January 12, 2025 • 22 mins
Can hustle culture truly lead to success, or is it just a modern-day myth? Join us as we kick off the 101st episode of "A Blonde, A Brunette and A Mic" with a spirited discussion exploring the fine line between ambition and personal life. Michele brings warmth from her cozy ski lodge retreat, while Julee shares tales from the holidays in Austin. We chat on the generational shift in work-life balance, sparked by insight from Julee's son, Andrew, as we dissect the rise of side hustles and question if relentless working is overrated. We unpack the mindset of hustle culture and reflect on our own workaholic tendencies, offering a fresh perspective on what it truly means to work hard today.
Navigating the murky waters of rumor mills and friendships, we contemplate the ethical dilemmas surrounding infidelity. Should you inform someone about their partner's potential betrayal? With personal stories, we bring to light the intricacies of loyalty, discretion, and the often unseen dynamics of relationships. As we weigh the emotional impact of rumors, we emphasize the need for thoughtful consideration before spreading potentially damaging gossip. Wrapping up on a lighter note, join us in exploring our quirky pineapple preferences while encouraging you to connect with us on social media. Whether you’re a pineapple enthusiast or simply curious about our playful banter, this episode promises reflection, laughter, and maybe a new take on your favorite fruit!
Are you ready to take your "spiciness" to the next level?!
Connect with Julee & Michele on Instagram @spicy_midlife_women and send a DM about what resonated most during this episode so they can encourage you with steps forward in your own life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody.
This is Michelle and this isJulie.
Welcome to a blonde, a brunetteand a mic podcast.
What is our podcast all about,you ask?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, we're 250 something.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Women with life experience and oh bloody to say,
which is exactly what we'regonna do right now.
Happy Sunday.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Jules, happy Sunday to you too.
We're having a little Sundaysesh today, aren't we?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We are.
I came up here to have coffeewith Julie and just chitty chat
a little bit before we recordedand we ended up talking about a
whole bunch of different thingsand I told her I was like we
should be recording right now.
Yeah, it's like a little Sundaysesh.
We got going on.
So that's what we're going todo today.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Wonderful, Wonderful.
Well, just to kind of wrap thisup, we are going into our we're
in 2025.
Yeah, and this is going to beour 101st episode.
I guess you could say In three.
Yeah, and we have a.
You know our technicaldifficulties.
I'm going to just tell on us weare.
(01:07):
We've been doing this for twoseasons.
You'd think we'd figure it outby now, but at any rate, we are
going into this and we had aguest that we were going to
record today and now we're goingto record with her next week.
She had a little more burstthan we were.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It was kind of funny.
It's all part of the journey,man, that we were.
It was all part of the journeyman, that's how I look at it too
, you know just like life.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're starting the new year off right with
Michelle going skiing eventhough she doesn't ski.
I was bunny lodging it.
She was bunny lodging.
That's exactly what I would bedoing.
I'd be sitting up there with mylittle hot toddy and like
reading a book or something, andjust waiting for know them to
come off the slopes and be allcold.
(01:52):
Yep, that's right.
They're like where you at.
I'm like up by the fire.
Yeah, that's a smart place tobe.
Yeah, I was in austin, as weknow, because we recorded on new
year's eve and just said hey toeverybody and it was 80 degrees
there and I I could not believeI was sitting at a pool I know
that's, that's crazy.
New Year's Eve.
So that's not the case anymore.
It's not like that.
But we have, as we mentioned onour last episode, this new
(02:13):
little thing we're adding intothe end, which is called what
the hell Ring that bell.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got my bell.
Look at this cute little bell.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Let me just show An antique bell.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's like it's an antique bell from Grand Rapids,
Minnesota.
I got it from my grandma.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So anyway, just kind of a fun little thing to add to
the end.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But in our Sunday sesh today we just had a few
things that we were going aboutwas giving hustle culture too
much credit, and do we do that?
So when Julie brought thattopic up, I was like, wait,
(02:54):
let's talk about hustle cultureFirst of all.
What is hustle culture?
That's kind of a tongue twister.
Say it 10 times fast.
What is hustle culture, Jules?
That's kind of a tongue twister.
Say it 10 times fast.
But what is hustle culture,Jules?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So basically, it's another way of saying the
mindset of being a workaholic ina lot of ways.
So when you talk hustle, we'retalking about people that are,
you know, working so hard to getahead.
They're putting in all thehours, those kinds of jobs that
you know that you feel like youneed to do that in order to get
(03:26):
ahead.
Nordstrom, nordstrom oh, I wasgoing to say attorneys.
You know, they do those.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh yeah, there's that too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Nordstrom.
Honestly, it's like no shade.
Okay, best in peace, lovedworking at Nordstrom?
Yeah, I got to tell you thewhole family balance bullshit
was just that bullshit we werenot family, we were not balanced
, we were very driven.
But I think too, michelle, partof that is the generation we
come from.
(03:56):
Sure, worked tons of hours, Iliked it and now I look at it
totally different as I've gottenolder and when you look at my
oldest, for example, when hemoved over to Austin he's like
(04:18):
I'll take a pay cut if I have toto have more balance, to be
able to work at home part of thetime.
And I'm just looking and I'mgoing, wow, that is a very
different shift from Well.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
if there's anything they learned from our generation
, it's probably that Well.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think you're absolutely right, because we
didn't get to be into a placewhere we were really enjoying a
lot of the things.
I mean, remember, it's likewe're going from one thing to
the next, the next.
I'm not complaining.
I'm just saying this is thestate of what it was and you
know that superwoman syndromethat I felt like I definitely
possessed, like I felt like Icould do everything, which in
(04:47):
reality, you're doing almosteverything, and you're doing a
lot of it half-assed right,let's just be real right so what
are your thoughts on hustleculture now?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
well, when I heard the term hustle culture, I
immediately thought of the sidehustle.
Okay, because that's whateverything is about now.
So many people have that sidehustle, so there's influencers
that do that as a side hustle.
There's a lot of different sidehustling things that people do
(05:21):
and my question is okay, back toAndrew's point.
So those people that give upsomething so they have more
balance, but then financiallythey're doing the side hustle
thing, and so there we are again, being a workaholic, no matter
what, whether we're backing offin the real-time job and doing
the hide hustle, side hustle.
(05:43):
I like hide hustle.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I wonder, what that is.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Anyways, either way, it's consuming and the bottom
line it's because of howexpensive it is to live life now
in general, Okay, so let's goback to that for a second,
because I just visited my verysweet friend in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I told you about a very different perspective on
what we need.
He lives more simply, I wouldsay, and just he's got all his
stuff that he needs, but he'snot one that has got all this
extra extravagance.
Right so there's that right?
Yeah, Because what I think iswhat I need is different than
(06:28):
what someone else thinks is whatthey need, and so that what I
need costs more money, obviously, than you know, like what he
needed costs more money.
It's just a different way oflooking at things.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Sure, and there is living within your means, right.
So yeah, bottom line, I think,as we're talking, I'm realizing
it all comes down to choices aswell, which I know it's not like
I'm just realizing that, butyou know it's just like the
couple that chooses to livesimply so that don't cringe
(06:59):
Jules, but so that the wife canstay home with the kids and do
the wife and mother things.
Can the husband stay home withthe kids?
Either or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay, so I know people that.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Do that too.
So and you know.
Whatever, whoever thebreadwinner is, it doesn't
really matter, I'm not cringingabout it Completely A little bit
.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
No, it's just I.
I just look at it differently,probably because I never would
have been the mom that wouldhave stayed home full time, yeah
, and I was when I was home Iwould just spend money like I
would decorate and I would doall these different things that
I didn't have time to do.
Pardon me, um, but for the kidsI think that probably, you know
, they got the best of quoteboth worlds.
(07:39):
I don't know there's ways tolook at it, but our part of the
country if you don't have a sidehustle.
It's probably a little bitunusual in some respects, and I
kind of dig side hustles Now,the main hustle that we were
talking about with your regularjob.
Obviously, we all want to besuccessful with what we do.
(08:01):
We want to be able to earn agood living.
We want to be able to, you know, be able to live the way we
want to live.
None of that's changed in mymind, but how I go about doing
it is a little bit different.
Yeah, and it's not.
It's because the environment'sdifferent.
Being self-employed, if you'renot a hustler, you you know,
you're not going to do okay.
That's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I think, personalities.
Uh, to be an entrepreneur andown your own business, you have
to be a hustler anyways, so youalready have that mentality,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah.
And then in terms of sidehustles, like we've got, like
this is a side hustle, but it'snot something that we've done
for money.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I guess it's more of a hobby.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But like the Airbnbs that I have the investment
properties.
That's a total side hustle.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Is stripping on a pole a side hustle?
Yeah, something you do on theweekends.
Working on a pole Make a bank.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, that would not be me.
Trust me, I know, but you getmy drift.
Yes, but mean.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But I know there's.
I know people have done notaryloan signings as a side hustle.
I actually licensed in thatmyself during the pandemic when
I wasn't working.
I was going to explore that butI didn't.
I got certified and I did allthat stuff but it wasn't.
It was not my jam, so I didn'tdo it.
(09:20):
And you have to love or reallylike or enjoy if you're going to
be putting a good portion ofyour time into doing stuff like
that.
You have to enjoy what it is100% have to have to enjoy it, I
mean true, Otherwise what isthe?
point.
But you can, there's money tobe made there.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But even like Isaac, you know, it's like he was
outside that kid's a hustler.
He was outside hustling, he wasdoing his you know delivery
thing and he was doing that.
Was it Uber Eats?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A lot of different things, just whatever he needed
to do yeah, and I think that,with our economy and the way
things are, a lot of people areimpacted.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
There's a lot of people that aren't impacted,
yeah no-transcript and if youside hustle knock yourself out,
(10:32):
I'm all about it, love it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I.
I think it's the coolest thingever, uh.
But I personally feel like ifit's something you're going to
do, you want to do somethingthat you enjoy, you know, if
it's going to take your time.
That is something you enjoy.
Ditto dat, Ditto dat.
Another way of saying that iscopy-paste.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Ditto, dat, copy-paste.
Another question.
Yeah, let's just slide rightinto another topic here.
What about and we've talkedabout this in other episodes,
but I wanted to bring it upagain because it's been a while
Should you tell your friend iftheir partner is cheating?
(11:11):
Are you asking me?
I'm asking you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I absolutely, 100% believe we should be telling our
friends Should, so that meansyou would, yes, I would.
Should, so that means you would, yes, I would.
Now, there's caveats to that,obviously, because you know,
(11:36):
especially if they're married,you've got situations where you
don't guy code, whatever youwant to call it.
It's like if, michelle, if you,if I was with somebody and you
knew that person was beingunfaithful or dishonest or
whatever you know with me andyou didn't tell me, I would feel
so betrayed.
I, yeah, you know.
I would tell you.
(11:56):
Yeah, I know.
But I'm just saying it's like alot of people are like it's not
my business.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I'm staying out of it .
You know, blah, blah, blah, andit's like you know, there's
people, somebody that you knowor are acquainted with.
It may be an acquaintance, andyou see them out to dinner with
somebody that is not theirspouse or significant other,
right, right, of course it'sgoing to make you go, hmm, but
based on the fact that it's anacquaintance and you don't know
what that situation is, thatinstance, I would keep my mouth
(12:53):
shut.
That's not my business to besaying anything to anybody.
Saying anything to anybody,like I shouldn't be saying hey,
well, I might with you, yeah,but you know, hey, jules, but as
far as you know, talking aboutit with multiple people say, hey
, you know what I saw, so-and-soisn't blah, blah, blah, blah,
(13:15):
blah, blah, cause.
Then that's just like no good.
That's no good, that is beinglike the wrong kind of catalyst
and that's just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know they might be in an open relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
If you got to know thecircumstances, this relationship
or something that's OK withwhomever their person is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You just don't know, Right?
I mean, it's not anything thatwe would have privileged
information about Right.
So, yeah, I get what you'resaying.
I have been in this situationbefore, unfortunately, but I was
not given direct feedback aboutanything.
It was more kind of like hey,did you notice?
And, of course, when you're inlove L-O-V-E, l-u-v, whatever
(13:58):
you call it you think you're inlove, you find ways to justify a
lot of things.
Or you, and you don't evenrealize you're doing it Right,
you want to give people thebenefit of the doubt, you're too
trusting, blah, blah, blah, allthose things.
Well, had my dear friend justcome out and said I think this
is happening.
These are the reasons why Imight have looked at it a little
(14:20):
bit differently.
Yeah, but in that respect Ididn't, I didn't.
I just kind of I felt like shewas trying to rain on my parade
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's how it felt.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, totally right, and she was like I'm just going
to be there for her to catch her, you know from you and I but
you know that was come to me andpass along a rumor to me that
(14:51):
she had heard and she wasn't aperson who I would um was.
She was not a gossiper at allshe was not a person who wanted
to create drama or anything.
That was just not her jam.
And there are parts of me thatbelieved her honestly, parts of
me that were kind of, becausethere were all these other
little weird things that werehappening.
Yeah, whether it was true ornot, I don't even know, and it's
(15:13):
so old it doesn't really matterat this point, but it did
impact our she and I, itimpacted our friendship and it
definitely impacted, you know,uh, my marriage.
I would say, how did she.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm curious now, how did she present it?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
because I'm did it was more kind of like she wanted
to make me aware of thesethings that she was hearing.
So there was all this.
Uh, that's respectable though,isn't it?
I'm sorry, that's respectablethough, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
yeah, I don't think she was being disrespectful at
all like just saying, because II mean that's a whole another
instance as you're talking aboutthis, um, you know, if somebody
like I was saying how, you justdon't talk about it, right, but
if you are a person that didhear something, because somebody
shared information with you asand it is a rumor, right, I mean
(16:06):
that's hard to, unless unlessit's a close friend, because I'm
I'm just like you not tellingme that's what I mean like if
somebody did say oh, I heard, Isaw this or I heard people
talking about and this is whatthey're saying, I'd be like, I
mean, I would bring thatinformation to you and say
apparently this is flying aroundthe rumor handle right and just
(16:28):
want you to know so in me,instead of like trying to maybe
handle it more objectively, muchmore emotional
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I think, but now I handled it and again it doesn't
the.
The end result isn't really asimportant at this point as what
happened and how it happened soI uh, I think it affected my
relationship with her because itaffected her relationship with
him, and it was like I had tomake a choice.
You know, my family or myfriends, it was really what it
(17:00):
kind of boiled down to yeah, andshe just, you know, to this day
I regret a lot of that, butanyway, that's a whole other
topic.
I'm just getting into this totell you that it can create
problems too, yeah, especiallyif it's not handled
appropriately.
You also have people that don'twant to know.
Right, you know what it's like.
What they don't know isn'tgoing to hurt them.
(17:21):
They don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Let me just put my rose colored glasses on.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, exactly, and you know that is a whole nother
bag of tricks.
If you ask me, you know ifyou're in a relationship, I
don't know.
And then there's the wholething about again open
relationships or understandingspeople may have that you are
obviously not privileged to, soare you creating more drama?
So I would say anything that Iwould bring forward to a friend
(17:49):
or to someone who's very dear tome would have to be something
that I felt like I could backwhat I was saying.
Probably not a rumor, Because Idon't want to be responsible
for creating anger or anythingelse.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, or divisiveness, becausewhat will happen is, you know,
(18:11):
if they're, especially ifthey're married, or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
This is really making me think this one, this
particular one, the rumor one,because I'm thinking if somebody
like shared information, thatwas rumors going around about
you, I would want you to know.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, but it's like the second third.
It's like I heard this from soand so who got this from so and
so you know I know that's.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's what I mean.
I mean you got to take that forwhat it is and as well where
the origin came from.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I didn't uh necessarily uh have good
feelings about yeah, like theywere purposely trying, yeah,
yeah I feel like there werevindictive people, so there was
that too, yeah, so a lot ofquestion marks I know it was
ugly.
It was weird, weird and ugly butI guess to my it doesn't really
change how I look at it I stillthink that it's important that
(19:04):
you you gotta have the back ofyour friends or your family on
situations like that.
Yeah, uh, if it's somethingthat impacts their decision
making, how their life is lived,you know that's part of being a
friend, sure, so that's my twocents on that one.
Yeah, are we ringing that bell?
We're already ringing the bell.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, we are ringing that bell because I am dying to
know is it okay to havepineapple on pizza?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I guess it depends what your activities are going
to be later, right?
No, I'm just kidding.
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I'm not.
We all know about pineapple,right?
You add pineapple to yourregimen.
You add pineapple, pineapplejuice to your regimen, guys and
gals.
Makes everything, everything alittle bit sweeter, yeah, a
little bit sweeter.
So put some pineapple on thatpizza.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So we're in agreement on the pineapple on the pizza
thing I'm in agreement onpineapple in general, I don't
like pineapple on my pizza.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I mean, do you?
Yeah, I don't.
I don't like pineapple on pizza.
I don't think pineapple belongson pizza.
It's just not a thing for me.
So, hawaiian, whatever, I don'tlike that.
But she's a big advocate ofpineapple.
Yes, I am a big advocate ofconsuming pineapple.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, so you know what they have.
Just so you know.
Low sugar pineapple juice.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Are we talking about the vajayjay again?
Hey, I didn't say anythingabout that, I'm just sitting
here thinking I'm like the lastring the bell was had to do with
that, and here we are again.
We're back into the vajayjays.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, With the bell we're back into very sweet
jayjays.
I guess.
On that note.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Michelle, yeah, on that note, make sure to eat your
pineapple and follow us on allthe socials as well, because
that's just as sweet.
Yes, oh my God.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But yeah, youtube.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Instagram TikTok, if it's still going to be around.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't know what that's all about, but my, my
daughter told me that, startingJanuary 21st, it's going to be
banned.
Yeah, that's this is.
I don't know if it's going tobe banned or not, but I said you
know what?
Don't worry about it, there'sstipulations surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Come our way, yeah so , whatever you were Spotify, uh,
youtube, instagram, facebookwe're out on all the socials,
everywhere you guys love to hearfrom you.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Pineapple or no pineapple?
Yeah, give it a try.
Some people have a preference.
Prove us wrong.
Some people don't know thatthey have a preference yet, but
they might find out sooner orlater.
Do it, I don't know.
Don't know what you don't know.
I mean you are, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, don't know, don't know what you don't know.
I mean, you are, you know, yeah, what you eat, what you eat.
Okay, all right, on that note,ciao, see ya.
Hey everybody.
This is Michelle and this isJulie.
Welcome to a blonde, a brunetteand a mic podcast.
What is our podcast all about,you ask?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, we're 250 something.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Women with life experience and oh bloody to say,
which is exactly what we'regonna do right now.
Happy Sunday.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Jules, happy Sunday to you too.
We're having a little Sundaysesh today, aren't we?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We are.
I came up here to have coffeewith Julie and just chitty chat
a little bit before we recordedand we ended up talking about a
whole bunch of different thingsand I told her I was like we
should be recording right now.
Yeah, it's like a little Sundaysesh.
We got going on.
So that's what we're going todo today.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Wonderful, Wonderful.
Well, just to kind of wrap thisup, we are going into our we're
in 2025.
Yeah, and this is going to beour 101st episode.
I guess you could say In three.
Yeah, and we have a.
You know our technicaldifficulties.
I'm going to just tell on us weare.
(01:07):
We've been doing this for twoseasons.
You'd think we'd figure it outby now, but at any rate, we are
going into this and we had aguest that we were going to
record today and now we're goingto record with her next week.
She had a little more burstthan we were.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It was kind of funny.
It's all part of the journey,man, that we were.
It was all part of the journeyman, that's how I look at it too
, you know just like life.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So we're starting the new year off right with
Michelle going skiing eventhough she doesn't ski.
I was bunny lodging it.
She was bunny lodging.
That's exactly what I would bedoing.
I'd be sitting up there with mylittle hot toddy and like
reading a book or something, andjust waiting for know them to
come off the slopes and be allcold.
(01:52):
Yep, that's right.
They're like where you at.
I'm like up by the fire.
Yeah, that's a smart place tobe.
Yeah, I was in austin, as weknow, because we recorded on new
year's eve and just said hey toeverybody and it was 80 degrees
there and I I could not believeI was sitting at a pool I know
that's, that's crazy.
New Year's Eve.
So that's not the case anymore.
It's not like that.
But we have, as we mentioned onour last episode, this new
(02:13):
little thing we're adding intothe end, which is called what
the hell Ring that bell.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got my bell.
Look at this cute little bell.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Let me just show An antique bell.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's like it's an antique bell from Grand Rapids,
Minnesota.
I got it from my grandma.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So anyway, just kind of a fun little thing to add to
the end.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But in our Sunday sesh today we just had a few
things that we were going aboutwas giving hustle culture too
much credit, and do we do that?
So when Julie brought thattopic up, I was like, wait,
(02:54):
let's talk about hustle cultureFirst of all.
What is hustle culture?
That's kind of a tongue twister.
Say it 10 times fast.
What is hustle culture, Jules?
That's kind of a tongue twister.
Say it 10 times fast.
But what is hustle culture,Jules?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So basically, it's another way of saying the
mindset of being a workaholic ina lot of ways.
So when you talk hustle, we'retalking about people that are,
you know, working so hard to getahead.
They're putting in all thehours, those kinds of jobs that
you know that you feel like youneed to do that in order to get
(03:26):
ahead.
Nordstrom, nordstrom oh, I wasgoing to say attorneys.
You know, they do those.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh yeah, there's that too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Nordstrom.
Honestly, it's like no shade.
Okay, best in peace, lovedworking at Nordstrom?
Yeah, I got to tell you thewhole family balance bullshit
was just that bullshit we werenot family, we were not balanced
, we were very driven.
But I think too, michelle, partof that is the generation we
come from.
(03:56):
Sure, worked tons of hours, Iliked it and now I look at it
totally different as I've gottenolder and when you look at my
oldest, for example, when hemoved over to Austin he's like
(04:18):
I'll take a pay cut if I have toto have more balance, to be
able to work at home part of thetime.
And I'm just looking and I'mgoing, wow, that is a very
different shift from Well.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
if there's anything they learned from our generation
, it's probably that Well.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think you're absolutely right, because we
didn't get to be into a placewhere we were really enjoying a
lot of the things.
I mean, remember, it's likewe're going from one thing to
the next, the next.
I'm not complaining.
I'm just saying this is thestate of what it was and you
know that superwoman syndromethat I felt like I definitely
possessed, like I felt like Icould do everything, which in
(04:47):
reality, you're doing almosteverything, and you're doing a
lot of it half-assed right,let's just be real right so what
are your thoughts on hustleculture now?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
well, when I heard the term hustle culture, I
immediately thought of the sidehustle.
Okay, because that's whateverything is about now.
So many people have that sidehustle, so there's influencers
that do that as a side hustle.
There's a lot of different sidehustling things that people do
(05:21):
and my question is okay, back toAndrew's point.
So those people that give upsomething so they have more
balance, but then financiallythey're doing the side hustle
thing, and so there we are again, being a workaholic, no matter
what, whether we're backing offin the real-time job and doing
the hide hustle, side hustle.
(05:43):
I like hide hustle.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I wonder, what that is.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Anyways, either way, it's consuming and the bottom
line it's because of howexpensive it is to live life now
in general, Okay, so let's goback to that for a second,
because I just visited my verysweet friend in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I told you about a very different perspective on
what we need.
He lives more simply, I wouldsay, and just he's got all his
stuff that he needs, but he'snot one that has got all this
extra extravagance.
Right so there's that right?
Yeah, Because what I think iswhat I need is different than
(06:28):
what someone else thinks is whatthey need, and so that what I
need costs more money, obviously, than you know, like what he
needed costs more money.
It's just a different way oflooking at things.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Sure, and there is living within your means, right.
So yeah, bottom line, I think,as we're talking, I'm realizing
it all comes down to choices aswell, which I know it's not like
I'm just realizing that, butyou know it's just like the
couple that chooses to livesimply so that don't cringe
(06:59):
Jules, but so that the wife canstay home with the kids and do
the wife and mother things.
Can the husband stay home withthe kids?
Either or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay, so I know people that.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Do that too.
So and you know.
Whatever, whoever thebreadwinner is, it doesn't
really matter, I'm not cringingabout it Completely A little bit
.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
No, it's just I.
I just look at it differently,probably because I never would
have been the mom that wouldhave stayed home full time, yeah
, and I was when I was home Iwould just spend money like I
would decorate and I would doall these different things that
I didn't have time to do.
Pardon me, um, but for the kidsI think that probably, you know
, they got the best of quoteboth worlds.
(07:39):
I don't know there's ways tolook at it, but our part of the
country if you don't have a sidehustle.
It's probably a little bitunusual in some respects, and I
kind of dig side hustles Now,the main hustle that we were
talking about with your regularjob.
Obviously, we all want to besuccessful with what we do.
(08:01):
We want to be able to earn agood living.
We want to be able to, you know, be able to live the way we
want to live.
None of that's changed in mymind, but how I go about doing
it is a little bit different.
Yeah, and it's not.
It's because the environment'sdifferent.
Being self-employed, if you'renot a hustler, you you know,
you're not going to do okay.
That's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I think, personalities.
Uh, to be an entrepreneur andown your own business, you have
to be a hustler anyways, so youalready have that mentality,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah.
And then in terms of sidehustles, like we've got, like
this is a side hustle, but it'snot something that we've done
for money.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I guess it's more of a hobby.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But like the Airbnbs that I have the investment
properties.
That's a total side hustle.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Is stripping on a pole a side hustle?
Yeah, something you do on theweekends.
Working on a pole Make a bank.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, that would not be me.
Trust me, I know, but you getmy drift.
Yes, but mean.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But I know there's.
I know people have done notaryloan signings as a side hustle.
I actually licensed in thatmyself during the pandemic when
I wasn't working.
I was going to explore that butI didn't.
I got certified and I did allthat stuff but it wasn't.
It was not my jam, so I didn'tdo it.
(09:20):
And you have to love or reallylike or enjoy if you're going to
be putting a good portion ofyour time into doing stuff like
that.
You have to enjoy what it is100% have to have to enjoy it, I
mean true, Otherwise what isthe?
point.
But you can, there's money tobe made there.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But even like Isaac, you know, it's like he was
outside that kid's a hustler.
He was outside hustling, he wasdoing his you know delivery
thing and he was doing that.
Was it Uber Eats?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A lot of different things, just whatever he needed
to do yeah, and I think that,with our economy and the way
things are, a lot of people areimpacted.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
There's a lot of people that aren't impacted,
yeah no-transcript and if youside hustle knock yourself out,
(10:32):
I'm all about it, love it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I.
I think it's the coolest thingever, uh.
But I personally feel like ifit's something you're going to
do, you want to do somethingthat you enjoy, you know, if
it's going to take your time.
That is something you enjoy.
Ditto dat, Ditto dat.
Another way of saying that iscopy-paste.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Ditto, dat, copy-paste.
Another question.
Yeah, let's just slide rightinto another topic here.
What about and we've talkedabout this in other episodes,
but I wanted to bring it upagain because it's been a while
Should you tell your friend iftheir partner is cheating?
(11:11):
Are you asking me?
I'm asking you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I absolutely, 100% believe we should be telling our
friends Should, so that meansyou would, yes, I would.
Should, so that means you would, yes, I would.
Now, there's caveats to that,obviously, because you know,
(11:36):
especially if they're married,you've got situations where you
don't guy code, whatever youwant to call it.
It's like if, michelle, if you,if I was with somebody and you
knew that person was beingunfaithful or dishonest or
whatever you know with me andyou didn't tell me, I would feel
so betrayed.
I, yeah, you know.
I would tell you.
(11:56):
Yeah, I know.
But I'm just saying it's like alot of people are like it's not
my business.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I'm staying out of it .
You know, blah, blah, blah, andit's like you know, there's
people, somebody that you knowor are acquainted with.
It may be an acquaintance, andyou see them out to dinner with
somebody that is not theirspouse or significant other,
right, right, of course it'sgoing to make you go, hmm, but
based on the fact that it's anacquaintance and you don't know
what that situation is, thatinstance, I would keep my mouth
(12:53):
shut.
That's not my business to besaying anything to anybody.
Saying anything to anybody,like I shouldn't be saying hey,
well, I might with you, yeah,but you know, hey, jules, but as
far as you know, talking aboutit with multiple people say, hey
, you know what I saw, so-and-soisn't blah, blah, blah, blah,
(13:15):
blah, blah, cause.
Then that's just like no good.
That's no good, that is beinglike the wrong kind of catalyst
and that's just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know they might be in an open relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
If you got to know thecircumstances, this relationship
or something that's OK withwhomever their person is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You just don't know, Right?
I mean, it's not anything thatwe would have privileged
information about Right.
So, yeah, I get what you'resaying.
I have been in this situationbefore, unfortunately, but I was
not given direct feedback aboutanything.
It was more kind of like hey,did you notice?
And, of course, when you're inlove L-O-V-E, l-u-v, whatever
(13:58):
you call it you think you're inlove, you find ways to justify a
lot of things.
Or you, and you don't evenrealize you're doing it Right,
you want to give people thebenefit of the doubt, you're too
trusting, blah, blah, blah, allthose things.
Well, had my dear friend justcome out and said I think this
is happening.
These are the reasons why Imight have looked at it a little
(14:20):
bit differently.
Yeah, but in that respect Ididn't, I didn't.
I just kind of I felt like shewas trying to rain on my parade
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's how it felt.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, totally right, and she was like I'm just going
to be there for her to catch her, you know from you and I but
you know that was come to me andpass along a rumor to me that
(14:51):
she had heard and she wasn't aperson who I would um was.
She was not a gossiper at allshe was not a person who wanted
to create drama or anything.
That was just not her jam.
And there are parts of me thatbelieved her honestly, parts of
me that were kind of, becausethere were all these other
little weird things that werehappening.
Yeah, whether it was true ornot, I don't even know, and it's
(15:13):
so old it doesn't really matterat this point, but it did
impact our she and I, itimpacted our friendship and it
definitely impacted, you know,uh, my marriage.
I would say, how did she.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm curious now, how did she present it?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
because I'm did it was more kind of like she wanted
to make me aware of thesethings that she was hearing.
So there was all this.
Uh, that's respectable though,isn't it?
I'm sorry, that's respectablethough, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
yeah, I don't think she was being disrespectful at
all like just saying, because II mean that's a whole another
instance as you're talking aboutthis, um, you know, if somebody
like I was saying how, you justdon't talk about it, right, but
if you are a person that didhear something, because somebody
shared information with you asand it is a rumor, right, I mean
(16:06):
that's hard to, unless unlessit's a close friend, because I'm
I'm just like you not tellingme that's what I mean like if
somebody did say oh, I heard, Isaw this or I heard people
talking about and this is whatthey're saying, I'd be like, I
mean, I would bring thatinformation to you and say
apparently this is flying aroundthe rumor handle right and just
(16:28):
want you to know so in me,instead of like trying to maybe
handle it more objectively, muchmore emotional
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I think, but now I handled it and again it doesn't
the.
The end result isn't really asimportant at this point as what
happened and how it happened soI uh, I think it affected my
relationship with her because itaffected her relationship with
him, and it was like I had tomake a choice.
You know, my family or myfriends, it was really what it
(17:00):
kind of boiled down to yeah, andshe just, you know, to this day
I regret a lot of that, butanyway, that's a whole other
topic.
I'm just getting into this totell you that it can create
problems too, yeah, especiallyif it's not handled
appropriately.
You also have people that don'twant to know.
Right, you know what it's like.
What they don't know isn'tgoing to hurt them.
(17:21):
They don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Let me just put my rose colored glasses on.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, exactly, and you know that is a whole nother
bag of tricks.
If you ask me, you know ifyou're in a relationship, I
don't know.
And then there's the wholething about again open
relationships or understandingspeople may have that you are
obviously not privileged to, soare you creating more drama?
So I would say anything that Iwould bring forward to a friend
(17:49):
or to someone who's very dear tome would have to be something
that I felt like I could backwhat I was saying.
Probably not a rumor, Because Idon't want to be responsible
for creating anger or anythingelse.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, or divisiveness, becausewhat will happen is, you know,
(18:11):
if they're, especially ifthey're married, or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
This is really making me think this one, this
particular one, the rumor one,because I'm thinking if somebody
like shared information, thatwas rumors going around about
you, I would want you to know.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, but it's like the second third.
It's like I heard this from soand so who got this from so and
so you know I know that's.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
That's what I mean.
I mean you got to take that forwhat it is and as well where
the origin came from.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I didn't uh necessarily uh have good
feelings about yeah, like theywere purposely trying, yeah,
yeah I feel like there werevindictive people, so there was
that too, yeah, so a lot ofquestion marks I know it was
ugly.
It was weird, weird and ugly butI guess to my it doesn't really
change how I look at it I stillthink that it's important that
(19:04):
you you gotta have the back ofyour friends or your family on
situations like that.
Yeah, uh, if it's somethingthat impacts their decision
making, how their life is lived,you know that's part of being a
friend, sure, so that's my twocents on that one.
Yeah, are we ringing that bell?
We're already ringing the bell.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, we are ringing that bell because I am dying to
know is it okay to havepineapple on pizza?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I guess it depends what your activities are going
to be later, right?
No, I'm just kidding.
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I'm not.
We all know about pineapple,right?
You add pineapple to yourregimen.
You add pineapple, pineapplejuice to your regimen, guys and
gals.
Makes everything, everything alittle bit sweeter, yeah, a
little bit sweeter.
So put some pineapple on thatpizza.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
So we're in agreement on the pineapple on the pizza
thing I'm in agreement onpineapple in general, I don't
like pineapple on my pizza.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I mean, do you?
Yeah, I don't.
I don't like pineapple on pizza.
I don't think pineapple belongson pizza.
It's just not a thing for me.
So, hawaiian, whatever, I don'tlike that.
But she's a big advocate ofpineapple.
Yes, I am a big advocate ofconsuming pineapple.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes, so you know what they have.
Just so you know.
Low sugar pineapple juice.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Are we talking about the vajayjay again?
Hey, I didn't say anythingabout that, I'm just sitting
here thinking I'm like the lastring the bell was had to do with
that, and here we are again.
We're back into the vajayjays.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, With the bell we're back into very sweet
jayjays.
I guess.
On that note.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Michelle, yeah, on that note, make sure to eat your
pineapple and follow us on allthe socials as well, because
that's just as sweet.
Yes, oh my God.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
But yeah, youtube.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Instagram TikTok, if it's still going to be around.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't know what that's all about, but my, my
daughter told me that, startingJanuary 21st, it's going to be
banned.
Yeah, that's this is.
I don't know if it's going tobe banned or not, but I said you
know what?
Don't worry about it, there'sstipulations surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Come our way, yeah so , whatever you were Spotify, uh,
youtube, instagram, facebookwe're out on all the socials,
everywhere you guys love to hearfrom you.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Pineapple or no pineapple?
Yeah, give it a try.
Some people have a preference.
Prove us wrong.
Some people don't know thatthey have a preference yet, but
they might find out sooner orlater.
Do it, I don't know.
Don't know what you don't know.
I mean you are, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, don't know, don't know what you don't know.
I mean, you are, you know, yeah, what you eat, what you eat.
Okay, all right, on that note,ciao, see ya.
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