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July 14, 2021 48 mins

Our main segment this week is all about the world of exotic dancing - Holly explains strip clubs to Jenna, sharing tips of the trade and insider secrets. Our misconception of the week is that employment negates consent, we discuss the cruelty that can arise when strangers on the internet don’t think about the human being who will read their words in Shit People Say, and we have a little chat about gangbangs! 


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1:18 - The world of exotic dancing 

37:32 - Misconception: employment negates consent 

39:50 - Shit People Say: ripped bowls

45:15 - Question of the week: what’s the most partners you’ve had in a gangbang?


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Jenna Love (00:00):
Welcome to Somebody You Love, or the sale of two
titties. I'm Jenna Love.

Holly Harte (00:07):
And I'm Holly Harte.

Jenna Love (00:09):
And we're experts in disappointing our parents
breaching community guidelines,and banging the people who vote
against our rights.

Holly Harte (00:18):
Today, we'd like to start by acknowledging the
traditional owners of the landon which we're recording. Today,
I'm on the land of the Ngunnawalpeople,

Jenna Love (00:25):
and I'm on the land of the Darug and Gundungurra
peoples.

Holly Harte (00:28):
We'd like to pay our respects to any elders and
acknowledge that sovereignty wasnever ceded.

Jenna Love (00:33):
We want to make a point to say that the sex
working community is incrediblydiverse, which is one of the
coolest things about it. Andthere's a huge amount of
intersectionality within it. Sowe can only speak from our own
experience. Of course, we can'tspeak on behalf of sex workers.
But we are in the process now ofchatting to some potential

(00:55):
guests. And once we've gotthings up and sorted, we will be
bringing some other perspectivesonto the show, which we are
really excited about.
As you may have worked out,there will be some adult themes
that we discuss. So if you'renot an adult, this might not be
the podcast for you.

(01:18):
Today, we have a bit of aHolly-sode, and we are going to
talk about stripping or Ibelieve the preferred term is
exotic dancing. So it's astripper-sode. A Holly-sode
stripper-sode. And the reasonit's a Holly-sode is because I
know literally nothing,absolutely nothing about
stripping. So I'm gonna hand itover to Holly.

Holly Harte (01:39):
Thank you, the pressure is on. Okay, so I
guess, you know, I've got a fewspecific topics I'd like to talk
about today, or that I think youguys might all find interesting.
I also wanted to preface it bysaying I, these are only my
experiences, there are so manyclubs, you know, worldwide and

(02:00):
so many different sorts of clubsin Australia, people, different
people that dance at them, whoall have different experiences.
And this is only my small,narrow experience. You know, I
think it's been, ooh eightyears, seven or eight years
since I danced, so things mighthave changed a lot since then,
as well. You know, I did dostrip club management and things

(02:21):
like that as well. But it's beena while since I've been in the
club. So this is all just mylittle experience. And I don't
speak for strippers in general,just reiterating that

Jenna Love (02:30):
Of course.

Holly Harte (02:31):
Because I don't want people who are listening
who have been strippers, or whoare strippers going 'What?
That's not true'.

Jenna Love (02:36):
So how did you get into stripping?

Holly Harte (02:39):
That is a very good question. It's a hard one to
answer because it was a longjourney. So basically, I'd
always been interested in thesex industry. As I've discussed
before, I had done a little bitof brothel work. At the time, I
actually was working in abrothel and a new strip club
opened in Canberra, and myfriend started dancing there a

(02:59):
few people I knew in Canberrastarted dancing there. And they
had this really active socialmedia like really active
Facebook where they post allthese girls, glamorous women
partying, looking really sexy,this mysterious, you know,
nighttime world that just sortof intrigued me massively. So I
was really fascinated by that. Iwas already a topless waitress
or you know, in, you know, thatsort of realm?

Jenna Love (03:21):
Yeah, like the promotional sort of stuff?

Holly Harte (03:23):
Exactly well I'd done promo stuff, I had, you
know, it's this sort of paththat I did, which was, you know,
I became a promo model, and didyou know, Bundy rum and all
those sorts of brands, you know,giving out, you know, stubby
holders and things like that inregional New South Wales. So I
used to travel and do that. Andthen someone mentioned, you
know, bikini or, you know,lingerie waitressing, which I

(03:45):
then moved into that, which waslike, oh, what was that like,
you know, $100 an hour orsomething, which was ooh a lot
of money.

Jenna Love (03:52):
Wow. Yeah.

Holly Harte (03:53):
I think it was $60 an hour for bikini and 100 for
topless. So, yeah, I remember myfirst shift doing that was
terrifying. So I did a range ofthose sorts of topless
waitressing jobs and lingeriewaitressing. And it was really
really nerve racking. Like Iremember my first topless
waitressing gig was at the TullyPark Tavern in Goulburn. And I

(04:13):
remember walking into thebathroom and putting on this
little outfit and going in, and,you know, taking my bra off, and
I stood in front of the mirrorand I was like, 'What the fuck
are you doing?' Like, 'How areyou about to walk out into this
pub full of men', and a lot fromthe police academy because it's
in Goulburn. And I was like,like, 'what are you-' and I just
pushed myself, opened the doorand walked out and everyone in

(04:34):
the pub turns around and looksat you with your titties out and
I was like, 'Well, I'm doingthis'. And it was so much fun.
They were so nice. And you know,it's a big culture of tipping in
that so you know, you make quitegood money. And I was just
chuffed. You know, I had such afun time.

Jenna Love (04:48):
Wow good on you.
That does require huge bravery,I think.

Holly Harte (04:51):
It is massive, yeah. And I did various other
jobs. You know, one of them, Idid on a train. So we actually
drove out to, I drove out toGoulburn. And there was about
five or six of us waitresses.
And it was an old train company.
And they took us, I don't know,somewhere out into New South
Wales, I don't even know now upto this beautiful restaurant.
And it was just this really fungig. But I was sitting at the

(05:15):
table with a whole lot of thesegirls who I felt like they were
maybe dancers. And I was quitelike, I don't wanna say sweet
and innocent. But once again,I'm that sort of naive sort of
wide eyed girl. And I thoughtthese girls were all so like,
edgy and bad and hot. And like,you know, I was really
intimidated by them, especiallythis girl with this beautiful,

(05:35):
like, she had this bright redhair, like dyed, you know,
bright red hair, and she justhad the longest legs you've ever
seen. And we were sitting at thetable, and I said, aw, they all
mentioned there was strippers,and I was like, 'Oh, that's so
cool. Like, that's reallyawesome'. And turned out, they
had met my partner at the time,who was cheating on me hanging

(05:55):
around the strip club, butthat's maybe an irrelevant
story. Um, I, drove back toCanberra that night. And it was
just on my mind. I just was inlove with that strip club. So a
combination of having met thesegirls at a topless waitressing
job. And having seen the socialmedia, it just was brewing in my
-Gasps-mind. So I went for lunch with
one of my friends who wasdancing at the club. And she

(06:16):
sort of told me all about it.
that relationship didn't workout anyway and I was really
She was like, just do it. So Idid. Yeah, that's sort of the
story. So I contacted the ownerand asked to start and she
basically put me on and that wasthe beginning of what was one of
the most fun experiences of mylife. Like I absolutely loved
being a stripper. It was areally cool time. The only

(06:36):
reason I stopped is because Imet a man who didn't want me to
do it anymore. And so I stoppeddancing. And yeah, that
disappointed that I had giventhat up, but I had moved on to
other things by then. So yeah,

Jenna Love (06:50):
I should probably explain that that sound was my
uterus imploding on itself indisgust.

Holly Harte (06:57):
He was a security guard and he didn't like seeing
- it made him angry to see medance. So which is funny,
because he, you know, apparentlyfell in love with me dancing,
which is a whole thing.

Jenna Love (07:07):
Yeah, course he did.
I hate him.

Holly Harte (07:11):
So yeah, just, you know, what about ah- what's your
understanding of strip clubsJenna? What have you seen? Have
you been to one? What's yourvibe?

Jenna Love (07:20):
Alright, my, as I said, I have no experience, and
I'm so gonna get cancelled forthis, but they just sound so
awful to me. Like, I can'timagine many environments that
would be less pleasant for me.
So no, I haven't ever been to astrip club. Literally, my
experience was stripping is Iwatched an amateur community
production of The Full Monty,that was awful. And when I was

(07:43):
16, or 17, a stripper came intomy work and did a show in the
back room. And that is a wholeother bizarre story.

Holly Harte (07:54):
Oh, wow.

Jenna Love (07:55):
Yep. Very strange.
So yeah, very little experience.
I think the thing is, for me,like, and look, I'm really keen
to be educated on this episode.
And it's entirely possible thatI'm completely wrong about all
of this, but my perception of astrip club is that it would be
loud, that there'll be loudmusic. And that's something I'm
not very comfortable with. Iimagine that there's usually
alcohol being served. Basically,all of the things that I

(08:18):
couldn't handle about going to anightclub, it sounds like like
the part with people takingtheir clothes off is fine. It's
all the rest of it, the factthat it's at nighttime, which is
when I sleep, the fact that itwould be probably dark and loud,
and that they're, you know, Ihave some issues with alcohol,
which I've touched on buthaven't gone into any details.
But being around people who aredrunk or who are kind of visibly

(08:40):
under the influence is quitedifficult for me. So it just-the
whole environment just sounds soawful. And I yeah, I mean, I can
I can understand from theperformance perspective, having
been a performer and a dancermyself and also a sex worker. I
totally I think I could quiteenjoy the the performance, but I
don't understand why anyonewould want to be in the audience

(09:03):
but obviously a lot of peopledo. And it's just not for me. I
think. Maybe. I could be wrong,maybe I'll go and love it.

Holly Harte (09:11):
Yeah, maybe one day I'll take you on an adventure.

Jenna Love (09:13):
Yeah, it's not gonna happen I don't know why I said
that. I don't want to. Not atnighttime, if you can take me
like in the day, when they turnthe music off

Holly Harte (09:22):
Daytime strip club hmm okay, doesn't happen. It
doesn't happen much in CanberraI'm afraid.
So strip clubs. Look, this isjust the basics on how they
work. So this you know, ifyou've been a stripper, you know
this, you know this and, butthere's a lot of people who
might not know. So basically, towork in a strip club, you have
to pay to work each night so youactually don't get paid by the

(09:43):
house you have to pay, inCanberra, usually in my time, it
was about $100 a night that youwould pay to work. There were
also fines that were applicable.
So basically, if you, you know,I don't know wanted to leave the
shift early or if you turned uplate or if you were too
intoxicated or I don't know, arange of things, you could be
fined by the house, they yeah,so usually, that didn't happen

(10:04):
often though, you know, usually,in my experience, it was all
about the house fees, which iswhat you know, the fees you pay
to work. Basically, in where Iwas working, all the tips that
you earn on stage were yours. Soyou can keep whatever they throw
up there on that stage, you keepit, and it differs with some
strip clubs. But generally, ifyou take them out the back for a

(10:25):
lap dance, the house takes apercentage of that. So
basically, you know, for someonewho's never been, the way strip
club works is you walk in, andthere's a stage, and there's
usually, you know, two dancerson the stage. And you can put
your tips up there. So they'reup there for 15 minute cycles,
and you tip them and they cancome over and shake their boobs
in your face. And that's sortof, you know, a very light tease
of what a lap dance is. If you,you know, then wish to take them

(10:49):
for a lap dance, you sort ofapproach them when they're not
on stage. And they will take youinto like a back room, where
they will get fully nude and dolike a little show for you for
about three songs. So that's,you know, about 12ish minutes.
And that can range from, youknow, 70 to $100. In my time, we
got to keep all of that money.
That was we would keep every lapdance fee. But since then, I

(11:12):
believe the culture in Canberrahas changed. And I believe that
the house takes a percentage ofthat. Some places do it by
selling 'tipping dollars' orselling 'lap dance dollars'. So
then they can like cash it outat the end of the night and take
their cut from that. Butsometimes they just, yeah, they
have someone at the door thattakes the cash and, and times
the dances and all that sort ofstuff. So that's sort of how it

(11:33):
works. So look, there's a lot ofpotential to make a lot of
money, but there were definitelya lot of nights where I made no
money. I'm not a naturalhustler.

Jenna Love (11:41):
Or even lost money, potentially?

Holly Harte (11:42):
Oh, yeah, absolutely. There were nights
where I made no money. And Iwent to the owner, and said, you
know, 'It's a quiet night, can Ihave my house fee back?' And
they said, like,' how dare youask', basically. Look, I was
bold. But it was not. Yeah, youjust that's the risk you take.
So yeah, there's a lot ofpressure, I think when you're a
dancer, in that regard. Andalso, obviously, you're on

(12:05):
ridiculous heels for you know,can be 12 hour nights. Plus,
you're dancing every two hoursor three hours or less than,
you're up doing 15 minutes setsof quite heavy physical exertion
on a pole. So it's quite intensework. I think people sometimes
you know say 'I'll quit schooland become a stripper'. Eh. I

(12:25):
mean, it's it's a lot of work.

Jenna Love (12:28):
Yeah, gosh. Okay, so I have some thoughts. One is,
from the outside perspective,like, thinking about labour
rights, it just seems like kindof not okay, but I, like I fully
acknowledge that I have noexperience in that. And I don't

(12:49):
know what you know, I don't havethe experience. But on the
outside, that just sounds reallynot like great labour practices,
in my opinion. You know, it iswhat it is.

Holly Harte (12:59):
Look, in- I know something that a lot of
strippers talk about often is,is workers comp, because it's
actually quite dangerous work.
And a lot of workers will getin- sorry, dancers will get
injured, I still have a shoulderinjury from pole dancing. I
don't know if that will ever goaway. I have, you know, friends
who fell from a height who hitthe floor quite painfully. And
as you know, you can look upincidents in the US where where

(13:21):
people have been really injuredas well, and have been pushing
for it to be covered underworkers comp, because
technically, do you fall underan employee status? Look,
there's been a lot of pushes bydifferent groups to try and get
them re-, you know, strippersrecognised as employees so that
they can be covered by thesethings because it can be very
dangerous. Is it unethical? Ithink I mean, yes. But also,

(13:41):
it's an industry, which a lot ofpeople enjoy, and a lot of
people love. And these arefacilities that provide that
opportunity to work. Like in myinstance, I really wanted to do
it, without the strip club, Iwouldn't have been able to do
it. So I took that on. Forpeople who who take on those
risks, who don't have a choice,that is more exploitative. But

(14:02):
there are people who take onthose choices, knowing that
that's the risks that they youknow, endure. So it's...

Jenna Love (14:10):
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's why I say that, youknow, my lack of experience is
really relevant with that view.
Because if that, if that is theway that you can do that job,
and that's what you want to do,then go nuts. And do it.

Holly Harte (14:22):
Yeah. Look, I mean, I think it's a thing that, you
know, we discuss often, youknow, under capitalism, you
know, that there is justexploitation of people, and
that's just the way it is, youknow, people have to make a
living, they have to get a joband people, you know, who
employ, you know, have thatopportunity to to exploit and
they maybe don't see it asexploitation. You know, they
think that they're, you know,they're making a business.
They're running a business. So,yeah, it is a complicated thing.

Jenna Love (14:44):
It is, interesting.

Holly Harte (14:45):
Yeah, definitely.

Jenna Love (14:45):
So my other thought is, so you're on so you're on
stage for 15 minutes, you'redoing your set. And then you may
be wandering around and thensomebody asks you for a lap
dance, which presumably, whichpresumably is a lot more
intimate. Don't you smell?

Holly Harte (15:01):
Oh my god, probably? I, as you know, don't
have a sense of smell so, don'tknow, don't care.

Jenna Love (15:09):
I just felt like after performing You'd be really
sweaty and smelly.

Holly Harte (15:13):
I would be sometimes like I often have
like, like bangs like a fringe.
And my hair would be slickeddown to my face with sweat,
like, I would be drenched withsweat. So after the, after my
stage set, and most dancers, wewould pop out the back and you
quickly freshen up, like for afew seconds, but usually
there'll be a couple of like, ifit's a busy night, there'll be a
couple of guys who have alreadymade eye contact with you, while
you're on stage who are like,giving you the finger like point

(15:36):
point, like, let's go, let's go.
So you know, there's cash outthere, and you want to get as
many lap dances in that timebefore you have to get back on
stage. Because you tend to makemore out of that than you do on
stage sets, you know,itobviously depends for different
people so you want to get thatcash. So yeah, I'd run out the
back and I'd have like a reallyquick ritual, like a really
specific ritual I'd do where I'dlike, get a wet wipe, wipe my

(15:56):
face down. You know, put somefresh deodorant on get a blow
dryer and fluff out my fringe.
And, and then run back out.

Jenna Love (16:03):
But the vagisil wipes like, I would, It would
all be about vagisil wipes forme. Like, my pussy would stink.
And then if I'm about to shovethat in a guy's face,
terrifying.

Holly Harte (16:15):
I guess, like, that sounds really bad it just never
occurred to me.

Jenna Love (16:19):
Wow! See that? See as a full service sex worker.
You know, immediately before abooking, I'm like, does my pussy
stink like that's the f- youknow? Which is? Do you know
what, like, pussies do smell?
Yeah, we all smell and there'snothing wrong with that. Yeah,
but I would, but I always checkthat it's not smelling, you
know, as a result of it nothaving been cleaned for a while

(16:40):
or excess sweating or somethinglike that.

Holly Harte (16:44):
Yeah, obviously, when you do full service, you
can have showers before but whenyou're in a strip club, there
are showers and you know,obviously a lot of strippers
shower, you know, before theystart work. I mean, they they
all do. But you know, if you dolike a particularly like some
people would do feature shows.
So at like midnight, there wouldbe like a special performer who
would do like magic tricks orfire shows or, you know, with
jelly and yeah, it's a wholeit's a beaut- it's an art like,

(17:05):
amazing women.

Jenna Love (17:09):
Yeah, so that's sort of moving more into the world of
burlesque even is it

Holly Harte (17:12):
Yes, yeah,

Jenna Love (17:13):
That seems like a bit of crossover there.

Holly Harte (17:14):
Definitely. So they would, you know, have to go and
have a shower after that,because they'd be covered in all
sorts of things. But yeah, butno, after after doing a stage
set? No, sometimes I'd grab awet wipe and give myself a
quick, you know, freshen up downthere. But, you know, I just ah,
no.

Jenna Love (17:29):
Well, I hope our listeners are fascinated,
because I am fascinated. So youhad done full service work
before stripping? and how wasthat received? You know, was
there an issue with that? What'sthe deal?

Holly Harte (17:43):
Yeah, look, something that people might not
realise that in the strippingcommunity full service work is,
is not well received. So I toldmy friend, you know, who
introduced me to the club that Iwas a full service worker at the
time. And she said, 'Do not tellanyone. Do not tell anyone in
the club that because that willnot work in your favour'. And I

(18:04):
was sort of like, 'What? What doyou mean? It's like. almost the
same thing, isn't it?' You know,she was just like, don't. I'm
glad she told me because then Iwent into the club, and it's a
constant thing, like, you know,'Oh at least we're not fucking
them'. And, you know, that sortof thing is, is very regular,
'At least when or hookers' andyou know, all that sort of
stuff. And there's a lot ofwhorephobia.

Jenna Love (18:24):
That's really upsetting to hear it actually,
especially because I think thatwe all work so hard to support
each other under the umbrella.
And, and I feel like I you know,I go to a lot of lengths to
advocate for dancers. And it'supsetting to hear that that may
not be reflected back. Yeah, butit is what it is. And it's also
possible that maybe in the lastdecade, that's changed somewhat.

Holly Harte (18:47):
That's what I think. I am hopeful that that in
the past couple of years, it'schanged a lot as it has with
general society. But yeah, butdefinitely, in my day, it was it
was very poorly looked upon. Andit was really sad.

Jenna Love (19:01):
Well, I'm going to use that to leap into, I think
the big question a lot of usoutsiders have, which is, does
full service occur at stripclubs? Or not even necessarily
full service, but blowjobs, handjobs? Are there extras
available?

Holly Harte (19:15):
In my experience?
Almost never. Never, never,never, never. So, I believe,
look, I've heard that in somecities, that sort of thing
occurs and that, you know, orthat they have, like a linked
brothel that they sort of funnelpeople into and things that,
I've heard stories. So I'm notsaying it never happens. But in
Canberra, it was not the cultureat all. No, you absolutely could

(19:36):
not do that sort of thing. Itwas very poorly received. There
were rules. There were strictcontracts that you'd sign that
you would not solicit that youwould not and you would be fired
if you were caught doing thatsort of thing. And in general,
you know, I think a lot of theworkers or the dancers, sorry,
thought they were sort of abovethat sort of thing anyway, and
they were making-

Jenna Love (19:55):
Interesting, I guess. I mean, it would be
against the businesses.
licencing so it would put thebusiness at risk. And I can see
that they would be, you know,really concerned about that

Holly Harte (20:04):
It is absolutely, it's very hard in the ACT to get
a liquor licence, to open astrip club. So yeah, they don't
want to put that at risk, andthe police are looking, you
know, liquor licencing arelooking for an opportunity to
slam them. So, yeah.

Jenna Love (20:17):
And we know the police love sex workers.

Holly Harte (20:19):
Exactly. I mean, they were in there every night.
Yeah.

Jenna Love (20:22):
Of course they were.

Holly Harte (20:23):
Okay, now I'm gonna let you in on a few secrets of
the strip club industry. Theymay or may not be secrets. But
this is some things that Ithought were sort of
interesting,

Jenna Love (20:32):
Juicy

Holly Harte (20:33):
Juicy!. So the change room environment is like
a different world. Thecamaraderie in there is magical.
I think a lot of people talkabout brothels, girls rooms
having camaraderie. It's nothingon a strip club, the partnership
and the support the strippersall show each other is massive.
People, you know, there's alwaysgoing to be people who don't get
along and little dramas andstuff. But for the most part, it

(20:55):
was such a sisterhood, everyonebecame really close friends.
There were bedrooms down theback. So at the strip club, one
of the strip clubs that I workedout, they had bedrooms for the
interstate strippers to sleep inor dancers, to sleep in
overnight. And one night, Iwasn't feeling very well and
went lay down on one of thosebeds that I looked up at the
slats above me and months ofdancers that had come to dance

(21:17):
there had carved in affirmationsand kind words and things to
make you feel good while you'rereading them and beautiful
supportive words.

Jenna Love (21:24):
Oh that's so sweet.

Holly Harte (21:25):
And that was just the culture, like a lot of
strippers tend to be reallyhippies, like more than, you
know, what you sort of think ofas sex workers, but really free
spirits and really cool people.
So there was a massive amount ofsupport, they spent a lot of
time together outside ofdancing. And, you know, there
would be nights where wewouldn't even go out into the

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club because we'd all be sittingout the back watching TV and
laughing and people will belike, there's guys in the club.
And we'd be like, 'no, we'reenjoying this!'. Photos of us
all cuddled up together watchingTV instead of going to earn a
living. So it's, that'ssomething I think people think
that strip clubs might be reallybitchy, but in my experience,
they're super supportive. And,you know, I think people think
that as well with full serviceis that it would be quite

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bitchy, but generally, there'sso much support.

Jenna Love (22:11):
Yeah, look, that doesn't surprise me in the
slightest. Because, you know, Iimagine that strippers face
different but similar levels ofstigma and discrimination that
we face. And you know,throughout history, marginalised
communities have always cometogether to support one another
and to build each other up. So Imean, that that doesn't surprise

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me. And it's really lovely tohear.

Holly Harte (22:33):
I was a face out stripper, so I had my face in a
lot of their advertising andstuff. And I would say that the
hate that I faced as a stripperwas was probably more than I
face now. As a full serviceworker. Which is a very strange
thing, I don't know why

Jenna Love (22:47):
Wow. Wow, that's fascinating. Is it? Do you think
that it's partly becausestrippers are more seen by the
general public? Like, a lot ofpeople just don't know that full
service sex worker exists? A lotof people in Australia, for
instance, don't even know it'slegal. They don't, you know, as
we talked about last week,saying that it's legal isn't
entirely accurate, but you knowwhat I mean? So, but but

(23:10):
stripping is a lot moreaccessible for a lot of
civilians.

Holly Harte (23:12):
Yes, yes. I think.
I think people don't know whentheir husbands have gone to see
a sex worker, but they hear whentheir husbands have been with
the boys to the strip club. Andthat's a lot more threatening.
So I think that can incite a lotmore anger.

Jenna Love (23:24):
You're sort of the front line. Of the whores.

Holly Harte (23:26):
Yeah, yeah a little bit! So obviously, you know,
there's this whole thing withinthe strip club culture of the
fake tan. You can't not have afake tan. Everyone's out there
fake tanning each other's backs.
That Airbrush Legs. I don't knowif you ever used it in your days
in like high school but

Jenna Love (23:41):
Sally Hansen?

Holly Harte (23:42):
Sally Hansen. It's yeah, like a

Jenna Love (23:43):
Yes, I used it in high school!

Holly Harte (23:45):
You've got like dozens of cans in your locker of
airbrush legs, every night andyou're spraying it on you as
well as the fake tan. It's, youknow, wet wipes are another
commodity where everyone islike, 'Have you got a wet
wipe?', you know,

Jenna Love (23:56):
Like as a redhead, I feel offended. But, anyway

Holly Harte (23:59):
Oh, no. Well, I'm very, very, you know, very fair
and

Jenna Love (24:02):
You're paler than I am.

Holly Harte (24:03):
Yeah, the first few weeks that I danced, I danced
without a spray tan. And peoplejust sort of mocked me for it
like playfully, but they werethey were like, 'Well, what are
you doing?' Like, and I waslike, 'This is my body and my
skin and I love it'. And theywere like, 'No, babe, no'.

Jenna Love (24:18):
That is so interesting given you said so
many of them are really hippieand really like, do your thing.
But then that's just what butagain, that's something that may
have changed recently, whichwould be kind of nice to an
extent but if not, whatever.

Holly Harte (24:31):
Maybe, look once I started getting the spray tan it
looked it did look good underthe lights. That was the big
thing is that because you're indarkness and there's show lights
and you know. So yeah, wet wipesare a massive thing. Everyone's
it's, you know, just as much asas full service workers. They
are everywhere because everyoneis, you know, giving themselves
a wipe because you're gonna haveyour genitals up close in
someone's face. But I don't knowwhether they do it after every

(24:51):
stage set, as discussed. Icertainly didn't. But
definitely, you know, yeah,there's this there's wet wipes
flying around everywhere. Sopretty chaotic. But yeah, good
times in the change roomenvironment. The other thing
which is really valuable in thestrip club community, which I
often had or I struggled to get,or it was like I was, like, you

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know, always obsessed with thisstuff is Dry Hands. So that is
liquid chalk, essentially. So itwas $20, a bottle, little tiny
bottle. And I'd drive out to thelocal pole studio to buy some
all the time, I don't know Ididn't, I was so broke at the
time, I didn't have any money inmy bank account to buy it
online. So I was always runningout to another suburb to go and
buy this dry hand stuff. Andthat's how you do these

(25:35):
beautiful pole tricks. It givesyou so much grip on the pole
like a gymnast, and it wasbeautiful. But everyone would
steal each other's Dry Hands,you'd leave it up, you'd be, you
know, distracted, you'd leave iton and someone else would take
it. And so you'd write yourname, or you put something on
it. And it was just, it wouldalways go missing or walking
off. But super valuable. So ifyou're ever in a strip club, and
you see people like sprayingsome stuff on their hands and

(25:57):
clapping their hands to gettogether before they get on
stage, it's essentially liquidchalk, which was a big deal.

Jenna Love (26:02):
Yeah, well, that.
That reminds me of tap dancing.
Used to be a dancer that didn'ttake my clothes off, although I
probably happily would've. Butbut but with with tap dancing in
particular, you know, you havemetal on your feet. So you don't
want to slip over. So you haveto apply resin to the bottom of

(26:23):
your shoes as well as to thestage or you have to come up
with this. I mean, there's lotsof little at home hacks people
have. I mean, as you said, samewith gymnasts and all of that.
Yeah, friction is important.
Just not when you're fucking...

Holly Harte (26:34):
Yeah. Just the opposite. Yeah.

Jenna Love (26:37):
Yeah, the opposite of lube. Exactly.

Holly Harte (26:39):
So you asked about whether people are you know,
doing sex work or, you know,full service work or, yeah,
sexual favours and stuff in thestrip club, which generally
they're not. But also as I said,written into the contract is
often you know, that you can'tsleep with the patrons and not
to do that.

Jenna Love (26:58):
As in outside of what as a as a non transactional
thing?

Holly Harte (27:02):
Yeah, yeah. It's strongly discouraged because I
guess it just looks, you know,it just looks crappy. If the
girls are strolling out on thearms of, you know, patrons, and
I guess they just don't thinkthat looks very good. But it
happens a lot. A lot. Yeah, Idefinitely slept with a few
patrons. Not in the club. Butyou know, outside of it and took

(27:25):
took numbers where I shouldn'twe were, you know, not allowed
to take number. So you'd have todo it really discreetly, and
dodgily. And, and lots of, youknow, strippers that I knew were
dating guys that they'd met inthe club, and the guys would
come back in and yeah, there wasa lot of that going on. And it
was really fun and naughty andexciting. So yeah, that happens
a lot. So I know that's probablygonna, like piss a lot of people

(27:47):
off. Because, you know, there'sthis whole thing of, you know,
strippers don't want to stealyour man. They're just there to
make their money, which theyare. Absolutely, they're there
to work. But it's like any jobyou still do sometimes meet
people that catch your eye and,

Jenna Love (28:00):
Of course, and if they're single, who gives a shit

Holly Harte (28:03):
Yeah absolutely, yeah, definitely.

Jenna Love (28:05):
We all come across people in our work. And you
might find yourself attracted tothem. And you the two of you
might be the great romance ofour time.

Holly Harte (28:13):
Yeah, I actually dated a guy while I was
stripping, who was just lovely.
And he, you know, you know, hewasn't the one but we had a
lovely time. And it was, youknow, a great experience. So,
and then I just, you know,banged some guys because they
were bangable, and that was funas well,

Jenna Love (28:27):
Because you wanted to bang them.

Holly Harte (28:28):
Because I was horny. Which leads into my next
story. When you're doing a lotof lap dances a lot of the guys
who your lap dancing on top ofsort of go,'Is this just like,
like a series of moves? Or areyou actually horny, like, does
this actually make you arousedas well?' And I think, you know,
like any job, you can go throughthe motions, but also, I think

(28:48):
it was really it is reallyerotic, it is really sexual and
sensual. To be naked in front ofsomebody. And to have them
admire you, like, it just feelsreally yeah, you know, we hate
that word, but empowering. Itfeels really invigorating for
somebody to just eat you withtheir eyes and not be allowed to
touch you there's no way thatyou can do that all the time and

(29:09):
not find you know that excitingon occasion it definitely, I
found it really erotic and a lotof fun. So yeah,

Jenna Love (29:15):
Absolutely, look that reminds me of doing,

Holly Harte (29:16):
Yes, it's yeah, I would get quite horny.
creating content. You know, Ifilm myself touching myself and

Jenna Love (29:21):
I feel like a really common thing that I see
dancing a bit on camera, it'sreally not my strength. But and
on the one hand, and dependingon the day, on the one hand,
sometimes it is just work andI'm just ticking the boxes and
going, I'm going to do this thisthis because that will make the
viewer feel aroused. But at thesame time, I do find it quite

(29:43):
stimulating. I guess I'm alittle bit of an exhibitionist,
the thought that somebody is athome jerking off to it really
turns me on I'm like, 'Yes, I'so hot'. Even though I don
t normally think that abot myself. But when I'm doing tha
, I'm just like, 'Mm yeah, oohcheck me out, damn!'. And
start feeling really like gooabout myself. And so i

(30:03):
's not unusual actually, for meo film a video and then jerk
off afterwards because I am,eah, I'm really heightened and
am aroused. So I totally get tht I can imagine myself getting
off on giving a lap dance forsure.

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civilians talk about, and theyapply this to full service
workers and pretty much everyonein the sex industry really, is,
is the concept of, of drinkingor and moreso drug use. Is that
something that you have thoughtson?

Holly Harte (30:38):
Yeah, look, in strip clubs. In the ACT, in my
day. Drug use was just not athing that happened. Obviously,
people, you know, maybeprivately were doing what they
were doing. But it just wasn'treally a big thing. I know that-

Jenna Love (30:54):
I feel like it's gonna be hard to be upside down
on a pole. If you're off yourface.

Holly Harte (30:58):
I don't know. I don't know.

Jenna Love (31:01):
It looks difficult to me.

Holly Harte (31:02):
I've done some things in my time that I think I
could have done better if I wason various drugs. But I think,
look, I think since I moved, youknow, further out of the
industry, the strip club scene,that is, that there, I've heard
stories of there being increaseddrug usage. Yeah. But definitely
drinking was a massive thing.
Like I was drunk a lot of thetime, which I don't think I see

(31:25):
as a damaging thing. I don'tthink it was a negative. I was
sort of in a party lifestyle.
And I was having a fun time. Idefinitely, you know,

Jenna Love (31:35):
That's exactly what I was gonna say. I feel like if
you weren't at work, you wouldhave been out drinking anyway.
Like it's not yeah.

Holly Harte (31:42):
Yeah, so that's what it felt like to me. It felt
like it you know, a few days aweek, I was out with the girls
partying and getting paid forit. So that was really cool.
And, but then there weredefinitely strippers who didn't
drink and you know, stripperswho, you know, I guess everyone
has their different things. Butdrinking definitely is a big
part of being a stripper, Ithink. I think people make a lot
of judgments.

Jenna Love (32:02):
Absolutely they do.
And I think the issue comes whenthere's the connection to the
work and the substance use,like, in my experience, there
are people in brothels who willbe under the influence of drugs
and or alcohol, because that'ssomething about them personally,
that they are somebody who doesdrink or does use drugs. I've
never had a drop of alcohol orany prohibitive drugs in my

(32:23):
life. So I don't do that at workeither. And that's exactly the
same as a lawyer, a lawyer whodoes drugs is a lawyer who does
drugs and a lawyer he doesn't dodrugs is a lawyer who doesn't do
drugs and has nothing to do withtheir job. It's just whether
that person does that or not. Sothis kind of ooh, like ah sort
of instantly connecting the jobwith the with the substance

(32:45):
really, sort of makes theseconnections and suggests that
the job is somehow responsiblefor the substance, which it
isn't. It's the individual.

Holly Harte (32:56):
I think you've summed that up really, really
well. That's pretty much exactlythe point I was stumbling trying
to make. Is that, yeah, people,some people will do that some
things at work, and some peoplewon't, and it's really
irrelevant to the job. You know,like I said, being in a strip
club and having alcoholavailable means that people will
do it. But plenty of peopledon't. And it I don't think it's

(33:16):
because of the job that anyoneyou know, makes those decisions.

Jenna Love (33:21):
No, actually something that I think Lana Jade
said in Are You Available, herpodcast, just the other day. She
said, you know, there's peoplesay, 'Oh, am I just funding your
drug habit? Are you just gonnaspend the money from stripping
or from sex work on drugs?' Andshe was like, 'Well, yes. That's
why people work, to spend theirmoney on the things they want to

(33:42):
spend it on. What do you mean?'You're funding anyone's drug
habit by giving them- like whatdo you mean? I mean, I spend
most of my sex work money onfucking Coke No Sugar, and I
don't see anyone you know,that's a problem. But that's my
choice. So I know you obviously,for obvious reasons don't have
the experience personally. Butwhat has been. what are your

(34:04):
thoughts on male strippers? Arethey perceived differently?
Yeah, what's the deal?

Holly Harte (34:10):
Yeah, that's an interesting topic. Look, male
strippers obviously, for a longtime have been really trendy.
It's been cool since you know,like Jamie Durie and you know,
the Chippendales and Manpowerand things like that have been
like, since the 80s it's, youknow, very cool to go and see a
male strip show, whereas femalestrippers are, you know,
stigmatised and dirty and youknow, it's

Jenna Love (34:32):
Hid in the dark, a bit more. Less mainstream, isn't
it?

Holly Harte (34:35):
Absolutely. Which is really, you know, not cool.
But something that I have heardand discussed with male
strippers myself, when I wouldgo and do like a show, you know,
bucks party or something likethat, even when I wasn't
surrounded by security. So Iused to not take security to
these shows because I was...
naive. The men would be quiterespectful of my boundaries. 99%

(34:55):
of the time, if I said 'Don'ttouch me or don't do that' they
wouldn't do it. And they were,you know, they would listen and
respect that. In the strip club,obviously, security is quite
overbearing, but still,generally people were just
respectful of, you know,strippers boundaries. You know,
there's always an exception tothe rule, but mostly, mostly
they were, you know, on boardwith with respect. Something,

(35:18):
though, that I've heard from alot of male strippers is that
when they go and do these shows,women don't respect those rules.
So the strippers will say, youknow, 'Please don't touch me' or
don't you know, and that thewomen get quite drunk and quite
grabby and actually, really pushthose boundaries um because they
think it's harmless, you know,they think oh, well, he likes

(35:39):
it, which is really, reallydisappointing.

Jenna Love (35:42):
Oh that's so upsetting to hear

Holly Harte (35:43):
It is upsetting, because I think we, you know,
hope that women have thatempathy for that sort of
situation. But and I'm notsaying that everyone does. I'm
sure there's a lot of respectfulwomen. But generally, they find
that, you know, there's a lot ofthings that happen and boundary
pushing that happens to malestrippers, particularly when
they go to do hens shows, hensnights, and things like that,
which is really sad.

Jenna Love (36:03):
Yeah, interesting.
So there's somewhat, potentiallyless stigma and discrimination
that they face, but potentially,you know, less actually respect
of their bodily autonomy. Andthat's really upsetting to hear
and actually reminds me, totallygoing off topic. And I'm not a
drag queen. So I can't speakfrom experience, but I know that
in the drag scene, there's a lotof negativity around hens nights

(36:27):
and things like that, thatthey'll go off to a drag show.
Because it's not unusual for thewomen from hen's nights who are
as you say, you know, have hadquite a lot to drink, and
they're all on a high, to touchthe drag queens, to say really
inappropriate things, to bereally sexual. And that, I mean,
it's just not okay, of course,that's not okay. And it's

(36:49):
really, I mean, far out. This isdefinitely another episode
topic. But, you know, I don'tunderstand why anyone struggles
with the concept of consent, butparticularly a woman. I mean,
that I don't hold them to ahigher standard than men. But I
do expect that they wouldunderstand what it's like, to,
to have your boundariesbreached. So it really surprises

(37:09):
me that they would becomfortable doing that. But then
I also want i think that societyhas, has raised a group of
people who think that men alwayswant sex and attention from
women.

Holly Harte (37:21):
Men have the right to say no, as well.

Jenna Love (37:24):
Absolutely. We do need to talk about that further,
for sure.
Our misconception for this weekis going to be a stripper
misconception, a stripceptionstripenception.

Holly Harte (37:39):
Thank you for that introduction, Jenna. I feel like
we're, just repeating what we'vejust discussed. But look, while
I was dancing, a colleaguebrought her partner in one night
and it was lovely to meet himand we were all having a drink
at the bar. And while we wereall facing the other way, he
reached across and he slapped meon the arse. And I stepped back

(37:59):
and I said 'What the fuck?',because you just do not touch a
stripper. Obviously, there aresome touching clubs that saying
else we didn't discuss, someclubs you can touch strippers
above the waist, during a lapdance, with their consent,
right? But generally, in a stripclub, you don't, you just do not
touch the dancers.

Jenna Love (38:14):
And given his partner works at that strip
club, he would be aware thatthat was not a touching strip
club.

Holly Harte (38:19):
Very aware. And the fact that he was there with his
partner, I thought was extremelydisrespectful to then grab my
ass knowing that they were in astrictly monogamous
relationship, anyway. So Iconfronted him immediately. And
he denied it. And she arguedwith me and it became a bit of a
thing. And then she said to me,'Well, if you don't want your

(38:40):
ass grabbed, then don't be astripper'. And that, to me was
really gross at the time. And Ididn't know how to argue with
it. So I just left. Left thesituation. So just you know,
reiterating basically that justbecause you're a stripper
doesn't mean that you consent tobeing touched. Just because
you're showing any amount ofskin is not consent. Just

(39:03):
because you do any sort of jobis not consent. The only
consent, that is consent isconsent.

Jenna Love (39:08):
If my husband slapped the ass of one of my
full service, sex workerfriends, I would be fucking
mortified. And he never would hewould never ever ever do that.
That is disgusting. Ugh,

Holly Harte (39:22):
Yeah, I can't understand why she wasn't
ashamed. I would be embarrassedmyself. Just because of the
disrespect. Just like that's myfriend. Like, but like, yeah,
what are you doing? She didn't,anyway.

Jenna Love (39:33):
And you know, my husband and I, we have an open
relationship. And I love himhaving sex with other people and
all of that, but if we were out,and he did that in front of me,
like, that's not cool. What areyou doing?
Hello, this is Jenna from thefuture. I just wanted to let you
know that there is a bit ofdiscussion of suicide in this

(39:56):
next segment, so if you'd liketo skip that, just head to 45:15
for our question of the week.
So for Shit People Say thisweek, we thought we would return
to the the good old BuzzFeedvideos that generated so much
beautiful conversation onFacebook that we referenced in
our first episode, because thereis just so much on there. And so

(40:19):
just before recording this, wewere supposed to record at 1:30.

And then at 1 (40:23):
45, I realised I had spent 15 minutes getting
angry and responding to morecomments on this because it is
just endless. But anyway,there's literally so much gold
in this that we could bring outfor you. But I just wanted to
pull out two in particular, thatreally struck me today. Somebody

(40:43):
has responded to somebody elsethey've said 'You say that it's
just sex, but it's a sweaty,heaving stranger ejaculating
inside you'. First of all, whosays they're sweating? Who says
they're heaving? And who thefuck says they're ejaculating
inside me? But that's a wholeother conversation. 'That poor
girl had her bowels ripped'.
Actually, what she wrote was'That poor girl had her bowls

(41:06):
ripped', but I'm assuming shemeant bowels because I don't
know. I don't think I havebowls. And like for reference,
in the video, I spoke about afisting incident that I had,
where I got a tear in my vaginabecause something went a little
bit wrong with the fisting. Itreally wasn't that big a deal.
It was unfortunate timing.
Obviously, I had to cancel somebookings because I had an open

(41:29):
wound in my vagina. But likevaginal tears are very, very
common, like, it's not that biga deal.

Holly Harte (41:37):
I've got them from just normal sex like,

Jenna Love (41:39):
Absolutely, yeah. I responded to her. And I was
like, 'bowels ripped? Settledown', like set, like, settle
down! Wow. Like, the people onthis thread are just so fucking
dramatic. They are so intense.
I'm like I said, I had a tear inmy vagina. And her brain heard
that my bowels were ripped.

(42:03):
Like, what the fuck? Settledown. That's just a little one.
But the other, that was just, Ithought, bizarre. But the other
one that I was like, this isincre- like, this is awful, is
Cheryl, who said 'I wonder wherethey are now. I wouldn't be
surprised if a couple of themdidn't kill themselves by now'.

(42:24):
And like, Jesus fucking ChristCheryl. What is actually wrong
with you that you think thatthat is an appropriate thing to
post? That is that is sodisgusting. I just, I can't
imagine ever saying somethinglike that about anyone. That's
awful.

Holly Harte (42:42):
I literally I don't have anything to say because it
makes me speechless. Like Ifeel, you can never stop me
talking about anything. I justchat. I can chat for hours. But
that is just so disgusting. Ifeel like a lot of us can have
emotions about things. And wecan react to things but like to
say that, like, you wouldn't besurprised if someone had killed

(43:05):
themselves is just revolting.
Like, how do you live with thatsort of statement,

Jenna Love (43:10):
Particularly after watching a video of three women
talking about how much they lovetheir lives. I mean, that's
pretty. That's kind of justweird to start with.

Holly Harte (43:18):
Yeah they seem really well adjusted and really
happy. And you know, I justthink wow, so I hope Cheryl's
okay, because it's projecting, Ithink, but um, that's, that's a
really sad thing to feel theneed to comment on someone's...

Jenna Love (43:35):
Yeah that's a fair point. Yeah, really upsetting.
And I think it just comes backto I mean, you know, I think you
and I've talked about beforethat there is the internet is
one of the problems with it, ofcourse, is that we're all
talking to strangers. We don't,you know, they're not human
beings in our minds. And I thinkthat, like, what's what I've
found about those comments is99% of them had no concept that

(43:56):
the people that they werespeaking about, and speaking
about incredibly, graphicallyand cruelly, would ever see
their comments, which isridiculous, because I don't know
why they would think that wewouldn't see the comments. But
there's this real sense of, itjust doesn't seem, I don't think
it seems real to them. Theywatch this video, and they don't
think it's real. They don'tthink about the fact that there
are human beings in the video.
And so if you add that conceptof it, just that massive

(44:20):
distance, you add on top ofthat, that people don't realise
that sex workers exist, and thatwe are real people. And we're
not just things in the movies.
They just, they just don't seeus as real. They just don't, the
amount of times, I think youpointed this out, that, you
know, they would say somethingreally cruel. And I would
comment and be like, 'Wow,that's, that's quite cruel'. And

(44:41):
they would be like, 'Oh, sorry.
I mean, I respect you, but blahblah blah' and so as soon as
you, and I mean, that's thewhole reason why we're here,
isn't it? That's why the podcastexists because we want to tell
people that we exist.

Holly Harte (44:54):
Yeah, we're humans,

Jenna Love (44:55):
That we're human beings,

Holly Harte (44:56):
Multifaceted,

Jenna Love (44:56):
That's literally it.
We're not trying to say that ourwork is empowering. We're not
trying to say it's inspiring.
We're not trying to suggest thatyour daughter should grow up and
do this. We're literally justsimply saying, We exist, we're
human beings. And don't talkabout us dying, fuck.

Holly Harte (45:17):
The question of the week this week is 'What's the
most partners you have had in agangbang?'

Jenna Love (45:22):
Well I tried to have 30 for my 30th birthday. I was
like, well, I'm only going toturn 30 once, so I need to have
a 30 people gang bang for my30th because, like, obviously,
that's what I need to do. Like,I'm not gonna wait till I'm 40.
So I have to do that now. Butthen, even though we had like,
over 30 people booked in toattend, which you have to do

(45:43):
with gangbangs, because peoplealways bail. Only 25 men showed
up. But I had four other sexworkers who were acting kind of
as fluffers and stuff. So it wasstill a 30 person gangbang but
it was 25 dudes, 25 penises.

Holly Harte (46:00):
That's so cool. I remember seeing you advertising
for that. And I was like, wow,that's iconic. That's so cool. I
have not had many gang bangs.
But generally, it's the mostpeople I've sort of been, you
know, in that situation with istwo other workers and myself and
a client. So four people intotal, so, not many for me. I'm

(46:20):
a little bit innocent on thegangbang side of things, but
always looking for moreexperiences.

Jenna Love (46:26):
Have you done any things with multiple men and
yourself?

Holly Harte (46:30):
Never. I have never been with more than one man at a
time. Never. I know. I'm an MMFvirgin. I know. I really need
two guys to spit roast me, youknow?

Jenna Love (46:42):
Yeah, you do, babe you do, it's so good.

Holly Harte (46:46):
One day, maybe for your 40th we'll have a 40 person
gangbang

Jenna Love (46:50):
Yeah maybe. Maybe for my 40th. You can do a 40
person gangbang and

Holly Harte (46:56):
You'll watch.

Jenna Love (46:57):
I'll watch.

Holly Harte (46:58):
I'm down.

Jenna Love (46:59):
Wow. Okay. You heard it here first folks. In, what is
it, eight years time, HollyHarte will be doing a 40 person
gangbang.

Holly Harte (47:13):
We'd like to thank our patrons this week. Our new
Generous Somebodies are OurSecret Admirer, Gricey and Stu,

Jenna Love (47:21):
Our Very Generous Somebodies are Lachlan, Timmy,
Steve, Our Footstool, SpacemanDan, Pete, Adelle, Alice Grey,
Big M, Scott C, Sammy Jane,Bart, Barliman, Randy Wagner,
Robbie Heart and Andrew,

Holly Harte (47:37):
And our Extremely Generous Somebodies are Aaron,
Samuel and Andrew. We'd like tothank you for joining us on this
extremely Holly-centric episodethis week. Hope you've enjoyed
it, learned something and had abit of a laugh, and we look
forward to seeing you next time.

Jenna Love (47:54):
Please look out for us on Twitter, Instagram,
Facebook, and Patreon. Our nameeverywhere is Somebody You Pod
as in podcast. Our Patreonstarts at just $3 a month and
you can get all of our episodesad free and a day early. Plus
bonus episodes, behind thescenes action, bloopers and
more. Thank you for taking thetime to listen to the voices of

(48:16):
sex workers. And remember,Somebody You Love might just be
a sex worker.
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