March 1, 2023 • 33 mins
The topic of 'healing' is discussed and how our culture seems to have embraced 'healing' as a more nebulous 'trending' topic as opposed to being a truly beneficial specific practice. Everyone seems to be 'healing' but what does that really mean? Brenda introduces Deborah to the possibility of embracing the more specific term and practice of Repair and Return instead. Their discussion centers around exploring how 'repair & return' can work to help those who are facing issues of trauma and other mental health issues. Becoming aware of your own innate abilities and how you can participate in your 'repair' and owning that knowledge is a fundamental principle of Repair and Return.
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Announcer (00:09):
Welcome to the Soul Path Sessions podcast with
Deborah Minds Pearson and BrendaLittleton.
Brenda is an educator andcounselor wrote it in YY and
Ecopsychology.
She helps her clients understandthe importance of the mind,
body, spirit, and earthrelationship for healing.
Deborah is a licensedpsychotherapist and has been
trained in traditional andsacred psychology, exploring
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Deborah (00:50):
Welcome to Soul Path Sessions.
I'm Deborah Mines Pearson, andI'm here with Brenda Littleton
today.
And we're going to talk aboutrepair and return.
This is a topic that Brendabrought to my attention in a
most interesting way, and I wanther to give her room today to
really expand what she means.
(01:12):
And what was interesting to me,Brenda, about this topic was the
heat you brought to it becausethe heat, you brought some heat.
We were out hiking in the IndianCanyons.
No, it talks, sorry, talks Fallsa few weeks ago.
And, and, uh, this mild matterreporter called Brenda
says, you know, I just hate theword healing.
And I'm like, that'sinteresting.
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I've never heard anyone withthat.
Put those two things like Ireally despise this word healing
and it got me curious cuz I knewthat you had really peeled
something apart.
And I'm just really curious whatyour distinction is and why this
got your ire and, and what youreally wanna focus on for
yourself and maybe for ourlisteners.
Brenda (01:54):
Thank you.
Well, it's not so much that Ihave a problem with the process
of healing or people healing asit is.
Um, you know, a long time ago,about 20 years, I started to
work with trauma and what can Ido as a practitioner to help
people through their pain?
And the idea of wound, uh, oftrauma of healing was not part
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of the vernacular.
Mm-hmm.
, the, the, the,the collective consciousness.
Not, not many people weretalking about my wound, my
childhood wound.
It was the whole idea was not,um, topical and it wasn't
comfortable.
But now, everywhere I turn,every, every podcast I listen
to, or magazine article, or eventhere was an article in the AAA
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magazine is about spots to go toheal.
Mm-hmm.
.
So it's just, it just becomesthe sense of a mashup, you know,
the idea of everyone's, oh, howare you healing today?
You know, what are you doing foryour healing path?
And
Deborah (02:55):
Feels trendy.
Brenda (02:56):
Trendy.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Um, without a lot of sustenance,it, it becomes more of a, a
topic mm-hmm.
as opposed to apractice.
And so I was, um, involved in agroup, um, with Sophie Strand,
who is just an amazing youngwoman, uh, who is bringing to
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the forefront, um, animisticproperties and, and philosophies
that non-human entities,non-human life, uh, is, is part
of our biome, and that we areall interrelated.
And, and while these conceptsare, are part of our mainstream,
she's doing a very specific jobin allowing this conversation,
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um, to be named in differentways and in ways that are
topical.
And I applaud her for that.
And, uh, the idea that I, the,one of the takeaway ideas that I
left from the, the program, um,was dealing with, uh, we, we
were looking at mycelium and theinterconnectedness of mycelium
mm-hmm.
And, and how all,you know, under the ground,
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there's this frequency, thisnetwork of communication that,
that moves and surfaces and thathow we as humans are also all
part of our above groundinterconnected communication.
Mm-hmm.
, and I woke upwith the notion of, I downloaded
this idea instead of sayingmyself mm-hmm.
as, as spelled byS E L f mm-hmm.
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, myself mm-hmm.
mm-hmm.
that, um, on amolecular level, uh, we are, you
know, we are healing ourselves.
We are repairing ourselves, weare moving forward with
unconsciously of ourselvesdividing and, and re you know,
redoing our, like we have newhair, we have new eyes, we have,
you know, new skin.
(04:46):
Mm-hmm.
, we're constantlyrepairing and regenerating, oh,
there's your, there's yourturnaround.
Yeah.
Sos it's a sense of regenerationmm-hmm.
.
And without being conscious ofit, now we can make it, you
know, we can make it consciousmm-hmm.
, But I was workingwith the notion of instead of
myself, S E l F, that wefunction and just give some
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space to the idea of myself, C EL F.
Love it.
And what do cells do?
Yeah.
They repair mm-hmm.
.
Mm-hmm.
, they regenerate.
And when I brought it to, uh, myclients, the idea of if I gave
you a year off of healing, ofworking your practice of
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healing, and I'm gonna ask youto be conscious of repairing,
maybe repairing a sense ofemotional, uh, ha habits or, or
compensations mm-hmm.
, if I was to askyou to repair your relationship
with your daughter or yourrepair, the, the monkey chatter
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in your brain about selfnegative talk, if I was to ask
you to be more cellular mm-hmm.
and be aware ofhow your body is supporting and
is a container for theseemotional, psychological, and
spiritual work mm-hmm.
, and that we alignourselves more with the cellular
function mm-hmm.
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and communicatewith ourselves this way, how
would that feel?
Deborah (06:18):
Mm-hmm.
Brenda (06:19):
, everyone
said that they had a sense of
burden released.
Yeah.
That the practice of healingalso came with the sense of, um,
judgment that they, they didn'tdo something right, or that they
stayed away from their diet orthey didn't do their, their
meditation or their yoga ortheir exercise mm-hmm.
(06:40):
.
And that it was, um, kinda adouble-edged sword that they
were, um, one step forward, twosteps back type of thing.
Mm-hmm.
mm-hmm.
.
And with the notion of repair asopposed to the whole premise of
I'm working my practice to heal,um, it was lighter, more doable,
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um, smaller chunks.
Mm-hmm.
, uh, they couldtrack their progress, that any
activity that they participatedin to assist in their body
repairing mm-hmm.
mm-hmm.
, um, gave themgreat spirit, they felt in
compliance with themselvesmm-hmm.
and there was a, alarger sense of satisfaction
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mm-hmm.
.
So while the notion of, sothat's twofold.
One is, I, I get kind ofirritated by just having
something very sacred, um,becoming a trend.
Deborah (07:39):
I hear you.
Yeah.
I I didn't get that youthroughout the whole word.
It was just the way it was beingmodified, it wasn't integral
enough.
It didn't include the, all themoving parts.
It was hyper fixated and focusedand maybe even doing people
harm.
Yeah.
Brenda (07:55):
Yeah.
Deborah (07:56):
Like if everybody says, I have a wound of trauma and I
have to avoid, and I'm limiting,you know, this is, I see that as
a very negative trend, and I'vewatched it in my own practice
where people will say,so-and-so's narcissistic, that's
also trending.
Everybody's narcissistic.
Yeah.
That's a word.
And I'm not saying that thisdoesn't exist, um, but to a
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certain extent, we all are.
And my wound, my woundology, mystudy of my wound is leading me
into deep, dark de depths ofdepression and despair and all
the D words.
Yes.
And so, as a trauma specialist,I find that I join you in that
because when I was trained inemdr, for instance, eye
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movement, desensitization andreprocessing, they've talked a
lot about resources.
Mm-hmm.
, you can't dotrauma work.
You can't do the bilateralstimulation of a person's eyes
or their, their body in order tohelp them process through like,
let's say rape or the, you know,the murder or some horrible
thing mm-hmm.
, um, without hehelping them access their
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strengths.
Yeah.
So you always begin with what doyou already know?
What already helps you?
Can you visualize it?
Like the, the, the work that,like you were talking about the
cell, like we're, we're, we'renot even like it's
pre-conscious.
Mm-hmm.
, I'm talking toyou right now.
I'm digesting my food, my bloodis circulating, lymphatic cells
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are eating up stuff that I don'twant in my blood.
So I'm, I'm in semi-permeableself.
Brenda (09:29):
C E L F
Deborah (09:30):
C E L F.
Yeah.
And in the same way mentally.
Yeah.
When I'm having thoughts, if I'min a trauma lock, uh, one of my,
one of my, uh, awarenesses iswhen someone's in a trauma lock,
we get them to move their eyesaround brain spotting, getting
them to move their eyes to aplace where they're not locked
and they can access theirbreath, they can access what
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heals them.
The idea that we cannot accessWhat's that?
It's not inside, which issomething you brought up last
semester in our SOPA sessionsthat within us mm-hmm.
is a universe ofknowledge.
And if we as healers don'taccess, we say, I hold this
magic ticket to you and it'llcost you all this money.
And then when I tell you you'rewell, you can go, that's sick.
(10:15):
My job as a healer is to accessyour inner resources, the things
you know, and bring, make themconscious to you so that when we
do the memory work or theretrieval, you can rest there.
Yeah.
Rest and repair.
Brenda (10:29):
Rest and repair and return.
Um, how
Deborah (10:32):
Beautiful.
I love that.
Brenda (10:33):
I, I, yes.
Did a session with Mac Lakota,who is a wonderful depth of
psychologist, psychotherapist,and, um, he has a program in,
um, just holding space for usto, to acknowledge this place of
frozen entities.
(10:53):
Like when we, we have all ofthese, um, these forgotten parts
of ourselves and this implicitmemory, and, and they're being
very, and I call them being verypolite, they're waiting off in
the corner pocket.
Mm-hmm.
waiting for thatopportunity to, to reemerge and,
and yet they're always on thequest to return home.
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Mm-hmm.
.
And, and part of the work thatLaca is providing is a sense of,
um, disengaging with the act ofmoving forward and, and being in
that well of where we can becomfortable.
We, we become comfortable withall of those parts that are not
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repaired, that all of thoseparts that we would, um,
traditionally want to heal.
But the idea is that we we'renot, we're not judging them.
That we accept them as they are,and that we create a sense of
safety, and that the first stepof, of working toward
homeostasis is safety.
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Mm-hmm.
.
And so for me, the idea, and,and this obviously speaks to my
own inner work.
Yeah.
Instead of healing, I wannarepair mm-hmm.
.
Um, I'm also in this place in mylife where I'm repairing
everything, whether it's my car,my house, my body, you know, my
teeth in my hair, all of it.
Mm-hmm.
, um, and, andworking with the cells.
And so that, in that place of,as you're saying, understanding
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what a person's resources areYeah.
If we actually give notice toall of the magic and the
sacredness that's going on inour bodies mm-hmm.
every singlebreath.
Mm-hmm.
, it's amazing.
I mean, I did a yoga practicewith the lady, my, my
practitioner.
She's moved from Joshua Treedown to Mexico.
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And even on Zoom, it was, it waspalatable that it was in
exhaling, going all the way downto being depleted completely
empty, and then staying thereeven a moment further and being
at peace with that, and theninhaling and starting from the
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sense of, yeah.
Wow.
That's a beautiful place to be.
Deborah (13:07):
It's so simple.
Brenda (13:09):
It's very simple.
And if we can start there, thesense of emptiness mm-hmm.
the sense ofcomplete exhalation.
Mm-hmm.
detoxing it out.
So our cells are, I called itthe low, low tide.
Mm-hmm.
, you know, it'sbeing extracted mm-hmm.
.
And then we bring it up and webuild.
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So if we are starting from themost smallest perceptible,
natural, automatic free Yeah.
Free and, and countingthose senses of I am repairing
mm-hmm.
and, um,accentuate that and amplify it.
Mm-hmm.
, I'm, I'm a bigproponent of amplification.
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Mm-hmm.
.
Um, I was lucky to study with,um, James Hillman, uh, for three
years mm-hmm.
, where one of hisopening lines of his very first
lectures at Pacifica was, we'vehad psychotherapy for over a
hundred years and we're stillup.
Deborah (14:08):
Same patient too.
Brenda (14:09):
Yeah.
.
That's a lot of repair there.
.
Deborah (14:14):
Well, it's true.
You know, I'm old enough in mypractice to see that every
generation that comes through isbeginning with where they are.
And I've had to realize, youknow, the, the stages of
evolution as well, as well astrends mm-hmm.
, when a personcomes in.
Mm.
I, I'm not quite as caustic asJames Hillman.
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I I really see psyche therapy asbeing wonderful because it's a
big category.
I mean, many of my clients,their lives are better, and I'm
enriched for knowing them.
And they've gone on to dowonderful things.
I think what the, where it'sbecome, where therapy has taken
a turn, and, and I'm verygrateful to see that it's become
more somatic.
It's become more inclusive.
Brenda (14:55):
Embodied.
Deborah (14:56):
Yes.
And the studies that were doneon the Buddhist monks, the, the,
um, the brain studies where theyshowed that, what you're talking
about, uh, meditation, um, uh,Robert, um, uh, oh, what's her
name?
Uh, Oman, uh,
Brenda (15:13):
Uh, Johnson.
Deborah (15:14):
No, no, no, no.
Um, what's her name?
Um, Luma Thurman.
Robert Thurman studies took me awhile.
I had to go back through theactress to find it.
Click, click, click clickThurman.
Yeah.
Click click.
Thurman Wild came up.
Roman Thur, Robert Thurman, um,basically put
Electroencephalograph on onmonks who are meditating.
And he found that the, the leftparietal region of the brain was
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much more lit up.
He found that their oxygenlevels were much better and they
reported peace.
So what they, what's happened isthat's gotten tied into the work
of John Cabot Zen and, and, um,um, John Boris Cinco and others
who practice, uh, more expandedview of healing.
Um, and we now know in ourfield, in psyche therapy, which
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means soul or our very firstepisode that we must include in
the conversation, what trulyheals and what Robert Thurman
studies showed is if youmeditate or you breathe and you
do mindful practices, you'regonna have a calmer system.
Your body knows how toself-regulate, just like Mr.
Rogers taught youself-regulation through kindness
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to one's self.
Brenda (16:22):
RGUs talks about that in the polyvagal.
Yes.
Deborah (16:24):
Polyvagal so many conversations.
Brenda (16:25):
And I, I used to teach, um, and when I would have my
polyvagal serum Yeah.
Um, symposiums and, and, and theidea of mindfulness and
breathing, and again, thoughit's the molecular level mm-hmm.
, it's the cellmm-hmm.
.
And so I wanna amplify from thesmallest, smallest, smallest
part of our function of lifemm-hmm.
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and amplify it up.
And, um, so I'm walking around,um, when I'm choosing food, it's
like, okay, I'm gonna repair,um, my inflammation.
Yes.
Because I have a lot ofinflammation due to injuries
mm-hmm.
and, um, so it, itportions it out for me.
(17:09):
Mm-hmm.
, I, I'm able tosay, okay, in this little part
of my life, I'm gonna do thislittle packet.
Mm-hmm.
.
And, and then I, I, I, I go intomy yoga practice mm-hmm.
or my meditationpractice mm-hmm.
and I, and, um,and then my physical, and then
my intellect and my creative,and then my spiritual.
And
Deborah (17:26):
You're tapping into your, to your inner
intelligence.
And that's something I thinkthat we want to, psyche wants to
reconnect to this, the humanlife we're living.
I love this because you were myinspiration when we were out
walking after our beautiful dayin the Taitz Falls area.
I got very ill.
And you were talking aboutinflammation, which was perfect.
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Divine timing.
Yeah.
Uh, we went and had some food,and then I went home and I just
puffed up.
And I felt horrible.
Not because of Brenda,but because it was January and
my body had too much surplus.
I was in a canyon with a lot ofpollen and things that I wasn't
particularly used to.
And I just finished theChristmas holiday where there'd
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been a lot of, you know, eat,drink, and be merry with my
family.
And I heard you saying, I'mdealing with inflammation.
So this is the other piece,folks.
Um, healing is at hand.
Meaning if you wonder like,well, gee, how do I learn how to
deescalate my body frominflammation?
Well, that for me was a, alearning path.
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I got on in my twenties,thirties, forties, because I was
very sick.
So I learned to steam vegetablesmm-hmm.
to make a pot ofsteamed vegetables to eat less.
I read and studied extensively,self-healing, self-care.
Nowadays I think it's much moreeasy because you just go on a
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YouTube video, you gotta be alittle careful, but read a few
books on cleansing and healing.
And you're, what Brenda's sayingis you're tapping into your
body's innate ability to heal,to thrive, to calm.
It's not something we, astherapists give you.
We help point you towardsyourself.
Brenda (19:12):
And I asked my clients, c e l Yes.
C e l F I asked them, you'relike, so what's your plan for
repair and return for this week?
Yeah.
And that's their homework.
Deborah (19:23):
It's not like I have this huge wound and I can't
heal.
It's, it's like, I hear that,let's just not make it so big
you could never do anythingabout it.
Yeah.
Except have acid reflux.
Yeah.
And, and, and antidepressants orwhatever.
Let's deal with the cause.
Right.
Brenda (19:39):
And I, you know, in hindsight when I, when I first
did my internship at domesticviolence, um, a a whole
interesting world, um, of a lotof behavioral, lot of C B T, and
, um, it was just, well, let'stalk about how you can take
three steps of change in yourday-to-day life.
(20:04):
Mm-hmm.
, because the wholeoverall atmosphere, the whole
landscape was so debilitating.
Mm-hmm.
was somulti-generational mm-hmm.
that it, it feltfutile.
Mm-hmm.
for the, for theclient.
Yes.
And so just giving a sense of dothis mm-hmm.
and then do this.
Yeah.
And now plant garden, do this.
Deborah (20:22):
Plant a garden even, you know, just, I mean, I look
at, I've worked with peoplewho've come out of war torn
areas.
Um, it, Bosnia Yeah.
Was one of my early experiencesof people who were refugees.
I worked with some Ukrainianpeople, and what I noticed, like
Clarisa Estee talks about a lotin, uh, in her work, uh, uh, the
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, the, the faithful Gardener.
Mm-hmm.
, it's one of myfavorite books, because she
talks about her uncle who comesover from Hungary, Hungarian Hor
, I think it was Hungary.
And, and, and they were like,this was a really bad time,
folks.
This was like death camps andhorrible stuff.
Um, in the early fifties, people, her uncle came over and
everything was taken.
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The land people were killed infront of them.
I've worked with people who'vegone through these things, and
they always start with gettingtheir hands in the soil.
Mm-hmm.
, they start withthe stories.
They weep into the earth.
They don't have small problems.
They have problems that are solarge
Brenda (21:25):
That they can't change it, that
Deborah (21:27):
They must put their hands in the earth and they must
begin again.
I've worked with Holocaustsurvivors.
Yeah.
That's how old I am.
People who have stamps on theirarms, and they don't come in
with small issues.
They, in fact, they, theyinstruct me.
Yeah.
Because it's, it's not tominimize the things that my
clients bring in, it's to, totalk about resilience and the
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ability of the body, mind,spirit to heal, tell the story
in the context of we willsurvive and we will thrive.
And when you thrive and survivethrough your pain, and you're
not afraid to hold it, andyou're aware that you're set up
to heal, you'll naturally sharethat elixir with others.
And that's where the joy is.
Brenda (22:08):
Mm-hmm.
, the key idea isthat may becoming aware of your
own ability Yeah.
And to know that it's going on,whether you're conscious of it
or not.
Deborah (22:21):
Yeah.
I like that.
Yeah.
Brenda (22:22):
And that you can participate along this vein.
You can add, you can jump, youknow, you can assist by being
aware of just how your body isworking for you.
And then if you own that, if youknow that my body, while I may
have severe inflammation mm-hmm.
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, I'm stillreproducing my cells, I still
have skin covering.
I'm, you know, my heart is stillworking mm-hmm.
, um, and
Deborah (22:51):
I might drink some parsley juice and, and my bo my
cells will go, yum, yum.
Yum.
That's so healing and
Brenda (22:57):
Alkaline.
And that, you know, the idea ofgoing in, I, I am always talking
about embodiment and, and theanimistic part of life.
That
Deborah (23:05):
Everything, can you define animistic?
Well,
Brenda (23:07):
Everything has, uh, soul .
Oh yeah.
That there's a spirit in,there's a frequency.
Everything has a frequency.
Mm-hmm.
, I mean, that'swhy we have the periodic table
mm-hmm.
so that weunderstand the chemicals.
Fascinating.
And that, um, it used to be moreof a more spiritual practice
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that mm-hmm.
in eliminating itthrough the, the advent of
various religions and havingreligions become expansionary
and, uh, manifest destiny.
Mm-hmm.
.
And so a lot of the, the oldways were, um, folded in or went
underground into mycelium.
Mm-hmm.
.
Mm-hmm.
.
That's why I love mycelium, cuzit holds all of our
Deborah (23:49):
Secrets.
And mycelium brief definition,
Brenda (23:52):
Uh, the interconnectness of the life force under the,
under the, the fungus, the fung,it's fungi.
It's, um, and the fruit of thefungi would be mushrooms, uhhuh,
, you know, you canpick mushrooms mm-hmm.
, and, but you'renot killing the mycelium.
It's
Deborah (24:05):
Still underground.
So it's like an internalunderground network of life
that's
Brenda (24:09):
A neural network
Deborah (24:10):
That's sending, uh, nutrient information and
healing, to use that word,healing underneath the
repairing.
And if you, and restoring underthe ground,
Brenda (24:17):
If you look at it and you take a, a micro pH, uh,
photo of it, it looks like ourneural pathways in our body.
Deborah (24:25):
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
Brenda (24:26):
I mean, it's, it's very, I it's almost identical.
We
Deborah (24:28):
Are a tree
Brenda (24:30):
and the mother
tree, I mean, yeah.
Suzanne, Sam Mars work, theprofessor out of ubc, university
of British Columbia and ForestryTalks has identified how the
single mother tree actually, uh,assigns, um, and, um, assembles
resources and sends it out intodifferent parts of the forest
mm-hmm.
.
And so, um, it's, it's allvital.
(24:51):
And as are we, so that's my, I'm, I'm exploring it.
I'm, I'm looking at the idea ofrecovery and repair.
Um, as Mark, as Matt Lada hadmentioned, you know, the first
step toward any healing is asense of safety.
I find that people, that thepeople I work with, whether
they're it's coaching or, orcounseling, um, once they
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achieve a place of safety thatthey self design, that they live
it, they, they know it, whetherin their body.
Um, some people only have theirbody.
Some, some, some people insafety, it doesn't exist out in
the world mm-hmm.
.
But when they have that sense ofawareness of safety mm-hmm.
, um, it is thefirst step and of, of healing
(25:35):
mm-hmm.
.
And to me, if we portion it out,just like having ingredients in
a soup mm-hmm.
, um, yeah.
We're working toward theultimate affect of healing, but,
uh, just trunking it out, PORslike multiple personas and the
idea of how are you going torepair and return this week.
Deborah (25:54):
I love that.
I love that so much.
And it makes so much sense,body, mind, spirit, shadow, that
our work is to find that base.
It's the base.
Yeah.
Right.
It's the first need of a baby tofeel secure, securely attached.
Mm-hmm.
.
Um, I find that for me, when Idon't feel secure, I go out in
nature and I sit in a quietplace.
(26:16):
Even if I have to drive, if Iwas so anxious, I couldn't, I
might get a really soft blanketand hum.
Mm.
Brenda (26:22):
You might a little
Deborah (26:23):
Whistled.
Yeah.
You have that whistle.
You, you, you just create atone.
I learned to do this thing, Ithink it's called Manara, where
you actually take your fingersand you take the flaps of your
ears and you cover the hole inyour ears, and then you close
your eyes and you go,
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Hmm.
Deborah (26:44):
And in doing that, I create a vibratory space, a
frequency.
Yeah.
That stops all the noise.
And all I can hear is my ownhumming.
It's just such a good one.
It is for just restoring me tothe now moment.
It sounds like a zen templeinside of me when
Brenda (27:02):
I'm doing that.
Well, there's a sense offrequency that I, in the
chanting that allows me tovibrate out and I connect in
ways that are much moresatisfying mm-hmm.
and much morejoyful mm-hmm.
than if I justkeep it inside and I have mm-hmm
.
my own space, youknow, I like being connected
(27:25):
mm-hmm.
to outside andmm-hmm.
.
So for me, chanting outside, um,my little whistle, um, life wave
I think it's called, um, youknow, the frequency that you've
just said mm-hmm.
where you're,you're activating because those,
that's a cellular molecular andit's gonna affect the bioche
three.
I mean, part of my postdoc workwas working in biochemistry
(27:47):
mm-hmm.
and, and what, how, how, what activities, such as
what you referred to earlier,doing the mind mapping with the
meditation mm-hmm.
and, and knowingthat it dumps oxytocin within a
very short time, like eightminutes.
Deborah (28:00):
Yeah.
I'm already feeling the effectof just doing mancar.
This, I feel very relaxed.
I just gave myself a littleholiday.
Brenda (28:07):
Yeah.
.
I like that.
Holiday.
Holiday.
Deborah (28:09):
Yeah.
.
It feels good.
It didn't cost anything.
Yeah.
That's a fun tool to have.
So I, I think this, uh, as welook at the idea of repair as
we're revisiting that, it's likeyou're re you're pairing
something mm-hmm.
, I mean, withsomething else.
And so you're pairingconsciousness of my skin cells,
my blood cells, uh, the thingsthat Deepak Chopra talked about
(28:31):
way back in the nineties.
Magical mind, magical body.
It's on YouTube.
He talked about, be aware of themiracle of every cell of your
body is right now healing, you,replicating, taking away toxins.
You are creating or biology ofbelief.
Bruce Lipton.
Yeah.
What you're doing right now iscalled epigenetics.
You the things that you choose,or it's not your just genetic
(28:54):
code.
You're actively acting with thepresent, current now moment to
bring about healing.
If you wish.
Brenda (29:01):
To me, it's the, the first beginning of embodiment.
I love it.
And the visionary, the visionthat I was given was a long
hallway, dark hallway, but atthe, toward the middle of it,
this is a jar door, and thisgolden light is emanating Mm.
Calling me, beckoning me.
(29:21):
So I go down this hallway, Ivery, it's not timidly, but very
cautiously open.
And there is this giantVibrating sun, but I see that it
is one cell.
And then I actually watch itstarting to, to divide mm-hmm.
(29:42):
.
And, and it's very reminiscentof seeing a cell divide into
two.
But right before they break awaythe two sides of, of the, like a
Venn diagram mm-hmm.
, the two circlesare together.
And right at that, that junctionright before they divide, I look
down and all the way down, like,uh, an elevator in both of these
(30:05):
circles is, is a circle beyond acircle, beyond a circle, beyond
a circle, beyond a circle beyond.
And it goes all the way.
And I realize this is, these arelittle tubes of discovery.
And this is my breath.
This is my blood, this is myhistory, this is my future.
And, and everything is containedand it's all vibrating.
(30:26):
And so I enter into that and Ijust feel this warmth and this,
this pulsation, and I realizethat this is my life force.
Mm-hmm.
Deborah (30:36):
.
Brenda (30:37):
And from here I can create, I can digest, I can
write, I can paint, I can movein through my day.
And, and I stay in that space.
And even as I drive on thefreeway, or if I'm sitting in a
(31:01):
conference, or if I'm giving alecture or sitting in sacred
space in a client, this newvision of the cellular divide
going all the way down this,this, this chamber mm-hmm.
, um, that connectsme to where my, my eyesight in
this room all the way back downinto past the earth crust, into,
(31:25):
down below, beyond the planet.
Mm-hmm.
, uh, it justcreates for me this place of
safety.
And so I feel that I'm ready to,um, face and hold and work and
move forward from this, this,this beautiful place of
(31:45):
containment.
Deborah (31:46):
Beautiful.
It sounds like you're reallyutilizing active imagination as
well, which is a holographicfield.
Yeah.
That connects you to these verybeautiful inner workings of the,
not just yourself c e f, but theuniverse.
Yeah.
That's wonderful.
Brenda, thank you so much forsharing this today.
(32:07):
I think it pleasure.
It's quite deeply nurturing.
Brenda (32:09):
Thanks for asking.
All right.
Thanks Deborah.
Until
Deborah (32:11):
We meet again,,
Brenda (32:12):
Bye bye.
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Deborah (00:50):
Welcome to Soul Path Sessions.
I'm Deborah Mines Pearson, andI'm here with Brenda Littleton
today.
And we're going to talk aboutrepair and return.
This is a topic that Brendabrought to my attention in a
most interesting way, and I wanther to give her room today to
really expand what she means.
(01:12):
And what was interesting to me,Brenda, about this topic was the
heat you brought to it becausethe heat, you brought some heat.
We were out hiking in the IndianCanyons.
No, it talks, sorry, talks Fallsa few weeks ago.
And, and, uh, this mild matterreporter called Brenda
says, you know, I just hate theword healing.
And I'm like, that'sinteresting.
(01:33):
I've never heard anyone withthat.
Put those two things like Ireally despise this word healing
and it got me curious cuz I knewthat you had really peeled
something apart.
And I'm just really curious whatyour distinction is and why this
got your ire and, and what youreally wanna focus on for
yourself and maybe for ourlisteners.
Brenda (01:54):
Thank you.
Well, it's not so much that Ihave a problem with the process
of healing or people healing asit is.
Um, you know, a long time ago,about 20 years, I started to
work with trauma and what can Ido as a practitioner to help
people through their pain?
And the idea of wound, uh, oftrauma of healing was not part
(02:18):
of the vernacular.
Mm-hmm.
Not, not many people weretalking about my wound, my
childhood wound.
It was the whole idea was not,um, topical and it wasn't
comfortable.
But now, everywhere I turn,every, every podcast I listen
to, or magazine article, or eventhere was an article in the AAA
(02:43):
magazine is about spots to go toheal.
Mm-hmm.
So it's just, it just becomesthe sense of a mashup, you know,
the idea of everyone's, oh, howare you healing today?
You know, what are you doing foryour healing path?
And
Deborah (02:55):
Feels trendy.
Brenda (02:56):
Trendy.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Um, without a lot of sustenance,it, it becomes more of a, a
topic mm-hmm.
And so I was, um, involved in agroup, um, with Sophie Strand,
who is just an amazing youngwoman, uh, who is bringing to
(03:18):
the forefront, um, animisticproperties and, and philosophies
that non-human entities,non-human life, uh, is, is part
of our biome, and that we areall interrelated.
And, and while these conceptsare, are part of our mainstream,
she's doing a very specific jobin allowing this conversation,
(03:41):
um, to be named in differentways and in ways that are
topical.
And I applaud her for that.
And, uh, the idea that I, the,one of the takeaway ideas that I
left from the, the program, um,was dealing with, uh, we, we
were looking at mycelium and theinterconnectedness of mycelium
mm-hmm.
(04:03):
there's this frequency, thisnetwork of communication that,
that moves and surfaces and thathow we as humans are also all
part of our above groundinterconnected communication.
Mm-hmm.
this idea instead of sayingmyself mm-hmm.
(04:26):
know, we are healing ourselves.
We are repairing ourselves, weare moving forward with
unconsciously of ourselvesdividing and, and re you know,
redoing our, like we have newhair, we have new eyes, we have,
you know, new skin.
(04:46):
Mm-hmm.
there's your, there's yourturnaround.
Yeah.
Sos it's a sense of regenerationmm-hmm.
And without being conscious ofit, now we can make it, you
know, we can make it consciousmm-hmm.
myself, S E l F, that wefunction and just give some
(05:10):
space to the idea of myself, C EL F.
Love it.
And what do cells do?
Yeah.
They repair mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And when I brought it to, uh, myclients, the idea of if I gave
you a year off of healing, ofworking your practice of
(05:31):
healing, and I'm gonna ask youto be conscious of repairing,
maybe repairing a sense ofemotional, uh, ha habits or, or
compensations mm-hmm.
with your daughter or yourrepair, the, the monkey chatter
(05:52):
in your brain about selfnegative talk, if I was to ask
you to be more cellular mm-hmm.
is a container for theseemotional, psychological, and
spiritual work mm-hmm.
function mm-hmm.
(06:13):
would that feel?
Deborah (06:18):
Mm-hmm.
Brenda (06:19):
burden released.
Yeah.
That the practice of healingalso came with the sense of, um,
judgment that they, they didn'tdo something right, or that they
stayed away from their diet orthey didn't do their, their
meditation or their yoga ortheir exercise mm-hmm.
(06:40):
And that it was, um, kinda adouble-edged sword that they
were, um, one step forward, twosteps back type of thing.
Mm-hmm.
And with the notion of repair asopposed to the whole premise of
I'm working my practice to heal,um, it was lighter, more doable,
(07:02):
um, smaller chunks.
Mm-hmm.
activity that they participatedin to assist in their body
repairing mm-hmm.
compliance with themselvesmm-hmm.
(07:25):
mm-hmm.
So while the notion of, sothat's twofold.
One is, I, I get kind ofirritated by just having
something very sacred, um,becoming a trend.
Deborah (07:39):
I hear you.
Yeah.
I I didn't get that youthroughout the whole word.
It was just the way it was beingmodified, it wasn't integral
enough.
It didn't include the, all themoving parts.
It was hyper fixated and focusedand maybe even doing people
harm.
Yeah.
Brenda (07:55):
Yeah.
Deborah (07:56):
Like if everybody says, I have a wound of trauma and I
have to avoid, and I'm limiting,you know, this is, I see that as
a very negative trend, and I'vewatched it in my own practice
where people will say,so-and-so's narcissistic, that's
also trending.
Everybody's narcissistic.
Yeah.
That's a word.
And I'm not saying that thisdoesn't exist, um, but to a
(08:16):
certain extent, we all are.
And my wound, my woundology, mystudy of my wound is leading me
into deep, dark de depths ofdepression and despair and all
the D words.
Yes.
And so, as a trauma specialist,I find that I join you in that
because when I was trained inemdr, for instance, eye
(08:39):
movement, desensitization andreprocessing, they've talked a
lot about resources.
Mm-hmm.
You can't do the bilateralstimulation of a person's eyes
or their, their body in order tohelp them process through like,
let's say rape or the, you know,the murder or some horrible
thing mm-hmm.
(09:02):
strengths.
Yeah.
So you always begin with what doyou already know?
What already helps you?
Can you visualize it?
Like the, the, the work that,like you were talking about the
cell, like we're, we're, we'renot even like it's
pre-conscious.
Mm-hmm.
I'm digesting my food, my bloodis circulating, lymphatic cells
(09:23):
are eating up stuff that I don'twant in my blood.
So I'm, I'm in semi-permeableself.
Brenda (09:29):
C E L F
Deborah (09:30):
C E L F.
Yeah.
And in the same way mentally.
Yeah.
When I'm having thoughts, if I'min a trauma lock, uh, one of my,
one of my, uh, awarenesses iswhen someone's in a trauma lock,
we get them to move their eyesaround brain spotting, getting
them to move their eyes to aplace where they're not locked
and they can access theirbreath, they can access what
(09:52):
heals them.
The idea that we cannot accessWhat's that?
It's not inside, which issomething you brought up last
semester in our SOPA sessionsthat within us mm-hmm.
And if we as healers don'taccess, we say, I hold this
magic ticket to you and it'llcost you all this money.
And then when I tell you you'rewell, you can go, that's sick.
(10:15):
My job as a healer is to accessyour inner resources, the things
you know, and bring, make themconscious to you so that when we
do the memory work or theretrieval, you can rest there.
Yeah.
Rest and repair.
Brenda (10:29):
Rest and repair and return.
Um, how
Deborah (10:32):
Beautiful.
I love that.
Brenda (10:33):
I, I, yes.
Did a session with Mac Lakota,who is a wonderful depth of
psychologist, psychotherapist,and, um, he has a program in,
um, just holding space for usto, to acknowledge this place of
frozen entities.
(10:53):
Like when we, we have all ofthese, um, these forgotten parts
of ourselves and this implicitmemory, and, and they're being
very, and I call them being verypolite, they're waiting off in
the corner pocket.
Mm-hmm.
and yet they're always on thequest to return home.
(11:14):
Mm-hmm.
And, and part of the work thatLaca is providing is a sense of,
um, disengaging with the act ofmoving forward and, and being in
that well of where we can becomfortable.
We, we become comfortable withall of those parts that are not
(11:37):
repaired, that all of thoseparts that we would, um,
traditionally want to heal.
But the idea is that we we'renot, we're not judging them.
That we accept them as they are,and that we create a sense of
safety, and that the first stepof, of working toward
homeostasis is safety.
(11:58):
Mm-hmm.
And so for me, the idea, and,and this obviously speaks to my
own inner work.
Yeah.
Instead of healing, I wannarepair mm-hmm.
Um, I'm also in this place in mylife where I'm repairing
everything, whether it's my car,my house, my body, you know, my
teeth in my hair, all of it.
Mm-hmm.
And so that, in that place of,as you're saying, understanding
(12:19):
what a person's resources areYeah.
If we actually give notice toall of the magic and the
sacredness that's going on inour bodies mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, I did a yoga practicewith the lady, my, my
practitioner.
She's moved from Joshua Treedown to Mexico.
(12:40):
And even on Zoom, it was, it waspalatable that it was in
exhaling, going all the way downto being depleted completely
empty, and then staying thereeven a moment further and being
at peace with that, and theninhaling and starting from the
(13:03):
sense of, yeah.
Wow.
That's a beautiful place to be.
Deborah (13:07):
It's so simple.
Brenda (13:09):
It's very simple.
And if we can start there, thesense of emptiness mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So our cells are, I called itthe low, low tide.
Mm-hmm.
And then we bring it up and webuild.
(13:31):
So if we are starting from themost smallest perceptible,
natural, automatic free Yeah.
Free
mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
(13:51):
Mm-hmm.
Um, I was lucky to study with,um, James Hillman, uh, for three
years mm-hmm.
lectures at Pacifica was, we'vehad psychotherapy for over a
hundred years and we're stillup.
Deborah (14:08):
Same patient too.
Brenda (14:09):
Yeah.
That's a lot of repair there.
Deborah (14:14):
Well, it's true.
You know, I'm old enough in mypractice to see that every
generation that comes through isbeginning with where they are.
And I've had to realize, youknow, the, the stages of
evolution as well, as well astrends mm-hmm.
Mm.
I, I'm not quite as caustic asJames Hillman.
(14:35):
I I really see psyche therapy asbeing wonderful because it's a
big category.
I mean, many of my clients,their lives are better, and I'm
enriched for knowing them.
And they've gone on to dowonderful things.
I think what the, where it'sbecome, where therapy has taken
a turn, and, and I'm verygrateful to see that it's become
more somatic.
It's become more inclusive.
Brenda (14:55):
Embodied.
Deborah (14:56):
Yes.
And the studies that were doneon the Buddhist monks, the, the,
um, the brain studies where theyshowed that, what you're talking
about, uh, meditation, um, uh,Robert, um, uh, oh, what's her
name?
Uh, Oman, uh,
Brenda (15:13):
Uh, Johnson.
Deborah (15:14):
No, no, no, no.
Um, what's her name?
Um, Luma Thurman.
Robert Thurman studies took me awhile.
I had to go back through theactress to find it.
Click, click, click clickThurman.
Yeah.
Click click.
Thurman Wild came up.
Roman Thur, Robert Thurman, um,basically put
Electroencephalograph on onmonks who are meditating.
And he found that the, the leftparietal region of the brain was
(15:35):
much more lit up.
He found that their oxygenlevels were much better and they
reported peace.
So what they, what's happened isthat's gotten tied into the work
of John Cabot Zen and, and, um,um, John Boris Cinco and others
who practice, uh, more expandedview of healing.
Um, and we now know in ourfield, in psyche therapy, which
(15:58):
means soul or our very firstepisode that we must include in
the conversation, what trulyheals and what Robert Thurman
studies showed is if youmeditate or you breathe and you
do mindful practices, you'regonna have a calmer system.
Your body knows how toself-regulate, just like Mr.
Rogers taught youself-regulation through kindness
(16:20):
to one's self.
Brenda (16:22):
RGUs talks about that in the polyvagal.
Yes.
Deborah (16:24):
Polyvagal so many conversations.
Brenda (16:25):
And I, I used to teach, um, and when I would have my
polyvagal serum Yeah.
Um, symposiums and, and, and theidea of mindfulness and
breathing, and again, thoughit's the molecular level mm-hmm.
And so I wanna amplify from thesmallest, smallest, smallest
part of our function of lifemm-hmm.
(16:48):
And, um, so I'm walking around,um, when I'm choosing food, it's
like, okay, I'm gonna repair,um, my inflammation.
Yes.
Because I have a lot ofinflammation due to injuries
mm-hmm.
(17:09):
Mm-hmm.
of my life, I'm gonna do thislittle packet.
Mm-hmm.
And, and then I, I, I, I go intomy yoga practice mm-hmm.
my intellect and my creative,and then my spiritual.
And
Deborah (17:26):
You're tapping into your, to your inner
intelligence.
And that's something I thinkthat we want to, psyche wants to
reconnect to this, the humanlife we're living.
I love this because you were myinspiration when we were out
walking after our beautiful dayin the Taitz Falls area.
I got very ill.
And you were talking aboutinflammation, which was perfect.
(17:48):
Divine timing.
Yeah.
Uh, we went and had some food,and then I went home and I just
puffed up.
And I felt horrible.
Not because of Brenda
my body had too much surplus.
I was in a canyon with a lot ofpollen and things that I wasn't
particularly used to.
And I just finished theChristmas holiday where there'd
(18:10):
been a lot of, you know, eat,drink, and be merry with my
family.
And I heard you saying, I'mdealing with inflammation.
So this is the other piece,folks.
Um, healing is at hand.
Meaning if you wonder like,well, gee, how do I learn how to
deescalate my body frominflammation?
Well, that for me was a, alearning path.
(18:32):
I got on in my twenties,thirties, forties, because I was
very sick.
So I learned to steam vegetablesmm-hmm.
I read and studied extensively,self-healing, self-care.
Nowadays I think it's much moreeasy because you just go on a
(18:53):
YouTube video, you gotta be alittle careful, but read a few
books on cleansing and healing.
And you're, what Brenda's sayingis you're tapping into your
body's innate ability to heal,to thrive, to calm.
It's not something we, astherapists give you.
We help point you towardsyourself.
Brenda (19:12):
And I asked my clients, c e l Yes.
C e l F I asked them, you'relike, so what's your plan for
repair and return for this week?
Yeah.
And that's their homework.
Deborah (19:23):
It's not like I have this huge wound and I can't
heal.
It's, it's like, I hear that,let's just not make it so big
you could never do anythingabout it.
Yeah.
Except have acid reflux.
Yeah.
And, and, and antidepressants orwhatever.
Let's deal with the cause.
Right.
Brenda (19:39):
And I, you know, in hindsight when I, when I first
did my internship at domesticviolence, um, a a whole
interesting world, um, of a lotof behavioral, lot of C B T, and
, um, it was just, well, let'stalk about how you can take
three steps of change in yourday-to-day life.
(20:04):
Mm-hmm.
landscape was so debilitating.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And so just giving a sense of dothis mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And now plant garden, do this.
Deborah (20:22):
Plant a garden even, you know, just, I mean, I look
at, I've worked with peoplewho've come out of war torn
areas.
Um, it, Bosnia Yeah.
Was one of my early experiencesof people who were refugees.
I worked with some Ukrainianpeople, and what I noticed, like
Clarisa Estee talks about a lotin, uh, in her work, uh, uh, the
(20:46):
, the, the faithful Gardener.
Mm-hmm.
talks about her uncle who comesover from Hungary, Hungarian Hor
, I think it was Hungary.
And, and, and they were like,this was a really bad time,
folks.
This was like death camps andhorrible stuff.
Um, in the early fifties, people, her uncle came over and
everything was taken.
(21:07):
The land people were killed infront of them.
I've worked with people who'vegone through these things, and
they always start with gettingtheir hands in the soil.
Mm-hmm.
They weep into the earth.
They don't have small problems.
They have problems that are solarge
Brenda (21:25):
That they can't change it, that
Deborah (21:27):
They must put their hands in the earth and they must
begin again.
I've worked with Holocaustsurvivors.
Yeah.
That's how old I am.
People who have stamps on theirarms, and they don't come in
with small issues.
They, in fact, they, theyinstruct me.
Yeah.
Because it's, it's not tominimize the things that my
clients bring in, it's to, totalk about resilience and the
(21:47):
ability of the body, mind,spirit to heal, tell the story
in the context of we willsurvive and we will thrive.
And when you thrive and survivethrough your pain, and you're
not afraid to hold it, andyou're aware that you're set up
to heal, you'll naturally sharethat elixir with others.
And that's where the joy is.
Brenda (22:08):
Mm-hmm.
own ability Yeah.
And to know that it's going on,whether you're conscious of it
or not.
Deborah (22:21):
Yeah.
I like that.
Yeah.
Brenda (22:22):
And that you can participate along this vein.
You can add, you can jump, youknow, you can assist by being
aware of just how your body isworking for you.
And then if you own that, if youknow that my body, while I may
have severe inflammation mm-hmm.
(22:43):
have skin covering.
I'm, you know, my heart is stillworking mm-hmm.
Deborah (22:51):
I might drink some parsley juice and, and my bo my
cells will go, yum, yum.
Yum.
That's so healing and
Brenda (22:57):
Alkaline.
And that, you know, the idea ofgoing in, I, I am always talking
about embodiment and, and theanimistic part of life.
That
Deborah (23:05):
Everything, can you define animistic?
Well,
Brenda (23:07):
Everything has, uh, soul .
Oh yeah.
That there's a spirit in,there's a frequency.
Everything has a frequency.
Mm-hmm.
mm-hmm.
Fascinating.
And that, um, it used to be moreof a more spiritual practice
(23:28):
that mm-hmm.
various religions and havingreligions become expansionary
and, uh, manifest destiny.
Mm-hmm.
And so a lot of the, the oldways were, um, folded in or went
underground into mycelium.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
That's why I love mycelium, cuzit holds all of our
Deborah (23:49):
Secrets.
And mycelium brief definition,
Brenda (23:52):
Uh, the interconnectness of the life force under the,
under the, the fungus, the fung,it's fungi.
It's, um, and the fruit of thefungi would be mushrooms, uhhuh,
It's
Deborah (24:05):
Still underground.
So it's like an internalunderground network of life
that's
Brenda (24:09):
A neural network
Deborah (24:10):
That's sending, uh, nutrient information and
healing, to use that word,healing underneath the
repairing.
And if you, and restoring underthe ground,
Brenda (24:17):
If you look at it and you take a, a micro pH, uh,
photo of it, it looks like ourneural pathways in our body.
Deborah (24:25):
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
Brenda (24:26):
I mean, it's, it's very, I it's almost identical.
We
Deborah (24:28):
Are a tree
Brenda (24:30):
Suzanne, Sam Mars work, theprofessor out of ubc, university
of British Columbia and ForestryTalks has identified how the
single mother tree actually, uh,assigns, um, and, um, assembles
resources and sends it out intodifferent parts of the forest
mm-hmm.
And so, um, it's, it's allvital.
(24:51):
And as are we, so that's my, I'm, I'm exploring it.
I'm, I'm looking at the idea ofrecovery and repair.
Um, as Mark, as Matt Lada hadmentioned, you know, the first
step toward any healing is asense of safety.
I find that people, that thepeople I work with, whether
they're it's coaching or, orcounseling, um, once they
(25:14):
achieve a place of safety thatthey self design, that they live
it, they, they know it, whetherin their body.
Um, some people only have theirbody.
Some, some, some people insafety, it doesn't exist out in
the world mm-hmm.
But when they have that sense ofawareness of safety mm-hmm.
(25:35):
mm-hmm.
And to me, if we portion it out,just like having ingredients in
a soup mm-hmm.
We're working toward theultimate affect of healing, but,
uh, just trunking it out, PORslike multiple personas and the
idea of how are you going torepair and return this week.
Deborah (25:54):
I love that.
I love that so much.
And it makes so much sense,body, mind, spirit, shadow, that
our work is to find that base.
It's the base.
Yeah.
Right.
It's the first need of a baby tofeel secure, securely attached.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I find that for me, when Idon't feel secure, I go out in
nature and I sit in a quietplace.
(26:16):
Even if I have to drive, if Iwas so anxious, I couldn't, I
might get a really soft blanketand hum.
Mm.
Brenda (26:22):
You might a little
Deborah (26:23):
Whistled.
Yeah.
You have that whistle.
You, you, you just create atone.
I learned to do this thing, Ithink it's called Manara, where
you actually take your fingersand you take the flaps of your
ears and you cover the hole inyour ears, and then you close
your eyes and you go,
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Hmm.
Deborah (26:44):
And in doing that, I create a vibratory space, a
frequency.
Yeah.
That stops all the noise.
And all I can hear is my ownhumming.
It's just such a good one.
It is for just restoring me tothe now moment.
It sounds like a zen templeinside of me when
Brenda (27:02):
I'm doing that.
Well, there's a sense offrequency that I, in the
chanting that allows me tovibrate out and I connect in
ways that are much moresatisfying mm-hmm.
.
(27:25):
mm-hmm.
So for me, chanting outside, um,my little whistle, um, life wave
I think it's called, um, youknow, the frequency that you've
just said mm-hmm.
that's a cellular molecular andit's gonna affect the bioche
three.
I mean, part of my postdoc workwas working in biochemistry
(27:47):
mm-hmm.
what you referred to earlier,doing the mind mapping with the
meditation mm-hmm.
very short time, like eightminutes.
Deborah (28:00):
Yeah.
I'm already feeling the effectof just doing mancar.
This, I feel very relaxed.
I just gave myself a littleholiday.
Brenda (28:07):
Yeah.
I like that.
Holiday.
Holiday.
Deborah (28:09):
Yeah.
It feels good.
It didn't cost anything.
Yeah.
That's a fun tool to have.
So I, I think this, uh, as welook at the idea of repair as
we're revisiting that, it's likeyou're re you're pairing
something mm-hmm.
And so you're pairingconsciousness of my skin cells,
my blood cells, uh, the thingsthat Deepak Chopra talked about
(28:31):
way back in the nineties.
Magical mind, magical body.
It's on YouTube.
He talked about, be aware of themiracle of every cell of your
body is right now healing, you,replicating, taking away toxins.
You are creating or biology ofbelief.
Bruce Lipton.
Yeah.
What you're doing right now iscalled epigenetics.
You the things that you choose,or it's not your just genetic
(28:54):
code.
You're actively acting with thepresent, current now moment to
bring about healing.
If you wish.
Brenda (29:01):
To me, it's the, the first beginning of embodiment.
I love it.
And the visionary, the visionthat I was given was a long
hallway, dark hallway, but atthe, toward the middle of it,
this is a jar door, and thisgolden light is emanating Mm.
Calling me, beckoning me.
(29:21):
So I go down this hallway, Ivery, it's not timidly, but very
cautiously open.
And there is this giantVibrating sun, but I see that it
is one cell.
And then I actually watch itstarting to, to divide mm-hmm.
(29:42):
And, and it's very reminiscentof seeing a cell divide into
two.
But right before they break awaythe two sides of, of the, like a
Venn diagram mm-hmm.
And right at that, that junctionright before they divide, I look
down and all the way down, like,uh, an elevator in both of these
(30:05):
circles is, is a circle beyond acircle, beyond a circle, beyond
a circle, beyond a circle beyond.
And it goes all the way.
And I realize this is, these arelittle tubes of discovery.
And this is my breath.
This is my blood, this is myhistory, this is my future.
And, and everything is containedand it's all vibrating.
(30:26):
And so I enter into that and Ijust feel this warmth and this,
this pulsation, and I realizethat this is my life force.
Mm-hmm.
Deborah (30:36):
Brenda (30:37):
And from here I can create, I can digest, I can
write, I can paint, I can movein through my day.
And, and I stay in that space.
And even as I drive on thefreeway, or if I'm sitting in a
(31:01):
conference, or if I'm giving alecture or sitting in sacred
space in a client, this newvision of the cellular divide
going all the way down this,this, this chamber mm-hmm.
this room all the way back downinto past the earth crust, into,
(31:25):
down below, beyond the planet.
Mm-hmm.
safety.
And so I feel that I'm ready to,um, face and hold and work and
move forward from this, this,this beautiful place of
(31:45):
containment.
Deborah (31:46):
Beautiful.
It sounds like you're reallyutilizing active imagination as
well, which is a holographicfield.
Yeah.
That connects you to these verybeautiful inner workings of the,
not just yourself c e f, but theuniverse.
Yeah.
That's wonderful.
Brenda, thank you so much forsharing this today.
(32:07):
I think it pleasure.
It's quite deeply nurturing.
Brenda (32:09):
Thanks for asking.
All right.
Thanks Deborah.
Until
Deborah (32:11):
We meet again,
Brenda (32:12):
Bye bye.
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