Rebecca Campbell opens this powerful conversation with a profound mystical experience that became the foundation for her newest book, “Your Soul Had a Dream. Your Life Is It.” In this vision, she glimpsed the pathways our souls travel through birth and death, revealing how the full spectrum of human emotion—from deepest grief to highest joy—is essential to our spiritual awakening.
But what does it truly mean to walk as a mystic in our fast-paced, chaotic modern world? Rebecca shares that being a mystic is about cultivating a direct connection with the sacred, requiring tremendous courage to trust our inner knowing above the noise. She offers a refreshing and deeply practical perspective on finding harmony between spiritual connection and everyday responsibilities—what she calls balancing “the mystic and the machine.” It’s not about dedicating hours to silent meditation, but about allowing your soul’s wisdom to guide each moment, each decision, and each breath of your daily life.
We explore the healing power of nature as a pathway back to our authentic selves. Rebecca explains how recognizing ourselves as extensions of nature—rather than separate from it—can heal the disconnection plaguing modern society. She shares beautifully simple practices for reconnecting with the sacred: noticing the buds on a tree, truly tasting a strawberry, or creating ritual out of everyday moments like bath time with a child.
With disarming vulnerability, Rebecca shares her personal experiences with grief, burnout, motherhood, and spiritual integration. Her raw honesty reveals how our deepest wounds can become catalysts for our greatest spiritual awakenings. In a culture obsessed with positivity, her perspective on grief as evidence of love offers profound healing, showing us how our hearts can expand—rather than harden—through painful experiences.
For anyone navigating their own spiritual awakening, Rebecca offers gentle yet powerful wisdom: trust the intelligence of your journey, just as nature trusts the intelligence that tells flowers when to bloom. Though the integration period may feel messy and disorienting—like a caterpillar dissolving before it becomes a butterfly—staying connected to grace during times of uncertainty allows us to emerge with greater authenticity and wholeness.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everyone, welcome to Spiritual Spotlight
Series.
Today I am joined by RebeccaCampbell, the mystic author,
oracle creator, podcaster andfounder of the Inner Temple
Mystery School.
Today we're going to beexploring her newest book your
Soul had a Dream.
Your Life Is it, rebecca?
Thank you so much for coming toSpiritual Spotlight Series.
I'm really happy you're here.
Yay, so good to be here withyou too, rachel.
(00:23):
Thank you, year.
Yay, so good to be here withyou too, rachel, thank you.
So what inspired the title ofthis book?
Was there a defining momentthat called it into being?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, yeah, the book, the first chapter begins.
First chapter is called FallInto my Arms and it really
described this mysticalexperience I had during my
Kirtan teacher training Kirtanbeing a form of bhakti yoga um,
where I entered this alteredstate.
We spoke about this before.
You're like, I'm like how deepcan I go?
You're like, go deep.
We like here, so we're goingdeep.
(00:52):
So I had this alteredexperience where I saw the gates
of life.
Um, so, and actually, ifanyone's watching this as
opposed to listening, behind meis actually a picture from one
of my Oracle decks, starseedOracle under the same name, fall
Into my Arms, which is adepiction of the mystical
experience where I saw thepathway that souls enter through
(01:16):
their first breath and exitthrough the last, and it was
really like in capturing thefullness of the human experience
in the sense of like the fullpolarity, like the grief and the
love, the, the, the sweetnessand the agony, like all of it,
(01:37):
you know, and I really saw how,um, it is all part of this
journey that we chose to comehere for and that, like grief,
for example, is evidence of howmuch we love, and if we close
off our hearts to the hard times, we'll also close it off to the
good times too, and so that'skind of like.
(02:00):
That was really like the energythat I received.
And then, yeah, your soul had adream.
Your life is it came.
It actually was the first pageof my book before that, which is
letters to a star seed.
It's just literally a um, apoetry line, um, so it had been
there for a little while.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm like, ooh, that's a really good book title, so
yeah, it is a really good booktitle and I what I do like about
the book is you do have itbroken into three sections and
it's almost like it's a verypoetic journey and you were very
vulnerable and sharing aboutthe losses that you've had in
your life and the, the traumathat you've gone through and how
(02:35):
were you able to get back tohealing and integrating back and
I just it really resonated verymuch so with me, with my own
life and my own journey and howa soul needs nourishment and how
we need to reconnect.
And it was just.
It's such a beautiful thing andI do want to ask you what does
it mean to walk the way of themystic in a world that is so
(02:57):
fast paced and disconnectedright now?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, the mystic is really the one who knows that
they can go direct to the sacred, to God, to the goddess, which
is very different to, I think,what most of us are taught
growing up.
And while I have great respectand honor anyone who's walking
(03:22):
any path, like a religious pathor any kind of sacred path, for
me every time I tried to go atraditional route, it just felt
like it was dismissing thatdirect experience.
I'd go to the mystical side of,say, christianity, the mystical
side of the different paths,and I realized, oh no, I'm just
(03:44):
a mystic, I just want to havethe direct union with God,
goddess, with the sacred, and sowhat that path really requires
of us is the courage to godirect, the courage to tend to
that relationship in an intimateway as well, tend to that
(04:08):
relationship in an intimate wayas well.
And so one of the principlesthat I talk about with the way
of the mystic is living thequestion rather than asking the
question, waiting for an answerand then taking the first step
once you've figured out everysingle step along the way.
And so that's why it takes alot of courage, but to me it's
just, it's really like living asoul-led life, it's really
living an intuitive life, liketrusting that inner voice over
(04:30):
the noise of the outside world,which is, my gosh, like such a
challenge these days, especiallywith technology and scrolling,
and oh my gosh it's, it is achallenge.
And oh my gosh it is achallenge and also, at the very
same time, we're not meant to bemystics in a cave either.
So it is about finding thisbalance between the two, like
(04:54):
the mystic and the machine, youwould say, or the mystic and the
logic or reason.
Both are important, but, yeah,finding the balance.
That is the big challenge.
The way I really do it is.
It's not about necessarily howmuch time I spend, but it's
about which part of me isleading.
So I go in for answers, I getthe answer for the next step and
(05:16):
then I'll, I'll reorientate mybody, my mind, my energy, um, my
day around acting on that.
Yeah, it's like moreintentional living.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
that's that.
Yeah, I love that.
It's like more intentionalliving that's present for you I
love that Right.
So you speak of living in tunewith the seasons.
How can we honor our own innerwinters and summers?
And you do mention in the book,like if we only read one book
is to read that book aboutnature.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, the mystery school of nature, which is
basically going outside andnoticing nature, noticing the
seasons.
Yeah, um, it is, and we can dothat so, so easily.
Literally, just go for a walkeach day in nature, notice the
seasons around you.
We've been so disconnected to,um, us being an extension of
(06:06):
nature, us being nature itself.
You look up the dictionary itspecifically says that we are
not part of nature, and that isjust not true.
It is just not true, and it isthe severing that has happened.
That, I think, is why we'reyearning so deeply, we're hungry
for connection, but we're also,like, wanting to be separate,
(06:27):
you know.
And so I think this, I thinkthe the simple act of returning
to nature can heal so much andit can also support us in.
You know, the hardest thing hasgot to be about being human is
change.
It's like the certain thing,it's the one sure certain thing,
but it is so difficult tonavigate.
(06:49):
But if we look to nature andthe seasons, it's constantly
changing.
And so I think, when we developa relationship with the seasons
outside of ourselves, it'seasier to be like oh, as the
leaves are falling, what'sfalling away within me, as the
buds are coming up in spring, oh, and we feel it.
(07:11):
We feel it regardless, you know, but when you're in
relationship with nature, you'relike, yeah, I am feeling more
inspired.
I wonder what new ideas I'vegot here, as the flowers are
blooming and we feel like goingout into the world, where we're
bringing those inner feelingsinto consciousness.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I really respect the livingwith the seasons of your life
and to also be okay with change,because we're always changing.
The versions of ourselves arealways evolving and changing.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I really like that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Um.
One of the chapters is um.
You say that you come withmedicine, not candy.
How do we know when we'reoffering our true soul medicine?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, great question.
Um, I think it comes with like,a feeling of feeling satisfied
and like of like it's resonantwithin us.
I think also, it's when itemerges from within us rather
(08:15):
than, like you know, respondingbecause you think you should, or
, uh, you know because you'relike, oh, I could do that.
That person's doing this, Ishould do that too, or we're
trying to keep up, or you know.
So it's like an externalinspiration.
Now, if you're scrolling onsocial media and someone kind of
(08:36):
triggers you a little bit andyou're like, hang on, I want to
do that, maybe that's giving youinspiration of how you're not
expressing yourself.
So it's all information.
But I think it's about what isrising within you, rather than
what do you think you should door what are you trying to avoid,
you know which is?
That's coming from fear, ego,yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So was it hard to share such vulnerable stories in
this book, and how did youprotect what was still sacred or
raw?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Great, great question .
So it was interesting with thisbook because it was written in
an extreme period of change andI know everyone has been
changing in that time.
The whole world has been goingthrough a death portal, for sure
.
I became a mom in that time itwas COVID.
I went through deep, deephealing and I've completely
(09:32):
changed as a person.
I'm still the same person,parts of me still, and so it
just it felt like I just can'tnot say this stuff because I'm
not who I was when I wrote mypre and it was like a whole part
of my life was missing, I thinkas well.
Um, I waited like it wasn't, Iwasn't, while I wrote some of it
(09:54):
, some of the poetry, as Ialways do, to make sense of my
experience, because it is it isthrough direct experience that I
that I teach, and I kind offeel like it's more like I'm
expressing rather than beinglike.
Here are the steps to take.
You know, it's definitely not abook like that.
It's a book of us all findingour way through this joint
(10:18):
experience that we are on.
I also felt really passionateabout how important it is to
talk about the reality oftransformation, the reality of
the awakening experience.
I think that we are living in avery interesting time where
(10:39):
many of us are processing thetrauma of ancestry, collective
trauma as well.
We are also in, for the firsttime that I'm aware of, we are
bombarded with information.
We've also, many of us have hadthese significant awakening
(11:05):
experiences, and while themystics of old have documented
it, most of them didn't havekids.
Most of them spent their livesup the mountain in a cave, and
so I think it's so important forus to bring these deep,
awakening, mystical experiences,these transformative moments
(11:28):
that we have, into reality,because, really, I really think
this book is really like a bookof like integration, and it's
like it starts with thisincredible mystical experience
that you could say wasspontaneous, that was like
awakening, but and and and it'seasy to talk about these
(11:49):
experiences like this happenedand then all of a sudden, this
happened, and that is true.
But then also, how long does ittake to integrate that?
And that is the spiritualjourney.
Spiritual journey is not justthe big visions that you have.
Spiritual journey is how can Iembody it, how can I bring the
soul, bring the unseen into form, into matter?
(12:12):
So, yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
And the thing is with the spiritual journey, it's
always meandering and it's goingto take you off on a tangent
and you may have lost, you mayhave joy, you may have this, you
may have that.
And you bring up such a validpoint about mothers who are
mystics and you know, honoringthe month, the mother journey,
and then it's just like we don'tbring in our motherhood side
(12:35):
into our healer side.
And I respect the fact that youbrought that into this, this
book that you, you know, youwrote, and it's just like wow, I
really deeply resonated with um.
There was a part in the bookwhere you talked about like I
think you were just exhaustedand you hit a wall and it was
either your mother, yourmother-in-law, that came to help
you and I was just like Iremember, I mean my son's 16 now
(12:58):
I remember I had the sameexperience with my own child and
I was like, wow, someone elsehad the same thing.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And it was just so like.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
it was like that instant connection, even if we
didn't meet today.
It was just like wow, she seesit, she gets it.
I just, I love when you talkabout the mother wound and how
that's our first real experienceof grief and loss.
You know, how can grief be sucha sacred teacher in our life?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hmm, well, it is this evidence of how much we love,
you know, and it can also showus what is unresolved.
So true, yeah, so true.
So it gives us information, um,but I don't know if you've
(13:46):
experienced this.
I certainly have, where thereis those, you know, don't get me
wrong, I'd much prefer to be injoy than grief, yeah, and there
are these exquisite moments ofintimacy that are possible when
we're grieving, that aren'tpossible in any other way, and
(14:09):
I'm thinking of particularlylike losing loved ones through
death, for example, whereactually the grief can be almost
like your intimate experiencewith them, your connection with
them, you know, and grief, grief.
You can tell you've met someonewho has, like, properly hit the
(14:33):
bottom, who is properly, um,being initiated through it, who
has found a way to not let itharden them.
And I think this is theinvitation of grief, just like
the invitation of birth as well,like through contractions.
Right, it's like you could belike, and I know everyone has a
(14:58):
different birthing experience,but with my one, I would say,
and I do think it is possible tohave a non-painful birth.
Both of mine were very intenseand I remember someone saying to
me yeah, it can be ecstaticthough Even the pain, can be
ecstatic because you're openingto life.
(15:21):
And I remember being not so muchin my first with my son, but
with my daughter, which wasstill very painful for me, but I
felt that.
I felt that and it reminded meof grief, where it was just like
, whoa, I'm really living now.
And how do I, even through thecontractions, as much as I want
(15:43):
to just like not open again, howcan I then and this is
literally in the codes of ourbody, this is in the codes of
nature we contract and then weexpand, and then we contract a
bit, not as much as we didbefore, but then we expand even
more.
And I think this is what griefis inviting us to do, and I
(16:06):
think this is the.
The challenge and triumph oflife is how can I get to the end
of my life still fully living?
How can I have a soft heart,which you know it's got bruises
on it because I've like gone forit, because I've not put up
(16:26):
these barricades, yeah, yeah, Ireally like how you said that
there is intimacy in grief andyou bring me back to my brother.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
He committed suicide about I don't remember how long
ago, but there was beauty inthat grief journey and how we
came together as a community tohonor his life.
You know, into more and helmand the loss, but they're
looking back on it from whatyou're saying.
There was such beauty and likehow the family navigated that
(17:01):
tragic event and to be able tobe open and to be vulnerable,
have a soft heart and yetbruised, but not let us go into
the cave and be shut off fromreality.
So I really like how you putthat, because it makes me put
like oh, that's a good, that'ssuch a good perspective.
you know, in life, like it's,it's okay, you know, and there,
(17:25):
and I also feel like, and Iwould, I would, I would ask you
this too.
I do feel like real heart hurts.
That happened to us.
That opens us up for ascension,awakening connection to divine,
and it's like it, just like yousaid, it's encoded in our body
and I think it like cause you'researching for something deeper
meaning, like am I?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
alone in this and it opens us up to this beautiful
journey and I really, I reallylike how you said that.
Oh, thank you, and thank youfor sharing about your brother.
Oh, yeah, I, and I really feelwhat you're saying about
community, like the openingsthat can come, the healing that
can come through, like somethingas agonizing as as mourning the
loss of someone you know.
(18:11):
And yeah, and I totally agree,in the book I talk about
different like stages ofawakening and I try not to do it
like as in, like it's step one,step two, step three, because
everyone's journey is unique.
But what I have noticed is thatfor many this tends to be like a
mind awakening where that'slike oh my gosh, the world is
(18:33):
different to what I was taughtor whatever.
And then the heart awakeningcomes through grief and the
invitation of that is to let itstretch your heart wider, open.
And if you say yes to that,more of spirit, more of soul
will drop in.
And you're right, and I thinkas well, when you go through
(18:54):
these periods like that, whereit's just like and I have a,
particularly when I firstexperienced like deep, deep
grief through, like loss of, of,of friends passing, and it was.
It was the agony, it was thepain, the ache in my heart that
was all consuming.
(19:16):
That actually led me to stepinto my work that I do now.
And it was because my mind justwas like I just give up.
I just what's the fucking point?
Like what is happening?
Like we could all die.
Yeah, it's like, what are weall doing?
And so my brain was just like Ijust, I just I don't, I don't
(19:37):
know, I don't know what to say,I don't know what you know.
And that was really good,because it meant my soul could
drop in and be like fuck it,like life's short, I'm going to
let's go, like what's the worstthat could happen.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It can't be worse than this.
You know so, so true, it's sotrue.
Even like as healers today,it's like who gives a fuck?
Like just live your life, liveyour soul's purpose, speak your
truth.
You know the people that aremeant to be with you will be
with you.
The people that are meant tofall away will fall away.
You do talk about in the book,which I really, really liked,
about like the cycles offriendships and being okay with
(20:16):
letting go.
It's very painful but it's okay, Like to have space for that
with your friends, your lovedones, like life is ever evolving
.
I really liked that.
I was like I loved it.
It was so good.
So I do want to kind of shift alittle bit.
I know we're talking aboutgrief and stuff about burnout,
(20:36):
so I think that's so prevalentin today's society.
So how has your own experiencewith burnout reshaped your
beliefs around productivity,rest and sacred pacing?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
reshaped your beliefs around productivity, rest and
sacred pacing.
Oh, my god, like I've got anaries moon and so, oh, this is a
constant lesson for me.
I'm also a projector humandesign.
I don't know what you are.
I'm a manifesting generator.
Oh, that's good.
Well, that works with aries.
I'm just like and go.
I love it.
Well, I've discovered that I amdefinitely not meant to be go,
(21:12):
go, go all the time, but I'mreally good at doing that.
So, yeah, it's been a definiteand I love my work.
So, yeah, working out where tofind balance has been a lifelong
journey so far, but I finallyfeel like I'm committed to
balance now.
Maybe it took being a mum oftwo under five, I don't know.
(21:34):
But yeah, it's with technology,with the go go go, with, you
know, the online world and thevisibility of like they're doing
this, they're doing this.
I should catch up.
It's just exhausting.
And I think I've got this.
I think it's in the book.
(21:55):
It's also I've got this newOracle, the Inner Temple Oracle,
coming out in September, andI've got this card called the
mystic, the machine, and it'slike holding the polarity of
that Right.
So being the mystic and themystic to me is like the artist,
it's like living in accordingto your intuition and your
medicine and all of that.
(22:15):
And then the machine is modernlife, right.
So it's like social media, it'sAI, it's also just like making
shit happen.
It's Aries, basically, you know, and so it's also just like
making shit happen.
It's aries, basically, you know,and so it's basically scorpio
and aries, how do you marriagethe two?
And?
And we're meant to marry bothof them.
(22:36):
It's not like we should be hereor we should be here.
It's like, how can we findbalance?
And for me it's like, how can Iinvite the mystic, the soul,
the whatever, to be at thecenter, be the one leading the
way and then, when I'm reallycalled to act, go for it, like
really go for it, because wedon't want to just be living in
(22:58):
this kind of like unseen, dreamyworld that, oh my God, I can't
imagine anything worse than that.
What's the freaking point?
There's no point.
Um, but we also don't want tojust live in this soulless kind
of go, go, go, fast, fast, fast,um, what?
What's the point of it all?
Um, um.
(23:18):
So it's like, how do we findthe balance of?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
the two.
Yeah, so it sounds like a themein your life.
Definitely it's balance andlike how to live your soul's
truth but also be present insociety and like living your
life as a wife, a mother, apartner, like friend and I.
I like it sounds like balanceis definitely something that's a
theme you know, that's foreveryone.
That's so important.
(23:40):
I like that.
It's interesting.
You, I, I, I am.
I'm shocked and this is not oneof my questions that you
brought up comparing yourself toothers and somebody who is so
accomplished.
I'm surprised that that'ssomething that you've maybe had
a little tale of.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I think, everyone does.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I can't imagine anyone who doesn't.
Yeah, maybe some people don'tat all, but I respect the fact
that you're willing to be likeyeah, I, maybe I've shared, I've
experienced this.
I do feel like it's separationcontract to compare ourselves
and whatnot, something I'mworking on right now.
Like separation contracts.
It's a present in my life rightnow, like, but it's just like
wow, but it reminds me to bealso gentle on my own self and
it's like no, don't like what amI gaining here?
(24:30):
Like we all have things to goahead.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think the whole like modern media world sets it
up for that.
The classy instagram as women,women, like we're taught.
This is the way you meant tolook.
This is this is you know likeit's everywhere, yes.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And how do you disconnect from that?
How do you like go within andbe like it's okay, I'm okay?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, I mean, I think the number one way is to
develop a relationship withyourself and be led from there.
So at least start your day fromthere.
And when I say that I don'tbecause I don't actually start
my day from there now, becauseI've got young kids and so I
start with my young kids andthen I'd start my day, but you
(25:16):
get what I mean.
Like go there first, like letthat be where you're leading
from.
I can feel it Like the daysthat I don't go for a walk, days
, that I don't go for a walk,days, that I um pick up my phone
before anything else, and thatis going to happen, like I I'm
not going to pretend that that'snot going to happen.
Before I had kids, I couldcontrol that a lot more.
(25:38):
I can't control that anymoreCause I'm like got to check what
day it is at school.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, like, what activities do I have?
Do I have snacks?
Do I have this?
Am I dropping them off?
Am I, are you?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
yeah, exactly so I could be more, I could start my
more, have my mornings as themystic in the cave, and then the
afternoon I'd be productive.
I can't do that like in thesame way anymore which is
actually really good like,because, like who wants to just
hear from a mystic in a cave?
maybe some people, I don't knowwe want reality yeah, exactly,
(26:09):
exactly, um, but likeprioritizing that, so that's a
big thing.
And then I think that anotherthing is like it's it's all core
, inner child, um, reparentingstuff of like, why am I actually
doing this, like, like, why doI actually care about this, you
know, and I think there's alwaysa deeper layer to be found.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, absolutely so.
You bring up nature a lot, sowhat um has your relationship
with nature taught you that noteacher ever could?
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Whoa, hmm, hmm.
Well, the first thing I wouldsay is that, like you, you
you're like a portal to all ofthe wisdom that ever was, is and
(27:04):
will be.
But it's through the connectionwith nature that you can do
that.
So a tree, a flower, you couldask it a question, just like you
would an oracle, just like youwould anything, and so it's that
you can go direct to the sacred.
It is right there in front ofyou.
(27:26):
I think I had gotten that, maybeintellectually, before, but
it's literally right there infront of us.
And we've been taught to lookelsewhere too, and there's
nothing wrong with this.
I'm not saying there's anythingwrong with it, and I'm saying I
think that that we've beengypped because we've been taught
you meant to go to books, youmeant to go to um, you know
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people who are more wise thanyou, and those things are really
good and we should.
And you don't have to jump anyhoops to connect.
You can connect to the sacredany moment of any day.
It's not just a man in the sky,it's not just a professor who's
written a book or whatever itis available to you any moment
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of any day.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Absolutely.
I like that.
You talk about going direct andI envision that with when I'm
working with my crystals.
I just pick it up and it's likewhat's the vibration that I'm
getting from this?
Or if I'm working with theelementals and I want to talk to
the gnomes or whatever.
Or looking at a tree, and everymorning I love the sunrise and
it's always like.
Or looking at a tree, and everymorning I, you know, I love the
sunrise and it's always like,thank you, I just I love the
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sunrise and the magic that thesunrise brings.
And you know, for those thatmight be new to going direct,
how can they begin to connectwith the sacred within?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So I would say in relation to nature, I'd just say
, literally, just notice nature,just in whatever small way you
can Say you're picking up yourkids from school, you're waiting
for them, there's a tree there.
Notice what season it is.
You'll probably knowintellectually what season it is
, but just notice, like, oh,there's little buds that are
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forming there.
They've not bloomed yet.
Oh, they're quite tight.
Oh, they look a bit differentto what they did yesterday.
Oh, look how beautiful that is.
Oh, it's a little lady beetle.
Oh, it's so alive, you know.
And so you're noticing thesacred that's there, right?
Because when you do that,you're also you're in connection
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with life itself.
That same intelligence thattells the flowers when to bloom,
the leaves to fall, when theseasons change, exists within
you too, and so we've been cutoff from that.
So that's a really, really,really simple way that you can
have that direct experience withthe sacred.
Another way is, in the same wayas like, just noticing the life
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essence within a tree, within aplant, within the sunrise,
sunset, moon, whatever.
You can just look at yourselfin the mirror and just see if
you can, like you soften yourgaze and look at yourself, and
then there'll be like this shiftwhere you like are like oh, I
can see myself here, you can dothe same thing.
(30:15):
And you know I did this withwhen I first began working,
after my son and I'd come home,and I remember I think my
mother-in-law was visiting atthe time and it was lovely, like
I loved that she was there.
But I noticed that I wasfeeling a little bit like
jealous, that I didn't have likemy time with him because, like
everyone was around, you know,and, and then I had just started
(30:37):
work and stuff.
And I told my husband and he'slike so just take your baby,
like do whatever you want.
I'm like, oh yeah, and so wetook him and I was doing bath
time, anyway, like bath time washappening.
But I'm like no, I want, I wantto have this connection.
So we ended up turning it intolike a we would have a bath
together every night and wedon't do it every night now, but
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it's still a thing that I dowith my son and, like when he
was a little baby, I would likesing him a little song and I'd
like look him in the eye, and ittook exactly the same amount of
time as if I was like doing thejob of bathing him, but I
turned it into a form ofconnection.
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So, no matter how busy our lifeis, no matter what we're doing,
we can do that Same thing.
You take a strawberry, you'regoing to cut a strawberry up and
eat it.
I guarantee you, if you orderedthat strawberry and you didn't
know what a strawberry was andyou didn't know, it just grew
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naturally and you put it in yourmouth, you'd be like oh my God,
is this made by a Michelin chef?
What?
It's available every moment forus.
We don't need to spend an hourmeditating to connect with it.
It's through the senses, it'sthrough the body, and that's the
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other thing.
Particularly as women men too,but particularly as women we've
been told to disconnect from thesensual nature of life, from
the beauty.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, that's actually a very valid point that you
bring up, that we've been shamedto disconnect from that sensual
part of life and it's, you know, especially for women and how
society deals with that now, andI do feel like it's kind of
becoming a reawakening to kindof reconnect women back to that
sacred path of sensuality.
(32:36):
And it doesn't necessarily meanan orgasm, it could be just the
beauty in a strawberry.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Exactly, yeah yeah, like running your fingers across
material or smelling a rose.
You're just taking a secondmore.
It doesn't take long.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, you remind me, just yesterday in my day job I'm
a registered nurse, I run adoctor's office in my day job
and one of our staff members,she brought us in these
beautiful roses and it was justsuch a beautiful moment and I
sat there and I made a point tosmell it, I put, left it on my
desk and I'm just like, wow,what a beautiful little moment
(33:14):
to reconnect back to nature andthis busy doctor's office.
You know her to give us thatbeautiful gift.
It was so nice, so nice, sotrue.
So true, so you have a podcastreturning.
So what inspired your podcastreturning?
How does storytelling play arole in spiritual remembering
podcast returning?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
how does storytelling play a role in spiritual
remembering.
Well, I think why I wanted todo a podcast was um, at the time
when I created it.
It was in those years wherethere was just so much um, um,
reactivity on social media.
I was starting to really notenjoy social media and it felt
(33:58):
like I couldn't share my voicewith like nuance and share what
was actually true, becausemultiple things were true, and
it felt like I'm sure you findit as well like being able to
just speak or have conversations.
It was like you could just likesay what's happening rather
than be like I'm going to teachyou what I've learned, because
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it's like we learn throughexperience and we're always
figuring things out along theway.
So that was really why I wanted, wanted that, that format, I
guess, the longer format andthen, um, as far as why,
returning?
So it's returning to the wisdomwithin.
It's just returning to yourself, coming back to yourself.
(34:45):
Coming back to yourself, yeah,I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So what have you learned about the importance of
spiritual community in thismodern moment?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Hmm, Good question.
Um, I would say that, um, it'sjust really important to be able
(35:18):
to show up where we are and howwe are and to have safe spaces
for us to be able to do that, um, without like someone giving
you an intuitive reading orfixing you or whatever, like
just to realize that, like, whenthings aren't working out, it's
not a bad thing.
It's not about like fixing eachother or healing each other.
It's just about like properlyliving, letting life open us and
(35:41):
expand us and initiate us andintegrate through it.
So I think that is the mostimportant thing when it comes to
spiritual community spiritualcommunity, people who can just
hold space for where you are,rather than try and help you be
some place that you're not quiteyet.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like that.
And for our final question, ifsomeone listening is awakening
but unsure of the next step,what soul, deep wisdom would you
offer as a golden thread tohold on to?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I would say that if you are experiencing an
awakening and I do believe thatthe awakening journey never ends
, but we can go through intenseperiods that there is an
intelligence to it, just likethere's an intelligence to birth
, there's an intelligence to theflowers opening to birth as an
intelligence to the flowersopening.
So, to trust in that and stayconnected to whatever it is that
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you believe in you might callit grace, you might call it God,
you might call it soul, spirit,whatever light Just keep
connecting to that, because whenwe are opening which I think is
a form of awakening, awakeningisn't a form of that we're just
expanding, expanding, expanding.
(36:59):
We need to integrate it, andit's normal to you know it to be
like, as you go through aperiod of transformation, just
like the butterfly goes fromlike one state to another and
the bit in between it's justlike messy gunk.
From like one state to anotherand the bit in between it's just
like messy gunk, you know.
And so don't judge yourself.
(37:22):
If it's like this should betaking less time or I should be
getting this more, it's thetransformation, is the
integration period, and it's soimportant and it will.
You will get through it.
Just keep holding onto to graceif it's feeling a little scary.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Well, rebecca, I want to thank you so much for coming
to Spiritual Spotlight Series.
It's truly been amazing toconnect with you.
I remember your book the Lightis New Black, which I have right
over there.
Your Oracle Card Dex has trulybeen like.
I feel like you've been apartner in so many people's
awakening journey and I justwant to thank you so much for
offering your wisdom and yourgrace today.
Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Rachel, it's been just lovely talking with you.
Such good questions.
Hello everyone, welcome to Spiritual Spotlight
Series.
Today I am joined by RebeccaCampbell, the mystic author,
oracle creator, podcaster andfounder of the Inner Temple
Mystery School.
Today we're going to beexploring her newest book your
Soul had a Dream.
Your Life Is it, rebecca?
Thank you so much for coming toSpiritual Spotlight Series.
I'm really happy you're here.
Yay, so good to be here withyou too, rachel.
(00:23):
Thank you, year.
Yay, so good to be here withyou too, rachel, thank you.
So what inspired the title ofthis book?
Was there a defining momentthat called it into being?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, yeah, the book, the first chapter begins.
First chapter is called FallInto my Arms and it really
described this mysticalexperience I had during my
Kirtan teacher training Kirtanbeing a form of bhakti yoga um,
where I entered this alteredstate.
We spoke about this before.
You're like, I'm like how deepcan I go?
You're like, go deep.
We like here, so we're goingdeep.
(00:52):
So I had this alteredexperience where I saw the gates
of life.
Um, so, and actually, ifanyone's watching this as
opposed to listening, behind meis actually a picture from one
of my Oracle decks, starseedOracle under the same name, fall
Into my Arms, which is adepiction of the mystical
experience where I saw thepathway that souls enter through
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their first breath and exitthrough the last, and it was
really like in capturing thefullness of the human experience
in the sense of like the fullpolarity, like the grief and the
love, the, the, the sweetnessand the agony, like all of it,
(01:37):
you know, and I really saw how,um, it is all part of this
journey that we chose to comehere for and that, like grief,
for example, is evidence of howmuch we love, and if we close
off our hearts to the hard times, we'll also close it off to the
good times too, and so that'skind of like.
(02:00):
That was really like the energythat I received.
And then, yeah, your soul had adream.
Your life is it came.
It actually was the first pageof my book before that, which is
letters to a star seed.
It's just literally a um, apoetry line, um, so it had been
there for a little while.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm like, ooh, that's a really good book title, so
yeah, it is a really good booktitle and I what I do like about
the book is you do have itbroken into three sections and
it's almost like it's a verypoetic journey and you were very
vulnerable and sharing aboutthe losses that you've had in
your life and the, the traumathat you've gone through and how
(02:35):
were you able to get back tohealing and integrating back and
I just it really resonated verymuch so with me, with my own
life and my own journey and howa soul needs nourishment and how
we need to reconnect.
And it was just.
It's such a beautiful thing andI do want to ask you what does
it mean to walk the way of themystic in a world that is so
(02:57):
fast paced and disconnectedright now?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, the mystic is really the one who knows that
they can go direct to the sacred, to God, to the goddess, which
is very different to, I think,what most of us are taught
growing up.
And while I have great respectand honor anyone who's walking
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any path, like a religious pathor any kind of sacred path, for
me every time I tried to go atraditional route, it just felt
like it was dismissing thatdirect experience.
I'd go to the mystical side of,say, christianity, the mystical
side of the different paths,and I realized, oh no, I'm just
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a mystic, I just want to havethe direct union with God,
goddess, with the sacred, and sowhat that path really requires
of us is the courage to godirect, the courage to tend to
that relationship in an intimateway as well, tend to that
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relationship in an intimate wayas well.
And so one of the principlesthat I talk about with the way
of the mystic is living thequestion rather than asking the
question, waiting for an answerand then taking the first step
once you've figured out everysingle step along the way.
And so that's why it takes alot of courage, but to me it's
just, it's really like living asoul-led life, it's really
living an intuitive life, liketrusting that inner voice over
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the noise of the outside world,which is, my gosh, like such a
challenge these days, especiallywith technology and scrolling,
and oh my gosh it's, it is achallenge.
And oh my gosh it is achallenge and also, at the very
same time, we're not meant to bemystics in a cave either.
So it is about finding thisbalance between the two, like
(04:54):
the mystic and the machine, youwould say, or the mystic and the
logic or reason.
Both are important, but, yeah,finding the balance.
That is the big challenge.
The way I really do it is.
It's not about necessarily howmuch time I spend, but it's
about which part of me isleading.
So I go in for answers, I getthe answer for the next step and
(05:16):
then I'll, I'll reorientate mybody, my mind, my energy, um, my
day around acting on that.
Yeah, it's like moreintentional living.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
that's that.
Yeah, I love that.
It's like more intentionalliving that's present for you I
love that Right.
So you speak of living in tunewith the seasons.
How can we honor our own innerwinters and summers?
And you do mention in the book,like if we only read one book
is to read that book aboutnature.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, the mystery school of nature, which is
basically going outside andnoticing nature, noticing the
seasons.
Yeah, um, it is, and we can dothat so, so easily.
Literally, just go for a walkeach day in nature, notice the
seasons around you.
We've been so disconnected to,um, us being an extension of
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nature, us being nature itself.
You look up the dictionary itspecifically says that we are
not part of nature, and that isjust not true.
It is just not true, and it isthe severing that has happened.
That, I think, is why we'reyearning so deeply, we're hungry
for connection, but we're also,like, wanting to be separate,
(06:27):
you know.
And so I think this, I thinkthe the simple act of returning
to nature can heal so much andit can also support us in.
You know, the hardest thing hasgot to be about being human is
change.
It's like the certain thing,it's the one sure certain thing,
but it is so difficult tonavigate.
(06:49):
But if we look to nature andthe seasons, it's constantly
changing.
And so I think, when we developa relationship with the seasons
outside of ourselves, it'seasier to be like oh, as the
leaves are falling, what'sfalling away within me, as the
buds are coming up in spring, oh, and we feel it.
(07:11):
We feel it regardless, you know, but when you're in
relationship with nature, you'relike, yeah, I am feeling more
inspired.
I wonder what new ideas I'vegot here, as the flowers are
blooming and we feel like goingout into the world, where we're
bringing those inner feelingsinto consciousness.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I really respect the livingwith the seasons of your life
and to also be okay with change,because we're always changing.
The versions of ourselves arealways evolving and changing.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I really like that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Um.
One of the chapters is um.
You say that you come withmedicine, not candy.
How do we know when we'reoffering our true soul medicine?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, great question.
Um, I think it comes with like,a feeling of feeling satisfied
and like of like it's resonantwithin us.
I think also, it's when itemerges from within us rather
(08:15):
than, like you know, respondingbecause you think you should, or
, uh, you know because you'relike, oh, I could do that.
That person's doing this, Ishould do that too, or we're
trying to keep up, or you know.
So it's like an externalinspiration.
Now, if you're scrolling onsocial media and someone kind of
(08:36):
triggers you a little bit andyou're like, hang on, I want to
do that, maybe that's giving youinspiration of how you're not
expressing yourself.
So it's all information.
But I think it's about what isrising within you, rather than
what do you think you should door what are you trying to avoid,
you know which is?
That's coming from fear, ego,yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So was it hard to share such vulnerable stories in
this book, and how did youprotect what was still sacred or
raw?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Great, great question .
So it was interesting with thisbook because it was written in
an extreme period of change andI know everyone has been
changing in that time.
The whole world has been goingthrough a death portal, for sure
.
I became a mom in that time itwas COVID.
I went through deep, deephealing and I've completely
(09:32):
changed as a person.
I'm still the same person,parts of me still, and so it
just it felt like I just can'tnot say this stuff because I'm
not who I was when I wrote mypre and it was like a whole part
of my life was missing, I thinkas well.
Um, I waited like it wasn't, Iwasn't, while I wrote some of it
(09:54):
, some of the poetry, as Ialways do, to make sense of my
experience, because it is it isthrough direct experience that I
that I teach, and I kind offeel like it's more like I'm
expressing rather than beinglike.
Here are the steps to take.
You know, it's definitely not abook like that.
It's a book of us all findingour way through this joint
(10:18):
experience that we are on.
I also felt really passionateabout how important it is to
talk about the reality oftransformation, the reality of
the awakening experience.
I think that we are living in avery interesting time where
(10:39):
many of us are processing thetrauma of ancestry, collective
trauma as well.
We are also in, for the firsttime that I'm aware of, we are
bombarded with information.
We've also, many of us have hadthese significant awakening
(11:05):
experiences, and while themystics of old have documented
it, most of them didn't havekids.
Most of them spent their livesup the mountain in a cave, and
so I think it's so important forus to bring these deep,
awakening, mystical experiences,these transformative moments
(11:28):
that we have, into reality,because, really, I really think
this book is really like a bookof like integration, and it's
like it starts with thisincredible mystical experience
that you could say wasspontaneous, that was like
awakening, but and and and it'seasy to talk about these
(11:49):
experiences like this happenedand then all of a sudden, this
happened, and that is true.
But then also, how long does ittake to integrate that?
And that is the spiritualjourney.
Spiritual journey is not justthe big visions that you have.
Spiritual journey is how can Iembody it, how can I bring the
soul, bring the unseen into form, into matter?
(12:12):
So, yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
And the thing is with the spiritual journey, it's
always meandering and it's goingto take you off on a tangent
and you may have lost, you mayhave joy, you may have this, you
may have that.
And you bring up such a validpoint about mothers who are
mystics and you know, honoringthe month, the mother journey,
and then it's just like we don'tbring in our motherhood side
(12:35):
into our healer side.
And I respect the fact that youbrought that into this, this
book that you, you know, youwrote, and it's just like wow, I
really deeply resonated with um.
There was a part in the bookwhere you talked about like I
think you were just exhaustedand you hit a wall and it was
either your mother, yourmother-in-law, that came to help
you and I was just like Iremember, I mean my son's 16 now
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I remember I had the sameexperience with my own child and
I was like, wow, someone elsehad the same thing.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And it was just so like.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
it was like that instant connection, even if we
didn't meet today.
It was just like wow, she seesit, she gets it.
I just, I love when you talkabout the mother wound and how
that's our first real experienceof grief and loss.
You know, how can grief be sucha sacred teacher in our life?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Hmm, well, it is this evidence of how much we love,
you know, and it can also showus what is unresolved.
So true, yeah, so true.
So it gives us information, um,but I don't know if you've
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experienced this.
I certainly have, where thereis those, you know, don't get me
wrong, I'd much prefer to be injoy than grief, yeah, and there
are these exquisite moments ofintimacy that are possible when
we're grieving, that aren'tpossible in any other way, and
(14:09):
I'm thinking of particularlylike losing loved ones through
death, for example, whereactually the grief can be almost
like your intimate experiencewith them, your connection with
them, you know, and grief, grief.
You can tell you've met someonewho has, like, properly hit the
(14:33):
bottom, who is properly, um,being initiated through it, who
has found a way to not let itharden them.
And I think this is theinvitation of grief, just like
the invitation of birth as well,like through contractions.
Right, it's like you could belike, and I know everyone has a
(14:58):
different birthing experience,but with my one, I would say,
and I do think it is possible tohave a non-painful birth.
Both of mine were very intenseand I remember someone saying to
me yeah, it can be ecstaticthough Even the pain, can be
ecstatic because you're openingto life.
(15:21):
And I remember being not so muchin my first with my son, but
with my daughter, which wasstill very painful for me, but I
felt that.
I felt that and it reminded meof grief, where it was just like
, whoa, I'm really living now.
And how do I, even through thecontractions, as much as I want
(15:43):
to just like not open again, howcan I then and this is
literally in the codes of ourbody, this is in the codes of
nature we contract and then weexpand, and then we contract a
bit, not as much as we didbefore, but then we expand even
more.
And I think this is what griefis inviting us to do, and I
(16:06):
think this is the.
The challenge and triumph oflife is how can I get to the end
of my life still fully living?
How can I have a soft heart,which you know it's got bruises
on it because I've like gone forit, because I've not put up
(16:26):
these barricades, yeah, yeah, Ireally like how you said that
there is intimacy in grief andyou bring me back to my brother.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
He committed suicide about I don't remember how long
ago, but there was beauty inthat grief journey and how we
came together as a community tohonor his life.
You know, into more and helmand the loss, but they're
looking back on it from whatyou're saying.
There was such beauty and likehow the family navigated that
(17:01):
tragic event and to be able tobe open and to be vulnerable,
have a soft heart and yetbruised, but not let us go into
the cave and be shut off fromreality.
So I really like how you putthat, because it makes me put
like oh, that's a good, that'ssuch a good perspective.
you know, in life, like it's,it's okay, you know, and there,
(17:25):
and I also feel like, and Iwould, I would, I would ask you
this too.
I do feel like real heart hurts.
That happened to us.
That opens us up for ascension,awakening connection to divine,
and it's like it, just like yousaid, it's encoded in our body
and I think it like cause you'researching for something deeper
meaning, like am I?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
alone in this and it opens us up to this beautiful
journey and I really, I reallylike how you said that.
Oh, thank you, and thank youfor sharing about your brother.
Oh, yeah, I, and I really feelwhat you're saying about
community, like the openingsthat can come, the healing that
can come through, like somethingas agonizing as as mourning the
loss of someone you know.
(18:11):
And yeah, and I totally agree,in the book I talk about
different like stages ofawakening and I try not to do it
like as in, like it's step one,step two, step three, because
everyone's journey is unique.
But what I have noticed is thatfor many this tends to be like a
mind awakening where that'slike oh my gosh, the world is
(18:33):
different to what I was taughtor whatever.
And then the heart awakeningcomes through grief and the
invitation of that is to let itstretch your heart wider, open.
And if you say yes to that,more of spirit, more of soul
will drop in.
And you're right, and I thinkas well, when you go through
(18:54):
these periods like that, whereit's just like and I have a,
particularly when I firstexperienced like deep, deep
grief through, like loss of, of,of friends passing, and it was.
It was the agony, it was thepain, the ache in my heart that
was all consuming.
(19:16):
That actually led me to stepinto my work that I do now.
And it was because my mind justwas like I just give up.
I just what's the fucking point?
Like what is happening?
Like we could all die.
Yeah, it's like, what are weall doing?
And so my brain was just like Ijust, I just I don't, I don't
(19:37):
know, I don't know what to say,I don't know what you know.
And that was really good,because it meant my soul could
drop in and be like fuck it,like life's short, I'm going to
let's go, like what's the worstthat could happen.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
It can't be worse than this.
You know so, so true, it's sotrue.
Even like as healers today,it's like who gives a fuck?
Like just live your life, liveyour soul's purpose, speak your
truth.
You know the people that aremeant to be with you will be
with you.
The people that are meant tofall away will fall away.
You do talk about in the book,which I really, really liked,
about like the cycles offriendships and being okay with
(20:16):
letting go.
It's very painful but it's okay, Like to have space for that
with your friends, your lovedones, like life is ever evolving
.
I really liked that.
I was like I loved it.
It was so good.
So I do want to kind of shift alittle bit.
I know we're talking aboutgrief and stuff about burnout,
(20:36):
so I think that's so prevalentin today's society.
So how has your own experiencewith burnout reshaped your
beliefs around productivity,rest and sacred pacing?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
reshaped your beliefs around productivity, rest and
sacred pacing.
Oh, my god, like I've got anaries moon and so, oh, this is a
constant lesson for me.
I'm also a projector humandesign.
I don't know what you are.
I'm a manifesting generator.
Oh, that's good.
Well, that works with aries.
I'm just like and go.
I love it.
Well, I've discovered that I amdefinitely not meant to be go,
(21:12):
go, go all the time, but I'mreally good at doing that.
So, yeah, it's been a definiteand I love my work.
So, yeah, working out where tofind balance has been a lifelong
journey so far, but I finallyfeel like I'm committed to
balance now.
Maybe it took being a mum oftwo under five, I don't know.
(21:34):
But yeah, it's with technology,with the go go go, with, you
know, the online world and thevisibility of like they're doing
this, they're doing this.
I should catch up.
It's just exhausting.
And I think I've got this.
I think it's in the book.
(21:55):
It's also I've got this newOracle, the Inner Temple Oracle,
coming out in September, andI've got this card called the
mystic, the machine, and it'slike holding the polarity of
that Right.
So being the mystic and themystic to me is like the artist,
it's like living in accordingto your intuition and your
medicine and all of that.
(22:15):
And then the machine is modernlife, right.
So it's like social media, it'sAI, it's also just like making
shit happen.
It's Aries, basically, you know, and so it's also just like
making shit happen.
It's aries, basically, you know,and so it's basically scorpio
and aries, how do you marriagethe two?
And?
And we're meant to marry bothof them.
(22:36):
It's not like we should be hereor we should be here.
It's like, how can we findbalance?
And for me it's like, how can Iinvite the mystic, the soul,
the whatever, to be at thecenter, be the one leading the
way and then, when I'm reallycalled to act, go for it, like
really go for it, because wedon't want to just be living in
(22:58):
this kind of like unseen, dreamyworld that, oh my God, I can't
imagine anything worse than that.
What's the freaking point?
There's no point.
Um, but we also don't want tojust live in this soulless kind
of go, go, go, fast, fast, fast,um, what?
What's the point of it all?
Um, um.
(23:18):
So it's like, how do we findthe balance of?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
the two.
Yeah, so it sounds like a themein your life.
Definitely it's balance andlike how to live your soul's
truth but also be present insociety and like living your
life as a wife, a mother, apartner, like friend and I.
I like it sounds like balanceis definitely something that's a
theme you know, that's foreveryone.
That's so important.
(23:40):
I like that.
It's interesting.
You, I, I, I am.
I'm shocked and this is not oneof my questions that you
brought up comparing yourself toothers and somebody who is so
accomplished.
I'm surprised that that'ssomething that you've maybe had
a little tale of.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I think, everyone does.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I can't imagine anyone who doesn't.
Yeah, maybe some people don'tat all, but I respect the fact
that you're willing to be likeyeah, I, maybe I've shared, I've
experienced this.
I do feel like it's separationcontract to compare ourselves
and whatnot, something I'mworking on right now.
Like separation contracts.
It's a present in my life rightnow, like, but it's just like
wow, but it reminds me to bealso gentle on my own self and
it's like no, don't like what amI gaining here?
(24:30):
Like we all have things to goahead.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think the whole like modern media world sets it
up for that.
The classy instagram as women,women, like we're taught.
This is the way you meant tolook.
This is this is you know likeit's everywhere, yes.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And how do you disconnect from that?
How do you like go within andbe like it's okay, I'm okay?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Well, I mean, I think the number one way is to
develop a relationship withyourself and be led from there.
So at least start your day fromthere.
And when I say that I don'tbecause I don't actually start
my day from there now, becauseI've got young kids and so I
start with my young kids andthen I'd start my day, but you
(25:16):
get what I mean.
Like go there first, like letthat be where you're leading
from.
I can feel it Like the daysthat I don't go for a walk, days
, that I don't go for a walk,days, that I um pick up my phone
before anything else, and thatis going to happen, like I I'm
not going to pretend that that'snot going to happen.
Before I had kids, I couldcontrol that a lot more.
(25:38):
I can't control that anymoreCause I'm like got to check what
day it is at school.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, like, what activities do I have?
Do I have snacks?
Do I have this?
Am I dropping them off?
Am I, are you?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
yeah, exactly so I could be more, I could start my
more, have my mornings as themystic in the cave, and then the
afternoon I'd be productive.
I can't do that like in thesame way anymore which is
actually really good like,because, like who wants to just
hear from a mystic in a cave?
maybe some people, I don't knowwe want reality yeah, exactly,
(26:09):
exactly, um, but likeprioritizing that, so that's a
big thing.
And then I think that anotherthing is like it's it's all core
, inner child, um, reparentingstuff of like, why am I actually
doing this, like, like, why doI actually care about this, you
know, and I think there's alwaysa deeper layer to be found.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, absolutely so.
You bring up nature a lot, sowhat um has your relationship
with nature taught you that noteacher ever could?
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Whoa, hmm, hmm.
Well, the first thing I wouldsay is that, like you, you
you're like a portal to all ofthe wisdom that ever was, is and
(27:04):
will be.
But it's through the connectionwith nature that you can do
that.
So a tree, a flower, you couldask it a question, just like you
would an oracle, just like youwould anything, and so it's that
you can go direct to the sacred.
It is right there in front ofyou.
(27:26):
I think I had gotten that, maybeintellectually, before, but
it's literally right there infront of us.
And we've been taught to lookelsewhere too, and there's
nothing wrong with this.
I'm not saying there's anythingwrong with it, and I'm saying I
think that that we've beengypped because we've been taught
you meant to go to books, youmeant to go to um, you know
(27:49):
people who are more wise thanyou, and those things are really
good and we should.
And you don't have to jump anyhoops to connect.
You can connect to the sacredany moment of any day.
It's not just a man in the sky,it's not just a professor who's
written a book or whatever itis available to you any moment
(28:11):
of any day.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Absolutely.
I like that.
You talk about going direct andI envision that with when I'm
working with my crystals.
I just pick it up and it's likewhat's the vibration that I'm
getting from this?
Or if I'm working with theelementals and I want to talk to
the gnomes or whatever.
Or looking at a tree, and everymorning I love the sunrise and
it's always like.
Or looking at a tree, and everymorning I, you know, I love the
sunrise and it's always like,thank you, I just I love the
(28:36):
sunrise and the magic that thesunrise brings.
And you know, for those thatmight be new to going direct,
how can they begin to connectwith the sacred within?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So I would say in relation to nature, I'd just say
, literally, just notice nature,just in whatever small way you
can Say you're picking up yourkids from school, you're waiting
for them, there's a tree there.
Notice what season it is.
You'll probably knowintellectually what season it is
, but just notice, like, oh,there's little buds that are
(29:10):
forming there.
They've not bloomed yet.
Oh, they're quite tight.
Oh, they look a bit differentto what they did yesterday.
Oh, look how beautiful that is.
Oh, it's a little lady beetle.
Oh, it's so alive, you know.
And so you're noticing thesacred that's there, right?
Because when you do that,you're also you're in connection
(29:31):
with life itself.
That same intelligence thattells the flowers when to bloom,
the leaves to fall, when theseasons change, exists within
you too, and so we've been cutoff from that.
So that's a really, really,really simple way that you can
have that direct experience withthe sacred.
Another way is, in the same wayas like, just noticing the life
(29:54):
essence within a tree, within aplant, within the sunrise,
sunset, moon, whatever.
You can just look at yourselfin the mirror and just see if
you can, like you soften yourgaze and look at yourself, and
then there'll be like this shiftwhere you like are like oh, I
can see myself here, you can dothe same thing.
(30:15):
And you know I did this withwhen I first began working,
after my son and I'd come home,and I remember I think my
mother-in-law was visiting atthe time and it was lovely, like
I loved that she was there.
But I noticed that I wasfeeling a little bit like
jealous, that I didn't have likemy time with him because, like
everyone was around, you know,and, and then I had just started
(30:37):
work and stuff.
And I told my husband and he'slike so just take your baby,
like do whatever you want.
I'm like, oh yeah, and so wetook him and I was doing bath
time, anyway, like bath time washappening.
But I'm like no, I want, I wantto have this connection.
So we ended up turning it intolike a we would have a bath
together every night and wedon't do it every night now, but
(31:00):
it's still a thing that I dowith my son and, like when he
was a little baby, I would likesing him a little song and I'd
like look him in the eye, and ittook exactly the same amount of
time as if I was like doing thejob of bathing him, but I
turned it into a form ofconnection.
(31:21):
So, no matter how busy our lifeis, no matter what we're doing,
we can do that Same thing.
You take a strawberry, you'regoing to cut a strawberry up and
eat it.
I guarantee you, if you orderedthat strawberry and you didn't
know what a strawberry was andyou didn't know, it just grew
(31:41):
naturally and you put it in yourmouth, you'd be like oh my God,
is this made by a Michelin chef?
What?
It's available every moment forus.
We don't need to spend an hourmeditating to connect with it.
It's through the senses, it'sthrough the body, and that's the
(32:04):
other thing.
Particularly as women men too,but particularly as women we've
been told to disconnect from thesensual nature of life, from
the beauty.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, that's actually a very valid point that you
bring up, that we've been shamedto disconnect from that sensual
part of life and it's, you know, especially for women and how
society deals with that now, andI do feel like it's kind of
becoming a reawakening to kindof reconnect women back to that
sacred path of sensuality.
(32:36):
And it doesn't necessarily meanan orgasm, it could be just the
beauty in a strawberry.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Exactly, yeah yeah, like running your fingers across
material or smelling a rose.
You're just taking a secondmore.
It doesn't take long.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, you remind me, just yesterday in my day job I'm
a registered nurse, I run adoctor's office in my day job
and one of our staff members,she brought us in these
beautiful roses and it was justsuch a beautiful moment and I
sat there and I made a point tosmell it, I put, left it on my
desk and I'm just like, wow,what a beautiful little moment
(33:14):
to reconnect back to nature andthis busy doctor's office.
You know her to give us thatbeautiful gift.
It was so nice, so nice, sotrue.
So true, so you have a podcastreturning.
So what inspired your podcastreturning?
How does storytelling play arole in spiritual remembering
podcast returning?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
how does storytelling play a role in spiritual
remembering.
Well, I think why I wanted todo a podcast was um, at the time
when I created it.
It was in those years wherethere was just so much um, um,
reactivity on social media.
I was starting to really notenjoy social media and it felt
(33:58):
like I couldn't share my voicewith like nuance and share what
was actually true, becausemultiple things were true, and
it felt like I'm sure you findit as well like being able to
just speak or have conversations.
It was like you could just likesay what's happening rather
than be like I'm going to teachyou what I've learned, because
(34:23):
it's like we learn throughexperience and we're always
figuring things out along theway.
So that was really why I wanted, wanted that, that format, I
guess, the longer format andthen, um, as far as why,
returning?
So it's returning to the wisdomwithin.
It's just returning to yourself, coming back to yourself.
(34:45):
Coming back to yourself, yeah,I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So what have you learned about the importance of
spiritual community in thismodern moment?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Hmm, Good question.
Um, I would say that, um, it'sjust really important to be able
(35:18):
to show up where we are and howwe are and to have safe spaces
for us to be able to do that, um, without like someone giving
you an intuitive reading orfixing you or whatever, like
just to realize that, like, whenthings aren't working out, it's
not a bad thing.
It's not about like fixing eachother or healing each other.
It's just about like properlyliving, letting life open us and
(35:41):
expand us and initiate us andintegrate through it.
So I think that is the mostimportant thing when it comes to
spiritual community spiritualcommunity, people who can just
hold space for where you are,rather than try and help you be
some place that you're not quiteyet.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like that.
And for our final question, ifsomeone listening is awakening
but unsure of the next step,what soul, deep wisdom would you
offer as a golden thread tohold on to?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I would say that if you are experiencing an
awakening and I do believe thatthe awakening journey never ends
, but we can go through intenseperiods that there is an
intelligence to it, just likethere's an intelligence to birth
, there's an intelligence to theflowers opening to birth as an
intelligence to the flowersopening.
So, to trust in that and stayconnected to whatever it is that
(36:38):
you believe in you might callit grace, you might call it God,
you might call it soul, spirit,whatever light Just keep
connecting to that, because whenwe are opening which I think is
a form of awakening, awakeningisn't a form of that we're just
expanding, expanding, expanding.
(36:59):
We need to integrate it, andit's normal to you know it to be
like, as you go through aperiod of transformation, just
like the butterfly goes fromlike one state to another and
the bit in between it's justlike messy gunk.
From like one state to anotherand the bit in between it's just
like messy gunk, you know.
And so don't judge yourself.
(37:22):
If it's like this should betaking less time or I should be
getting this more, it's thetransformation, is the
integration period, and it's soimportant and it will.
You will get through it.
Just keep holding onto to graceif it's feeling a little scary.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Well, rebecca, I want to thank you so much for coming
to Spiritual Spotlight Series.
It's truly been amazing toconnect with you.
I remember your book the Lightis New Black, which I have right
over there.
Your Oracle Card Dex has trulybeen like.
I feel like you've been apartner in so many people's
awakening journey and I justwant to thank you so much for
offering your wisdom and yourgrace today.
Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Rachel, it's been just lovely talking with you.
Such good questions.
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