On today's show, we chat with Dr. Bradley Campbell and tackle the all-important quest for true health. As we sit down with this seasoned clinician, we unravel the dangers of quick-fix solutions and the vital need to excavate the root causes of our ailments.
Tune in to learn all about:
- Dr. Campbell's expertise on how educating patients takes precedence over fostering a reliance on fleeting medical fixes.
- How Dr. Cambell handles the challenging landscape of healthcare perspectives, with humor as a means to digest the tough pills of truth
- The intricate relationship between emotional stress and physical health
- The body's ways of signaling distress
- Practical methods to manage stress
- Blue light and healthy tech habits
As the caffeine in your cup gives you that familiar morning jolt, have you considered its hold on your daily routine? We reflect on the impacts of stress and everyday choices like our caffeine dependency and the water we drink. Through personal anecdotes and expert advice, we present actionable tips for a more balanced approach to health and vitality. Dr. Campbell leaves us with a powerful message – take the reins of your health education, for in knowledge lies the power to transform your well-being. Tune in and find the motivation to foster a life of independence and informed health choices.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you pull the fire alarm off of a burning
elementary school, all thosekids are gonna die.
But when you have aninflammatory issue that's coming
off, like you have eczemacoming out of your skin, if you
just like put some topicalsteroids on, some of those
people get topical steroidwithdrawal and then they have a
rash all over their whole body.
Other people goes away and thenthat rash goes internal because
(00:21):
you just pulled off the firealarm.
The fire is still raging insideof you and it's gonna attack
your liver and cause fatty liver.
It's gonna attack your gut andcause major gut issues.
Something bad is gonna happenif you just pull off all the
fire alarm.
So, rather than just pop thenext pill or go to CVS or
Walgreens or the pharmacy, askyourself where is this truly
(00:41):
coming from?
So I don't let all the kids die, I'm consistently making great
choices about food and I'm gonnahave myself food.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome back to the Way of the Primal man.
I have Dr Bradley Campbell hereand although we're within the
same suburban area, theChicagoland area, we're here on
Riverside and by the end of thisone we're gonna cement in that
true health is a journey.
It's not a quick fix.
(01:15):
It's about who you become inthe process.
Dr Bradley Campbell, thank youfor being here.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Thanks for having me on Chase, happy to always try to
inspire and empower some people, educate and inform them a
little bit in ways theyhopefully haven't heard before.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Absolutely, you know.
And then it's Sundays, right,is that?
Is my brain working correctly?
Sundays, you do a little bit offunny too, as well as education
.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, do some memes Always like to entertain people,
you know I mean that does wellon social media, but it's also
like stress relief for me andjust sometimes you can only say
the actual truth in memes or incomedy.
I was doing stand-up comedyclasses before the pandemic
started and the whole reason wasbecause I wanted to say things
that I wasn't allowed to say inmy office and I wasn't allowed
(02:02):
to say online.
But with a meme or withstand-up comedy you can get away
with a little bit more than anormal conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm so glad I asked about the memes, because now I
get to ask this question what'ssomething that that toes the
line, that that a belief youhave, or something that you
would want to say that somepeople might stand the hairs up
on some people?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, well, I did get deleted twice at 30,000 and
90,000 followers and then grewmy last account now to 360,000
and it's still there.
But the thing is, what usuallygot me deleted was either
telling people what I was seeingin clinical practice during the
pandemic that was what got meto lead the first time, what got
(02:46):
me to lead the second time andthat has been has gotten post
not my account to lead, but hasgotten the most like censoring
and delete.
Sense is this concept that theyprofit off your ignorance?
Right, and it's how a lot ofbusiness works.
But doctors, healthcare workersall of us, myself included,
(03:09):
profit off of my patientsignorance to some degree.
And when I educate them, that'staking them away from a doctor,
child or parent child typerelationship where the doctor is
the savior, into doseray.
Doctor means to teach, and thenthat becomes eventually the
patient becomes empowered afterthey've been taught, where then
(03:29):
you become more of like a coach,a guide, a shaman, a guru or
like an equal, where the patientis empowered and then they can
actually do the work themselves.
And in most of healthcare isnot prioritizing education, it
is prioritizing pharmaceutical,medical, industrial, political
(03:50):
complexes, money.
Unfortunately, it is a forprofit industry.
So, although my business is forprofit, I try to see people two,
three times and send them away.
Or, if they need more care,I'll see them like once a month
or so for maybe like a year, andthen I'm like you know, I think
I had to patient yesterday.
I saw on a Sunday and I waslike, hey, you know, you've come
(04:13):
to your max.
Like I've helped you as much asI can.
You need a new coach.
You need a new person Likeyou've been stagnant for the
last six months, like yours oranother.
I had actually two yesterday.
The second one I wasn't goingto talk about the second one had
stomach issues and she wasn'table to eat more than like 10
foods.
Now she can eat like 50, 60different foods.
She's slowly getting better butshe's seeing me because she
(04:35):
still thinks she needs to see me, but honestly, she's doing
better without me.
So I'm like you reallyshouldn't be here because it's
just wasting your money and yourtime to like drive an hour to
see me when I'm not doinganything new.
Like you're going to heal onyour own, you don't need me as
the crutch anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I love that.
Anybody that follows me andknows that it's my job.
With every client, I get tocoach myself out of a job.
So you know, I owned a brickand mortar fitness facility for
eight years and part of whatbecame misaligned there was,
like you know, you have overheadto cover.
You got to pay your team, yeah.
So like, please, please, stayand be a member and pay me
hundreds of dollars for thisboutique personal training
(05:15):
facility.
Yeah, I know you can go do thison your own, but I need to buy
groceries.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So super Right.
And I know there are times yeah, I mean there's times when it's
really good to have a coach ora personal trainer or someone
who like keeps you on task, likeI have patients that come in
weekly.
I have some that come inquarterly because they just like
coming in, they like gettingadjusted, they sort of like
people like exercising, theylike having someone like push
(05:42):
them a little bit harder.
So to me that makes sense.
But it's different if someone'slike looking for the savior or
looking for a trainer or a coachlong term.
But at least it's good torealize that the more you know,
the less you need them.
It becomes goes from like Ineed somebody to save me to like
I'm choosing this for myself.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, 100%.
I still have a personaltraining client who comes to my
house now three days a week Goodfriend now and she comes three
days a week and spend like three, four years now it's just.
It is one of those things likeyou're talking about.
What are some of the ways thatpeople can set themselves free
and start to take control oftheir own health?
(06:24):
If we're going to start pullingon those levers, where can
people start?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I think the main way that people can start
is by following accounts likeyours or like mine or any health
account that's giving way asmuch free information as
possible, and to be aware ofsome of the scam me people.
There are people who are tryingto sell you like super duper
(06:51):
expensive stuff, or more likeproducts or pills that are crazy
expensive, and telling youdon't have to change your
lifestyle at all, like when I'mlooking at your contents like no
, you got to put in the work,you got to put in some time, do
some exercise.
There might be some simplehacks here and there, but a lot
of people and influencers andeducators are kind of subtly
(07:12):
telling people like hey, if youjust buy this $100, $500, $5,000
device, you won't really haveto sleep as much.
It's like no, you still need tosleep, you still need some
exercise, still need some goodfood.
It really makes all thedifference.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean talking about sleep.
You know, I was listening to apodcast with Joe Dispenza
yesterday and he's like yeah, Igot up at 430 and did my
meditation and the host askedwell, when did you go to sleep?
He's like oh, like, 1111, 30,.
Like Joe, come on man.
Like imagine how much morepowerful.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I know I get like.
I know it's nuts.
There are people who like pridethemselves on their ability to
just be a workaholic, I think,and like the grind hustle
culture was really big.
I liked a lot of GaryVaynerchuk stuff and he taught
me how to do social media andlike all this stuff and that was
great.
But he even he says like hestill gets at least six hours
(08:10):
and does a lot better with eighthours of sleep every night, and
so if you really get down to it, most people need at least
seven, eight hours.
As a doctor, I find anythingunder seven.
They're usually functioning ifthey have high testosterone,
good hormone health, but it'sgoing to plead them over time.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I mean, I was in the Navy for four years and a
good night of sleep that I'dsalivated over was six hours,
and so now I take my sleep veryseriously now.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Wow, where a lot of people getting like burnt out of
the Navy if they were gettingthat little sleep.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean, have you?
If you look at the, the numbersof suicides that have went up
in the military in the last 20years, I mean mental health is
trash.
I mean my anger was off thecharts.
My, my hormone health at, youknow, early 20s was not nearly
as good as it is now at 35.
So yeah, it's, you know they.
(09:07):
You're a tool for Uncle Sam andI worked in the engine rooms
and we needed to keep that shiprunning.
So wow.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, thank you for your service.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I want to call back what we were talking about
earlier real quick.
Talking about you know, more ofa savior role in doctors or
coaches or therapists orwhatever.
You know we're trying to keeppeople there and the root of my
work without going too deepbecause the show is about you
today I helped to spell thevictim mentality and you know
(09:39):
any victim needs a rescuer.
But, dr Campbell, what?
What does any rescuer need?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
They need a victim.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They need like a prince or a princess to go save.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, so it's a classic Disney movie.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's still a sneaky form of the victim
mentality of needing thatvalidation because you're oh,
I'm helping them, so I'm, I'mdoing something.
It's why just drive this pointhome.
It's very cool to have otherindividuals, to see individuals
out there knowledgeable healthpractitioners like yourself,
like I, want to set people free.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, that's the ultimate goal is like to give
them freedom.
It's what you want for yourchildren to.
It's like at first you're like,oh, you're like an infant, I
have to take care of you.
Like you don't know anything.
And sometimes I get newpatients.
I'm like you don't even knowwhat gluten is.
You don't know what sugar, likewhat sugar If it's in fruit, if
it's in juice, like what's thedifference?
So when I get new people,that's when I have a lot of
educational videos and I'm justteaching them a lot.
(10:41):
But the eventual goal is to getthem to know enough where they
can be free and kind of what youwere saying.
We're like the savior complex.
A lot of people, when they comein, one of my secrets, besides
just listening until they stoptalking, like most doctors
interrupt after about 11 seconds.
But I just listen, I say mm-hmm, okay, what else?
What else do you have?
(11:02):
And then I'll like save myquestions for you know, usually
20 to 40 minutes in afterthey've stopped talking, whereas
most doctors are like 10minutes.
So I let the patient actuallytalk.
And then the other secret isthat I ask them why they think
they have that issue, likethey're coming in for one or a
couple of issues I'm like well,where do you think it all went
wrong?
And rarely have any of themdone any sort of introspection
(11:26):
to say like, oh, I never reallythought about, like why I was
having this.
I was just coming in because Ihad this problem and I'd say,
over half the time peopleactually know why they are
unwell and they haven't evenstopped to ask.
So, like I always like toremind people, like, at the end
of the day not always, but oftenyou have those answers deep
(11:47):
within yourself.
If you self reflect for acouple hours without screen time
, just like take a walk innature, disconnect a little bit
and reconnect to yourself, youcan often find what you need to
do.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Just might drop that right there.
It's like that's it right there.
Everybody's trying to.
A lot of people out here tryingto push answers when
everybody's answer might be alittle different for each person
.
And talking about, I want topick your brain on this or get
your thoughts.
(12:23):
I've heard a phrase toss around.
I think it was.
You know, old civilizations orpeople who still live like off
the land will use that.
The symptom is sacred.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And I'm interested in your thoughts on that.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I took over a medical practicefrom Dr Peter Van Hul, who's
Belgian and he moves back toBelgium, but he was always gonna
write his book.
He never wrote his book, so Iended up writing it for him and
focusing on Adrenal andtestosterone health.
(12:56):
But his book was basicallygoing to be on how important it
is to value and appreciate thesymptoms of the illness and how
our body is communicating to uswith the symptoms.
So, rather than trying to getrid of the symptoms as fast as
possible, it's saying what isthis?
(13:18):
Where is it coming from?
What is it telling me?
And people don't really thinkthat way.
We're thought to just suppress,numb block like numb it with
alcohol, energize with caffeine.
We're taught to just like avoidthe deeper issue.
And oftentimes the deeper issueis either emotional stress or
(13:38):
our own poor choices andlifestyle habits which we don't
really wanna look at.
But you gotta focus on, justlike, the basics of health.
But when you cover up a symptomwith Tylenol or ibuprofen or
acid blocker or you look at yourhigh cholesterol and you cover
it up with a statin, that'sprobably the worst advice I
could give a patient is just tolike stop the symptom before
(14:00):
they've figured it out.
Because if you pull the firealarm off of a burning
elementary school, all thosekids are gonna die.
But when you have aninflammatory issue that's coming
off like you have eczema comingout of your skin, if you just
like put some topical steroidson it, some of those people get
topical steroid withdrawal andthen they have a rash all over
their whole body.
Other people it goes away andthen that rash goes internal
(14:22):
because you just pulled off thefire alarm.
The fire is still raging insideof you and it's gonna attack
your liver and cause fat Liveris gonna attack your gut and
cause major gut issues.
Something bad is gonna happenif you just pull off all the
fire alarm.
So, rather than just pop thenext pill or go to CVS or
Walgreens or the pharmacy, askyourself where is this truly
(14:42):
coming from?
So I don't let all the kids die.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's.
People that know me know that Ilove a good analogy and that
I've created a bunch and thatanalogy right there is
world-class.
Good sir, that's awesome, thankyou.
And you talked about emotionalstress being at the root of some
of this.
I remember when I was in eighthgrade I got a attack of
(15:09):
shingles and then my mom foundout that there was a science
project I didn't do that was dothe next day.
She's like oh well, maybe thesetwo are connected a little bit.
And how do you help?
What are your suggestions forpeople if they come in and
you're like wow, there might besome emotional stuff behind this
or you might be carrying somestress through.
That's up regulating yournervous system.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, there's really a lot of stuff on my.
I actually just taught aretreat that was all about like
how to clear your ownsubconscious stress and pinned
on my, so I have that saved aslike videos you can watch later
for people in online membership.
But on my Instagram there's abunch of free stress ideas.
There's literally, I think like20, 30 different things you can
(15:53):
do just for like stress,whether it's meditation
journaling is a big onegratitude practice, watching the
sunrise, getting into nature,doing some breath work,
affirmations, time in nature,yoga, cold plunges, saunas,
vegas nerve exercise, chanting,dancing, singing, laughing,
playing with pets, like.
There's tons of things you cando for yourself or practitioners
you can go to to help manage it, and the biggest theme is that
(16:18):
you have to feel it to heal it.
So a lot of people are usingtheir phones as some type of
like dopamine distraction device.
We used to just poisonourselves with alcohol or we
used to give ourselves uppers,whether it's like Adderall or
cocaine or caffeine, people werejust upping themselves to kind
(16:39):
of like push past all thediscomfort that's keeping them
tired.
But if we actually just giveourselves five minutes, like I
have people in the retreat dothis or you can do it at home,
just like put on a sad song orput on like your emo song from
high school or put on some likereally sad opera.
I really like this one, lentoIlargo.
It's called Symphony of Sorrows, and there's some videos on
(17:03):
YouTube that are great with likesome really sad music.
But you put on a spike Gureki,but you put on like a really sad
song and just let yourself besad.
Or if you have this like angerput on like an angry rage
Metallica song or something, letyourself be angry, feel it for
two to five minutes, just let itbe with it until it releases or
until it starts to dissipate,like ride the tsunami wave and
(17:26):
then it eventually will let go.
And then you like play anothersong and give yourself a couple
of minutes to like either justrelax and like let it go or do
the exact opposite.
So go from anger to peace, gofrom fear to safety, or go from
hate to love or forgiveness oracceptance.
So I think a lot of people justaren't giving themselves enough
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space to feel the deeper levelof what's going on and then let
it go.
But it really is as simple asthat.
That's really what happens intherapy.
It's what happens in traumatherapy, regular therapy, pretty
much all retreats I've been to.
It's just people feeling theirstuff.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So it's a lot of the work I do and you talk about
journaling and breath, and it'sa lot of the tools that I use
with my clients is writing stuffdown and feeling it fully.
You know Joseph Campbell saidany feeling felt fully is bliss,
and that's powerful.
Talking about the phone, haveyou seen and I may be off on
(18:27):
this, I'm quite sure I've seenthat blu-light interrupts our
natural physiological sigh andour breathing patterns?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Interesting.
Yeah, I know it's definitelynot good right before, or better
like after sundown.
It's definitely messing withpeople's circuitarums and their
sleep and their energy and theirmood.
But that's fascinating thatblu-light will interrupt the
relaxation response, but it doesmake sense.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, and it may be the story mechanism of being
engrossed in the phone that doesthat.
And I mean, what is that doingto anxiety levels if somebody's
breath is trapped in their chestand is so tight and you're just
diving into other people'sstories and getting caught in
this comparison trap?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean you gotta be more mindful, like
notice how your posture changeswhen you're on your phone.
Most of the time people are noton their phone like with their
arms back.
They're not like laying back intheir bed my headphones are
even falling off.
They're not laying back intheir bed, they're bent over
hunch, which is a stress type ofstate, like if you were to lean
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over, look down at the ground,put your head between your legs.
You're probably not gonna feelrelaxed, calm, positive,
confident.
If you walk and talk like asuperhero or a Superman or
you're looking far into thedistance or up at the sky,
you're gonna calm yourself down.
So from a functional neurologystandpoint, one of the things I
trained in, looking closeactivates the sympathetic
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nervous system.
So looking far away is a lotbetter.
So I even tell people like, ifyou're gonna watch videos,
podcasts et cetera, put it onyour TV and sit across the room,
because it's not gonna stressyou out as much as watching it
like on the couch with the phonein your hand.
So just like the nearness ofthe screen itself is already
pretty bad for your body.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
That's a new nugget for me.
I love that.
I'll be relaying that to mypeople.
And talking about posture Ibelieve it's the most watched
TED talk Amy Cuddy talking abouthow posture can influence our
physiology.
She talks about in thereputting your feet up on your
(20:34):
desk and hands behind your headand kicking back for two minutes
, decreasing cortisol andincreasing testosterone.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh yeah, totally.
It's like magic.
You really can change yourbeliefs, the way you feel, just
from a quick posture check.
And so if people pay attentionto like what's your posture like
and what's your breath likewhile you're on the phone, it's
really important.
If you're belly breathing whileyou're on your phone,
congratulations.
But most of you probably aren't.
So just pay attention to thenext couple of days and say like
(21:05):
who am I on my phone?
Am I chest breathing?
Is my neck breathing?
Is my chest going up and downor does my belly come deep from
my pelvic floor?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, and to tie this into something you mentioned
earlier, the gut health.
If our posture's poor and we'rein a more stressed state and
our gut's inconsistent, we're atlike a one or a seven in the
Bristol stool chart, as opposedto a nice clean four, I mean a
lot of people are gonna go to Ineed a probiotic, I need a
(21:36):
prebiotic, I need to eat somekimchi, and is it possible that
that stress state and thatbreathing could have something
to do with that too?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
100%.
Yeah, the way you breathe isactually one of the biggest
drivers of a sympatheticactivation, which means a
stressed out state, fight,flight, freeze and fawn.
So when you get into thatpupper sympathetic state your
gut slows down, you don'tsecrete as much digestive acid
or enzymes and things just don'twork.
(22:08):
And so most of the time I getpeople that take some deep, like
Buddha belly breaths or justbelly breaths before they eat,
do a little prayer or intentionor gratitude before they eat,
and a lot of times the heartburngoes away.
If they chew their food 20, 30times and do that practice,
heartburn diminishes or goesaway and their poops start to
regulate.
I also give them to sit on thetoilet after each meal if they
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can't poop, and that actually isa great like training for the
nervous system.
The gastrocolic reflex isbasically stomach to colon.
Where you eat you poop eat youpoop.
Dogs do it, babies do it,humans, adults should do it too,
but we're just too stressed todo it.
But if you have really goodposture it calms your body down.
You actually just make morespace for your belly.
(22:50):
Anyways, a lot of people aresort of like protecting your
belly by hunching their lowerback forward.
But if you kind of arch and sityour lower back up more
straight, you're gonna just givemore space for things to even
move physically through yourintestines.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Have you seen stored stress and how can that play on
like the soft tissue andmobility, so to speak?
Like somebody's trying to doCrossFit and do an overhead
squat and they you know how'sthat gonna work.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's not gonna work well if they're stressed, trying
to have lots of mobility.
I mean, the first thing yourbody does when it gets into
stress state is restrict bloodflow to your extremities.
Some people get cold hands andfeet when they're in a stress
state.
So like sweaty palms or coldhands, feet is one of the
classic signs of that, and somepeople will say, well, that's
actually like an adrenal or athyroid, if you see, or not
(23:43):
enough blood.
But the reason why those thingsexist is often because of
stress.
And so I think you know, whenpeople do get into stress state,
things contract, things tighten, you use up all your magnesium
and your electrolytes andminerals get peed out in a
stress state.
So that's why a lot of peopletake magnesium and they're like,
(24:05):
oh, my muscles aren't as tense.
Like, well, if you weren'thaving tons of caffeine or if
you weren't super stressed out,if you were resting and sleeping
enough, you wouldn't need themagnesium for the rest of your
life.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Do you use caffeine?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Sparingly.
My joke is don't do your drugsevery day, do them with a
purpose.
So from time to time I'll usecaffeine.
If you know, I'm driving lateat night and I'm going to die.
Driving tired is worse thandriving drunk, statistically, so
I'll use it for that.
I try not to use caffeine oftenbut I'll have some dark
chocolate, some green tea.
Occasionally I'll have caffeine.
(24:41):
But my system is not like mostpeople's.
I have a super fast metabolism.
That's like 3,000 calories ofBMR a day.
So if I don't eat I lose weightvery quickly if I don't have
intermittent fasting.
So I'm a little differentbecause my metabolism is faster.
Most people it's a littleslower, but for me caffeine
makes me go like super high andthen crash really hard because
(25:02):
I'm already pretty high as is.
So if I have caffeine I'm justlike two up already.
But for most people my bigthing is I just don't want them
to be dependent on the caffeine.
If they feel like they need it,that's a yellow or red flag for
me.
So it's okay, I think, if youwait a couple hours after you
get up, if you eat first andthen have the caffeine.
But if you're dependent on it,like waking out of bed and
(25:24):
you're groggy and tired andgrumpy and feeling a little lazy
.
And you had the caffeine.
Now you're fine.
That means that you need that,and that, for me, is not ideal.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, that's still a substance dependency thing.
I remember when I was drinkinga lot of coffee, I walked into a
local coffee shop and there's aline of like eight people and I
have to get back to the gym torun another class and I'm like
tapping my foot and in thatmoment it hit me like a wave of
clarity.
I'm like, nope, I'm done withcoffee for a bit and I turn
around and walk back out.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'm good.
That's amazing.
I mean, most people wouldprobably see, like, notice that
they're like, well, I'm going tokeep doing it for a while and
then you kind of give up.
But the fact that you actuallychanged in that moment means
your identity is like somebodywho doesn't want to be dependent
on a substance, which iscrucial.
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I think our society doesn'tpreach that as a positive.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, no, we glorify nightly.
We glorify night caps or coffee, or mommy needs her wine, or
whatever.
It be yeah for sure.
Have you heard of parazanthin?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I don't think so what is that on?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
parazanthin.
Yeah, so para x parazanthin,it's a natural metabolite of
caffeine that they've isolatedand they're using like energy
drinks or parazanthin coffee,and it doesn't hammer on the
adenosine receptors, so itdoesn't actually negatively
(27:02):
affect the circadian rhythm.
I'd be interested, because Isee your curiosity kind of peak
and I'd be interested yourthoughts on it if you take a
look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, you'd mention Interesting, for sure.
I think I had heard that acouple of months back.
It looks like it's another formof methylxanthin.
It's just good wine, but yeah,it could be less reactive for a
lot of people if they need it.
And, yeah, definitely a nicealternative option.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, you know, and, like you said, if people are
going up hard and crashing hardand something that's smoother
and that, like hey, if you'regoing to be drinking in the
afternoon, at least you cansleep better.
You had mentioned, okay, I'ddrink magnesium, this and get
our minerals in.
And I know one thing that youtalk about often is quality
(27:57):
water and how crucial is it tostay away from tap water these
days.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know, I think, big picture perspective, we're
just blessed to be able to haveenough water, even like city
water.
The problem compared to othersocieties, right like third
world countries.
But the problem is that oursupposedly clean water is often
loaded with carcinogens.
So if you go to the EWGEnvironmental Working Grouporg,
(28:33):
they have a lot of resourceswhere you can look up the tap
water near you and see what's init, and almost always there's
at least four or five, if nottwenty, thirty, different
carcinogens.
There's usually things that areendocrine disruptors which mess
with your hormones and yourthyroid health.
That tugs on your testosteroneand your adrenals, and so a lot
of people are thinking they'redoing a great job by like, oh,
(28:53):
I'm drinking more water.
The problem is that might beaffecting fertility, it could be
affecting even your libido, itcould be affecting your sleep
and it could be causing someimmune system or even tumors
Like immune systems or tumorslong term.
So I think we can't avoid allthe toxins.
But you can get a cheap filterfor a couple hundred bucks and
(29:15):
it's like why not spend that?
It's definitely better thandoing plastic water.
So if you're going to getbottled water, you can also find
a local spring.
There's some websites to findlocal springs near you and most
of America.
You can find one within abouthalf hour or an hour drive.
So you get like big glass jugsand go fill them up, which is
cheaper.
If you have the time, you canget it delivered in like spring
(29:36):
water in glass bottles, or youcan get a really good quality
filter to just filter out thetap water and get rid of a lot
of that junk that you can't see.
One of the biggest lies inhealthcare is that just because
you feel fine or you don't havesymptoms means you're healthy.
But usually you talk to thosepeople and they're like well, I
feel fine, but I need caffeineto get up and I need my nightcap
(29:57):
to go to sleep and I have likefive warts on my toes and I have
like Jock Itch and anytime Idrink sugar my scalp itches and
I can't poop more than liketwice a week and I'm bleeding
out my butt from this hemorrhoid.
You're like well, you're notreally that healthy, are you?
Like you've gotten used to howyou feel, but that doesn't mean
you're very healthy.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I believe it was Joe Rogan who I heard say is
it really asymptomatic, covid,or do people not realize how
poorly they feel all the time?
Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, Ipromise we'd keep this one
punchy.
If there's one takeaway for thelisteners to take and run with
(30:46):
from this episode, what wouldyou like it to be?
One nugget.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I would one big nugget.
I always there's like four orfive.
I like to give a lot.
My favorite one is this time Ihad a dying patient who had ALS,
lou Gehrysus or amutrophiclateral sclerosis.
Basically, the nerve musclejunction just kind of
deteriorates.
You lose muscle function.
It's a debilitating geneticdisease and within a few years
(31:13):
you pass away.
So for him he was an amazingdude in his 40s with kids.
He was like a counselor, helpedthousands of kids get educated
on ADHD in ways that they couldmanage ADHD naturally and better
with lifestyle and modificationstuff and wrote a book, just
like a super, super aware, supermindful, great soul.
(31:37):
But for him when he becamediagnosed, life got better, not
worse.
I've also seen it in my auntwho had pancreatic cancer not
for two months like they said,but for 15 years.
She had pancreatic cancer whichwas nuts, and for her like and
him post diagnosis, life becamebetter and what I see in those
(31:58):
patients is what he summarizedand he said the meaning of life
became very clear and it wasonly two things.
He said life was about love, abalance of love and time.
And he said time without loveis a prison and love without
time is a tragedy.
So what we really want to do isthink about how much time we
(32:24):
have today, this year, in ourlife.
What do you love?
How much do you love yourself,and act accordingly?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right there.
I know there's people listeningto this that have read the
intro to my book that I'mworking on and they're like, oh,
oh, OK, this is why we're hereon this episode right now.
That was beautifullyarticulated.
I'm right there with all ofthat.
Thank you for sharing.
Where can the people find youand what do you have that they
(32:57):
ought to know about?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, probably go to drbradleycamble
camblelikethesoupcom.
Drbradleycamblecom or onInstagram, dr Bradley Campbell.
I got a book called Do I haveAdrenal Fatigue.
For people who are into bookson Amazon, that's a good one.
And I got a couple ofmembership options where we have
weekly calls on the full one orI just answer questions and
(33:22):
there's tons of hours of contentof health education.
People who want to dive alittle bit deeper.
If I say first step, go followme on some of the social
channels.
I got my own podcast on YouTubeas well.
People can check out and seewhat resonates, get some laughs
in on the Sunday funnies.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yes, yeah, I love those.
Those are great.
Dr Bradley Campbell, thank youso much for being here.
I appreciate your time.
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Thanks, jace, and yeah, for everyone listening.
Be smart, don't be stupid.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
In guiding me to that discovery.
Get after it.
If you pull the fire alarm off of a burning
elementary school, all thosekids are gonna die.
But when you have aninflammatory issue that's coming
off, like you have eczemacoming out of your skin, if you
just like put some topicalsteroids on, some of those
people get topical steroidwithdrawal and then they have a
rash all over their whole body.
Other people goes away and thenthat rash goes internal because
(00:21):
you just pulled off the firealarm.
The fire is still raging insideof you and it's gonna attack
your liver and cause fatty liver.
It's gonna attack your gut andcause major gut issues.
Something bad is gonna happenif you just pull off all the
fire alarm.
So, rather than just pop thenext pill or go to CVS or
Walgreens or the pharmacy, askyourself where is this truly
(00:41):
coming from?
So I don't let all the kids die, I'm consistently making great
choices about food and I'm gonnahave myself food.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome back to the Way of the Primal man.
I have Dr Bradley Campbell hereand although we're within the
same suburban area, theChicagoland area, we're here on
Riverside and by the end of thisone we're gonna cement in that
true health is a journey.
It's not a quick fix.
(01:15):
It's about who you become inthe process.
Dr Bradley Campbell, thank youfor being here.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Thanks for having me on Chase, happy to always try to
inspire and empower some people, educate and inform them a
little bit in ways theyhopefully haven't heard before.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Absolutely, you know.
And then it's Sundays, right,is that?
Is my brain working correctly?
Sundays, you do a little bit offunny too, as well as education
.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, do some memes Always like to entertain people,
you know I mean that does wellon social media, but it's also
like stress relief for me andjust sometimes you can only say
the actual truth in memes or incomedy.
I was doing stand-up comedyclasses before the pandemic
started and the whole reason wasbecause I wanted to say things
that I wasn't allowed to say inmy office and I wasn't allowed
(02:02):
to say online.
But with a meme or withstand-up comedy you can get away
with a little bit more than anormal conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm so glad I asked about the memes, because now I
get to ask this question what'ssomething that that toes the
line, that that a belief youhave, or something that you
would want to say that somepeople might stand the hairs up
on some people?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, well, I did get deleted twice at 30,000 and
90,000 followers and then grewmy last account now to 360,000
and it's still there.
But the thing is, what usuallygot me deleted was either
telling people what I was seeingin clinical practice during the
pandemic that was what got meto lead the first time, what got
(02:46):
me to lead the second time andthat has been has gotten post
not my account to lead, but hasgotten the most like censoring
and delete.
Sense is this concept that theyprofit off your ignorance?
Right, and it's how a lot ofbusiness works.
But doctors, healthcare workersall of us, myself included,
(03:09):
profit off of my patientsignorance to some degree.
And when I educate them, that'staking them away from a doctor,
child or parent child typerelationship where the doctor is
the savior, into doseray.
Doctor means to teach, and thenthat becomes eventually the
patient becomes empowered afterthey've been taught, where then
(03:29):
you become more of like a coach,a guide, a shaman, a guru or
like an equal, where the patientis empowered and then they can
actually do the work themselves.
And in most of healthcare isnot prioritizing education, it
is prioritizing pharmaceutical,medical, industrial, political
(03:50):
complexes, money.
Unfortunately, it is a forprofit industry.
So, although my business is forprofit, I try to see people two,
three times and send them away.
Or, if they need more care,I'll see them like once a month
or so for maybe like a year, andthen I'm like you know, I think
I had to patient yesterday.
I saw on a Sunday and I waslike, hey, you know, you've come
(04:13):
to your max.
Like I've helped you as much asI can.
You need a new coach.
You need a new person Likeyou've been stagnant for the
last six months, like yours oranother.
I had actually two yesterday.
The second one I wasn't goingto talk about the second one had
stomach issues and she wasn'table to eat more than like 10
foods.
Now she can eat like 50, 60different foods.
She's slowly getting better butshe's seeing me because she
(04:35):
still thinks she needs to see me, but honestly, she's doing
better without me.
So I'm like you reallyshouldn't be here because it's
just wasting your money and yourtime to like drive an hour to
see me when I'm not doinganything new.
Like you're going to heal onyour own, you don't need me as
the crutch anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I love that.
Anybody that follows me andknows that it's my job.
With every client, I get tocoach myself out of a job.
So you know, I owned a brickand mortar fitness facility for
eight years and part of whatbecame misaligned there was,
like you know, you have overheadto cover.
You got to pay your team, yeah.
So like, please, please, stayand be a member and pay me
hundreds of dollars for thisboutique personal training
(05:15):
facility.
Yeah, I know you can go do thison your own, but I need to buy
groceries.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So super Right.
And I know there are times yeah, I mean there's times when it's
really good to have a coach ora personal trainer or someone
who like keeps you on task, likeI have patients that come in
weekly.
I have some that come inquarterly because they just like
coming in, they like gettingadjusted, they sort of like
people like exercising, theylike having someone like push
(05:42):
them a little bit harder.
So to me that makes sense.
But it's different if someone'slike looking for the savior or
looking for a trainer or a coachlong term.
But at least it's good torealize that the more you know,
the less you need them.
It becomes goes from like Ineed somebody to save me to like
I'm choosing this for myself.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, 100%.
I still have a personaltraining client who comes to my
house now three days a week Goodfriend now and she comes three
days a week and spend like three, four years now it's just.
It is one of those things likeyou're talking about.
What are some of the ways thatpeople can set themselves free
and start to take control oftheir own health?
(06:24):
If we're going to start pullingon those levers, where can
people start?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I think the main way that people can start
is by following accounts likeyours or like mine or any health
account that's giving way asmuch free information as
possible, and to be aware ofsome of the scam me people.
There are people who are tryingto sell you like super duper
(06:51):
expensive stuff, or more likeproducts or pills that are crazy
expensive, and telling youdon't have to change your
lifestyle at all, like when I'mlooking at your contents like no
, you got to put in the work,you got to put in some time, do
some exercise.
There might be some simplehacks here and there, but a lot
of people and influencers andeducators are kind of subtly
(07:12):
telling people like hey, if youjust buy this $100, $500, $5,000
device, you won't really haveto sleep as much.
It's like no, you still need tosleep, you still need some
exercise, still need some goodfood.
It really makes all thedifference.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean talking about sleep.
You know, I was listening to apodcast with Joe Dispenza
yesterday and he's like yeah, Igot up at 430 and did my
meditation and the host askedwell, when did you go to sleep?
He's like oh, like, 1111, 30,.
Like Joe, come on man.
Like imagine how much morepowerful.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I know I get like.
I know it's nuts.
There are people who like pridethemselves on their ability to
just be a workaholic, I think,and like the grind hustle
culture was really big.
I liked a lot of GaryVaynerchuk stuff and he taught
me how to do social media andlike all this stuff and that was
great.
But he even he says like hestill gets at least six hours
(08:10):
and does a lot better with eighthours of sleep every night, and
so if you really get down to it, most people need at least
seven, eight hours.
As a doctor, I find anythingunder seven.
They're usually functioning ifthey have high testosterone,
good hormone health, but it'sgoing to plead them over time.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I mean, I was in the Navy for four years and a
good night of sleep that I'dsalivated over was six hours,
and so now I take my sleep veryseriously now.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Wow, where a lot of people getting like burnt out of
the Navy if they were gettingthat little sleep.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean, have you?
If you look at the, the numbersof suicides that have went up
in the military in the last 20years, I mean mental health is
trash.
I mean my anger was off thecharts.
My, my hormone health at, youknow, early 20s was not nearly
as good as it is now at 35.
So yeah, it's, you know they.
(09:07):
You're a tool for Uncle Sam andI worked in the engine rooms
and we needed to keep that shiprunning.
So wow.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, thank you for your service.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I want to call back what we were talking about
earlier real quick.
Talking about you know, more ofa savior role in doctors or
coaches or therapists orwhatever.
You know we're trying to keeppeople there and the root of my
work without going too deepbecause the show is about you
today I helped to spell thevictim mentality and you know
(09:39):
any victim needs a rescuer.
But, dr Campbell, what?
What does any rescuer need?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
They need a victim.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They need like a prince or a princess to go save.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, so it's a classic Disney movie.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's still a sneaky form of the victim
mentality of needing thatvalidation because you're oh,
I'm helping them, so I'm, I'mdoing something.
It's why just drive this pointhome.
It's very cool to have otherindividuals, to see individuals
out there knowledgeable healthpractitioners like yourself,
like I, want to set people free.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, that's the ultimate goal is like to give
them freedom.
It's what you want for yourchildren to.
It's like at first you're like,oh, you're like an infant, I
have to take care of you.
Like you don't know anything.
And sometimes I get newpatients.
I'm like you don't even knowwhat gluten is.
You don't know what sugar, likewhat sugar If it's in fruit, if
it's in juice, like what's thedifference?
So when I get new people,that's when I have a lot of
educational videos and I'm justteaching them a lot.
(10:41):
But the eventual goal is to getthem to know enough where they
can be free and kind of what youwere saying.
We're like the savior complex.
A lot of people, when they comein, one of my secrets, besides
just listening until they stoptalking, like most doctors
interrupt after about 11 seconds.
But I just listen, I say mm-hmm, okay, what else?
What else do you have?
(11:02):
And then I'll like save myquestions for you know, usually
20 to 40 minutes in afterthey've stopped talking, whereas
most doctors are like 10minutes.
So I let the patient actuallytalk.
And then the other secret isthat I ask them why they think
they have that issue, likethey're coming in for one or a
couple of issues I'm like well,where do you think it all went
wrong?
And rarely have any of themdone any sort of introspection
(11:26):
to say like, oh, I never reallythought about, like why I was
having this.
I was just coming in because Ihad this problem and I'd say,
over half the time peopleactually know why they are
unwell and they haven't evenstopped to ask.
So, like I always like toremind people, like, at the end
of the day not always, but oftenyou have those answers deep
(11:47):
within yourself.
If you self reflect for acouple hours without screen time
, just like take a walk innature, disconnect a little bit
and reconnect to yourself, youcan often find what you need to
do.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Just might drop that right there.
It's like that's it right there.
Everybody's trying to.
A lot of people out here tryingto push answers when
everybody's answer might be alittle different for each person
.
And talking about, I want topick your brain on this or get
your thoughts.
(12:23):
I've heard a phrase toss around.
I think it was.
You know, old civilizations orpeople who still live like off
the land will use that.
The symptom is sacred.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And I'm interested in your thoughts on that.
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I took over a medical practicefrom Dr Peter Van Hul, who's
Belgian and he moves back toBelgium, but he was always gonna
write his book.
He never wrote his book, so Iended up writing it for him and
focusing on Adrenal andtestosterone health.
(12:56):
But his book was basicallygoing to be on how important it
is to value and appreciate thesymptoms of the illness and how
our body is communicating to uswith the symptoms.
So, rather than trying to getrid of the symptoms as fast as
possible, it's saying what isthis?
(13:18):
Where is it coming from?
What is it telling me?
And people don't really thinkthat way.
We're thought to just suppress,numb block like numb it with
alcohol, energize with caffeine.
We're taught to just like avoidthe deeper issue.
And oftentimes the deeper issueis either emotional stress or
(13:38):
our own poor choices andlifestyle habits which we don't
really wanna look at.
But you gotta focus on, justlike, the basics of health.
But when you cover up a symptomwith Tylenol or ibuprofen or
acid blocker or you look at yourhigh cholesterol and you cover
it up with a statin, that'sprobably the worst advice I
could give a patient is just tolike stop the symptom before
(14:00):
they've figured it out.
Because if you pull the firealarm off of a burning
elementary school, all thosekids are gonna die.
But when you have aninflammatory issue that's coming
off like you have eczema comingout of your skin, if you just
like put some topical steroidson it, some of those people get
topical steroid withdrawal andthen they have a rash all over
their whole body.
Other people it goes away andthen that rash goes internal
(14:22):
because you just pulled off thefire alarm.
The fire is still raging insideof you and it's gonna attack
your liver and cause fat Liveris gonna attack your gut and
cause major gut issues.
Something bad is gonna happenif you just pull off all the
fire alarm.
So, rather than just pop thenext pill or go to CVS or
Walgreens or the pharmacy, askyourself where is this truly
(14:42):
coming from?
So I don't let all the kids die.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's.
People that know me know that Ilove a good analogy and that
I've created a bunch and thatanalogy right there is
world-class.
Good sir, that's awesome, thankyou.
And you talked about emotionalstress being at the root of some
of this.
I remember when I was in eighthgrade I got a attack of
(15:09):
shingles and then my mom foundout that there was a science
project I didn't do that was dothe next day.
She's like oh well, maybe thesetwo are connected a little bit.
And how do you help?
What are your suggestions forpeople if they come in and
you're like wow, there might besome emotional stuff behind this
or you might be carrying somestress through.
That's up regulating yournervous system.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, there's really a lot of stuff on my.
I actually just taught aretreat that was all about like
how to clear your ownsubconscious stress and pinned
on my, so I have that saved aslike videos you can watch later
for people in online membership.
But on my Instagram there's abunch of free stress ideas.
There's literally, I think like20, 30 different things you can
(15:53):
do just for like stress,whether it's meditation
journaling is a big onegratitude practice, watching the
sunrise, getting into nature,doing some breath work,
affirmations, time in nature,yoga, cold plunges, saunas,
vegas nerve exercise, chanting,dancing, singing, laughing,
playing with pets, like.
There's tons of things you cando for yourself or practitioners
you can go to to help manage it, and the biggest theme is that
(16:18):
you have to feel it to heal it.
So a lot of people are usingtheir phones as some type of
like dopamine distraction device.
We used to just poisonourselves with alcohol or we
used to give ourselves uppers,whether it's like Adderall or
cocaine or caffeine, people werejust upping themselves to kind
(16:39):
of like push past all thediscomfort that's keeping them
tired.
But if we actually just giveourselves five minutes, like I
have people in the retreat dothis or you can do it at home,
just like put on a sad song orput on like your emo song from
high school or put on some likereally sad opera.
I really like this one, lentoIlargo.
It's called Symphony of Sorrows, and there's some videos on
(17:03):
YouTube that are great with likesome really sad music.
But you put on a spike Gureki,but you put on like a really sad
song and just let yourself besad.
Or if you have this like angerput on like an angry rage
Metallica song or something, letyourself be angry, feel it for
two to five minutes, just let itbe with it until it releases or
until it starts to dissipate,like ride the tsunami wave and
(17:26):
then it eventually will let go.
And then you like play anothersong and give yourself a couple
of minutes to like either justrelax and like let it go or do
the exact opposite.
So go from anger to peace, gofrom fear to safety, or go from
hate to love or forgiveness oracceptance.
So I think a lot of people justaren't giving themselves enough
(17:47):
space to feel the deeper levelof what's going on and then let
it go.
But it really is as simple asthat.
That's really what happens intherapy.
It's what happens in traumatherapy, regular therapy, pretty
much all retreats I've been to.
It's just people feeling theirstuff.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So it's a lot of the work I do and you talk about
journaling and breath, and it'sa lot of the tools that I use
with my clients is writing stuffdown and feeling it fully.
You know Joseph Campbell saidany feeling felt fully is bliss,
and that's powerful.
Talking about the phone, haveyou seen and I may be off on
(18:27):
this, I'm quite sure I've seenthat blu-light interrupts our
natural physiological sigh andour breathing patterns?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Interesting.
Yeah, I know it's definitelynot good right before, or better
like after sundown.
It's definitely messing withpeople's circuitarums and their
sleep and their energy and theirmood.
But that's fascinating thatblu-light will interrupt the
relaxation response, but it doesmake sense.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, and it may be the story mechanism of being
engrossed in the phone that doesthat.
And I mean, what is that doingto anxiety levels if somebody's
breath is trapped in their chestand is so tight and you're just
diving into other people'sstories and getting caught in
this comparison trap?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean you gotta be more mindful, like
notice how your posture changeswhen you're on your phone.
Most of the time people are noton their phone like with their
arms back.
They're not like laying back intheir bed my headphones are
even falling off.
They're not laying back intheir bed, they're bent over
hunch, which is a stress type ofstate, like if you were to lean
(19:31):
over, look down at the ground,put your head between your legs.
You're probably not gonna feelrelaxed, calm, positive,
confident.
If you walk and talk like asuperhero or a Superman or
you're looking far into thedistance or up at the sky,
you're gonna calm yourself down.
So from a functional neurologystandpoint, one of the things I
trained in, looking closeactivates the sympathetic
(19:53):
nervous system.
So looking far away is a lotbetter.
So I even tell people like, ifyou're gonna watch videos,
podcasts et cetera, put it onyour TV and sit across the room,
because it's not gonna stressyou out as much as watching it
like on the couch with the phonein your hand.
So just like the nearness ofthe screen itself is already
pretty bad for your body.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
That's a new nugget for me.
I love that.
I'll be relaying that to mypeople.
And talking about posture Ibelieve it's the most watched
TED talk Amy Cuddy talking abouthow posture can influence our
physiology.
She talks about in thereputting your feet up on your
(20:34):
desk and hands behind your headand kicking back for two minutes
, decreasing cortisol andincreasing testosterone.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh yeah, totally.
It's like magic.
You really can change yourbeliefs, the way you feel, just
from a quick posture check.
And so if people pay attentionto like what's your posture like
and what's your breath likewhile you're on the phone, it's
really important.
If you're belly breathing whileyou're on your phone,
congratulations.
But most of you probably aren't.
So just pay attention to thenext couple of days and say like
(21:05):
who am I on my phone?
Am I chest breathing?
Is my neck breathing?
Is my chest going up and downor does my belly come deep from
my pelvic floor?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, and to tie this into something you mentioned
earlier, the gut health.
If our posture's poor and we'rein a more stressed state and
our gut's inconsistent, we're atlike a one or a seven in the
Bristol stool chart, as opposedto a nice clean four, I mean a
lot of people are gonna go to Ineed a probiotic, I need a
(21:36):
prebiotic, I need to eat somekimchi, and is it possible that
that stress state and thatbreathing could have something
to do with that too?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
100%.
Yeah, the way you breathe isactually one of the biggest
drivers of a sympatheticactivation, which means a
stressed out state, fight,flight, freeze and fawn.
So when you get into thatpupper sympathetic state your
gut slows down, you don'tsecrete as much digestive acid
or enzymes and things just don'twork.
(22:08):
And so most of the time I getpeople that take some deep, like
Buddha belly breaths or justbelly breaths before they eat,
do a little prayer or intentionor gratitude before they eat,
and a lot of times the heartburngoes away.
If they chew their food 20, 30times and do that practice,
heartburn diminishes or goesaway and their poops start to
regulate.
I also give them to sit on thetoilet after each meal if they
(22:29):
can't poop, and that actually isa great like training for the
nervous system.
The gastrocolic reflex isbasically stomach to colon.
Where you eat you poop eat youpoop.
Dogs do it, babies do it,humans, adults should do it too,
but we're just too stressed todo it.
But if you have really goodposture it calms your body down.
You actually just make morespace for your belly.
(22:50):
Anyways, a lot of people aresort of like protecting your
belly by hunching their lowerback forward.
But if you kind of arch and sityour lower back up more
straight, you're gonna just givemore space for things to even
move physically through yourintestines.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Have you seen stored stress and how can that play on
like the soft tissue andmobility, so to speak?
Like somebody's trying to doCrossFit and do an overhead
squat and they you know how'sthat gonna work.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's not gonna work well if they're stressed, trying
to have lots of mobility.
I mean, the first thing yourbody does when it gets into
stress state is restrict bloodflow to your extremities.
Some people get cold hands andfeet when they're in a stress
state.
So like sweaty palms or coldhands, feet is one of the
classic signs of that, and somepeople will say, well, that's
actually like an adrenal or athyroid, if you see, or not
(23:43):
enough blood.
But the reason why those thingsexist is often because of
stress.
And so I think you know, whenpeople do get into stress state,
things contract, things tighten, you use up all your magnesium
and your electrolytes andminerals get peed out in a
stress state.
So that's why a lot of peopletake magnesium and they're like,
(24:05):
oh, my muscles aren't as tense.
Like, well, if you weren'thaving tons of caffeine or if
you weren't super stressed out,if you were resting and sleeping
enough, you wouldn't need themagnesium for the rest of your
life.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Do you use caffeine?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Sparingly.
My joke is don't do your drugsevery day, do them with a
purpose.
So from time to time I'll usecaffeine.
If you know, I'm driving lateat night and I'm going to die.
Driving tired is worse thandriving drunk, statistically, so
I'll use it for that.
I try not to use caffeine oftenbut I'll have some dark
chocolate, some green tea.
Occasionally I'll have caffeine.
(24:41):
But my system is not like mostpeople's.
I have a super fast metabolism.
That's like 3,000 calories ofBMR a day.
So if I don't eat I lose weightvery quickly if I don't have
intermittent fasting.
So I'm a little differentbecause my metabolism is faster.
Most people it's a littleslower, but for me caffeine
makes me go like super high andthen crash really hard because
(25:02):
I'm already pretty high as is.
So if I have caffeine I'm justlike two up already.
But for most people my bigthing is I just don't want them
to be dependent on the caffeine.
If they feel like they need it,that's a yellow or red flag for
me.
So it's okay, I think, if youwait a couple hours after you
get up, if you eat first andthen have the caffeine.
But if you're dependent on it,like waking out of bed and
(25:24):
you're groggy and tired andgrumpy and feeling a little lazy
.
And you had the caffeine.
Now you're fine.
That means that you need that,and that, for me, is not ideal.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, that's still a substance dependency thing.
I remember when I was drinkinga lot of coffee, I walked into a
local coffee shop and there's aline of like eight people and I
have to get back to the gym torun another class and I'm like
tapping my foot and in thatmoment it hit me like a wave of
clarity.
I'm like, nope, I'm done withcoffee for a bit and I turn
around and walk back out.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'm good.
That's amazing.
I mean, most people wouldprobably see, like, notice that
they're like, well, I'm going tokeep doing it for a while and
then you kind of give up.
But the fact that you actuallychanged in that moment means
your identity is like somebodywho doesn't want to be dependent
on a substance, which iscrucial.
(26:13):
I think our society doesn'tpreach that as a positive.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, no, we glorify nightly.
We glorify night caps or coffee, or mommy needs her wine, or
whatever.
It be yeah for sure.
Have you heard of parazanthin?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I don't think so what is that on?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
parazanthin.
Yeah, so para x parazanthin,it's a natural metabolite of
caffeine that they've isolatedand they're using like energy
drinks or parazanthin coffee,and it doesn't hammer on the
adenosine receptors, so itdoesn't actually negatively
(27:02):
affect the circadian rhythm.
I'd be interested, because Isee your curiosity kind of peak
and I'd be interested yourthoughts on it if you take a
look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, you'd mention Interesting, for sure.
I think I had heard that acouple of months back.
It looks like it's another formof methylxanthin.
It's just good wine, but yeah,it could be less reactive for a
lot of people if they need it.
And, yeah, definitely a nicealternative option.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, you know, and, like you said, if people are
going up hard and crashing hardand something that's smoother
and that, like hey, if you'regoing to be drinking in the
afternoon, at least you cansleep better.
You had mentioned, okay, I'ddrink magnesium, this and get
our minerals in.
And I know one thing that youtalk about often is quality
(27:57):
water and how crucial is it tostay away from tap water these
days.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know, I think, big picture perspective, we're
just blessed to be able to haveenough water, even like city
water.
The problem compared to othersocieties, right like third
world countries.
But the problem is that oursupposedly clean water is often
loaded with carcinogens.
So if you go to the EWGEnvironmental Working Grouporg,
(28:33):
they have a lot of resourceswhere you can look up the tap
water near you and see what's init, and almost always there's
at least four or five, if nottwenty, thirty, different
carcinogens.
There's usually things that areendocrine disruptors which mess
with your hormones and yourthyroid health.
That tugs on your testosteroneand your adrenals, and so a lot
of people are thinking they'redoing a great job by like, oh,
(28:53):
I'm drinking more water.
The problem is that might beaffecting fertility, it could be
affecting even your libido, itcould be affecting your sleep
and it could be causing someimmune system or even tumors
Like immune systems or tumorslong term.
So I think we can't avoid allthe toxins.
But you can get a cheap filterfor a couple hundred bucks and
(29:15):
it's like why not spend that?
It's definitely better thandoing plastic water.
So if you're going to getbottled water, you can also find
a local spring.
There's some websites to findlocal springs near you and most
of America.
You can find one within abouthalf hour or an hour drive.
So you get like big glass jugsand go fill them up, which is
cheaper.
If you have the time, you canget it delivered in like spring
(29:36):
water in glass bottles, or youcan get a really good quality
filter to just filter out thetap water and get rid of a lot
of that junk that you can't see.
One of the biggest lies inhealthcare is that just because
you feel fine or you don't havesymptoms means you're healthy.
But usually you talk to thosepeople and they're like well, I
feel fine, but I need caffeineto get up and I need my nightcap
(29:57):
to go to sleep and I have likefive warts on my toes and I have
like Jock Itch and anytime Idrink sugar my scalp itches and
I can't poop more than liketwice a week and I'm bleeding
out my butt from this hemorrhoid.
You're like well, you're notreally that healthy, are you?
Like you've gotten used to howyou feel, but that doesn't mean
you're very healthy.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, I believe it was Joe Rogan who I heard say is
it really asymptomatic, covid,or do people not realize how
poorly they feel all the time?
Right, exactly, yeah, yeah, Ipromise we'd keep this one
punchy.
If there's one takeaway for thelisteners to take and run with
(30:46):
from this episode, what wouldyou like it to be?
One nugget.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I would one big nugget.
I always there's like four orfive.
I like to give a lot.
My favorite one is this time Ihad a dying patient who had ALS,
lou Gehrysus or amutrophiclateral sclerosis.
Basically, the nerve musclejunction just kind of
deteriorates.
You lose muscle function.
It's a debilitating geneticdisease and within a few years
(31:13):
you pass away.
So for him he was an amazingdude in his 40s with kids.
He was like a counselor, helpedthousands of kids get educated
on ADHD in ways that they couldmanage ADHD naturally and better
with lifestyle and modificationstuff and wrote a book, just
like a super, super aware, supermindful, great soul.
(31:37):
But for him when he becamediagnosed, life got better, not
worse.
I've also seen it in my auntwho had pancreatic cancer not
for two months like they said,but for 15 years.
She had pancreatic cancer whichwas nuts, and for her like and
him post diagnosis, life becamebetter and what I see in those
(31:58):
patients is what he summarizedand he said the meaning of life
became very clear and it wasonly two things.
He said life was about love, abalance of love and time.
And he said time without loveis a prison and love without
time is a tragedy.
So what we really want to do isthink about how much time we
(32:24):
have today, this year, in ourlife.
What do you love?
How much do you love yourself,and act accordingly?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right there.
I know there's people listeningto this that have read the
intro to my book that I'mworking on and they're like, oh,
oh, OK, this is why we're hereon this episode right now.
That was beautifullyarticulated.
I'm right there with all ofthat.
Thank you for sharing.
Where can the people find youand what do you have that they
(32:57):
ought to know about?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, probably go to drbradleycamble
camblelikethesoupcom.
Drbradleycamblecom or onInstagram, dr Bradley Campbell.
I got a book called Do I haveAdrenal Fatigue.
For people who are into bookson Amazon, that's a good one.
And I got a couple ofmembership options where we have
weekly calls on the full one orI just answer questions and
(33:22):
there's tons of hours of contentof health education.
People who want to dive alittle bit deeper.
If I say first step, go followme on some of the social
channels.
I got my own podcast on YouTubeas well.
People can check out and seewhat resonates, get some laughs
in on the Sunday funnies.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yes, yeah, I love those.
Those are great.
Dr Bradley Campbell, thank youso much for being here.
I appreciate your time.
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Thanks, jace, and yeah, for everyone listening.
Be smart, don't be stupid.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
In guiding me to that discovery.
Get after it.
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