What happens when a childhood dining room séance reveals an unexpected spiritual gift?
At just eight years old, Kelly Palmatier accurately channeled information about her mother’s future job 400 miles away—igniting a lifelong journey with spirit. Decades later, after a corporate career and a waterfall awakening in 2017, Kelly embraced her calling as an evidential psychic medium, offering verifiable, healing connections for those seeking proof of life beyond death.
In this illuminating conversation, Kelly shares:
- The difference between evidential mediumship and general psychic work
- How specific validations help clients release grief and guilt
- Her rigorous approach to spiritual integrity, energy hygiene, and grounding
- How she addresses skepticism with transparency and compassion
- Practical advice for developing your own intuitive abilities
Kelly reminds us that intuition is like a muscle—the more you use it, the stronger it becomes. Whether you’re curious about psychic development or looking for comfort after loss, this episode will expand your understanding of what’s possible between worlds.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everyone, welcome to the Spiritual
Spotlight Series.
Today I am joined by KellyPalmatier.
She is an evidential psychicmedium with over 30 years of
experience.
Kelly, thank you so much forcoming on the Spiritual
Spotlight Series.
I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thank you for having me, rachel.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm happy to be here, so you received your first
spirit message at just eightyears old.
What was that experience like,and how did your family respond
to that?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So it actually happened when we were having a
seance around the dining tableafter dinner one night.
What I didn't know?
Don't don't all families justhappen to have seances
periodically after dinner onenight?
Yeah, um, fascinating.
Of course I didn't realize itwas weird, uh, unusual, until
(00:51):
years later, because, you know,when you're a kid, you
experience stuff.
It's just like, oh, okay, thisis what we're doing, okay, this
is what life's about.
All right then, true, um, butyeah, my, my uh, stepfather, my
papa, who raised me, um, he, hehad a strong spiritual side and
he just decided to leave us in aseance one evening.
(01:14):
So it was, um, my, my papa, mymother, my sister and me all
sitting around and we had acandle lit and he just had us
hold hands and relax and breathedeeply and close our eyes and
just speak up.
If you feel like you're gettingany messages and then he was
talking and saying spirit, ifthere, if there's anything that
(01:35):
we need to know, you know we'relistening and and I just chimed
right in I'm like, oh, you know,I feel like I've got my great
grandfather and he wants us toknow that my mom is going to get
a job in Atlanta, 400 milesaway and that you know she's
going to be hired to do that,host that TV show and we should
(01:59):
start looking for a house.
So all that came to pass and atthe time it just seemed like I
don't know, guesswork, natural,yeah, imagination, it was just.
It didn't seem weird oranything.
It was just kind of like ohwell, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But in hindsight, now that I'm a medium, I'm like oh,
hmm, okay, I think that is themost interesting story about
connecting with spirit that Ihave, and I've done well over
250 interviews.
This is fascinating to me, likeif I hear Papa was like no,
(02:37):
let's go, like come on, let's dothis.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, normal is not my, my what I'm
known for.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I love that.
So you have studiedparapsychology and work with
mentors in England.
How did academic and intuitivetraining shape your mediumship
style?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So when I studied parapsychology it was and I
don't claim to have a degree inthat, but I really loved
studying I went to University ofKent at Canterbury in England.
So I was a short-term studentthere and I studied with
Professor Chris Cherry and Itook a great course that he
offered on issues on the self,issues in religion,
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parapsychology and philosophy,and so you know, we talked a
little bit about all of that.
But then Chris Cherry and Ideveloped a friendship and he
was very interested inparapsychology so we would talk
about a lot of additionalparapsychology things behind the
scenes.
We tried some experiments witheach other, like telepathically
sending and receiving and makingsketches of what we received
(03:44):
and stuff like that and uh.
And then he also hooked me upwith other people that he knew
who were doing different uhexperiments and whatnot, so I
was able to participate on asubject level in those.
So that was really interesting.
And then also while over there,I met Jo Nguyen and she was my
(04:08):
first and best ever mentor.
So she's very strongpsychically and she and I are
still good friends to this day.
We do Zoom calls across thepond regularly, so I had a lot
of great mentorship when I wasover there.
Now, how did that affect mytraining?
Well, when I was with Joe, shetaught me so much about psychic
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energy, working with psychicenergy, psychic protection,
things like that things thatreally became the foundation for
my skills.
But it's interesting, I didn'ttake like any formal course on
how to do psychic work.
I just read books and talked topeople and practiced, and so I
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did readings off and on for 30something years.
But it wasn't until I was mucholder, 30 years later, when I
got a direct message from spirittelling me to become a medium.
So that's really when thingsstarted taking off in that
direction.
I don't want to jump too farahead because I know you've got
(05:11):
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Oh, my goodness, I love this.
So was this, is this in 2017,when you finally said yes to
mediumship.
So it's like what?
I guess what inspired you thento finally say yes, even after
decades of psychic work?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So when we talk about decades of psychic work, it was
basically doing readings forfamily and friends.
So I wasn't a professionalpsychic for those 30 years.
I was very psychic in my ownlife and, you know, I would do
readings for family and friends,but it was, you know, when I
graduated from college.
The internet didn't exist.
(05:49):
I'm aging myself, but that's,that's the truth.
So becoming a professionalpsychic would mean like having a
neon sign in my window on theside of the highway.
You know it's like.
That's not for me.
So I ended up entering thecorporate world and I worked in
the corporate world for decades,but it was in 2017.
(06:12):
I was, I was meditating and Iwas on a hike with my husband in
DuPont State Forest.
We were visiting high falls andI was sitting at the base of
the waterfall and I wasmeditating and praying and
getting in touch with nature andspirit, talking to loved ones
I've lost, not necessarilyexpecting to hear anything back,
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but just, you know, asking forguidance.
And so I asked.
I said you know, I want to makea difference in the world.
If there's something I can dothat I'm not already doing,
please give me a sign and I'lltry to listen to whatever you
tell me, and of course, at thetime I was expecting something
subtle.
You know, friend loans me abook or something like that.
(06:55):
No, what I got was a lightningbolt.
Just kidding Felt like alightning bolt.
I got a direct answer justpopped in my head telling me to
become a medium to channel lovedones who have crossed over.
So I was like, okay, how shallI do that?
I mean, I knew what mediumswere, I'd seen them on TV, but I
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never identified as a mediummyself.
And so I got the direct messageanswering me in my head.
It said to read books, spendtime in meditation and connect
with other psychic mediums.
So I started doing all thatright away.
By the end of the month I waschanneling.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I love that and you do bring up a very valid
point of like.
Before the Internet, it wasn'tlike you could just find a
psychic medium.
You would have to drive aroundor word of mouth or you know you
, probably your vibe isn't likehey, come see me.
It's a completely differenttime now.
(07:57):
Wow, so different so you youdescribe yourself as an empath
and clairvoyant, with all sixclairs.
How do you manage these giftsin your daily life?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I'm going to back up for a moment because I don't
claim to have all of the clairsClose.
But so I am an empath.
I do feel the emotions ofothers.
I'm clairvoyant, so Ipsychically see images
Clairaudient.
I hear messages Clairalient.
I get psychic smellsClairaudient.
I hear messages Clairalient.
I get psychic smellsClairsentient.
So I physically feel the energy.
And also claircognizant.
(08:30):
So sometimes I just know things.
But I don't actually claim tohave all the clairs.
Clairgustens is taste and I'vegotten that a couple times, but
that one is very rare for me.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So how do you manage having alot of the Claire's in your
daily life?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, you know, I do practice really strong psychic
hygiene.
You know I know how to openmyself up and I know how to
close myself down and that's, Ithink, important one of the
basics for anybody that'sinvolved in this sort of work.
I actually do a lot ofmentoring.
I offer psychic developmentmentorship.
(09:12):
It's one of the main serviceson my website, so I guide people
through this sort of thing alot, and the main things that I
always start off with is I wantto make sure people are familiar
with grounding.
You need to be well grounded ifyou're going to do this sort of
thing Cleansing, you know youneed to make sure that your
energy in your space and and youknow, even bodies, you know
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cleansing.
And then psychic protection.
You know you need to have allthese things in place and in my
case, I feel like the ability toturn it on and turning off is
also one of those fundamentalsthat everybody needs to have.
So, yeah, I, if I go into aspace and it's particularly
heavy if it's, if it's superstrong I'll be like.
(09:55):
You know I don't like this, butI've got my shield up, so it's
no big deal if I need to bethere for a while.
So I know how to be able to gointo a grocery store or a
crowded restaurant or a dancefloor, and I don't have to, you
know, be miserable because ofall the spirit.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, I respect that so much as being a psychic
medium, that you definitely havethese strong, energetic
spiritual hygiene practices inplace.
And you do that also with yourstudents, with your psychic
development, because there, youknow, there tend to be sometimes
people who do not necessarilyhave that training, that they're
just wide open and it's likethey're just bringing in all of
(10:38):
that gunk and it's like, oh,yeah, and you need to be aware
of that.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, if you start developing and you're not
using good psychic hygiene, it'slike a beacon.
You know you've got this biglight flashing.
You know I can hear you comehang out with me and then you're
like drawing in all kinds oflike.
Oh no, I didn't need themosquitoes or the you know
whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Don't come in my bedroom.
I'm good Like, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Now I'm sleeping.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, yeah, so so true.
So has there ever been a timethat you may resisted or doubted
your path as a medium, and ifso, how did you move through
that?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So I believe that most psychics and mediums
experience doubt.
I think that is just part ofthe territory and it's funny.
I actually kind of feel likethat's one of my life lessons.
In this lifetime, because I'mdefinitely a perfectionist, I
work my tail off and I try tomake sure that I, like, do every
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single thing that I do in a waythat is professional and top
notch, and you know, so.
So I'm a total perfectionist,and yet I've chosen a career
that I don't have control over.
You know, when I'm doingmediumship work, I can't
guarantee who's going to comethrough.
I can't guarantee whatinformation is going to come
through.
I can't guarantee how strongthat's going to come through.
(12:03):
I have learned that I have tobe able to be like okay.
I've done all the preparation.
What will be will be.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, wow.
So how did you kind of acceptthe fact that the career that
you're in and kind of yoursoul's mission, maybe
perfectionism is something youhad to like be okay with not
being perfect all the time?
How did you kind of get overthat?
I wouldn't say I'm over?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
it.
It haunts me every day.
Um, seriously, I mean everyreading that I do.
I want every moment of everyreading to be spectacular.
And a lot of times things willcome through and you'll be like,
oh, I'm getting this reallystrong and this is really unique
.
And the client will be like,well, and then you know,
(12:53):
fortunately, there are lots oftimes later when they'll be,
they'll text me and they'll belike, oh, my God, my grandmother
told me, and I didn't even knowit, you know.
So it turns out it's like adouble blind, evidential thing.
That happens.
But then there are other timeswhen it's like I don't know.
(13:28):
So I've just gotten to the pointwhere I accept that when you
think about it, rachel, whenyou're doing psychic work, the
energy that's coming in it comesin a way that that, I think,
utilizes the same muscle asimagination.
You know.
So a lot of times you're doingwork like this and you may think
, oh, I'm just imagining that.
Right, you know, but you, youjust have to go with it.
So I just make it into a thing.
I joke with my clients.
I'm like, oh, getting somethingrandom, sorry, you know, if it
doesn't make sense, maybe it'llmake sense later.
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If not no big deal and we justlaugh about it.
But then I get those crazythings like I remember this one
reading where I was like I wasso embarrassed to bring through
this information I was getting.
I was like surely this isn'tright.
Oh, sorry, I just have to sayit.
Oh, albatross around the neck,you know like that myth about
the albatross, the bad luck.
(14:10):
And my client's like yep, myuncle who died of brain cancer,
he was wearing one in his coffin.
I'm like what?
So I've just learned that, evenif it's ridiculous, you know, I
have to say it.
Yeah, inflatable Tyrannosaurusrex.
(14:31):
What, yep, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I'm like how does yeah, and also like good for you
, like when the message is thatpersistent, you're like, listen,
I'm gonna share it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It is what it is.
Yeah, it is what it is and it'sand I know that I'm risking
being wrong, yeah, and I I feellike I'm risking being ridiculed
, but I've just learned that Ihave to accept and be open and
just go with the flow and notget so caught up in every moment
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being perfect, so true.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So true.
So you've built a practicearound authenticity and ethical
boundaries.
Why is spiritual integrity soessential in your work?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, I think, because I'm so sensitive which
you know, aren't we all in thisfield, right?
But because I'm so sensitive, Iit really gets to me when I see
people bad mouthing psychicsand mediums, and so I've, I've
read some of these books about,like, how all psychics are con
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artists and here's how they dotheir tricks, and yeah, and I'm
like, and so I understand, likewhat, what people are talking
about when they talk about coldreading, when they talk about
hot reading.
And I'm never going to convincea hardcore skeptic.
That's not my job.
My job is to support people whoneed my support.
But I feel like when I'm in areading and I get something
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where people the skeptics wouldcall it out as cold reading,
I'll address it on the spot.
So, for example, I might saysomething like I'm getting the
letter J and then I say and Imight say, now, full disclosure,
j is the most common firstinitial, but nevertheless I'm
getting that.
And they're like yeah, mybrother James, you know, and so
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I've noticed that when I'm doingmy readings, a lot of times
I'll kind of give that littlebit of disclaimer.
I might be doing something andI'll be like I'm picking up on
this event that happened inGeorgia and my client will be
like I'd be like no, no, I saw404 in your area code so I know
you're from Georgia.
That's not the psychic part,but what I'm getting you know.
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So I just like to be reallyauthentic about that.
And you know like one of thethings is, will you allow, like
as a psychic practitioner, Ialways let people know that you
can have a friend book theappointment for you, so that
I'll never even know who myclient is until you're in front
of me and even then you just sayyou know, hi, I'm Kelly.
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You don't have to give me yourfull name.
So that's one way that you knowI'm not doing hot readings
where I'm researching you aheadof time.
And for people who are reallyworried about cold reading,
where you know you're gettingclues from someone's appearance
or something like that, I'm I'mfine doing just regular phone
readings.
I don't need to see my clientto do it.
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Really, I like that.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I like to point these things out.
I like that you're on you givea disclaimer.
You know, like, hey, like Iknow this of you, you know,
whereas some other you knowthere are, unfortunately,
breeders that do take advantage,and they, you know, whereas
some other you know there are,unfortunately, breeders that do
take advantage, and they, youknow they're vamping and just
trying to grab that thread Rightand I think, for your practice
also, you're an evidentialmedium.
(17:58):
For those that are new to theterm, what makes evidential
mediumship different?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
So evidential mediumship justmeans that I'm bringing through
information that validates thatI really am speaking with
someone that is a loved one foryou.
So, for example, you know, Imight say, oh, I'm getting, you
know the name, james, I'mgetting short hair, I'm getting
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a dark complexion, I'm gettingsomething in the chest.
No, this doesn't feel like theheart, it's more acute, it's
like and then they're like yeah,he was shot in the chest, you
know.
So, things like that, that'sevidential, because anybody can
just say, oh, I'm feeling yourloved one, who is it?
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You lost your husband.
Oh, yeah, james is here.
Yeah, oh, he loves you.
Oh, yep, he, he sends his loveand he says he's doing fine.
That's great.
All of that may be true, but ifyou haven't brought through
anything evidential first, itcould all be fluff.
On the other hand, if I bringthrough all evidential stuff
first and then I talk about, oh,he's right here with you, he
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loves you so much, then it'smeaningful, then it's healing,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So I know that you've done thousands of readings, so
this question may be a littleridiculous.
So, in your experience, whatare maybe some of the most
healing messages you've seencome forward from spirit in a
reading?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, so in our human experience, so oftentimes we
experience this feeling of guiltwe should have done something
better.
We should.
You know this, this feeling ofdoubt and of, you know, doubting
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ourselves.
And it's just so cathartic whenspirit comes through and says
let that go, there's no way youcould have done something.
Um, you know, an example that Igot is a a reading where I did.
This was actually a groupreading, a large group in Sedona
, the Sedona TranscendenceRetreat, and I was doing a large
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group and I was like I'mgetting the name Monica and you
know, people raise their handslike I know Monica, but she's
living.
I know Monica, but she's living.
And it's like there were likemust've been a dozen Monica's
connected to the group, but theywere all living.
And I was like, well, first ofall, that's kind of weird, cause
I didn't.
I don't know a single Monica inmy life and so quite a few.
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But you know I'm not channelinga spirit named Monica.
So what is this about?
And as, as I continued to workwith the spirit, I felt pulled
towards this one, the one personin the, towards the front
actually and, by the way, itdoesn't always have to be in the
front, they can be anywhere.
But this one person who wasnear me and she had said that I
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know Monica, but she's living Isaid I feel like I'm being drawn
to you and you're the one whereI got like one piece of
information from your fatherearlier.
Right, she's like yes, and Isaid I feel like I'm with you.
She said Monica was hiscaregiver and I said that's it.
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He is reaching out, he wants tosend his love to Monica to say
thank you for everything thatyou did for her.
Oh, and wait, she feels likeshe didn't do enough for him and
he says that that's ridiculous.
And my client's like crying andsaying she moved out of the
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country and said she's giving upnursing because she felt she
wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Because she felt she wasn't good enough, yeah, Hope
she was able to relay thatmessage back to her.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, she said she would.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, oh, that's so sweet, it'sso true.
There's a lot of guilt.
I think, as you know, as familymembers and caregivers, that
you know we.
It's hard to let that go whensomebody passes.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That you know.
We it's hard to let that gowhen somebody passes, especially
, you know, when we're grieving.
A lot of times grief is a, it'san experience, is, is an
emotion that we don't have a lotof experience with.
Like how am I supposed toprocess that big, horrible,
weird feeling I'm getting?
Oh, I'm familiar with thisguilt thing and I uh, let me
just blame myself and becauseit's like we're directing our
grief in into something that's alittle more familiar.
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And you know that's that's aweird thing about grief is that
everybody grieves differentlyand sometimes we end up kind of
latching on to something that wehave no need to latch on to.
I had another session happenwhere this was a murder victim
and the spirit told the familylet it go.
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You know law enforcement isdoing their job, let them do it,
don't feel like it's on you topush them.
And because what they're doingis they're becoming obsessed
over justice as a way of nothaving to deal with the grief.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I did see that you alsowork with police and, like you
know, you offer your services to.
I mean, I just think that'ssuch a profound and beautiful
thing that you're willing to doand to work with.
You know police cases and haveyou ever like had a case where
you're just like, wow, I wasable to really do some good here
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.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I've had interesting cases, that is true.
One.
One of the first ones I evergot was and this actually I
wasn't working directly with lawenforcement.
This one was with the mother ofa murder victim, where first I
did a full length, beautifulsession channeling her daughter.
So much evidential stuff, somuch love and laughter.
(23:55):
It was beautiful.
And then towards the end I waslike, okay, now you want to know
who killed her.
Let me just see what I get.
And I ended up giving her anexact name and she said, oh, I
know exactly who that is, and hewas acting suspicious.
(24:15):
Yeah, unfortunately, I don'tthink they were able to get him
because you know, you can't goto law enforcement and say, oh
well, my psychic said I know,right, and that's one thing I
always like to point out is thatI don't solve crimes right.
The detectives do that right.
All I do is, if they areinterested in hearing some of
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the impressions that I'm getting, I might be able to give them
some sort of direction that theyhadn't thought of before.
Then they could say, oh, maybewe should investigate this one a
little bit.
So you know, if my work canassist in that way, then I'm
honored to be able to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I respect you so much for doing that.
I will tell you that I Ithought I wanted to go down a
forensic mediumship route in mylife and I took a one.
It was a multiple day classwith um, a very well-known
medium, and I lasted one day.
I was like I'm good, I'm good,I respect you for having the
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willingness and thevulnerability to be able to
bring that in.
I'm like, I'm no, thank you.
Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot,it's a lot.
Um, so I do want to talk aboutenergy boundaries.
We kind of talked a little bitabout this.
It's crucial and intuitive work.
What do you feel is maybesomething that new practitioners
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do that aren't necessarilyprotecting themselves, like and
I don't want to say mistake, Idon't feel like that's the right
thing, but just maybe nothaving the right tools in place.
What do you see that?
What are some of the tools thatthey don't have in place when
they're working with this typeof energy?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I think one of the things isthat sometimes new practitioners
might tend to be open ingeneral I touched on this
earlier being open and beingclosed.
Right a grocery store, and yousee someone next to you and
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you're like thinking, oh, thisthing that I'm feeling is that
someone for this person?
And you know, that kind of goesback to ethics too, because not
all psychics and mediumsbelieve that it's ethical for
you to tune into the energy ofsomebody nearby without their
request or permission.
So that's one thing.
But when you're open all thetime, I feel like that that can
be really exhausting for you.
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But also I feel like it cankind of dilute the messages from
when you're in a session.
So I always tell Spirit no, Idon't take any early messages,
because you know if somethinghappens and you know I'm getting
ready for a session and I'mlike doing my eyelashes and the
(27:02):
mirror and then I suddenly allof a sudden I'm getting like
this terrible headache.
Well, I don't want to have tosay, is this spirit or is this
Kelly's headache?
Right, if I'm in my session andI get a headache, then I'm like
, oh, this is probably spirit.
Yes, it could be, could beKelly's head, but it's.
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It's probably spirit, so I justtalk about it.
But if I had a headachebeforehand and then I get into
the session, I get a headacheagain.
I'm like, oh yeah, well, I wasjust having a headache, so it's
probably just me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I see your point.
Yeah, absolutely, and it goesto, like you said, like having
your energetic protection, yourspiritual hygiene, having these
rituals in place that way, whenyou're coming to the reading,
like you're, you're ready to go.
Yes, I like that.
So you offer both psychic andmediumship readings?
How do you explain thedifference to clients and how do
you personally switch betweenthese roles?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Sure, yeah.
So I always tell people apsychic reading is great for
getting insight into the pathyou're on at the moment and what
may be coming up for you in thefuture.
Yeah, for mediumship, that isgood for reconnecting with loved
ones who crossed over, and thenI often will explain it to
people.
Psychic just means I pick up oninformation outside of the five
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physical senses, whereas mediummeans I can use those skills to
connect with loved ones whocrossed over.
It's actually kind of a funfact.
Every medium technically is apsychic, but not every psychic
is a medium.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, absolutely Now.
I'm going to ask you this forpeople that have lost loved ones
, do you recommend a certainlike period of time before
connecting with the medium,maybe to see if that loved one
will come through?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I generally recommend six months.
It's not a firm rule but Ithink it's a good guideline.
And that's for a few reasons.
One is when a spirit isinitially transitioning, they
are going through someadjustment period and there have
been a few cases not all thetime, but a few cases where I've
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been connecting with newlytransitioned spirits and it just
felt like maybe they weren'tquite ready, maybe they're still
learning how to manipulate theenergy from the other side.
But I feel even more importantthan that is I need to honor the
grief process process of myclient.
You know grief is a complex,dynamic energy and you don't
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want to rush into a reading toosoon because I feel like it's it
may not really allow the griefto fully unfold beforehand and
then the messages that comethrough kind of touch on the
experiences and it can be moresoothing and cathartic.
What I find is if I could dolike a really fantastic
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mediumship reading.
But if the client is newlydeceased and my sitter is very
deeply entrenched in theheaviest time of the grief, it
doesn't matter if I'm notdelivering their loved one, you
know, in person, right, living,physical body, it's not enough
for them when that grief isstill in that first initial
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harsh wave.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Absolutely.
So.
It kind of brings up my nextpoint of.
Many clients seek readingsduring vulnerable times.
How do you hold compassionatespace without crossing energetic
or emotional boundaries?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, good question.
So when people come to me, oneof the first things that I like
to make sure people know isyou're in a safe space, right,
and you can.
You can share, you can let itout.
You know you can have anyfeelings that you want, as long
as you allow your feelings toflow in and flow out.
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It's when feelings come in andthen you just hold on to them,
that's when real trouble canstart to develop.
So, yeah, I just, when a clientcomes in, I first just you know
.
One of the first things is mybasic small talk how are you
doing?
You know how, how are you andyou know.
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If they start getting intooversharing, of course I'll stop
them and I'll say I just don'twant you to share too much until
after I've told you what I pickup energetically, because that
way it'll be evidential.
But towards the end you canshare as much as you want and
ask whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So you've grown your business into a heart centered,
inclusive business.
What are some lessons you'velearned about being a spiritual
entrepreneur?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, being a spiritual entrepreneur, you
really have to have your systemsin place, you have to have your
morals in place, and I alsofeel like it's good to
constantly think about thesethings and just kind of touch on
it and make sure that it's theway you want it to be.
You know, I've had businessesin the past because I've been an
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entrepreneur before, and therehave been times when I have to,
you know, let somebody go orsomething like that.
And what I find is that whenyou're letting somebody go, if
especially when they really haveearned being let go, right,
sometimes you might have thatfeeling of you know, I need to
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put you in your place.
Yes, and now that I'm likedoing everything art centered, I
did have somebody who came whowas part of the team and who
kind of demanded a shift in theway we worked on things, and I
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did have to react in a way thatsaid, I'm not going to shift in
that direction, but I wish youall the best moving forward.
And I found that when I wentthrough and drafted that email
response to her, I drafted itand then I walked away and I
came back, and then I tweaked itagain.
I walked away and I came backand I I didn't send it until the
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next day.
A full day had gone by and Ihad read it with fresh eyes and
I felt like every single elementwas loving.
Yeah, you know, yes, I wasn'tgoing to continue to work with
her in that particular way, withthat particular demand, and so
that was the only thing that waskind of she could perceive it
as a letdown, right right right,but I made sure that every
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single thing came from the heart.
Yeah, and so you know I'm notperfect, nobody is, but we
always have to, I think, justkind of keep ourselves in check.
And can I do better next time?
Am I, am I working?
Is there a way I could be moreloving?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I really respect the fact that you, you
ensure that you know the, the,your employees or whomever
you're working with, that youknow you're coming from a space
of heart centered and not Igotcha, like I.
I like that, that because youknow people can bring out sides
of us that we don't want to haveunleashed and that you, you
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paused and you, really, like,went back to it.
Yeah, it says this can bedifficult, so you offer psychic
development mentorship, which Ithink is awesome.
What advice do you have forsomeone who's just beginning to
explore their own intuitiveabilities?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yes, so we touched on this a little bit earlier.
But basically you want to makesure that you have your good
psychic hygiene in place.
So you need to be strong withgrounding, cleansing, protection
, opening up, closing down,right.
So those are the basics thatyou know.
You just it's like when you'relearning to drive a car you need
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to make sure that you get a newcar.
You see where the mirrors are,you make sure that and you see
where the hazard lights are, andthen you make sure your
seatbelt is buckled.
You know you have to do all thebasic safety stuff first,
before you even turn the engineon, right?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
That's important for people who are developing these
skills.
And then the other thing isdon't be afraid to.
You know, experiment and goeasy on yourself.
You know you're going to getthings wrong.
The very best psychics andmediums typically are about 80
to 90%.
So you know you're not going tobe 100%.
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Just give it your best and keeptrying.
You know psychic work is like amuscle the more you use it, the
stronger it gets.
I'm much stronger now than Iwas just a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, absolutely.
It is interesting when you lookback and you're like, oh wow,
I'm glad I like continue to workon these skills and had a daily
or you know we may not be everysingle day, but you have a good
spiritual hygiene practice.
Yeah, I love that.
And before I actually lastquestion, if anyone is
interested in learning moreabout you, where's the best
place for them to go to?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, the number one place is definitely my website,
channelingwhitelightcom.
So that's my company name,channeling White Light, because
that's my tagline.
You can watch video excerpts ofmy actual readings, see my full
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availability and bookappointments right there online.
And then I am on the majorsocial media platforms YouTube,
Facebook, instagram, tiktok.
You can link to those from mywebsite.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I love that.
So, for those who are grievingor maybe feeling disconnected
from spirit, what's onepractical step they can take
today to begin to feel supportedand reconnected?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
yeah.
So you know using your breathis so important.
You know breathing.
I find that if you just simplyclose your eyes and breathe
deeply, long, slow breaths inout, you don't have to have it
be a full hour long meditationsession, but even just a minute
or two of this simple practicewill help you to feel more
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centered and when you'regrieving and you're wanting to
feel the energy of your lovedone with you, being centered and
relaxed in that way is theeasiest way to go about it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Kelly, thank you so much for being on the Spiritual
Spotlight Series.
It's truly been amazing toconnect with you today.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's been a pleasure and an honor to be here, Rachel.
Hello everyone, welcome to the Spiritual
Spotlight Series.
Today I am joined by KellyPalmatier.
She is an evidential psychicmedium with over 30 years of
experience.
Kelly, thank you so much forcoming on the Spiritual
Spotlight Series.
I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thank you for having me, rachel.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm happy to be here, so you received your first
spirit message at just eightyears old.
What was that experience like,and how did your family respond
to that?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So it actually happened when we were having a
seance around the dining tableafter dinner one night.
What I didn't know?
Don't don't all families justhappen to have seances
periodically after dinner onenight?
Yeah, um, fascinating.
Of course I didn't realize itwas weird, uh, unusual, until
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years later, because, you know,when you're a kid, you
experience stuff.
It's just like, oh, okay, thisis what we're doing, okay, this
is what life's about.
All right then, true, um, butyeah, my, my uh, stepfather, my
papa, who raised me, um, he, hehad a strong spiritual side and
he just decided to leave us in aseance one evening.
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So it was, um, my, my papa, mymother, my sister and me all
sitting around and we had acandle lit and he just had us
hold hands and relax and breathedeeply and close our eyes and
just speak up.
If you feel like you're gettingany messages and then he was
talking and saying spirit, ifthere, if there's anything that
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we need to know, you know we'relistening and and I just chimed
right in I'm like, oh, you know,I feel like I've got my great
grandfather and he wants us toknow that my mom is going to get
a job in Atlanta, 400 milesaway and that you know she's
going to be hired to do that,host that TV show and we should
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start looking for a house.
So all that came to pass and atthe time it just seemed like I
don't know, guesswork, natural,yeah, imagination, it was just.
It didn't seem weird oranything.
It was just kind of like ohwell, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But in hindsight, now that I'm a medium, I'm like oh,
hmm, okay, I think that is themost interesting story about
connecting with spirit that Ihave, and I've done well over
250 interviews.
This is fascinating to me, likeif I hear Papa was like no,
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let's go, like come on, let's dothis.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, normal is not my, my what I'm
known for.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I love that.
So you have studiedparapsychology and work with
mentors in England.
How did academic and intuitivetraining shape your mediumship
style?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So when I studied parapsychology it was and I
don't claim to have a degree inthat, but I really loved
studying I went to University ofKent at Canterbury in England.
So I was a short-term studentthere and I studied with
Professor Chris Cherry and Itook a great course that he
offered on issues on the self,issues in religion,
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parapsychology and philosophy,and so you know, we talked a
little bit about all of that.
But then Chris Cherry and Ideveloped a friendship and he
was very interested inparapsychology so we would talk
about a lot of additionalparapsychology things behind the
scenes.
We tried some experiments witheach other, like telepathically
sending and receiving and makingsketches of what we received
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and stuff like that and uh.
And then he also hooked me upwith other people that he knew
who were doing different uhexperiments and whatnot, so I
was able to participate on asubject level in those.
So that was really interesting.
And then also while over there,I met Jo Nguyen and she was my
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first and best ever mentor.
So she's very strongpsychically and she and I are
still good friends to this day.
We do Zoom calls across thepond regularly, so I had a lot
of great mentorship when I wasover there.
Now, how did that affect mytraining?
Well, when I was with Joe, shetaught me so much about psychic
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energy, working with psychicenergy, psychic protection,
things like that things thatreally became the foundation for
my skills.
But it's interesting, I didn'ttake like any formal course on
how to do psychic work.
I just read books and talked topeople and practiced, and so I
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did readings off and on for 30something years.
But it wasn't until I was mucholder, 30 years later, when I
got a direct message from spirittelling me to become a medium.
So that's really when thingsstarted taking off in that
direction.
I don't want to jump too farahead because I know you've got
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a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Oh, my goodness, I love this.
So was this, is this in 2017,when you finally said yes to
mediumship.
So it's like what?
I guess what inspired you thento finally say yes, even after
decades of psychic work?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So when we talk about decades of psychic work, it was
basically doing readings forfamily and friends.
So I wasn't a professionalpsychic for those 30 years.
I was very psychic in my ownlife and, you know, I would do
readings for family and friends,but it was, you know, when I
graduated from college.
The internet didn't exist.
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I'm aging myself, but that's,that's the truth.
So becoming a professionalpsychic would mean like having a
neon sign in my window on theside of the highway.
You know it's like.
That's not for me.
So I ended up entering thecorporate world and I worked in
the corporate world for decades,but it was in 2017.
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I was, I was meditating and Iwas on a hike with my husband in
DuPont State Forest.
We were visiting high falls andI was sitting at the base of
the waterfall and I wasmeditating and praying and
getting in touch with nature andspirit, talking to loved ones
I've lost, not necessarilyexpecting to hear anything back,
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but just, you know, asking forguidance.
And so I asked.
I said you know, I want to makea difference in the world.
If there's something I can dothat I'm not already doing,
please give me a sign and I'lltry to listen to whatever you
tell me, and of course, at thetime I was expecting something
subtle.
You know, friend loans me abook or something like that.
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No, what I got was a lightningbolt.
Just kidding Felt like alightning bolt.
I got a direct answer justpopped in my head telling me to
become a medium to channel lovedones who have crossed over.
So I was like, okay, how shallI do that?
I mean, I knew what mediumswere, I'd seen them on TV, but I
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never identified as a mediummyself.
And so I got the direct messageanswering me in my head.
It said to read books, spendtime in meditation and connect
with other psychic mediums.
So I started doing all thatright away.
By the end of the month I waschanneling.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I love that and you do bring up a very valid
point of like.
Before the Internet, it wasn'tlike you could just find a
psychic medium.
You would have to drive aroundor word of mouth or you know you
, probably your vibe isn't likehey, come see me.
It's a completely differenttime now.
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Wow, so different so you youdescribe yourself as an empath
and clairvoyant, with all sixclairs.
How do you manage these giftsin your daily life?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I'm going to back up for a moment because I don't
claim to have all of the clairsClose.
But so I am an empath.
I do feel the emotions ofothers.
I'm clairvoyant, so Ipsychically see images
Clairaudient.
I hear messages Clairalient.
I get psychic smellsClairaudient.
I hear messages Clairalient.
I get psychic smellsClairsentient.
So I physically feel the energy.
And also claircognizant.
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So sometimes I just know things.
But I don't actually claim tohave all the clairs.
Clairgustens is taste and I'vegotten that a couple times, but
that one is very rare for me.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So how do you manage having alot of the Claire's in your
daily life?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, you know, I do practice really strong psychic
hygiene.
You know I know how to openmyself up and I know how to
close myself down and that's, Ithink, important one of the
basics for anybody that'sinvolved in this sort of work.
I actually do a lot ofmentoring.
I offer psychic developmentmentorship.
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It's one of the main serviceson my website, so I guide people
through this sort of thing alot, and the main things that I
always start off with is I wantto make sure people are familiar
with grounding.
You need to be well grounded ifyou're going to do this sort of
thing Cleansing, you know youneed to make sure that your
energy in your space and and youknow, even bodies, you know
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cleansing.
And then psychic protection.
You know you need to have allthese things in place and in my
case, I feel like the ability toturn it on and turning off is
also one of those fundamentalsthat everybody needs to have.
So, yeah, I, if I go into aspace and it's particularly
heavy if it's, if it's superstrong I'll be like.
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You know I don't like this, butI've got my shield up, so it's
no big deal if I need to bethere for a while.
So I know how to be able to gointo a grocery store or a
crowded restaurant or a dancefloor, and I don't have to, you
know, be miserable because ofall the spirit.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, I respect that so much as being a psychic
medium, that you definitely havethese strong, energetic
spiritual hygiene practices inplace.
And you do that also with yourstudents, with your psychic
development, because there, youknow, there tend to be sometimes
people who do not necessarilyhave that training, that they're
just wide open and it's likethey're just bringing in all of
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that gunk and it's like, oh,yeah, and you need to be aware
of that.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, if you start developing and you're not
using good psychic hygiene, it'slike a beacon.
You know you've got this biglight flashing.
You know I can hear you comehang out with me and then you're
like drawing in all kinds oflike.
Oh no, I didn't need themosquitoes or the you know
whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Don't come in my bedroom.
I'm good Like, thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Now I'm sleeping.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, yeah, so so true.
So has there ever been a timethat you may resisted or doubted
your path as a medium, and ifso, how did you move through
that?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So I believe that most psychics and mediums
experience doubt.
I think that is just part ofthe territory and it's funny.
I actually kind of feel likethat's one of my life lessons.
In this lifetime, because I'mdefinitely a perfectionist, I
work my tail off and I try tomake sure that I, like, do every
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single thing that I do in a waythat is professional and top
notch, and you know, so.
So I'm a total perfectionist,and yet I've chosen a career
that I don't have control over.
You know, when I'm doingmediumship work, I can't
guarantee who's going to comethrough.
I can't guarantee whatinformation is going to come
through.
I can't guarantee how strongthat's going to come through.
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I have learned that I have tobe able to be like okay.
I've done all the preparation.
What will be will be.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, wow.
So how did you kind of acceptthe fact that the career that
you're in and kind of yoursoul's mission, maybe
perfectionism is something youhad to like be okay with not
being perfect all the time?
How did you kind of get overthat?
I wouldn't say I'm over?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
it.
It haunts me every day.
Um, seriously, I mean everyreading that I do.
I want every moment of everyreading to be spectacular.
And a lot of times things willcome through and you'll be like,
oh, I'm getting this reallystrong and this is really unique
.
And the client will be like,well, and then you know,
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fortunately, there are lots oftimes later when they'll be,
they'll text me and they'll belike, oh, my God, my grandmother
told me, and I didn't even knowit, you know.
So it turns out it's like adouble blind, evidential thing.
That happens.
But then there are other timeswhen it's like I don't know.
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So I've just gotten to the pointwhere I accept that when you
think about it, rachel, whenyou're doing psychic work, the
energy that's coming in it comesin a way that that, I think,
utilizes the same muscle asimagination.
You know.
So a lot of times you're doingwork like this and you may think
, oh, I'm just imagining that.
Right, you know, but you, youjust have to go with it.
So I just make it into a thing.
I joke with my clients.
I'm like, oh, getting somethingrandom, sorry, you know, if it
doesn't make sense, maybe it'llmake sense later.
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If not no big deal and we justlaugh about it.
But then I get those crazythings like I remember this one
reading where I was like I wasso embarrassed to bring through
this information I was getting.
I was like surely this isn'tright.
Oh, sorry, I just have to sayit.
Oh, albatross around the neck,you know like that myth about
the albatross, the bad luck.
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And my client's like yep, myuncle who died of brain cancer,
he was wearing one in his coffin.
I'm like what?
So I've just learned that, evenif it's ridiculous, you know, I
have to say it.
Yeah, inflatable Tyrannosaurusrex.
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What, yep, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I'm like how does yeah, and also like good for you
, like when the message is thatpersistent, you're like, listen,
I'm gonna share it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It is what it is.
Yeah, it is what it is and it'sand I know that I'm risking
being wrong, yeah, and I I feellike I'm risking being ridiculed
, but I've just learned that Ihave to accept and be open and
just go with the flow and notget so caught up in every moment
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being perfect, so true.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So true.
So you've built a practicearound authenticity and ethical
boundaries.
Why is spiritual integrity soessential in your work?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, I think, because I'm so sensitive which
you know, aren't we all in thisfield, right?
But because I'm so sensitive, Iit really gets to me when I see
people bad mouthing psychicsand mediums, and so I've, I've
read some of these books about,like, how all psychics are con
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artists and here's how they dotheir tricks, and yeah, and I'm
like, and so I understand, likewhat, what people are talking
about when they talk about coldreading, when they talk about
hot reading.
And I'm never going to convincea hardcore skeptic.
That's not my job.
My job is to support people whoneed my support.
But I feel like when I'm in areading and I get something
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where people the skeptics wouldcall it out as cold reading,
I'll address it on the spot.
So, for example, I might saysomething like I'm getting the
letter J and then I say and Imight say, now, full disclosure,
j is the most common firstinitial, but nevertheless I'm
getting that.
And they're like yeah, mybrother James, you know, and so
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I've noticed that when I'm doingmy readings, a lot of times
I'll kind of give that littlebit of disclaimer.
I might be doing something andI'll be like I'm picking up on
this event that happened inGeorgia and my client will be
like I'd be like no, no, I saw404 in your area code so I know
you're from Georgia.
That's not the psychic part,but what I'm getting you know.
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So I just like to be reallyauthentic about that.
And you know like one of thethings is, will you allow, like
as a psychic practitioner, Ialways let people know that you
can have a friend book theappointment for you, so that
I'll never even know who myclient is until you're in front
of me and even then you just sayyou know, hi, I'm Kelly.
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You don't have to give me yourfull name.
So that's one way that you knowI'm not doing hot readings
where I'm researching you aheadof time.
And for people who are reallyworried about cold reading,
where you know you're gettingclues from someone's appearance
or something like that, I'm I'mfine doing just regular phone
readings.
I don't need to see my clientto do it.
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Really, I like that.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I like to point these things out.
I like that you're on you givea disclaimer.
You know, like, hey, like Iknow this of you, you know,
whereas some other you knowthere are, unfortunately,
breeders that do take advantage,and they, you know, whereas
some other you know there are,unfortunately, breeders that do
take advantage, and they, youknow they're vamping and just
trying to grab that thread Rightand I think, for your practice
also, you're an evidentialmedium.
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For those that are new to theterm, what makes evidential
mediumship different?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
So evidential mediumship justmeans that I'm bringing through
information that validates thatI really am speaking with
someone that is a loved one foryou.
So, for example, you know, Imight say, oh, I'm getting, you
know the name, james, I'mgetting short hair, I'm getting
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a dark complexion, I'm gettingsomething in the chest.
No, this doesn't feel like theheart, it's more acute, it's
like and then they're like yeah,he was shot in the chest, you
know.
So, things like that, that'sevidential, because anybody can
just say, oh, I'm feeling yourloved one, who is it?
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You lost your husband.
Oh, yeah, james is here.
Yeah, oh, he loves you.
Oh, yep, he, he sends his loveand he says he's doing fine.
That's great.
All of that may be true, but ifyou haven't brought through
anything evidential first, itcould all be fluff.
On the other hand, if I bringthrough all evidential stuff
first and then I talk about, oh,he's right here with you, he
(19:10):
loves you so much, then it'smeaningful, then it's healing,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So I know that you've done thousands of readings, so
this question may be a littleridiculous.
So, in your experience, whatare maybe some of the most
healing messages you've seencome forward from spirit in a
reading?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, so in our human experience, so oftentimes we
experience this feeling of guiltwe should have done something
better.
We should.
You know this, this feeling ofdoubt and of, you know, doubting
(19:53):
ourselves.
And it's just so cathartic whenspirit comes through and says
let that go, there's no way youcould have done something.
Um, you know, an example that Igot is a a reading where I did.
This was actually a groupreading, a large group in Sedona
, the Sedona TranscendenceRetreat, and I was doing a large
(20:16):
group and I was like I'mgetting the name Monica and you
know, people raise their handslike I know Monica, but she's
living.
I know Monica, but she's living.
And it's like there were likemust've been a dozen Monica's
connected to the group, but theywere all living.
And I was like, well, first ofall, that's kind of weird, cause
I didn't.
I don't know a single Monica inmy life and so quite a few.
(20:38):
But you know I'm not channelinga spirit named Monica.
So what is this about?
And as, as I continued to workwith the spirit, I felt pulled
towards this one, the one personin the, towards the front
actually and, by the way, itdoesn't always have to be in the
front, they can be anywhere.
But this one person who wasnear me and she had said that I
(20:59):
know Monica, but she's living Isaid I feel like I'm being drawn
to you and you're the one whereI got like one piece of
information from your fatherearlier.
Right, she's like yes, and Isaid I feel like I'm with you.
She said Monica was hiscaregiver and I said that's it.
(21:20):
He is reaching out, he wants tosend his love to Monica to say
thank you for everything thatyou did for her.
Oh, and wait, she feels likeshe didn't do enough for him and
he says that that's ridiculous.
And my client's like crying andsaying she moved out of the
(21:41):
country and said she's giving upnursing because she felt she
wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Because she felt she wasn't good enough, yeah, Hope
she was able to relay thatmessage back to her.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, she said she would.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, oh, that's so sweet, it'sso true.
There's a lot of guilt.
I think, as you know, as familymembers and caregivers, that
you know we.
It's hard to let that go whensomebody passes.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That you know.
We it's hard to let that gowhen somebody passes, especially
, you know, when we're grieving.
A lot of times grief is a, it'san experience, is, is an
emotion that we don't have a lotof experience with.
Like how am I supposed toprocess that big, horrible,
weird feeling I'm getting?
Oh, I'm familiar with thisguilt thing and I uh, let me
just blame myself and becauseit's like we're directing our
grief in into something that's alittle more familiar.
(22:33):
And you know that's that's aweird thing about grief is that
everybody grieves differentlyand sometimes we end up kind of
latching on to something that wehave no need to latch on to.
I had another session happenwhere this was a murder victim
and the spirit told the familylet it go.
(22:54):
You know law enforcement isdoing their job, let them do it,
don't feel like it's on you topush them.
And because what they're doingis they're becoming obsessed
over justice as a way of nothaving to deal with the grief.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I did see that you alsowork with police and, like you
know, you offer your services to.
I mean, I just think that'ssuch a profound and beautiful
thing that you're willing to doand to work with.
You know police cases and haveyou ever like had a case where
you're just like, wow, I wasable to really do some good here
(23:32):
.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I've had interesting cases, that is true.
One.
One of the first ones I evergot was and this actually I
wasn't working directly with lawenforcement.
This one was with the mother ofa murder victim, where first I
did a full length, beautifulsession channeling her daughter.
So much evidential stuff, somuch love and laughter.
(23:55):
It was beautiful.
And then towards the end I waslike, okay, now you want to know
who killed her.
Let me just see what I get.
And I ended up giving her anexact name and she said, oh, I
know exactly who that is, and hewas acting suspicious.
(24:15):
Yeah, unfortunately, I don'tthink they were able to get him
because you know, you can't goto law enforcement and say, oh
well, my psychic said I know,right, and that's one thing I
always like to point out is thatI don't solve crimes right.
The detectives do that right.
All I do is, if they areinterested in hearing some of
(24:36):
the impressions that I'm getting, I might be able to give them
some sort of direction that theyhadn't thought of before.
Then they could say, oh, maybewe should investigate this one a
little bit.
So you know, if my work canassist in that way, then I'm
honored to be able to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I respect you so much for doing that.
I will tell you that I Ithought I wanted to go down a
forensic mediumship route in mylife and I took a one.
It was a multiple day classwith um, a very well-known
medium, and I lasted one day.
I was like I'm good, I'm good,I respect you for having the
(25:13):
willingness and thevulnerability to be able to
bring that in.
I'm like, I'm no, thank you.
Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot,it's a lot.
Um, so I do want to talk aboutenergy boundaries.
We kind of talked a little bitabout this.
It's crucial and intuitive work.
What do you feel is maybesomething that new practitioners
(25:36):
do that aren't necessarilyprotecting themselves, like and
I don't want to say mistake, Idon't feel like that's the right
thing, but just maybe nothaving the right tools in place.
What do you see that?
What are some of the tools thatthey don't have in place when
they're working with this typeof energy?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, that's a good question.
I think one of the things isthat sometimes new practitioners
might tend to be open ingeneral I touched on this
earlier being open and beingclosed.
Right a grocery store, and yousee someone next to you and
(26:20):
you're like thinking, oh, thisthing that I'm feeling is that
someone for this person?
And you know, that kind of goesback to ethics too, because not
all psychics and mediumsbelieve that it's ethical for
you to tune into the energy ofsomebody nearby without their
request or permission.
So that's one thing.
But when you're open all thetime, I feel like that that can
be really exhausting for you.
(26:40):
But also I feel like it cankind of dilute the messages from
when you're in a session.
So I always tell Spirit no, Idon't take any early messages,
because you know if somethinghappens and you know I'm getting
ready for a session and I'mlike doing my eyelashes and the
(27:02):
mirror and then I suddenly allof a sudden I'm getting like
this terrible headache.
Well, I don't want to have tosay, is this spirit or is this
Kelly's headache?
Right, if I'm in my session andI get a headache, then I'm like
, oh, this is probably spirit.
Yes, it could be, could beKelly's head, but it's.
(27:23):
It's probably spirit, so I justtalk about it.
But if I had a headachebeforehand and then I get into
the session, I get a headacheagain.
I'm like, oh yeah, well, I wasjust having a headache, so it's
probably just me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I see your point.
Yeah, absolutely, and it goesto, like you said, like having
your energetic protection, yourspiritual hygiene, having these
rituals in place that way, whenyou're coming to the reading,
like you're, you're ready to go.
Yes, I like that.
So you offer both psychic andmediumship readings?
How do you explain thedifference to clients and how do
you personally switch betweenthese roles?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Sure, yeah.
So I always tell people apsychic reading is great for
getting insight into the pathyou're on at the moment and what
may be coming up for you in thefuture.
Yeah, for mediumship, that isgood for reconnecting with loved
ones who crossed over, and thenI often will explain it to
people.
Psychic just means I pick up oninformation outside of the five
(28:23):
physical senses, whereas mediummeans I can use those skills to
connect with loved ones whocrossed over.
It's actually kind of a funfact.
Every medium technically is apsychic, but not every psychic
is a medium.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, absolutely Now.
I'm going to ask you this forpeople that have lost loved ones
, do you recommend a certainlike period of time before
connecting with the medium,maybe to see if that loved one
will come through?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I generally recommend six months.
It's not a firm rule but Ithink it's a good guideline.
And that's for a few reasons.
One is when a spirit isinitially transitioning, they
are going through someadjustment period and there have
been a few cases not all thetime, but a few cases where I've
(29:16):
been connecting with newlytransitioned spirits and it just
felt like maybe they weren'tquite ready, maybe they're still
learning how to manipulate theenergy from the other side.
But I feel even more importantthan that is I need to honor the
grief process process of myclient.
You know grief is a complex,dynamic energy and you don't
(29:44):
want to rush into a reading toosoon because I feel like it's it
may not really allow the griefto fully unfold beforehand and
then the messages that comethrough kind of touch on the
experiences and it can be moresoothing and cathartic.
What I find is if I could dolike a really fantastic
(30:08):
mediumship reading.
But if the client is newlydeceased and my sitter is very
deeply entrenched in theheaviest time of the grief, it
doesn't matter if I'm notdelivering their loved one, you
know, in person, right, living,physical body, it's not enough
for them when that grief isstill in that first initial
(30:30):
harsh wave.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Absolutely.
So.
It kind of brings up my nextpoint of.
Many clients seek readingsduring vulnerable times.
How do you hold compassionatespace without crossing energetic
or emotional boundaries?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, good question.
So when people come to me, oneof the first things that I like
to make sure people know isyou're in a safe space, right,
and you can.
You can share, you can let itout.
You know you can have anyfeelings that you want, as long
as you allow your feelings toflow in and flow out.
(31:07):
It's when feelings come in andthen you just hold on to them,
that's when real trouble canstart to develop.
So, yeah, I just, when a clientcomes in, I first just you know
.
One of the first things is mybasic small talk how are you
doing?
You know how, how are you andyou know.
(31:27):
If they start getting intooversharing, of course I'll stop
them and I'll say I just don'twant you to share too much until
after I've told you what I pickup energetically, because that
way it'll be evidential.
But towards the end you canshare as much as you want and
ask whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So you've grown your business into a heart centered,
inclusive business.
What are some lessons you'velearned about being a spiritual
entrepreneur?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, being a spiritual entrepreneur, you
really have to have your systemsin place, you have to have your
morals in place, and I alsofeel like it's good to
constantly think about thesethings and just kind of touch on
it and make sure that it's theway you want it to be.
You know, I've had businessesin the past because I've been an
(32:21):
entrepreneur before, and therehave been times when I have to,
you know, let somebody go orsomething like that.
And what I find is that whenyou're letting somebody go, if
especially when they really haveearned being let go, right,
sometimes you might have thatfeeling of you know, I need to
(32:43):
put you in your place.
Yes, and now that I'm likedoing everything art centered, I
did have somebody who came whowas part of the team and who
kind of demanded a shift in theway we worked on things, and I
(33:04):
did have to react in a way thatsaid, I'm not going to shift in
that direction, but I wish youall the best moving forward.
And I found that when I wentthrough and drafted that email
response to her, I drafted itand then I walked away and I
came back, and then I tweaked itagain.
I walked away and I came backand I I didn't send it until the
(33:26):
next day.
A full day had gone by and Ihad read it with fresh eyes and
I felt like every single elementwas loving.
Yeah, you know, yes, I wasn'tgoing to continue to work with
her in that particular way, withthat particular demand, and so
that was the only thing that waskind of she could perceive it
as a letdown, right right right,but I made sure that every
(33:49):
single thing came from the heart.
Yeah, and so you know I'm notperfect, nobody is, but we
always have to, I think, justkind of keep ourselves in check.
And can I do better next time?
Am I, am I working?
Is there a way I could be moreloving?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I really respect the fact that you, you
ensure that you know the, the,your employees or whomever
you're working with, that youknow you're coming from a space
of heart centered and not Igotcha, like I.
I like that, that because youknow people can bring out sides
of us that we don't want to haveunleashed and that you, you
(34:26):
paused and you, really, like,went back to it.
Yeah, it says this can bedifficult, so you offer psychic
development mentorship, which Ithink is awesome.
What advice do you have forsomeone who's just beginning to
explore their own intuitiveabilities?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yes, so we touched on this a little bit earlier.
But basically you want to makesure that you have your good
psychic hygiene in place.
So you need to be strong withgrounding, cleansing, protection
, opening up, closing down,right.
So those are the basics thatyou know.
You just it's like when you'relearning to drive a car you need
(35:03):
to make sure that you get a newcar.
You see where the mirrors are,you make sure that and you see
where the hazard lights are, andthen you make sure your
seatbelt is buckled.
You know you have to do all thebasic safety stuff first,
before you even turn the engineon, right?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
That's important for people who are developing these
skills.
And then the other thing isdon't be afraid to.
You know, experiment and goeasy on yourself.
You know you're going to getthings wrong.
The very best psychics andmediums typically are about 80
to 90%.
So you know you're not going tobe 100%.
(35:42):
Just give it your best and keeptrying.
You know psychic work is like amuscle the more you use it, the
stronger it gets.
I'm much stronger now than Iwas just a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, absolutely.
It is interesting when you lookback and you're like, oh wow,
I'm glad I like continue to workon these skills and had a daily
or you know we may not be everysingle day, but you have a good
spiritual hygiene practice.
Yeah, I love that.
And before I actually lastquestion, if anyone is
interested in learning moreabout you, where's the best
place for them to go to?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, the number one place is definitely my website,
channelingwhitelightcom.
So that's my company name,channeling White Light, because
that's my tagline.
You can watch video excerpts ofmy actual readings, see my full
(36:42):
availability and bookappointments right there online.
And then I am on the majorsocial media platforms YouTube,
Facebook, instagram, tiktok.
You can link to those from mywebsite.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I love that.
So, for those who are grievingor maybe feeling disconnected
from spirit, what's onepractical step they can take
today to begin to feel supportedand reconnected?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
yeah.
So you know using your breathis so important.
You know breathing.
I find that if you just simplyclose your eyes and breathe
deeply, long, slow breaths inout, you don't have to have it
be a full hour long meditationsession, but even just a minute
or two of this simple practicewill help you to feel more
(37:33):
centered and when you'regrieving and you're wanting to
feel the energy of your lovedone with you, being centered and
relaxed in that way is theeasiest way to go about it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Kelly, thank you so much for being on the Spiritual
Spotlight Series.
It's truly been amazing toconnect with you today.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's been a pleasure and an honor to be here, Rachel.
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