February 9, 2025 • 28 mins
Ever wonder if men and women can truly be just friends, especially when there's a romantic history involved? Join us, Michele and Julee, as we unravel the complexities of male-female friendships within committed relationships. We kick off with a provocative narrative featuring Michele's son, who passionately argues against maintaining friendships with ex-partners. This leads us to explore personal stories and differing viewpoints on navigating these tricky waters.
Throughout our conversation, we highlight the vital role of communication and trust in overcoming potential hurdles when friends of the opposite gender are involved. The stereotypes that claim men and women can't just be friends are put under the microscope as we ponder the possibility of healthy platonic relationships, even with former flames. We share insights on recognizing red flags and balancing personal boundaries with trust in one's partner, urging listeners to approach each situation with empathy and openness.
In our journey through social dynamics, we touch upon the impact of introverted versus extroverted circles and how cultural differences can further complicate interactions. A personal story about a long-distance relationship between a Chicagoan and a Polish woman paints a vivid picture of the misunderstandings that can arise. With an emphasis on transparency, we question how past relationships affect current friendships and the potential implications of everyday actions, like meeting up with a former partner, on our current relationships. Join us for a thoughtful discussion on building enriched connections through effective communication and trust.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody.
This is Michelle and this isJulie.
Welcome to a blonde, a brunetteand a mic podcast.
What is our podcast all about,you ask?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, we're 250 something, women with life
experience and oh, plenty to saywhich is exactly what we're
gonna do right now.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi Michelle, hey Jules, how are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm doing great today .
Are you ready for some podcast?
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Ready.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're scrappy, and it's a good thing, it's really a
good thing.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Before we get started , I know Michelle wanted to
share a few thoughts with ouraudience.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I just wanted to thank everybody for listening
and, I guess, just sent out agentle reminder as well.
Continue the good work ofsubscribing, following and
sharing on all the socials andespecially on YouTube.
You know things are reallystarting to grow there.
We're super excited about it.
We have great things plannedfor 2025.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So just keep up the good work, y'all.
Yeah, that was what we werejust doing was our little
planning sesh that we had andall kinds of good stuff coming.
So again, as she said, thankyou so much for listening and
for being a part of our littlecommunity that we're creating.
We are super excited about itand we're having a lot of fun
with it, and it's all because ofyou guys, right?
Yes, ma'am.
So today we are going to getinto a topic that we have
discussed on many occasions buthave not actually put it on
(01:34):
paper until today.
We are going to actually record, and that topic is Michelle.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Um, is it possible for male and female
relationships to continue whenyou are in a relationship?
Okay, does that make sense yeah, totally makes sense to me.
Or male, and I should say maleand female friendships, which
are relationships, right?
Uh, can you have those if youare in a relationship and have a
(02:04):
partner?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So this started out with two separate questions,
really.
One of them was when we werediscussing it can men and women
be friends?
And my absolute answer to thatwas yes, 100% they can.
But I know we had inquired withsome other people as we were
kind of preparing for thisepisode, and you had a very
(02:25):
different response from one ofyour kids, didn't you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Because I asked that question.
I was like so do you think it'sokay to continue a friendship?
I'm just doing it how I posedit to him Is it okay to have a
friendship with somebody thatyou've been in a relationship
with in the past?
Is it okay to continue thatfriendship if you are now in a
relationship with somebody else?
(02:51):
Okay, did not even hesitate.
He said nope, nope, I mean, Iwas kind of expecting that, but
at the same time I was surprised.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it
too, I think some.
So we that was where the bigbone of contention was, because
not bone of contention, but wehad a difference of opinion on
those things and I think a lotof the I have a lot of male
friendships, or men that are arepeople that I am friends with,
I should say through the courseof my life.
(03:23):
Many that are.
Well, I say many.
It sounds like there's a lot,there's a little bit of
exaggeration, but there's a coregroup of guys, mostly from high
school, a couple from highschool that they're like my
brothers.
Yeah, and I would.
It's not like I see them everyday.
It's not like I talk to themevery day.
We're on social media, back andforth, you know all kinds of
(03:43):
banter and fun stuff.
I've never had a romanticrelationship with either one of
them.
There's never been any inklingof that.
It would be hard for me to saythat I wouldn't be able to be
friends, maintain a friendshipwith them because a person I was
in a relationship with said Icouldn't or didn't want me to,
because that to me speaks morein that scenario to the person
(04:06):
that's in the relationship,having some insecurities, maybe
from things that have happenedin the past, maybe from just,
you know, a lack of trust ingeneral for people because of
experiences that have takenplace.
What have you?
I don't know, but I would havea really.
I think I would have a reallyhard time with that, because it
would be basically saying thatyou're kind of cut off from the.
(04:26):
It's kind of isolating you.
You know what?
If, what?
If you know half of yourfriends are guys, because you
know you're an, you're anengineer and that's the only
people that you've been aroundyour whole life, you know who
knows yeah?
Or you have a lot of brothersand so you've been around guys
that have been a part of yourfamily or what have you.
Are you not allowed to befriends with them anymore?
(04:47):
That's where I would struggle.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah Well, and I think obviously there's.
these scenarios are situationaland they can be, so there's a
lot of factors that go into that.
I think, though, you know, ifwe stick to what you were saying
, you know, depending on if thisperson had some kind of
relationship trauma from thepast, sure, yeah, I think it
(05:13):
would take some flexibilitythere to come to some kind of
understanding, to where you knowbeing sympathetic with that
situation, whatever theyexperienced, and building the
trust to a point where they knowthat it's going to be different
with you, right?
(05:33):
Does that make sense?
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And that might take some time.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, it could take some time.
So now let's flip that over toyou.
Know the people that you havein your life.
Have you been in a romanticrelationship with or been in a
sexual relationship with asexual situation ship even with
and you know you don't have thatrelationship with them anymore,
but you're still friends notlike in depth, but you know
(05:58):
still friends.
So would those people be peoplethat you would not feel
comfortable being around ortalking to, or what have you if
you were in a relationship?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think it would be.
Yeah, I that's, I don't know.
I just I think it would be.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I, we.
This is what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And it's different when you've been married and
divorced, like if there's likeagain situational, there's all
these dependent factors, causeI'm just thinking obviously if
you're with somebody now that uhis divorced, you have children,
of course there's going to bethat relationship that continues
and carries on for the rest oflife.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, that's different.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's a given and that's different.
But if, uh, you know, if, ifyou, yeah, I just, I don't, I
don't know that, I, I, I justfor me it's like what's the
point.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, that's a great question and I think it just
depends.
It depends on what thatrelationship was like.
I mean, if it's very like Isaid, a surfacy type of
relationship.
Maybe it's not that big of adeal, you know, because you're
it's not someone who is going tobe you're going to miss them so
much in your life, right, right?
Or the relationship that youhave is way more important to
(07:09):
you than keeping a friendshipthat is not like a really deep
friendship, right, yeah, and Ithink that there's a lot of
value to that, sure, because itkind of, as we had been
discussing when we werepreparing for this, some of that
really does come down tomaintaining a level of respect
for your partner that, eventhough they might not say
(07:30):
anything, even though they maybe very confident people, that's
still something that maybe, inthe back of their mind, they
might be like I don't know, Idon't know if I feel comfortable
with that, or I don't know if Iit just it does.
It puts you at a kind of littlebit of a precarious place,
especially if there had beenfeelings, or there is a this,
(07:50):
you know, attraction or feelingsthat have not been resolved or
put to bed.
Maybe, that wasn't the best wayto put it Resolved and you know
there's there's no clarity on afriend zone, you know, or
(08:16):
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think that that's a .
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's a different thing.
I think the respect for yourperson is more consideration.
But if I did, it's like I'd be.
I guess I can't be friends withthat person anymore.
I mean, I would justautomatically probably eliminate
some of those friendships justbecause I wouldn't want to be
disrespectful to the person thatI was trying to focus my energy
and attention on.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Right, and that's the thing it's like.
If you are stepping into arelationship, that's where.
That is where all your time andenergy are going.
So if there's texting happening, you know with past
relationship people one.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
it's why here we go Leaving the door open, Like if
there's still feelings from thatperson like maybe you, maybe
you ended things with them.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
If there's still feelings with that person.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's a whole different.
That's a whole different thing,you know, because you are
definitely treading on very thinice in my, in my book.
There's too many things thatcan go wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
and again going back to the respect issue, Do you
think you would have a hard time?
I know you were saying youwould probably not be friends
because you're putting obviouslyif you're going into a
relationship, you're going tohave that time and energy going
into this relationship with thisperson, right?
Do you think you would have ahard time as you go on?
Because I know some of thesepeople that you do you know?
(09:42):
And they are like cool.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, there's like friendship there,
Situationship-wise.
It wasn't like the person I'mthinking of, it wasn't a
relationship with them, just youknow, kind of a situationship
sort of a thing, and you knowthere is nothing going on there,
but we banter, we have fun, wetalk back and forth.
I learn all kinds of new things.
He's hilarious.
(10:08):
Would someone understand thatrelationship or that friendship?
Would I bring him around?
I would totally bring himaround someone I was dating.
I wouldn't even feeluncomfortable about that.
But if my person would then,yeah, that would be a problem.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So let me ask you this Would your person know
about the situation ship?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I wouldn't keep that a secret.
Okay, yeah, I think that's kindof again, kind of it's lying by
omission in some ways.
I mean you're going to investthe energy to bring someone
around?
who used to be in a relationshipthat's a friend of yours now,
Right, and that goes back to canyou be friends with people that
you were in relationships withbefore?
And if it's platonic, I thinkif you've got like there's a
(10:57):
scenario I'm thinking of in myhead with someone who I was 100%
obsessed with when I was a kid,right or younger, and I have no
desire really to be in arelationship now.
I don't, I don't want that forme now.
I don't.
I think that he might want morethan that, Not maybe now, but
maybe down the road, and I don'twant to leave the impression
that that is that I don't wantto lead him on.
(11:19):
I guess, or put it, put myselfin a position where I'm speaking
out both sides of my mouthabout it and I found, in
conversation with talking tothis one person that I spend
time with on occasion, it wasmore like you got to shut that
shit down and I'm like, okay,because the impression from a
(11:41):
man getting a man's perspectivewas you need to be more clear
with your intention, or whatyour lack of intention is it was
a good learning for me,actually, because I was feeling
like maybe I'm dancing aroundthis topic too much, but maybe I
just needed to be more directabout it, because I was more
worried about, you know,creating problems, I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So communication obviously is a big one.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, If you're going to maintain a friendship, Right
Right, that's very veryimportant, I think, and a lot of
it goes back to, I think, yourrelationship with your person.
Yeah, because you may be in arelationship with your person,
because you may be in arelationship with a really
outgoing person who has a lot offriends, friends that are women
, friends that are men, I mean,I really don't care, I don't
(12:29):
think it would bother me.
I mean I've been inrelationships with people that
had women that were friends butthey hadn't ever been with them
like in a romantic way, but theywere friends and they were
single women, you know, whatever.
I just I don't know why.
I was just kind of like you gotto be in a place where you
maybe aren't second guessingthings or feeling so insecure
(12:50):
about it, just like, don't evenlike being in a place where
you're not even questioningthings Right?
Well, a lot of that has to dowith just getting to know those
people.
If those people are in yourperson's life, I want to know
who those people are.
Right, Because you're probablygoing to be spending time with
them.
Now.
If those people are like, whyare you bringing sand to the
beach?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know what I mean.
It's like.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That's a different story and actually I can think
of this one scenario where I was.
There was a big trip, kind of atrip being planned with a bunch
of college friends and I wasobviously just on the periphery
of some of these.
I was part of the conversationbut I wasn't really involved in
(13:29):
the conversation and had gottenup to run to the bathroom and,
you know, came back to the table, everything blah, blah, blah,
blah.
Well, the person I was withtold me that the girl who was at
the table married, had twins,was not in a romantic
relationship whatsoever withthis guy, had never been, had
always been friends, had toldhim and he was pissed.
He was like she said, why areyou bringing sand to the beach?
(13:51):
And I'm kind of like huh, andbasically that was saying why
are you bringing a girl with youwhen there's all these other
girls there, even though you'rein a committed relationship?
So that, to me, was the hugestred flag about spending time
around this person, because shecertainly wasn't encouraging him
to be in a relationship, right,and would probably put him in
(14:11):
circumstances or encouragecircumstances where you know
what she don't know won't hurther kind of a thing.
I know, wow, I know so itneedless to say, the sand did
not go to the beach.
I did not go to the beach.
I've never heard that youhaven't.
No, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was like, wow, okay , I mean it's a good scenario.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, it's good, but I mean, I did not go.
But at the same time, I wasjust like you know what,
whatever, whatever is going tohappen is going to happen.
I'm not going to try to make itbe something different.
I'm not going to step up and go.
No, I want to go because I'mworried about not having this.
You know, whatever, I'm notgoing to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
If this stuff's going to happen, it's going to happen
whether I'm there or not, right?
That's right.
Yeah, let me ask you this Doyou think men and women can be
friends, like, without therebeing anything?
You know?
There's kind of a stereotype,you know out there that men and
women can't be friends unlessyou know, without something
sexual happening, right?
Do you think there's any truthto that?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
No, I mean, I have friendships with people that I
have no inkling about.
Yeah, and honestly, if I was ina relationship with someone who
said I don't want you to befriends with them anymore, I
would really have to rethinkthat, because there's nothing
wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What if there's physical attraction there?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
That's a different story.
I think that's a littledifferent, I mean.
But I mean if there's nophysical attraction or anything
on your end or, moreover,they're probably more worried
about physical attraction on theother end, right From the
person that you're friends with.
But if it's this platonic thingthat that there's none of that
stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I'm just like bring them.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You guys, if you're're going bowling, you're
going to play pool, right, youknow you're going out to, you
know watch a band bring them,yeah, like why can't they be
friends?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
they're all part of your life.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Exactly that's kind of how I look at it so right, um
, so then.
Then that's the question do youthink that, uh, you could
maintain a friendship withsomebody who you had been in a
previous relationship with, ifyou were in a relationship?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I could maintain a friendship with somebody like
that Sure Would you feelcomfortable doing that if you
were in a relationship.
Probably not Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So would you feel like you're having to give?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
up something?
Well, it's just like no,probably not Okay.
So would you feel like you'rehaving to give up something?
Well, it's just like no, butlike so many dependent factors.
But I'm just thinking of, youknow, some of my past
relationships that I have beenin and I'm not friends with any
of them, so I guess that's theanswer right there it's just
like but that's just me, I thinkI'm just.
That's just me Right?
(16:59):
Well, it's just me Right.
Well, it's not like I'm friendswith, well, no, but when you
think about too, I lived inSpokane.
I didn't grow up here.
I've lived in this area, beingmarried most of the time For 26
years.
I was married with kids livingover here, so it's not like I
(17:20):
had a bunch of, you know, socialthings from my younger days and
people that I'd be hanging outwith or continuing keeping in
touch with Right, if that makessense.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But I think someone who's more introverted as well.
I'm not saying you'reintroverted, but I'm just
thinking about introvertedpeople.
They just don't have as manypeople in their life, in their
acquaintance circle.
You know, their core circle ispretty tight, probably uh, but
their acquaintance circle issmaller whereas there's people
that are like I'm in a reallysocial job.
(17:50):
It's like I'm around a lot ofpeople.
I'm around a lot of men, a lotof women.
I don't really look at it.
I don't look at it anydifferent than I than I would
anything else yeah, we go to
Speaker 1 (17:59):
happy hour we do this we do that, but there's no
sexual attraction as a singleperson, though you kind of have
to be aware of that, because noteverybody is too cool when the
single woman is hanging out andare social and friendly.
You and I are both that way.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Actually, that's a really good point.
That's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, I think it's important to be cognizant
of that because, there's otherwomen that might not be
comfortable with, even thoughit's just a friendship, a
working relationship, that kindof a thing.
There are other women thatmight not be okay with how
you're able to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
be okay with how you're able to do that it might
intimidate them in some ways youknow my reality TV kind of
obsession, right.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Oh guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's a little bit of my guilty pleasure and I don't
know, have any idea really why.
This is a pandemic thing thatstarted and now I'm just like I
just kind of love this stuff,but it's like really, when I
think about what I'm watching,it's like why am I doing that?
But anyway, I digress there.
There is one scenario and theseare true stories.
These are this one particularscenario is this kid from when I
(19:11):
say kid, he's 30, I think fromthe Chicago area and he meets
this girl from Poland.
She's with some people inChicago visiting and then they
meet at a party or something andthen she leaves to go back to
Poland.
Well, they stay in touch andlike eight, nine months go by or
whatever, and he flies outthere and she thinks he's going
to propose right, so theylong-distanced it.
(19:34):
This whole long-distance thingis going back and forth.
Well, he looked at the long-ddistance thing a little bit
different than she did, becausehe slept with somebody during
the timeframe that they were inthis, the very beginning of the
long distance thing, but therewasn't this committed thing.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
She didn't look at it that way at all.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right, but she's also younger and very innocent.
You know, it's kind of the waythat I and there was obviously
not a discussion that went onaround this but he has a good
circle of friends.
He's much more outgoing, social.
You can just tell he likes toparty.
He's around, but not in a bad.
I don't have this impressionthat he's like a hoe.
(20:14):
I think he's just, you know,just kind of a fun person, right
?
Yeah, and in this group offriends there is a woman that is
in this group that he datedlike seven years ago.
So they're all core group offriends, I think, from college
or something like that.
Platonic is all get out.
Now she's in anotherrelationship.
You know, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
(20:34):
Well, he didn't want to tell hisgirlfriend in Poland about this
woman that he had had arelationship or had slept with
her, because he knew how she wasgoing to respond and he didn't
even really think that it wasnecessary because it was so long
ago.
And they don't even I mean,it's like they're all hanging
out in front didn't even really,didn't really put a lot of
(20:55):
thought into it, Right, and itcomes up in the course of
conversation after this wholescenario has come up, about how
he didn't realize that he was ina relationship like committed
at the very beginning.
She forgave that and now thiscomes out and so she thinks he's
lying about it.
And I'm like that poor guy.
He cannot even catch a break.
He didn't say anything becausein his mind it's not relevant.
(21:19):
Number two she will not be okaywith it and will tell him he
cannot have her as a friend.
And he just didn't think it wasthat important and it came up,
you know, and so it looks likehe's being untruthful or he's
lying to her.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I don't think he was lying.
How did she find?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
out it was something, I don't remember exactly how
she found out.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
That's me asking the questions I know right, I don't
remember, I don't remember anddo you remember if the girl and
her did you say she is married.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
now I think she's married now or in a relationship
or something?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
yeah, Do you know if her husband or boyfriend cared?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
No, they're all friends.
Husband or boyfriend cared.
No, they're all friends,everybody's friends.
Okay, yeah.
It's literally not a big deal,and I think some of it is that
it's again we're talking alittle bit of cultural
difference too, I think, becauseyou know he's older and the
college days an American.
He just looks at things alittle bit differently.
Yeah, she's much moreconservative, and probably how
(22:20):
she's been raised, what she'slooked at, how many people she's
even dated, all that kind ofstuff, and so it kind of reminds
me of the girls that want toget married right out of high
school, sort of thing.
Would it ever be?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
okay.
For him to go out to lunch withher, just the two of them.
For him to go out to lunch withher, just the two of them.
If they run into, let's saythey run into each other.
I'm just like goinghypothetical now based off this
scenario.
So let's say they run into eachother at the mall.
They're both at the mallshopping.
Oh hey, oh, hey, how you doingyou know, blah, blah, blah.
I'm just on my lunch hour.
Hey, do you want to go over?
(22:55):
Do you want to catch a?
bite to eat.
Would that be okay?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, I don't think that'd be a big deal at all.
So I think part of the problemwith this was that she did not
have any context.
Really She'd never met theperson.
What if?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
he texts her ahead of time to have lunch.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, I don't know, I guess that the whole thing I
mean that's getting kind of it'smore kind of like that's how
people can be like trust factor.
(23:32):
And again, I think in her mindwhat is appropriate, not
appropriate, how she was right,all those kind of things, and in
his mind it was a totallydifferent thing and he's
thinking like a.
He's thinking like a guy.
I mean, guys think like that.
A lot.
Women are much.
We pay much more closerattention to some of those
things.
She came to the US, met thepeople in person and now
(23:56):
everything's fine.
Oh, okay, yeah, because sherealized that you know, this
genuinely is a group of people.
All she had to go on was thefact that he hadn't been
truthful before.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Kind, of lied by omission on this.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, and so he's not being trustworthy?
Yeah, legitimate, legitimateconcern, but what she was saying
was, if I see her, I'm going toscratch her eyes out.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Oh my goodness, oh damn.
It's like drama of the reality.
They probably had her do thatyeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm just like, well, that's a little extreme.
You know, don't go out with him.
He's 8000 miles away, it's likeyeah, you can ghost him is
really going to work, right.
So anyway, I don't know why Igot that.
That's just an example, I think.
When I see things like that,I'm like, oh, come on, people,
there's so many other thingsthat are important to really
invest your anger in if youreally want to, for sure so
(24:47):
anyway, that's the end of that.
So what no?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I was going to transition.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh, go for it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
To no go ahead.
Oh, I was going to transition.
Oh, go for it To the.
Oh, ring my bell, Ring my bell.
Okay, guys, we have the ringthe bell episode finisher.
At the gym they say the lastcardio finisher and I'm like
they're going to fucking kickour ass.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I was thinking of something else, oh, Anyways what
is it what?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
is it Okay?
So here's the ring the bellquestion, Michelle Okay, Night
sex or day sex?
Which is?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
better, oh, night or day, day all the way.
Really oh yeah, See doesn'tthat feel funny.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I'm a total night girl.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I can do day or night, or
night and day, like you know,I'm just saying all day, all
night, all day, all night.
Yeah, you know night or day,but I'm I'm more of a morning
morning person.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Morning person, I mean, it does kind of start your
day off, right, you know, but Idon't know.
I'm more of a night personmyself.
Yeah, so okay.
Well, now everybody knowsMichelle likes to have morning
sex, julie likes night sex.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Okay, we're good.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I like to have sex anytime.
Let's just be clear.
Yeah and anyway, I have amorning girl, but we're not
going to go.
We're going to go, that'sanother.
That's another.
Ring the bell for another day,Anyway.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I just say I.
I just want to go back to whatwe were talking about today.
You know, relationships,friendship, relationships
outside of a dating relationship, a lot of dependent factors.
I'm just trying to think ofsome things that I kind of got
from this.
There's situational things, youknow, that go into it.
(26:34):
I think respect of the partnerhas a lot to do with it, right?
And you know, if, if there'smarried people, uh, that are
involved like uh, I think, indoing things as couples is kind
of important it, you know,shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I don't think, unless one couple is a swinger couple
and the other couple isn't, andthat's a whole other episode.
That's a whole other episode wehave coming down the road.
Hopefully, hopefully, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But you know, like you, when you have many friends,
yeah, I mean there's going tobe friends of the opposite sex.
We are like 60 years old, arewe?
You're not yet Almost, yeah,but we're, you know, on in years
.
We've had a lot of relationships, don't say on in years, because
that makes me feel like we needto have blue hair A lot of
people that are really big partsof our life, yeah, and it's
(27:24):
important to keep those peopleas part of your life.
So the more you communicate andhave trust in your relationship
, I think it's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I absolutely 100% agree, I think that's the key to
most everything.
100% agree, I think that's thekey to most everything.
Yeah, building any kind offoundation is having that trust
which relates to communicationComing from the blonde and the
brunette.
That's our two cents.
There you go, yeah.
Well, on that note, thank youagain, everybody for tuning in
and spending some time with us.
Drop your comments below.
(27:52):
Let us know what you think weare.
As Michelle said, on thesocials, we'd love to hear your
follows, likes and subscribes.
We don't really hear them, butwe like to see them.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Do it, yeah, do it All.
Right, everybody Peace outpeople See you next time.
Hey everybody.
This is Michelle and this isJulie.
Welcome to a blonde, a brunetteand a mic podcast.
What is our podcast all about,you ask?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, we're 250 something, women with life
experience and oh, plenty to saywhich is exactly what we're
gonna do right now.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi Michelle, hey Jules, how are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm doing great today .
Are you ready for some podcast?
Nomad work.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Ready.
That's how you have to be.
If you're a podcast nomad,we're scrappy man Ready on the
fly.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're scrappy, and it's a good thing, it's really a
good thing.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Before we get started , I know Michelle wanted to
share a few thoughts with ouraudience.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I just wanted to thank everybody for listening
and, I guess, just sent out agentle reminder as well.
Continue the good work ofsubscribing, following and
sharing on all the socials andespecially on YouTube.
You know things are reallystarting to grow there.
We're super excited about it.
We have great things plannedfor 2025.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So just keep up the good work, y'all.
Yeah, that was what we werejust doing was our little
planning sesh that we had andall kinds of good stuff coming.
So again, as she said, thankyou so much for listening and
for being a part of our littlecommunity that we're creating.
We are super excited about itand we're having a lot of fun
with it, and it's all because ofyou guys, right?
Yes, ma'am.
So today we are going to getinto a topic that we have
discussed on many occasions buthave not actually put it on
(01:34):
paper until today.
We are going to actually record, and that topic is Michelle.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Um, is it possible for male and female
relationships to continue whenyou are in a relationship?
Okay, does that make sense yeah, totally makes sense to me.
Or male, and I should say maleand female friendships, which
are relationships, right?
Uh, can you have those if youare in a relationship and have a
(02:04):
partner?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So this started out with two separate questions,
really.
One of them was when we werediscussing it can men and women
be friends?
And my absolute answer to thatwas yes, 100% they can.
But I know we had inquired withsome other people as we were
kind of preparing for thisepisode, and you had a very
(02:25):
different response from one ofyour kids, didn't you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Because I asked that question.
I was like so do you think it'sokay to continue a friendship?
I'm just doing it how I posedit to him Is it okay to have a
friendship with somebody thatyou've been in a relationship
with in the past?
Is it okay to continue thatfriendship if you are now in a
relationship with somebody else?
(02:51):
Okay, did not even hesitate.
He said nope, nope, I mean, Iwas kind of expecting that, but
at the same time I was surprised.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it
too, I think some.
So we that was where the bigbone of contention was, because
not bone of contention, but wehad a difference of opinion on
those things and I think a lotof the I have a lot of male
friendships, or men that are arepeople that I am friends with,
I should say through the courseof my life.
(03:23):
Many that are.
Well, I say many.
It sounds like there's a lot,there's a little bit of
exaggeration, but there's a coregroup of guys, mostly from high
school, a couple from highschool that they're like my
brothers.
Yeah, and I would.
It's not like I see them everyday.
It's not like I talk to themevery day.
We're on social media, back andforth, you know all kinds of
(03:43):
banter and fun stuff.
I've never had a romanticrelationship with either one of
them.
There's never been any inklingof that.
It would be hard for me to saythat I wouldn't be able to be
friends, maintain a friendshipwith them because a person I was
in a relationship with said Icouldn't or didn't want me to,
because that to me speaks morein that scenario to the person
(04:06):
that's in the relationship,having some insecurities, maybe
from things that have happenedin the past, maybe from just,
you know, a lack of trust ingeneral for people because of
experiences that have takenplace.
What have you?
I don't know, but I would havea really.
I think I would have a reallyhard time with that, because it
would be basically saying thatyou're kind of cut off from the.
(04:26):
It's kind of isolating you.
You know what?
If, what?
If you know half of yourfriends are guys, because you
know you're an, you're anengineer and that's the only
people that you've been aroundyour whole life, you know who
knows yeah?
Or you have a lot of brothersand so you've been around guys
that have been a part of yourfamily or what have you.
Are you not allowed to befriends with them anymore?
(04:47):
That's where I would struggle.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah Well, and I think obviously there's.
these scenarios are situationaland they can be, so there's a
lot of factors that go into that.
I think, though, you know, ifwe stick to what you were saying
, you know, depending on if thisperson had some kind of
relationship trauma from thepast, sure, yeah, I think it
(05:13):
would take some flexibilitythere to come to some kind of
understanding, to where you knowbeing sympathetic with that
situation, whatever theyexperienced, and building the
trust to a point where they knowthat it's going to be different
with you, right?
(05:33):
Does that make sense?
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And that might take some time.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, it could take some time.
So now let's flip that over toyou.
Know the people that you havein your life.
Have you been in a romanticrelationship with or been in a
sexual relationship with asexual situation ship even with
and you know you don't have thatrelationship with them anymore,
but you're still friends notlike in depth, but you know
(05:58):
still friends.
So would those people be peoplethat you would not feel
comfortable being around ortalking to, or what have you if
you were in a relationship?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think it would be.
Yeah, I that's, I don't know.
I just I think it would be.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I, we.
This is what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And it's different when you've been married and
divorced, like if there's likeagain situational, there's all
these dependent factors, causeI'm just thinking obviously if
you're with somebody now that uhis divorced, you have children,
of course there's going to bethat relationship that continues
and carries on for the rest oflife.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, that's different.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's a given and that's different.
But if, uh, you know, if, ifyou, yeah, I just, I don't, I
don't know that, I, I, I justfor me it's like what's the
point.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, that's a great question and I think it just
depends.
It depends on what thatrelationship was like.
I mean, if it's very like Isaid, a surfacy type of
relationship.
Maybe it's not that big of adeal, you know, because you're
it's not someone who is going tobe you're going to miss them so
much in your life, right, right?
Or the relationship that youhave is way more important to
(07:09):
you than keeping a friendshipthat is not like a really deep
friendship, right, yeah, and Ithink that there's a lot of
value to that, sure, because itkind of, as we had been
discussing when we werepreparing for this, some of that
really does come down tomaintaining a level of respect
for your partner that, eventhough they might not say
(07:30):
anything, even though they maybe very confident people, that's
still something that maybe, inthe back of their mind, they
might be like I don't know, Idon't know if I feel comfortable
with that, or I don't know if Iit just it does.
It puts you at a kind of littlebit of a precarious place,
especially if there had beenfeelings, or there is a this,
(07:50):
you know, attraction or feelingsthat have not been resolved or
put to bed.
Maybe, that wasn't the best wayto put it Resolved and you know
there's there's no clarity on afriend zone, you know, or
(08:16):
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think that that's a .
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's a different thing.
I think the respect for yourperson is more consideration.
But if I did, it's like I'd be.
I guess I can't be friends withthat person anymore.
I mean, I would justautomatically probably eliminate
some of those friendships justbecause I wouldn't want to be
disrespectful to the person thatI was trying to focus my energy
and attention on.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Right, and that's the thing it's like.
If you are stepping into arelationship, that's where.
That is where all your time andenergy are going.
So if there's texting happening, you know with past
relationship people one.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
it's why here we go Leaving the door open, Like if
there's still feelings from thatperson like maybe you, maybe
you ended things with them.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
If there's still feelings with that person.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's a whole different.
That's a whole different thing,you know, because you are
definitely treading on very thinice in my, in my book.
There's too many things thatcan go wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
and again going back to the respect issue, Do you
think you would have a hard time?
I know you were saying youwould probably not be friends
because you're putting obviouslyif you're going into a
relationship, you're going tohave that time and energy going
into this relationship with thisperson, right?
Do you think you would have ahard time as you go on?
Because I know some of thesepeople that you do you know?
(09:42):
And they are like cool.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, there's like friendship there,
Situationship-wise.
It wasn't like the person I'mthinking of, it wasn't a
relationship with them, just youknow, kind of a situationship
sort of a thing, and you knowthere is nothing going on there,
but we banter, we have fun, wetalk back and forth.
I learn all kinds of new things.
He's hilarious.
(10:08):
Would someone understand thatrelationship or that friendship?
Would I bring him around?
I would totally bring himaround someone I was dating.
I wouldn't even feeluncomfortable about that.
But if my person would then,yeah, that would be a problem.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So let me ask you this Would your person know
about the situation ship?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I wouldn't keep that a secret.
Okay, yeah, I think that's kindof again, kind of it's lying by
omission in some ways.
I mean you're going to investthe energy to bring someone
around?
who used to be in a relationshipthat's a friend of yours now,
Right, and that goes back to canyou be friends with people that
you were in relationships withbefore?
And if it's platonic, I thinkif you've got like there's a
(10:57):
scenario I'm thinking of in myhead with someone who I was 100%
obsessed with when I was a kid,right or younger, and I have no
desire really to be in arelationship now.
I don't, I don't want that forme now.
I don't.
I think that he might want morethan that, Not maybe now, but
maybe down the road, and I don'twant to leave the impression
that that is that I don't wantto lead him on.
(11:19):
I guess, or put it, put myselfin a position where I'm speaking
out both sides of my mouthabout it and I found, in
conversation with talking tothis one person that I spend
time with on occasion, it wasmore like you got to shut that
shit down and I'm like, okay,because the impression from a
(11:41):
man getting a man's perspectivewas you need to be more clear
with your intention, or whatyour lack of intention is it was
a good learning for me,actually, because I was feeling
like maybe I'm dancing aroundthis topic too much, but maybe I
just needed to be more directabout it, because I was more
worried about, you know,creating problems, I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So communication obviously is a big one.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, If you're going to maintain a friendship, Right
Right, that's very veryimportant, I think, and a lot of
it goes back to, I think, yourrelationship with your person.
Yeah, because you may be in arelationship with your person,
because you may be in arelationship with a really
outgoing person who has a lot offriends, friends that are women
, friends that are men, I mean,I really don't care, I don't
(12:29):
think it would bother me.
I mean I've been inrelationships with people that
had women that were friends butthey hadn't ever been with them
like in a romantic way, but theywere friends and they were
single women, you know, whatever.
I just I don't know why.
I was just kind of like you gotto be in a place where you
maybe aren't second guessingthings or feeling so insecure
(12:50):
about it, just like, don't evenlike being in a place where
you're not even questioningthings Right?
Well, a lot of that has to dowith just getting to know those
people.
If those people are in yourperson's life, I want to know
who those people are.
Right, Because you're probablygoing to be spending time with
them.
Now.
If those people are like, whyare you bringing sand to the
beach?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know what I mean.
It's like.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That's a different story and actually I can think
of this one scenario where I was.
There was a big trip, kind of atrip being planned with a bunch
of college friends and I wasobviously just on the periphery
of some of these.
I was part of the conversationbut I wasn't really involved in
(13:29):
the conversation and had gottenup to run to the bathroom and,
you know, came back to the table, everything blah, blah, blah,
blah.
Well, the person I was withtold me that the girl who was at
the table married, had twins,was not in a romantic
relationship whatsoever withthis guy, had never been, had
always been friends, had toldhim and he was pissed.
He was like she said, why areyou bringing sand to the beach?
(13:51):
And I'm kind of like huh, andbasically that was saying why
are you bringing a girl with youwhen there's all these other
girls there, even though you'rein a committed relationship?
So that, to me, was the hugestred flag about spending time
around this person, because shecertainly wasn't encouraging him
to be in a relationship, right,and would probably put him in
(14:11):
circumstances or encouragecircumstances where you know
what she don't know won't hurther kind of a thing.
I know, wow, I know so itneedless to say, the sand did
not go to the beach.
I did not go to the beach.
I've never heard that youhaven't.
No, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I was like, wow, okay , I mean it's a good scenario.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, it's good, but I mean, I did not go.
But at the same time, I wasjust like you know what,
whatever, whatever is going tohappen is going to happen.
I'm not going to try to make itbe something different.
I'm not going to step up and go.
No, I want to go because I'mworried about not having this.
You know, whatever, I'm notgoing to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
If this stuff's going to happen, it's going to happen
whether I'm there or not, right?
That's right.
Yeah, let me ask you this Doyou think men and women can be
friends, like, without therebeing anything?
You know?
There's kind of a stereotype,you know out there that men and
women can't be friends unlessyou know, without something
sexual happening, right?
Do you think there's any truthto that?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
No, I mean, I have friendships with people that I
have no inkling about.
Yeah, and honestly, if I was ina relationship with someone who
said I don't want you to befriends with them anymore, I
would really have to rethinkthat, because there's nothing
wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
What if there's physical attraction there?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
That's a different story.
I think that's a littledifferent, I mean.
But I mean if there's nophysical attraction or anything
on your end or, moreover,they're probably more worried
about physical attraction on theother end, right From the
person that you're friends with.
But if it's this platonic thingthat that there's none of that
stuff going on.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I'm just like bring them.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You guys, if you're're going bowling, you're
going to play pool, right, youknow you're going out to, you
know watch a band bring them,yeah, like why can't they be
friends?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
they're all part of your life.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Exactly that's kind of how I look at it so right, um
, so then.
Then that's the question do youthink that, uh, you could
maintain a friendship withsomebody who you had been in a
previous relationship with, ifyou were in a relationship?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I could maintain a friendship with somebody like
that Sure Would you feelcomfortable doing that if you
were in a relationship.
Probably not Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So would you feel like you're having to give?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
up something?
Well, it's just like no,probably not Okay.
So would you feel like you'rehaving to give up something?
Well, it's just like no, butlike so many dependent factors.
But I'm just thinking of, youknow, some of my past
relationships that I have beenin and I'm not friends with any
of them, so I guess that's theanswer right there it's just
like but that's just me, I thinkI'm just.
That's just me Right?
(16:59):
Well, it's just me Right.
Well, it's not like I'm friendswith, well, no, but when you
think about too, I lived inSpokane.
I didn't grow up here.
I've lived in this area, beingmarried most of the time For 26
years.
I was married with kids livingover here, so it's not like I
(17:20):
had a bunch of, you know, socialthings from my younger days and
people that I'd be hanging outwith or continuing keeping in
touch with Right, if that makessense.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But I think someone who's more introverted as well.
I'm not saying you'reintroverted, but I'm just
thinking about introvertedpeople.
They just don't have as manypeople in their life, in their
acquaintance circle.
You know, their core circle ispretty tight, probably uh, but
their acquaintance circle issmaller whereas there's people
that are like I'm in a reallysocial job.
(17:50):
It's like I'm around a lot ofpeople.
I'm around a lot of men, a lotof women.
I don't really look at it.
I don't look at it anydifferent than I than I would
anything else yeah, we go to
Speaker 1 (17:59):
happy hour we do this we do that, but there's no
sexual attraction as a singleperson, though you kind of have
to be aware of that, because noteverybody is too cool when the
single woman is hanging out andare social and friendly.
You and I are both that way.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Actually, that's a really good point.
That's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, I think it's important to be cognizant
of that because, there's otherwomen that might not be
comfortable with, even thoughit's just a friendship, a
working relationship, that kindof a thing.
There are other women thatmight not be okay with how
you're able to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
be okay with how you're able to do that it might
intimidate them in some ways youknow my reality TV kind of
obsession, right.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Oh guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's a little bit of my guilty pleasure and I don't
know, have any idea really why.
This is a pandemic thing thatstarted and now I'm just like I
just kind of love this stuff,but it's like really, when I
think about what I'm watching,it's like why am I doing that?
But anyway, I digress there.
There is one scenario and theseare true stories.
These are this one particularscenario is this kid from when I
(19:11):
say kid, he's 30, I think fromthe Chicago area and he meets
this girl from Poland.
She's with some people inChicago visiting and then they
meet at a party or something andthen she leaves to go back to
Poland.
Well, they stay in touch andlike eight, nine months go by or
whatever, and he flies outthere and she thinks he's going
to propose right, so theylong-distanced it.
(19:34):
This whole long-distance thingis going back and forth.
Well, he looked at the long-ddistance thing a little bit
different than she did, becausehe slept with somebody during
the timeframe that they were inthis, the very beginning of the
long distance thing, but therewasn't this committed thing.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
She didn't look at it that way at all.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right, but she's also younger and very innocent.
You know, it's kind of the waythat I and there was obviously
not a discussion that went onaround this but he has a good
circle of friends.
He's much more outgoing, social.
You can just tell he likes toparty.
He's around, but not in a bad.
I don't have this impressionthat he's like a hoe.
(20:14):
I think he's just, you know,just kind of a fun person, right
?
Yeah, and in this group offriends there is a woman that is
in this group that he datedlike seven years ago.
So they're all core group offriends, I think, from college
or something like that.
Platonic is all get out.
Now she's in anotherrelationship.
You know, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
(20:34):
Well, he didn't want to tell hisgirlfriend in Poland about this
woman that he had had arelationship or had slept with
her, because he knew how she wasgoing to respond and he didn't
even really think that it wasnecessary because it was so long
ago.
And they don't even I mean,it's like they're all hanging
out in front didn't even really,didn't really put a lot of
(20:55):
thought into it, Right, and itcomes up in the course of
conversation after this wholescenario has come up, about how
he didn't realize that he was ina relationship like committed
at the very beginning.
She forgave that and now thiscomes out and so she thinks he's
lying about it.
And I'm like that poor guy.
He cannot even catch a break.
He didn't say anything becausein his mind it's not relevant.
(21:19):
Number two she will not be okaywith it and will tell him he
cannot have her as a friend.
And he just didn't think it wasthat important and it came up,
you know, and so it looks likehe's being untruthful or he's
lying to her.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I don't think he was lying.
How did she find?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
out it was something, I don't remember exactly how
she found out.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
That's me asking the questions I know right, I don't
remember, I don't remember anddo you remember if the girl and
her did you say she is married.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
now I think she's married now or in a relationship
or something?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
yeah, Do you know if her husband or boyfriend cared?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
No, they're all friends.
Husband or boyfriend cared.
No, they're all friends,everybody's friends.
Okay, yeah.
It's literally not a big deal,and I think some of it is that
it's again we're talking alittle bit of cultural
difference too, I think, becauseyou know he's older and the
college days an American.
He just looks at things alittle bit differently.
Yeah, she's much moreconservative, and probably how
(22:20):
she's been raised, what she'slooked at, how many people she's
even dated, all that kind ofstuff, and so it kind of reminds
me of the girls that want toget married right out of high
school, sort of thing.
Would it ever be?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
okay.
For him to go out to lunch withher, just the two of them.
For him to go out to lunch withher, just the two of them.
If they run into, let's saythey run into each other.
I'm just like goinghypothetical now based off this
scenario.
So let's say they run into eachother at the mall.
They're both at the mallshopping.
Oh hey, oh, hey, how you doingyou know, blah, blah, blah.
I'm just on my lunch hour.
Hey, do you want to go over?
(22:55):
Do you want to catch a?
bite to eat.
Would that be okay?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, I don't think that'd be a big deal at all.
So I think part of the problemwith this was that she did not
have any context.
Really She'd never met theperson.
What if?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
he texts her ahead of time to have lunch.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, I don't know, I guess that the whole thing I
mean that's getting kind of it'smore kind of like that's how
people can be like trust factor.
(23:32):
And again, I think in her mindwhat is appropriate, not
appropriate, how she was right,all those kind of things, and in
his mind it was a totallydifferent thing and he's
thinking like a.
He's thinking like a guy.
I mean, guys think like that.
A lot.
Women are much.
We pay much more closerattention to some of those
things.
She came to the US, met thepeople in person and now
(23:56):
everything's fine.
Oh, okay, yeah, because sherealized that you know, this
genuinely is a group of people.
All she had to go on was thefact that he hadn't been
truthful before.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Kind, of lied by omission on this.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, and so he's not being trustworthy?
Yeah, legitimate, legitimateconcern, but what she was saying
was, if I see her, I'm going toscratch her eyes out.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Oh my goodness, oh damn.
It's like drama of the reality.
They probably had her do thatyeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm just like, well, that's a little extreme.
You know, don't go out with him.
He's 8000 miles away, it's likeyeah, you can ghost him is
really going to work, right.
So anyway, I don't know why Igot that.
That's just an example, I think.
When I see things like that,I'm like, oh, come on, people,
there's so many other thingsthat are important to really
invest your anger in if youreally want to, for sure so
(24:47):
anyway, that's the end of that.
So what no?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I was going to transition.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh, go for it.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
To no go ahead.
Oh, I was going to transition.
Oh, go for it To the.
Oh, ring my bell, Ring my bell.
Okay, guys, we have the ringthe bell episode finisher.
At the gym they say the lastcardio finisher and I'm like
they're going to fucking kickour ass.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I was thinking of something else, oh, Anyways what
is it what?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
is it Okay?
So here's the ring the bellquestion, Michelle Okay, Night
sex or day sex?
Which is?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
better, oh, night or day, day all the way.
Really oh yeah, See doesn'tthat feel funny.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I'm a total night girl.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I can do day or night, or
night and day, like you know,I'm just saying all day, all
night, all day, all night.
Yeah, you know night or day,but I'm I'm more of a morning
morning person.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Morning person, I mean, it does kind of start your
day off, right, you know, but Idon't know.
I'm more of a night personmyself.
Yeah, so okay.
Well, now everybody knowsMichelle likes to have morning
sex, julie likes night sex.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Okay, we're good.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I like to have sex anytime.
Let's just be clear.
Yeah and anyway, I have amorning girl, but we're not
going to go.
We're going to go, that'sanother.
That's another.
Ring the bell for another day,Anyway.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I just say I.
I just want to go back to whatwe were talking about today.
You know, relationships,friendship, relationships
outside of a dating relationship, a lot of dependent factors.
I'm just trying to think ofsome things that I kind of got
from this.
There's situational things, youknow, that go into it.
(26:34):
I think respect of the partnerhas a lot to do with it, right?
And you know, if, if there'smarried people, uh, that are
involved like uh, I think, indoing things as couples is kind
of important it, you know,shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I don't think, unless one couple is a swinger couple
and the other couple isn't, andthat's a whole other episode.
That's a whole other episode wehave coming down the road.
Hopefully, hopefully, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
But you know, like you, when you have many friends,
yeah, I mean there's going tobe friends of the opposite sex.
We are like 60 years old, arewe?
You're not yet Almost, yeah,but we're, you know, on in years
.
We've had a lot of relationships, don't say on in years, because
that makes me feel like we needto have blue hair A lot of
people that are really big partsof our life, yeah, and it's
(27:24):
important to keep those peopleas part of your life.
So the more you communicate andhave trust in your relationship
, I think it's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I absolutely 100% agree, I think that's the key to
most everything.
100% agree, I think that's thekey to most everything.
Yeah, building any kind offoundation is having that trust
which relates to communicationComing from the blonde and the
brunette.
That's our two cents.
There you go, yeah.
Well, on that note, thank youagain, everybody for tuning in
and spending some time with us.
Drop your comments below.
(27:52):
Let us know what you think weare.
As Michelle said, on thesocials, we'd love to hear your
follows, likes and subscribes.
We don't really hear them, butwe like to see them.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Do it, yeah, do it All.
Right, everybody Peace outpeople See you next time.
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