April 25, 2025 • 29 mins
Meet Jeri Persley, the force behind Be Empowered Tactical, who's revolutionizing firearms training for women. As Robin sits down with this inspiring instructor, we discover how a corporate trainer's expertise combined with a passion for firearms created a business that empowers women beyond the shooting range.
Jeri shares her journey from purchasing her first handgun in 2015 (a Glock 19 named Gloria) to founding a company where women learn in a supportive, judgment-free environment. The pivotal moment came in 2020 when she joined the National African-American Gun Association and found mentorship from another Black female instructor – representation that showed her what was possible in an industry dominated by white men.
What makes Jeri's approach special is her understanding of how women learn. While traditional firearms training often emphasizes competition, her classes focus on support and encouragement. She breaks down complex skills into manageable steps, celebrates small victories, and creates space for women to ask "why" instead of just following directions. This method transforms fear into confidence as students progress from firing single rounds to becoming comfortable with their firearms.
Some of the most powerful moments come when Jeri helps students overcome trauma related to guns. With patience and empathy, she's guided women through tears and trembling hands to find empowerment. As she explains, "Being empowered isn't just about handguns – it's about life." Many students take the confidence gained in her classes and apply it elsewhere, whether writing books, applying for jobs, or starting businesses.
Throughout it all, Jeri maintains that "shooting is simple, not easy" – the fundamentals are straightforward, but mastering them takes proper instruction and practice. With her sparkly gun grips and professional expertise, she's proving you can be "girly" and capable simultaneously, breaking stereotypes with every class she teaches.
Ready to feel more confident and empowered? Visit BeEmpoweredTactical.com to learn about upcoming classes and discover how learning firearms safety might just transform more than your shooting skills.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Spandex and Wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I'm so happy that you're
here.
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know you're not alone on thisbalanced wellness journey.
Ready to jump in?
Pour something in your glassthat makes you happy, because
it's time for spandex and wine.
Hey guys, it's Robin.
Thanks for coming back to thepodcast, so get ready.
(00:42):
Today's episode is fired up,literally.
I had the absolute pleasure ofinterviewing Geri Pursley.
She's the founder of BeEmpowered Tactical and let me
tell you, this conversation isgoing to leave you feeling
strong, confident and ready totake on the world.
Geri's mission is all aboutempowerment, hence the name.
After 15 years as a corporatefacilitator and instructor and a
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passion for firearms, she saw agap in the training world.
Women wanted to learn, but theydidn't always feel welcome or
comfortable doing it.
So she created Be EmpoweredTactical, a place where women
can learn to shoot in a safe,supportive and inclusive
environment.
Where women can learn to shootin a safe, supportive and
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inclusive environment, and mentoo.
So whether you're curious aboutfirearms, you're looking to
feel safer in your everyday life, or just love a good story
about a woman following herpassion and making waves, this
episode is for you.
So grab your earbuds and getready to meet the powerhouse
that Jerry personally is.
Let's dive in Well.
Hello, geri.
Welcome to the podcast.
(01:48):
Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm absolutely thrilled to behere.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay.
So we were sitting and watchingthe news and I'm like, okay,
this is a cool lady, this is acool thing that she's doing.
And I told my husband.
I said, oh, I should have heron the podcast.
And he's like, oh, yeah, youshould.
And then, like 10 minutes later, I said, oh, she's scheduled.
And he's like what?
I'm like, yeah, I just messagedher.
She said yes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, absolutely I.
I I welcome um being able to dothis.
This is my first podcast, sothank you very much I appreciate
that, so I'm excited about itand I really want to get the
message out there to people.
So I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely Okay.
So let's just start with,because we just jumped right in.
Let's just start with what itis that you're doing and how did
you get to this place.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, wow, okay.
So what I do is I am a NRA andcertified pistol instructor and
I teach primarily women, but Iteach all people to shoot their
pistols, so their handguns.
That's my specialty, I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
How did you get to this place?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wow.
So in 2015, like most women,I'm a single woman and I was
wanting to, you know, make sureI was secure out there in the
world and at home, obviously.
So I purchased a handgun.
I purchased a Glock 19 Gen 4.
Her name is Gloria a Glock 19Gen 4.
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Her name is Gloria, and, yeah,I named them and so for, and I
got my concealed carry weaponspermit as well, but I really
didn't do much with it.
I didn't go to the range.
I took a couple of classes hereand there, but it is a
depreciating skill.
So it's not something you cantake one class and you're good,
you know, forever.
You have to continue to up yourskills and keep them solid.
So in 2020, when everythingkind of went berserk, I found a
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gun club called NationalAfrican-American Gun Association
, naga, and I joined thembecause there were people that
did look like me, who wereinterested in firearms and were
gun enthusiasts, and I thought,oh, I can learn something.
I can learn something that'sawesome.
And I met a mentor, a woman, whois a master trainer, and she
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master trainer meaning she can,she can train pistols, shotguns
and rifles, trainer meaning shecan train pistols, shotguns and
rifles.
So she kind of took me underher wing and it was an
inspiration, because typicallywhen you see instructors, you
see men and you also see whitemen.
I'm neither one of those.
So seeing a woman, a blackwoman, command the range and
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know her stuff, that reallyinspired me and I thought, wow,
I could possibly do that.
Now let me add to that I'm alsoa.
I've been a corporateinstructor, trainer for many,
many years.
I have a degree in adulteducation or business education,
however you want to say it, andso I have been in the training
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field, instructing field, formany years.
That was extremely helpful,because something that people
don't quite realize is justbecause you know how to shoot
doesn't mean you know how toteach how to shoot.
Those are two different skills,yeah.
So I kind of put those togetherand then I decided to start a
business and it's been goingquite well, quite, quite well,
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quite well.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
That's great, and I love the name.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh yeah, so the name um, I I got the name.
I went through so manyiterations of of different names
, different names, um, but I Ithink of it in two ways.
So one just not you knowempowered, which is great, don't
get me wrong.
But I want people to beempowered.
Not try to be empowered Likemaybe I'm going to be empowered,
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no, but you're actually goingto definitively be empowered.
And added to that, um, beingempowered is not just about you
know handguns or or any type ofof of firearms.
It's about being empowered inlife.
So there are so many women thatI've I've taught over the years
that, to be honest, they'llprobably never touch it on the
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handgun.
They, they probably, theyprobably won't, they're not
going to go the range, it's justnot their thing.
It's just something they wantedto do or it seemed fun, or they
have one and they should, theyshould train more, but okay.
But maybe they're empowered inother ways of their life.
So maybe there is a you know abook that they were going to
write or a job that they weregoing to apply for, that they
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haven't a business they weregoing to start.
So being empowered is not justin handguns or in firearms in
general, but it's in life, it's,you know, they, they flex that
and be empowered muscle, andthen they're like Ooh, what else
could I do, right?
So that's, that's how far itspans.
It's not just handguns, and forme, for myself as well, I mean,
I started a business.
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I never would have thought ofdoing that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Never, never.
I love it.
Oh my gosh, it's awesome.
And I have to tell you that thepictures of you on your website
, uh, wow, number one, yes, itsays I am empowered, and two, I
mean that's a pretty sexy youlook good, that was part of it
too.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That was part of it too.
Um, I've been learning more andmore at one of the issues I
won't say issue but one of thethings that you know I've
thought about is you know, I am,I'm a girly girl Like I like.
I am a girl like I like to dothe adventure and, yes, I happen
to like guns, but I'm the girlygirl, I'm the one.
I don't have it with me, I'mnot going to bring it out, but
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you know I have a have ouroutfit on.
So it's like a little sparkly,little grip that you put on
there and people like is yourgun sparkling?
It is.
I don't do pink as much, andthat's just because I don't want
it to be confused with a toy.
So I want you to know that thisis serious.
Yeah, this is.
There's no games here, but if Ican girl it up, you know,
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whether it's pink or any type ofcolors, I do that as much as I
possibly can.
You see my logo colorsdefinitely reflect.
I don't think anybody's goingto confuse me with.
You know a gentleman who trains, but that also is.
You know, that's part of theappeal.
You can be girly and you can behoney, so you can do both of
them.
You don't have to be one or theother.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, yes, and not that I want to get into politics
or anything, but I guaranteethat there's someone listening
that they're just like, oh mygosh, like they're terrified of
guns.
They think that they are justawful.
Speak to that just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So are just awful.
Speak to that just a little bit.
So my take on that and you'reright, people do say that we
just need to get rid of all theguns.
Okay, well, let's do a littlethought experiment with that.
So if all of the responsible,law-abiding handgun or gun
owners in general gave up all oftheir guns, it's the criminals
I'm worried about, and they'renot going to give up their guns.
Hence the fact that they'recriminals, right?
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So they're not going to, and sowhat we're really would open
ourselves up to is being morevulnerable.
Yes, and they would know that.
So in, especially in Missourior Kansas, really, because we do
have, we're a constitutionalcarry state means we don't have
to have a permit in in order toto carry a concealed or or open,
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which I don't suggest, but, uh,we don't need a permit to do
that.
Um, criminals don't really knowwho they're up against.
Yeah, you know you could begrandma, and and and which I am.
I am a grandmother.
Um, so you could be grandma, amom, and you're just walking
around, but they have no ideathat.
You know you have a littlesurprise for them.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So yes, yeah, yeah.
It's interesting that you saythat, because I know a couple of
ladies that I think peoplewould be so surprised if they
would take a look in theirhandbag.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah.
I had to ask no-transcript gun.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yes, I 100% agree.
Yeah, and you're going to laugh.
I had to ask my husband I'mlike what kind of guns have I
shot before I said I'm gettingready for this podcast interview
?
What kind of guns have I shot?
Before I said I'm getting readyfor this podcast interview?
And it has been so long?
We used to go down to the farmand he said I've shot a 22, a
410, a 20 gauge and a 12 gauge.
And he said you really didn'tlike the 12 gauge.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And I think that must've been the one that kind
of kicks and had a bruise from.
Yeah, yeah, it does, and it mayhave been how you were holding
it or and whatnot.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, yeah, 12gauge it's, that's fun too.
Yeah, I think pretty much allguns are fun.
Um, but you know that thatthat's me, but it is.
It is who's teaching you.
And not to say that whoever waswas bad.
But sometimes just because aswomen, also this anatomically,
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we're different, that's one.
Our shoulders aren shouldersaren't as broad and we're not as
strong.
Typically we're not as strong,and so we kind of have to put a
little bit more into it.
And I find also, I tell a lotof my my, my women students.
I tell them I said can you holda baby?
Have you had babies, grandkids,nieces, nephews, anybody?
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And they're like oh yeah, ifyou can hold a baby, you can
handle a gun.
The difference is you're afraidof the gun, you're not afraid
of the baby, you're not going todrop the baby, you're not going
to do any, you know you'regoing to hold it.
And the difference is it'sbecause you're afraid of it.
So they're like, oh, instead oflike, bringing it in.
So it takes a little while butafter a while I'm telling you
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they love it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I bet Like.
I mean, I feel like I wouldenjoy it too.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I feel like I would enjoy it too.
And I'd like to do one of yourclasses.
Could you just tell useverything?
They did it, like you said,with your husband one time or
you know a couple of times, andso they've never actually had
the breakdown of not only how togrip the gun, the stance, your
sights they never your triggerpress.
They've never had thatbreakdown.
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I go through really slowly.
It's a four hour class and I'vehad people say what are we
going to talk about for fourhours.
I mean, what do you do?
You just stand there and youpress the trigger.
Uh no, there's a lot to it,there's a whole lot, and the
thing is you don't know what youdon't know.
So hopefully I can introducesomething to the ladies.
I also do one-on-one classes.
Um, I can, I've also.
I don't do this with everybodybecause you know I'm not showing
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up at anyone's house, but Ihave done in-home.
We do the classroom portionin-home and then we go to the
range for the live portion.
I do situational awarenesspresentations that just talk
about, because a lot of peoplewere just not aware.
Even if you have a handgun oryou have any other type of
defensive tool, it really won'tmatter if somebody's sneaking up
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on you, right?
So if you're not payingattention, you're in your phone.
You're on the phone doingsomething else.
Someone could be right thereand you wouldn't even know it,
so it really wouldn't helpwhether you've had any, had any
training or not.
I also do a concierge service.
I call it a purchase conciergeservice.
Well, I will go with you to therange.
(13:54):
We'll try out some differenthandguns and find one that fits
you best.
Okay, okay, I've also done awebinar.
I haven't done one lately, butI will do another webinar where
I take you through what you needto think about before you even
purchase a gun.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh, I like that, that's good, that's good.
And I like the situationalawareness because that makes a
little sense, because if youhave the gun and you're not
aware of your surroundings, wellthen the gun could be used on
you, right?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's possible, or you just won't be able to get to it
fast enough.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Depending on where you carry, you won't get to it
fast enough.
And also as women, becausetypically a threat it's a threat
will be a man.
More than likely it will be aman, statistically speaking.
So it will be a man and thatman is more than likely going to
be stronger than you.
So if they're up on you, it'salmost too late.
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I don't do this, but there areclasses that you can take that
will help you.
You know how do you get away ifyou're in a you know you're
kind of in a the situation wherethey're like holding you or
grabbing you and you can getaway and make just enough space
so that you can.
You know you, you can end thethreat.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, okay, stop the threat, right, right.
So is this your full-time jobnow?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, no, no no not by far.
I wish it, I wish it was, andone day I hope that it will be.
I would love to do this.
I would love to have my ownrange, I would love to have a
whole team of people that would,would do just what I'm doing,
and and and.
In a way, obviously,everybody's personality is
different, but but taking thetime to explain one of the
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different, there's a fewdifferences between men and
women, and I and I train withmen.
When I do my training, I'mtraining with men, so I'm very
aware of how, of how that worksand the differences, the
difference that I find betweenmen and women with training.
So men are more, men are morecompetitive you know that's just
how they work and women aremore supportive.
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So in my classes there's youknow we're high fiving and you
know clapping Yay, you did it.
And so that encourages womenmore.
And also, women want to knowthe details.
They want to know why you gripit like that, why this happens,
why you do that, and so I think,understanding that and
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understanding where they'recoming from, that's kind of how
I present.
I don't just tell you to do it,I'm going to tell you why you
need to do it, why it'simportant.
And also again going back to mytraining, corporate training, a
background I understand thatthat's what's going to make it
click for you.
I need to make it click for youand I also need to give
analogies and all kinds of goodstuff and there's a whole, like
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I said, there's a wholebackground on adult education.
So how adults learn is verydifferent than how children.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, yes, yes.
So if I were going to come to aclass and I don't have a gun,
is that you have?
You supply them.
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, I can supply them, so I rent them.
And that includes your eyes,your ears protection, your eye
and ear protection Sorry, I'musing terminologies, but eye and
ear protection and then alsoammo, so we don't use a ton of
ammo.
I'm not going to just load yourmagazine and just let you go.
We actually do it very, veryslowly and I think that also
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helps because you've got oneround in.
When that's gone, then, becauseyour adrenaline is flying, then
it comes back down, Then we canstart.
Then I can start to teach youonce you feel you understand
what it feels like, becausethat's a part of it and you can
hear it, you know that part ofit that people now they can kind
of bring it down and then wecan start having some fun.
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So they do one, one at a time,one at a time that we do two and
then we do three.
I tell them they graduated, yougraduate to two, you graduate
to three.
And I know a lot of people willthink well, you're going really
slow.
My point is not to get you to beanti-opely.
My point is to get you to beable to understand the orders of
operation.
That's extremely important tounderstand that, because then
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you'll understand.
Do I have one in the chamber ordo I not have one in the
chamber?
How do I get one in the chamber?
How do I take one out?
All of those things areimportant.
Before I don't, I don't careabout you shooting, Even that my
target is so close, it's likethree feet away.
You're going to hit it and partof that is to hold.
Yeah, you hit it, you got it.
Look what you got.
That encourages, thatencourages.
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That encourages because they,they are going to hit it.
You know I'm not, we're notpushing it.
You know 2525 yards.
Yeah, you know I'm a suck.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, you don't you don't, you're branded and I want
them to be successful and wantthem to come back as well.
Right, right, and I bet it'sreally rewarding rewarding for
you to to see like a timidperson come in and then, by the
end of it, they're like oh yeah,that was amazing.
I feel awesome oh absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That is one of the reasons I continue to do it is
because it's not my full timejob and this is a lot of work
Having a business together andthings together and doing the
website and doing everything.
It's a lot of work, but what Ilove about it is that to see the
looks on the women's face.
I've had tears.
I have had we do hugs.
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I've had people shaking,literally shaking, like I said,
tears coming down, People whohad had some trauma in their
past around guns.
I was going to ask that, yeahyou have that, and so that's one
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of the questions I ask to askthat say, yeah, you know,
something happened with mybrother 20 years ago and I'm
still I'm still nervous aboutthis, no, worries.
And so now I know, kind of,keep an eye on you, you know,
see how you're doing, check onyou.
Most people continue to stay,they don't leave.
But I have had one person whoshe shot, I think twice, and
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when I say twice, two rounds,right, she shot twice.
And she was like, yeah, I don'tthink I can do this, not a
problem, right.
I texted her the next day and Isaid, hey, I just want to check
on you, make sure you're okay.
And she said, yeah, I'm fine.
She said I'm going to come back.
I said, you know what, even ifyou don't, I am so proud of you,
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I'm so proud of you, I'm soproud of you for doing that.
You know, this is somethingthat happened a decade ago to
her personally and I just I waslike you know what?
You should be so proud ofyourself and I'm proud of you.
So if you come back, that'sgreat, and if you don't, then
don't worry about it, don'tworry about it.
Yeah, I don't force anyone to doanything that they don't want
to do.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Sure, absolutely.
And I bet there are some peoplethat don't realize what they're
carrying, the baggage thatthey're carrying, and it just
comes out and they're like, ohmy gosh, I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Wow, okay, that absolutely does happen.
So a woman came in, her brotherhad been shot and he had been
paralyzed and he at the time hehad been shot and he had been
paralyzed.
And he, he, at the time he hadbeat his twenties and he had
lived.
He had died relatively recentlyand he, um, he had been
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paralyzed.
You know his entire life.
So, as I, it's not even yourtrauma.
Sometimes it's the trauma ofpeople around you that you've
carried as well, because that'sa scary situation, that's a
horrible situation to see yourbrother in.
So you know, yeah, you havecarried that and and she, she
actually stayed.
She did a great job, she did anawesome job.
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She's like, yeah, okay, I wantto get a gun now.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's like, all right, well, you just let me know when
you're ready.
And we can do that we can dothat awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, you seem like such a a calming person and just
a wonderful presence, so I cansee why people will feel
comfortable around you yes, yes,I think so that and and I've
heard, I've had feedback that itwas like one, yes, calming,
she's very welcoming, but alsoshe knows her stuff and that's
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that's something for my ownbeing poweredness to have to
realize, because a lot ofindividuals in the firearms
industry and instruction theyare, you know, former military,
former police officers noteveryone, but but a lot of
people are and so here I am,just a little civilian, little
civilian woman who's coming in,like you know, I can hang with
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the guys and, to be quite honest, yeah, to a certain extent I
can, I can, but I have to workreally hard at that.
But I think that's what sets meapart as well.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yes, yes.
So in a group setting, like howmany people would be in a group
, like what's your max?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right now my max is six.
It kind of depends.
It depends on if I haveassistance.
Sometimes I do.
Like I said, talked about mymentor, sometimes she will.
I have other instructor friendsand an RSO RSO is Range Safety
Officer and so they have thatcertification and so I might
bring them in from time to timeif I have a little bit larger
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group.
But for the most part, becauseit's a beginner group, you can
go fairly slow and no one's like, well, I got to get back up
there and shoot.
Nah, most people are like, yeah, I'm good, I'm done, I'm good.
If they go slow, it gives themtime to kind of recalibrate from
that adrenaline rush.
It kind of gives them a littlebit of time and then I can go
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through each one and kind oftalk to them individually and
give them one-on-one coaching.
Training Got it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
That's awesome.
This has been so fun.
I love this.
Thank you, thank you, yeah, sotell the listeners how they can
find you.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh, absolutely so.
My website isBeEmpoweredTacticalcom.
I'm also on Facebook and ofcourse I should have that.
Facebook is BeEmpoweredTacticalLLC and on Instagram it's Of
course.
I gotta remember.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's okay.
I'll put it in the show notestoo, so I can always add that.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Okay, okay, now I got it.
I got it.
Okay, there we go.
B E period, empowered 14.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Instagram Got it.
Okay, I will definitely putthat in the show notes.
So is there anything that wedidn't cover, that you would
want to want everyone to knowabout, any kind of frequent
questions that you get that wedidn't cover?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I I would say the biggest thing is it's shooting
is simple, not easy, and so whatI mean by that is it's simple.
You know you grip.
You don't hold it, but you gripthe gun.
You press the trigger, butthere is so much that goes into.
You know how do you load themagazine?
(24:55):
How do you load the magazine?
How do you load the firearm?
Safety is a big thing becausethat's where a lot of things we
have negligent and accidentaldischarges.
Yeah, part of that is becausepeople are not paying attention
to the safety protocols.
Do not point the muzzle atanything that you do not want to
destroy.
That is number one.
And all handguns and all gunsperiod are loaded.
(25:17):
So I think that that is youknow the safety rules and an
understanding that this is askill.
It's not as easy.
You are not John Wick.
Nobody, nobody really is EvenJohn Wick.
Keanu Reeves even had to gothrough a lot of training to do
those movies, to make it lookreal.
Yeah, not even real, but tomake it look real, he had to go
through hours and hours andmonths of training to make it
look real.
Not even real, but to make itlook real.
(25:37):
He had to go through hours andhours and months of training to
make it look real.
So it's simple, not easy, andso get someone that can help you
with that and help you learnthe correct way, the proper way.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, oh, I did think of one more question, Wasn't it
, alec Baldwin, that the gunwent off on the movie set?
Because you had just mentionedthat.
So how would that happen?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
uh, I don't know that it would happen.
I don't.
I don't know a lot about that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I'll say that first I don't know a lot about that
before a gun to just go off.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
That is an extremely rare.
Now there could be somemechanical misfunction there we
go.
Malfunction there could be.
That's extremely, extremelyrare, though that's that's like
saying, well, could a car'sbrakes just all of a sudden go
off?
Well, yeah, they could, butthat's very, very rare that that
happens like that.
So yeah no, typically the onlyway that a firearm would go off
(26:31):
is if someone actually pressedthe trigger, and then it could
be accidentally, but thatsomeone actually pressed the
trigger, and so that's why youalways want to, you know, point
your firearm in a safe direction, whether it's at home, you're
cleaning it, or whether it's atthe range.
You always want to put it in asafe direction because you know
something could happenAccidentally.
(26:53):
You press the trigger and someof the triggers, especially when
you're talking aboutcompetition firearms.
The trigger and some of thetriggers, especially when you're
talking about, um, competitionfirearms, the trigger is
extremely light.
Oh, if you've ever had what'scalled a double action like a
revolver, and it's been likereally, really hard to press and
and and people think that allguns are like that, not at all,
not all.
Some are like literally so, um,and those, but those are
(27:17):
competition and most peopledon't have competition, yeah,
competition firearms, but, butsome of them can be very, very
easy to press.
So you always have to becareful about this direction and
to keep your finger on thetrigger.
That's the first thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
There you go, there you go.
Well, jerry, thank you so muchfor taking time out of your day
to be here.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, thank you so much, Robin, for inviting me,
and I had a pleasure, and Icannot wait to see how this
turns out, because I'm soexcited to share it and share
what you do too.
So you've had some interestingconversations, so I would love
for people to see yours as well.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Oh, thank you so much .
I appreciate it.
Okay, you take care.
All right, bye.
I told you Jerry was the realdeal.
Thank you so much for beinghere and sharing your time and
knowledge with us, jerry.
I hope this conversation leftyou feeling inspired, educated
and maybe even a little morecurious about stepping into your
own power.
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Hello and welcome to the Spandex and Wine podcast.
I'm your host, robin Hackney,and I'm so happy that you're
here.
This podcast is a place forconversations about balancing a
healthy lifestyle and beinghappy more specifically, happy
hour.
Together we'll explore allthings wellness and wine.
I hope you learn a little,laugh a lot and, along the way,
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know you're not alone on thisbalanced wellness journey.
Ready to jump in?
Pour something in your glassthat makes you happy, because
it's time for spandex and wine.
Hey guys, it's Robin.
Thanks for coming back to thepodcast, so get ready.
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Today's episode is fired up,literally.
I had the absolute pleasure ofinterviewing Geri Pursley.
She's the founder of BeEmpowered Tactical and let me
tell you, this conversation isgoing to leave you feeling
strong, confident and ready totake on the world.
Geri's mission is all aboutempowerment, hence the name.
After 15 years as a corporatefacilitator and instructor and a
(01:06):
passion for firearms, she saw agap in the training world.
Women wanted to learn, but theydidn't always feel welcome or
comfortable doing it.
So she created Be EmpoweredTactical, a place where women
can learn to shoot in a safe,supportive and inclusive
environment.
Where women can learn to shootin a safe, supportive and
(01:27):
inclusive environment, and mentoo.
So whether you're curious aboutfirearms, you're looking to
feel safer in your everyday life, or just love a good story
about a woman following herpassion and making waves, this
episode is for you.
So grab your earbuds and getready to meet the powerhouse
that Jerry personally is.
Let's dive in Well.
Hello, geri.
Welcome to the podcast.
(01:48):
Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm absolutely thrilled to behere.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay.
So we were sitting and watchingthe news and I'm like, okay,
this is a cool lady, this is acool thing that she's doing.
And I told my husband.
I said, oh, I should have heron the podcast.
And he's like, oh, yeah, youshould.
And then, like 10 minutes later, I said, oh, she's scheduled.
And he's like what?
I'm like, yeah, I just messagedher.
She said yes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, absolutely I.
I I welcome um being able to dothis.
This is my first podcast, sothank you very much I appreciate
that, so I'm excited about itand I really want to get the
message out there to people.
So I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely Okay.
So let's just start with,because we just jumped right in.
Let's just start with what itis that you're doing and how did
you get to this place.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, wow, okay.
So what I do is I am a NRA andcertified pistol instructor and
I teach primarily women, but Iteach all people to shoot their
pistols, so their handguns.
That's my specialty, I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
How did you get to this place?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wow.
So in 2015, like most women,I'm a single woman and I was
wanting to, you know, make sureI was secure out there in the
world and at home, obviously.
So I purchased a handgun.
I purchased a Glock 19 Gen 4.
Her name is Gloria a Glock 19Gen 4.
(03:30):
Her name is Gloria, and, yeah,I named them and so for, and I
got my concealed carry weaponspermit as well, but I really
didn't do much with it.
I didn't go to the range.
I took a couple of classes hereand there, but it is a
depreciating skill.
So it's not something you cantake one class and you're good,
you know, forever.
You have to continue to up yourskills and keep them solid.
So in 2020, when everythingkind of went berserk, I found a
(03:55):
gun club called NationalAfrican-American Gun Association
, naga, and I joined thembecause there were people that
did look like me, who wereinterested in firearms and were
gun enthusiasts, and I thought,oh, I can learn something.
I can learn something that'sawesome.
And I met a mentor, a woman, whois a master trainer, and she
(04:19):
master trainer meaning she can,she can train pistols, shotguns
and rifles, trainer meaning shecan train pistols, shotguns and
rifles.
So she kind of took me underher wing and it was an
inspiration, because typicallywhen you see instructors, you
see men and you also see whitemen.
I'm neither one of those.
So seeing a woman, a blackwoman, command the range and
(04:43):
know her stuff, that reallyinspired me and I thought, wow,
I could possibly do that.
Now let me add to that I'm alsoa.
I've been a corporateinstructor, trainer for many,
many years.
I have a degree in adulteducation or business education,
however you want to say it, andso I have been in the training
(05:04):
field, instructing field, formany years.
That was extremely helpful,because something that people
don't quite realize is justbecause you know how to shoot
doesn't mean you know how toteach how to shoot.
Those are two different skills,yeah.
So I kind of put those togetherand then I decided to start a
business and it's been goingquite well, quite, quite well,
(05:25):
quite well.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
That's great, and I love the name.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh yeah, so the name um, I I got the name.
I went through so manyiterations of of different names
, different names, um, but I Ithink of it in two ways.
So one just not you knowempowered, which is great, don't
get me wrong.
But I want people to beempowered.
Not try to be empowered Likemaybe I'm going to be empowered,
(05:51):
no, but you're actually goingto definitively be empowered.
And added to that, um, beingempowered is not just about you
know handguns or or any type ofof of firearms.
It's about being empowered inlife.
So there are so many women thatI've I've taught over the years
that, to be honest, they'llprobably never touch it on the
(06:13):
handgun.
They, they probably, theyprobably won't, they're not
going to go the range, it's justnot their thing.
It's just something they wantedto do or it seemed fun, or they
have one and they should, theyshould train more, but okay.
But maybe they're empowered inother ways of their life.
So maybe there is a you know abook that they were going to
write or a job that they weregoing to apply for, that they
(06:35):
haven't a business they weregoing to start.
So being empowered is not justin handguns or in firearms in
general, but it's in life, it's,you know, they, they flex that
and be empowered muscle, andthen they're like Ooh, what else
could I do, right?
So that's, that's how far itspans.
It's not just handguns, and forme, for myself as well, I mean,
I started a business.
(06:56):
I never would have thought ofdoing that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Never, never.
I love it.
Oh my gosh, it's awesome.
And I have to tell you that thepictures of you on your website
, uh, wow, number one, yes, itsays I am empowered, and two, I
mean that's a pretty sexy youlook good, that was part of it
too.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That was part of it too.
Um, I've been learning more andmore at one of the issues I
won't say issue but one of thethings that you know I've
thought about is you know, I am,I'm a girly girl Like I like.
I am a girl like I like to dothe adventure and, yes, I happen
to like guns, but I'm the girlygirl, I'm the one.
I don't have it with me, I'mnot going to bring it out, but
(07:41):
you know I have a have ouroutfit on.
So it's like a little sparkly,little grip that you put on
there and people like is yourgun sparkling?
It is.
I don't do pink as much, andthat's just because I don't want
it to be confused with a toy.
So I want you to know that thisis serious.
Yeah, this is.
There's no games here, but if Ican girl it up, you know,
(08:06):
whether it's pink or any type ofcolors, I do that as much as I
possibly can.
You see my logo colorsdefinitely reflect.
I don't think anybody's goingto confuse me with.
You know a gentleman who trains, but that also is.
You know, that's part of theappeal.
You can be girly and you can behoney, so you can do both of
them.
You don't have to be one or theother.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, yes, and not that I want to get into politics
or anything, but I guaranteethat there's someone listening
that they're just like, oh mygosh, like they're terrified of
guns.
They think that they are justawful.
Speak to that just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So are just awful.
Speak to that just a little bit.
So my take on that and you'reright, people do say that we
just need to get rid of all theguns.
Okay, well, let's do a littlethought experiment with that.
So if all of the responsible,law-abiding handgun or gun
owners in general gave up all oftheir guns, it's the criminals
I'm worried about, and they'renot going to give up their guns.
Hence the fact that they'recriminals, right?
(09:09):
So they're not going to, and sowhat we're really would open
ourselves up to is being morevulnerable.
Yes, and they would know that.
So in, especially in Missourior Kansas, really, because we do
have, we're a constitutionalcarry state means we don't have
to have a permit in in order toto carry a concealed or or open,
(09:30):
which I don't suggest, but, uh,we don't need a permit to do
that.
Um, criminals don't really knowwho they're up against.
Yeah, you know you could begrandma, and and and which I am.
I am a grandmother.
Um, so you could be grandma, amom, and you're just walking
around, but they have no ideathat.
You know you have a littlesurprise for them.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So yes, yeah, yeah.
It's interesting that you saythat, because I know a couple of
ladies that I think peoplewould be so surprised if they
would take a look in theirhandbag.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah.
I had to ask no-transcript gun.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yes, I 100% agree.
Yeah, and you're going to laugh.
I had to ask my husband I'mlike what kind of guns have I
shot before I said I'm gettingready for this podcast interview
?
What kind of guns have I shot?
Before I said I'm getting readyfor this podcast interview?
And it has been so long?
We used to go down to the farmand he said I've shot a 22, a
410, a 20 gauge and a 12 gauge.
And he said you really didn'tlike the 12 gauge.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And I think that must've been the one that kind
of kicks and had a bruise from.
Yeah, yeah, it does, and it mayhave been how you were holding
it or and whatnot.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, yeah, 12gauge it's, that's fun too.
Yeah, I think pretty much allguns are fun.
Um, but you know that thatthat's me, but it is.
It is who's teaching you.
And not to say that whoever waswas bad.
But sometimes just because aswomen, also this anatomically,
(11:20):
we're different, that's one.
Our shoulders aren shouldersaren't as broad and we're not as
strong.
Typically we're not as strong,and so we kind of have to put a
little bit more into it.
And I find also, I tell a lotof my my, my women students.
I tell them I said can you holda baby?
Have you had babies, grandkids,nieces, nephews, anybody?
(11:43):
And they're like oh yeah, ifyou can hold a baby, you can
handle a gun.
The difference is you're afraidof the gun, you're not afraid
of the baby, you're not going todrop the baby, you're not going
to do any, you know you'regoing to hold it.
And the difference is it'sbecause you're afraid of it.
So they're like, oh, instead oflike, bringing it in.
So it takes a little while butafter a while I'm telling you
(12:05):
they love it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I bet Like.
I mean, I feel like I wouldenjoy it too.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I feel like I would enjoy it too.
And I'd like to do one of yourclasses.
Could you just tell useverything?
They did it, like you said,with your husband one time or
you know a couple of times, andso they've never actually had
the breakdown of not only how togrip the gun, the stance, your
sights they never your triggerpress.
They've never had thatbreakdown.
(12:48):
I go through really slowly.
It's a four hour class and I'vehad people say what are we
going to talk about for fourhours.
I mean, what do you do?
You just stand there and youpress the trigger.
Uh no, there's a lot to it,there's a whole lot, and the
thing is you don't know what youdon't know.
So hopefully I can introducesomething to the ladies.
I also do one-on-one classes.
Um, I can, I've also.
I don't do this with everybodybecause you know I'm not showing
(13:11):
up at anyone's house, but Ihave done in-home.
We do the classroom portionin-home and then we go to the
range for the live portion.
I do situational awarenesspresentations that just talk
about, because a lot of peoplewere just not aware.
Even if you have a handgun oryou have any other type of
defensive tool, it really won'tmatter if somebody's sneaking up
(13:34):
on you, right?
So if you're not payingattention, you're in your phone.
You're on the phone doingsomething else.
Someone could be right thereand you wouldn't even know it,
so it really wouldn't helpwhether you've had any, had any
training or not.
I also do a concierge service.
I call it a purchase conciergeservice.
Well, I will go with you to therange.
(13:54):
We'll try out some differenthandguns and find one that fits
you best.
Okay, okay, I've also done awebinar.
I haven't done one lately, butI will do another webinar where
I take you through what you needto think about before you even
purchase a gun.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh, I like that, that's good, that's good.
And I like the situationalawareness because that makes a
little sense, because if youhave the gun and you're not
aware of your surroundings, wellthen the gun could be used on
you, right?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's possible, or you just won't be able to get to it
fast enough.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Depending on where you carry, you won't get to it
fast enough.
And also as women, becausetypically a threat it's a threat
will be a man.
More than likely it will be aman, statistically speaking.
So it will be a man and thatman is more than likely going to
be stronger than you.
So if they're up on you, it'salmost too late.
(14:49):
I don't do this, but there areclasses that you can take that
will help you.
You know how do you get away ifyou're in a you know you're
kind of in a the situation wherethey're like holding you or
grabbing you and you can getaway and make just enough space
so that you can.
You know you, you can end thethreat.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, okay, stop the threat, right, right.
So is this your full-time jobnow?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, no, no no not by far.
I wish it, I wish it was, andone day I hope that it will be.
I would love to do this.
I would love to have my ownrange, I would love to have a
whole team of people that would,would do just what I'm doing,
and and and.
In a way, obviously,everybody's personality is
different, but but taking thetime to explain one of the
(15:37):
different, there's a fewdifferences between men and
women, and I and I train withmen.
When I do my training, I'mtraining with men, so I'm very
aware of how, of how that worksand the differences, the
difference that I find betweenmen and women with training.
So men are more, men are morecompetitive you know that's just
how they work and women aremore supportive.
(16:00):
So in my classes there's youknow we're high fiving and you
know clapping Yay, you did it.
And so that encourages womenmore.
And also, women want to knowthe details.
They want to know why you gripit like that, why this happens,
why you do that, and so I think,understanding that and
(16:22):
understanding where they'recoming from, that's kind of how
I present.
I don't just tell you to do it,I'm going to tell you why you
need to do it, why it'simportant.
And also again going back to mytraining, corporate training, a
background I understand thatthat's what's going to make it
click for you.
I need to make it click for youand I also need to give
analogies and all kinds of goodstuff and there's a whole, like
(16:46):
I said, there's a wholebackground on adult education.
So how adults learn is verydifferent than how children.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, yes, yes.
So if I were going to come to aclass and I don't have a gun,
is that you have?
You supply them.
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, I can supply them, so I rent them.
And that includes your eyes,your ears protection, your eye
and ear protection Sorry, I'musing terminologies, but eye and
ear protection and then alsoammo, so we don't use a ton of
ammo.
I'm not going to just load yourmagazine and just let you go.
We actually do it very, veryslowly and I think that also
(17:26):
helps because you've got oneround in.
When that's gone, then, becauseyour adrenaline is flying, then
it comes back down, Then we canstart.
Then I can start to teach youonce you feel you understand
what it feels like, becausethat's a part of it and you can
hear it, you know that part ofit that people now they can kind
of bring it down and then wecan start having some fun.
(17:47):
So they do one, one at a time,one at a time that we do two and
then we do three.
I tell them they graduated, yougraduate to two, you graduate
to three.
And I know a lot of people willthink well, you're going really
slow.
My point is not to get you to beanti-opely.
My point is to get you to beable to understand the orders of
operation.
That's extremely important tounderstand that, because then
(18:09):
you'll understand.
Do I have one in the chamber ordo I not have one in the
chamber?
How do I get one in the chamber?
How do I take one out?
All of those things areimportant.
Before I don't, I don't careabout you shooting, Even that my
target is so close, it's likethree feet away.
You're going to hit it and partof that is to hold.
Yeah, you hit it, you got it.
Look what you got.
That encourages, thatencourages.
(18:29):
That encourages because they,they are going to hit it.
You know I'm not, we're notpushing it.
You know 2525 yards.
Yeah, you know I'm a suck.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, you don't you don't, you're branded and I want
them to be successful and wantthem to come back as well.
Right, right, and I bet it'sreally rewarding rewarding for
you to to see like a timidperson come in and then, by the
end of it, they're like oh yeah,that was amazing.
I feel awesome oh absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That is one of the reasons I continue to do it is
because it's not my full timejob and this is a lot of work
Having a business together andthings together and doing the
website and doing everything.
It's a lot of work, but what Ilove about it is that to see the
looks on the women's face.
I've had tears.
I have had we do hugs.
(19:18):
I've had people shaking,literally shaking, like I said,
tears coming down, People whohad had some trauma in their
past around guns.
I was going to ask that, yeahyou have that, and so that's one
(19:45):
of the questions I ask to askthat say, yeah, you know,
something happened with mybrother 20 years ago and I'm
still I'm still nervous aboutthis, no, worries.
And so now I know, kind of,keep an eye on you, you know,
see how you're doing, check onyou.
Most people continue to stay,they don't leave.
But I have had one person whoshe shot, I think twice, and
(20:08):
when I say twice, two rounds,right, she shot twice.
And she was like, yeah, I don'tthink I can do this, not a
problem, right.
I texted her the next day and Isaid, hey, I just want to check
on you, make sure you're okay.
And she said, yeah, I'm fine.
She said I'm going to come back.
I said, you know what, even ifyou don't, I am so proud of you,
(20:29):
I'm so proud of you, I'm soproud of you for doing that.
You know, this is somethingthat happened a decade ago to
her personally and I just I waslike you know what?
You should be so proud ofyourself and I'm proud of you.
So if you come back, that'sgreat, and if you don't, then
don't worry about it, don'tworry about it.
Yeah, I don't force anyone to doanything that they don't want
to do.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Sure, absolutely.
And I bet there are some peoplethat don't realize what they're
carrying, the baggage thatthey're carrying, and it just
comes out and they're like, ohmy gosh, I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Wow, okay, that absolutely does happen.
So a woman came in, her brotherhad been shot and he had been
paralyzed and he at the time hehad been shot and he had been
paralyzed.
And he, he, at the time he hadbeat his twenties and he had
lived.
He had died relatively recentlyand he, um, he had been
(21:21):
paralyzed.
You know his entire life.
So, as I, it's not even yourtrauma.
Sometimes it's the trauma ofpeople around you that you've
carried as well, because that'sa scary situation, that's a
horrible situation to see yourbrother in.
So you know, yeah, you havecarried that and and she, she
actually stayed.
She did a great job, she did anawesome job.
(21:41):
She's like, yeah, okay, I wantto get a gun now.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's like, all right, well, you just let me know when
you're ready.
And we can do that we can dothat awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, you seem like such a a calming person and just
a wonderful presence, so I cansee why people will feel
comfortable around you yes, yes,I think so that and and I've
heard, I've had feedback that itwas like one, yes, calming,
she's very welcoming, but alsoshe knows her stuff and that's
(22:10):
that's something for my ownbeing poweredness to have to
realize, because a lot ofindividuals in the firearms
industry and instruction theyare, you know, former military,
former police officers noteveryone, but but a lot of
people are and so here I am,just a little civilian, little
civilian woman who's coming in,like you know, I can hang with
(22:33):
the guys and, to be quite honest, yeah, to a certain extent I
can, I can, but I have to workreally hard at that.
But I think that's what sets meapart as well.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yes, yes.
So in a group setting, like howmany people would be in a group
, like what's your max?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right now my max is six.
It kind of depends.
It depends on if I haveassistance.
Sometimes I do.
Like I said, talked about mymentor, sometimes she will.
I have other instructor friendsand an RSO RSO is Range Safety
Officer and so they have thatcertification and so I might
bring them in from time to timeif I have a little bit larger
(23:09):
group.
But for the most part, becauseit's a beginner group, you can
go fairly slow and no one's like, well, I got to get back up
there and shoot.
Nah, most people are like, yeah, I'm good, I'm done, I'm good.
If they go slow, it gives themtime to kind of recalibrate from
that adrenaline rush.
It kind of gives them a littlebit of time and then I can go
(23:30):
through each one and kind oftalk to them individually and
give them one-on-one coaching.
Training Got it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
That's awesome.
This has been so fun.
I love this.
Thank you, thank you, yeah, sotell the listeners how they can
find you.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Oh, absolutely so.
My website isBeEmpoweredTacticalcom.
I'm also on Facebook and ofcourse I should have that.
Facebook is BeEmpoweredTacticalLLC and on Instagram it's Of
course.
I gotta remember.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's okay.
I'll put it in the show notestoo, so I can always add that.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Okay, okay, now I got it.
I got it.
Okay, there we go.
B E period, empowered 14.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Instagram Got it.
Okay, I will definitely putthat in the show notes.
So is there anything that wedidn't cover, that you would
want to want everyone to knowabout, any kind of frequent
questions that you get that wedidn't cover?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I I would say the biggest thing is it's shooting
is simple, not easy, and so whatI mean by that is it's simple.
You know you grip.
You don't hold it, but you gripthe gun.
You press the trigger, butthere is so much that goes into.
You know how do you load themagazine?
(24:55):
How do you load the magazine?
How do you load the firearm?
Safety is a big thing becausethat's where a lot of things we
have negligent and accidentaldischarges.
Yeah, part of that is becausepeople are not paying attention
to the safety protocols.
Do not point the muzzle atanything that you do not want to
destroy.
That is number one.
And all handguns and all gunsperiod are loaded.
(25:17):
So I think that that is youknow the safety rules and an
understanding that this is askill.
It's not as easy.
You are not John Wick.
Nobody, nobody really is EvenJohn Wick.
Keanu Reeves even had to gothrough a lot of training to do
those movies, to make it lookreal.
Yeah, not even real, but tomake it look real, he had to go
through hours and hours andmonths of training to make it
look real.
Not even real, but to make itlook real.
(25:37):
He had to go through hours andhours and months of training to
make it look real.
So it's simple, not easy, andso get someone that can help you
with that and help you learnthe correct way, the proper way.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, oh, I did think of one more question, Wasn't it
, alec Baldwin, that the gunwent off on the movie set?
Because you had just mentionedthat.
So how would that happen?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
uh, I don't know that it would happen.
I don't.
I don't know a lot about that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I'll say that first I don't know a lot about that
before a gun to just go off.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
That is an extremely rare.
Now there could be somemechanical misfunction there we
go.
Malfunction there could be.
That's extremely, extremelyrare, though that's that's like
saying, well, could a car'sbrakes just all of a sudden go
off?
Well, yeah, they could, butthat's very, very rare that that
happens like that.
So yeah no, typically the onlyway that a firearm would go off
(26:31):
is if someone actually pressedthe trigger, and then it could
be accidentally, but thatsomeone actually pressed the
trigger, and so that's why youalways want to, you know, point
your firearm in a safe direction, whether it's at home, you're
cleaning it, or whether it's atthe range.
You always want to put it in asafe direction because you know
something could happenAccidentally.
(26:53):
You press the trigger and someof the triggers, especially when
you're talking aboutcompetition firearms.
The trigger and some of thetriggers, especially when you're
talking about, um, competitionfirearms, the trigger is
extremely light.
Oh, if you've ever had what'scalled a double action like a
revolver, and it's been likereally, really hard to press and
and and people think that allguns are like that, not at all,
not all.
Some are like literally so, um,and those, but those are
(27:17):
competition and most peopledon't have competition, yeah,
competition firearms, but, butsome of them can be very, very
easy to press.
So you always have to becareful about this direction and
to keep your finger on thetrigger.
That's the first thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
There you go, there you go.
Well, jerry, thank you so muchfor taking time out of your day
to be here.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, thank you so much, Robin, for inviting me,
and I had a pleasure, and Icannot wait to see how this
turns out, because I'm soexcited to share it and share
what you do too.
So you've had some interestingconversations, so I would love
for people to see yours as well.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Oh, thank you so much .
I appreciate it.
Okay, you take care.
All right, bye.
I told you Jerry was the realdeal.
Thank you so much for beinghere and sharing your time and
knowledge with us, jerry.
I hope this conversation leftyou feeling inspired, educated
and maybe even a little morecurious about stepping into your
own power.
(28:12):
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amazing classes for yourself,head over to
beempoweredtacticalcom.
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