May 21, 2024 • 34 mins
Step into the enigmatic world of psychic phenomena with Dr. Jeff Tarrant, who has traversed the spectrum from skepticism to belief. Our latest episode unveils the science behind the psychic, where brainwaves like theta and gamma frequencies play pivotal roles.
Discover how the right hemisphere of your brain could be the gateway to unlocking extraordinary realms of consciousness. From the tangible impact of audio-visual entrainment (AVE) technology to simple card exercises, Dr. Tarrant guides us through practices designed to amplify our intuitive abilities.
If the thought of tapping into the unseen intrigues you, then you're in for a journey that marries mysticism with method.
We all carry the spark of psychic potential, often dimmed by the rigors of rational life. Dr. Tarrant challenges this norm, suggesting that through perseverance and training, we can rekindle our dormant talents.
Whether it's mediumship or telekinesis that calls to you, this conversation is a testament to the diversity and accessibility of psychic skills. The episode doesn't just explore these abilities; it's a call to explore your own, with practical steps and resources that encourage each listener to embark on a personal odyssey of spiritual discovery.
Peering into the crystal ball of the future, Dr. Tarrant propels us forward to the budding intersection of psychic research and technological innovation. As we grapple with the challenges of empirical validation amidst a sea of psychic "fluff," our discussion illuminates the promise of new devices that could transform our understanding of the human mind.
Stay tuned as we navigate the enthralling landscape of psychic exploration, where the next breakthrough is just a thought away.
This episode is an open invitation: join us at the frontier of consciousness, where science and the supernatural converge.
Dr. Tarrant is the founder and Director of Psychic Mind Science and the NeuroMeditation Institute in Eugene, OR. He is a licensed psychologist and board certified in neurofeedback. Dr. Tarrant specializes in teaching, clinical applications, and research combining technology-based interventions with meditative states for improved mental health.
His research focuses on exploring brainwave changes that occur as a result of contemplative practices, technological interventions, non-ordinary states of consciousness, and psi related abilities.
Dr. Tarrant is the author of the book, Meditation Interventions to Rewire the Brain in addition to the upcoming Becoming Psychic.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everyone.
Welcome to our SpiritualSpotlight Series.
Today I am joined by Dr JeffTarrant.
He is a psychologist and todaywe're actually going to be
focusing on his new bookBecoming Psychic Lessons from
the Minds and Mediums, healersand Psychics.
Thank you so much for coming onSpiritual Spotlight Series.
I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thank you for inviting me.
It's great to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So let's just I'm going to ask you one question
first.
So you transitioned from ahardcore skeptic to someone
deeply immersed in the study ofpsychic phenomenon.
Can you maybe share a pivotalmoment or experience that
signified that kind of shiftedyour perception in?
I don't believe in this tomaybe some of this is legitimate
.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oof, it'd be tough to pick.
I don't know.
That it was one thing, right,yeah.
And to be fair, you know, as ayounger child and even as an
adolescent, I was open to allthis weird stuff, right.
And then I kind of shut it alldown again and then it kind of
reemerged, and so I think it'sactually been kind of my natural
(01:04):
way of thinking about the worldis more being open to all of
this, and so I think actually itwas more just a series of
events and experiences of justbecoming more flexible after I
kind of got out of school andstarted kind of remembering some
of what I was into before,right.
(01:25):
So I don't, I don't necessarilythink there was one thing.
I mean, there have certainlybeen some big experiences I've
had that changed my, myworldview, right, right, but I
don't think it was one thingnecessarily.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That's interesting.
So in your book BecomingPsychic you explore the
connection between brainactivity and psychic abilities,
like that's the big focus inyour book.
Can you explain how specificbrain waves or regions are
associated with these abilities?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Sure, and you know, of course it's complicated.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I will say his book is very meaty, Like it is not a.
I can't just pick it up Likeyou have to go through it
chapter by chapter to absorb theinformation.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's fair, you know .
I would say the brainwaves thatseem to be most involved with
you know, whether it's psychicactivity or spirit communication
or energy healing, thebrainwaves that show up the most
often are theta and gamma, andthat's not going to be a
(02:31):
surprise to a lot of people whoare listening to this if they're
familiar with any work in thiskind of world.
Theta is a slower brainwave andis often associated with the
subconscious, hypnotic states,deep states of meditation.
It's a state where we tend tobe more open and more receptive.
(02:53):
Gamma is the fastest brainwavethat we measure and is
associated with lots of things.
But one of the things thatpeople get excited about with
gamma is these kind of flowstates or being in the zone or
sort of understanding things ata high level without effort, and
so those two together seem tobe the magic combo and sometimes
they happen together.
(03:13):
You know that's amisunderstanding.
I think about brainwaves isthat we kind of only make one at
a time, and the reality iswe're making all of the
brainwaves all the time.
So it's more about arelationship.
How much of each one are we,you know?
Do we have it in a particularmoment?
Right?
(03:40):
Clear distinction between rightand left hemisphere activity and
this was something that,honestly, at the beginning I
kind of poo-pooed, I kind ofthought, yeah, that's all just
pop psychology, there's not muchto that.
And then, after studying dozensand dozens of gifted
individuals, it's like, oh, itkeeps showing up that the right
(04:02):
side seems to be more importantfor these activities than the
left hemisphere.
And it makes some sense becausethe left hemisphere is more
logical, linear, languageoriented, whereas the right side
is much more experiential andmore present, moment focused.
The other specific regions youknow we don't have enough time
(04:40):
to get into all of them, but theones that I'll mention just
really quick.
The right parietal lobe, sokind of in the back right
quadrant of the brain, is oftenreferred to as the God spot, and
it's a very interesting part ofthe brain because its normal
function is to create boundariesand so it creates a separation.
You know I'm Jeff, I live inthis little body, you know
you're Rachel, you live in yourlittle body over there and we're
(05:02):
totally separate.
But then, when you disrupt thefunctioning of that part of the
brain, it seems to allow more ofthat empathy, more ability to
connect outside of yourself, sothose boundaries don't exist.
The same way.
Other parts of the brain thatshow up are the frontal lobe,
especially the right frontallobe, which is involved in a lot
(05:24):
of things like impulse controlas well as how you pay attention
.
And so how you pay attention is, of course, going to be
important for some of theseskills.
You have to change the wayyou're paying attention.
And then the third one I'llmention real quick is the
occipital lobe, in the very backof the brain, which we
associate with visual processing.
And again, it kind of makessense If you're seeing something
(05:47):
that exists in a more subtlerealm, it kind of makes sense
that that's going to getprocessed somewhere in your
brain and it gets processed inthe visual lobes.
Even though you're not seeingsomething with your eyeballs, it
doesn't matter.
The brain still processesvisual information in that part
of the brain.
So I'd say those are the bigthree.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, so one of the goals of your book is to help
others tap into their ownpsychic abilities, which most of
my listeners definitely want toopen, and expand more of their
abilities.
Can you maybe tell us what aresome of the initial steps or
practices you would recommendfor beginners on this path?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I'd say there's three things, and the first one
is going to be really obviousPractice.
You know, whatever skill it isyou're trying to develop, it's
pretty clear that the more timeyou put in, the better you get.
This is, you know, it's soobvious, it almost doesn't even.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's so true and so it's with everything, anything
you want to become better at,you need to practice.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, if you want to get better at playing a musical
instrument, well, guess what?
You know, you got to put timein and so you know, I think some
people they just want it tojust pop, you know, magically
emerge and it's like I thinkthose abilities are there.
But you have to really practiceshifting your brain in such a
way that you can get your normalconscious brain functioning out
(07:13):
of the way to access theseabilities.
So practicing is huge.
The next thing I would say ismeditation, and I'll expound on
that just a little bit, becausevirtually every psychic medium
I've ever interviewed has saidmeditation.
Like, if you ask them and saywhat's the thing to do, almost
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100% will say meditate.
And there's a lot of differentkinds of meditation.
So this gets complicated, right, because it's like well, great,
what kind of meditation?
And my answer would be well, itdepends.
It depends on what you're tryingto cultivate, because different
types of meditation impactdifferent parts of the brain in
different ways.
(07:54):
So it kind of gets to the thirdpart, which is using technology
to kind of nudge the brain inthe direction that you're
wanting it to go, and so there'svarious ways we can use
neurofeedback, or audiovisualentrainment, or low power,
repetitive magnetic stimulation,All of these things can kind of
(08:17):
encourage or coax the braininto specific patterns, and so
it's a little bit of liketraining wheels.
I think, right, that it's kindof nudging the brain where you
want it to go, but you stillhave to practice the skills.
Just because your brain isdoing a certain thing doesn't
mean you're going to be psychicall of a sudden.
You still have to practice, andmeditation is kind of the same
(08:37):
way.
You're training the brain to beable to step into different
states of consciousness andhopefully get skilled enough
that you can navigate that atwill and have enough flexibility
in the way your brain operatesthat you can tap into these
things.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I really liked that you brought in the technology
piece of it to maybe help youopen it up a little bit more,
and one of the things in yourbook, like you said, was the
audio vision entrainment.
I found that to be fascinatingand the devices that you have on
your website like that was.
So can you tell us a little bitmore about those devices?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And so you know, since youbrought up audio visual
entrainment, I'll start withthat and really what it involves
is and this technology has beenaround for a long time, it's
not like it's new technology andyou know, my background is as a
psychologist and so I've usedthis historically for mental
health, you know, to help peoplereduce anxiety or, you know,
(09:37):
activate their brain better, for, you know, cognitive
functioning, whatever.
But essentially what it is is aspecialized set of glasses that
has lights built into the eyeset, and you put them on and you
close your eyes, pick a programdepending on what you're
wanting to do, and then thelights flicker on and off at a
specific rate depending on whatyou chose, and so literally
(10:00):
they're going on and off acertain number of times a second
, and then you have headphoneson with tones in them that match
the glasses, and so essentiallywhat's happening is your brain
will start to match thosefrequencies.
So if you're pulsing a light sixtimes a second, that's in the
(10:20):
theta frequency range.
Theta is between four and eighthertz, four to eight cycles per
second.
So if you flash lights sixhertz, which is in that theta
range, your brain will startmatching it and will start
making more theta, and so it's away to kind of coax the brain,
or not even coax.
Well, I guess it's coax, butyou're kind of nudging the brain
(10:42):
toward a specific, to producemore of a specific frequency,
and so this can be a reallyuseful way to you know, if
you're not used to being incertain states of consciousness,
it's a nice way to kind of likekickstart the process and kind
of get you there a little bitquicker.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I found it to be very fascinating.
I'm somebody like I read therecords and you go, you shift
into different, you knowconsciousness and it's
definitely in the thetabrainwave state and I was like,
wow, that'd be so interesting touse that device and to kind of
relate it to what I do in myhealing business and to see what
are the parallels and, like yousaid, maybe I could coax my
(11:26):
brain a little bit faster intothat state.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah Well, and one of the things that I've kind of
discovered after experimentingwith this with a bunch of people
is that people that are alreadyat least a little bit tapped in
to whatever it is whether it'senergy healing or psychic
abilities or whatever they tendto have a really strong response
to the glasses.
It's almost like the brain'salready a little bit there and
(11:51):
you're just kicking it into gear.
People that maybe haven'treally explored this at all.
It's kind of hit and miss.
It doesn't always, you know.
Sometimes they're just likewell, that was nice, that was
relaxing, and it's like you know.
And again it kind of goes towhat I was saying like you kind
of have to practice the skillstoo.
The glasses aren't just goingto make you psychic, they can
(12:12):
help unlock some of that, butyou still have to learn how to
sort of tap into that type ofinformation.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
That's so interesting .
So each chapter of your bookends with a practical exercise,
so the try it yourself section.
Can you maybe share onetechnique that has been
particularly effective for yourreaders or students?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oof.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, I know they're all very interesting and I will
say that when I was goingthrough the book I was very much
Ooh, got to do that.
Ooh, I've done that.
Oh, I'm so happy you talkedabout that.
Ooh, I'm going to do that.
I don't want to do that.
I don't like the mirror idea.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, and part of my hesitation is just because each
chapter deals with such adifferent topic, that well,
largely.
And so it's a little trickybecause all the try it yourself
sections are specific to thatchapter, right, and so the one
that I talk, the one that I talkabout frequently, just and I
think it's just a personalfavorite of mine, cause it gets
(13:10):
really directly to that practiceidea that we've been talking
about is just like using a deckof cards or something and trying
to predict.
You know, and one of thereasons it's such again, it's a
simple.
I like bringing it up causeit's simple Everybody has a deck
of cards.
You don't have to go out andspend a bunch of money and you
can learn so much about yourselfand how you work and how your
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logical brain tries to take overthe session and predict and
analyze and assess, and so justdoing that on a, you know, a
regular basis, I think makes abig difference because you can
start to feel what does it feellike?
And I think that felt sense isimportant what does it feel like
when I'm right, when I get itright, when I predict the next
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card or the next coloraccurately, versus when I don't?
And it's subtle, it's not, youknow, it usually doesn't hit you
over the head.
So it takes practice andrepetition to start to identify
what those feeling states are.
And I think that's importantbecause then you can start to
notice oh, am I in that space ornot, and you know.
(14:19):
And that can help you start tofine tune.
You know your own psychicpractice.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, I will say that I like that you brought that up
in the book, because I think Iuse the same app that you
referenced in it, like, oh, I'vedone that.
I did that before.
I sucked at it, but then I gotbetter with practice and then I
get mad and then I stopped usingit.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, and it's funny because I've also noticed that
some people tend to do betterwith more apps, some people with
more physical cards, somepeople do better with using
colors versus like somethinglike numbers or you know,
there's all these weird littlesubtle variations, that and so
you have to experiment with thattoo, right, that's a good point
(15:05):
.
And some people do better withmore like a telepathy type
practice where we're sittingtogether and you're looking at
the card and I'm trying to readyour mind, versus just
predicting what the next card isthat I'm going to turn over
myself.
People have different skillsets, and so you know it's
useful, I think, to explore thatas well.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And so you know.
It's useful, I think, toexplore that as well.
So many different senses thatyou have within yourself, how do
you help people through thatLike this may not be your
strongest sense, you have towork at it, but maybe this one's
coming forward for you a littlebit stronger.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I mean, really what I've kind of found to be
the most effective way to dothat is, you know, like we teach
some like online classes andthings like that.
And you know, after everyexercise we try there's always
some sort of discussion,debriefing process, and really I
feel like that, in some ways,is almost the most valuable
aspect, because it helps peoplestart to clarify.
(16:16):
You know, they're like well, Ididn't see anything but, and
then they might bring upsomething else, and so it's like
then we can encourage thatRight, and it's like well, wait
a minute, okay, you don't haveto see it.
You know, like, maybe you justfeel it, maybe you just know, or
maybe you hear something, ormaybe there's some other kind of
subtle signal that you'regetting in your body.
(16:36):
I know a lot of people that feelsomething in their body, and so
helping people to sort of tapin or tune in enough that they
can start to recognize that ohwait, there are all these other
ways to get clues about you knowwhat's happening internally,
that you know sometimes it justtakes some exploration for
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people to understand like, oh,that's my strong suit.
Oh, okay, like I don't have tosee things, which is a good
thing Like I'm terrible atseeing things.
That's not my strong suit, andif I was relying on that I would
probably just give up, becauseI will say that I'm the same way
.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
When I first kind of started down this intuitive path
, psychic path, I was veryfrustrated because I wasn't able
to see in the normal way.
And then, after years and yearsof practice and whatnot, I I'm
grateful that I'm more sensingand knowing that I am seeing,
because I don't want to see aghost.
I'm good, I'll see them inmeditation, but other than that,
(17:36):
I'm good, I'm a chicken is whatI'm trying to tell you.
Maybe I put a block on it, butI just I will say like I'm, I'm
grateful that you kind ofbrought it up that way, just
because I think people get hardon themselves, that they assume
that this is how I should be asa psychic and or intuitive or
medium or an energy healer.
(17:57):
And I think you know with yourbook you can, you can tap into,
there's all different ways toopen up your abilities and maybe
try this or try that and seewhat works for you.
I think that's perfect.
So let me ask you this as aformer skeptic I know we brought
this up in the beginning whatwould you say to those who still
doubt the existence orpossibility of psychic abilities
(18:18):
?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing I would say is
you know, I totally get it.
I understand why people areskeptical and there's and I'm
still skeptical, even thoughI've seen a lot of things and I
believe in the possibility ofjust about anything at this
point.
But but at the same time, justbecause somebody calls me up and
says, oh, I can do this or thator the other thing, my first
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reaction is usually like yeah,we'll see.
My first reaction is to doubt.
And I don't know that that'snecessarily bad, right.
I mean, we need to have acritical mind and we don't want
to just accept everything as thetruth.
(19:04):
And to people who just havewritten off the possibility that
any of this is real, you know,I really just encourage them,
like have an open mind.
You know, the world is a muchstranger and bigger place than
most of us can even imagine.
And you know, if you're closedoff to the possibility, I can
guarantee you won't ever seeanything.
And so you know you have tokind of accept that.
(19:28):
It's like, well, maybe there is.
Can I just be agnostic about it, you know?
And it's like, well, maybe thatexists.
I've never seen anything, butyou know, what do.
I know, maybe I can be open tothe potential, because for me,
you know, even though I believedin a lot of this stuff, once I
kind of rounded the corner, soto speak I was still super
(19:48):
skeptical.
But then there were a few timesI saw things that there was no
way, like I could not refutewhat I saw.
Right, it was way too big andand way too powerful, that it
was like whoa, okay, clearlythis world is way crazier than I
ever imagined, and so you know.
(20:09):
But again, I don't think Icould have seen that earlier.
I had to have been open to itand say yes to different
opportunities, which is, I mean,it's something I try to do.
Now, you know, if somethingreally grabs me and or somebody
calls me and says, hey, you know, I'm on it, I'll hop on a plane
, I'll go check it out and see,you know.
You know I want to investigateand sometimes it's a bust.
(20:32):
Sometimes I show up and I waslike you know, but again, you
have to share some examples of abust.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
No, I'm sorry, it's interesting yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I mean, I don't want to be too specific, right Cause
I don't want to be vague.
Yeah, you know, um, you know Iwill get introduced because I've
been doing this work for, youknow, 11 years now.
Right, so I'll get introducedto different people that have
claimed to have differentabilities.
(21:04):
And so, you know, there aretimes where I'm like, okay, yeah
, cool, you know, like let's,let's do some brain mapping,
let's see what's going on.
And you know, we end up gettingtogether one way or another and
we run a few tests and it'skind of like there's really not
much there to see.
The way that they do their workIsn't super impressive.
(21:25):
They, they don't come up withanything that's really
evidential.
And for the folks that aren'tfamiliar with that term, in this
context, like in mediumship inparticular, they use that term
evidential like to bring forthinformation that is very clear
and specific to what you'relooking at.
So it's not something vague,and you know.
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And so if they come in and allthey give me is vague stuff and
the brain isn't looking thatinteresting, it's kind of like,
you know, it's like, well, youknow you just wasted a half a
day.
But but again, like you know,if you don't put yourself in
those opportunities, you don'tknow, you don't know what you're
going to get.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I mean, I do think so .
I'm a registered nurse and Iactually manage a doctor's
office in my day job and what Irespect so much about your book
and about your studies is thatit's linked to science.
It's linked to, you know,actual, like you said, like
evidential, like there's actualresults in your book.
And I, and I feel that if I runacross some skeptics, I you
said like evidential, likethere's actual results in your
book, and I, and I feel that ifI run across some skeptics, I
can say read this book Like, Imean honestly, like it helps me
(22:33):
as a, as a nurse, becausesometimes I'm like, is this real
or am I just fluffing this oris this my imagination?
And I like, I like that you'relike no, you can actually test
the brain, see what's going onand it could be real.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, good, I'm glad because you know, I think that's
one of the pieces I was hopingwould happen with the book is
that it would encourage people.
You know that it's like youdon't have to again, like I said
earlier, you don't have to justaccept everything Right.
But you know there is way moregoing on out there, and so just
be open-minded to it and look atthe research.
(23:11):
There's a lot of researchthat's very convincing and
hardcore skeptics will say, oh,there's no research to back it
up and it's like, actuallythere's a ton of research, a lot
of research.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
There's a lot of research.
I mean, even, who is it?
Is it a moto who did the studyon the water?
And if you program the waterwith positivity and it's just
like there's so much, there's somuch studies out there.
You just have to be willing tolook, and you also brought up a
good point.
You also need to be able todiscern is this truth or is this
(23:43):
just fluff?
You know, because there is alot of fluff in the psychic
industry, unfortunately there is.
So let me ask you this what aresome common challenges or
misconceptions people face whentrying to develop their psychic
abilities, and how does yourbook address these?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yes, common misconceptions yeah, Um.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Hmm, he's like none.
This is perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean, I, I guess I would say you know, one of the
misconceptions I think thatpeople have is that, um, and
this is a big one, this comes upa lot is that you know, only
certain people have theseabilities.
You know so the, the you know,the Laura Lynn Jackson's and the
you know uh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Sylvia Brown, james Van Praagh right.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know all the big names, right, that they have a
TV show and they, you know that,that they're special and they
can do this.
But I can't, I'm not special, Idon't have these abilities.
And again, I I'd say this is a100% of the mediums and psychics
I've talked to.
They say they're like noeverybody has this potential.
And the further I get down thisrabbit hole of studying these
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things, the more convinced I amthat that's true, that we're all
born with this innate abilityand that it gets essentially
shut down as we get older, as wedevelop language, as we leave
childhood, as we startconforming to our culture and
our societal beliefs aboutwhat's real and what's possible
(25:20):
and what's not.
That it essentially shuts downthose connections, but they're
still hidden in there somewhere,right, it's almost like the
subconscious mind, right?
There's all kinds of stuff inthe subconscious mind, and just
because you're not aware of itdoesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's in there.
(25:41):
And when you look at surveys ofpeople who have had precognitive
experiences or you know, dreamvisitations or whatever, the
numbers are staggeringly high.
You know, the vast majority ofpeople have experienced some
kind of psychic or spiritcommunication thing
spontaneously, but we just writeit off, it was like, oh, that
(26:04):
was a coincidence, or oh, thatwas my imagination.
And it's like, well, no, thatwas something snuck through, so
true.
And so I think that's a hugemisconception that people have.
Is that, well, I can't do this?
And it's like, well, if youreally want to, you can, and you
just have to sort of learn howto unlock that and and decide,
(26:26):
decide that it's something youwant to do, um, you know, and so
, like, we were kind of saying,right, like, and let me clarify
just a little bit because andthere are people that are
naturally gifted in theseabilities, right For sure.
And so you know, I'm nevergoing to be a James Bond prog,
right, that's just not going tohappen.
Right, you know, um, probably,I mean, I'm never going to be a
James Bond prog, right, like,that's just not going to happen,
right, you know, um, probably,I mean, I guess I shouldn't say
(26:49):
shouldn't, but um, hey, you saidto practice, all right and you
can get there.
I did say to practice, um, butthere are.
There are people who are justnaturally talented with these
kinds of things.
But again, that's like witheverything, like we said, right,
there's people who there'slittle kids who pick up a guitar
for the first time and a weeklater they're playing stairway
to heaven, right, and it's likehow did that happen, right, like
(27:12):
you know, um, you know, and Ican play the guitar, but it
takes a lot of work and it takesa lot of practice and I'm never
going to be a prodigy rightwith music, um.
but so that's my point right.
And, like we were saying,there's all these different
areas within this world, so,true, whether it's mediumship or
(27:32):
, uh, psychic things or energyhealing or telekinesis or
whatever, and it seems likepeople have varying degrees of
natural ability in thosedifferent areas.
So I think it's also importantto explore and try some stuff,
because like well, I tried apsychic test and I did terrible.
And it's like, well, have youever tried telekinesis?
Have you ever tried energyhealing?
(27:53):
And so usually one of thosethings really resonates with
somebody and they're like, oh, Ilike this, this makes sense to
me.
And so it's like, well, cool,lean into that.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
right, you don't have to do everything sense to me
and so it's like well cool, Leaninto that.
Right, you don't have to doeverything.
I will say that I 100% agreewith you.
When I first was kind ofsparked by the psychic field, I
really wanted to be a psychicand that's taken a lot of work
and a lot of practice.
I thrive in energy healing andI love energy healing.
That's my jam.
(28:25):
So you're 100% correct in thatYou're right.
It's like what is what lightsyou up, what excites you?
I'll never be a Sylvia Brown.
Yeah, I mean, she'll visit mein my sleep, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I love that, you know , and I mean you know I'm the
same way, right, you know,because, of course, exploring
these things, I try to developmy own abilities, right, of
course you can't do this and golike, well, I want to do that, I
want to try this.
And you know, I've had varyingdegrees of success with just
about everything I've tried.
But there are certain thingsthat I'm much more attracted to
and I feel resonate with me justmore naturally Energy, healing,
(29:08):
psychokinesis.
For me, those are way, theymake way more sense to me.
I think I'm more skilled atthose, and so it's like, okay,
well, why am I trying?
to turn myself into a mediumwhen I'm not, and I've got these
other abilities that I couldcultivate.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Listen, I will refer you to an amazing medium.
Come to me for this Like and.
I think that's the other thingwith the spiritual field is we
all have different.
You know abilities and skillsand you know you might go to
someone you're like.
I resonate with that, but thenI can refer you to someone else
that I know that doesn't havethe same skill sets that I have.
That maybe you're looking toconnect with your grandma.
(29:41):
Yes, I can bring your grandmain, but not the way that you
want me to bring her in.
So that's so interesting.
So before I ask you the lastquestion, if anyone's interested
in learning more about you andalso you have devices that are
for sale where's the best placefor them to go to?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The best place is our website, which is
psychicmindsciencecom.
It's all one word.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And the other cool thing about his site is that he
has a lot of guided meditationson there, so, like there's a
third eye one, there's a lot ofdifferent meditations on there
that you can definitely listento, which I think is really cool
that you offer that.
So let me ask you this where doyou see the field of psychic
research and understandingheading in the future,
(30:25):
especially in the context ofadvancements in neuroscience and
technology?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, good question.
Partly I don't know.
One thing that I've been seeingis that there seems to be more
and more interest in these areas, which is interesting.
I feel like that's a good sign,I agree.
However, there's still not alot of money out there for doing
quality research.
(30:52):
So, also agree, yeah, there'sonly a handful of places that
have grants and you know it'svery competitive because all of
us out there that want to dothis work are all competing for
the same little pile of money.
So I don't know where the fieldis going to go.
Necessarily, some of my personalinterests are in doing a more
(31:18):
methodical examination of usingthe technology as a boost to
some of these abilities and, youknow, to really test that in a
more methodical way, you know,rather than bringing people in
the office and we try variousthings and see what happens and
right, you know, I think we knowenough now that you know we
(31:42):
could set up a study to do that,you know, but it's complicated.
Obviously, you know the brainscience.
I honestly I don't know that weneed a whole lot more brain
science.
I feel like.
I feel like we kind of haveenough of a basic understanding
that that could carry us for awhile if we can apply it.
(32:04):
I think that's the next area ishow do we apply what we know?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
No, absolutely, and I think maybe almost the
technology needs to catch up tothe brain science and to be able
to really hone out Cause, asyou were talking, I'm like, oh,
I wonder if he's seen thisdevice.
I wonder if he's seen thisdevice.
Like there's all thesedifferent devices that we all
need to test and experiment with.
Well, I want to thank you so somuch for calling us virtual
spotlight series.
(32:30):
This has been an amazingconversation.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Thank you so much, yeah it was a lot of fun, thank
you.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to our SpiritualSpotlight Series.
Today I am joined by Dr JeffTarrant.
He is a psychologist and todaywe're actually going to be
focusing on his new bookBecoming Psychic Lessons from
the Minds and Mediums, healersand Psychics.
Thank you so much for coming onSpiritual Spotlight Series.
I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thank you for inviting me.
It's great to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So let's just I'm going to ask you one question
first.
So you transitioned from ahardcore skeptic to someone
deeply immersed in the study ofpsychic phenomenon.
Can you maybe share a pivotalmoment or experience that
signified that kind of shiftedyour perception in?
I don't believe in this tomaybe some of this is legitimate
.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oof, it'd be tough to pick.
I don't know.
That it was one thing, right,yeah.
And to be fair, you know, as ayounger child and even as an
adolescent, I was open to allthis weird stuff, right.
And then I kind of shut it alldown again and then it kind of
reemerged, and so I think it'sactually been kind of my natural
(01:04):
way of thinking about the worldis more being open to all of
this, and so I think actually itwas more just a series of
events and experiences of justbecoming more flexible after I
kind of got out of school andstarted kind of remembering some
of what I was into before,right.
(01:25):
So I don't, I don't necessarilythink there was one thing.
I mean, there have certainlybeen some big experiences I've
had that changed my, myworldview, right, right, but I
don't think it was one thingnecessarily.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That's interesting.
So in your book BecomingPsychic you explore the
connection between brainactivity and psychic abilities,
like that's the big focus inyour book.
Can you explain how specificbrain waves or regions are
associated with these abilities?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Sure, and you know, of course it's complicated.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I will say his book is very meaty, Like it is not a.
I can't just pick it up Likeyou have to go through it
chapter by chapter to absorb theinformation.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's fair, you know .
I would say the brainwaves thatseem to be most involved with
you know, whether it's psychicactivity or spirit communication
or energy healing, thebrainwaves that show up the most
often are theta and gamma, andthat's not going to be a
(02:31):
surprise to a lot of people whoare listening to this if they're
familiar with any work in thiskind of world.
Theta is a slower brainwave andis often associated with the
subconscious, hypnotic states,deep states of meditation.
It's a state where we tend tobe more open and more receptive.
(02:53):
Gamma is the fastest brainwavethat we measure and is
associated with lots of things.
But one of the things thatpeople get excited about with
gamma is these kind of flowstates or being in the zone or
sort of understanding things ata high level without effort, and
so those two together seem tobe the magic combo and sometimes
they happen together.
(03:13):
You know that's amisunderstanding.
I think about brainwaves isthat we kind of only make one at
a time, and the reality iswe're making all of the
brainwaves all the time.
So it's more about arelationship.
How much of each one are we,you know?
Do we have it in a particularmoment?
Right?
(03:40):
Clear distinction between rightand left hemisphere activity and
this was something that,honestly, at the beginning I
kind of poo-pooed, I kind ofthought, yeah, that's all just
pop psychology, there's not muchto that.
And then, after studying dozensand dozens of gifted
individuals, it's like, oh, itkeeps showing up that the right
(04:02):
side seems to be more importantfor these activities than the
left hemisphere.
And it makes some sense becausethe left hemisphere is more
logical, linear, languageoriented, whereas the right side
is much more experiential andmore present, moment focused.
The other specific regions youknow we don't have enough time
(04:40):
to get into all of them, but theones that I'll mention just
really quick.
The right parietal lobe, sokind of in the back right
quadrant of the brain, is oftenreferred to as the God spot, and
it's a very interesting part ofthe brain because its normal
function is to create boundariesand so it creates a separation.
You know I'm Jeff, I live inthis little body, you know
you're Rachel, you live in yourlittle body over there and we're
(05:02):
totally separate.
But then, when you disrupt thefunctioning of that part of the
brain, it seems to allow more ofthat empathy, more ability to
connect outside of yourself, sothose boundaries don't exist.
The same way.
Other parts of the brain thatshow up are the frontal lobe,
especially the right frontallobe, which is involved in a lot
(05:24):
of things like impulse controlas well as how you pay attention
.
And so how you pay attention is, of course, going to be
important for some of theseskills.
You have to change the wayyou're paying attention.
And then the third one I'llmention real quick is the
occipital lobe, in the very backof the brain, which we
associate with visual processing.
And again, it kind of makessense If you're seeing something
(05:47):
that exists in a more subtlerealm, it kind of makes sense
that that's going to getprocessed somewhere in your
brain and it gets processed inthe visual lobes.
Even though you're not seeingsomething with your eyeballs, it
doesn't matter.
The brain still processesvisual information in that part
of the brain.
So I'd say those are the bigthree.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, so one of the goals of your book is to help
others tap into their ownpsychic abilities, which most of
my listeners definitely want toopen, and expand more of their
abilities.
Can you maybe tell us what aresome of the initial steps or
practices you would recommendfor beginners on this path?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I'd say there's three things, and the first one
is going to be really obviousPractice.
You know, whatever skill it isyou're trying to develop, it's
pretty clear that the more timeyou put in, the better you get.
This is, you know, it's soobvious, it almost doesn't even.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's so true and so it's with everything, anything
you want to become better at,you need to practice.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, if you want to get better at playing a musical
instrument, well, guess what?
You know, you got to put timein and so you know, I think some
people they just want it tojust pop, you know, magically
emerge and it's like I thinkthose abilities are there.
But you have to really practiceshifting your brain in such a
way that you can get your normalconscious brain functioning out
(07:13):
of the way to access theseabilities.
So practicing is huge.
The next thing I would say ismeditation, and I'll expound on
that just a little bit, becausevirtually every psychic medium
I've ever interviewed has saidmeditation.
Like, if you ask them and saywhat's the thing to do, almost
(07:33):
100% will say meditate.
And there's a lot of differentkinds of meditation.
So this gets complicated, right, because it's like well, great,
what kind of meditation?
And my answer would be well, itdepends.
It depends on what you're tryingto cultivate, because different
types of meditation impactdifferent parts of the brain in
different ways.
(07:54):
So it kind of gets to the thirdpart, which is using technology
to kind of nudge the brain inthe direction that you're
wanting it to go, and so there'svarious ways we can use
neurofeedback, or audiovisualentrainment, or low power,
repetitive magnetic stimulation,All of these things can kind of
(08:17):
encourage or coax the braininto specific patterns, and so
it's a little bit of liketraining wheels.
I think, right, that it's kindof nudging the brain where you
want it to go, but you stillhave to practice the skills.
Just because your brain isdoing a certain thing doesn't
mean you're going to be psychicall of a sudden.
You still have to practice, andmeditation is kind of the same
(08:37):
way.
You're training the brain to beable to step into different
states of consciousness andhopefully get skilled enough
that you can navigate that atwill and have enough flexibility
in the way your brain operatesthat you can tap into these
things.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I really liked that you brought in the technology
piece of it to maybe help youopen it up a little bit more,
and one of the things in yourbook, like you said, was the
audio vision entrainment.
I found that to be fascinatingand the devices that you have on
your website like that was.
So can you tell us a little bitmore about those devices?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah.
And so you know, since youbrought up audio visual
entrainment, I'll start withthat and really what it involves
is and this technology has beenaround for a long time, it's
not like it's new technology andyou know, my background is as a
psychologist and so I've usedthis historically for mental
health, you know, to help peoplereduce anxiety or, you know,
(09:37):
activate their brain better, for, you know, cognitive
functioning, whatever.
But essentially what it is is aspecialized set of glasses that
has lights built into the eyeset, and you put them on and you
close your eyes, pick a programdepending on what you're
wanting to do, and then thelights flicker on and off at a
specific rate depending on whatyou chose, and so literally
(10:00):
they're going on and off acertain number of times a second
, and then you have headphoneson with tones in them that match
the glasses, and so essentiallywhat's happening is your brain
will start to match thosefrequencies.
So if you're pulsing a light sixtimes a second, that's in the
(10:20):
theta frequency range.
Theta is between four and eighthertz, four to eight cycles per
second.
So if you flash lights sixhertz, which is in that theta
range, your brain will startmatching it and will start
making more theta, and so it's away to kind of coax the brain,
or not even coax.
Well, I guess it's coax, butyou're kind of nudging the brain
(10:42):
toward a specific, to producemore of a specific frequency,
and so this can be a reallyuseful way to you know, if
you're not used to being incertain states of consciousness,
it's a nice way to kind of likekickstart the process and kind
of get you there a little bitquicker.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I found it to be very fascinating.
I'm somebody like I read therecords and you go, you shift
into different, you knowconsciousness and it's
definitely in the thetabrainwave state and I was like,
wow, that'd be so interesting touse that device and to kind of
relate it to what I do in myhealing business and to see what
are the parallels and, like yousaid, maybe I could coax my
(11:26):
brain a little bit faster intothat state.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah Well, and one of the things that I've kind of
discovered after experimentingwith this with a bunch of people
is that people that are alreadyat least a little bit tapped in
to whatever it is whether it'senergy healing or psychic
abilities or whatever they tendto have a really strong response
to the glasses.
It's almost like the brain'salready a little bit there and
(11:51):
you're just kicking it into gear.
People that maybe haven'treally explored this at all.
It's kind of hit and miss.
It doesn't always, you know.
Sometimes they're just likewell, that was nice, that was
relaxing, and it's like you know.
And again it kind of goes towhat I was saying like you kind
of have to practice the skillstoo.
The glasses aren't just goingto make you psychic, they can
(12:12):
help unlock some of that, butyou still have to learn how to
sort of tap into that type ofinformation.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
That's so interesting .
So each chapter of your bookends with a practical exercise,
so the try it yourself section.
Can you maybe share onetechnique that has been
particularly effective for yourreaders or students?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oof.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, I know they're all very interesting and I will
say that when I was goingthrough the book I was very much
Ooh, got to do that.
Ooh, I've done that.
Oh, I'm so happy you talkedabout that.
Ooh, I'm going to do that.
I don't want to do that.
I don't like the mirror idea.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, and part of my hesitation is just because each
chapter deals with such adifferent topic, that well,
largely.
And so it's a little trickybecause all the try it yourself
sections are specific to thatchapter, right, and so the one
that I talk, the one that I talkabout frequently, just and I
think it's just a personalfavorite of mine, cause it gets
(13:10):
really directly to that practiceidea that we've been talking
about is just like using a deckof cards or something and trying
to predict.
You know, and one of thereasons it's such again, it's a
simple.
I like bringing it up causeit's simple Everybody has a deck
of cards.
You don't have to go out andspend a bunch of money and you
can learn so much about yourselfand how you work and how your
(13:33):
logical brain tries to take overthe session and predict and
analyze and assess, and so justdoing that on a, you know, a
regular basis, I think makes abig difference because you can
start to feel what does it feellike?
And I think that felt sense isimportant what does it feel like
when I'm right, when I get itright, when I predict the next
(13:56):
card or the next coloraccurately, versus when I don't?
And it's subtle, it's not, youknow, it usually doesn't hit you
over the head.
So it takes practice andrepetition to start to identify
what those feeling states are.
And I think that's importantbecause then you can start to
notice oh, am I in that space ornot, and you know.
(14:19):
And that can help you start tofine tune.
You know your own psychicpractice.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, I will say that I like that you brought that up
in the book, because I think Iuse the same app that you
referenced in it, like, oh, I'vedone that.
I did that before.
I sucked at it, but then I gotbetter with practice and then I
get mad and then I stopped usingit.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, and it's funny because I've also noticed that
some people tend to do betterwith more apps, some people with
more physical cards, somepeople do better with using
colors versus like somethinglike numbers or you know,
there's all these weird littlesubtle variations, that and so
you have to experiment with thattoo, right, that's a good point
(15:05):
.
And some people do better withmore like a telepathy type
practice where we're sittingtogether and you're looking at
the card and I'm trying to readyour mind, versus just
predicting what the next card isthat I'm going to turn over
myself.
People have different skillsets, and so you know it's
useful, I think, to explore thatas well.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And so you know.
It's useful, I think, toexplore that as well.
So many different senses thatyou have within yourself, how do
you help people through thatLike this may not be your
strongest sense, you have towork at it, but maybe this one's
coming forward for you a littlebit stronger.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, I mean, really what I've kind of found to be
the most effective way to dothat is, you know, like we teach
some like online classes andthings like that.
And you know, after everyexercise we try there's always
some sort of discussion,debriefing process, and really I
feel like that, in some ways,is almost the most valuable
aspect, because it helps peoplestart to clarify.
(16:16):
You know, they're like well, Ididn't see anything but, and
then they might bring upsomething else, and so it's like
then we can encourage thatRight, and it's like well, wait
a minute, okay, you don't haveto see it.
You know, like, maybe you justfeel it, maybe you just know, or
maybe you hear something, ormaybe there's some other kind of
subtle signal that you'regetting in your body.
(16:36):
I know a lot of people that feelsomething in their body, and so
helping people to sort of tapin or tune in enough that they
can start to recognize that ohwait, there are all these other
ways to get clues about you knowwhat's happening internally,
that you know sometimes it justtakes some exploration for
(16:57):
people to understand like, oh,that's my strong suit.
Oh, okay, like I don't have tosee things, which is a good
thing Like I'm terrible atseeing things.
That's not my strong suit, andif I was relying on that I would
probably just give up, becauseI will say that I'm the same way
.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
When I first kind of started down this intuitive path
, psychic path, I was veryfrustrated because I wasn't able
to see in the normal way.
And then, after years and yearsof practice and whatnot, I I'm
grateful that I'm more sensingand knowing that I am seeing,
because I don't want to see aghost.
I'm good, I'll see them inmeditation, but other than that,
(17:36):
I'm good, I'm a chicken is whatI'm trying to tell you.
Maybe I put a block on it, butI just I will say like I'm, I'm
grateful that you kind ofbrought it up that way, just
because I think people get hardon themselves, that they assume
that this is how I should be asa psychic and or intuitive or
medium or an energy healer.
(17:57):
And I think you know with yourbook you can, you can tap into,
there's all different ways toopen up your abilities and maybe
try this or try that and seewhat works for you.
I think that's perfect.
So let me ask you this as aformer skeptic I know we brought
this up in the beginning whatwould you say to those who still
doubt the existence orpossibility of psychic abilities
(18:18):
?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing I would say is
you know, I totally get it.
I understand why people areskeptical and there's and I'm
still skeptical, even thoughI've seen a lot of things and I
believe in the possibility ofjust about anything at this
point.
But but at the same time, justbecause somebody calls me up and
says, oh, I can do this or thator the other thing, my first
(18:43):
reaction is usually like yeah,we'll see.
My first reaction is to doubt.
And I don't know that that'snecessarily bad, right.
I mean, we need to have acritical mind and we don't want
to just accept everything as thetruth.
(19:04):
And to people who just havewritten off the possibility that
any of this is real, you know,I really just encourage them,
like have an open mind.
You know, the world is a muchstranger and bigger place than
most of us can even imagine.
And you know, if you're closedoff to the possibility, I can
guarantee you won't ever seeanything.
And so you know you have tokind of accept that.
(19:28):
It's like, well, maybe there is.
Can I just be agnostic about it, you know?
And it's like, well, maybe thatexists.
I've never seen anything, butyou know, what do.
I know, maybe I can be open tothe potential, because for me,
you know, even though I believedin a lot of this stuff, once I
kind of rounded the corner, soto speak I was still super
(19:48):
skeptical.
But then there were a few timesI saw things that there was no
way, like I could not refutewhat I saw.
Right, it was way too big andand way too powerful, that it
was like whoa, okay, clearlythis world is way crazier than I
ever imagined, and so you know.
(20:09):
But again, I don't think Icould have seen that earlier.
I had to have been open to itand say yes to different
opportunities, which is, I mean,it's something I try to do.
Now, you know, if somethingreally grabs me and or somebody
calls me and says, hey, you know, I'm on it, I'll hop on a plane
, I'll go check it out and see,you know.
You know I want to investigateand sometimes it's a bust.
(20:32):
Sometimes I show up and I waslike you know, but again, you
have to share some examples of abust.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
No, I'm sorry, it's interesting yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I mean, I don't want to be too specific, right Cause
I don't want to be vague.
Yeah, you know, um, you know Iwill get introduced because I've
been doing this work for, youknow, 11 years now.
Right, so I'll get introducedto different people that have
claimed to have differentabilities.
(21:04):
And so, you know, there aretimes where I'm like, okay, yeah
, cool, you know, like let's,let's do some brain mapping,
let's see what's going on.
And you know, we end up gettingtogether one way or another and
we run a few tests and it'skind of like there's really not
much there to see.
The way that they do their workIsn't super impressive.
(21:25):
They, they don't come up withanything that's really
evidential.
And for the folks that aren'tfamiliar with that term, in this
context, like in mediumship inparticular, they use that term
evidential like to bring forthinformation that is very clear
and specific to what you'relooking at.
So it's not something vague,and you know.
(21:46):
And so if they come in and allthey give me is vague stuff and
the brain isn't looking thatinteresting, it's kind of like,
you know, it's like, well, youknow you just wasted a half a
day.
But but again, like you know,if you don't put yourself in
those opportunities, you don'tknow, you don't know what you're
going to get.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I mean, I do think so .
I'm a registered nurse and Iactually manage a doctor's
office in my day job and what Irespect so much about your book
and about your studies is thatit's linked to science.
It's linked to, you know,actual, like you said, like
evidential, like there's actualresults in your book.
And I, and I feel that if I runacross some skeptics, I you
said like evidential, likethere's actual results in your
book, and I, and I feel that ifI run across some skeptics, I
can say read this book Like, Imean honestly, like it helps me
(22:33):
as a, as a nurse, becausesometimes I'm like, is this real
or am I just fluffing this oris this my imagination?
And I like, I like that you'relike no, you can actually test
the brain, see what's going onand it could be real.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, good, I'm glad because you know, I think that's
one of the pieces I was hopingwould happen with the book is
that it would encourage people.
You know that it's like youdon't have to again, like I said
earlier, you don't have to justaccept everything Right.
But you know there is way moregoing on out there, and so just
be open-minded to it and look atthe research.
(23:11):
There's a lot of researchthat's very convincing and
hardcore skeptics will say, oh,there's no research to back it
up and it's like, actuallythere's a ton of research, a lot
of research.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
There's a lot of research.
I mean, even, who is it?
Is it a moto who did the studyon the water?
And if you program the waterwith positivity and it's just
like there's so much, there's somuch studies out there.
You just have to be willing tolook, and you also brought up a
good point.
You also need to be able todiscern is this truth or is this
(23:43):
just fluff?
You know, because there is alot of fluff in the psychic
industry, unfortunately there is.
So let me ask you this what aresome common challenges or
misconceptions people face whentrying to develop their psychic
abilities, and how does yourbook address these?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yes, common misconceptions yeah, Um.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Hmm, he's like none.
This is perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean, I, I guess I would say you know, one of the
misconceptions I think thatpeople have is that, um, and
this is a big one, this comes upa lot is that you know, only
certain people have theseabilities.
You know so the, the you know,the Laura Lynn Jackson's and the
you know uh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Sylvia Brown, james Van Praagh right.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know all the big names, right, that they have a
TV show and they, you know that,that they're special and they
can do this.
But I can't, I'm not special, Idon't have these abilities.
And again, I I'd say this is a100% of the mediums and psychics
I've talked to.
They say they're like noeverybody has this potential.
And the further I get down thisrabbit hole of studying these
(24:58):
things, the more convinced I amthat that's true, that we're all
born with this innate abilityand that it gets essentially
shut down as we get older, as wedevelop language, as we leave
childhood, as we startconforming to our culture and
our societal beliefs aboutwhat's real and what's possible
(25:20):
and what's not.
That it essentially shuts downthose connections, but they're
still hidden in there somewhere,right, it's almost like the
subconscious mind, right?
There's all kinds of stuff inthe subconscious mind, and just
because you're not aware of itdoesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's in there.
(25:41):
And when you look at surveys ofpeople who have had precognitive
experiences or you know, dreamvisitations or whatever, the
numbers are staggeringly high.
You know, the vast majority ofpeople have experienced some
kind of psychic or spiritcommunication thing
spontaneously, but we just writeit off, it was like, oh, that
(26:04):
was a coincidence, or oh, thatwas my imagination.
And it's like, well, no, thatwas something snuck through, so
true.
And so I think that's a hugemisconception that people have.
Is that, well, I can't do this?
And it's like, well, if youreally want to, you can, and you
just have to sort of learn howto unlock that and and decide,
(26:26):
decide that it's something youwant to do, um, you know, and so
, like, we were kind of saying,right, like, and let me clarify
just a little bit because andthere are people that are
naturally gifted in theseabilities, right For sure.
And so you know, I'm nevergoing to be a James Bond prog,
right, that's just not going tohappen.
Right, you know, um, probably,I mean, I'm never going to be a
James Bond prog, right, like,that's just not going to happen,
right, you know, um, probably,I mean, I guess I shouldn't say
(26:49):
shouldn't, but um, hey, you saidto practice, all right and you
can get there.
I did say to practice, um, butthere are.
There are people who are justnaturally talented with these
kinds of things.
But again, that's like witheverything, like we said, right,
there's people who there'slittle kids who pick up a guitar
for the first time and a weeklater they're playing stairway
to heaven, right, and it's likehow did that happen, right, like
(27:12):
you know, um, you know, and Ican play the guitar, but it
takes a lot of work and it takesa lot of practice and I'm never
going to be a prodigy rightwith music, um.
but so that's my point right.
And, like we were saying,there's all these different
areas within this world, so,true, whether it's mediumship or
(27:32):
, uh, psychic things or energyhealing or telekinesis or
whatever, and it seems likepeople have varying degrees of
natural ability in thosedifferent areas.
So I think it's also importantto explore and try some stuff,
because like well, I tried apsychic test and I did terrible.
And it's like, well, have youever tried telekinesis?
Have you ever tried energyhealing?
(27:53):
And so usually one of thosethings really resonates with
somebody and they're like, oh, Ilike this, this makes sense to
me.
And so it's like, well, cool,lean into that.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
right, you don't have to do everything sense to me
and so it's like well cool, Leaninto that.
Right, you don't have to doeverything.
I will say that I 100% agreewith you.
When I first was kind ofsparked by the psychic field, I
really wanted to be a psychicand that's taken a lot of work
and a lot of practice.
I thrive in energy healing andI love energy healing.
That's my jam.
(28:25):
So you're 100% correct in thatYou're right.
It's like what is what lightsyou up, what excites you?
I'll never be a Sylvia Brown.
Yeah, I mean, she'll visit mein my sleep, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I love that, you know , and I mean you know I'm the
same way, right, you know,because, of course, exploring
these things, I try to developmy own abilities, right, of
course you can't do this and golike, well, I want to do that, I
want to try this.
And you know, I've had varyingdegrees of success with just
about everything I've tried.
But there are certain thingsthat I'm much more attracted to
and I feel resonate with me justmore naturally Energy, healing,
(29:08):
psychokinesis.
For me, those are way, theymake way more sense to me.
I think I'm more skilled atthose, and so it's like, okay,
well, why am I trying?
to turn myself into a mediumwhen I'm not, and I've got these
other abilities that I couldcultivate.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Listen, I will refer you to an amazing medium.
Come to me for this Like and.
I think that's the other thingwith the spiritual field is we
all have different.
You know abilities and skillsand you know you might go to
someone you're like.
I resonate with that, but thenI can refer you to someone else
that I know that doesn't havethe same skill sets that I have.
That maybe you're looking toconnect with your grandma.
(29:41):
Yes, I can bring your grandmain, but not the way that you
want me to bring her in.
So that's so interesting.
So before I ask you the lastquestion, if anyone's interested
in learning more about you andalso you have devices that are
for sale where's the best placefor them to go to?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The best place is our website, which is
psychicmindsciencecom.
It's all one word.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And the other cool thing about his site is that he
has a lot of guided meditationson there, so, like there's a
third eye one, there's a lot ofdifferent meditations on there
that you can definitely listento, which I think is really cool
that you offer that.
So let me ask you this where doyou see the field of psychic
research and understandingheading in the future,
(30:25):
especially in the context ofadvancements in neuroscience and
technology?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, good question.
Partly I don't know.
One thing that I've been seeingis that there seems to be more
and more interest in these areas, which is interesting.
I feel like that's a good sign,I agree.
However, there's still not alot of money out there for doing
quality research.
(30:52):
So, also agree, yeah, there'sonly a handful of places that
have grants and you know it'svery competitive because all of
us out there that want to dothis work are all competing for
the same little pile of money.
So I don't know where the fieldis going to go.
Necessarily, some of my personalinterests are in doing a more
(31:18):
methodical examination of usingthe technology as a boost to
some of these abilities and, youknow, to really test that in a
more methodical way, you know,rather than bringing people in
the office and we try variousthings and see what happens and
right, you know, I think we knowenough now that you know we
(31:42):
could set up a study to do that,you know, but it's complicated.
Obviously, you know the brainscience.
I honestly I don't know that weneed a whole lot more brain
science.
I feel like.
I feel like we kind of haveenough of a basic understanding
that that could carry us for awhile if we can apply it.
(32:04):
I think that's the next area ishow do we apply what we know?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
No, absolutely, and I think maybe almost the
technology needs to catch up tothe brain science and to be able
to really hone out Cause, asyou were talking, I'm like, oh,
I wonder if he's seen thisdevice.
I wonder if he's seen thisdevice.
Like there's all thesedifferent devices that we all
need to test and experiment with.
Well, I want to thank you so somuch for calling us virtual
spotlight series.
(32:30):
This has been an amazingconversation.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Thank you so much, yeah it was a lot of fun, thank
you.
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