June 2, 2026 • 29 mins
Happy Pride Month! Queer and LGBTQ music is incredible for ALL audiences, every day of the year (not just Pride month, of course!). This week we share some under the radar gay anthems and celebrate the queer musicians who made them.
SONGS:
Lavender Country: "Cryin' These Cocksucking Tears" (1973)
Elton John: Philadelphia Freedom (1975)
RESOURCES AND REFERENCES:
Hundreds Turn Out for Wisconsin High Schoolers’ Performance of Banned LGBTQ Song (truthout)
'Don't Sneak': Dad's Unexpected Advice To His Gay Son In The '50s (NPR)
Sissy Podcast: Lavender Country
50 years of Lavender Country: the radical history of the first queer country album
Philadelphia Freedom Isn't Just a Gay Anthem. It's a Pride Anthem (NYT - Allyson McCabe; Please note: Christine ACCIDENTALLY mispronounces Megan Rapinoe's last name when quoting from this essay.)
Billie Jean King Talks About Philadelphia Freedom (EltonJohn.com)
Billie Jean King was told not to come out 45 years ago. She did it anyway. (Outsports.com)
Elton John performing Philadelphia Freedom on Soul Train (1975)
Elton John Comes Out as Bisexual In Rolling Stones' 1976 Cover Story
Billie Jean King: “I don’t think people have any idea how hard it is for trans people” (Diva)
Whip-poor-will (All About Birds)
Best LGBTQ Anthems of All Time (Billboard)
BBC Soul Music - Donna Summer’s “I Feel Love”
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(00:04):
I'm Christine.
And I'm Christina.
In 2024, I moved to Texas fromLA.
And to keep in touch, Christineand I started a weekly game
where we each pick a song thatfits a chosen theme.
This game deepened ourunderstanding of each other and
the songs that shape us,inspiring the podcast you're
listening to now.
Each week we share our pics,swap stories, and dig into
tracks you might love and a lotof the time have never heard of.
(00:27):
Welcome to Stereo Thematica,your favorite atypical music
podcast.
Hello, Christine.
Hello there.
Happy Pride Month.
Happy Pride to you.
I don't think we celebrated lastyear, but well, we didn't
celebrate on the podcast.
We didn't sell, but we did inpicking the theme.
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You picked the theme.
Yeah, that's right.
That was last year.
It was a year ago that youpicked it.
So Okay, cool.
Excited.
We we did commemorate.
It's top of mind.
And I know that we both lovequeer art and music.
And I'm glad that we get to payhomage to a couple of legends
this episode.
I know, without necessarily thetime constraints of the shorty
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song.
The shorty's episode, yes.
I know.
And um before I jump into mypick, I I do want to say queer
and LGBTQ music is incrediblefor all audiences every day of
the year, not just Pride Month,of course.
I'm sure you agree with me onthat.
Oh yeah.
And I don't know if you saw thisrecent controversy, but there
(01:32):
was a school in Watertown,Wisconsin, where the marching
band was recently barred fromplaying a song called A Mother
of a Revolution, composed byOmar Thomas as homage to
transgender activist Marsha P.
Johnson.
No, never I haven't heard ofthat.
I don't know why it kept comingup in my feed, but Marcia P.
Johnson, of course, was a famedparticipant in the Stonewall
(01:52):
Uprising in 1969 in New YorkCity.
And the song, A Mother of aRevolution, is an instrumental
song.
And this school board inWatertown, Wisconsin, which was
a town I'd never heard ofbefore.
I read about them in the news.
They voted seven to one againstallowing the song to be
performed at the school.
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That's not stupid.
That's very lame.
And that just sickens me.
But one thing that made me veryhappy was that the students at
the high school and later at themiddle school staged a walkout
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in to protest this.
Oh cool.
And Omar Thomas, I think, wasmust have been very moved.
The composer of the song musthave been very moved by this
because he actually traveled toWatertown to conduct a
performance of the song playedby the students at the Emmanuel
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Evangelical Lutheran Church ofWatertown.
So I'll share that story.
I think it's a it's a reallynice, like as as much as it
shows that unfortunately there'sstill small-minded people who
are very alive and well outthere.
Um, there's also a newgeneration that is supporting
rights and freedom and juststanding up for what they
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believe in.
And that makes me really happy.
No, that's that's great.
I I hope there's a video of thatas well.
I think so.
Yeah, I should find a video aswell.
But I wanted to say all thisbecause the song I selected for
this episode is NSFW, aka notsafe for work, and maybe NSF for
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small children, because there'ssome cussing.
So if you're sensitive to that,and or if you have a small child
in your car, this is yourwarning.
So you can go ahead and skipahead to Christine's part.
But I have a feeling I gotta behelpful.
No, I mean, we usually cuss.
I do cuss.
Yeah.
We be cussing.
Yeah.
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Yeah, we be cussing.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Carlin would be proud.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So with that being said, my songpick for this week is Crying
These Cocksucking Tears byLavender Country from their 1973
self-titled album.
Um, such a remind me, Christine.
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Did you know about Love in theCountry before I shared this
song with you?
Oh no, not at all.
It's it it well, I will say itwas kind of shocking, even
though it shouldn't be shockingat all.
But but I loved it.
It was it was not what I wasexpecting for a pride song, but
but the thing with the theme isthat you immediately share the
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song, so it's like I don't havea chance to like even anticipate
what you're going to choose.
Fair.
Yeah, good point.
And it probably makes sense whyyou wouldn't know about this
band, and I'll I'll get into ita little bit, but you might have
heard of the leader of LavenderCountry, which his name is
Patrick Haggerty.
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And this album by the band wasthe 1973 album, is the first
known gay-themed album incountry music history.
Oh wow.
So I think that's such anincredible first.
Very cool.
It did, you know, speaking ofMarsha P.
G Johnson, it did come tofruition in direct response to
the riots at Stonewall and thekind of gay rights movements
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that came out of that time andera.
And I just wanted to talk alittle bit about who Patrick is
or was and what brought thisproject together.
So Patrick Hagerty grew up on adairy farm in Port Angeles,
Washington, born in 1944.
He was lucky to have a veryloving father who accepted him
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for exactly who he was.
Nice.
Yeah.
And if you're a fan of StoryCore, NPR Story Core, there was
a beautiful story he told abouthow he dressed in drag for a
high school performance, and hisbrother was ashamed and called
his father.
His father drove up to theschool in his farmer get up.
And he well, actually, the truthwas Patrick saw him and hid and
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ran because he he said, youknow, I wasn't hiding because of
the clothing I was wearing.
I was cleaning because of theclothing my dad was wearing.
And his dad said, I know who Iam.
I'm a dairy farmer.
He's like, you need to be proudof who you are.
Oh.
And he said, Don't sneak, youknow.
And it really was, it's sobeautiful.
He told him not to hide his trueidentity.
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And it's just so heartbreakingand and and beautiful to think
of having that opportunity to beloved unconditionally in that
time frame when it was so hardfor others.
But I also want to link to anexcellent short podcast I
listened to uh in preparationfor this episode called Sissy.
That's the name of the podcast,where they interview Patrick
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about his experience as a gayyouth in rural Washington and in
creating lavender country.
Oh, nice.
I I definitely want to listen tothis.
Yeah, no, it was it was hard forme not to like Google around
after you sent this because Iwas so curious.
And it's such an interestingsong.
And anyway, I'll I'll let youtalk about it.
But this is fun for me hearingall this.
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And I'm kind of gettingemotional too now.
Had you heard that story core uminterview before?
No, not at all.
It's funny because I had heardit, but I didn't put two and two
together knowing that it washim.
Like I I very vividly rememberthat interview, and then I had
not even until today put the twotogether that that was who
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they're interviewing.
And so that's like so much morespecial and really cool.
That is.
Before we continue on, I justgotta ask you in general, like,
are you a story core fan?
Yes, and no.
Yeah, I do like a lot of them.
I just it makes me cry so much.
I know.
I have to, I stop.
Like there was a time I wasdriving, and I would always like
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it, it was I think Fridays, it'sreleased in a certain time, and
they'd start it, and I'm like, Ican't do it.
I don't want to cry.
Like it was right before I wasgetting to work, and it's always
like it just gets me soemotional.
So I'm like, I can't do thisfirst thing in the morning too
much, maybe at night, but not ateight in the morning.
I I don't know.
Like, I I mean driving into workit's hard, but same with the
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moth.
I don't know if you everlistened to the moth.
But usually those are like theyI get weepy.
Yep, yeah, for sure.
Well, Patrick was a long time,well, I don't know if I could
say long time, but he in hislife he was a gay rights
activist.
After he was kicked out of themilitary for being gay, he went
on to do a lot of other activismand then released Lavender
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Country, the album, with felloworiginal lineup bandmates,
including keyboardist MichaelCarr, guitarist Robert
Hammerstorm, and singer andfiddle player Eve Morris, who
has a beautiful singing voice.
And you'll, if you listen to therest of the album, you'll hear
some of her singing and on thissong as well.
Yep.
But they only released orpressed a thousand copies of
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this album.
And as a group, the bandperformed at Seattle Pride in
1974 and a handful of otherLGBTQ events over the next few
years until they dissolved in1976.
And while their original run asa band was short, the group
definitely made their mark onmusical history and the country
music scene, though awareness ofthe band and the album faded
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after all the albums were soldand the band stopped playing.
Because you have to imagine onlya thousand albums, like those
are not going to maybe make therounds very far outside of the
Pacific Northwest or even maybesome very like niche collectors.
However, in 2000, the Journal ofCountry Music published an
article on gay countrymusicians, which focused heavily
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on Lavender Country.
And then in the mid-2000s, theLavender Country album was
uploaded to YouTube, whichignited a new wave of interest
and even fascination.
Did you ever listen to albums onYouTube?
Like when I was very broke whenI was young, that's how I would
listen to a lot of my musicbecause YouTube didn't used to
have ads the way it does now.
(10:24):
And so I'd find full albums onYouTube and just like sit at
work and listen to it.
And you know, it was free.
Yeah.
No, I don't think I ever I Isometimes will discover music
that way, but not like go, Iwon't go there specifically to
listen to music.
Okay.
And I don't anymore.
That was very much like I usedto have playlists of songs on my
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YouTube account that I wouldlike just kind of save and I
don't know.
It's so funny to think of howlike the ways we engage with
media or did in the past.
But I think that was uh maybe acommon thing too, because I
think that's what reignited thisinterest in Lavender Country.
And then in 2014, North Carolinarecord label Paradise of
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Bachelors re-released the album,which ignited even more
attention.
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Yes, what, Christine?
Oh, tell me.
I was so lucky to see Patrickperform as Lavender Country in
2016 while I was living in LA.
Oh wow.
Where?
Hell tell me, tell me, tell me.
I can't remember the venue.
Uh it was over in like HighlandPark, I think.
I will have to look it up, butit was surreal.
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It was like just one of thosethings where like I I do feel
like I found out about LavenderCountry when I was living in
Austin, which would have been, Idon't know, sometime in the
early what were we calling thattime, the 2010s or no, the tens,
the teens.
Yeah.
The teens, you but I mean, atthis point in his life, he was
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an old man, and he's up therewith his overalls, straw hat,
barefoot, like very leaning intothe country look.
Yeah.
And he was an incredibleperformer.
So if you do listen to themusic, like, and I'm sure anyone
who's heard the performance thusfar, he has a very unique voice.
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And it's kind of funny, and likethere is just a lot of raw
playfulness there, if you askme.
But it was just like a very,very fun experience.
And also, one of the backupsingers was a member of one of
my favorite cool girl LA punkbands, Mika Miko.
And that made me geek out evenmore.
So I was like, this is allhappening.
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I love LA.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
It makes you want to move back,huh?
I know, right?
Let's work something out.
But while I might have picked amore profane song for this
episode, there are some trulylovely songs celebrating gay
pride and the gay livedexperience on this album, such
as Come Out Singing, I Can'tShake the Stranger Out of You,
and To a Woman.
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This album also inspired lots ofother queer artists like drag
queen Trixie Mattel and countrysinger Orville Peck, who calls
Patrick Haggerty the grandfatherof queer country.
So in February 2022, LavenderCountry released their second
studio album, Blackberry Rose.
And also in that same year,Patrick Haggerty died from
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complications of a stroke at theage of 78.
So I do, while that's tragic andyou know, maybe just sad to
learn, I love to know that hehad the opportunity to see some
real acclaim and celebration inhis lifetime, considering his
bravery and pioneering spirit.
For sure.
So nice.
What a legend.
I am so glad we got to talkabout Lavender Country today.
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And I can't wait to talk aboutanother queer icon.
So tell me all about your pick.
Okay.
So when you shared this theme, Iimmediately had a song in mind.
As I tend to have songs in mind,but I wanted to try harder
because it's not really a prideanthem in the traditional sense.
But kind of as your song proves,there's no such thing as
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traditional when it comes to gaypride.
So I said, fuck it, and wentwith my gut.
Elton John's PhiladelphiaFreedom.
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What was your reaction to thispick?
Can I be honest?
Please, I didn't know this song.
Oh, I love that.
Isn't that weird?
It feels like I shoulddefinitely know this song.
And it's kind of one of thoseones that you have like, I had
to listen to it over and over tobe like, what is this about?
Yeah.
Why is a British man singingabout Philadelphia?
I know.
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I will get to it.
Okay, good.
But funny enough, I am not anElton John fan.
Like this and the Kiki D song,you know, Don't Go Breaking My
Heart, those are the two that Ilove.
Everything else, I'm like, eh,okay.
Like even that almost famoussong that like it's I I could
appreciate the talent, but justnot for me.
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But this song, love it.
It's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's I mean, it's very muchan anthem.
Yeah, very much, very much.
The first few bars of this,every time I hear it, I'm like
immediately locked in.
I kind of remember re-hearing itfor the first time, I don't
know, several years ago.
I was in a parking lot at likeWest Fields Century City.
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Yeah, like a long time ago,probably like 2016, 20.
I maybe I it doesn't matterwhen, but it I'd been so long.
And for some reason I waslistening to the radio and it
came on, and I'm just like, ohmy God, this is so good.
It's so joyful, it's socelebratory.
And since that rehearing of it,and I remembered it from like
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childhood because like I'm achild of the 70s.
This is you know, I don't know.
It feels gay in every sense ofthe word, but dude, it's not
overtly about gay pride, andmaybe not even covertly.
No, I'm curious.
Obviously, you don't knowanything about it, like you
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haven't learned anything since Ishared it with you.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
So I actually had no idea untilI started researching for this
episode.
Okay.
I wonder if our listeners arefamiliar and we're just dumb.
Um, so it it all started withElton John and Billy Gene King's
friendship.
Sorry, the tennis player.
Yeah, the tennis player, I wassorry to assume.
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Yes.
They met at a party in 1973,shortly before King's famous
Battle of the Sexes matchagainst Bobby Riggs.
You remember that from the movieBattle of the Sexes?
Well, I didn't see it, but Iremember hearing about it.
Yeah.
The historical knowledge.
Sure.
The movie starred Emma Stone andSteve Carell.
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I feel like probably bestcasting.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, not best casting ever,but that casting was excellent
for these two roles.
I I it was they're cute.
But according to an interviewwith King on the Elton John
website, by 1974, Elton wasregularly watching King play for
the team, the PhiladelphiaFreedoms.
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And that was a part of the worldteam tennis, which was a mixed
gender professional league thatKing co-founded.
Then one day he told her that,you know, in Elton John fashion,
that he's gonna write a songabout her.
Yeah.
And when they wondered what tocall it, Elton landed on
Philadelphia Freedom because ofthe tennis team.
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Okay.
So while the song has been theclosing track on Captain
Fantastic and the Brown DirtCowboy since the 1995 CD
reissue, it was originallyrecorded in between sessions for
that album.
And it was the only song at thetime that Elton John and his
longtime lyricist and creativepartner, Bernie Toppin, had ever
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consciously written as a single.
But according to the book HisSong, The Musical History of
Elton John, the author ElizabethRosenthal said that Toppin
maintains that the lyrics hadnothing to do with tennis,
Philadelphia, or even flagwaving patriotism.
And I mean, she's not sayingthis, but no mention of gay
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pride whatsoever.
So I always thought that certainlyrics might be alluding to a
gay relationship.
Like when he says Philadelphiafreedom took me knee-high to a
man, gave me peace of mind mydaddy'd never had.
Like that seems not sure how,but it seems like that is gay
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friendly.
Queer coded.
Thank you, queer-coated.
But dude, the lyrics, I don'tyou've you've tried to listen to
the lyrics.
They're kind of all over theplace.
Yeah, they are.
No, I'm curious if you're gonnaget this one.
He sings till the whipper willof freedom zap me right between
the eyes.
Do you know what a whippo willis?
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It's a bird.
I knew you would know that.
But I'm thinking, like, I don'tknow.
What's a whippo will?
Like, I try why would it zap youright between exactly?
And so I'm like thinking, maybeit's whip, like whip or will,
like your will.
And maybe that was some likeBDSM.
Oh wow.
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This is what's going in my mind.
Like cancel.
I mean, whipper, I don't know.
So interestingly, and you mightknow this, but whipper wills are
easy to hear but hard to see.
So I didn't know that.
So then I'm thinking, okay,maybe Toppin is unconsciously
trying to say something aboutElton John.
Because he's easy to hear, buthe can't be his true self.
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Yeah, exactly.
And at that time he he wasn't.
So anyway, Elton told King thatpeople didn't need to understand
the words literally because thefeeling was the point.
Amen.
You can't give Don't Babble.
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I like to do it, Babylon.
I mean, you can't not get downwhen this song is played.
Can I I don't think I would bevery good at dancing to this
song?
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Well, okay, maybe it's not thatkind of like dancing song.
However, Olton John performedthis on Soul Train in 1975.
And it'll be linked to it.
Oh yes, I will.
And they were dancing to it.
But it's funny you say thatbecause I had a similar, like,
like it's not like a discodancing song, but it's you can't
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sit still like when you'rehearing it.
I don't know.
I'm just like, it makes me wantto like jump around, but it's
not like super like dancy.
Like, I don't know how in therhythm one could be.
Let's just be real.
Anyone who's on Soul Train isgonna be a really good dancer.
Yeah, no matter what.
They're not just letting any oldfreak in there.
They're gonna be like, dance forme.
Oh yeah, they prove they earntheir way on to the show.
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But even then, they're likecompared to other people like
you've seen on the show, likethe dancers are more subdued,
I'd say.
But still, it is a very bouncysong.
But despite what Rosenthalmentioned.
In her book, which was quoted onthe Wikipedia page for the song.
The page also confusingly notes,without citation, which was
annoying, that the song didhonor Philadelphia soul in bands
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like the OJs, The Spinners, andMFSB.
In fact, the singles label had adedication with love to BJK and
the music of Philadelphia.
But the Elton John website hadit quoted as the sound of
Philadelphia.
So who knows?
But I did like truly lose acouple hours trying to confirm
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the information.
Like, oh my God.
No, I hate this.
Like, I will spend that muchtime just trying to find the
right sources because Wikipediasaid this.
But then all of a sudden,there's a quote on the Elton
John website that's conflicting.
And I mean, given how like wellknown, popular Elton John is,
you'd think like the sourceswould be more consistent and
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verifiable.
I have his number.
You should have just asked.
Okay.
Yeah, next time.
Thank you.
Um, hello, Elton.
No, I don't.
Okay.
Well, anyway, it was it was ajourney, but you know what?
Even in those moments, like it'skind of fun going through and
and you learn other things asyou try to confirm.
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True.
So I could say that the chartinfo was clear at least.
And Philadelphia Freedom hit theBillboard Hot 100 at 53 in March
of 1975.
Then it reached number one fiveweeks later, stayed there for
two weeks, and remained on thechart for about five months.
Just as the US of A was gearingup for the bicentennial in 76.
(23:41):
I was wondering if that wasgonna come up.
Yeah.
So naturally, PhiladelphiaFreedom sort of became an
unofficial anthem, celebratingthe nation's freedom in the City
of Liberty, of course.
But what I found veryinteresting was that no one, I
mean, in my research at least,no one save for an op-ed in the
New York Times and me is talkingabout this being a gay pride
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song.
And maybe that's because it'snot, but um the article which I
share, she talks more about itresonating with her personally,
the out the writer AllisonMcCabe.
And she actually wrote, withoutBillie Jean King, there's no
Megan Rapone, without Eln John,there's no Lil Nas X, we still
have a lot of work to do, butequality isn't achieved simply
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by playing the game.
It's done by showing up, evenwhen the court isn't ready for
us.
This is why I see PhiladelphiaFreedom, not simply as a gay
anthem, but a pride anthem.
It's a song about what it feelslike when we manifest our
truest, fullest, and freestselves.
So I felt like with that, atleast I got a little bit of like
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justification.
Okay.
I'm also glad that this is allthe explanation that you're
giving.
Because I was like, if I'venever heard this song and it's a
pride anthem or a gay anthem,I'm gonna feel a little bit
embarrassed.
Yeah, but but remember, it's allabout the vibes.
You're manifesting.
You're manifesting a new anthem.
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Yeah.
So in 1975, both King and Johnwere still in the closet.
King came out in 1981, and Johncame out as bisexual in 1976,
and then officially as gay in1992, both times in Rolling
Stone magazine.
So the pride connection becomesmore apparent through King and
John's activism, obviously.
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King was the first openly gaypro-athlete at the time.
She was an advocate for women insports and LGBTQ rights.
She won 39 Grand Slam titles andhelped establish Women's Tennis
Association.
And she pushed for equal pay intennis.
She also received thePresidential Medal of Freedom
from Obama in 2009.
(25:50):
Yeah.
And yeah, Elton John, I mean,he's dedicated so much of his
life to fighting HIV AIDS,founding the Elton John AIDS
Foundation and raising millionsthrough events like his annual
Academy Awards viewing party.
I mean, he's he's got too manyhonors to list.
Really?
So while Philadelphia Free Ademdoesn't mention queerness
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directly or indirectly for thatmatter, it is a tribute to like
a gay sports icon whose publiclife became a symbol of
equality, visibility, andcourage.
So I feel like that counts, no?
Everything counts.
Right.
I love it.
I I also especially love youryour research, dedication, and
your commitment to extrapolatingthe meaning from this this song.
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It's it's fantastic.
I'm intrigued by your mania.
Okay, good.
I mean, I could have just chosenlike erasure's chains of love.
That's a good song.
I know.
I mean any erasure song, so muchfun.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm happy with mychoice.
I love it.
And I hope it becomes a prideanthem.
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And again, we're manifesting it.
No, and well, it's funny becauseI did look up to see if it was,
you know, obviously, I did myresearch, and in the best 100
LGBTQ anthems, not listed.
Not there.
No.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Well, I got mine.
No.
So then no.
We're fine.
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Yeah.
No, we're good.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thank you forparticipating this week,
Christine.
No, thank you.
I I appreciate get having thechance to celebrate pride.
Me too.
It's pretty exciting.
And um, if I can actually giveyou some incredible and
unsolicited advice.
Yes.
And and and everyone, not justyou, but especially you.
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Go see a concert outdoors thissummer.
Whether it's your absolutefavorite band at Red Rocks or a
community orchestra at a localpark, there's something magical
about sharing a musicalexperience with your fellow
music lovers under the stars.
And the lack of walls means lesscrowd anxiety and more fresh
air.
I personally love that feelingof unfurling your picnic
blanket, cracking open a bottleof chilled wine or a fizzy
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water, and people watching toyour heart's content while
you're serenaded, or whateverthe instrumental version of a
serenade is, and the summerbreeze.
Do you actually have summerbreezes in Houston?
Never mind the weather.
As long as it's not raining, oreven if it is and you have cover
to protect you from theelements, you won't regret
seeing a concert outdoors thissummer.
Pack your bug spray, somesnacks, and enjoy the ambiance.
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This is such good advice that Ithink I'll actually go see two
concerts outdoors this week.
Hmm.
I wonder if the Hollywood BowlPR team listens to this podcast.
If so, reach out.
Christine, want to give thelisteners a hint about what next
week's theme will be?
Next week, let's do somethingfamiliar, but in another
language.
We.
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Thanks for listening toStereothematica.
If you like what you're hearing,please consider a review, a
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And follow us on Instagram whereyou can share your favorite
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We've also got our infiniteSpotify playlist linked in our
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And visit stereothematica.comfor more fun.
I'm Christine.
And I'm Christina.
In 2024, I moved to Texas fromLA.
And to keep in touch, Christineand I started a weekly game
where we each pick a song thatfits a chosen theme.
This game deepened ourunderstanding of each other and
the songs that shape us,inspiring the podcast you're
listening to now.
Each week we share our pics,swap stories, and dig into
tracks you might love and a lotof the time have never heard of.
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Welcome to Stereo Thematica,your favorite atypical music
podcast.
Hello, Christine.
Hello there.
Happy Pride Month.
Happy Pride to you.
I don't think we celebrated lastyear, but well, we didn't
celebrate on the podcast.
We didn't sell, but we did inpicking the theme.
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You picked the theme.
Yeah, that's right.
That was last year.
It was a year ago that youpicked it.
So Okay, cool.
Excited.
We we did commemorate.
It's top of mind.
And I know that we both lovequeer art and music.
And I'm glad that we get to payhomage to a couple of legends
this episode.
I know, without necessarily thetime constraints of the shorty
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song.
The shorty's episode, yes.
I know.
And um before I jump into mypick, I I do want to say queer
and LGBTQ music is incrediblefor all audiences every day of
the year, not just Pride Month,of course.
I'm sure you agree with me onthat.
Oh yeah.
And I don't know if you saw thisrecent controversy, but there
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was a school in Watertown,Wisconsin, where the marching
band was recently barred fromplaying a song called A Mother
of a Revolution, composed byOmar Thomas as homage to
transgender activist Marsha P.
Johnson.
No, never I haven't heard ofthat.
I don't know why it kept comingup in my feed, but Marcia P.
Johnson, of course, was a famedparticipant in the Stonewall
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Uprising in 1969 in New YorkCity.
And the song, A Mother of aRevolution, is an instrumental
song.
And this school board inWatertown, Wisconsin, which was
a town I'd never heard ofbefore.
I read about them in the news.
They voted seven to one againstallowing the song to be
performed at the school.
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That's not stupid.
That's very lame.
And that just sickens me.
But one thing that made me veryhappy was that the students at
the high school and later at themiddle school staged a walkout
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in to protest this.
Oh cool.
And Omar Thomas, I think, wasmust have been very moved.
The composer of the song musthave been very moved by this
because he actually traveled toWatertown to conduct a
performance of the song playedby the students at the Emmanuel
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Evangelical Lutheran Church ofWatertown.
So I'll share that story.
I think it's a it's a reallynice, like as as much as it
shows that unfortunately there'sstill small-minded people who
are very alive and well outthere.
Um, there's also a newgeneration that is supporting
rights and freedom and juststanding up for what they
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believe in.
And that makes me really happy.
No, that's that's great.
I I hope there's a video of thatas well.
I think so.
Yeah, I should find a video aswell.
But I wanted to say all thisbecause the song I selected for
this episode is NSFW, aka notsafe for work, and maybe NSF for
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small children, because there'ssome cussing.
So if you're sensitive to that,and or if you have a small child
in your car, this is yourwarning.
So you can go ahead and skipahead to Christine's part.
But I have a feeling I gotta behelpful.
No, I mean, we usually cuss.
I do cuss.
Yeah.
We be cussing.
Yeah.
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Yeah, we be cussing.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Carlin would be proud.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So with that being said, my songpick for this week is Crying
These Cocksucking Tears byLavender Country from their 1973
self-titled album.
Um, such a remind me, Christine.
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Did you know about Love in theCountry before I shared this
song with you?
Oh no, not at all.
It's it it well, I will say itwas kind of shocking, even
though it shouldn't be shockingat all.
But but I loved it.
It was it was not what I wasexpecting for a pride song, but
but the thing with the theme isthat you immediately share the
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song, so it's like I don't havea chance to like even anticipate
what you're going to choose.
Fair.
Yeah, good point.
And it probably makes sense whyyou wouldn't know about this
band, and I'll I'll get into ita little bit, but you might have
heard of the leader of LavenderCountry, which his name is
Patrick Haggerty.
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And this album by the band wasthe 1973 album, is the first
known gay-themed album incountry music history.
Oh wow.
So I think that's such anincredible first.
Very cool.
It did, you know, speaking ofMarsha P.
G Johnson, it did come tofruition in direct response to
the riots at Stonewall and thekind of gay rights movements
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that came out of that time andera.
And I just wanted to talk alittle bit about who Patrick is
or was and what brought thisproject together.
So Patrick Hagerty grew up on adairy farm in Port Angeles,
Washington, born in 1944.
He was lucky to have a veryloving father who accepted him
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for exactly who he was.
Nice.
Yeah.
And if you're a fan of StoryCore, NPR Story Core, there was
a beautiful story he told abouthow he dressed in drag for a
high school performance, and hisbrother was ashamed and called
his father.
His father drove up to theschool in his farmer get up.
And he well, actually, the truthwas Patrick saw him and hid and
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ran because he he said, youknow, I wasn't hiding because of
the clothing I was wearing.
I was cleaning because of theclothing my dad was wearing.
And his dad said, I know who Iam.
I'm a dairy farmer.
He's like, you need to be proudof who you are.
Oh.
And he said, Don't sneak, youknow.
And it really was, it's sobeautiful.
He told him not to hide his trueidentity.
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And it's just so heartbreakingand and and beautiful to think
of having that opportunity to beloved unconditionally in that
time frame when it was so hardfor others.
But I also want to link to anexcellent short podcast I
listened to uh in preparationfor this episode called Sissy.
That's the name of the podcast,where they interview Patrick
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about his experience as a gayyouth in rural Washington and in
creating lavender country.
Oh, nice.
I I definitely want to listen tothis.
Yeah, no, it was it was hard forme not to like Google around
after you sent this because Iwas so curious.
And it's such an interestingsong.
And anyway, I'll I'll let youtalk about it.
But this is fun for me hearingall this.
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And I'm kind of gettingemotional too now.
Had you heard that story core uminterview before?
No, not at all.
It's funny because I had heardit, but I didn't put two and two
together knowing that it washim.
Like I I very vividly rememberthat interview, and then I had
not even until today put the twotogether that that was who
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they're interviewing.
And so that's like so much morespecial and really cool.
That is.
Before we continue on, I justgotta ask you in general, like,
are you a story core fan?
Yes, and no.
Yeah, I do like a lot of them.
I just it makes me cry so much.
I know.
I have to, I stop.
Like there was a time I wasdriving, and I would always like
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it, it was I think Fridays, it'sreleased in a certain time, and
they'd start it, and I'm like, Ican't do it.
I don't want to cry.
Like it was right before I wasgetting to work, and it's always
like it just gets me soemotional.
So I'm like, I can't do thisfirst thing in the morning too
much, maybe at night, but not ateight in the morning.
I I don't know.
Like, I I mean driving into workit's hard, but same with the
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moth.
I don't know if you everlistened to the moth.
But usually those are like theyI get weepy.
Yep, yeah, for sure.
Well, Patrick was a long time,well, I don't know if I could
say long time, but he in hislife he was a gay rights
activist.
After he was kicked out of themilitary for being gay, he went
on to do a lot of other activismand then released Lavender
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Country, the album, with felloworiginal lineup bandmates,
including keyboardist MichaelCarr, guitarist Robert
Hammerstorm, and singer andfiddle player Eve Morris, who
has a beautiful singing voice.
And you'll, if you listen to therest of the album, you'll hear
some of her singing and on thissong as well.
Yep.
But they only released orpressed a thousand copies of
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this album.
And as a group, the bandperformed at Seattle Pride in
1974 and a handful of otherLGBTQ events over the next few
years until they dissolved in1976.
And while their original run asa band was short, the group
definitely made their mark onmusical history and the country
music scene, though awareness ofthe band and the album faded
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after all the albums were soldand the band stopped playing.
Because you have to imagine onlya thousand albums, like those
are not going to maybe make therounds very far outside of the
Pacific Northwest or even maybesome very like niche collectors.
However, in 2000, the Journal ofCountry Music published an
article on gay countrymusicians, which focused heavily
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on Lavender Country.
And then in the mid-2000s, theLavender Country album was
uploaded to YouTube, whichignited a new wave of interest
and even fascination.
Did you ever listen to albums onYouTube?
Like when I was very broke whenI was young, that's how I would
listen to a lot of my musicbecause YouTube didn't used to
have ads the way it does now.
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And so I'd find full albums onYouTube and just like sit at
work and listen to it.
And you know, it was free.
Yeah.
No, I don't think I ever I Isometimes will discover music
that way, but not like go, Iwon't go there specifically to
listen to music.
Okay.
And I don't anymore.
That was very much like I usedto have playlists of songs on my
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YouTube account that I wouldlike just kind of save and I
don't know.
It's so funny to think of howlike the ways we engage with
media or did in the past.
But I think that was uh maybe acommon thing too, because I
think that's what reignited thisinterest in Lavender Country.
And then in 2014, North Carolinarecord label Paradise of
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Bachelors re-released the album,which ignited even more
attention.
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Yes, what, Christine?
Oh, tell me.
I was so lucky to see Patrickperform as Lavender Country in
2016 while I was living in LA.
Oh wow.
Where?
Hell tell me, tell me, tell me.
I can't remember the venue.
Uh it was over in like HighlandPark, I think.
I will have to look it up, butit was surreal.
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It was like just one of thosethings where like I I do feel
like I found out about LavenderCountry when I was living in
Austin, which would have been, Idon't know, sometime in the
early what were we calling thattime, the 2010s or no, the tens,
the teens.
Yeah.
The teens, you but I mean, atthis point in his life, he was
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an old man, and he's up therewith his overalls, straw hat,
barefoot, like very leaning intothe country look.
Yeah.
And he was an incredibleperformer.
So if you do listen to themusic, like, and I'm sure anyone
who's heard the performance thusfar, he has a very unique voice.
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And it's kind of funny, and likethere is just a lot of raw
playfulness there, if you askme.
But it was just like a very,very fun experience.
And also, one of the backupsingers was a member of one of
my favorite cool girl LA punkbands, Mika Miko.
And that made me geek out evenmore.
So I was like, this is allhappening.
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I love LA.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
It makes you want to move back,huh?
I know, right?
Let's work something out.
But while I might have picked amore profane song for this
episode, there are some trulylovely songs celebrating gay
pride and the gay livedexperience on this album, such
as Come Out Singing, I Can'tShake the Stranger Out of You,
and To a Woman.
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This album also inspired lots ofother queer artists like drag
queen Trixie Mattel and countrysinger Orville Peck, who calls
Patrick Haggerty the grandfatherof queer country.
So in February 2022, LavenderCountry released their second
studio album, Blackberry Rose.
And also in that same year,Patrick Haggerty died from
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complications of a stroke at theage of 78.
So I do, while that's tragic andyou know, maybe just sad to
learn, I love to know that hehad the opportunity to see some
real acclaim and celebration inhis lifetime, considering his
bravery and pioneering spirit.
For sure.
So nice.
What a legend.
I am so glad we got to talkabout Lavender Country today.
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And I can't wait to talk aboutanother queer icon.
So tell me all about your pick.
Okay.
So when you shared this theme, Iimmediately had a song in mind.
As I tend to have songs in mind,but I wanted to try harder
because it's not really a prideanthem in the traditional sense.
But kind of as your song proves,there's no such thing as
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traditional when it comes to gaypride.
So I said, fuck it, and wentwith my gut.
Elton John's PhiladelphiaFreedom.
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What was your reaction to thispick?
Can I be honest?
Please, I didn't know this song.
Oh, I love that.
Isn't that weird?
It feels like I shoulddefinitely know this song.
And it's kind of one of thoseones that you have like, I had
to listen to it over and over tobe like, what is this about?
Yeah.
Why is a British man singingabout Philadelphia?
I know.
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I will get to it.
Okay, good.
But funny enough, I am not anElton John fan.
Like this and the Kiki D song,you know, Don't Go Breaking My
Heart, those are the two that Ilove.
Everything else, I'm like, eh,okay.
Like even that almost famoussong that like it's I I could
appreciate the talent, but justnot for me.
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But this song, love it.
It's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's I mean, it's very muchan anthem.
Yeah, very much, very much.
The first few bars of this,every time I hear it, I'm like
immediately locked in.
I kind of remember re-hearing itfor the first time, I don't
know, several years ago.
I was in a parking lot at likeWest Fields Century City.
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Yeah, like a long time ago,probably like 2016, 20.
I maybe I it doesn't matterwhen, but it I'd been so long.
And for some reason I waslistening to the radio and it
came on, and I'm just like, ohmy God, this is so good.
It's so joyful, it's socelebratory.
And since that rehearing of it,and I remembered it from like
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childhood because like I'm achild of the 70s.
This is you know, I don't know.
It feels gay in every sense ofthe word, but dude, it's not
overtly about gay pride, andmaybe not even covertly.
No, I'm curious.
Obviously, you don't knowanything about it, like you
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haven't learned anything since Ishared it with you.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
So I actually had no idea untilI started researching for this
episode.
Okay.
I wonder if our listeners arefamiliar and we're just dumb.
Um, so it it all started withElton John and Billy Gene King's
friendship.
Sorry, the tennis player.
Yeah, the tennis player, I wassorry to assume.
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Yes.
They met at a party in 1973,shortly before King's famous
Battle of the Sexes matchagainst Bobby Riggs.
You remember that from the movieBattle of the Sexes?
Well, I didn't see it, but Iremember hearing about it.
Yeah.
The historical knowledge.
Sure.
The movie starred Emma Stone andSteve Carell.
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I feel like probably bestcasting.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, not best casting ever,but that casting was excellent
for these two roles.
I I it was they're cute.
But according to an interviewwith King on the Elton John
website, by 1974, Elton wasregularly watching King play for
the team, the PhiladelphiaFreedoms.
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And that was a part of the worldteam tennis, which was a mixed
gender professional league thatKing co-founded.
Then one day he told her that,you know, in Elton John fashion,
that he's gonna write a songabout her.
Yeah.
And when they wondered what tocall it, Elton landed on
Philadelphia Freedom because ofthe tennis team.
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Okay.
So while the song has been theclosing track on Captain
Fantastic and the Brown DirtCowboy since the 1995 CD
reissue, it was originallyrecorded in between sessions for
that album.
And it was the only song at thetime that Elton John and his
longtime lyricist and creativepartner, Bernie Toppin, had ever
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consciously written as a single.
But according to the book HisSong, The Musical History of
Elton John, the author ElizabethRosenthal said that Toppin
maintains that the lyrics hadnothing to do with tennis,
Philadelphia, or even flagwaving patriotism.
And I mean, she's not sayingthis, but no mention of gay
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pride whatsoever.
So I always thought that certainlyrics might be alluding to a
gay relationship.
Like when he says Philadelphiafreedom took me knee-high to a
man, gave me peace of mind mydaddy'd never had.
Like that seems not sure how,but it seems like that is gay
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friendly.
Queer coded.
Thank you, queer-coated.
But dude, the lyrics, I don'tyou've you've tried to listen to
the lyrics.
They're kind of all over theplace.
Yeah, they are.
No, I'm curious if you're gonnaget this one.
He sings till the whipper willof freedom zap me right between
the eyes.
Do you know what a whippo willis?
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It's a bird.
I knew you would know that.
But I'm thinking, like, I don'tknow.
What's a whippo will?
Like, I try why would it zap youright between exactly?
And so I'm like thinking, maybeit's whip, like whip or will,
like your will.
And maybe that was some likeBDSM.
Oh wow.
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This is what's going in my mind.
Like cancel.
I mean, whipper, I don't know.
So interestingly, and you mightknow this, but whipper wills are
easy to hear but hard to see.
So I didn't know that.
So then I'm thinking, okay,maybe Toppin is unconsciously
trying to say something aboutElton John.
Because he's easy to hear, buthe can't be his true self.
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Yeah, exactly.
And at that time he he wasn't.
So anyway, Elton told King thatpeople didn't need to understand
the words literally because thefeeling was the point.
Amen.
You can't give Don't Babble.
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I like to do it, Babylon.
I mean, you can't not get downwhen this song is played.
Can I I don't think I would bevery good at dancing to this
song?
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Well, okay, maybe it's not thatkind of like dancing song.
However, Olton John performedthis on Soul Train in 1975.
And it'll be linked to it.
Oh yes, I will.
And they were dancing to it.
But it's funny you say thatbecause I had a similar, like,
like it's not like a discodancing song, but it's you can't
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sit still like when you'rehearing it.
I don't know.
I'm just like, it makes me wantto like jump around, but it's
not like super like dancy.
Like, I don't know how in therhythm one could be.
Let's just be real.
Anyone who's on Soul Train isgonna be a really good dancer.
Yeah, no matter what.
They're not just letting any oldfreak in there.
They're gonna be like, dance forme.
Oh yeah, they prove they earntheir way on to the show.
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But even then, they're likecompared to other people like
you've seen on the show, likethe dancers are more subdued,
I'd say.
But still, it is a very bouncysong.
But despite what Rosenthalmentioned.
In her book, which was quoted onthe Wikipedia page for the song.
The page also confusingly notes,without citation, which was
annoying, that the song didhonor Philadelphia soul in bands
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like the OJs, The Spinners, andMFSB.
In fact, the singles label had adedication with love to BJK and
the music of Philadelphia.
But the Elton John website hadit quoted as the sound of
Philadelphia.
So who knows?
But I did like truly lose acouple hours trying to confirm
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the information.
Like, oh my God.
No, I hate this.
Like, I will spend that muchtime just trying to find the
right sources because Wikipediasaid this.
But then all of a sudden,there's a quote on the Elton
John website that's conflicting.
And I mean, given how like wellknown, popular Elton John is,
you'd think like the sourceswould be more consistent and
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verifiable.
I have his number.
You should have just asked.
Okay.
Yeah, next time.
Thank you.
Um, hello, Elton.
No, I don't.
Okay.
Well, anyway, it was it was ajourney, but you know what?
Even in those moments, like it'skind of fun going through and
and you learn other things asyou try to confirm.
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True.
So I could say that the chartinfo was clear at least.
And Philadelphia Freedom hit theBillboard Hot 100 at 53 in March
of 1975.
Then it reached number one fiveweeks later, stayed there for
two weeks, and remained on thechart for about five months.
Just as the US of A was gearingup for the bicentennial in 76.
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I was wondering if that wasgonna come up.
Yeah.
So naturally, PhiladelphiaFreedom sort of became an
unofficial anthem, celebratingthe nation's freedom in the City
of Liberty, of course.
But what I found veryinteresting was that no one, I
mean, in my research at least,no one save for an op-ed in the
New York Times and me is talkingabout this being a gay pride
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song.
And maybe that's because it'snot, but um the article which I
share, she talks more about itresonating with her personally,
the out the writer AllisonMcCabe.
And she actually wrote, withoutBillie Jean King, there's no
Megan Rapone, without Eln John,there's no Lil Nas X, we still
have a lot of work to do, butequality isn't achieved simply
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by playing the game.
It's done by showing up, evenwhen the court isn't ready for
us.
This is why I see PhiladelphiaFreedom, not simply as a gay
anthem, but a pride anthem.
It's a song about what it feelslike when we manifest our
truest, fullest, and freestselves.
So I felt like with that, atleast I got a little bit of like
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justification.
Okay.
I'm also glad that this is allthe explanation that you're
giving.
Because I was like, if I'venever heard this song and it's a
pride anthem or a gay anthem,I'm gonna feel a little bit
embarrassed.
Yeah, but but remember, it's allabout the vibes.
You're manifesting.
You're manifesting a new anthem.
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Yeah.
So in 1975, both King and Johnwere still in the closet.
King came out in 1981, and Johncame out as bisexual in 1976,
and then officially as gay in1992, both times in Rolling
Stone magazine.
So the pride connection becomesmore apparent through King and
John's activism, obviously.
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King was the first openly gaypro-athlete at the time.
She was an advocate for women insports and LGBTQ rights.
She won 39 Grand Slam titles andhelped establish Women's Tennis
Association.
And she pushed for equal pay intennis.
She also received thePresidential Medal of Freedom
from Obama in 2009.
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Yeah.
And yeah, Elton John, I mean,he's dedicated so much of his
life to fighting HIV AIDS,founding the Elton John AIDS
Foundation and raising millionsthrough events like his annual
Academy Awards viewing party.
I mean, he's he's got too manyhonors to list.
Really?
So while Philadelphia Free Ademdoesn't mention queerness
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directly or indirectly for thatmatter, it is a tribute to like
a gay sports icon whose publiclife became a symbol of
equality, visibility, andcourage.
So I feel like that counts, no?
Everything counts.
Right.
I love it.
I I also especially love youryour research, dedication, and
your commitment to extrapolatingthe meaning from this this song.
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It's it's fantastic.
I'm intrigued by your mania.
Okay, good.
I mean, I could have just chosenlike erasure's chains of love.
That's a good song.
I know.
I mean any erasure song, so muchfun.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm happy with mychoice.
I love it.
And I hope it becomes a prideanthem.
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And again, we're manifesting it.
No, and well, it's funny becauseI did look up to see if it was,
you know, obviously, I did myresearch, and in the best 100
LGBTQ anthems, not listed.
Not there.
No.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Well, I got mine.
No.
So then no.
We're fine.
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Yeah.
No, we're good.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thank you forparticipating this week,
Christine.
No, thank you.
I I appreciate get having thechance to celebrate pride.
Me too.
It's pretty exciting.
And um, if I can actually giveyou some incredible and
unsolicited advice.
Yes.
And and and everyone, not justyou, but especially you.
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Go see a concert outdoors thissummer.
Whether it's your absolutefavorite band at Red Rocks or a
community orchestra at a localpark, there's something magical
about sharing a musicalexperience with your fellow
music lovers under the stars.
And the lack of walls means lesscrowd anxiety and more fresh
air.
I personally love that feelingof unfurling your picnic
blanket, cracking open a bottleof chilled wine or a fizzy
(28:00):
water, and people watching toyour heart's content while
you're serenaded, or whateverthe instrumental version of a
serenade is, and the summerbreeze.
Do you actually have summerbreezes in Houston?
Never mind the weather.
As long as it's not raining, oreven if it is and you have cover
to protect you from theelements, you won't regret
seeing a concert outdoors thissummer.
Pack your bug spray, somesnacks, and enjoy the ambiance.
(28:24):
This is such good advice that Ithink I'll actually go see two
concerts outdoors this week.
Hmm.
I wonder if the Hollywood BowlPR team listens to this podcast.
If so, reach out.
Christine, want to give thelisteners a hint about what next
week's theme will be?
Next week, let's do somethingfamiliar, but in another
language.
We.
(28:45):
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If you like what you're hearing,please consider a review, a
rating, or sharing with afriend.
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pride songs.
We've also got our infiniteSpotify playlist linked in our
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