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Imagine grappling with a 15-year-old laptop while pondering the durability of things from yesteryear. Legendary frontman Angry Anderson joins us to share his humorous insights on technology, comparing himself to the old appliances that just keep going. Join us for a nostalgic ride through Angry's personal history, as we trace his journey from childhood in Melbourne to the exhilarating life of a rock musician on tour. You'll hear about his upcoming performances, with stops at iconic venues like California's Whiskey a Go-Go, and his reflections on sharing the stage with legends such as ZZ Top and George Thorogood.
But it's not all rock and roll tales; we dive into the transformative power of music when faced with life's challenges. Angry opens up about overcoming childhood trauma and the importance of addressing emotional health issues early on. Listen as he shares how music became his saving grace, channeling emotions into creativity and advocating for others to find their own paths to healing. His story of resilience is a reminder of the enduring strength found in both rock music and the human spirit.
Rounding out our conversation, we explore the origins of Angry's musical journey, from his first band to joining Buster Brown, and how fate led him to become a singer. There's excitement in the air with new music releases and plans to welcome back former band members. Angry also fondly recounts the joy of reconnecting with old friends and the thrill of creating new music. Whether you're a long-time fan or just discovering the world of Rose Tattoo, this episode promises a blend of heartfelt stories, musical insights, and the timeless energy of rock and roll.
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Cheryl Lee (00:02):
That Radio Chick Cheryl Lee here.
Welcome to the Still Rockin' itpodcast where we'll have music
news, reviews and interviewswith some of our favourite
Australian musicians and artists.
Today we catch up withAustralian music legend, Rose
Tattoo's frontman and foundingmember, Angry Anderson.
We're going to do thingsslightly different this time due
(00:24):
to two factors.
One, Mr Anderson does love achat, over an hour in fact.
And two, technology is fabulousuntil it's not.
I won't bore you with details,but due to catastrophic hard
drive failure here there's ahuge backlog of editing, so for
that reason this episode isnaked and uncut.
It's a long one, just Angry andI chatting on the Zoom warts
(00:47):
and all.
He's an amazing Australiantreasure and if you want to hear
all about his exploits, bothmusical and philanthropic, you
can listen to our first podcastchat a few years ago.
Or if you want to watch thiswhole thing, go to the YouTube
page Still Rockin' It That RadioCheryl Lee and see the whole
chat in the zoom room.
Or else just grab yourself acuppa and let's get started to
(01:10):
find out what angry anderson isup to now.
To catch up on podcasts fromother favorite artists, simply
go to that radio chick.
com.
au hello sorry I just had tohave a quick wee break.
Angry Anderson (01:26):
Yeah, that's fine, thank you.
Yes, lovely, I just recentlyhad one myself.
But anyway, having said that,yeah, I was just saying to the
youngster, I think I have tobite the bullet and admit that
this laptop, I think, is justabout ready to chuck it in.
Cheryl Lee (01:49):
Time for some new technology, is it?
Angry Anderson (01:52):
Well, yeah, it's apart from the fact that you
know when some of your keypadsstart to go.
You know which happened someyears ago.
I might add.
Cheryl Lee (02:06):
Well, it's done.
Well, I think you've got yourmoney's worth by the sound of it
.
Angry Anderson (02:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know.
You know my son would know, butit's at least 15 years old.
Cheryl Lee (02:22):
Yeah, that is pretty ancient in the land of
computers.
Yeah, so it would seem.
Angry Anderson (02:29):
But I am loathe to.
I'm one of those people thatwas brought up like if you pay a
certain amount of money forsomething, you expect it to last
forever.
Cheryl Lee (02:39):
Anyway, yeah, like the old fridges used to do.
You know the old fridges?
They had outlasted all of us.
Angry Anderson (02:46):
You know, one of the funny things, funny, you
should mention that my brotherinherited it because he lives in
Melbourne.
Well, he doesn't anymore, he'spassed.
But anyway, having said that,it was the first real fridge
(03:06):
that we bought when I because Igrew up in Melbourne and I
remember Mum had a, like manypeople did in our street or our
area we had ice delivered and itwent into a well, I call it an
ice box.
(03:27):
So the ice went in the top part, yeah, yeah, so every, I'm not
too sure, maybe a week or maybeevery three or four days or
something, but because the waterwould seep down, it was, like,
(03:47):
you know, some sort ofirrigational type situation and
it would end up in the bottom.
So, yeah, and Mum, like othersin those days, she used to
because, as the water went down,of course it was still cold.
Yeah, and cold, you know, asyou know, travels down.
(04:12):
But yeah, and then we got thisfridge right and it had the
round corners on it.
Cheryl Lee (04:19):
Yes, was it a Kelvinator.
Angry Anderson (04:22):
Oh, probably, yeah, a Kelvinator or a
Westinghouse or something, butit had that big handle, yep.
And yeah, my brother inheritedit from when Mum married again
and moved on, you know.
Yeah, so because I love that,well, we all love that fridge,
(04:45):
because it was just that.
And mum, you know, religiously,like women did in those days, I
still do it.
I still do it to this day.
I clean the fridge like twice amonth.
I take everything out, becauseI've got a back fridge like a
bar fridge yeah and I takeeverything out and clean it
inside and out, so it's spotless.
Cheryl Lee (05:08):
You're good, you want to come to my house.
Angry Anderson (05:11):
I'd make someone a good wife, you will.
My kids have often said to meyeah, so where are you?
By the way, Sorry.
Where are you?
Oh, I'm in.
Cheryl Lee (05:23):
Adelaide.
I was going to ask you whereare you?
Are you nowhere near thesefires?
Angry Anderson (05:28):
No, no, nowhere I live.
Do you know Sydney at all?
A little?
Well, there's the northernbeaches.
Yep, yep, I live on Beacon Hill, which is the highest physical
(05:51):
point in the Sydney metropolitanarea, and if you go directly to
the coast, our beach is cool,cool.
So there's manly fresh waterand then cool, cool Nice.
Cheryl Lee (06:04):
Yeah, I was just going to say.
A lot of back rooms and men'ssheds still have those old
fridges because they just neverdie, do they no?
Angry Anderson (06:13):
They're like old rock and rollers.
They refuse to exchange.
Someone said to me I don'tthink she meant to be unkind.
She said do you ever feel likeyou might have overstayed your
welcome?
And I said, if I did feel thatway, we wouldn't be having this
(06:37):
conversation.
Cheryl Lee (06:37):
Yeah, that's right.
Angry Anderson (06:40):
But she was at least honest enough.
She said look, I'm too young toremember when you started and
all that.
I realise it's nearly 50 yearsand you're ready to retire and
all that kind of stuff.
And she said but I've read alittle bit about the band.
She said it's fascinating whatI've read.
And I said well, you know, likemost bands, if not all bands,
(07:06):
it's been a real journey, like Imean, I've been in the band or
I've been the only singer in theband anyway, so more than half
my life.
Cheryl Lee (07:16):
Yeah, oh, absolutely .
And I was just going to saybefore we start chatting about
the ongoing tour at the momentand the special things coming up
, what is this Monday morningbusiness angry?
At this time of day?
This is not very rock starhours.
Angry Anderson (07:38):
Well, yeah, no, it's funny about that.
I've just got to go and turnthis radio off, okie dokie.
When I got home from yesterdaywe drove home because we're in
New South Wales, because youknow we only work Friday and
(07:59):
Saturday these days, and yeah,so you know it's Monday's
washing day.
It's also, you know, thedomestics like because I went
away for a weekend, so thekitchen looks like a fucking
bomb in it.
But anyway, having said that,apart from the Saturday and
(08:24):
possibly the Sunday morning, Imade it my habit years and years
and years ago when I wastraining and stuff, because I
spent so many years of you know,some time ago, you know not
getting up until like lunchtime,you know, and I thought, well,
(08:48):
if there's going to be this youknow, seismic shift, we might as
well go all the way.
So I decided that I was goingto make changes, in the sense
that I was going to have newexperiences.
Cheryl Lee (09:09):
And better health wealth.
Well, there's that as well,yeah, absolutely Sorry go on.
Angry Anderson (09:17):
Well, apart from Friday, you know, after the gig
there's a bit of drinking done.
Saturday the same.
But you know we it's funny, youknow, because, uh, in relation
to having to get up to travelhome on the sunday, usually, um,
yeah, we sort of pretty muchtake it so it's kind of friday's
(09:38):
our party night and um, becausewe're all the same, you know,
we're all the same, we're allthe same.
Cheryl Lee (09:52):
I was scared.
Angry Anderson (09:53):
I was going to sleep through the alarm.
Anyway, here we are.
Mine goes off at five and if Ihaven't woken up before that,
you know, for obvious reasons,five, you know I'm b.
Cheryl Lee (10:11):
if I'm, you know I'm being um that's it, but then
again I'm, I'm in bed by likeeight.
Angry Anderson (10:14):
Oh okay, yeah, I like to go even even earlier
sometimes because I like to readwhat does it say?
Cheryl Lee (10:20):
uh, early to bed, early to rise, mate, yeah
something healthy, wealthy andwise that's it very good now.
Um, we last spoke.
Can you believe it?
It's nearly three years ago now, so it's about time we sat down
and had another chat, isn't itright, oh?
Angry Anderson (10:37):
yep, yeah, I just.
I'm just asking you over yourleft shoulder?
Cheryl Lee (10:45):
Yes, yes, there's a series of multicoloured clocks
or radios.
Yeah, well, a couple of themare radios.
Oh okay, the big ones are radioand the little little
itty-bitty ones are radio.
The big ones are radio and thelittle little itty-bitty ones
(11:06):
are radio.
The others are biscuit tinsthat look like radios, the
old-fashioned radios.
Angry Anderson (11:11):
Really.
Cheryl Lee (11:12):
Yeah, I just loved them, plus I felt, like some
biscuits, absolutely.
I mean bonus bonus, I knowright, yeah, no, they're cute,
aren't they?
Angry Anderson (11:23):
They are, they're really cute.
I was saying I've got myoriginal transistor radio.
I've kept it all these yearsbecause it was my first real
personal, you know, becausetransistors were, you know the
(11:48):
thing, in those days they werenew and obviously they were new,
and because I remember havinglike a crystal radio, which was
they were big in those days, andI had a.
Later on, when I was working, Ibought myself a small like a
(12:10):
bookcase-type radio, dark brownin colour, you know.
Yeah, and it was amazing.
You know, it was run by valvesand at night, particularly at
night, I could tune in.
I had a wire going out thewindow and going up what was
(12:33):
called the stink pole and wasscratched a bit of paint off and
wound the aerial so it wasquite high on the roof, wound
the aerial, so it was quite highon the roof and especially at
night I was able to tune it very, very delicately and I could
(12:54):
get like any place in Australiabut I used to get like Radio
Moresby, port Moresby.
I used to get, you know,asiatic countries.
Cheryl Lee (13:05):
Yeah, well, my husband's from country Victoria.
That's just the reason I askedabout the fires, because we've
lost two houses.
Luckily, both of them are emptyand we nearly lost an inhabited
one yesterday, inhabited by his90-year-old mother.
But he says exactly the samething.
When he was a lad, he didexactly what you did with the
(13:29):
wire and you could get forever.
Angry Anderson (13:33):
Well, it goes to show.
You know, it's like one ofthose crazy things, crazy
contradictions, I call them.
I remember years ago when I wasdoing television and we went
out, we did a couple of, we dida program after midday with ray
yep um, he moved on to currentaffair and I moved on with him
(13:54):
and we were given this idea fora program called the challenge.
and um, we went out and it tookon seemingly impossible or
extremely difficult challenges,and you know, because television
could get things done becauseof the persuasion of exposure
(14:15):
and all that kind of stuff.
And we did two over those years.
I think we did challenge forabout six or seven years.
And we did Challenge for aboutsix or seven years and we did
two Challenges One was forFarmhand and the other one was a
government initiative to dowith farming.
(14:37):
So during the first one we didwas during the drought and we
organised a train full of foodand fodder for animals et cetera
, and we started in Melbourne,victoria, and the train went all
.
It was the largest train everassembled and it was so long and
(15:04):
so heavy.
it took four diesel drivers, twoat the front, two at the back,
pushing and we went all, all theway into into Queensland to a
place called Texas, which isjust over the border.
But anyway, having said that, Ifound out a lot of stuff about
farming on the way.
(15:24):
You know, because we did a lotof research et cetera, and it
shows you how not always theright decisions are made, but
you know analogue farms.
Cheryl Lee (15:35):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (15:36):
I remember talking to a farmer and we were
out the back of bum-fuck,nowhere like really really out
out.
It was a sheep farm and um anduh, you know he had a, an analog
.
Well, the only phones around inthose days were analog.
And when it years later, um, weknew it was going to change to
(16:02):
digital and he said, you know,like a lot of things the
government do, it doesn't makeany sense in the reality, he
said, because analogue can gothrough mountains.
Cheryl Lee (16:15):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (16:16):
So there's no loss of signal.
You know it's a penetrativething, it's just like it's just
all pervading.
So it's fabulous serviceeverywhere in the in the country
, doesn't matter how far outfrom you know like, because it's
just that system.
Yeah, they change to digitaland we still, to this day,
(16:36):
haven't got it right no, oh,absolutely not.
Cheryl Lee (16:39):
I work during the day.
Normally I'm working from home.
When the internet goes down, wecan't do anything, even make a
phone call, our phone, theinternet, everything we do is
internet and we just can't do athing.
Yeah, yeah, we need to, neededto have kept one of those old
analog phones.
Angry Anderson (16:59):
Well now, now what I?
Yeah, I actually kept a boxfull of them, like every phone I
ever owned, and it got to.
I don't know maybe you know,like probably four, five, six,
seven, eight phones like alldifferent sizes and shapes, like
there was a flip phone, youknow there was one about that
big, you know, like about thesize of two matchboxes.
(17:24):
They got smaller and smallerand smaller.
Now they're going back theother way.
They're getting bigger.
I saw a lady at the mall theother day and she had my laptop.
It was about it'd have to behalf the size laptop, ipad, like
(17:44):
that's pretty much a normalsize, you know iPad, and it
would have to have been, yeah,half the space of it.
It was huge, a young Maoriwoman and you know it.
(18:05):
Just yeah, it was justincredible.
Anyway, let's get into it.
Cheryl Lee (18:09):
Righto.
So yeah, like you said, theband was formed in 1976, so
you've got your 50th anniversarynext year.
Yes, Any big plans forcelebration?
Angry Anderson (18:25):
Well, it's the end of the band for a start, so
that's.
I wouldn't call it acelebration, but there'll be a
wonderful wake that I think willbe held over a series.
Well, we plan to have it over aseries of days.
I mean we will tour asextensively as we can in the
(18:47):
first half of the year.
In the middle of the year, ofcourse, we'll go to Europe for
about four, maybe six weeks anddo a farewell there.
There's a promoter in Americawho's desperately trying to get
some way around the ridiculouscosts involved that have come
(19:10):
about in the last gee within,well, since the plague.
Cheryl Lee (19:13):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (19:15):
For some reason, all the prices for visas et
cetera and all the paperwork'sgone through the roof.
So it's made it very, verydifficult for us to afford to do
that process.
But we'll definitely do Europe.
I think we're doing five or sixcountries from what I've heard.
Awesome, yeah, so that's kindof a usual tour for us.
Cheryl Lee (19:41):
Well, I thought this one was this current one was
big because, like you say,you're in the throes of it.
You've worked last weekend,I've got all your dates here.
You're going everywhere, manincluding.
So we've got two more inAustralia and then, is this
right, You're going toCalifornia to Whiskey and Coco.
Angry Anderson (20:05):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, that was supposed to be a
secret.
No, I don't mean in reflectionto what you've said, because the
news got out weeks ago and theyeah, really, so you're off the
(20:26):
hook there.
So, um, yeah, what happened wasthat um, um, the guy that runs
um whiskey, a go-go, um, hasbeen desperately trying to get
us to go there.
And, uh, we're going over toflorida, or I think it's out of
orlando.
I'm not sure we land in orlando, but out of Florida.
(20:50):
There's a thing called Monstersof Rock.
It's a rock heavy rock cruise.
Cheryl Lee (20:53):
Oh, yep, yep.
Angry Anderson (20:55):
And through the I was corrected.
Yeah, because I remember sayingto a podcaster I said, oh, yeah
, we're coming.
This is some years ago.
We're coming over to do theMonsters of Rock cruise through
the Caribbean and he said, wowoh yeah, we pronounce it
Caribbean.
I went, oh yeah, whatever youknow, like I'm from Melbourne.
Cheryl Lee (21:17):
I say dance.
Angry Anderson (21:18):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, Newcastle, Anyway.
So I stand corrected, theCaribbean, which is far more
exotic and romantic sounding.
You know the pirates of theCaribbean, you know all that
shit.
So, yeah, we'll go over and dothat.
Anyway, he heard we were comingand he said and we always stay
(21:42):
in Los Angeles for a couple ofdays to rehearse and to meet the
crew and all that kind of stuff, you know.
And so the organisers used todo a couple of nights at the
Whiskey before we go on thiscruise, Nice.
Cheryl Lee (22:02):
Lucky day.
Angry Anderson (22:02):
Yeah, absolutely , we've done the cruise a few
times and it's, you know, I meanI like cruises, I mean it's
just the whole romantic thingabout being at sea.
You know all that shit.
Cheryl Lee (22:16):
I like it too.
I love cruising.
Some people don't like it, butyou know I'm with you.
It's a great holiday.
Unpack once, go everywherepools, spas, massage, yeah, yeah
, yeah.
Angry Anderson (22:29):
Yeah, and one of the guys in Ronnie Simmons
who's playing guitar with ushe's played with when he was
living in Los Angeles.
He lived there for 10 yearsbefore he came back to join the
band a couple of years ago andhe so last time we did the ship,
(22:52):
one of his old his bands thathe played with was on the ship
and the bass player, who's areal ladies' man, you know, he
says he himself is a bit likemost of them.
Do you know like and why not?
I mean, you know it's part ofthe experience Rock and roll.
He said yeah, he said the greatthing about being mean.
Cheryl Lee (23:12):
You know it's part of the experience.
Angry Anderson (23:12):
Rock and roll.
He said, yeah, he said thegreat thing about being there.
You know there's only so manyplaces they can hide.
That's true.
Yeah, really, it's like you'replaying to a captive audience in
a sense, but of course it goesback the other way.
You can't hide either.
(23:38):
Well, you can, but you've justgot to stay in your cabin, you
know, and it's like, if you know, it's quite a flattering story.
But you know, there was thislady who took a bit of a shine
to me and, yeah, she just, nomatter where I went, I bumped
into her, you know, and it wasjust yeah.
Cheryl Lee (23:59):
Oh, and have you ever done Rock the Boat here in
Australia?
Angry Anderson (24:04):
Yeah, we did some years ago.
Well, I did as the AA band andyou know some really really good
players, some wonderful playerson several different lineups I
put together and we were doingit.
(24:25):
I think you do it every likesecond year.
They have most of the main actsthey don't have, although
they've sort of fallen into thishaving the same people over and
over again.
But yeah, the guy that does it,he won't work the tats on the
(24:47):
crews.
He said so after missing out,our management put up because
our manager manages a half adozen of big-name bands and he
kept sort of saying well, whenare you going to put the tats on
?
Cheryl Lee (25:08):
Did you misbehave?
Angry Anderson (25:11):
No, no, certainly not no not these days.
Well, not really, notoffensively anyway, but yeah, no
, for some reason.
He said, oh, you know, I've hadAngry do this and do that.
He said, so, you know, oh, yeah, he can do another Angry band,
you know.
And I said, no, the band I'm,you know, the tats are working
(25:34):
now, yeah, so that's it.
Cheryl Lee (25:35):
It's the band.
Angry Anderson (25:36):
I don't yeah.
I don't have a like a sub bandor a b band or a.
You know a side, you know Ilove that side, that terminology
on face, but you know they'vegot my side chick, you know, or
my side guy.
You know, like on the side, youknow it's like I don't do that.
Cheryl Lee (25:55):
Oh well, so then you're back here for Rocket the
Races.
A few more things and then howexciting is this?
You've got the Red Hot SummerTour with ZZ Top and George
Barragood and the Destroyers forsix I think six shows, yeah.
Angry Anderson (26:16):
Actually the good news for punters that want
to see the top and theDestroyers is they are doing
shows just the two of them andthey're doing smaller venues and
they'll happen after we've donethat run.
(26:37):
Yeah, that's a great line-up.
Another one of Scotty, ourmanager's bands Baby Animals
they're on it.
Living End yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you know it's a terrificline-up, but you know they'll be
obviously race courses and likebig, big venues outside.
Know, it's a terrific lot, butyou know there'll be obviously
race courses and like big, bigvenues outside stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
Cheryl Lee (26:57):
Now are you sure, though, that you do want to do
Rocket the Races?
Because you're going to missout on the event of the season
on March the 22nd?
You're going to miss out on my60th birthday, Bugger.
Yeah, I know.
Angry Anderson (27:15):
Didn't you get your people to speak to my
people first?
No, well, obviously someone'skept it from me.
Someone's got to be in trouble.
Cheryl Lee (27:22):
Someone's head's got to roll.
Angry Anderson (27:26):
Bolts and bottoms will be kicked.
Cheryl Lee (27:31):
And then after that you've still got a few more
dates.
So I think you're living proof,Angry, that rock and roll is
the fountain of youth.
Angry Anderson (27:40):
Well, yes, I think there's whisperings or
murmurings out there that onepretty unkind person said
obviously not a fan, obviouslynot a fan.
And said you know, blah, blah,blah.
(28:01):
We've only got a couple ofyears to wait and then we'll
never hear from him again.
So I think it's got to do with.
I sniff the whiff of you knowhe's a socialist or a communist
or a lefty and doesn't like mypolitics.
Cheryl Lee (28:23):
Yeah, I was going to say I reckon that sounds
political.
Angry Anderson (28:25):
Yes, doesn't it.
Cheryl Lee (28:28):
Right and.
Angry Anderson (28:28):
I love the.
I'm not sure if it was OscarWilde, because he's one of my
favourites for quotes, but itgoes along the lines that you
know, if you haven't offendedanybody, you're not really doing
it either.
Cheryl Lee (28:45):
Yeah, that's right, especially these days.
Angry Anderson (28:49):
Oh well, it's so easy these days.
I mean, you know, like I justsaw a great delight, and I take
great delight in it on severaldifferent levels, and one, quite
seriously, intellectuallyserious, is that they are now
going to have, pardon me, and alot of damage has been done, but
(29:11):
they're finally going to have.
They've been forced into aposition where they're going to
have to have a public debatebased on the scientific data
about puberty blockers andphysical mutilation of
particularly girls in earlypuberty and early teenage years.
(29:35):
So they're going to have thispublic inquiry into it, which it
should have happened years ago,you know.
But I mean the other thing too,which is, you know, there's a
lot of things that are happeningwhich shouldn't be happening.
(29:55):
You know, like quite seriousissues to deal with, and a lot
of them have got to deal withwomen, with females.
You know, like the lesser ofevils, I suppose, is like
allowing biological males toassume the identity of a female
(30:15):
so they can play in female sport.
Yeah, I think it's like assume.
Okay, when you assume something, having been married once, I
don't assume anything when itcomes to women and relationships
.
(30:36):
And the other word which I thinkis identify.
You know, just because youidentify doesn't make it real
and you know, it's one of thethings that I think you know.
Terminology, like the wayterminology does change to the
point where they even you knowthey include modern sort of I
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can't remember what the word is,but the words that come into
the language and for some reasonthey, it's like wellness.
Cheryl Lee (31:14):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (31:14):
You know, wellness really, I mean that's
just health.
I get health.
Are you well?
Thank you, yes, I am.
I hope you're well.
But wellness, but now it'saccepted as a real word, you
know.
But one of the other not muchoffends me anyway, but
(31:38):
influences, you know.
Yeah, you know what.
I mean Like fuck off, I meaninfluences.
Cheryl Lee (31:46):
Well, I guess the thing is that anything that
brings about, you know, publicdebate on topics, the public
debate, has to be a good thing.
Angry Anderson (31:54):
Yes.
Cheryl Lee (31:54):
Yeah, so I was going to go backwards a little bit,
by the way, angry.
How long have we got?
They didn't say Are you goingto give me the wind-up when you
need to go?
Well, I don't know, don't thesethings time out?
I don't know, they might.
Angry Anderson (32:11):
Zooms.
I mean, Don't they have a?
Cheryl Lee (32:13):
Well, we talked about the important things, okay
, so.
Angry Anderson (32:18):
Which are.
Cheryl Lee (32:20):
Back a little bit.
Yeah, okay, Because you know Idon't think it's any secret that
you had a bit of a rough andtumble and sometimes difficult
upbringing.
And at one day, that's sodelicately put.
Angry Anderson (32:40):
Yes, yeah, a bit rough and tumble is a nice way
of putting it.
I've had to.
The wonderful publishing houseof Harper and Collins approached
me well a couple of years agoand I wasn't ready, but they
were interested in doing my lifestory, so to speak, and I'm
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working with a wonderful youngbloke as a ghost writer, as a
ghostwriter writer, and, yeah,so it's by thinking long and
deeply about the past, which I'mnot afraid to do anymore.
I had a lot of some years ago.
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I had quite a bit of therapyand sorted a lot of stuff out
and I've been able to talk tocousins and in some cases
aunties or uncles over the lastsort of 10, 15 years and I was
(33:53):
able to put peace together.
You know, like the whole and itwas you can't try and deal with
being.
I'm no longer a victim ofpedophilia, I am a survivor of
it and there's a real, realdifference there, obviously.
(34:15):
But when you go through thetherapeutic process to confront
that as your past right which is, and unfortunately, what
happens?
You know, I was such a clichecase that up until I had therapy
I was carrying it around, youknow, and it was always in the
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back of my mind.
You know and I I sort of dealtwith with drugs and alcohol and,
and you know, bad behavior yeahreally, um, because, know you,
don't, you know we're notequipped to.
But I mean, I am concerned thatsome of the methods these days
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that I mean chemical, likesedation, when kids like myself
are trying, you know, in theirteenage years or whatever, and
they've got these sort ofrepressed memories and they
don't want to deal with it orthey don't know how to deal with
it, you know.
Cheryl Lee (35:25):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (35:27):
One of the worst things that you can do because
well, in my opinion, becauseI've been there and done it is
to try and not deal with it.
Cheryl Lee (35:37):
Yeah, Through alcohol and drugs.
It just doesn't go away, doesit no?
Angry Anderson (35:40):
it's not ever going to, you know, and I'll
never be free of it.
But the depression that I feltfor all those years, and, you
know, massive depression fromtime to time where particularly
in my, you know, if it hadn'thave been for rock and roll, I
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don't know what would havehappened, because there were
periods of time there where andit wasn't anxiety, it was just
massive depression where I justcould not function so rock and
roll really did save your lifeabsolutely yeah without a doubt.
Yeah, without a doubt.
Yeah, because it gave me.
(36:23):
It gave me an outlet for allthis anger and this sadness.
Because what happens and we,you know, we discussed this, we
discussed this dynamic at greatlength in therapy was that there
is a great sadness attached tothe child because they,
(36:46):
instinctively, we know that thisis wrong.
You know that this is wrong,you know, but you look around
and you know, like my mothersaid to me years later if only
I'd known the extent of it.
You know, she knew there wassomething wrong with me, but I
(37:11):
don't know why I didn't spell itout.
Yeah, and I remember talking tothe therapist about it and he
said what about the fact youmight have been protecting?
In other words, what hesuggested to me was that,
because my mother was the, youknow, the love of my life, I
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didn't want to cause it.
She was going through enough asit was.
Cheryl Lee (37:38):
So you were in a way protecting her.
Angry Anderson (37:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Cheryl Lee (37:42):
Well, kids will do that for their parents, won't
they?
Angry Anderson (37:45):
Yes, yeah, absolutely yeah.
And that's a dynamic which isstarting to emerge now through
psychotherapists.
And when I say counselling, notso much counselling but
therapists, that my experiencewas with a psychotherapist,
(38:09):
because he's a psychiatrist buthe doesn't want to deal with
drugs, he doesn't want to treatyou know, because psychiatry is
about a mental illness likeschizophrenia or something
that's like a mental conditionwhich is the condition of the
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mind.
Cheryl Lee (38:34):
Yep.
Angry Anderson (38:35):
Whereas depression manifests itself
through your behaviour, but it'san emotional thing.
Cheryl Lee (38:44):
Yeah, that's right.
Angry Anderson (38:45):
And that's what we should be telling parents and
kids and teachers that you knowlike.
Just because the kid isdepressed now, the child must be
told at a very, very early ageyou can work with this, you can
work through this.
You don't have to be a victim.
Cheryl Lee (39:06):
Yeah, and you don't have to have it forever.
Angry Anderson (39:09):
No, no, it's like being an alcoholic.
You know they're 20 years soberand they get up at every meet
and say you know, my name isblah blah and I'm an alcoholic.
They haven't had a drink for 20or 30 years.
But there's the propensity, orit lurks there.
It's like depression.
You know, whenever I feel, youknow, and you know, and you know
(39:33):
, since we lost Liam, depressioncomes and goes, it's constant,
it's just there, you know todayis actually today is his
birthday, so it's apart fromthis little um oasis, if you
(39:59):
like, um, I will busy myselfaround, as I do anyway most days
, doing something around thehouse, but I will, I'll put
myself to task and centre my,you know, like thinking, doing,
thinking, doing, you know.
So I'm not going to sit aroundand just Allow it to take over.
Cheryl Lee (40:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Angry Anderson (40:26):
Otherwise it'll just swallow me up.
Cheryl Lee (40:27):
Yeah Well, let's go back a little bit.
I was going to talk about yourvery first band for just two
seconds.
Bust a book, bust a book, noactually the band.
Angry Anderson (40:41):
the first band that I actually worked publicly
with was a band called the Weboh, yeah.
And I didn't last very long inthat band.
A terrific bunch of youngblokes there was.
(41:02):
The drummer was a Maltese kidand the bass player and the two
guitar players was Italian,because where I grew up in
Melbourne Pasco Vale was only acouple of miles away was
Brunswick, where the big Italianpopulation was.
(41:23):
So that was my very first bandand then they were moving in a
direction musically and I wantedto go much more into the blues
and I formed a band with somefellas and called Peace, power
and Purity.
Cheryl Lee (41:43):
Oh.
Angry Anderson (41:45):
Yeah, I had hair down on my elbows and, you know
, wore a fringe jacket.
You know, very early 70s andthen after Peace Bound, purity,
there was a couple of lineups ofthe same name and still I
wanted to go further, somesomehow, and that's when I
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joined Buster.
Cheryl Lee (42:09):
Yeah, well, the reason I picked up on that was
because I've been researchingSunbury.
I'm doing a special on Coast FMon the Sunbury Music Festival.
Oh, there's Angry and BusterBrown in the first Sunbury.
Yeah, can you?
Angry Anderson (42:27):
remember it Vaguely Vaguely, there was a lot
going on in those days.
Cheryl Lee (42:37):
And I do love this.
Sorry, go on, do you love?
I love the story of how you gotto be the singer in Rose Tattoo
, because I think early on youwanted to be Bob Dylan and you
wanted to be John Lennon, butthe band already had three, was
(42:57):
it?
Or four, guitarists.
Angry Anderson (43:01):
Oh yeah, no, this was the early, early bands.
This was pre Peace, Power andPurity.
This was between the web and Iwas just there was a bunch of us
trying to find some sort ofmusical direction.
(43:25):
And you know, like, what do wewant to play?
And you know, there was allthis new and exciting music
coming out.
You know, like there was theBeatles and exciting music
coming out.
You know, like there was theBeatles, the Rolling Stones, the
Animals, the Kinks, all thosekind of bands and, um, so we
were desperate.
There's this bunch of young.
We were very young in our teensin those days.
(43:47):
We were desperate to get a bandtogether and some of us had
been at school together techschool and we'd met a couple of
other blokes in the area,because it soon became known who
was interested in forming bands.
And so, yeah, there was aboutsix of us for that first band.
And I remember I had a guitarand a little amp, tiny little
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amp, and couldn't play it.
You know, we were all trying tolearn as quickly as we could.
And anyway, we were having aband practice at one time at one
(44:33):
of the guys' places and I said,look, we've got to have a
singer, We've got to have asinger.
And you know I thought you know, okay, yeah, we've got to have
a singer.
I didn't want to be a singer,you know which is funny eh yeah,
you are.
So anyway, we said righto.
Cheryl Lee (44:58):
The mother of this boy said I tell you what one by
one, we'll go into the loungeroom and sing along to a record.
Angry Anderson (45:07):
Twist and shout, was it?
Yes, it was.
You've done well, girl, butthat was the song that I got,
and yeah, so at the end of that,the four of us sang, you know,
through songs and she said, yeah, well, did you get the short
straw?
Yeah, she said well, you'reobviously the best, so you've
(45:31):
got to be the singer.
So there went your guitar career, yeah well, I gave the guitar
to one of the other guys who wasactually starting to play.
You know, I'd only owned theguitar for a few weeks, like you
know.
Cheryl Lee (45:47):
Well, it must have been meant to be in the rest, as
they say.
Angry Anderson (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, and I am a great believer in that.
There is a design out there,written in the stars, that
that's our fate, our destiny,more to the point, our destiny.
And I think some things aredestined to be, and I think
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there's a wisdom are destined tobe and I think there's a wisdom
.
There's a wisdom attached tohaving faith.
It's not that sort of dogmaticfaith about, well, everything is
predestined, in a sense thatyou know there's some sort of
(46:33):
control, there's a spontaneityto everything.
That is its own reward, if youlike, and it's its own reason
for being, and that's why Ialways say you know, it's
written in the stars.
Yeah, it's a turn of phrasethat I borrowed from the
ancients, but it's a turn ofphrase that I borrowed from the
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ancients.
I remember reading a book yearsand years and years ago about
the possible origins of ourcivilisation or life as we know
it, and there was that phrasethat just caught my eye that
it's you know, all that has beenand all that will be is written
in the stars.
Cheryl Lee (47:19):
Now I am a bit afraid that we're going to get
cut off, so I want to talk aboutthe one other important thing.
Yeah, and then we can continuechat until we.
Angry Anderson (47:31):
Until they cut us off.
Cheryl Lee (47:32):
Yeah, go into the Twitterverse.
Continue chat until we, untilthey cut us off.
Yeah, going to the TwitterverseBecause you guys have got a new
single coming out this month.
Yes, yes, and you can free saveit right now.
Angry Anderson (47:45):
I think it's next week or possibly next week
or the week after.
Yeah, possibly, I don't know.
I've done my part.
Yeah, it's another StevieWright cover.
We covered Black Eyed Bruiseron our last album, which was the
last album that we did withMick and I as co-writing the
(48:11):
albums, because he and I apartfrom Scarred for Life, which was
a co-write with predominantlywith Robin Riley because he
replaced Mick in the line-up butMick and I wrote most of the
songs on Outlaws and Assault andBattery and he and I wrote most
(48:33):
of the songs on Blood Brothers.
Yeah, that was the last album.
I was desperate to get it done.
I'd had a lot of the lyriccontent as ideas for some years
and there's a couple of trackson it that go back to when mick
(48:55):
and I wrote salt and battery andone of them's called creeper
and um, which was I.
I'd just been reading a lotabout this this new thing called
a serial killing, serialkillers and um.
The book that that got mekillers and the book that got me
started on this was the MoorsMurderers.
(49:19):
There was a husband and wife inEngland and then there was the
Sutcliffe, but then I went outand I thought, well, okay.
So I went back and I readprobably three or four different
books on Jack the Ripper.
(49:41):
They reckon they just as apiece of trivia.
They reckon they've identifiedthe person through DNA.
And that's only happened inrecent months.
Oh wow, but yeah.
So there's a couple of lyricideas that we were writing or
working on back in those daysthat never made the cut so all
(50:04):
these years later.
So we covered Stephen King,who's back playing bass with us
for a while.
And Stephen King, who's backplaying bass with us for a while
.
He came with the idea.
He came to rehearsal one dayand said he'd been working with
(50:31):
Mick Black Eyed Bruiser.
Yeah, and he said, well,lyrically, it really suits the
band and you know so Mick hadgiven it a tougher treatment
guitar-wise.
And yeah, so we put it down asa demo and Mark Goberts, who
produced the album, just lovedit so much.
(50:54):
He said let's do a version,let's record.
And it came up trumps.
And so I got in touch withStevie.
I said look, we've covered,because I've always been a
massive Stevie Wright fan, amassive Easy Beats fan.
Cheryl Lee (51:11):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (51:12):
Long before we joined Alberts, you know, as a
production and as a label.
But, and yeah, stevie said, oh,I just love it, I love it.
And he said why didn't you dothe middle part?
And I said, well, because wewant, we wanted it to be
(51:32):
belligerently rose tattoo, wewanted to draw the essence and
give it our you know, like ourtake on it.
And he said, yeah, it's reallycool.
He said I'm not unhappy thatyou left that bit out.
Oh, because what I said to himwas I said, mate, that's you, I
(51:57):
mean the whole thing's him.
But you know, like, that middlesection, the quiet part that's
Stevie reflecting, you know,like, all I want is, you know,
some love and understandingBecause, as we both know, stevie
was a very damaged human being.
(52:18):
I mean, he'd taken a lot ofdamage over his life, which is
another thing he and I had incommon as friends.
So, yeah, so he loved theversion so much.
Anyway, I told him when he'dhad the track for a few weeks
(52:40):
and I rang him up and said whatdo you think?
He says it's amazing, I love it, I love it and anyway, so next
time we got together I saidthere's a few other songs of
yours that I'd like to cover,either as the tats or as a solo
effort on my part.
And Hard Road was the next one.
(53:01):
I said, well, it's almost likeit was written for me.
And he said, well, yeah, it was.
Cheryl Lee (53:08):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (53:09):
Because it was written.
No, he didn't write it for me,but he wrote it for what I now
Road Warriors, you know.
Cheryl Lee (53:22):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (53:23):
The real rock and roll outlaws of.
You know, stevie was way, way,way in the beginning, of course,
and you know, then there waspeople like you know, that
wonderful productive era ofmusic that Albert's helped
launch into the world.
Cheryl Lee (53:41):
Yeah, oh definitely.
Angry Anderson (53:42):
You know, and there was.
So we all were.
You know, we were warriors ofthe road.
We were, you know, tried andtrue, hardened, you know, in the
battlefield of pubs and thatlifestyle.
And that's what he meant whenhe said yeah, well, it was.
Cheryl Lee (54:02):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (54:03):
Because it was written about all us guys Pub
bands on the road.
Cheryl Lee (54:10):
Yeah, one town to the next town to the next town.
Yeah, yeah, so it's called HardRoad and it's out in February
and people get onto theGoogle-o-meter because you can
pre-save it now, which is a goodthing to do.
Oh, okay.
Angry Anderson (54:26):
So it's like available on.
Cheryl Lee (54:29):
Yeah, you can go onto your you know platform of
choice and like pre-save it,which I believe is like
pre-ordering it, yep, and thenit'll just appear like magic,
like voodoo, into your musicthing, right, yeah?
Angry Anderson (54:46):
right.
Well, fortunately I know peoplewho know people.
So, yeah, not the finishedproduct, but I think close to
the finished product on my phone.
Um, yeah, no, it's.
When I say the finished product, yes, it is, it's um, what they
(55:07):
call mastered.
Oh, yep, so it's the one that'sgot.
I've got the version.
I've got about six versions ofall different stages of mixing
and stuff and um, yeah, um, I've.
So, yeah, I've got, I've gotwhat will be released.
Um, and the good thing about too, is that um, um, because of,
(55:31):
and this is the plus attached tothe accessibility through, you
know, the device is that it'llbe accessible to everybody.
Cheryl Lee (55:42):
Yeah, Now just for the Adelaideans listening.
I think it might be your secondto last gig on this particular
tour.
Adelaideans, put this one inyour diary.
24th of May, the Rosie Tats areat our Emu Hotel in Moorford
(56:03):
Vale, so I shall see you downthe front at the.
Angry Anderson (56:08):
Emu Right Now.
All you've got to do is talk toCatherine and she'll arrange
all that.
So come you know, woulddaughter want to come?
Cheryl Lee (56:21):
Danielle, I could ask her.
Yeah, now one other questionthat I wanted to ask you before
we do a goodbye, before we get,because it reminded me when you
mentioned Rob Riley, because Ihave a TV show here in Adelaide
(56:43):
on our local community station,a music show a weekly.
He lives there, sorry, he livesthere in.
Adelaide.
He does correct.
Yes, yeah, so I'm in charge ofthe Legends series of Ryder TV
(57:04):
and I was wondering if, when youcame to the EU, you might like
to spend a little bit of timewith me in front of the camera
and let me interview you.
As part of my Legends series,I've interviewed Rob, and Rob
and Glenn Shorick.
Angry Anderson (57:21):
Who I think is one of the greatest rock and
roll players in the world.
Cheryl Lee (57:25):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (57:26):
Like in the world?
Cheryl Lee (57:28):
Oh, absolutely, we did it in his man shed.
Have you seen his man shed?
Angry Anderson (57:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I have, wow, his man shed.
Have you seen his man shed?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah.
Have you got a man shed?
No, I've got a carport.
Yeah, no, I've got a shack.
(57:56):
There's a, there's a.
It has been a bedroom actuallyfor well.
All the boys have been in thereat one stage when they wanted
to be outside the house.
And so there's the carport,then there's what we call the
shack, and then there's a toolshed.
(58:16):
But you know, it's now my men'sshed, the shack, it's got my
stuff in it.
You know it's become more of astorage facility, you know, than
anything.
But yeah, I think there's a lotto be said, for I remember
(58:38):
years and years ago I was askedto help.
This is when I was doingtelevision.
I was asked to help launch theconcept of the man shed as an
Australia-wide initiative, andit was to get men together in
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groups and be mentored by oldermen.
Yeah the two men shared, yeah.
Yeah, and it was an effort totry and get men, because, not
that I think that many malesneed a safe place, but it was
(59:23):
the man's shed, the man cave hasalways represented.
You know like, well, that'sdad's turf, right?
Yeah, you don't go in thereunless he says come and watch TV
with me, you know whatever, butit's come and watch tv with me,
you know whatever, but it'sjust it's, it's just that's
dad's.
You know it's where he, youknow he builds up an old
(59:45):
motorcycle or you know like,well, like rob does, you know
like, restores an old vehicle,what you know, which would be
largely useless to anybody else,but but it's precious to him,
you know Dad, and it's where Dadcan go and just be, you know
like, if he wants to sit aroundand watch football with his
(01:00:06):
mates and drink beer and smokecigarettes or cigars or whatever
.
And so it's kind of yes, andwhat that represented to this
initiative.
The Man's Sh?
Shed was that place, you know,and they were.
There was a lot of talk inthose days about getting men
(01:00:28):
recognised, yeah.
Cheryl Lee (01:00:30):
Well, yeah.
And to get together and to talkand share and.
Angry Anderson (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, even predominantly in the early days
with just one another, withyour mates, right?
So which happens?
Uh, now I, I don't know.
Up until recently I, you know,I worked as a laborer for what
my one of my very best mates, um, um he's.
He was a plumber.
He's now retired, he retiredlast year, but he and I always
(01:00:59):
talked about stuff on the job.
Yeah, and you know, fridayswe'd go to the pub, you know,
because you'd knock off early,you'd go to the pub and have
beers, and we'd go to the footyand you know stuff.
But we were very relaxed withour inner feelings, which is why
I found that most the youngerblokes struggle with it the most
(01:01:24):
.
Cheryl Lee (01:01:25):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (01:01:25):
The older blokes , by the time you get to sort of
40, most blokes that I know hadno problem talking about
sensitive issues, personalissues with mates that they'd
known forever.
Yeah, because there was acertain amount of trust and
(01:01:46):
there's a certain amount of like.
Well, you tell me it doesn't goany further than this.
Cheryl Lee (01:01:51):
Exactly yeah.
Like you said that safe space.
Angry Anderson (01:01:54):
Yeah.
So when they turned around andsaid, oh, men, this and men,
that and men, I think I was likereally Some academic's going to
tell me that we don't know howto express our feelings and I
thought, no, well, fuck, that'sbullshit.
You know, because I'massociated with blokes.
You know blokes my whole lifeand so I know the way blokes
(01:02:20):
operate and you know most of usblokes because of our
experiences, because of we'renot worried about being
vulnerable with one another,because we know we'll keep one
another's secrets and that's noreflection on females or even
(01:02:41):
blokes that can't keep secrets,because you know there's people
who gossip in both genders.
But, yeah, so I used to thinkto myself no, no, no, I
understand what the seriousnessof that problem is.
You know that there are somemen who don't know for one
(01:03:03):
reason or another.
Cheryl Lee (01:03:04):
Who can't?
Or won't open up.
Angry Anderson (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, and there's always usually, when I
say usually, in most cases,there's a deep-seated,
deep-rooted reason They've beenbetrayed.
Yeah, yeah one way or anotheryeah you know, um, you know
that's one of the, the dynamicsthat we dealt with, dealing, uh,
(01:03:26):
you know with, with, um, umphysical abuse, um sexual abuse
and but also domestic violence.
You know, domestic abuse isthat?
Yeah, there was, there's this,there was always this thing that
(01:03:47):
you were trying to deal withand and men are like that, and
this is where where I concedethe point, so to speak.
I concede that silence is aman's way of dealing with
something.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:08):
It just doesn't sound easy and silence can be
his worst enemy.
Yes, yes it can Anyway.
Angry Anderson (01:04:15):
So, Angie, can I Talk about men's shed?
Cheryl Lee (01:04:18):
Would I speak to Kat ?
To try and organise half anhour with you for the telly.
Angry Anderson (01:04:24):
Yeah, what we could do, we would do it
probably at sound check or justbefore sound check.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:35):
Yeah, quite often do do that at the EMU.
Yeah, even in the green room.
Angry Anderson (01:04:44):
What's on your list there, because there'll be
two gigs.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:49):
In.
Angry Anderson (01:04:49):
Adelaide.
Well, there's always a Fridayand a Saturday.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:52):
Oh, I've only got one for the moment.
Angry Anderson (01:04:55):
Really yeah, okay, is it the Saturday or the
Friday?
Cheryl Lee (01:05:00):
May 24th, let me tell you, is a where's May,
march, april.
May 24th is a Saturday.
Angry Anderson (01:05:16):
So where's the Friday?
Cheryl Lee (01:05:18):
It would be the May the 23rd.
Angry Anderson (01:05:20):
Yeah, but where is it on your list?
Cheryl Lee (01:05:23):
No date for that one , no venue for the 23rd as yet.
Angry Anderson (01:05:28):
No.
Cheryl Lee (01:05:29):
Hmm, but we've got a bit of time.
Hmm, maybe it's yet to beconfirmed.
Angry Anderson (01:05:36):
I find that curious.
Or maybe it's just to beconfirmed.
I find that curious.
Cheryl Lee (01:05:38):
Or maybe it's just not been put on the webpage.
Angry Anderson (01:05:42):
Oh, I think all of them have.
Yeah, I mean we don't for justfor the practicality of expenses
et cetera.
We never work just the Fridayor just the Saturday, it's
always the two.
And sometimes it includes asession on the Sunday, a Sunday
(01:06:03):
session.
I love that.
Yeah, some of the Sundaysessions are pretty good.
We usually do a Sunday sessiondown in Tasmania and so knowing
that we've got a show on aSunday, you know we don't have
to travel like home.
Yeah.
(01:06:23):
So, it's another.
You know, like late night onthe Saturday night you get up
and you because there's alwaysthere's always been this thing
with bands is that sometimes,when you're just that little bit
, you know, hungover, worst forwear, so you're just a little
(01:06:46):
bit raggedy, some of your bestgigs, yeah, no, they are.
I mean, it's a common knownfact with any band.
Yeah, and particularly a Sunday, because it's early in the
afternoon and it's kind of like,oh fuck, you know, like really,
and you drag yourself there andthe fucking band is on fire.
Cheryl Lee (01:07:08):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (01:07:09):
It just goes off like a frog in a sock and you
know.
Cheryl Lee (01:07:13):
Yeah, it's just really cool Just when you least
expect it.
It's just like you know.
Yeah, it's just really coolJust when you least expect it.
Angry Anderson (01:07:17):
It's just like you know.
You just feel like that's not100%.
So maybe that's just thecatalyst, maybe I don't know,
but yeah, it's a common thingwith bands.
Cheryl Lee (01:07:27):
Yeah, when you're feeling a bit rough, when the
going gets tough, the tough getgoing.
Bingo All righty Well, I'lltalk to Kat about that.
And Going Bingo Alrighty Well,I'll talk to Kat about that.
Angry Anderson (01:07:43):
And fingers crossed, we can have another
chat for the telly.
And just mentioning Rob, thereason Kingy's back in the band
is because all the players overthe years that have been the
real members there's been peoplethat have come in through the
band as a line-up to help us outat one stage or another.
(01:08:05):
I think 31.
Well, yeah, I think that's a bitexaggerated, because there's
some people who played like agig, you know, like we needed a
bass player.
For some reason, whoever wasplaying bass was crook with the
flu.
We've got a mate to come andfill in, right, that's it.
(01:08:26):
Just do one gig, or maybe twoor three gigs.
It was just a fill in you knowlike so.
But Rob Riley and Geordie Lynchwill come back and play in the
lineup next year, which will beand hopefully we might even be
able to write and record somesongs.
Cheryl Lee (01:08:48):
Yeah, which will be cool Because you have been sort
of bringing in some of the past.
You know true members to playalong the way.
Angry Anderson (01:08:57):
Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
There's been so very few.
And Stephen, he did the BloodBrothers album.
He did probably four, five,maybe six tours, maybe even more
, I can't remember.
But you know, back in the daywhen Pete was still alive, and
(01:09:19):
so we did a lot of work inEurope with King.
He did a lot of work here too.
So, and Geordie, of course hetook over from Royal Islands, so
he was the longest serving bassplayer and Rob was in the band
for years was thelongest-serving bass player and
Rob was in the band for years.
So yeah, it'll be a real treatto have them come back and play.
Cheryl Lee (01:09:42):
Yeah.
Oh that'd be awesome.
Angry Anderson (01:09:50):
Well, it's a way of acknowledging the invaluable
contribution that only severalpeople have made, because
they've written some of the bestsongs.
Rob, you know, co-wrote some ofthe best songs we've ever
recorded on the Scarred for Lifealbum, you know.
And Geordie, like I said youknow, there's no better bass
player than Geordie.
(01:10:10):
He's a freak.
Cheryl Lee (01:10:13):
Yeah, yeah, you've had some great talent along the
way, oh yeah, yeah, demarco.
Angry Anderson (01:10:20):
you know he's a freak too, but it's like he's
always saying you know, as longas I can live up to Diggers
playing and I think DeMarco isone of the probably well, he's
my favourite rock and rolldrummer because he plays rock
and roll, he swings everythingbecause there's rock and there's
(01:10:43):
rock and roll and we playtraditional rock and roll.
It's like all of our roots andall of our influences come from
the 50s, when rock and roll waskey when rock and roll was real
rock and roll was key when rockand roll was real rock and roll.
Cheryl Lee (01:10:58):
yeah, Well, apart from having great players,
you've also supported some ortoured with some great bands as
well, like the Gunners.
Angry Anderson (01:11:10):
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I mean we were lucky
enough.
You know that time we spent inAmerica we toured with two of
the biggest names, which isAerosmith, yeah, and did a lot
of gigs with Aerosmith and a lotof gigs with ZZ Top.
But we toured in Europe acouple of years earlier with ZZ
(01:11:32):
Top when they made theircomeback album, earlier with ZZ
Top when they made theircomeback album, and so that's
when we first met them.
We were touring around withthem right extensively through
Europe and Britain and so, yeah,I mean, when you get to play
(01:11:53):
with people of that calibre, youknow ZZ Top have to be one of
the greatest rock and roll bandsever, you know.
Cheryl Lee (01:12:01):
You've had a pretty good rock and roll journey, is
the word you use?
Angry Anderson (01:12:06):
Absolutely yeah, and let's just get our
marketing cap on now.
Cheryl Lee (01:12:13):
It's been a long hard road, well done, marketing
cap on now.
It's been a long, hard road,well done.
Well, I'm going to quicklycongratulate you on 2006,
inducted into the aria hall offame.
Um, alongside you know lobbylloyd and also daddy, called the
diviners ice house hillley.
(01:12:34):
Again, great names there.
And what was the other thing Iwas going to say congratulations
for.
Angry Anderson (01:12:43):
I remember telling Pete because he was
dying at that stage and I wentto the hospital and I said, pete
, they're going to put us,they're going to, they've
nominated us, they're going togive us an ARIA Hall of Fame
award.
And he says I won't tell youexactly what he said, but he
(01:13:04):
said, fuck, you know, like I'vegot to die to get a fucking
award, I've got to get a ticket.
He said tell them to stick itup their arse.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:14):
Oh, and I remember last time when we spoke uh, you
know you were telling me howmuch you enjoyed working um on
beyond thunderdome.
Yeah, so since we spoke last,I've been to um monday monday,
the monday monday bash.
Oh yeah, I went to, you know,know.
Angry Anderson (01:13:34):
Mad Max.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:35):
Country.
Angry Anderson (01:13:37):
We're doing Monday, Monday next year.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:40):
Are you?
Yeah, have you done it before?
Angry Anderson (01:13:43):
No.
Oh it's awesome, actually, thatplumber that I was telling you
about who we became best mateson doing that movie.
He was the giant.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Angry Anderson (01:13:58):
Yeah, six foot nine tall, big fella, big fella.
Actually, I said to ajournalist once I was the
smallest bloke on the film andhe was the biggest bloke on the
film.
And then I thought, no, I saidoh fuck, I wasn't the smallest,
he was the biggest bloke on thefilm.
(01:14:22):
And then I thought, no, I saidoh fuck, I wasn't the smallest.
What?
Cheryl Lee (01:14:31):
was his name, the dwarf, you know.
Angry Anderson (01:14:32):
Oh, yeah, he sat on Paul's shoulders, he was
master and Paul was blaster.
Yeah, angelo, yeah, what agreat bloke, angelo, jeez.
I tell you what I mean.
He had some amazing storiesabout making films and stuff.
I bet, because he was in, itwas either Zeke Phil's Follies
(01:14:56):
or you know, there was acarnival show that they made.
They made a movie out of itabout the carnival troupe called
Freaks.
Yeah, he had some incrediblestories to tell, some which I
can't repeat.
Cheryl Lee (01:15:11):
No, save them for the book.
Angry Anderson (01:15:15):
Oh, no, no, I can't even well.
Well, it's not part of my story, you know, but I mean no.
Cheryl Lee (01:15:20):
So there's a Mad Max Museum In Silverton, you know
which is where Monday Monday isheld.
Have you been there?
Well, you can.
When you go to Monday Monday, Ican yes, I can.
They've got the car in thereand all sorts.
Angry Anderson (01:15:38):
Yeah, well, it's a funny story, you know, like
it's a curious story because Iremember saying to George at my
60th and I said you know, I'vemet half a dozen people who have
told me to my face they haveone of these original cars, you
(01:16:03):
know.
And George just looked at meand smiled and he goes yeah,
I've had people tell me that too, because George has got all the
original stuff.
Uh-huh, I'm like with all thecars because they smashed up,
from the first Mad Max to, youknow, the second and then, of
(01:16:23):
course, thunderdome.
I mean that car that I drove inThunderdome that got crashed
and smashed up three times.
Cheryl Lee (01:16:34):
Yeah, well, they do have a few wrecks at the museum.
Angry Anderson (01:16:39):
I think the Bigfoot which was my car.
I think that's at that museum.
Cheryl Lee (01:16:44):
Yeah, it might be, I reckon.
Angry Anderson (01:16:46):
It was a huge, huge vehicle.
Yeah, it had like tractor tyreson it and it was so much fun to
drive that thing.
It was just fucking amazing.
Cheryl Lee (01:16:59):
Oh you lucky duck.
Angry Anderson (01:17:01):
It had a big sort of fully blown, I think a
Chev 454 or something, agigantic V8 motor, I remember.
Cheryl Lee (01:17:15):
Down memory lane there, yeah, I was, I was.
I remember Down memory lanethere, yeah, I was.
Angry Anderson (01:17:19):
I remember when I first got in it and I had the
guy who built it with me and hesaid look, it's really good in a
straight line.
Just don't try and turn anycorners, particularly when you
get up over 60k right, or 60mile an hour, because that had
mile an hour gauges on it.
And I said why?
What will happen?
(01:17:39):
He says because it'll fall over, because it's so far off the
ground, right, these hugetractor tyres.
So I was all right, in astraight line you could drive it
, I just yeah.
Cheryl Lee (01:17:52):
Just don't turn.
Well, we were Monday Mondayvirgins.
We hadn't been either.
It is the best thing you know.
Out in the desert, no water, no, in the dust, camping, no
showers.
It's the best.
So I would really love to goagain this year, so I might even
(01:18:15):
see you down the front there aswell.
Well, we'll be there next year.
Oh, 2026?
Yes, Right.
Angry Anderson (01:18:28):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's next year.
Yeah, Awesome yeah.
Cheryl Lee (01:18:33):
All righty.
Well, I have taken up so muchof your time.
Oh, that's okay.
I've enjoyed myself.
It's been fabulous having agood old gas bag.
Angry Anderson (01:18:36):
Yeah, awesome, yeah, all righty.
Well, I have taken up so muchof your time.
Oh, that's okay, I've enjoyedmyself.
Cheryl Lee (01:18:38):
It's been fabulous having a good old gas bag.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, and we'll see you at theEMU, if not before.
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Well, I'll let you get on toyour jobs.
Angry Anderson (01:18:50):
Just get on to the lovely Catherine, I will do
Thank you.
Alright, mate See ya.
Cheryl Lee (01:18:56):
Bye, angry.
You're with Cheryl Lee, thatradio chick.
Thank you so much for joiningme on the Still Rocking it
podcast.
Hope to catch you again nexttime.
Get out when you can supportAussie music and I'll see you
down the front.
That Radio Chick Cheryl Lee here.
Welcome to the Still Rockin' itpodcast where we'll have music
news, reviews and interviewswith some of our favourite
Australian musicians and artists.
Today we catch up withAustralian music legend, Rose
Tattoo's frontman and foundingmember, Angry Anderson.
We're going to do thingsslightly different this time due
(00:24):
to two factors.
One, Mr Anderson does love achat, over an hour in fact.
And two, technology is fabulousuntil it's not.
I won't bore you with details,but due to catastrophic hard
drive failure here there's ahuge backlog of editing, so for
that reason this episode isnaked and uncut.
It's a long one, just Angry andI chatting on the Zoom warts
(00:47):
and all.
He's an amazing Australiantreasure and if you want to hear
all about his exploits, bothmusical and philanthropic, you
can listen to our first podcastchat a few years ago.
Or if you want to watch thiswhole thing, go to the YouTube
page Still Rockin' It That RadioCheryl Lee and see the whole
chat in the zoom room.
Or else just grab yourself acuppa and let's get started to
(01:10):
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au hello sorry I just had tohave a quick wee break.
Angry Anderson (01:26):
Yeah, that's fine, thank you.
Yes, lovely, I just recentlyhad one myself.
But anyway, having said that,yeah, I was just saying to the
youngster, I think I have tobite the bullet and admit that
this laptop, I think, is justabout ready to chuck it in.
Cheryl Lee (01:49):
Time for some new technology, is it?
Angry Anderson (01:52):
Well, yeah, it's apart from the fact that you
know when some of your keypadsstart to go.
You know which happened someyears ago.
I might add.
Cheryl Lee (02:06):
Well, it's done.
Well, I think you've got yourmoney's worth by the sound of it
.
Angry Anderson (02:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know.
You know my son would know, butit's at least 15 years old.
Cheryl Lee (02:22):
Yeah, that is pretty ancient in the land of
computers.
Yeah, so it would seem.
Angry Anderson (02:29):
But I am loathe to.
I'm one of those people thatwas brought up like if you pay a
certain amount of money forsomething, you expect it to last
forever.
Cheryl Lee (02:39):
Anyway, yeah, like the old fridges used to do.
You know the old fridges?
They had outlasted all of us.
Angry Anderson (02:46):
You know, one of the funny things, funny, you
should mention that my brotherinherited it because he lives in
Melbourne.
Well, he doesn't anymore, he'spassed.
But anyway, having said that,it was the first real fridge
(03:06):
that we bought when I because Igrew up in Melbourne and I
remember Mum had a, like manypeople did in our street or our
area we had ice delivered and itwent into a well, I call it an
ice box.
(03:27):
So the ice went in the top part, yeah, yeah, so every, I'm not
too sure, maybe a week or maybeevery three or four days or
something, but because the waterwould seep down, it was, like,
(03:47):
you know, some sort ofirrigational type situation and
it would end up in the bottom.
So, yeah, and Mum, like othersin those days, she used to
because, as the water went down,of course it was still cold.
Yeah, and cold, you know, asyou know, travels down.
(04:12):
But yeah, and then we got thisfridge right and it had the
round corners on it.
Cheryl Lee (04:19):
Yes, was it a Kelvinator.
Angry Anderson (04:22):
Oh, probably, yeah, a Kelvinator or a
Westinghouse or something, butit had that big handle, yep.
And yeah, my brother inheritedit from when Mum married again
and moved on, you know.
Yeah, so because I love that,well, we all love that fridge,
(04:45):
because it was just that.
And mum, you know, religiously,like women did in those days, I
still do it.
I still do it to this day.
I clean the fridge like twice amonth.
I take everything out, becauseI've got a back fridge like a
bar fridge yeah and I takeeverything out and clean it
inside and out, so it's spotless.
Cheryl Lee (05:08):
You're good, you want to come to my house.
Angry Anderson (05:11):
I'd make someone a good wife, you will.
My kids have often said to meyeah, so where are you?
By the way, Sorry.
Where are you?
Oh, I'm in.
Cheryl Lee (05:23):
Adelaide.
I was going to ask you whereare you?
Are you nowhere near thesefires?
Angry Anderson (05:28):
No, no, nowhere I live.
Do you know Sydney at all?
A little?
Well, there's the northernbeaches.
Yep, yep, I live on Beacon Hill, which is the highest physical
(05:51):
point in the Sydney metropolitanarea, and if you go directly to
the coast, our beach is cool,cool.
So there's manly fresh waterand then cool, cool Nice.
Cheryl Lee (06:04):
Yeah, I was just going to say.
A lot of back rooms and men'ssheds still have those old
fridges because they just neverdie, do they no?
Angry Anderson (06:13):
They're like old rock and rollers.
They refuse to exchange.
Someone said to me I don'tthink she meant to be unkind.
She said do you ever feel likeyou might have overstayed your
welcome?
And I said, if I did feel thatway, we wouldn't be having this
(06:37):
conversation.
Cheryl Lee (06:37):
Yeah, that's right.
Angry Anderson (06:40):
But she was at least honest enough.
She said look, I'm too young toremember when you started and
all that.
I realise it's nearly 50 yearsand you're ready to retire and
all that kind of stuff.
And she said but I've read alittle bit about the band.
She said it's fascinating whatI've read.
And I said well, you know, likemost bands, if not all bands,
(07:06):
it's been a real journey, like Imean, I've been in the band or
I've been the only singer in theband anyway, so more than half
my life.
Cheryl Lee (07:16):
Yeah, oh, absolutely .
And I was just going to saybefore we start chatting about
the ongoing tour at the momentand the special things coming up
, what is this Monday morningbusiness angry?
At this time of day?
This is not very rock starhours.
Angry Anderson (07:38):
Well, yeah, no, it's funny about that.
I've just got to go and turnthis radio off, okie dokie.
When I got home from yesterdaywe drove home because we're in
New South Wales, because youknow we only work Friday and
(07:59):
Saturday these days, and yeah,so you know it's Monday's
washing day.
It's also, you know, thedomestics like because I went
away for a weekend, so thekitchen looks like a fucking
bomb in it.
But anyway, having said that,apart from the Saturday and
(08:24):
possibly the Sunday morning, Imade it my habit years and years
and years ago when I wastraining and stuff, because I
spent so many years of you know,some time ago, you know not
getting up until like lunchtime,you know, and I thought, well,
(08:48):
if there's going to be this youknow, seismic shift, we might as
well go all the way.
So I decided that I was goingto make changes, in the sense
that I was going to have newexperiences.
Cheryl Lee (09:09):
And better health wealth.
Well, there's that as well,yeah, absolutely Sorry go on.
Angry Anderson (09:17):
Well, apart from Friday, you know, after the gig
there's a bit of drinking done.
Saturday the same.
But you know we it's funny, youknow, because, uh, in relation
to having to get up to travelhome on the sunday, usually, um,
yeah, we sort of pretty muchtake it so it's kind of friday's
(09:38):
our party night and um, becausewe're all the same, you know,
we're all the same, we're allthe same.
Cheryl Lee (09:52):
I was scared.
Angry Anderson (09:53):
I was going to sleep through the alarm.
Anyway, here we are.
Mine goes off at five and if Ihaven't woken up before that,
you know, for obvious reasons,five, you know I'm b.
Cheryl Lee (10:11):
if I'm, you know I'm being um that's it, but then
again I'm, I'm in bed by likeeight.
Angry Anderson (10:14):
Oh okay, yeah, I like to go even even earlier
sometimes because I like to readwhat does it say?
Cheryl Lee (10:20):
uh, early to bed, early to rise, mate, yeah
something healthy, wealthy andwise that's it very good now.
Um, we last spoke.
Can you believe it?
It's nearly three years ago now, so it's about time we sat down
and had another chat, isn't itright, oh?
Angry Anderson (10:37):
yep, yeah, I just.
I'm just asking you over yourleft shoulder?
Cheryl Lee (10:45):
Yes, yes, there's a series of multicoloured clocks
or radios.
Yeah, well, a couple of themare radios.
Oh okay, the big ones are radioand the little little
itty-bitty ones are radio.
The big ones are radio and thelittle little itty-bitty ones
(11:06):
are radio.
The others are biscuit tinsthat look like radios, the
old-fashioned radios.
Angry Anderson (11:11):
Really.
Cheryl Lee (11:12):
Yeah, I just loved them, plus I felt, like some
biscuits, absolutely.
I mean bonus bonus, I knowright, yeah, no, they're cute,
aren't they?
Angry Anderson (11:23):
They are, they're really cute.
I was saying I've got myoriginal transistor radio.
I've kept it all these yearsbecause it was my first real
personal, you know, becausetransistors were, you know the
(11:48):
thing, in those days they werenew and obviously they were new,
and because I remember havinglike a crystal radio, which was
they were big in those days, andI had a.
Later on, when I was working, Ibought myself a small like a
(12:10):
bookcase-type radio, dark brownin colour, you know.
Yeah, and it was amazing.
You know, it was run by valvesand at night, particularly at
night, I could tune in.
I had a wire going out thewindow and going up what was
(12:33):
called the stink pole and wasscratched a bit of paint off and
wound the aerial so it wasquite high on the roof, wound
the aerial, so it was quite highon the roof and especially at
night I was able to tune it very, very delicately and I could
(12:54):
get like any place in Australiabut I used to get like Radio
Moresby, port Moresby.
I used to get, you know,asiatic countries.
Cheryl Lee (13:05):
Yeah, well, my husband's from country Victoria.
That's just the reason I askedabout the fires, because we've
lost two houses.
Luckily, both of them are emptyand we nearly lost an inhabited
one yesterday, inhabited by his90-year-old mother.
But he says exactly the samething.
When he was a lad, he didexactly what you did with the
(13:29):
wire and you could get forever.
Angry Anderson (13:33):
Well, it goes to show.
You know, it's like one ofthose crazy things, crazy
contradictions, I call them.
I remember years ago when I wasdoing television and we went
out, we did a couple of, we dida program after midday with ray
yep um, he moved on to currentaffair and I moved on with him
(13:54):
and we were given this idea fora program called the challenge.
and um, we went out and it tookon seemingly impossible or
extremely difficult challenges,and you know, because television
could get things done becauseof the persuasion of exposure
(14:15):
and all that kind of stuff.
And we did two over those years.
I think we did challenge forabout six or seven years.
And we did Challenge for aboutsix or seven years and we did
two Challenges One was forFarmhand and the other one was a
government initiative to dowith farming.
(14:37):
So during the first one we didwas during the drought and we
organised a train full of foodand fodder for animals et cetera
, and we started in Melbourne,victoria, and the train went all
.
It was the largest train everassembled and it was so long and
(15:04):
so heavy.
it took four diesel drivers, twoat the front, two at the back,
pushing and we went all, all theway into into Queensland to a
place called Texas, which isjust over the border.
But anyway, having said that, Ifound out a lot of stuff about
farming on the way.
(15:24):
You know, because we did a lotof research et cetera, and it
shows you how not always theright decisions are made, but
you know analogue farms.
Cheryl Lee (15:35):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (15:36):
I remember talking to a farmer and we were
out the back of bum-fuck,nowhere like really really out
out.
It was a sheep farm and um anduh, you know he had a, an analog
.
Well, the only phones around inthose days were analog.
And when it years later, um, weknew it was going to change to
(16:02):
digital and he said, you know,like a lot of things the
government do, it doesn't makeany sense in the reality, he
said, because analogue can gothrough mountains.
Cheryl Lee (16:15):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (16:16):
So there's no loss of signal.
You know it's a penetrativething, it's just like it's just
all pervading.
So it's fabulous serviceeverywhere in the in the country
, doesn't matter how far outfrom you know like, because it's
just that system.
Yeah, they change to digitaland we still, to this day,
(16:36):
haven't got it right no, oh,absolutely not.
Cheryl Lee (16:39):
I work during the day.
Normally I'm working from home.
When the internet goes down, wecan't do anything, even make a
phone call, our phone, theinternet, everything we do is
internet and we just can't do athing.
Yeah, yeah, we need to, neededto have kept one of those old
analog phones.
Angry Anderson (16:59):
Well now, now what I?
Yeah, I actually kept a boxfull of them, like every phone I
ever owned, and it got to.
I don't know maybe you know,like probably four, five, six,
seven, eight phones like alldifferent sizes and shapes, like
there was a flip phone, youknow there was one about that
big, you know, like about thesize of two matchboxes.
(17:24):
They got smaller and smallerand smaller.
Now they're going back theother way.
They're getting bigger.
I saw a lady at the mall theother day and she had my laptop.
It was about it'd have to behalf the size laptop, ipad, like
(17:44):
that's pretty much a normalsize, you know iPad, and it
would have to have been, yeah,half the space of it.
It was huge, a young Maoriwoman and you know it.
(18:05):
Just yeah, it was justincredible.
Anyway, let's get into it.
Cheryl Lee (18:09):
Righto.
So yeah, like you said, theband was formed in 1976, so
you've got your 50th anniversarynext year.
Yes, Any big plans forcelebration?
Angry Anderson (18:25):
Well, it's the end of the band for a start, so
that's.
I wouldn't call it acelebration, but there'll be a
wonderful wake that I think willbe held over a series.
Well, we plan to have it over aseries of days.
I mean we will tour asextensively as we can in the
(18:47):
first half of the year.
In the middle of the year, ofcourse, we'll go to Europe for
about four, maybe six weeks anddo a farewell there.
There's a promoter in Americawho's desperately trying to get
some way around the ridiculouscosts involved that have come
(19:10):
about in the last gee within,well, since the plague.
Cheryl Lee (19:13):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (19:15):
For some reason, all the prices for visas et
cetera and all the paperwork'sgone through the roof.
So it's made it very, verydifficult for us to afford to do
that process.
But we'll definitely do Europe.
I think we're doing five or sixcountries from what I've heard.
Awesome, yeah, so that's kindof a usual tour for us.
Cheryl Lee (19:41):
Well, I thought this one was this current one was
big because, like you say,you're in the throes of it.
You've worked last weekend,I've got all your dates here.
You're going everywhere, manincluding.
So we've got two more inAustralia and then, is this
right, You're going toCalifornia to Whiskey and Coco.
Angry Anderson (20:05):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, that was supposed to be a
secret.
No, I don't mean in reflectionto what you've said, because the
news got out weeks ago and theyeah, really, so you're off the
(20:26):
hook there.
So, um, yeah, what happened wasthat um, um, the guy that runs
um whiskey, a go-go, um, hasbeen desperately trying to get
us to go there.
And, uh, we're going over toflorida, or I think it's out of
orlando.
I'm not sure we land in orlando, but out of Florida.
(20:50):
There's a thing called Monstersof Rock.
It's a rock heavy rock cruise.
Cheryl Lee (20:53):
Oh, yep, yep.
Angry Anderson (20:55):
And through the I was corrected.
Yeah, because I remember sayingto a podcaster I said, oh, yeah
, we're coming.
This is some years ago.
We're coming over to do theMonsters of Rock cruise through
the Caribbean and he said, wowoh yeah, we pronounce it
Caribbean.
I went, oh yeah, whatever youknow, like I'm from Melbourne.
Cheryl Lee (21:17):
I say dance.
Angry Anderson (21:18):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, Newcastle, Anyway.
So I stand corrected, theCaribbean, which is far more
exotic and romantic sounding.
You know the pirates of theCaribbean, you know all that
shit.
So, yeah, we'll go over and dothat.
Anyway, he heard we were comingand he said and we always stay
(21:42):
in Los Angeles for a couple ofdays to rehearse and to meet the
crew and all that kind of stuff, you know.
And so the organisers used todo a couple of nights at the
Whiskey before we go on thiscruise, Nice.
Cheryl Lee (22:02):
Lucky day.
Angry Anderson (22:02):
Yeah, absolutely , we've done the cruise a few
times and it's, you know, I meanI like cruises, I mean it's
just the whole romantic thingabout being at sea.
You know all that shit.
Cheryl Lee (22:16):
I like it too.
I love cruising.
Some people don't like it, butyou know I'm with you.
It's a great holiday.
Unpack once, go everywherepools, spas, massage, yeah, yeah
, yeah.
Angry Anderson (22:29):
Yeah, and one of the guys in Ronnie Simmons
who's playing guitar with ushe's played with when he was
living in Los Angeles.
He lived there for 10 yearsbefore he came back to join the
band a couple of years ago andhe so last time we did the ship,
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one of his old his bands thathe played with was on the ship
and the bass player, who's areal ladies' man, you know, he
says he himself is a bit likemost of them.
Do you know like and why not?
I mean, you know it's part ofthe experience Rock and roll.
He said yeah, he said the greatthing about being mean.
Cheryl Lee (23:12):
You know it's part of the experience.
Angry Anderson (23:12):
Rock and roll.
He said, yeah, he said thegreat thing about being there.
You know there's only so manyplaces they can hide.
That's true.
Yeah, really, it's like you'replaying to a captive audience in
a sense, but of course it goesback the other way.
You can't hide either.
(23:38):
Well, you can, but you've justgot to stay in your cabin, you
know, and it's like, if you know, it's quite a flattering story.
But you know, there was thislady who took a bit of a shine
to me and, yeah, she just, nomatter where I went, I bumped
into her, you know, and it wasjust yeah.
Cheryl Lee (23:59):
Oh, and have you ever done Rock the Boat here in
Australia?
Angry Anderson (24:04):
Yeah, we did some years ago.
Well, I did as the AA band andyou know some really really good
players, some wonderful playerson several different lineups I
put together and we were doingit.
(24:25):
I think you do it every likesecond year.
They have most of the main actsthey don't have, although
they've sort of fallen into thishaving the same people over and
over again.
But yeah, the guy that does it,he won't work the tats on the
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crews.
He said so after missing out,our management put up because
our manager manages a half adozen of big-name bands and he
kept sort of saying well, whenare you going to put the tats on
?
Cheryl Lee (25:08):
Did you misbehave?
Angry Anderson (25:11):
No, no, certainly not no not these days.
Well, not really, notoffensively anyway, but yeah, no
, for some reason.
He said, oh, you know, I've hadAngry do this and do that.
He said, so, you know, oh, yeah, he can do another Angry band,
you know.
And I said, no, the band I'm,you know, the tats are working
(25:34):
now, yeah, so that's it.
Cheryl Lee (25:35):
It's the band.
Angry Anderson (25:36):
I don't yeah.
I don't have a like a sub bandor a b band or a.
You know a side, you know Ilove that side, that terminology
on face, but you know they'vegot my side chick, you know, or
my side guy.
You know, like on the side, youknow it's like I don't do that.
Cheryl Lee (25:55):
Oh well, so then you're back here for Rocket the
Races.
A few more things and then howexciting is this?
You've got the Red Hot SummerTour with ZZ Top and George
Barragood and the Destroyers forsix I think six shows, yeah.
Angry Anderson (26:16):
Actually the good news for punters that want
to see the top and theDestroyers is they are doing
shows just the two of them andthey're doing smaller venues and
they'll happen after we've donethat run.
(26:37):
Yeah, that's a great line-up.
Another one of Scotty, ourmanager's bands Baby Animals
they're on it.
Living End yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you know it's a terrificline-up, but you know they'll be
obviously race courses and likebig, big venues outside.
Know, it's a terrific lot, butyou know there'll be obviously
race courses and like big, bigvenues outside stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
Cheryl Lee (26:57):
Now are you sure, though, that you do want to do
Rocket the Races?
Because you're going to missout on the event of the season
on March the 22nd?
You're going to miss out on my60th birthday, Bugger.
Yeah, I know.
Angry Anderson (27:15):
Didn't you get your people to speak to my
people first?
No, well, obviously someone'skept it from me.
Someone's got to be in trouble.
Cheryl Lee (27:22):
Someone's head's got to roll.
Angry Anderson (27:26):
Bolts and bottoms will be kicked.
Cheryl Lee (27:31):
And then after that you've still got a few more
dates.
So I think you're living proof,Angry, that rock and roll is
the fountain of youth.
Angry Anderson (27:40):
Well, yes, I think there's whisperings or
murmurings out there that onepretty unkind person said
obviously not a fan, obviouslynot a fan.
And said you know, blah, blah,blah.
(28:01):
We've only got a couple ofyears to wait and then we'll
never hear from him again.
So I think it's got to do with.
I sniff the whiff of you knowhe's a socialist or a communist
or a lefty and doesn't like mypolitics.
Cheryl Lee (28:23):
Yeah, I was going to say I reckon that sounds
political.
Angry Anderson (28:25):
Yes, doesn't it.
Cheryl Lee (28:28):
Right and.
Angry Anderson (28:28):
I love the.
I'm not sure if it was OscarWilde, because he's one of my
favourites for quotes, but itgoes along the lines that you
know, if you haven't offendedanybody, you're not really doing
it either.
Cheryl Lee (28:45):
Yeah, that's right, especially these days.
Angry Anderson (28:49):
Oh well, it's so easy these days.
I mean, you know, like I justsaw a great delight, and I take
great delight in it on severaldifferent levels, and one, quite
seriously, intellectuallyserious, is that they are now
going to have, pardon me, and alot of damage has been done, but
(29:11):
they're finally going to have.
They've been forced into aposition where they're going to
have to have a public debatebased on the scientific data
about puberty blockers andphysical mutilation of
particularly girls in earlypuberty and early teenage years.
(29:35):
So they're going to have thispublic inquiry into it, which it
should have happened years ago,you know.
But I mean the other thing too,which is, you know, there's a
lot of things that are happeningwhich shouldn't be happening.
(29:55):
You know, like quite seriousissues to deal with, and a lot
of them have got to deal withwomen, with females.
You know, like the lesser ofevils, I suppose, is like
allowing biological males toassume the identity of a female
(30:15):
so they can play in female sport.
Yeah, I think it's like assume.
Okay, when you assume something, having been married once, I
don't assume anything when itcomes to women and relationships
.
(30:36):
And the other word which I thinkis identify.
You know, just because youidentify doesn't make it real
and you know, it's one of thethings that I think you know.
Terminology, like the wayterminology does change to the
point where they even you knowthey include modern sort of I
(31:01):
can't remember what the word is,but the words that come into
the language and for some reasonthey, it's like wellness.
Cheryl Lee (31:14):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (31:14):
You know, wellness really, I mean that's
just health.
I get health.
Are you well?
Thank you, yes, I am.
I hope you're well.
But wellness, but now it'saccepted as a real word, you
know.
But one of the other not muchoffends me anyway, but
(31:38):
influences, you know.
Yeah, you know what.
I mean Like fuck off, I meaninfluences.
Cheryl Lee (31:46):
Well, I guess the thing is that anything that
brings about, you know, publicdebate on topics, the public
debate, has to be a good thing.
Angry Anderson (31:54):
Yes.
Cheryl Lee (31:54):
Yeah, so I was going to go backwards a little bit,
by the way, angry.
How long have we got?
They didn't say Are you goingto give me the wind-up when you
need to go?
Well, I don't know, don't thesethings time out?
I don't know, they might.
Angry Anderson (32:11):
Zooms.
I mean, Don't they have a?
Cheryl Lee (32:13):
Well, we talked about the important things, okay
, so.
Angry Anderson (32:18):
Which are.
Cheryl Lee (32:20):
Back a little bit.
Yeah, okay, Because you know Idon't think it's any secret that
you had a bit of a rough andtumble and sometimes difficult
upbringing.
And at one day, that's sodelicately put.
Angry Anderson (32:40):
Yes, yeah, a bit rough and tumble is a nice way
of putting it.
I've had to.
The wonderful publishing houseof Harper and Collins approached
me well a couple of years agoand I wasn't ready, but they
were interested in doing my lifestory, so to speak, and I'm
(33:06):
working with a wonderful youngbloke as a ghost writer, as a
ghostwriter writer, and, yeah,so it's by thinking long and
deeply about the past, which I'mnot afraid to do anymore.
I had a lot of some years ago.
(33:32):
I had quite a bit of therapyand sorted a lot of stuff out
and I've been able to talk tocousins and in some cases
aunties or uncles over the lastsort of 10, 15 years and I was
(33:53):
able to put peace together.
You know, like the whole and itwas you can't try and deal with
being.
I'm no longer a victim ofpedophilia, I am a survivor of
it and there's a real, realdifference there, obviously.
(34:15):
But when you go through thetherapeutic process to confront
that as your past right which is, and unfortunately, what
happens?
You know, I was such a clichecase that up until I had therapy
I was carrying it around, youknow, and it was always in the
(34:38):
back of my mind.
You know and I I sort of dealtwith with drugs and alcohol and,
and you know, bad behavior yeahreally, um, because, know you,
don't, you know we're notequipped to.
But I mean, I am concerned thatsome of the methods these days
(35:07):
that I mean chemical, likesedation, when kids like myself
are trying, you know, in theirteenage years or whatever, and
they've got these sort ofrepressed memories and they
don't want to deal with it orthey don't know how to deal with
it, you know.
Cheryl Lee (35:25):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (35:27):
One of the worst things that you can do because
well, in my opinion, becauseI've been there and done it is
to try and not deal with it.
Cheryl Lee (35:37):
Yeah, Through alcohol and drugs.
It just doesn't go away, doesit no?
Angry Anderson (35:40):
it's not ever going to, you know, and I'll
never be free of it.
But the depression that I feltfor all those years, and, you
know, massive depression fromtime to time where particularly
in my, you know, if it hadn'thave been for rock and roll, I
(36:02):
don't know what would havehappened, because there were
periods of time there where andit wasn't anxiety, it was just
massive depression where I justcould not function so rock and
roll really did save your lifeabsolutely yeah without a doubt.
Yeah, without a doubt.
Yeah, because it gave me.
(36:23):
It gave me an outlet for allthis anger and this sadness.
Because what happens and we,you know, we discussed this, we
discussed this dynamic at greatlength in therapy was that there
is a great sadness attached tothe child because they,
(36:46):
instinctively, we know that thisis wrong.
You know that this is wrong,you know, but you look around
and you know, like my mothersaid to me years later if only
I'd known the extent of it.
You know, she knew there wassomething wrong with me, but I
(37:11):
don't know why I didn't spell itout.
Yeah, and I remember talking tothe therapist about it and he
said what about the fact youmight have been protecting?
In other words, what hesuggested to me was that,
because my mother was the, youknow, the love of my life, I
(37:34):
didn't want to cause it.
She was going through enough asit was.
Cheryl Lee (37:38):
So you were in a way protecting her.
Angry Anderson (37:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Cheryl Lee (37:42):
Well, kids will do that for their parents, won't
they?
Angry Anderson (37:45):
Yes, yeah, absolutely yeah.
And that's a dynamic which isstarting to emerge now through
psychotherapists.
And when I say counselling, notso much counselling but
therapists, that my experiencewas with a psychotherapist,
(38:09):
because he's a psychiatrist buthe doesn't want to deal with
drugs, he doesn't want to treatyou know, because psychiatry is
about a mental illness likeschizophrenia or something
that's like a mental conditionwhich is the condition of the
(38:33):
mind.
Cheryl Lee (38:34):
Yep.
Angry Anderson (38:35):
Whereas depression manifests itself
through your behaviour, but it'san emotional thing.
Cheryl Lee (38:44):
Yeah, that's right.
Angry Anderson (38:45):
And that's what we should be telling parents and
kids and teachers that you knowlike.
Just because the kid isdepressed now, the child must be
told at a very, very early ageyou can work with this, you can
work through this.
You don't have to be a victim.
Cheryl Lee (39:06):
Yeah, and you don't have to have it forever.
Angry Anderson (39:09):
No, no, it's like being an alcoholic.
You know they're 20 years soberand they get up at every meet
and say you know, my name isblah blah and I'm an alcoholic.
They haven't had a drink for 20or 30 years.
But there's the propensity, orit lurks there.
It's like depression.
You know, whenever I feel, youknow, and you know, and you know
(39:33):
, since we lost Liam, depressioncomes and goes, it's constant,
it's just there, you know todayis actually today is his
birthday, so it's apart fromthis little um oasis, if you
(39:59):
like, um, I will busy myselfaround, as I do anyway most days
, doing something around thehouse, but I will, I'll put
myself to task and centre my,you know, like thinking, doing,
thinking, doing, you know.
So I'm not going to sit aroundand just Allow it to take over.
Cheryl Lee (40:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Angry Anderson (40:26):
Otherwise it'll just swallow me up.
Cheryl Lee (40:27):
Yeah Well, let's go back a little bit.
I was going to talk about yourvery first band for just two
seconds.
Bust a book, bust a book, noactually the band.
Angry Anderson (40:41):
the first band that I actually worked publicly
with was a band called the Weboh, yeah.
And I didn't last very long inthat band.
A terrific bunch of youngblokes there was.
(41:02):
The drummer was a Maltese kidand the bass player and the two
guitar players was Italian,because where I grew up in
Melbourne Pasco Vale was only acouple of miles away was
Brunswick, where the big Italianpopulation was.
(41:23):
So that was my very first bandand then they were moving in a
direction musically and I wantedto go much more into the blues
and I formed a band with somefellas and called Peace, power
and Purity.
Cheryl Lee (41:43):
Oh.
Angry Anderson (41:45):
Yeah, I had hair down on my elbows and, you know
, wore a fringe jacket.
You know, very early 70s andthen after Peace Bound, purity,
there was a couple of lineups ofthe same name and still I
wanted to go further, somesomehow, and that's when I
(42:07):
joined Buster.
Cheryl Lee (42:09):
Yeah, well, the reason I picked up on that was
because I've been researchingSunbury.
I'm doing a special on Coast FMon the Sunbury Music Festival.
Oh, there's Angry and BusterBrown in the first Sunbury.
Yeah, can you?
Angry Anderson (42:27):
remember it Vaguely Vaguely, there was a lot
going on in those days.
Cheryl Lee (42:37):
And I do love this.
Sorry, go on, do you love?
I love the story of how you gotto be the singer in Rose Tattoo
, because I think early on youwanted to be Bob Dylan and you
wanted to be John Lennon, butthe band already had three, was
(42:57):
it?
Or four, guitarists.
Angry Anderson (43:01):
Oh yeah, no, this was the early, early bands.
This was pre Peace, Power andPurity.
This was between the web and Iwas just there was a bunch of us
trying to find some sort ofmusical direction.
(43:25):
And you know, like, what do wewant to play?
And you know, there was allthis new and exciting music
coming out.
You know, like there was theBeatles and exciting music
coming out.
You know, like there was theBeatles, the Rolling Stones, the
Animals, the Kinks, all thosekind of bands and, um, so we
were desperate.
There's this bunch of young.
We were very young in our teensin those days.
(43:47):
We were desperate to get a bandtogether and some of us had
been at school together techschool and we'd met a couple of
other blokes in the area,because it soon became known who
was interested in forming bands.
And so, yeah, there was aboutsix of us for that first band.
And I remember I had a guitarand a little amp, tiny little
(44:13):
amp, and couldn't play it.
You know, we were all trying tolearn as quickly as we could.
And anyway, we were having aband practice at one time at one
(44:33):
of the guys' places and I said,look, we've got to have a
singer, We've got to have asinger.
And you know I thought you know, okay, yeah, we've got to have
a singer.
I didn't want to be a singer,you know which is funny eh yeah,
you are.
So anyway, we said righto.
Cheryl Lee (44:58):
The mother of this boy said I tell you what one by
one, we'll go into the loungeroom and sing along to a record.
Angry Anderson (45:07):
Twist and shout, was it?
Yes, it was.
You've done well, girl, butthat was the song that I got,
and yeah, so at the end of that,the four of us sang, you know,
through songs and she said, yeah, well, did you get the short
straw?
Yeah, she said well, you'reobviously the best, so you've
(45:31):
got to be the singer.
So there went your guitar career, yeah well, I gave the guitar
to one of the other guys who wasactually starting to play.
You know, I'd only owned theguitar for a few weeks, like you
know.
Cheryl Lee (45:47):
Well, it must have been meant to be in the rest, as
they say.
Angry Anderson (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, and I am a great believer in that.
There is a design out there,written in the stars, that
that's our fate, our destiny,more to the point, our destiny.
And I think some things aredestined to be, and I think
(46:11):
there's a wisdom are destined tobe and I think there's a wisdom
.
There's a wisdom attached tohaving faith.
It's not that sort of dogmaticfaith about, well, everything is
predestined, in a sense thatyou know there's some sort of
(46:33):
control, there's a spontaneityto everything.
That is its own reward, if youlike, and it's its own reason
for being, and that's why Ialways say you know, it's
written in the stars.
Yeah, it's a turn of phrasethat I borrowed from the
ancients, but it's a turn ofphrase that I borrowed from the
(46:56):
ancients.
I remember reading a book yearsand years and years ago about
the possible origins of ourcivilisation or life as we know
it, and there was that phrasethat just caught my eye that
it's you know, all that has beenand all that will be is written
in the stars.
Cheryl Lee (47:19):
Now I am a bit afraid that we're going to get
cut off, so I want to talk aboutthe one other important thing.
Yeah, and then we can continuechat until we.
Angry Anderson (47:31):
Until they cut us off.
Cheryl Lee (47:32):
Yeah, go into the Twitterverse.
Continue chat until we, untilthey cut us off.
Yeah, going to the TwitterverseBecause you guys have got a new
single coming out this month.
Yes, yes, and you can free saveit right now.
Angry Anderson (47:45):
I think it's next week or possibly next week
or the week after.
Yeah, possibly, I don't know.
I've done my part.
Yeah, it's another StevieWright cover.
We covered Black Eyed Bruiseron our last album, which was the
last album that we did withMick and I as co-writing the
(48:11):
albums, because he and I apartfrom Scarred for Life, which was
a co-write with predominantlywith Robin Riley because he
replaced Mick in the line-up butMick and I wrote most of the
songs on Outlaws and Assault andBattery and he and I wrote most
(48:33):
of the songs on Blood Brothers.
Yeah, that was the last album.
I was desperate to get it done.
I'd had a lot of the lyriccontent as ideas for some years
and there's a couple of trackson it that go back to when mick
(48:55):
and I wrote salt and battery andone of them's called creeper
and um, which was I.
I'd just been reading a lotabout this this new thing called
a serial killing, serialkillers and um.
The book that that got mekillers and the book that got me
started on this was the MoorsMurderers.
(49:19):
There was a husband and wife inEngland and then there was the
Sutcliffe, but then I went outand I thought, well, okay.
So I went back and I readprobably three or four different
books on Jack the Ripper.
(49:41):
They reckon they just as apiece of trivia.
They reckon they've identifiedthe person through DNA.
And that's only happened inrecent months.
Oh wow, but yeah.
So there's a couple of lyricideas that we were writing or
working on back in those daysthat never made the cut so all
(50:04):
these years later.
So we covered Stephen King,who's back playing bass with us
for a while.
And Stephen King, who's backplaying bass with us for a while
.
He came with the idea.
He came to rehearsal one dayand said he'd been working with
(50:31):
Mick Black Eyed Bruiser.
Yeah, and he said, well,lyrically, it really suits the
band and you know so Mick hadgiven it a tougher treatment
guitar-wise.
And yeah, so we put it down asa demo and Mark Goberts, who
produced the album, just lovedit so much.
(50:54):
He said let's do a version,let's record.
And it came up trumps.
And so I got in touch withStevie.
I said look, we've covered,because I've always been a
massive Stevie Wright fan, amassive Easy Beats fan.
Cheryl Lee (51:11):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (51:12):
Long before we joined Alberts, you know, as a
production and as a label.
But, and yeah, stevie said, oh,I just love it, I love it.
And he said why didn't you dothe middle part?
And I said, well, because wewant, we wanted it to be
(51:32):
belligerently rose tattoo, wewanted to draw the essence and
give it our you know, like ourtake on it.
And he said, yeah, it's reallycool.
He said I'm not unhappy thatyou left that bit out.
Oh, because what I said to himwas I said, mate, that's you, I
(51:57):
mean the whole thing's him.
But you know, like, that middlesection, the quiet part that's
Stevie reflecting, you know,like, all I want is, you know,
some love and understandingBecause, as we both know, stevie
was a very damaged human being.
(52:18):
I mean, he'd taken a lot ofdamage over his life, which is
another thing he and I had incommon as friends.
So, yeah, so he loved theversion so much.
Anyway, I told him when he'dhad the track for a few weeks
(52:40):
and I rang him up and said whatdo you think?
He says it's amazing, I love it, I love it and anyway, so next
time we got together I saidthere's a few other songs of
yours that I'd like to cover,either as the tats or as a solo
effort on my part.
And Hard Road was the next one.
(53:01):
I said, well, it's almost likeit was written for me.
And he said, well, yeah, it was.
Cheryl Lee (53:08):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (53:09):
Because it was written.
No, he didn't write it for me,but he wrote it for what I now
Road Warriors, you know.
Cheryl Lee (53:22):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (53:23):
The real rock and roll outlaws of.
You know, stevie was way, way,way in the beginning, of course,
and you know, then there waspeople like you know, that
wonderful productive era ofmusic that Albert's helped
launch into the world.
Cheryl Lee (53:41):
Yeah, oh definitely.
Angry Anderson (53:42):
You know, and there was.
So we all were.
You know, we were warriors ofthe road.
We were, you know, tried andtrue, hardened, you know, in the
battlefield of pubs and thatlifestyle.
And that's what he meant whenhe said yeah, well, it was.
Cheryl Lee (54:02):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (54:03):
Because it was written about all us guys Pub
bands on the road.
Cheryl Lee (54:10):
Yeah, one town to the next town to the next town.
Yeah, yeah, so it's called HardRoad and it's out in February
and people get onto theGoogle-o-meter because you can
pre-save it now, which is a goodthing to do.
Oh, okay.
Angry Anderson (54:26):
So it's like available on.
Cheryl Lee (54:29):
Yeah, you can go onto your you know platform of
choice and like pre-save it,which I believe is like
pre-ordering it, yep, and thenit'll just appear like magic,
like voodoo, into your musicthing, right, yeah?
Angry Anderson (54:46):
right.
Well, fortunately I know peoplewho know people.
So, yeah, not the finishedproduct, but I think close to
the finished product on my phone.
Um, yeah, no, it's.
When I say the finished product, yes, it is, it's um, what they
(55:07):
call mastered.
Oh, yep, so it's the one that'sgot.
I've got the version.
I've got about six versions ofall different stages of mixing
and stuff and um, yeah, um, I've.
So, yeah, I've got, I've gotwhat will be released.
Um, and the good thing about too, is that um, um, because of,
(55:31):
and this is the plus attached tothe accessibility through, you
know, the device is that it'llbe accessible to everybody.
Cheryl Lee (55:42):
Yeah, Now just for the Adelaideans listening.
I think it might be your secondto last gig on this particular
tour.
Adelaideans, put this one inyour diary.
24th of May, the Rosie Tats areat our Emu Hotel in Moorford
(56:03):
Vale, so I shall see you downthe front at the.
Angry Anderson (56:08):
Emu Right Now.
All you've got to do is talk toCatherine and she'll arrange
all that.
So come you know, woulddaughter want to come?
Cheryl Lee (56:21):
Danielle, I could ask her.
Yeah, now one other questionthat I wanted to ask you before
we do a goodbye, before we get,because it reminded me when you
mentioned Rob Riley, because Ihave a TV show here in Adelaide
(56:43):
on our local community station,a music show a weekly.
He lives there, sorry, he livesthere in.
Adelaide.
He does correct.
Yes, yeah, so I'm in charge ofthe Legends series of Ryder TV
(57:04):
and I was wondering if, when youcame to the EU, you might like
to spend a little bit of timewith me in front of the camera
and let me interview you.
As part of my Legends series,I've interviewed Rob, and Rob
and Glenn Shorick.
Angry Anderson (57:21):
Who I think is one of the greatest rock and
roll players in the world.
Cheryl Lee (57:25):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (57:26):
Like in the world?
Cheryl Lee (57:28):
Oh, absolutely, we did it in his man shed.
Have you seen his man shed?
Angry Anderson (57:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I have, wow, his man shed.
Have you seen his man shed?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, yeah.
Have you got a man shed?
No, I've got a carport.
Yeah, no, I've got a shack.
(57:56):
There's a, there's a.
It has been a bedroom actuallyfor well.
All the boys have been in thereat one stage when they wanted
to be outside the house.
And so there's the carport,then there's what we call the
shack, and then there's a toolshed.
(58:16):
But you know, it's now my men'sshed, the shack, it's got my
stuff in it.
You know it's become more of astorage facility, you know, than
anything.
But yeah, I think there's a lotto be said, for I remember
(58:38):
years and years ago I was askedto help.
This is when I was doingtelevision.
I was asked to help launch theconcept of the man shed as an
Australia-wide initiative, andit was to get men together in
(59:00):
groups and be mentored by oldermen.
Yeah the two men shared, yeah.
Yeah, and it was an effort totry and get men, because, not
that I think that many malesneed a safe place, but it was
(59:23):
the man's shed, the man cave hasalways represented.
You know like, well, that'sdad's turf, right?
Yeah, you don't go in thereunless he says come and watch TV
with me, you know whatever, butit's come and watch tv with me,
you know whatever, but it'sjust it's, it's just that's
dad's.
You know it's where he, youknow he builds up an old
(59:45):
motorcycle or you know like,well, like rob does, you know
like, restores an old vehicle,what you know, which would be
largely useless to anybody else,but but it's precious to him,
you know Dad, and it's where Dadcan go and just be, you know
like, if he wants to sit aroundand watch football with his
(01:00:06):
mates and drink beer and smokecigarettes or cigars or whatever
.
And so it's kind of yes, andwhat that represented to this
initiative.
The Man's Sh?
Shed was that place, you know,and they were.
There was a lot of talk inthose days about getting men
(01:00:28):
recognised, yeah.
Cheryl Lee (01:00:30):
Well, yeah.
And to get together and to talkand share and.
Angry Anderson (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, even predominantly in the early days
with just one another, withyour mates, right?
So which happens?
Uh, now I, I don't know.
Up until recently I, you know,I worked as a laborer for what
my one of my very best mates, um, um he's.
He was a plumber.
He's now retired, he retiredlast year, but he and I always
(01:00:59):
talked about stuff on the job.
Yeah, and you know, fridayswe'd go to the pub, you know,
because you'd knock off early,you'd go to the pub and have
beers, and we'd go to the footyand you know stuff.
But we were very relaxed withour inner feelings, which is why
I found that most the youngerblokes struggle with it the most
(01:01:24):
.
Cheryl Lee (01:01:25):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (01:01:25):
The older blokes , by the time you get to sort of
40, most blokes that I know hadno problem talking about
sensitive issues, personalissues with mates that they'd
known forever.
Yeah, because there was acertain amount of trust and
(01:01:46):
there's a certain amount of like.
Well, you tell me it doesn't goany further than this.
Cheryl Lee (01:01:51):
Exactly yeah.
Like you said that safe space.
Angry Anderson (01:01:54):
Yeah.
So when they turned around andsaid, oh, men, this and men,
that and men, I think I was likereally Some academic's going to
tell me that we don't know howto express our feelings and I
thought, no, well, fuck, that'sbullshit.
You know, because I'massociated with blokes.
You know blokes my whole lifeand so I know the way blokes
(01:02:20):
operate and you know most of usblokes because of our
experiences, because of we'renot worried about being
vulnerable with one another,because we know we'll keep one
another's secrets and that's noreflection on females or even
(01:02:41):
blokes that can't keep secrets,because you know there's people
who gossip in both genders.
But, yeah, so I used to thinkto myself no, no, no, I
understand what the seriousnessof that problem is.
You know that there are somemen who don't know for one
(01:03:03):
reason or another.
Cheryl Lee (01:03:04):
Who can't?
Or won't open up.
Angry Anderson (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, and there's always usually, when I
say usually, in most cases,there's a deep-seated,
deep-rooted reason They've beenbetrayed.
Yeah, yeah one way or anotheryeah you know, um, you know
that's one of the, the dynamicsthat we dealt with, dealing, uh,
(01:03:26):
you know with, with, um, umphysical abuse, um sexual abuse
and but also domestic violence.
You know, domestic abuse isthat?
Yeah, there was, there's this,there was always this thing that
(01:03:47):
you were trying to deal withand and men are like that, and
this is where where I concedethe point, so to speak.
I concede that silence is aman's way of dealing with
something.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:08):
It just doesn't sound easy and silence can be
his worst enemy.
Yes, yes it can Anyway.
Angry Anderson (01:04:15):
So, Angie, can I Talk about men's shed?
Cheryl Lee (01:04:18):
Would I speak to Kat ?
To try and organise half anhour with you for the telly.
Angry Anderson (01:04:24):
Yeah, what we could do, we would do it
probably at sound check or justbefore sound check.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:35):
Yeah, quite often do do that at the EMU.
Yeah, even in the green room.
Angry Anderson (01:04:44):
What's on your list there, because there'll be
two gigs.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:49):
In.
Angry Anderson (01:04:49):
Adelaide.
Well, there's always a Fridayand a Saturday.
Cheryl Lee (01:04:52):
Oh, I've only got one for the moment.
Angry Anderson (01:04:55):
Really yeah, okay, is it the Saturday or the
Friday?
Cheryl Lee (01:05:00):
May 24th, let me tell you, is a where's May,
march, april.
May 24th is a Saturday.
Angry Anderson (01:05:16):
So where's the Friday?
Cheryl Lee (01:05:18):
It would be the May the 23rd.
Angry Anderson (01:05:20):
Yeah, but where is it on your list?
Cheryl Lee (01:05:23):
No date for that one , no venue for the 23rd as yet.
Angry Anderson (01:05:28):
No.
Cheryl Lee (01:05:29):
Hmm, but we've got a bit of time.
Hmm, maybe it's yet to beconfirmed.
Angry Anderson (01:05:36):
I find that curious.
Or maybe it's just to beconfirmed.
I find that curious.
Cheryl Lee (01:05:38):
Or maybe it's just not been put on the webpage.
Angry Anderson (01:05:42):
Oh, I think all of them have.
Yeah, I mean we don't for justfor the practicality of expenses
et cetera.
We never work just the Fridayor just the Saturday, it's
always the two.
And sometimes it includes asession on the Sunday, a Sunday
(01:06:03):
session.
I love that.
Yeah, some of the Sundaysessions are pretty good.
We usually do a Sunday sessiondown in Tasmania and so knowing
that we've got a show on aSunday, you know we don't have
to travel like home.
Yeah.
(01:06:23):
So, it's another.
You know, like late night onthe Saturday night you get up
and you because there's alwaysthere's always been this thing
with bands is that sometimes,when you're just that little bit
, you know, hungover, worst forwear, so you're just a little
(01:06:46):
bit raggedy, some of your bestgigs, yeah, no, they are.
I mean, it's a common knownfact with any band.
Yeah, and particularly a Sunday, because it's early in the
afternoon and it's kind of like,oh fuck, you know, like really,
and you drag yourself there andthe fucking band is on fire.
Cheryl Lee (01:07:08):
Yeah.
Angry Anderson (01:07:09):
It just goes off like a frog in a sock and you
know.
Cheryl Lee (01:07:13):
Yeah, it's just really cool Just when you least
expect it.
It's just like you know.
Yeah, it's just really coolJust when you least expect it.
Angry Anderson (01:07:17):
It's just like you know.
You just feel like that's not100%.
So maybe that's just thecatalyst, maybe I don't know,
but yeah, it's a common thingwith bands.
Cheryl Lee (01:07:27):
Yeah, when you're feeling a bit rough, when the
going gets tough, the tough getgoing.
Bingo All righty Well, I'lltalk to Kat about that.
And Going Bingo Alrighty Well,I'll talk to Kat about that.
Angry Anderson (01:07:43):
And fingers crossed, we can have another
chat for the telly.
And just mentioning Rob, thereason Kingy's back in the band
is because all the players overthe years that have been the
real members there's been peoplethat have come in through the
band as a line-up to help us outat one stage or another.
(01:08:05):
I think 31.
Well, yeah, I think that's a bitexaggerated, because there's
some people who played like agig, you know, like we needed a
bass player.
For some reason, whoever wasplaying bass was crook with the
flu.
We've got a mate to come andfill in, right, that's it.
(01:08:26):
Just do one gig, or maybe twoor three gigs.
It was just a fill in you knowlike so.
But Rob Riley and Geordie Lynchwill come back and play in the
lineup next year, which will beand hopefully we might even be
able to write and record somesongs.
Cheryl Lee (01:08:48):
Yeah, which will be cool Because you have been sort
of bringing in some of the past.
You know true members to playalong the way.
Angry Anderson (01:08:57):
Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
There's been so very few.
And Stephen, he did the BloodBrothers album.
He did probably four, five,maybe six tours, maybe even more
, I can't remember.
But you know, back in the daywhen Pete was still alive, and
(01:09:19):
so we did a lot of work inEurope with King.
He did a lot of work here too.
So, and Geordie, of course hetook over from Royal Islands, so
he was the longest serving bassplayer and Rob was in the band
for years was thelongest-serving bass player and
Rob was in the band for years.
So yeah, it'll be a real treatto have them come back and play.
Cheryl Lee (01:09:42):
Yeah.
Oh that'd be awesome.
Angry Anderson (01:09:50):
Well, it's a way of acknowledging the invaluable
contribution that only severalpeople have made, because
they've written some of the bestsongs.
Rob, you know, co-wrote some ofthe best songs we've ever
recorded on the Scarred for Lifealbum, you know.
And Geordie, like I said youknow, there's no better bass
player than Geordie.
(01:10:10):
He's a freak.
Cheryl Lee (01:10:13):
Yeah, yeah, you've had some great talent along the
way, oh yeah, yeah, demarco.
Angry Anderson (01:10:20):
you know he's a freak too, but it's like he's
always saying you know, as longas I can live up to Diggers
playing and I think DeMarco isone of the probably well, he's
my favourite rock and rolldrummer because he plays rock
and roll, he swings everythingbecause there's rock and there's
(01:10:43):
rock and roll and we playtraditional rock and roll.
It's like all of our roots andall of our influences come from
the 50s, when rock and roll waskey when rock and roll was real
rock and roll was key when rockand roll was real rock and roll.
Cheryl Lee (01:10:58):
yeah, Well, apart from having great players,
you've also supported some ortoured with some great bands as
well, like the Gunners.
Angry Anderson (01:11:10):
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I mean we were lucky
enough.
You know that time we spent inAmerica we toured with two of
the biggest names, which isAerosmith, yeah, and did a lot
of gigs with Aerosmith and a lotof gigs with ZZ Top.
But we toured in Europe acouple of years earlier with ZZ
(01:11:32):
Top when they made theircomeback album, earlier with ZZ
Top when they made theircomeback album, and so that's
when we first met them.
We were touring around withthem right extensively through
Europe and Britain and so, yeah,I mean, when you get to play
(01:11:53):
with people of that calibre, youknow ZZ Top have to be one of
the greatest rock and roll bandsever, you know.
Cheryl Lee (01:12:01):
You've had a pretty good rock and roll journey, is
the word you use?
Angry Anderson (01:12:06):
Absolutely yeah, and let's just get our
marketing cap on now.
Cheryl Lee (01:12:13):
It's been a long hard road, well done, marketing
cap on now.
It's been a long, hard road,well done.
Well, I'm going to quicklycongratulate you on 2006,
inducted into the aria hall offame.
Um, alongside you know lobbylloyd and also daddy, called the
diviners ice house hillley.
(01:12:34):
Again, great names there.
And what was the other thing Iwas going to say congratulations
for.
Angry Anderson (01:12:43):
I remember telling Pete because he was
dying at that stage and I wentto the hospital and I said, pete
, they're going to put us,they're going to, they've
nominated us, they're going togive us an ARIA Hall of Fame
award.
And he says I won't tell youexactly what he said, but he
(01:13:04):
said, fuck, you know, like I'vegot to die to get a fucking
award, I've got to get a ticket.
He said tell them to stick itup their arse.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:14):
Oh, and I remember last time when we spoke uh, you
know you were telling me howmuch you enjoyed working um on
beyond thunderdome.
Yeah, so since we spoke last,I've been to um monday monday,
the monday monday bash.
Oh yeah, I went to, you know,know.
Angry Anderson (01:13:34):
Mad Max.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:35):
Country.
Angry Anderson (01:13:37):
We're doing Monday, Monday next year.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:40):
Are you?
Yeah, have you done it before?
Angry Anderson (01:13:43):
No.
Oh it's awesome, actually, thatplumber that I was telling you
about who we became best mateson doing that movie.
He was the giant.
Cheryl Lee (01:13:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Angry Anderson (01:13:58):
Yeah, six foot nine tall, big fella, big fella.
Actually, I said to ajournalist once I was the
smallest bloke on the film andhe was the biggest bloke on the
film.
And then I thought, no, I saidoh fuck, I wasn't the smallest,
he was the biggest bloke on thefilm.
(01:14:22):
And then I thought, no, I saidoh fuck, I wasn't the smallest.
What?
Cheryl Lee (01:14:31):
was his name, the dwarf, you know.
Angry Anderson (01:14:32):
Oh, yeah, he sat on Paul's shoulders, he was
master and Paul was blaster.
Yeah, angelo, yeah, what agreat bloke, angelo, jeez.
I tell you what I mean.
He had some amazing storiesabout making films and stuff.
I bet, because he was in, itwas either Zeke Phil's Follies
(01:14:56):
or you know, there was acarnival show that they made.
They made a movie out of itabout the carnival troupe called
Freaks.
Yeah, he had some incrediblestories to tell, some which I
can't repeat.
Cheryl Lee (01:15:11):
No, save them for the book.
Angry Anderson (01:15:15):
Oh, no, no, I can't even well.
Well, it's not part of my story, you know, but I mean no.
Cheryl Lee (01:15:20):
So there's a Mad Max Museum In Silverton, you know
which is where Monday Monday isheld.
Have you been there?
Well, you can.
When you go to Monday Monday, Ican yes, I can.
They've got the car in thereand all sorts.
Angry Anderson (01:15:38):
Yeah, well, it's a funny story, you know, like
it's a curious story because Iremember saying to George at my
60th and I said you know, I'vemet half a dozen people who have
told me to my face they haveone of these original cars, you
(01:16:03):
know.
And George just looked at meand smiled and he goes yeah,
I've had people tell me that too, because George has got all the
original stuff.
Uh-huh, I'm like with all thecars because they smashed up,
from the first Mad Max to, youknow, the second and then, of
(01:16:23):
course, thunderdome.
I mean that car that I drove inThunderdome that got crashed
and smashed up three times.
Cheryl Lee (01:16:34):
Yeah, well, they do have a few wrecks at the museum.
Angry Anderson (01:16:39):
I think the Bigfoot which was my car.
I think that's at that museum.
Cheryl Lee (01:16:44):
Yeah, it might be, I reckon.
Angry Anderson (01:16:46):
It was a huge, huge vehicle.
Yeah, it had like tractor tyreson it and it was so much fun to
drive that thing.
It was just fucking amazing.
Cheryl Lee (01:16:59):
Oh you lucky duck.
Angry Anderson (01:17:01):
It had a big sort of fully blown, I think a
Chev 454 or something, agigantic V8 motor, I remember.
Cheryl Lee (01:17:15):
Down memory lane there, yeah, I was, I was.
I remember Down memory lanethere, yeah, I was.
Angry Anderson (01:17:19):
I remember when I first got in it and I had the
guy who built it with me and hesaid look, it's really good in a
straight line.
Just don't try and turn anycorners, particularly when you
get up over 60k right, or 60mile an hour, because that had
mile an hour gauges on it.
And I said why?
What will happen?
(01:17:39):
He says because it'll fall over, because it's so far off the
ground, right, these hugetractor tyres.
So I was all right, in astraight line you could drive it
, I just yeah.
Cheryl Lee (01:17:52):
Just don't turn.
Well, we were Monday Mondayvirgins.
We hadn't been either.
It is the best thing you know.
Out in the desert, no water, no, in the dust, camping, no
showers.
It's the best.
So I would really love to goagain this year, so I might even
(01:18:15):
see you down the front there aswell.
Well, we'll be there next year.
Oh, 2026?
Yes, Right.
Angry Anderson (01:18:28):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's next year.
Yeah, Awesome yeah.
Cheryl Lee (01:18:33):
All righty.
Well, I have taken up so muchof your time.
Oh, that's okay.
I've enjoyed myself.
It's been fabulous having agood old gas bag.
Angry Anderson (01:18:36):
Yeah, awesome, yeah, all righty.
Well, I have taken up so muchof your time.
Oh, that's okay, I've enjoyedmyself.
Cheryl Lee (01:18:38):
It's been fabulous having a good old gas bag.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, and we'll see you at theEMU, if not before.
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Well, I'll let you get on toyour jobs.
Angry Anderson (01:18:50):
Just get on to the lovely Catherine, I will do
Thank you.
Alright, mate See ya.
Cheryl Lee (01:18:56):
Bye, angry.
You're with Cheryl Lee, thatradio chick.
Thank you so much for joiningme on the Still Rocking it
podcast.
Hope to catch you again nexttime.
Get out when you can supportAussie music and I'll see you
down the front.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!