April 4, 2025 • 45 mins
Ever wonder what makes some healthcare providers stand out from the rest? Reid Williams and Michael Allison from Fit Muscle & Joint reveal the philosophy that's transforming patient care in the rehabilitation world. These passionate young chiropractors share what drew them to the profession—personal experiences with injuries and rehabilitation that showed them the profound impact of hands-on care and active treatment approaches.
What strikes you immediately is their commitment to spending quality time with patients. While many practices rush through appointments, Reid and Michael detail how their hour-long initial consultations and 30-minute follow-ups allow them to truly understand each person's unique situation. "We're never going to force you to do something you're not comfortable with," Reid explains, highlighting their patient-centered approach that builds trust through education and transparency.
The conversation explores how modern chiropractic care extends far beyond traditional adjustments. Both practitioners emphasize finding the root cause of pain rather than just treating symptoms. They discuss the collaborative environment at their multidisciplinary practice, where chiropractors work alongside physical therapists and occupational therapists to provide comprehensive care. This team approach means patients receive consistent treatment regardless of which provider they see—a refreshing alternative to siloed healthcare.
Perhaps most compelling is their ultimate goal: patient independence. Rather than creating dependence on ongoing care, they aim to equip people with the knowledge and tools to maintain their own health. They share practical advice everyone can use—from essential stretches that counteract our sedentary lifestyles to the importance of aerobic exercise for tissue healing. Whether you're dealing with pain, curious about chiropractic care, or simply interested in taking better care of your body, this conversation offers valuable insights from practitioners who genuinely want to help people feel better and stay well.
Ready to learn more or find care? Visit fitmjc.com to explore their 11 locations across the Kansas City area.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Spandex and Wine podcast.
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Hello and welcome to thespandex and wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I appreciate you listening
today.
Back in 2002, when I decided tomake the move to the fitness
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industry, I remember one of myinstructors telling the class
that we should not expect tokeep our clients forever.
In fact, he said, if you'redoing your job right, then they
won't need you past a certaintime.
And while I'm fortunate to havehad many of my clients for
decades thank you ladies I doget that it is helpful to try
different types of services fora well-rounded approach, and
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I've done that with mychiropractic care.
I love, love my tried and truedoctor and always will.
But I was seeking anotheroption a while back to help with
a pain that I just couldn't getrid of.
I met Reed Williams with Fit,muscle and Joint this past fall
and have so enjoyed our sessions.
You've heard me say how much Irespect and admire the
profession.
I always learn something newand in our time together I've
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been so impressed with theirorganization.
Today I have the honor ofhaving Reed and his colleague,
michael Allison, on the podcast,both young chiropractors with a
true passion for what they do.
I hope you enjoy ourconversation as much as the
three of us did and you'll shareit with a friend.
Here we go.
Well, hello gentlemen, welcometo the show.
(01:50):
Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you, and I understand that both of you are
chiropractors, which I have toldReed so many times how much I
admire chiropractors andphysical therapists.
I think you guys are justamazing and I'm really
interested in how you gotstarted.
Did you always want to be achiropractor?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So I actually started out wanting to do physical
therapy as a career.
I tore my labrum in my shoulderwhen I was going into my
freshman year of high school andended up having to have it
surgically repaired and didseveral months of rehab
afterwards and just reallyenjoyed my experience with the
PT.
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They seemed to enjoy what theydid and so as I got deeper into
high school, kind of gettingready for college, I thought
that I would kind of go thephysical therapy route.
Ended up shadowing some otherclinics and it just ended up
that it wasn't kind of the likesports med environment that I
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had been in, and so it wasactually my sister who
encouraged that I shadow achiropractor and shadowed a
local chiropractor here and hada really positive experience
doing that and kind of sawmyself potentially kind of
switching gears and going thatroute and so toured uh the uh
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Cleveland campus uh Clevelandchiropractic is uh where I did
uh the chiropractic program andum, yeah, decided that I would
go that route and so ironically,um kind of fell into uh a
setting like fit where you knowour physical therapists and our
chiropractors treat verysimilarly.
Um, I always knew that I wantedto be kind of on on the you
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know active care and kind of uh,active rehab side of things as
well, treating athletes and um.
So yeah, it's kind of fungetting to do what I do now,
working alongside some of ourphysical therapists as well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, and how rewarding that people.
You could just help people andhelp people feel better.
That's amazing.
For sure, for sure, yeah, andReed, I know that I've heard
your story but let's tell thelisteners.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So I always knew I wanted to be in medicine of some
capacity and I believe it wasabout my junior year of high
school dealing with my own achesand pains, just like every one
of our therapists.
You see, I did somechiropractic stuff and I was
like man, I really, really likethis, started to dive into it
later into high school, thengetting into college.
That was always my path.
I actually went to Logan aroundSt Louis instead of Cleveland,
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went for something that,ironically, I don't actually do
now.
But, just like Michael said, Iactually found out about Fit Me
Up podcast.
I had a friend good friend thatput me onto it, started to get
into some of more of that activerehab, started talking to one
of our owners and then just kindof fell in love with the place
and honestly got a little bit ofluck going in there too and, as
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they say, the rest is kind ofhistory little bit of luck going
in there too, and, as they say,the rest is kind of history.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, Well, and one of the things that I love
about you guys but also you knowevery chiropractor that I've
been to before I just learned somuch and I love how you guys
like to get to the root cause.
You're not going to just givesomebody a pill or this or that.
You want to figure out what'sgoing on in their body and truly
help them heal.
So speak to that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I think I mean you know both, both chiropractic
and physical therapy are kindof a choose your own, choose
your own adventure profession,and you know.
So I think what makes us uniqueis, you know, we're one-on-one
and you know, treating a widevariety of injuries.
It's not like we just treatpost-surgical patients and then
on the chiropractic side ofthings, you know, it's not just
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spine related injuries.
I mean, we treat extremitiesand you know a lot of overuse
injuries that come in, and so,yeah, it's really important to
identify, you know, what'scausing your pain, what's going
to be the most efficient painmanagement strategy.
And then you know what doesthis look like as far as you
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know, building some resilienceand, you know, hopefully,
keeping stuff like this at bayin the future.
And you know, I think you knowin the past it was kind of PT
was known for, you know, okay,coming with low back pain.
Here's, you know, a list of 20exercises that we do for cord
hip stability.
And then on the chiropracticside it was, oh, you're coming
in with low back pain.
You know, let's adjust you upand send you on your way.
It's like pain is just so muchmore complex.
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Like us is like, I mean, youknow, like people in the active
population like we, just youknow like injuries are really
nuanced, and so I think for usit's really fun because it's
like man, okay, like you know,you've really been struggling to
run or you've been strugglingto ride your bike, like let's
figure out, like you know, whatled up to that and how are we
going to get you back to doingthat as efficiently as possible
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and, um, you know, kind of help,like you know, empower patients
to feel like they have a littlebit of control as well.
I feel like, traditionally,people come into maybe a medical
setting and they're like, hey,like just make me better, make
me better.
And it's like, hey, we're goingto be a team in this and, like
you know, like I obviously playan important role, but like you,
as a patient, play an importantrole too, and um, so yeah, yeah
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, to kind of add to that, youkind of went down the path that
I was going to say is ultimately, I think, with us is finding
the root cause.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The idea is, we're in this as a team and ultimately,
too many times with any kind ofmedicine, it's just here, let's
throw this at it, let's stickand see if it works, instead of
kind of joining forces togetherand going, hey, we're going to
buckle up for a minute.
We got to be in this togetherand that goal ultimately just
gets you out of pain but alsoteach you ways that you can stay
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out of pain, cause we don'twant to sit here at this
revolving door and have low backpain every other year.
We're dealing with this and youcan't go hang out with your
kids, throw the baseball,whatever it may be.
So ultimately, that is reallywhy we all do this is to try to
get you out of pain, but theygive you some fixes too.
And then, fortunately for us,we also meet some really cool
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people along the way.
You get to be a part of theirhealth journey, but then also
even like friends with them.
It's a super, super fun andrewarding experience.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And one of the things that Iwas really impressed with at Fit
, muscle and Joint that I feelis different than some of the
traditional chiropractors, isthat you guys spend ample time
with every patient.
In fact, my first visit weprobably went over an hour
because we were probably talkingso much.
But it was scheduled for anhour and then half hours after
that.
(08:10):
You know, it's not just thefive minutes in and out.
So, like I said, you taught meso many things, so I so
appreciate that.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, I always tell patients too, you know, I mean,
you can be seeing the absolute,you know, best provider in
really any medical setting.
They may just not have thecapacity to be able to spend the
time with you that they need todeliver the care that they're
capable of.
And so, you know, thankfully,you know our model.
I mean, one-on-one care is oneof our guarantees and you know,
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one of the things that I meaninevitably, over the, I've been
at fit, uh, seven years.
It seems like every so often,you know, the discussion will be
had of, you know, you knowso-and-so is getting really busy
.
Do we consider, you know, how,do we kind of manipulate their
schedule to allow them to see,uh, more people?
And you know, I mean doingone-on-one care.
Obviously there's only so manyhours in the day and, um,
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fortunately, you know, we alwayskind of stick to our guns and
we say, hey, this is reallyimportant.
Um, you know, and like, we'renot trying to, you know, um
double book or triple book, andso, yeah, I mean, hopefully it
allows us to, you know, um, useour skills to the best of our
ability, whereas, you know, yeah, if you are only spending five
minutes with your patient andthen kind of passing them off to
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somebody else or, you know,just kind of sending them out
the door.
You know, I mean, yeah, it'slike you, it's just it makes it
really tough.
You have to cut corners, youcan't do a thorough assessment
and, you know, I think one ofthe things too going back to
what we were talking aboutearlier is, you know, hopefully,
you know, seeing a consistentprovider each visit and having
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longer appointment times, we'reable to do some tests or do some
audits that will reproduce thatperson's pain or reproduce what
they have going on consistentlyto where we know, with a little
bit more objectivity, thatwe're making improvement versus
like pain is obviously anemotional experience.
People come in, you know,obviously it's a human
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interaction too.
So, like I feel like sometimespatients like you know they're
like, okay, I'm investing thetime and the money to come in,
like I think I am getting betterand hopefully we've done our
due diligence and we're able tosay like hey, remember, you know
, like the last time you've onlybeen forward and, you know, get
to your knees.
Like, hey, you're going all theway down to the floor, I think
you're better too.
Um, you know, and there's kindof things that remove some of
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the emotion of pain and, um, Ithink, so often if you are
overbooked or um, you don't havethat, that benefit of being
able to spend a long time withyour patients.
Like you know you, you don'tnecessarily have the ability to
go.
Hey, you know, remember thatsome of those tests that we did
last time, like, let's do those-again.
And uh you know you're just like, okay, hop on the table, let's
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get started and maybe miss outon that.
So I'm super thankful that wehave the ability to to treat for
as long as we are no-transcript.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But yeah it's.
I look back at it now and Idon't think I could do anything
less than 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I don't.
I would feel very unfair.
I totally agree.
Well, I can tell you from apatient standpoint, that's very
much appreciated because Ialways feel heard and validated.
So I can you know very much Iappreciate that and I think
that's one thing that sets youguys apart from other facilities
.
I also love that you guysappear to be such a good team
and you work together well andyou help each other out.
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What would you say sets youapart from other chiropractic
practices?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think probably that you know, the multidisciplinary
setting is definitely somethingthat makes us unique.
I remember, especially startingout, um, you know, I think
there is kind of a shifthappening in our profession,
particularly in the chiropracticprofession, um, but I remember,
you know, going to severalevents and people would be like
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you work with PTs, like how doesthat work?
Like don't you guys kind ofbutt heads a little bit, and um,
and now we have occupationaltherapists and certified hand
therapists on staff as well.
We're co-located in someorthopedic clinics as well.
We have a couple of facilitiesthat are within youth training
centers, so we have accessibletrainers and you know, so I mean
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the co-management of careextends way beyond, like you
know, oh, somebody's dealingwith back pain, I'm going to see
them.
Or somebody you know hadsomebody who's dealing with back
pain, I'm going to see them.
For somebody you know have asurgery, they're going to see
one of our PTs.
Like it's a really fluid teamaspect that we have.
And and then, yeah, I meanobviously we already kind of
touched on the longerappointment times, like I think
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that's a huge thing that sets usapart.
And then, you know, not onlythat, I mean the idea that
somebody could come in with kneepain and see read or eye or see
one of our PTs and hopefullywe're going to be doing a
similar treatment regardless ofwhat they come in with.
I think is something that'sreally special.
And you know we were onboardingnew team members.
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We go through an eight weektraining program and the hope is
during that eight-week periodthat you know if during
somebody's schooling or some ofthe continuing ed courses that
they've already taken, if theyhaven't had exposure to some of
the services that we offerwithin FIT, that we have the
opportunity to really go throughthose in depth and kind of
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bring everybody up to speedwhere we get consistent care
across all of our clinics.
You know, and I think you knowI mean there's such a demand for
rehab right now, especially in,you know, a highly populated
area like Kansas City, you know,and so there's, you know,
really good clinicians out there.
But you know you get such awide mix of like what the
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experience looks like for thepatient and but you know you get
such a wide mix of like whatthe experience looks like for
the patient and across fit.
You know we hope that,especially you know, with that
initial onboarding experiencethat you know, some of our newer
team members have like,hopefully, you know, we're all
kind of treating the same wayand like we're going to events
like hopefully, you know, peoplelike you know, reed and I are
kind of, you know, like have asimilar touch and, and you know,
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kind of a similar dynamic tothe way that we're going about
patient care.
And you know, I think sometimes, and I mean, there is like
specialization that happens LikeI would say, the more that
we've grown, like you know, wehave people that are really
passionate about like baseballand it's like if I have a
throwing athlete like, yeah, wewant him to see somebody who's
like really experienced withbaseball, um, but still, it's
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like, you know, hopefully all ofus are are, you know, pretty
capable, regardless of what'scoming to the door sure?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
no, I agree, I'm gonna brag on michael a little
bit uh, full-heartedly believewe have some of the best
training, if not the besttraining across the board.
I mean, we spend time it'snormally like three-on-one,
sometimes even one-on-one, whereyou're getting down in the
nitty-gritty details of why thisworks, how this works and how
to do it, how to do it properly,but then also how to approach
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those techniques with patientsand effectively communicate them
.
That's one of the harder ones,but he does a stand-up job doing
that.
I think another key piece is,exactly like you said, we're a
team.
We have 11 clinics now 11clinics Now there is no like
animosity between people.
If I got somebody I thinkMichael needs to go see, I'm
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going to send them up there,Cause I know he's going to do a
dang good job and he's nottrying to steal that patient
from me.
And if he's got somebody that'smoving down South where I'm at,
I know he'll do the same thing.
And the availability to do thatacross Kansas city is not only
just amazing for us, but it'ssuper beneficial and helpful for
patients as well, because theyknow they're going to somebody
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that they can trust.
That's going to help guide themwith our healthcare and then
also with the multidisciplinaryhaving orthos and everything
else.
It's really awesome that we canguide people where they need to
go with caring and lovingpeople.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's awesome.
I can totally see the respectthat you guys have for each
other.
I love that.
I love it.
I also love how you guys are socommunity focused.
I see you doing collaborationswith small places like my Little
Fitness Studio, and biggerplaces as well.
You just jump in wherever andhelp out.
I think that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, I think that's one of the things that kind of
set fit apart even before Reedor I were part of the team the
two owners and then some of theearly team members that came on
board.
You know, I mean especially, youknow, 13 years ago, when Fit
started, the perception ofchiropractic was a little bit
different than what I'd say itis now.
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I mean now there's really reallyuh, and not that there weren't
before, but you know, I meanthere's just a more progressive
mindset for some of the newerclinicians.
Um, and so it's like, okay, wehave to like go out and like
meet people and tell them whythey should come see us and not,
you know, the person across thestreet and you know the only
way you do that is just, youknow, kind of having those
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multiple touch points.
And so, yeah, the communityengagement aspect of what we do
is really important.
Like we always tell our newerproviders that come in, like,
you know, we want you to beinvolved in the kind of niche
communities that you'repassionate about and you have
interest in treating.
And we have people on our teamwho you know their, their
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responsibility is to basicallyhelp facilitate those
relationships and kind ofsupport our team getting
involved in some of thosecommunities, so you know, yeah,
when when you know, when I wasstarting out, it was kind of
like, hey, you know, it's likeyou want to treat, you know
cyclists and runners like youknow.
Yeah, when, when you know, whenI was starting out, it was kind
of like, hey, you know, it'slike you want to treat, you know
cyclists and runners like youknow there's, yeah, like you
know, here's the tent, uh, youknow, go set it up and now,
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fortunately, it's a lot moreorganized.
But I mean we still try to beinvolved and, um, yeah, I mean,
uh, thankfully, uh, the peoplethat come on board, they kind of
are, you know generally, um,you know pretty driven and like
on board they kind of are, youknow generally, um, you know
pretty driven and, like you know, want to kind of make
themselves like the um, thego-to person for whatever you
know their like hobby thatthey're in Um, and so,
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thankfully, we have people thatare in place that you know kind
of can organize that.
Um, it's not as much like workfor the clinicians to set that
up.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to put you on the spot just a
little bit, okay.
So so for someone well, acouple of questions for someone
that is really apprehensiveabout going to a chiropractor.
What would you say to them?
That's not really on the spot,that's an easy one for you guys
to answer Whoever wants toanswer that one.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
What I would say to them is, like Michael's been
stressing, we are a little bitdifferent.
At the end of the day, it's notjust going to be not to shade
on anybody, but it's not goingto be an adjustment and move on.
We're going to dig into theroot cause of this and we're
never going to force you to dosomething you're not comfortable
with.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We have a plethora of techniques.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We will talk you through everything, why we want
to do it, show you everythingthat we want to do, and then the
reality of it is too.
All of us have been throughthis.
We've had everything graspedand needled, cupped you name it.
We've had it done.
So we have that firsthandexperience to be able to
communicate it to you and then,honestly, I feel like we're all
super approachable people at theend of the day.
That's it.
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We're just.
We're people too.
We have our aches and pains andwe'll communicate that with you
, and I mean, at their minimum,give us a chance to let us, you
know, have some fun and let'sfigure this out and let's help
you out in this journey yeah,yeah there.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I always tell patients too, I mean there's,
there's, there's no hill thatI'm gonna like absolutely die on
.
As far as, like you know, know,hey, for you to get better.
Like we have to do this, likeall I'm going to give my
professional recommendation.
I feel, like you know, again,going back to the longer
appointment times, like,fortunately, we have the
opportunity to be able to like,if somebody is apprehensive,
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like we can sit down and have aconversation about, like you
know, if you had a negativeexperience with you know, like I
mean, I would say that probablythe two that we see the most
commonly is people are maybe, um, apprehensive about dry
needling.
They're worried that it may bepainful, um, so you know, yeah,
our point of time is super quick.
Like we don't even have theopportunity to explain that like
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, hey, you know it's, like it'sa little bit uncomfortable if
you're not, you know, afraid ofneedles.
Or like you don't, you know umhave like a, or like you don't,
you know, um have like a.
You know, if you don't pass outwhen you get a shot at the
doctor, like you're probablygoing to be okay, like I think
this is going to help.
And then I always followed up.
Like we don't have to do this,like uh, you know, it's like we
have plenty of other things,like Reed was saying, that we
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can do, that are going to getyou to the finish line with this
um, you know, this is just areally efficient method of
managing your pain anddecreasing muscle tension.
But, like, we have other thingsthat can do that as well.
And then you know, obviously,you know, with chiropractic
specifically, some people havemaybe either had, um, you know,
negative experiences gettingadjusted in the past, um, or
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they just don't like how itfeels, and that's totally fine
too, like um, um, you know.
I feel like this may be anopportunity to kind of explain
some of the the ummisinformation that's out there
with with adjusting um peoplestill, um, you know, may
associate getting adjusted or,um you know, getting, uh,
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manipulation performed.
that it's, you know, this ideaof like bony alignment, and you
know that we're kind of puttingthe spine back in place.
That's not really you know whatwe're trying to accomplish.
We're looking at things morefrom like a joint mobility
standpoint and if there'srelative restriction through
some of these segments and youknow so there are less
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aggressive forms of jointmobilization that we can do, and
we can either do that, you know, assisted, or we can do these
joint mobilizations, like withjust active range of motion
exercises, that are just youknow kind of patient performed.
And so I always tell patientsthat too, like hey, if you don't
like getting your neck adjusted, like you don't have to adjust
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your neck, let's do somethingelse that accomplishes a very
similar goal.
And you know, then if over timeyou're like, hey, I actually
like you know, I, you know,maybe we've had more
appointments and they've kind ofdeveloped some trust with us,
and then maybe we do get to thepoint where we we uh choose to
do that and maybe they'regetting better, and it's like
hey, so you've never even neededto do that, like you got better
(22:45):
anyways.
so again like I I never, youknow kind of put it out there as
like an ultimatum with peoplelike you have to do this or your
pain isn't gonna get better.
Uh, it's like, hey, that'sfantastic, like thanks for
sharing that, let's do somethingdifferent.
And then I still think you'regonna get better with some of
the other stuff that we're doing.
So, um, it's just kind of funny.
I, I mean, we, we hear storiesyou know where.
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Uh, you know people you knoweither, like you know they've
maybe, you know, had a badexperience, squatting or
deadlifting, and then you knowthey've gone to therapy and it's
like they're doing just tons ofsquats and deadlifts, and it's
like man there's other exercisesthat like accomplish similar
goals.
Maybe let's meet people wherethey're at and then you know
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similar with adjusting where youknow it's like if you don't
like being adjusted.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I'm going to, you know, try something different at
first.
So, yeah, yeah, and I don'tknow if all of your patients are
like this, but I know I reallyappreciate it when Reed gives me
stretches and exercises to doon my own.
I don't know if everyone doesthem, but what would you say
would be?
Let's just say, like your, yourgo-to, your number one what
(23:54):
stretch?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
would you or exercise ?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
would you want all of your patients to do, even when
they're not hurting?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh my gosh, I know that's the on the spot question,
I, I, uh, I, I would say, um, Iwould say, if we were to say
this is such a tough one, if wewere to say for any injury, I
would say aerobic exercise isprobably number one.
Doing something that elevatesthe heart rate is going to be
super beneficial for tissuehealing.
If we were to just make like aton of generalizations about
(24:26):
this person's pain, if we startto talk a little bit more like
region specific, um, you know,for the spine, I think, um, gosh
, I mean, it always depends, butyou know, I think, uh, you
can't go wrong with, uh, youknow, like core stabilization
and making sure that at leastlike the like foundational
concepts of core stability are,um, being addressed, and that
pretty much applies, like,regardless of if we're talking
(24:48):
about the neck or low back, youknow, and I think it's important
to distinguish between likestrength versus like stability
and control.
Sometimes those two things getconfused and so, like you know,
we'll see people that are like,just absolutely like beasts in
the gym.
They're, you know, like acompetitive crossfitter, um, or
maybe they do bodybuilding andit's like, you know, yeah, your
(25:11):
core is strong.
It's more so like a like, a likethis idea of stability is more
so, like you know, are youengaging your core efficiently
doing some of these, you know,like exercises in the gym, you
know, and if we can improve someof the efficiencies around that
, like that's, that's awesome.
Um, yeah, I mean, I don't thinkyou can go wrong.
(25:31):
Like, obviously, all the stuffthat we're doing in clinic, um,
you know, and especially ifwe're having multiple touch
points throughout a week, um,you know, it's like that's
enough to kind of accomplish theminimum effective dose for for,
um, you know, if we're doingsome sort of like strengthening
exercise, or or you know whathave you, and then it's like at
home, it's like, man, if you'rejust you know, if you're going,
for maybe you know, having notexercised for a while, like just
(25:54):
getting out and walking, or youknow, hopping on the the uh,
the bike is is probably going togo a long way.
Um, but again, we're making alot of generalizations.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I'll do it this way, the two biggest ones that I
think I end up giving out areactually both kind of McKinsey
in nature, so disc orientedstuff.
I give low back extension, sotrying to work on the mobility
of the low backs, we do so muchflexion we don't really do a lot
of extension, and then eitherchin tucks in the neck or just a
really solid upper trap andlevator stretch.
(26:29):
We're all driving, we're all onour computers, our phones.
You know all that.
If you have kids you're pickingstuff up all day, every day.
I mean, personally I do thoseevery day just to try to stay
mobile enough to do our job,because it kind of beats up on
us too.
So those are probably my bigtwo or three that I like to give
(26:50):
out to people, even withoutdivulging into stuff like, hey,
have you tried these yet?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a fun.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Sorry, I was just going to say I think it's always
kind of a fun debate like thatWe'll have, especially, um,
among some of our like studentsto come and do rotations, or
like among, uh, you know,several of our new hires.
When we're going, when we'retaking them through training,
it's, you know, like you know,we'll kind of discuss things
regionally and so like, whenwe're kind of talking about,
like low back conditions and hipconditions, um, you know,
(27:20):
sometimes we'll pose thatquestion of, like you know, if
you had one exercise to givethat was going to apply to 90 of
the population, who would thatbe?
It's always fun to kind of hearthe answers, because it's kind
of like this, it's like there'sno right answer, like, yeah,
again, the case is like italways depends, but it's fun to
kind of see where people's headsare and like you know where
kind of the like you know, kindof, uh, you know, obviously we
all kind of the like you know,kind of you know, obviously we
(27:40):
all have kind of our own likepersonal biases with like how we
treat and like manageconditions, and so I always
enjoy just like getting otherpeople's perspectives.
And then it's like, okay, well,here's what I think, like you
know, like you can make just asstrong an argument for both
exercises.
So yeah, a lot of ways to goabout rehab.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, yeah and Reed, you had mentioned the physical
aspect of your job.
You guys have to be exhaustedat the end of the day.
Number one because it's hard tobe on all the time and like
just be that people person.
Sometimes you just need to belike whoo, just need a little
time for myself.
But then, adjusting people andshowing them, like Reed, you get
(28:23):
up and down off the floor Idon't know how many times in 30
minutes.
So are you guys just wiped outat the end of the day?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Honestly, yes, I am pretty tired.
I will say this is where havingdifferent types of patients is
fantastic.
You feed off the energy of thepeople that are in that room and
I got some that want to be alittle more low key, you know,
maybe slower music, not as loud.
Then I have ones that come inand they want to have fast paced
music.
(28:53):
We're going to get after this,we're going to get moving with
you and that's awesome.
I really feed off that energy.
We kind of get going and,honestly, for me it's a really
humbling too, because we do haveour aches and pains.
So it kind of reminds you ofwhy you're doing this.
You're helping people to havethe same style of stuff, and
it's also really encouraging tothe patient when you're doing
(29:14):
some of that with them, like hey, I'm trying to stay healthy too
.
So doing all of that stuff doeshelp, gets the blood flowing,
gets the energy going.
So, yes, I am tired, but it's a.
It's a great tire.
It's man, I, we worked hardtoday, my patients busted their
butts.
It's a really good thing.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, and you're going to experience a whole new
level of tired here soon.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes, have your little one, that's no doubt Reed
Sooner rather than later, that'sno doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh, that'll be fun for you guys to watch him, right
?
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I have two little ones, almost two-year-old and a
four-month-old.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, we've been talking a lot and I hear some
really good things and I'mreally pumped.
And then I hear some otherthings about the sleep schedule
and I get a little nervous, notgoing to lie.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I just feel like before kids you know people.
People would be like oh man,are you ready to like it was?
It was like man, like.
Can you make me feel betterabout like what's what's about
to?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
happen.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And of course, like now, I'm like dude, there's like
there.
And of course, like now, I'mlike dude, there's like there's
so like endless amounts of likeawesome things, but everybody
would be like you're never goingto sleep and I'm like what are?
you trying to like, why are youtelling me this?
Like, even if it's true, like,why are you telling me this?
But no, I would say like, asfar as you know, the, the like
you know clinician fatigue andobviously like healthcare in
(30:39):
general, like there's a ton ofburnout out there.
Fortunately, in a rehab settinglike this, I think a lot of the
people that get into doing whatwe do get into it out of their
own personal experiences, likeReid was saying earlier.
So I think with that comes adegree of passion.
Passion and you know, it's likeyou realize that you're doing
(31:01):
something that is, like you know, bigger than yourself.
So it's like obviously there'stons of career paths out there
that you know all are, you know,really lucrative in their own
right.
(31:21):
And it's like, you know, I thinkwe kind of get into this more
for like, less about like, okay,I want to have like a, you know
, like you know a, like a, youknow, like you know a good, uh,
you know career.
But it's like I want to likehelp people, you know, and so
with that it's like, yeah, Imean like you kind of went into
it knowing that you know everyday was going to be like patient
facing and that you were goingto be interacting with a lot of
people, and I think for a lot ofus it was like plus, oh, like
didn't we get into this becausewe want to like meet a lot of
people and we like want todevelop relationships and, like
(31:44):
you know, especially kind ofchoosing more of the, like you
know, chiropractic and physicaltherapy type environment.
It's like you know, you knowthat you're going to have a
little bit longer with yourpatients and that you're going
to be like guiding them throughlifestyle modifications and
exercise modifications.
Like you know, it's not thequick, like like oh yeah, you're
like you're sick, so we'regoing to give you this
medication.
(32:04):
It's like well, no, like youknow, you have back pain.
Let's like talk about that alittle bit, and so I mean yes
it's like you know it'sdifferent than you know, like
you know, maybe a career whereyou work from home or an office
job, or maybe there's a littlebit more like flexibility.
(32:25):
But it's like, I think, youknow, all of us kind of got into
this knowing that that wasgoing to be the case.
And then you know, I think forme I was a few years into
practice when we went throughthe pandemic and you know so
many patients were coming in atthat point and you know, went
from being in this officesetting and even if it was like
you know something where theywere doing a lot of computer
work, you know they were stilllike social with their their,
(32:47):
you know, like cohort of peoplein their office and stuff like
that.
And you know, for a lot ofpeople that was kind of taken
away, where you know they wereworking from home and you know
people would come in and they'dbe like hey, like you're the
only person that I see otherthan you know, my spouse and my
kids.
So like we're, like we're on,you know, like thank goodness
(33:07):
you guys are open.
And I remember at the time beinglike I am so glad that I do
this, you know, and like yeah,that I still, like you know,
obviously weird times for sure,that I still, like you know,
obviously weird times for sure,but, like you know, it was like
man, like I am, I feel reallyfortunate that, like I'm still
able to like come to work,communicate with a ton of people
(33:28):
and, like you know, have kindof this like wide network and,
like Reed said, you, know for alot of these people, it's like
you develop friendships withthem and you get to know them
over a really long period oftime and, like you know, for
some of the people that arearound reading eyes age, you
know, it's like they're havingkids and it's like you get to
kind of be like a part of theirlife for for for a long time,
(33:48):
and so it's like to be able todo that is is, you know, super
cool and so it's.
You know, for me I never reallythought it's like what love this
so much?
Like, even if I have like otherlike, even if you know things
were to change and I were to bedoing something else, it's like,
man, I always like, like we,you know, with some of the the
like mentorship stuff that we do, you know, it's like, even if I
(34:10):
kind of end up like taking onmore of like a teaching role
someday, like I don't want tolike get out of the tutor room,
like I love them.
So, anyways, I just I'm gladthat I, that I do what I do, for
sure.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
That's awesome.
I love your passion.
I love it Both of you.
That's great, and I don't wantto keep you too long, but I do
have one more topic that I'dlike to touch on.
I've heard it said before and Ithis might be an exaggeration
that in medical school, doctorsdo one or two courses in
nutrition, but withchiropractors, you guys have
extensive knowledge when itcomes to nutrition.
(34:45):
Is that accurate and how do youwork that into your sessions?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Um, I don't.
To be honest, I don't feel likewe taught, we touched some on
it, absolutely.
I mean, that is just generallypart of health care.
Um, honestly, I think a lot ofours and like I know you talked
to cameron it ends up being apassion of ours because it is,
yes, let's treat the physicalbody but let's also work on that
side of it as well.
(35:12):
So you find that a lot of usare pretty passionate about
something like that, whether itbe supplementation um, it's
working out the nutrition andstuff that comes with that.
So, like for me personally, Istarted that journey in
chiropractic school.
That just became part of what Iwas doing was learning in
school but then outside of ittoo, trying to educate myself on
(35:32):
what are other ways that youcan help people with this.
So I think that's ultimatelywhere a lot of us really get
into it, and then you can cankind of take it in the world of
supplementation what do you wantto use?
When do we want to use?
Why are we trying to use this?
And fortunately we have areally cool thing, a full script
that allows us to have reallygood supplements too, that I
(35:54):
feel pretty confident educatinga patient about if I feel like
they're meeting symptoms, thatwhere they might want something
like this.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah about if I feel like they're meeting symptoms,
that where they might wantsomething like this.
Yeah, I think like Reed's sayingyou know our profession is so
unique that you know we have thetime to be able to spend it
with people, and you know we'rea lot of times educating people
on, like, how they need tomodify their exercise routine or
how, like, they need to modifytheir workstation ergonomics and
, uh, like I know, a lot oftimes it's like guidance.
(36:24):
I'm like, okay, what is maybethe best, like workout program
that's going to complement whatwe're doing from like a rehab
program?
Um, and so, of course, likenutrition is, is going to be a
part of that.
Um, and I feel like you know,to re Reed's point, like there's
in the formal chiropracticprograms like, yes, we do touch
(36:44):
on it, if I remember correctly,like you know, I mean there's a
lot of the kind of likebackground, like chemistry
courses, but then, like, as faras the actual like nutrition
element, I think there was liketwo specific courses that that
were including the curriculum atCleveland and you, they're
fantastic and like superimportant stuff for us to learn.
(37:05):
But I think you know it's likeit's just kind of a like that's
kind of the starting point andthen, if you want to go on and,
like you know, kind of make thatthe bread and butter of what
you're doing, treatment wise,like I think you need to go on
and get some continuingeducation, but I think more so
it's the time that we spend withpatients that allows us to kind
of like develop that as maybe apart of like what we're
(37:27):
advising patients on doing.
You know, for me personally it'sI I tend to, like you know, I
mean I'll I'll kind of discussgenerally, like what, what I
think.
But you know, then, as far aslike absolute specifics, know
specifics, I want him to be onsomebody that like has the
degree of passion that like Ihave for like exercise and like
(37:47):
dry needling and manual therapy,like I want somebody that has
that degree of passion fornutrition to be the one that's
giving recommendations.
So, like you know, that's wheresomebody like Cam um, who works
with with fit or Shawnee Office, like it's a fantastic resource
because it's like he loves thatstuff and he's going to be able
to do like a lot deeper divesthan I am.
But I mean, I feel like I knowjust enough to be dangerous and
(38:12):
also like there's so there'slike there's so much that's just
like I think, misconstrued inthe nutrition world and
obviously it's super nuanced andso, like I think, misconstrued
in the nutrition world andobviously it's super nuanced.
And so, like I feel, like, assomebody who is just in the like
health and wellness space ingeneral, like I have to be
educated enough to be able tolike, if somebody is kind of
going down a path that maybe isnot going to be the most
(38:34):
effective thing for them, like Iat least can say like hey, you
know, I think you're going toget a little bit more bang for
buck if you may be like you know, instead of like a, like a
really good example and like notto, I guess, go down a rabbit
hole.
But you know, like I think likethe like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Well, I'll bounce off of him real quick.
I think he hits a great point.
I'm not at a point right nowwhere I would be like, hey, this
is.
You need this specific diet,you need to go down to this,
something like that.
But I think we know enough,like you said, to be dangerous
to be at broad strokes.
Not one diet is going to fiteverybody, but ultimately, like
(39:21):
for me, you and I have talkedabout it.
I like to kind of research someof that stuff and then I feel
really comfortable passing thatresearch on to people.
Or hey, this is a really goodresource, this is a really good
podcast.
If you should give this alisten to try to help guide them
to what I what would feel likethe right place with some of
that stuff.
So ultimately I'm just tryingto be a really good resource for
(39:42):
it.
You know, if I've triedsomething personally, then sure
I'll communicate that with them.
Hey, I've done this, this iswhy I did it, this is what I saw
with it.
But I'm just going to try togive them positive reassurance
with things that I'm comfortablewith and then hopefully give
them some really good guidancemoving forward so they can make
the best educated decision,cause that's ultimately what's
going to be best for everyindividual person, versus trying
(40:05):
to slap a label on somethingand say, hey, you're do this.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, the ketogenic diet.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So I was going to say the, uh, the, the ketosis diet,
and I was like that doesn'tsound right.
No, like, obviously, you knowlike reducing the, the amount of
carbs that you're eating, likecan be beneficial, you know, but
I think for some people, like,if that doesn't kind of align
with their goals, like you know,if you're like an endurance
athlete, you're coming to me andyou're like man, I'm trying to,
(40:34):
like you know, shed a fewpounds, thinking about, uh, you
know, taking out carbs, it'slike well, no, like we need
carbs.
Like you know, like, uh, youknow you're using a lot of those
or you're exercising, and soyou know being able to at least
like generally provide guidanceon that stuff I think is uh
important.
But you know, I think, as faras, like you know, um, the
education and like medicalschools and stuff like that, I
(40:54):
think you know it it does getcovered providers just don't
have the time to be able to likereally give concrete advice.
You know to patients, like it'sso complex, it takes so much
time to, like, you know, walksomebody through that.
But I think it's like you know.
You know, I think a lot of youknow like kind of allopaths out
(41:14):
there that are like superpassionate about that stuff and
their own like personal journeywith their own health, but like
they just aren't in a settingthat even would like allow for
them to have those conversationswith their patients.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I love everything thatyou guys are doing.
Everything that you're aboutit's.
You're doing a fabulous job.
Can you tell the listeners howthey can find you and can you
run through the 11 locations?
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
yeah, Well, I'm down in Paola.
We are just a little bit offthe main drag.
I run that clinic.
I currently also have a PTMichael go ahead with where
you're at.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So I'm at our 91st and Metcalf location, kind of
the heart of Overland Park.
We do have three clinics inOverland Park actually, so I'm
kind of like right in the centerof it.
We also have a location down inSouth Opie, our Blue Valley
Clinic.
We have another one that's juston kind of the Opie-Leeward
border of 117th and Nall andShawnee Raymoor, olathe Lee's,
(42:24):
summit, liberty, crossroads,crossroads, thank you.
And then we're just gettingready to open up one in KCK,
near the Legends, that's goingto be co-located inside of one
of the home field facilitieswhich we're really excited about
.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh cool, I just interviewed one of the home
field guys.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
That's so funny.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Oh very cool.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
He was just on last Friday.
Oh, that's so awesome yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
The one is also in a home field, and then mine,
raymoor, and is it just Leawood,are also co-located with Sauna
Orthopedics.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Okay, we do have some of those too.
Mm hmm, mm, hmm.
All right, so give us your,your handle on social and then
your website, so they can findyou that way too.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, fitmjccom is the website, and then, yeah, and
then at fitmjc is our company.
Wide Instagram I am onInstagram.
I generally reshare fits posts.
Uh, that's how.
That's how I do most of mysocial media.
Uh, resharing, I'm not superactive.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Uh, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Michael Michael Allison.
Um, just all all one.
Uh, yeah, kind of long, andthen uh, the O is a zero.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Mine is underscore R Williams underscore I know very
original.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
All right, well, gentlemen, thank you so much for
taking time out of yourschedule to be here.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Thank you so much.
This was a lot of fun.
This is awesome.
It was fun.
Thanks, this is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
This is awesome.
It was fun, thanks.
I always love visiting withindividuals so passionate about
their profession.
It is a contagious energy thatthey carry with them in every
appointment.
I can vouch for that.
You heard them both mentiontheir personal social handles,
(44:18):
but you can find Fit, muscle andJoint at fitmjccom, whether
you're looking for care foryourself, you want to
collaborate with them or just tokeep them in the back of your
mind for future reference.
I think you'll be pleased.
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I appreciate you, thank you.
Hello and welcome to the Spandex and Wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I'm so happy that you're
here.
This podcast is a place forconversations about balancing a
healthy lifestyle and beinghappy more specifically, happy
hour.
Together we'll explore allthings wellness and wine.
I hope you learn a little,laugh a lot and, along the way,
(00:22):
know you're not alone on thisbalanced wellness journey.
Ready to jump in or somethingin your glass that makes you
happy, because it's time forspandex and wine.
Hello and welcome to thespandex and wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I appreciate you listening
today.
Back in 2002, when I decided tomake the move to the fitness
(00:44):
industry, I remember one of myinstructors telling the class
that we should not expect tokeep our clients forever.
In fact, he said, if you'redoing your job right, then they
won't need you past a certaintime.
And while I'm fortunate to havehad many of my clients for
decades thank you ladies I doget that it is helpful to try
different types of services fora well-rounded approach, and
(01:06):
I've done that with mychiropractic care.
I love, love my tried and truedoctor and always will.
But I was seeking anotheroption a while back to help with
a pain that I just couldn't getrid of.
I met Reed Williams with Fit,muscle and Joint this past fall
and have so enjoyed our sessions.
You've heard me say how much Irespect and admire the
profession.
I always learn something newand in our time together I've
(01:30):
been so impressed with theirorganization.
Today I have the honor ofhaving Reed and his colleague,
michael Allison, on the podcast,both young chiropractors with a
true passion for what they do.
I hope you enjoy ourconversation as much as the
three of us did and you'll shareit with a friend.
Here we go.
Well, hello gentlemen, welcometo the show.
(01:50):
Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you, and I understand that both of you are
chiropractors, which I have toldReed so many times how much I
admire chiropractors andphysical therapists.
I think you guys are justamazing and I'm really
interested in how you gotstarted.
Did you always want to be achiropractor?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So I actually started out wanting to do physical
therapy as a career.
I tore my labrum in my shoulderwhen I was going into my
freshman year of high school andended up having to have it
surgically repaired and didseveral months of rehab
afterwards and just reallyenjoyed my experience with the
PT.
(02:31):
They seemed to enjoy what theydid and so as I got deeper into
high school, kind of gettingready for college, I thought
that I would kind of go thephysical therapy route.
Ended up shadowing some otherclinics and it just ended up
that it wasn't kind of the likesports med environment that I
(02:51):
had been in, and so it wasactually my sister who
encouraged that I shadow achiropractor and shadowed a
local chiropractor here and hada really positive experience
doing that and kind of sawmyself potentially kind of
switching gears and going thatroute and so toured uh the uh
(03:11):
Cleveland campus uh Clevelandchiropractic is uh where I did
uh the chiropractic program andum, yeah, decided that I would
go that route and so ironically,um kind of fell into uh a
setting like fit where you knowour physical therapists and our
chiropractors treat verysimilarly.
Um, I always knew that I wantedto be kind of on on the you
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know active care and kind of uh,active rehab side of things as
well, treating athletes and um.
So yeah, it's kind of fungetting to do what I do now,
working alongside some of ourphysical therapists as well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, and how rewarding that people.
You could just help people andhelp people feel better.
That's amazing.
For sure, for sure, yeah, andReed, I know that I've heard
your story but let's tell thelisteners.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So I always knew I wanted to be in medicine of some
capacity and I believe it wasabout my junior year of high
school dealing with my own achesand pains, just like every one
of our therapists.
You see, I did somechiropractic stuff and I was
like man, I really, really likethis, started to dive into it
later into high school, thengetting into college.
That was always my path.
I actually went to Logan aroundSt Louis instead of Cleveland,
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went for something that,ironically, I don't actually do
now.
But, just like Michael said, Iactually found out about Fit Me
Up podcast.
I had a friend good friend thatput me onto it, started to get
into some of more of that activerehab, started talking to one
of our owners and then just kindof fell in love with the place
and honestly got a little bit ofluck going in there too and, as
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they say, the rest is kind ofhistory little bit of luck going
in there too, and, as they say,the rest is kind of history.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, Well, and one of the things that I love
about you guys but also you knowevery chiropractor that I've
been to before I just learned somuch and I love how you guys
like to get to the root cause.
You're not going to just givesomebody a pill or this or that.
You want to figure out what'sgoing on in their body and truly
help them heal.
So speak to that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I think I mean you know both, both chiropractic
and physical therapy are kindof a choose your own, choose
your own adventure profession,and you know.
So I think what makes us uniqueis, you know, we're one-on-one
and you know, treating a widevariety of injuries.
It's not like we just treatpost-surgical patients and then
on the chiropractic side ofthings, you know, it's not just
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spine related injuries.
I mean, we treat extremitiesand you know a lot of overuse
injuries that come in, and so,yeah, it's really important to
identify, you know, what'scausing your pain, what's going
to be the most efficient painmanagement strategy.
And then you know what doesthis look like as far as you
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know, building some resilienceand, you know, hopefully,
keeping stuff like this at bayin the future.
And you know, I think you knowin the past it was kind of PT
was known for, you know, okay,coming with low back pain.
Here's, you know, a list of 20exercises that we do for cord
hip stability.
And then on the chiropracticside it was, oh, you're coming
in with low back pain.
You know, let's adjust you upand send you on your way.
It's like pain is just so muchmore complex.
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Like us is like, I mean, youknow, like people in the active
population like we, just youknow like injuries are really
nuanced, and so I think for usit's really fun because it's
like man, okay, like you know,you've really been struggling to
run or you've been strugglingto ride your bike, like let's
figure out, like you know, whatled up to that and how are we
going to get you back to doingthat as efficiently as possible
(06:32):
and, um, you know, kind of help,like you know, empower patients
to feel like they have a littlebit of control as well.
I feel like, traditionally,people come into maybe a medical
setting and they're like, hey,like just make me better, make
me better.
And it's like, hey, we're goingto be a team in this and, like
you know, like I obviously playan important role, but like you,
as a patient, play an importantrole too, and um, so yeah, yeah
(06:54):
, to kind of add to that, youkind of went down the path that
I was going to say is ultimately, I think, with us is finding
the root cause.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
The idea is, we're in this as a team and ultimately,
too many times with any kind ofmedicine, it's just here, let's
throw this at it, let's stickand see if it works, instead of
kind of joining forces togetherand going, hey, we're going to
buckle up for a minute.
We got to be in this togetherand that goal ultimately just
gets you out of pain but alsoteach you ways that you can stay
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out of pain, cause we don'twant to sit here at this
revolving door and have low backpain every other year.
We're dealing with this and youcan't go hang out with your
kids, throw the baseball,whatever it may be.
So ultimately, that is reallywhy we all do this is to try to
get you out of pain, but theygive you some fixes too.
And then, fortunately for us,we also meet some really cool
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people along the way.
You get to be a part of theirhealth journey, but then also
even like friends with them.
It's a super, super fun andrewarding experience.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And one of the things that Iwas really impressed with at Fit
, muscle and Joint that I feelis different than some of the
traditional chiropractors, isthat you guys spend ample time
with every patient.
In fact, my first visit weprobably went over an hour
because we were probably talkingso much.
But it was scheduled for anhour and then half hours after
that.
(08:10):
You know, it's not just thefive minutes in and out.
So, like I said, you taught meso many things, so I so
appreciate that.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, I always tell patients too, you know, I mean,
you can be seeing the absolute,you know, best provider in
really any medical setting.
They may just not have thecapacity to be able to spend the
time with you that they need todeliver the care that they're
capable of.
And so, you know, thankfully,you know our model.
I mean, one-on-one care is oneof our guarantees and you know,
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one of the things that I meaninevitably, over the, I've been
at fit, uh, seven years.
It seems like every so often,you know, the discussion will be
had of, you know, you knowso-and-so is getting really busy
.
Do we consider, you know, how,do we kind of manipulate their
schedule to allow them to see,uh, more people?
And you know, I mean doingone-on-one care.
Obviously there's only so manyhours in the day and, um,
(09:02):
fortunately, you know, we alwayskind of stick to our guns and
we say, hey, this is reallyimportant.
Um, you know, and like, we'renot trying to, you know, um
double book or triple book, andso, yeah, I mean, hopefully it
allows us to, you know, um, useour skills to the best of our
ability, whereas, you know, yeah, if you are only spending five
minutes with your patient andthen kind of passing them off to
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somebody else or, you know,just kind of sending them out
the door.
You know, I mean, yeah, it'slike you, it's just it makes it
really tough.
You have to cut corners, youcan't do a thorough assessment
and, you know, I think one ofthe things too going back to
what we were talking aboutearlier is, you know, hopefully,
you know, seeing a consistentprovider each visit and having
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longer appointment times, we'reable to do some tests or do some
audits that will reproduce thatperson's pain or reproduce what
they have going on consistentlyto where we know, with a little
bit more objectivity, thatwe're making improvement versus
like pain is obviously anemotional experience.
People come in, you know,obviously it's a human
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interaction too.
So, like I feel like sometimespatients like you know they're
like, okay, I'm investing thetime and the money to come in,
like I think I am getting betterand hopefully we've done our
due diligence and we're able tosay like hey, remember, you know
, like the last time you've onlybeen forward and, you know, get
to your knees.
Like, hey, you're going all theway down to the floor, I think
you're better too.
Um, you know, and there's kindof things that remove some of
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the emotion of pain and, um, Ithink, so often if you are
overbooked or um, you don't havethat, that benefit of being
able to spend a long time withyour patients.
Like you know you, you don'tnecessarily have the ability to
go.
Hey, you know, remember thatsome of those tests that we did
last time, like, let's do those-again.
And uh you know you're just like, okay, hop on the table, let's
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get started and maybe miss outon that.
So I'm super thankful that wehave the ability to to treat for
as long as we are no-transcript.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But yeah it's.
I look back at it now and Idon't think I could do anything
less than 30 minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I don't.
I would feel very unfair.
I totally agree.
Well, I can tell you from apatient standpoint, that's very
much appreciated because Ialways feel heard and validated.
So I can you know very much Iappreciate that and I think
that's one thing that sets youguys apart from other facilities
.
I also love that you guysappear to be such a good team
and you work together well andyou help each other out.
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What would you say sets youapart from other chiropractic
practices?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think probably that you know, the multidisciplinary
setting is definitely somethingthat makes us unique.
I remember, especially startingout, um, you know, I think
there is kind of a shifthappening in our profession,
particularly in the chiropracticprofession, um, but I remember,
you know, going to severalevents and people would be like
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you work with PTs, like how doesthat work?
Like don't you guys kind ofbutt heads a little bit, and um,
and now we have occupationaltherapists and certified hand
therapists on staff as well.
We're co-located in someorthopedic clinics as well.
We have a couple of facilitiesthat are within youth training
centers, so we have accessibletrainers and you know, so I mean
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the co-management of careextends way beyond, like you
know, oh, somebody's dealingwith back pain, I'm going to see
them.
Or somebody you know hadsomebody who's dealing with back
pain, I'm going to see them.
For somebody you know have asurgery, they're going to see
one of our PTs.
Like it's a really fluid teamaspect that we have.
And and then, yeah, I meanobviously we already kind of
touched on the longerappointment times, like I think
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that's a huge thing that sets usapart.
And then, you know, not onlythat, I mean the idea that
somebody could come in with kneepain and see read or eye or see
one of our PTs and hopefullywe're going to be doing a
similar treatment regardless ofwhat they come in with.
I think is something that'sreally special.
And you know we were onboardingnew team members.
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We go through an eight weektraining program and the hope is
during that eight-week periodthat you know if during
somebody's schooling or some ofthe continuing ed courses that
they've already taken, if theyhaven't had exposure to some of
the services that we offerwithin FIT, that we have the
opportunity to really go throughthose in depth and kind of
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bring everybody up to speedwhere we get consistent care
across all of our clinics.
You know, and I think you knowI mean there's such a demand for
rehab right now, especially in,you know, a highly populated
area like Kansas City, you know,and so there's, you know,
really good clinicians out there.
But you know you get such awide mix of like what the
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experience looks like for thepatient and but you know you get
such a wide mix of like whatthe experience looks like for
the patient and across fit.
You know we hope that,especially you know, with that
initial onboarding experiencethat you know, some of our newer
team members have like,hopefully, you know, we're all
kind of treating the same wayand like we're going to events
like hopefully, you know, peoplelike you know, reed and I are
kind of, you know, like have asimilar touch and, and you know,
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kind of a similar dynamic tothe way that we're going about
patient care.
And you know, I think sometimes, and I mean, there is like
specialization that happens LikeI would say, the more that
we've grown, like you know, wehave people that are really
passionate about like baseballand it's like if I have a
throwing athlete like, yeah, wewant him to see somebody who's
like really experienced withbaseball, um, but still, it's
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like, you know, hopefully all ofus are are, you know, pretty
capable, regardless of what'scoming to the door sure?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
no, I agree, I'm gonna brag on michael a little
bit uh, full-heartedly believewe have some of the best
training, if not the besttraining across the board.
I mean, we spend time it'snormally like three-on-one,
sometimes even one-on-one, whereyou're getting down in the
nitty-gritty details of why thisworks, how this works and how
to do it, how to do it properly,but then also how to approach
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those techniques with patientsand effectively communicate them
.
That's one of the harder ones,but he does a stand-up job doing
that.
I think another key piece is,exactly like you said, we're a
team.
We have 11 clinics now 11clinics Now there is no like
animosity between people.
If I got somebody I thinkMichael needs to go see, I'm
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going to send them up there,Cause I know he's going to do a
dang good job and he's nottrying to steal that patient
from me.
And if he's got somebody that'smoving down South where I'm at,
I know he'll do the same thing.
And the availability to do thatacross Kansas city is not only
just amazing for us, but it'ssuper beneficial and helpful for
patients as well, because theyknow they're going to somebody
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that they can trust.
That's going to help guide themwith our healthcare and then
also with the multidisciplinaryhaving orthos and everything
else.
It's really awesome that we canguide people where they need to
go with caring and lovingpeople.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's awesome.
I can totally see the respectthat you guys have for each
other.
I love that.
I love it.
I also love how you guys are socommunity focused.
I see you doing collaborationswith small places like my Little
Fitness Studio, and biggerplaces as well.
You just jump in wherever andhelp out.
I think that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, I think that's one of the things that kind of
set fit apart even before Reedor I were part of the team the
two owners and then some of theearly team members that came on
board.
You know, I mean especially, youknow, 13 years ago, when Fit
started, the perception ofchiropractic was a little bit
different than what I'd say itis now.
(17:09):
I mean now there's really reallyuh, and not that there weren't
before, but you know, I meanthere's just a more progressive
mindset for some of the newerclinicians.
Um, and so it's like, okay, wehave to like go out and like
meet people and tell them whythey should come see us and not,
you know, the person across thestreet and you know the only
way you do that is just, youknow, kind of having those
(17:30):
multiple touch points.
And so, yeah, the communityengagement aspect of what we do
is really important.
Like we always tell our newerproviders that come in, like,
you know, we want you to beinvolved in the kind of niche
communities that you'repassionate about and you have
interest in treating.
And we have people on our teamwho you know their, their
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responsibility is to basicallyhelp facilitate those
relationships and kind ofsupport our team getting
involved in some of thosecommunities, so you know, yeah,
when when you know, when I wasstarting out, it was kind of
like, hey, you know, it's likeyou want to treat, you know
cyclists and runners like youknow.
Yeah, when, when you know, whenI was starting out, it was kind
of like, hey, you know, it'slike you want to treat, you know
cyclists and runners like youknow there's, yeah, like you
know, here's the tent, uh, youknow, go set it up and now,
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fortunately, it's a lot moreorganized.
But I mean we still try to beinvolved and, um, yeah, I mean,
uh, thankfully, uh, the peoplethat come on board, they kind of
are, you know generally, um,you know pretty driven and like
on board they kind of are, youknow generally, um, you know
pretty driven and, like you know, want to kind of make
themselves like the um, thego-to person for whatever you
know their like hobby thatthey're in Um, and so,
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thankfully, we have people thatare in place that you know kind
of can organize that.
Um, it's not as much like workfor the clinicians to set that
up.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to put you on the spot just a
little bit, okay.
So so for someone well, acouple of questions for someone
that is really apprehensiveabout going to a chiropractor.
What would you say to them?
That's not really on the spot,that's an easy one for you guys
to answer Whoever wants toanswer that one.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
What I would say to them is, like Michael's been
stressing, we are a little bitdifferent.
At the end of the day, it's notjust going to be not to shade
on anybody, but it's not goingto be an adjustment and move on.
We're going to dig into theroot cause of this and we're
never going to force you to dosomething you're not comfortable
with.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We have a plethora of techniques.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We will talk you through everything, why we want
to do it, show you everythingthat we want to do, and then the
reality of it is too.
All of us have been throughthis.
We've had everything graspedand needled, cupped you name it.
We've had it done.
So we have that firsthandexperience to be able to
communicate it to you and then,honestly, I feel like we're all
super approachable people at theend of the day.
That's it.
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We're just.
We're people too.
We have our aches and pains andwe'll communicate that with you
, and I mean, at their minimum,give us a chance to let us, you
know, have some fun and let'sfigure this out and let's help
you out in this journey yeah,yeah there.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I always tell patients too, I mean there's,
there's, there's no hill thatI'm gonna like absolutely die on
.
As far as, like you know, know,hey, for you to get better.
Like we have to do this, likeall I'm going to give my
professional recommendation.
I feel, like you know, again,going back to the longer
appointment times, like,fortunately, we have the
opportunity to be able to like,if somebody is apprehensive,
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like we can sit down and have aconversation about, like you
know, if you had a negativeexperience with you know, like I
mean, I would say that probablythe two that we see the most
commonly is people are maybe, um, apprehensive about dry
needling.
They're worried that it may bepainful, um, so you know, yeah,
our point of time is super quick.
Like we don't even have theopportunity to explain that like
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, hey, you know it's, like it'sa little bit uncomfortable if
you're not, you know, afraid ofneedles.
Or like you don't, you know umhave like a, or like you don't,
you know, um have like a.
You know, if you don't pass outwhen you get a shot at the
doctor, like you're probablygoing to be okay, like I think
this is going to help.
And then I always followed up.
Like we don't have to do this,like uh, you know, it's like we
have plenty of other things,like Reed was saying, that we
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can do, that are going to getyou to the finish line with this
um, you know, this is just areally efficient method of
managing your pain anddecreasing muscle tension.
But, like, we have other thingsthat can do that as well.
And then you know, obviously,you know, with chiropractic
specifically, some people havemaybe either had, um, you know,
negative experiences gettingadjusted in the past, um, or
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they just don't like how itfeels, and that's totally fine
too, like um, um, you know.
I feel like this may be anopportunity to kind of explain
some of the the ummisinformation that's out there
with with adjusting um peoplestill, um, you know, may
associate getting adjusted or,um you know, getting, uh,
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manipulation performed.
that it's, you know, this ideaof like bony alignment, and you
know that we're kind of puttingthe spine back in place.
That's not really you know whatwe're trying to accomplish.
We're looking at things morefrom like a joint mobility
standpoint and if there'srelative restriction through
some of these segments and youknow so there are less
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aggressive forms of jointmobilization that we can do, and
we can either do that, you know, assisted, or we can do these
joint mobilizations, like withjust active range of motion
exercises, that are just youknow kind of patient performed.
And so I always tell patientsthat too, like hey, if you don't
like getting your neck adjusted, like you don't have to adjust
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your neck, let's do somethingelse that accomplishes a very
similar goal.
And you know, then if over timeyou're like, hey, I actually
like you know, I, you know,maybe we've had more
appointments and they've kind ofdeveloped some trust with us,
and then maybe we do get to thepoint where we we uh choose to
do that and maybe they'regetting better, and it's like
hey, so you've never even neededto do that, like you got better
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anyways.
so again like I I never, youknow kind of put it out there as
like an ultimatum with peoplelike you have to do this or your
pain isn't gonna get better.
Uh, it's like, hey, that'sfantastic, like thanks for
sharing that, let's do somethingdifferent.
And then I still think you'regonna get better with some of
the other stuff that we're doing.
So, um, it's just kind of funny.
I, I mean, we, we hear storiesyou know where.
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Uh, you know people you knoweither, like you know they've
maybe, you know, had a badexperience, squatting or
deadlifting, and then you knowthey've gone to therapy and it's
like they're doing just tons ofsquats and deadlifts, and it's
like man there's other exercisesthat like accomplish similar
goals.
Maybe let's meet people wherethey're at and then you know
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similar with adjusting where youknow it's like if you don't
like being adjusted.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I'm going to, you know, try something different at
first.
So, yeah, yeah, and I don'tknow if all of your patients are
like this, but I know I reallyappreciate it when Reed gives me
stretches and exercises to doon my own.
I don't know if everyone doesthem, but what would you say
would be?
Let's just say, like your, yourgo-to, your number one what
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stretch?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
would you or exercise ?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
would you want all of your patients to do, even when
they're not hurting?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh my gosh, I know that's the on the spot question,
I, I, uh, I, I would say, um, Iwould say, if we were to say
this is such a tough one, if wewere to say for any injury, I
would say aerobic exercise isprobably number one.
Doing something that elevatesthe heart rate is going to be
super beneficial for tissuehealing.
If we were to just make like aton of generalizations about
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this person's pain, if we startto talk a little bit more like
region specific, um, you know,for the spine, I think, um, gosh
, I mean, it always depends, butyou know, I think, uh, you
can't go wrong with, uh, youknow, like core stabilization
and making sure that at leastlike the like foundational
concepts of core stability are,um, being addressed, and that
pretty much applies, like,regardless of if we're talking
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about the neck or low back, youknow, and I think it's important
to distinguish between likestrength versus like stability
and control.
Sometimes those two things getconfused and so, like you know,
we'll see people that are like,just absolutely like beasts in
the gym.
They're, you know, like acompetitive crossfitter, um, or
maybe they do bodybuilding andit's like, you know, yeah, your
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core is strong.
It's more so like a like, a likethis idea of stability is more
so, like you know, are youengaging your core efficiently
doing some of these, you know,like exercises in the gym, you
know, and if we can improve someof the efficiencies around that
, like that's, that's awesome.
Um, yeah, I mean, I don't thinkyou can go wrong.
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Like, obviously, all the stuffthat we're doing in clinic, um,
you know, and especially ifwe're having multiple touch
points throughout a week, um,you know, it's like that's
enough to kind of accomplish theminimum effective dose for for,
um, you know, if we're doingsome sort of like strengthening
exercise, or or you know whathave you, and then it's like at
home, it's like, man, if you'rejust you know, if you're going,
for maybe you know, having notexercised for a while, like just
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getting out and walking, or youknow, hopping on the the uh,
the bike is is probably going togo a long way.
Um, but again, we're making alot of generalizations.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I'll do it this way, the two biggest ones that I
think I end up giving out areactually both kind of McKinsey
in nature, so disc orientedstuff.
I give low back extension, sotrying to work on the mobility
of the low backs, we do so muchflexion we don't really do a lot
of extension, and then eitherchin tucks in the neck or just a
really solid upper trap andlevator stretch.
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We're all driving, we're all onour computers, our phones.
You know all that.
If you have kids you're pickingstuff up all day, every day.
I mean, personally I do thoseevery day just to try to stay
mobile enough to do our job,because it kind of beats up on
us too.
So those are probably my bigtwo or three that I like to give
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out to people, even withoutdivulging into stuff like, hey,
have you tried these yet?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a fun.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Sorry, I was just going to say I think it's always
kind of a fun debate like thatWe'll have, especially, um,
among some of our like studentsto come and do rotations, or
like among, uh, you know,several of our new hires.
When we're going, when we'retaking them through training,
it's, you know, like you know,we'll kind of discuss things
regionally and so like, whenwe're kind of talking about,
like low back conditions and hipconditions, um, you know,
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sometimes we'll pose thatquestion of, like you know, if
you had one exercise to givethat was going to apply to 90 of
the population, who would thatbe?
It's always fun to kind of hearthe answers, because it's kind
of like this, it's like there'sno right answer, like, yeah,
again, the case is like italways depends, but it's fun to
kind of see where people's headsare and like you know where
kind of the like you know, kindof, uh, you know, obviously we
all kind of the like you know,kind of you know, obviously we
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all have kind of our own likepersonal biases with like how we
treat and like manageconditions, and so I always
enjoy just like getting otherpeople's perspectives.
And then it's like, okay, well,here's what I think, like you
know, like you can make just asstrong an argument for both
exercises.
So yeah, a lot of ways to goabout rehab.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, yeah and Reed, you had mentioned the physical
aspect of your job.
You guys have to be exhaustedat the end of the day.
Number one because it's hard tobe on all the time and like
just be that people person.
Sometimes you just need to belike whoo, just need a little
time for myself.
But then, adjusting people andshowing them, like Reed, you get
(28:23):
up and down off the floor Idon't know how many times in 30
minutes.
So are you guys just wiped outat the end of the day?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Honestly, yes, I am pretty tired.
I will say this is where havingdifferent types of patients is
fantastic.
You feed off the energy of thepeople that are in that room and
I got some that want to be alittle more low key, you know,
maybe slower music, not as loud.
Then I have ones that come inand they want to have fast paced
music.
(28:53):
We're going to get after this,we're going to get moving with
you and that's awesome.
I really feed off that energy.
We kind of get going and,honestly, for me it's a really
humbling too, because we do haveour aches and pains.
So it kind of reminds you ofwhy you're doing this.
You're helping people to havethe same style of stuff, and
it's also really encouraging tothe patient when you're doing
(29:14):
some of that with them, like hey, I'm trying to stay healthy too
.
So doing all of that stuff doeshelp, gets the blood flowing,
gets the energy going.
So, yes, I am tired, but it's a.
It's a great tire.
It's man, I, we worked hardtoday, my patients busted their
butts.
It's a really good thing.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, and you're going to experience a whole new
level of tired here soon.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes, have your little one, that's no doubt Reed
Sooner rather than later, that'sno doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh, that'll be fun for you guys to watch him, right
?
Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I have two little ones, almost two-year-old and a
four-month-old.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, we've been talking a lot and I hear some
really good things and I'mreally pumped.
And then I hear some otherthings about the sleep schedule
and I get a little nervous, notgoing to lie.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I just feel like before kids you know people.
People would be like oh man,are you ready to like it was?
It was like man, like.
Can you make me feel betterabout like what's what's about
to?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
happen.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And of course, like now, I'm like dude, there's like
there.
And of course, like now, I'mlike dude, there's like there's
so like endless amounts of likeawesome things, but everybody
would be like you're never goingto sleep and I'm like what are?
you trying to like, why are youtelling me this?
Like, even if it's true, like,why are you telling me this?
But no, I would say like, asfar as you know, the, the like
you know clinician fatigue andobviously like healthcare in
(30:39):
general, like there's a ton ofburnout out there.
Fortunately, in a rehab settinglike this, I think a lot of the
people that get into doing whatwe do get into it out of their
own personal experiences, likeReid was saying earlier.
So I think with that comes adegree of passion.
Passion and you know, it's likeyou realize that you're doing
(31:01):
something that is, like you know, bigger than yourself.
So it's like obviously there'stons of career paths out there
that you know all are, you know,really lucrative in their own
right.
(31:21):
And it's like, you know, I thinkwe kind of get into this more
for like, less about like, okay,I want to have like a, you know
, like you know a, like a, youknow, like you know a good, uh,
you know career.
But it's like I want to likehelp people, you know, and so
with that it's like, yeah, Imean like you kind of went into
it knowing that you know everyday was going to be like patient
facing and that you were goingto be interacting with a lot of
people, and I think for a lot ofus it was like plus, oh, like
didn't we get into this becausewe want to like meet a lot of
people and we like want todevelop relationships and, like
(31:44):
you know, especially kind ofchoosing more of the, like you
know, chiropractic and physicaltherapy type environment.
It's like you know, you knowthat you're going to have a
little bit longer with yourpatients and that you're going
to be like guiding them throughlifestyle modifications and
exercise modifications.
Like you know, it's not thequick, like like oh yeah, you're
like you're sick, so we'regoing to give you this
medication.
(32:04):
It's like well, no, like youknow, you have back pain.
Let's like talk about that alittle bit, and so I mean yes
it's like you know it'sdifferent than you know, like
you know, maybe a career whereyou work from home or an office
job, or maybe there's a littlebit more like flexibility.
(32:25):
But it's like, I think, youknow, all of us kind of got into
this knowing that that wasgoing to be the case.
And then you know, I think forme I was a few years into
practice when we went throughthe pandemic and you know so
many patients were coming in atthat point and you know, went
from being in this officesetting and even if it was like
you know something where theywere doing a lot of computer
work, you know they were stilllike social with their their,
(32:47):
you know, like cohort of peoplein their office and stuff like
that.
And you know, for a lot ofpeople that was kind of taken
away, where you know they wereworking from home and you know
people would come in and they'dbe like hey, like you're the
only person that I see otherthan you know, my spouse and my
kids.
So like we're, like we're on,you know, like thank goodness
(33:07):
you guys are open.
And I remember at the time beinglike I am so glad that I do
this, you know, and like yeah,that I still, like you know,
obviously weird times for sure,that I still, like you know,
obviously weird times for sure,but, like you know, it was like
man, like I am, I feel reallyfortunate that, like I'm still
able to like come to work,communicate with a ton of people
(33:28):
and, like you know, have kindof this like wide network and,
like Reed said, you, know for alot of these people, it's like
you develop friendships withthem and you get to know them
over a really long period oftime and, like you know, for
some of the people that arearound reading eyes age, you
know, it's like they're havingkids and it's like you get to
kind of be like a part of theirlife for for for a long time,
(33:48):
and so it's like to be able todo that is is, you know, super
cool and so it's.
You know, for me I never reallythought it's like what love this
so much?
Like, even if I have like otherlike, even if you know things
were to change and I were to bedoing something else, it's like,
man, I always like, like we,you know, with some of the the
like mentorship stuff that we do, you know, it's like, even if I
(34:10):
kind of end up like taking onmore of like a teaching role
someday, like I don't want tolike get out of the tutor room,
like I love them.
So, anyways, I just I'm gladthat I, that I do what I do, for
sure.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
That's awesome.
I love your passion.
I love it Both of you.
That's great, and I don't wantto keep you too long, but I do
have one more topic that I'dlike to touch on.
I've heard it said before and Ithis might be an exaggeration
that in medical school, doctorsdo one or two courses in
nutrition, but withchiropractors, you guys have
extensive knowledge when itcomes to nutrition.
(34:45):
Is that accurate and how do youwork that into your sessions?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Um, I don't.
To be honest, I don't feel likewe taught, we touched some on
it, absolutely.
I mean, that is just generallypart of health care.
Um, honestly, I think a lot ofours and like I know you talked
to cameron it ends up being apassion of ours because it is,
yes, let's treat the physicalbody but let's also work on that
side of it as well.
(35:12):
So you find that a lot of usare pretty passionate about
something like that, whether itbe supplementation um, it's
working out the nutrition andstuff that comes with that.
So, like for me personally, Istarted that journey in
chiropractic school.
That just became part of what Iwas doing was learning in
school but then outside of ittoo, trying to educate myself on
(35:32):
what are other ways that youcan help people with this.
So I think that's ultimatelywhere a lot of us really get
into it, and then you can cankind of take it in the world of
supplementation what do you wantto use?
When do we want to use?
Why are we trying to use this?
And fortunately we have areally cool thing, a full script
that allows us to have reallygood supplements too, that I
(35:54):
feel pretty confident educatinga patient about if I feel like
they're meeting symptoms, thatwhere they might want something
like this.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah about if I feel like they're meeting symptoms,
that where they might wantsomething like this.
Yeah, I think like Reed's sayingyou know our profession is so
unique that you know we have thetime to be able to spend it
with people, and you know we'rea lot of times educating people
on, like, how they need tomodify their exercise routine or
how, like, they need to modifytheir workstation ergonomics and
, uh, like I know, a lot oftimes it's like guidance.
(36:24):
I'm like, okay, what is maybethe best, like workout program
that's going to complement whatwe're doing from like a rehab
program?
Um, and so, of course, likenutrition is, is going to be a
part of that.
Um, and I feel like you know,to re Reed's point, like there's
in the formal chiropracticprograms like, yes, we do touch
(36:44):
on it, if I remember correctly,like you know, I mean there's a
lot of the kind of likebackground, like chemistry
courses, but then, like, as faras the actual like nutrition
element, I think there was liketwo specific courses that that
were including the curriculum atCleveland and you, they're
fantastic and like superimportant stuff for us to learn.
(37:05):
But I think you know it's likeit's just kind of a like that's
kind of the starting point andthen, if you want to go on and,
like you know, kind of make thatthe bread and butter of what
you're doing, treatment wise,like I think you need to go on
and get some continuingeducation, but I think more so
it's the time that we spend withpatients that allows us to kind
of like develop that as maybe apart of like what we're
(37:27):
advising patients on doing.
You know, for me personally it'sI I tend to, like you know, I
mean I'll I'll kind of discussgenerally, like what, what I
think.
But you know, then, as far aslike absolute specifics, know
specifics, I want him to be onsomebody that like has the
degree of passion that like Ihave for like exercise and like
(37:47):
dry needling and manual therapy,like I want somebody that has
that degree of passion fornutrition to be the one that's
giving recommendations.
So, like you know, that's wheresomebody like Cam um, who works
with with fit or Shawnee Office, like it's a fantastic resource
because it's like he loves thatstuff and he's going to be able
to do like a lot deeper divesthan I am.
But I mean, I feel like I knowjust enough to be dangerous and
(38:12):
also like there's so there'slike there's so much that's just
like I think, misconstrued inthe nutrition world and
obviously it's super nuanced andso, like I think, misconstrued
in the nutrition world andobviously it's super nuanced.
And so, like I feel, like, assomebody who is just in the like
health and wellness space ingeneral, like I have to be
educated enough to be able tolike, if somebody is kind of
going down a path that maybe isnot going to be the most
(38:34):
effective thing for them, like Iat least can say like hey, you
know, I think you're going toget a little bit more bang for
buck if you may be like you know, instead of like a, like a
really good example and like notto, I guess, go down a rabbit
hole.
But you know, like I think likethe like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Well, I'll bounce off of him real quick.
I think he hits a great point.
I'm not at a point right nowwhere I would be like, hey, this
is.
You need this specific diet,you need to go down to this,
something like that.
But I think we know enough,like you said, to be dangerous
to be at broad strokes.
Not one diet is going to fiteverybody, but ultimately, like
(39:21):
for me, you and I have talkedabout it.
I like to kind of research someof that stuff and then I feel
really comfortable passing thatresearch on to people.
Or hey, this is a really goodresource, this is a really good
podcast.
If you should give this alisten to try to help guide them
to what I what would feel likethe right place with some of
that stuff.
So ultimately I'm just tryingto be a really good resource for
(39:42):
it.
You know, if I've triedsomething personally, then sure
I'll communicate that with them.
Hey, I've done this, this iswhy I did it, this is what I saw
with it.
But I'm just going to try togive them positive reassurance
with things that I'm comfortablewith and then hopefully give
them some really good guidancemoving forward so they can make
the best educated decision,cause that's ultimately what's
going to be best for everyindividual person, versus trying
(40:05):
to slap a label on somethingand say, hey, you're do this.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, yeah, the ketogenic diet.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So I was going to say the, uh, the, the ketosis diet,
and I was like that doesn'tsound right.
No, like, obviously, you knowlike reducing the, the amount of
carbs that you're eating, likecan be beneficial, you know, but
I think for some people, like,if that doesn't kind of align
with their goals, like you know,if you're like an endurance
athlete, you're coming to me andyou're like man, I'm trying to,
(40:34):
like you know, shed a fewpounds, thinking about, uh, you
know, taking out carbs, it'slike well, no, like we need
carbs.
Like you know, like, uh, youknow you're using a lot of those
or you're exercising, and soyou know being able to at least
like generally provide guidanceon that stuff I think is uh
important.
But you know, I think, as faras, like you know, um, the
education and like medicalschools and stuff like that, I
(40:54):
think you know it it does getcovered providers just don't
have the time to be able to likereally give concrete advice.
You know to patients, like it'sso complex, it takes so much
time to, like, you know, walksomebody through that.
But I think it's like you know.
You know, I think a lot of youknow like kind of allopaths out
(41:14):
there that are like superpassionate about that stuff and
their own like personal journeywith their own health, but like
they just aren't in a settingthat even would like allow for
them to have those conversationswith their patients.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I love everything thatyou guys are doing.
Everything that you're aboutit's.
You're doing a fabulous job.
Can you tell the listeners howthey can find you and can you
run through the 11 locations?
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
yeah, Well, I'm down in Paola.
We are just a little bit offthe main drag.
I run that clinic.
I currently also have a PTMichael go ahead with where
you're at.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
So I'm at our 91st and Metcalf location, kind of
the heart of Overland Park.
We do have three clinics inOverland Park actually, so I'm
kind of like right in the centerof it.
We also have a location down inSouth Opie, our Blue Valley
Clinic.
We have another one that's juston kind of the Opie-Leeward
border of 117th and Nall andShawnee Raymoor, olathe Lee's,
(42:24):
summit, liberty, crossroads,crossroads, thank you.
And then we're just gettingready to open up one in KCK,
near the Legends, that's goingto be co-located inside of one
of the home field facilitieswhich we're really excited about
.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh cool, I just interviewed one of the home
field guys.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
That's so funny.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Oh very cool.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
He was just on last Friday.
Oh, that's so awesome yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
The one is also in a home field, and then mine,
raymoor, and is it just Leawood,are also co-located with Sauna
Orthopedics.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Okay, we do have some of those too.
Mm hmm, mm, hmm.
All right, so give us your,your handle on social and then
your website, so they can findyou that way too.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, fitmjccom is the website, and then, yeah, and
then at fitmjc is our company.
Wide Instagram I am onInstagram.
I generally reshare fits posts.
Uh, that's how.
That's how I do most of mysocial media.
Uh, resharing, I'm not superactive.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Uh, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Michael Michael Allison.
Um, just all all one.
Uh, yeah, kind of long, andthen uh, the O is a zero.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Mine is underscore R Williams underscore I know very
original.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
All right, well, gentlemen, thank you so much for
taking time out of yourschedule to be here.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Thank you so much.
This was a lot of fun.
This is awesome.
It was fun.
Thanks, this is a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
This is awesome.
It was fun, thanks.
I always love visiting withindividuals so passionate about
their profession.
It is a contagious energy thatthey carry with them in every
appointment.
I can vouch for that.
You heard them both mentiontheir personal social handles,
(44:18):
but you can find Fit, muscle andJoint at fitmjccom, whether
you're looking for care foryourself, you want to
collaborate with them or just tokeep them in the back of your
mind for future reference.
I think you'll be pleased.
I'll list the info in the shownotes, but feel free to reach
out to me with any questions byemailing info at
spandexandwinecom or you can usemy text line 913-392-2877.
(44:43):
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