrelationship, I realized that
I'd lived in that prison mywhole life and there was a few
books that really helped me.
The first was the Human MagnetSyndrome.
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That one helped me understandboth parties in that dynamic and
how they're attracted to oneanother.
Another one is it was thePassive, aggressive Narcissist,
and I remember that bookcompletely shattered my reality
because as I was reading it now,I had owned this book for three
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years before I read it.
I tried to read it three yearsbefore but something stopped me.
I'm pretty sure it was the partof my ego that didn't want me
to see the truth.
And that will happen on yourjourney, especially if you're
really seeking truth, becausethere are parts and aspects of
you that do not want to heal,and for good reason.
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I mean, it's not a fun journeyall of the time.
It's hard and it'sheartbreaking, and there's a lot
of heartbreaking and there's alot of pain and there's a lot of
loneliness that needs to bereleased from your body.
And so the passive, aggressivenarcissist.
I remember when I read that andI was like, wow, this just
explained my whole life.
And I don't know if you've everhad that experience where you
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had like a book or you saw apost or you know a YouTube video
and you were like, oh my God,that literally explains my whole
life.
That was that book for me.
And I remember I read it and Icalled my father and him and my
mom had been divorced for 40something years, like they
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weren't together, and I said wasmy mother, is my mother a
narcissist?
And his reply was immediatelylike, oh, you know, your mom had
a hard life and she had a lotof trauma.
And I said, yeah, but thatdoesn't.
That doesn't negate the factthat is she a narcissist.
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And I think at that moment Irealized what I was really
dealing with and it's like themoment you see the truth of
something.
You can't unsee it.
And I really started lookinginto narcissistic abuse and what
that looks like in your life asa grownup.
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And now I knew I was alwaysdating people who were either
addicts or had strongnarcissistic tendencies.
I don't really like diagnosingpeople as narcissistic.
I'll just say like thebehaviors of narcissism, so we
can remove the need to diagnosepeople, because I think that a
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lot of the time we get stuck onthe diagnosis instead of just
saying these behaviors createthis reaction in a relationship.
Gaslighting to me is lookingback, one of the greatest things
that not greatest, I mean hadthe biggest impact on my ability
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to trust myself.
And as I've been going down thepath of waking up to my
intuition and, you know,listening to my higher self and
my spirit guides and you knowthose types of things that have
been coming into my life, thegaslighting has made me trust
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myself the least and I would saythat that was the hardest thing
for me to heal from, becauseonce the gaslighter's out of
your life.
If you were raised innarcissistic family systems,
chances are you gaslightyourself a lot, especially when
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they're gone, because thatcommunication style, that level
of control and manipulation, ispart of the structure of love
and that unconscious structureof love is what governs a lot of
your patterns of behavior andthat I think is so sad and
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miserable to recover from.
Because I used to love my mindand I remember the other day I
actually had written in myjournal when I was doing an
automatic writing journal, whenI was doing it in automatic
writing, it's part of anintuition training was don't
trust your mind.
Today and later that same day Iwas having these thoughts that,
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like certain people, couldn'tbe trusted in my life and that I
was alone and that everyone wasout to get me.
And this is not a pattern thatI get into very often, um,
especially since I've done a lotof the healing work around this
wound.
Um, but that particular day Idefinitely I could feel the old
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rumination patterns coming intomy mind and I remember I always
seem to pick up my automaticwriting right when I need to
read it and I was about to liketext somebody how horrible they
were and that I didn't want themin my life anymore.
And then I read, don't trustyour mind today.
And I had to take a deep breathand go oh, what is my, what is
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my like ego doing right now?
And I was like, oh, it'svillainizing people that you
might care about.
And that is scary to me becauseI think when you can't see it,
it's like something takes over,like it puts on a different pair
of glasses and you can't seeoutside of it.
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You don't even know you're init because it's so real.
And when I picked up my bookand I read that and I just
started breathing into my heartand I started connecting back in
with my higher self, and one ofthe tools that I do a lot is
I'll say higher self, just comein and take over.
And because the higher selfdoesn't have the wound of
narcissism, it's not there, it'snot in your soul.
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This is a human wound, this isnot a soul wound.
This is, I mean.
It doesn't mean that your soulcan't carry it from lifetime to
lifetime.
However, this is a humancondition of the ego.
This is not like on that soullevel.
So I breathe into my higherself and I'll just say higher
self, come in, I give youpermission, like just take over
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for a minute and breathe into myheart and when I do that,
something shifts and it's almostlike that filter of pain and
separation and terror melts.
And then I'm just reminded thatwe're all human beings having a
human experience, and somesigned up for the pain and
torture series and the you know,and so we're healing from that.
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So that is one of the best waysto just kind of get onto your
wound and your ego.
And the reason I'm talking aboutthis today specifically is that
Mother's Day is coming up onSunday and I feel like a lot of
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people and I'm not going to sayjust women, but people have a
mother wound and Mother's Daycan be really challenging for
those of us who have a deepwound from the feminine and it
can make us not trust women.
It can make us have a lot ofand if you're a woman and you
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don't trust women, that createsa problem, because then you
don't really don't trustyourself In the male-female
dynamic of a relationship.
That unhealed feminine woundcan create massive conflict and
lack of trust and respect in arelationship.
I see this often with myclients, especially my coaching
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clients who want to havechildren, but they're so
terrified of them inflicting thesame wound on their own
children.
And you know they're alsoafraid of of, like, their wound
coming up, because it does.
I mean, our kids bring ourwounds up Like that's what
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they're there for.
They're little wound irrupors,um, and they're all healers too,
you know, like they help usheal those wounds.
But, um, so just to backtrackand stay focused on the mother
wound, um, if you have a woundthat feels like it's just like
you can't even address itbecause there's so much salt in
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the wound, I want you to knowthat there are ways to heal it
faster than you've been told Now.
I tried therapy.
It did not work for me becausemy structure of my conscious
mind to protect my pain was sogood, it was so great that I
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would give the therapist afabulous story and then they
would never be able to getdeeper than that, because I
could not get deeper than that.
So I had all of these behaviors.
I couldn't shift and I wouldoutsmart and I don't mean that
like in a positive way any kindof like professional who tried
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to help me.
That is literally why I'm thebiggest advocate for intuitive
coaching, because us, and likethose of us who are trained
responsibly with intuition cansee right past your firewall and
there's like like, for instance, I can see the pattern clearly
that's running across all of thedifferent areas of your life
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and it's like this how I like toexplain it to people is let's
say, you want to lose weight ormake more money or find a love
match.
Those are the three biggies,right In any in in in the world.
Those are the three thingspeople want the most.
And purpose.
And let's say like oh, thingsare going great in your health
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journey and you're losing weight, but then, like the your, you
don't feel like yourrelationship is is going to hold
up with this transition, right,or maybe you stop making as
much money.
The sabotage pattern needs toexist in your consciousness in
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order to keep proving the truthof your family of origin, the
lies that you were told, thecontracts that you made with
your parents and I have otherpodcast episodes on that.
So, and I'm not going to godeep into that but basically, if
you're unconscious, if youridentity says I'm not worthy of
love, when you start lovingyourself, you'll find some place
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of your house to move thatbaggage, some place of your
house to move that baggage.
So you might take that intoyour relationship, you might put
it into your career, you mightput it into your purpose, you
might put it into your community.
That box of junk, which is whatthose old beliefs are, has to
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live in this house, has to livein this house.
And that's why, like when yougo after the relationship wound
or the body wound or the youknow money wound, whatever it is
that you want to create, andyou're only looking at that,
some other area of your lifemight fall if you're not looking
at the entire structure of yourreality.
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And that is what what I woulddo would be like okay, I'm going
to take this codependent, um,wounded, you know identity
structure and I'm going to moveit from my health over here to
my relationship.
So, as I started getting healthy, it always seemed like my
partner would have somethingagainst me, or I would move it
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over to my career, likesomething would start failing
over there, or even like, oh, mykids are taking this from me
and I can't get this done.
And it always had to exist.
And so when I started studyingwith Chris Duncan and William
Whitecloud's work and ColetteStryker and these people who
were addressing trauma in anentirely different way.
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I realized that the reason Ihadn't been able to shift things
like my weight and my financesand my relationships was because
my unconscious programming wasso anchored in narcissistic
abuse that anytime I tried to gofor something, even though
there were no more narcissistsleft in my life, I would create
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my own narcissistic structurewhere I was becoming my own
narcissist and that's like theinner critic and the self-doubt
and the self-gaslighting andmanipulation.
And so when we look at, likewhat William Whitecloud teaches,
it's all about structuralalignment like you need to
create the blueprint for the newhouse that you want to live in
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and that new house is going tohave the type of furniture that
you want, the people you want,the experiences you want.
And as you focus on that kindkind of the old blueprint, the
old structure is just going tocollapse.
And then Colette Stryker took Ithink his name was Fritz Gary
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Flint's work on superconsciousand she integrated that into her
healing modalities and that waswhere we could use this higher
self to come in and help justblow up the boxes and be like,
okay, they don't need to bethere anymore, let's just get
rid of the boxes.
And, chris.
What he did was he took the twoof them and brought them
together and said actually, whatwe need to do is we need to
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create the new structure and weneed to blow up the boxes.
And that's a lot of how I workand how I teach in my coaching
programs is let's create a lifethat's so beautiful and
meaningful to you that thisstructure of narcissistic abuse
doesn't exist there.
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So we're not going to be takingthe boxes, we're not moving
them from room to room.
We're basically burning it downand creating an entirely new
structure.
Now, there's a lot of thingsfrom the old house we're going
to keep right.
We might really like them.
So when I say burning it down,I don't mean like literally, but
we're going to be taking a lotof the parts and aspects of us
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with us, because that's who weare.
Yeah, it is an interestingjourney to go on and I would say
it feels a lot like if I had toexplain it to someone who
didn't understand what it feelslike being in prison, like your
whole life, and then one daybeing given the key to your
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freedom and you're kind of likekicked out into the world and
you don't really know how to befree.
That's a lot of what it feelslike coming out of the prison of
narcissism and codependency,and a lot of the time it can be
painful and it can be reallylonely Because your entire world
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is going to shift and changeand narcissists are not going to
want to be around you anymore.
They just don't like youanymore and congratulations.
It's lovely.
But also when most of yourworld was narcissism and
codependency and then you leavethat world, you're like, oh no,
like what do I do now?
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And then you kind of meet thesecure attachment people who
don't understand that world atall and you feel weird, like, oh
well, I don't know how to fitin with you either.
You guys don't even understandthe planet I just came from, and
so it leaves you kind of inthis limbo place of where do I
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belong and where do I fit in?
Because I don't want to be inthe world of codependency and
narcissism anymore.
And you know, that's what I'mfamiliar with.
I also don't understand thesepeople living over here in
Secureville.
Like they're weird, like theynever oh they didn't have to
worry about you know any of thethings that I grew up worrying
about, and so I would saythere's got to be a space in
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between.
And that, I would say, is kindof the essence of Soma Rising,
which is my membership, is forthe people who are on that
journey of releasing the, thelike prison state of narcissism
and codependency and don'treally understand how to live in
Secureville yet, and they're,they're navigating the waters.
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And it's funny because I don'treally talk about my intuition
training or my membership a lot,but that was why I created.
It was because I wanted to givepeople a space for the in
between, like, okay, like youdon't yet know how to live in
Secureville, but you don't wantto go back over there.
So this is the place where youcan heal and recover.
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And this is also a place whereyou can learn how to live in
alignment with your higher self,how to awaken your own
intuitive genius and gifts in avery safe, very like respectful
way, and also to exploreyourself, your identity, who you
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are and who you're becoming, ina way that feels very
supportive and loving, like tome.
If you can't hear how manytimes I've said supportive,
that's because that feelingsupported on the journey is
probably the most importantthing that you'll need, and to
have people validate that you'renot crazy, like this is part of
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the process of coming out ofthe prison state and you know,
if you are in it like a familydynamic where there's a lot of
narcissism and codependency andyou're trying to get out of it,
it can be very difficult becauseyou don't realize how much of
your life is constructed aroundthose rules of belonging.
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I would say, if you'reresonating with this at all, I'm
going to do a free workshop onSunday, may 11th, at 10 am
Pacific time so this is 2025, ifyou're listening to this at a
later date on healing the motherwound, and I'm going to
introduce you to theSuperconscious Recode, which, if
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you've listened to my podcast,you can probably tell that
there's a couple of recodes inhere, so you might have already
experienced it.
But we're also going to do thefive-step process.
I'm going to walk you throughthe five-step process to start
creating really healthyrelationships in your life, and
just really quickly.
What that looks like is first,you have to define what you want
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to experience.
So we're going to paint the newhouse right, like we're going
to create the vision of the newhouse, and that is going to look
like you know there's fourbasic rooms.
That, or five basic rooms thatI work with with all my clients.
It's a first.
You want healthy, lovingrelationships.
You want a life that you love.
You want to live your truenature and purpose, health and
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vitality, and to be an empoweredcreator, meaning that you're
the one who is creating yourreality, not reacting to other
people's storylines.
You know we don't want to.
We want to be the person who'sin charge of our lives and then
so we create like kind of a newstructure for you, a new
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blueprint for your life.
And lately I've been workingwith Divine Feminine, which has
been so much fun.
I like once I startedconnecting with the divine
feminine and teaching it throughthat lens of healing, through
journeying and recode andhypnotherapy, and just basically
taking everything that Ilearned over the last, you know,
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20 years in the wellnessindustry and putting it into a
shortened version to help peopleheal as fast as possible.
I've just been having fun withit, like I've been enjoying
creating these really coolmeditation journeys to help you
connect in with differentdeities and guides, and it's
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just more of a magical way ofhealing and I believe that we
heal faster in community.
We heal through storytelling,we heal through creating a life
that is so compelling to us thatnothing will derail us from
moving into it, and that isreally the essence of what I do.
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So step one we're going tocreate that.
Step two we do need to take anhonest look at where we're at
now.
Step two we do need to take anhonest look at where we're at
now.
Now, the reason we do step onefirst, creating the vision, is
because there might be a lot ofstuff wrong in your current
reality.
We only want the stuff that'sblocking you from that vision.
We don't need it all, we justneed that piece of it.
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Otherwise it can be way toooverwhelming.
It's like walking into a housethat's had a hoarder inhabiting
it for the last 45 years andgoing oh my God, where do we
even start?
So that's why we need thevision first.
We're going to come, look at thecurrent reality and go okay,
what are, what is your life likenow?
In comparison to that?
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You want to understand thetension between the two.
So how many boxes are in yourbasement, basically?
And once you kind of understandthe two tension points, then
we're going to move into theprocesses.
So that's where super consciousrecode, hypnotherapy, you know,
looking at habit changes.
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Things like that are going tocome in and help us remove the
baggage that doesn't allow us tohave a thing that we want.
And then step four is we'rereally going to be aligning with
our higher self and our souland listening to our intuitive
guidance, because your soulalready knows how to get you
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there.
Your higher self, your superconscious, knows how to get you
there.
Now, super conscious and soulare not the same thing, but I'll
talk about that more in adifferent episode.
There's already an instructionmanual, except your ego doesn't
understand it because itprobably has like unconditional
love, surrender oh my Godvulnerability.
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All of the things that youdon't understand yet are in the
new instruction manual, and sothere needs to be some patience
for yourself as you learn how toread this new foreign language.
But the language of intuition isreally in the lack of control.
It is in the space between,where you do not have any kind
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of buy-in on the way it needs tobe done.
So most of us go out to dosomething and we think it needs
to be done this way.
So most of us go out to dosomething and we think it needs
to be done this way.
Intuition will come and say no,actually, if this is the thing
that you want, this is the wayto do it, and most of the time
it doesn't make any logicalsense, which probably means it's
the right solution.
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So, and then the fifth step isyou know you're taking that
inspired action, you'rereassessing Is this working, is
this not working?
If it's not, we go back and wefigure out okay, what's in the
way of it.
So why does this matter for themother wound?
Because that wound is like avirus in your unconscious
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programming.
It is the mold in the walls, itis the cracked foundation for
how you perceive yourself, theworld and others.
It is what built most of yourbeliefs, your biology, your just
entire structure of reality.
Because that was the firstperson who had a physical
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influence on you, because yougrew in their stomach, in their
womb.
And one of the processes we usewith superconscious work is we
go and we heal the wound, theinner wound where you picked it
up in your biology, in yourphysiology.
Because that I mean, I rememberthere was a strange month where
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I remember we just did a lot ofwork and I was like man, how
much junk did I pick up in thatwoman's wound, um, and it was a
lot.
It was a lot.
We have a long history of, uh,wounded women in my family.
So, um, I'm hopefully breakingthat cycle for my kids, my kids
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and doing the best I can to helpother people break the cycle
and their own families.
And I just want to say thatthere's nothing to be ashamed of
here.
Like, it's just what it is.
We can let go of thecontroversy and the shame and
the blame and the charged energyaround it.
Let's just get to healingalready.
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Like, let's just it's time tomove on and and that is, we just
need to create healthyrelationships.
And it might take a little timefor you to understand what that
looks like for you.
That's okay.
Like it's okay Because,depending on how deep your wound
is or how much of your life isnot going the way that you would
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like it to go, it is going tohelp you restructure.
That.
It doesn't take 30 years intherapy.
It doesn't take all of theselike outrageous ayahuasca
journeys.
It doesn't take that.
It takes an open heart and yourwillingness to move forward and
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let it go.
And I would like to say thatthat was easy, but that was part
of the probably the hardestpart was just letting it go and
deciding that it was time tomove into a new era where I'm
allowed to have safe, healthy,loving relationships, to be seen
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, to be heard, to think that mylife matters and that the gifts
that I have to share with peoplematter, and that it's time to
stop hiding and be present inthe world in a way that helps
other people on their journey.
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So, wherever you're at in yourjourney, I hope you come to the
healing on Sunday and if you'relistening to this and you don't
need it, congratulations.
I'm really happy for you.
But if you are listening tothis and you do need it, come
along.
I also have a free Aphroditemeditation.
I'm going to put the link inthe show notes.
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In the show notes.
It is such a fun meditation thatI co-created with the goddess
Aphrodite to help you heal yourlove wound, and I listened to it
every day last month and I willsay it brought a lot of my
baggage up.
But I also left a lot of thatwound in April, which feels
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really good to say out loud andactually mean it.
So if that sounds likesomething you're interested in,
I'm going to put the link downbelow, enjoy it.
It is a fun co-creativeexperience with Aphrodite and I
look forward to hearing from youand if you have any insights
about your own journey onrecovering love and your
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definitions of love.
So thank you so much for takingthe time to listen today and I
just want you to know that Iappreciate you and I appreciate
the support that I get aroundthis podcast, because most of
the time I I feel like I don'twant to do it and my higher self
is always like, please do it.
And I'm always like, but no, Idon't want to.
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Nobody hears what I have to sayand then somebody randomly will
call me or text me and be likeI was listening to your podcast
and I was like, oh, you're theperson.
Oh, that's nice.
When I don't worry about likeit being a sales tool or
strategy or things like that, mypodcast feels fun and flowy and
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that's what I've decided.
I'm going to keep it as is justa way to inspire people to make
changes and heal their lives sothat they can live in a fully
empowered state, and that is mymission is to help people heal
and live an empowered life.
So have a wonderful day and, ifyou are a mother.
Happy Mother's Day.
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It is a hard job and somebody'sgot to do it, and wherever
you're at with it, you're doinga good job.
Have a good day.