Julian Bailey: The Vital Importance of Giving Yourself Room To Fail

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Lisa Hopkins (00:00):
This is the stop time podcast. I'm your host,
Lisa Hopkins, and I'm here toengage you in thought provoking
motivational conversationsaround practicing the art of
living in the moment. I'm acertified life coach, and I'm
excited to dig deep and offerinsights into embracing who we
are and where we are at. So mymy next guest, Canadian actor

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Julian Bailey was discoveredduring a citywide Talent Search
at his elementary school inMontreal, subsequently cast in a
CBC Christmas film special atthe age of 11. Bailey would go
on to lend his voice to suchbeloved animated characters as
Mowgli in The Jungle Book animeseries, and Pepito, the bad hat

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for the original HBO musicalspecials. metalline. In his
later teen years, Julian wasgranted a scholarship to study
at the American Academy ofDramatic Arts West in Pasadena,
California. When a gut feelingled him to decline an invitation
to join the third year Academycompany, Julian chose instead to
leave the LA area on a Chicagobound Greyhound bus. Surviving

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his first job in the Windy Cityas a bicycle courier and
following a brief homelessphase, Julian was cast in a
handful of critically acclaimedplays before getting his sag
card, thanks to that old TaftHartley rule. Returning to Los
Angeles Julian lived out of hiscar and auditioned for two years
without a booking, beforedeciding to try his hand at

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stand up comedy. Following hisfirst performance at the Comedy
stores belly room, Julian wascontacted by an agent which led
to some better opportunities.
Occasional TV jobs on shows likeNCIS to shoot me in the young
and the restless, among others.
were supplemented by dressing upin character for weekend
birthday parties across SoCal asPikachu Scooby Doo at Teletubby

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among others, as well as goingdoor to door in West Hollywood
and Beverly Hills where Julianwould sell gourmet salads and
sandwiches out of a portablecooler at a high end hair
salons. Currently a seriesregular and part of an exquisite
cast on Amazon Prime videos newOriginal Series Three Pines,

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Julian plays the complex and andMatic artist feeder Morrow.
Welcome Julian. It is such agreat pleasure to have you here
with me today.

Julian Bailey (02:33):
I'm so happy to be here with you, Lisa, thank
you for having me.

It's just awesome.
I mean, just to stop and youknow, just literally stop time
and live in the moment with mefor a bit. I really appreciate
it.

Alright, so do I.
Thank you so much.

So, you know, although we're meeting for the
first time today, I learned alot about you through our email
exchanges. Did you really? Ireally did. What do you think
about that?

I think that's awesome. I'm super curious now.
Yeah.

Well, it's funny, and I wanted to share this with
you, I remarked on Well, here'shere's what three words come to
mind. thoughtful, creative,humble. And actually those four
words kind.

Wow. Thanks.
Those are, those are pretty nicewords.

Yeah, you came across that way. And, you know,
I'll tell you why. You know,part of it was even in how you
responded to me asking for yourbio, which was unique in its
own, you know, and I, you saidto me, and I quote from an
email, I included things Ithought might be more
interesting than just rattlingoff credits, etc. Which I think

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is awesome.

Yeah, yeah. Thank you. I listened to your podcast
with my friend Anna from theshow from Three Pines. And I
took note of the fact that shehad mentioned that she lived on
a boat in London. And you seemto really appreciate that. So I
thought I'll, I'll include someof the, you know, the in between

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stuff, which is really most ofthe stuff you know, in life and
in my career so far has beenmostly a lot of rejection, a lot
of struggle, a lot of nose, anda lot of just having to hang in
and and make it to the next job.
I guess you could say, yeah,

no, that's brilliant. And it's, you know,
talk about talk to me about thatgut feeling you mentioned right.
You mentioned in your bio that Ithink it had you leaving la on a
Chicago bound bus right toChicago. Talk to me about that
gut feeling.

Yeah, yeah, that was interesting. Couple things
happened. I graduated from theacademy, the American Academy of
Dramatic Arts in Pasadena,California. So it was the West
Coast branch of the school, andI got an invitation to the third
year company and I was honored,you know to be to receive that,

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and I sat on it for a bit, andthen I accepted, got an
apartment lined up for that nextyear, and something wasn't
sitting right with me about thethought of coming back. It's
almost as though somethinghadn't settled in me about the
thought of coming back. Anddoing the third year as cool as
I thought it would be. I hadthis voice in the back of my

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head kind of bouncing around ofan old mentor of mine who had
talked to me in the past aboutChicago before I ever went to
California. And he had said, ifyou want to do theater, Chicago
is sort of an underrated placethat you could go and really
stretch your legs creatively,and do some cool things. So I
remember it was one day, I justrealized I need to go to

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Chicago. And I told mygirlfriend at the time, and she
supported me, I didn't have anymoney, though. So as a matter of
fact, she helped pay for myGreyhound ticket to get there, I
probably had maybe $25, orsomething like that left in my
pocket. And the first night Igot to Chicago, I slept in the

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Greyhound station and mygrandfather, my mom's dad had
actually recently died. And hedidn't have a lot of money. But
he had left me like $600 orsomething like that. So that 600
bucks, somehow wound up in myaccount a couple days after I
got to Chicago, and that wasable to kind of get me off on my
feet, which which was sort ofmeaningful. But yeah, gut

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feeling. I mean, it justsomething wasn't, I guess you
could say I didn't have totalpeace about it. And, and the
idea of going to Chicago andactually following through on
that sort of itch at the back ofmy head or in the back of my
soul, if you will, felt moreright to just kind of dive into

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my career dive into the world,and not be sort of held in by
the the safety of my school andguaranteed subscribers come in
and watch our plays and all thatkind of thing. I just felt like
I needed to break out.

No, it's super interesting, because you trusted
your gut. Where else does thatshow up in your life where
you've where you've just trustedyour gut? Because it doesn't
sound like I mean, did you alsoleave your girlfriend behind? Or
did she come with you?

No, she stayed behind because she had a plan
and follow through on it to goto a really great liberal arts
college in Massachusetts. And soshe moved to Massachusetts, and
I moved to Chicago. And westayed together. Like we stayed
in touch. And she wastremendous. You know, during

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that time, but eventually, youknow, we took a little break,
just kind of have a breather,and she met someone and she
ended up marrying him. So thatwas

well, yeah, and I'm not trying to get into your
love. Like what I was actuallywhat I was actually aiming
towards. But it was it wasreally interesting that you were
willing, and and also that, thatshe was able to support you,
which is sidebar was is prettyamazing. But, but that you were
willing to literally leaveeverything based on on a gut
feeling. And this sort of, youknow, memory, you said of a

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mentor sort of saying, Yeah, canyou talk to me about the moment
before the gut feeling likesomething must have been? Were
you feeling complacent? Were youfeeling bored? Were you feeling
unfulfilled? Like, what was itthat allowed you to, to? To find
that? To listen to that ping?

That's a really good question. You know, I don't
know if I have an answer. Forthat, you know, when you're
going and you're you'restudying, you're going full
speed and then just stops. Andthen you're like, Okay, what am
I doing now? And you're stillin, I was still in LA for that
summer. And I was kind of like,trying to decide what to do.
There is there's definitely asense of After The thrill is

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gone kind of thing. And justwondering, you know, what am I
doing now that that space inthat time, I guess I was able to
take, you know, time to sort ofmeditate or pray and just kind
of feel, feel things out as faras you know, what, what lay
ahead? That's kind of just theway I Yeah, the way I would

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describe it, I don't know, it'sjust, it's just a feeling you
have you know, so I've alwaysmoved through the world, I think
pretty intuitively Not thatthat's always seemed to land me
in great spots. But But I think,I don't know, if I have a fear,
I would say one of my, my fearsmight be regret. And I think
just not acting on somethingthat scratching at you might

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might be the thing that I wassort of, you know, afraid for
lack of a better word of, of, ofdoing is, you know, is not doing
something. Yeah.

Interesting. super interesting. And you were really
young man, right? I mean, thatwas right at the beginning of
your career.

Sure. Yeah. I would have been just turned 20
years old. So

it's super interesting because because
there's that sort of burden ofproof that we have or we seem to
feel like we have when we'reyoung, right? Okay, now you've
gone there and you've done yourschool now what do you got? They
do. Okay, there. So, yeah. Whereare the gangs? What's going on?
Yeah, it's

a good question.
The first my first full day inChicago, I remember, it took us
two days to get there was like a48 hour bus ride because of all
the stops. And so I slept in theGreyhound station my first
night. And then I walked outinto the streets near near the
Greyhound station, and I'mwalking, walking up the street,
you know, when you kind of tripand you think you're cool,

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because you're listening toPearl Jam on your yellow
Walkman. And, and this wouldhave been 1997 August. And, and
I sort of tripped, I remembertripping on the street, kind of
like with my toe on the on thelittle, you know, the crack in
the sidewalk. And, and I'm kindof looking around to make sure

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nobody noticed me, you know, andthere's this guy smoking a
cigarette across the street, andhe's just like, Eagle eyeing me,
you know, and he just beelinesover to me, you know, flicks his
cigarette down, stomps it out,steps right up to me. And he's
like, Hey, kid, he goes, youneed a job? And I was like,
Yeah, as a matter of fact,perhaps I may, in fact, need a

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job. Yeah. He's like, you knowhow to ride a bike? And I was
like, Yeah, I actually do. Andso, so he, he said, Come with
me. So I followed him. I mean,probably not super wise of me.
But this is what happened. Ifollowed him into a building.
And he walked into sort of aratty little office and takes
out another cigarette, lights itup, kicks his feet up on the

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desk, you know, blows a puff ofsmoke and just sort of squint
his eyes at me and says, Sowhere are you from? And I said,
Well, I'm originally fromCanada, but I moved here from
Southern California. And he'slike, California. He's like,
Why? Why in the hell would youmove here to Chicago? And I was
like, Well, you know, I'm anactor, and I just wanted to do

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theater and stuff like that. Andhe's like, so where are you
staying? And I was like, Well,for now I'm staying at the
Greyhound station. And he said,he said, Well, that's, that's
not very sustainable. Isn't Isaid probably not. And he said,
Well, there's a kid who worksfor me who might be able to help
you out. He'll be here in aboutan hour, you can talk to him. So
this kid comes in and he was abike courier for the company and

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and he said, Well, I don'texactly live in I don't remember
what he said Paradise Island orsomething like that. So I took a
bus to where he told me he livedand I walked up the street and I
was like, you know, sort ofconcern for my life, I guess at
first and, and I stayed in alittle room that was probably
the size of a well a mediumsized closet. It was it was a

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real, you know, shift andculture shock coming from
basically Calabasas, Californiathat's number to that. And yeah,
it was but it was it was cool.
And then I was doing the bikemessenger stuff and and
eventually we got evictedbecause he wasn't giving the
money. I was giving him to thelandlord. So after about a

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month, we got evicted. I washomeless, literally homeless,
like I, I slept under a treeacross, like right by the
Chicago River one night. And atthe time, I was going through
the trades looking forauditions. And a friend of mine
said, Where are you staying? Isaid, I'm staying across from
the Doubletree Hotel and theysaid, Oh, with the Hyatt and I
said, No, at the single tree.
You know, I slept under a littletree. Just a stupid joke. But

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and so that next morning, Iremember I got up and I, I went
to, I called an ad for a play.
And it was Reservoir Dogs thatwas auditioning, and I met the
lady who was the producer. Shewas temping in the financial in
the I guess, what is thefinancial district in Chicago, I

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met her and she said, Come tothis guy's house tonight. So
there'll be a reading of theplay. I don't know if they'll be
part for you, but just come.
Where are you staying? By theway, I said, Ah, she could
probably tell I wasn't, youknow, bathe or whatever. And I
hadn't had a shower, probably inover a month that they had a
bath that it was ready anddirty. And there was a black
hose I'd have to hold myselfdown with and I was really
going, Oh, what am I doing herein Chicago. So I went that night

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to a friend of hers house, andhe was hosting this reading for
Reservoir Dogs to play. And thisguy was from Las Vegas, and he
was a recovering heroin addict.
And everybody kind of filed out.
He said, Hey, man, where are youstaying right now? So here we go
again, you know, I said, I mighttry to check into a shelter. I
don't really have a place rightnow. And he said, Look, if you

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can help me move in a week and ahalf, you can stay with me. And
you know, I can at least helpyou out for about 10 days. So I
had a shower that night. I puton some of his Colonia in the
bathroom. He's like he put on mycologne didn't she? I said yes.
Sorry about that. He said, No,it's fine. He gave me $10 for a
burger. And I went up to arestaurant called Clorox and I
had a burger and I was just inheaven. I was like, Well, this

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is the nice part of Chicago.
This is North Side, Linkin Park.
And yeah, so then I stayed withhim for a bit he moved to the
Gold Coast. I stayed there for afew days, so probably more like
two weeks altogether. And then Igot a little place up in uptown,
down the street from the GreenMill. If anybody's familiar with
Chicago. I grew up down, therewas a Christian commune down the

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street called Jesus people USA.
And they would, they offered mefree meals and stuff. And I
would go there and eat and andaudition and just go through the
trades and had my two littlemonologues prepared. And so I
would do those and theneventually started booking some
little plays and then eventuallygot an agent, through a guy I

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met at the commune, who was afashion agent, he introduced me
to a talent agent and, and thenI got a part in a Carlsberg beer
commercial, and I got a movieand sort of back to back. And
that was the whole Taft Hartleything. I guess. I love

that. What do you recognize now? In retrospect,
like, what would you what wouldyou know, Julian now, say maybe
that Julian then might haveliked to have heard?

Wow, okay. Yeah, just keep hanging on, just keep
hanging on, because it's goingto get better. And whatever is
not good, or doesn't seem good.
Will will be great material foryou down the road, and will be,
if nothing else, fuel for thefire. And, and will help shape
you and teach you, I think, youknow, experiences a great

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teacher pain is a great teacher.
And suffering and comfort can beyour worst enemy. And I think, I
don't know, I mean, I thinksomething in me sort of
recognize that, to becomfortable. And to not really
lay it all on the line and gofor it, so to speak, would be,

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would be to waste an opportunitythat I was afforded. Being that
I was young, of course, myparents lived in, in Montreal,
but my father had a crazyupbringing in life. And I think
he kind of, I don't want to sayrelish, but I think he kind of
appreciated the fact that I wasstruggling a bit. And he
definitely didn't want to giveme any handouts, he realized
that I needed to sort of, youknow, kick my way out of the out

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of the shell, so to speak, anddevelop that, that wing
strength, if you will.

Yeah. So would you say that at the time, if there's
so many different ways ofperceiving your situation? I'm
sure. I'm sure it varied,obviously. I mean, just like
when you play characters,there's so many ways you can
approach them. But would you saythat the sort of general tenor
of your mood during that timeand like the energy behind the
fight the stay, that the staythe course was that? What was

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that fueled by? Was that fueledby like, I know, I can do this,
or was it, you know, kind of,you know, I win, you lose
system, or whatever it is, I'mgonna get through what was it
like what?

You asked really good questions. Yeah, you know,
I'm sure there, there was someaspect of it that was like, I'm
going to make it, I'm going todo whatever it takes. And I'll
be, you know, seen, or I'll beappreciated that, in that sense,

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maybe that wasn't the healthiestmotivation, or whatever, but.
But there was also just abelief, I just had faith somehow
that I had something that wasworth offering. And that people
would appreciate, I justbelieved, I don't even know if I

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can fully explain how or why,but I just believed that I would
have success somehow. Andlooking back, I'm like, wow,
that was really some sort ofbrazen faith. Because, you know,
when I even look at my, youknow, pictures of myself, let's
say from back then, or if I evenif there if there's any tape on

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me, or anything that I did sayearly, early in my career that
I'm able to watch now, I'm like,wow, like, I was pretty green,
you know, like, as an art as anactor, as an artist. And
probably, I mean, obviously, asa person, too. So yeah, I think
I think I just was hungry tosink my teeth into something.
And to express myself.

Do you remember your, your earliest experience
of sort of thinking that actingwas something you'd like to do?

Yeah, I do. So my mom was a pianist, my mom's from
London. And she went to theRoyal Academy of Music. So what
happened was, you know, I wasdoing the piano lessons. And it
was very, a very classical kindof, I guess, you could say,
rigid approach, which didn'treally work for me and my mom
was teaching me which alsodidn't really work because I

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couldn't sit still, you know,with my mother and she was a
teacher, she would teach otherpeople privately as well piano.
So there was a friend or afriend and acquaintance who went
to school, my elementary school,and he was on a on a Canadian TV
show, and he was somewhat of alittle star. And, and I remember

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thinking that was really cool,you know, and he was an actor.
And I thought, you know, I couldI could do that. Like, I can
definitely do that. I could, Icould sort of make believe and
pretend and convince people. YouAnd so yeah, so So then then I
told my mom, I was like, I'dlike to do this children's
theatre thing, because I want toact, you know. And so I started

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doing that children's theatre ofMontreal, which was an old
school company, some of thealumni. This is how old it is.
Christopher Plummer went there,apparently, as a kid, William
Shatner went there. And so thepeople that started it, were now
pretty elderly. Yeah, so Istarted doing that. And then and
then they referred me to adubbing house. And I auditioned

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to dub a cartoon, and I ended upbooking, that to be in this
ensemble of little snowman wascalled Billy Billy. And we dub
dub that and then I got a leadin another project that was
another kind of animate Japanesething. And that was called
bumpity. Boo. And I did that.
And then it just, it just kindof went from there. And then I
ended up getting the metallinething, and Pepito and then

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metalline blew up. When I was inChicago. In fact, four or five
years later, it man line wasabsolutely the rage. It was just
crazy in the late 90s. And butunfortunately, they bought me
out. Sony bought me on. I didn'tget any any residuals whatsoever
from the music. And I'm on it.
I'm on it. Yeah, so that's kindof

Oh, that's cool.
No, that's really interesting.
Thank you for sharing thateveryone has a different sort
of, you know, reason for whythey're doing it or how they
found it. And it sounds like youhad it modeled early on, which
is really cool. You saw that itwas possible to be done. Right.
So that's really cool that youmet that young young kid and go,
Huh, wow, people can do that,you know, until it was modeled
that someone kind of, you know,can do it. It's IT people miss

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that. That opening, right?
They're very close. It's reallyan interest.

So you're sort of tied in and referring to the boy
that went to school with me.
Yeah, fact that he wassuccessful. Yeah. And I was able
to see that kind of sort offirsthand. Yeah.

And you were lucky that you had a parent that
understands the arts. So when ifshe didn't know I have any art
she would go, she would probablythink that was cute and
interesting. Oh, but maybe shewouldn't know what to do with
it. Right. But she was anartist. Oh, you want to acting?
Okay.

Yeah, that's really good. And, you know,
that's a great point. And mymother, you know, her her dream
was to be a mother and, and tohave a family. And so she was
happy to, to, you know, be amusic teacher in England at a
school. And then after she metmy dad to teach privately, she

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didn't have the those, you know,intense ambitions to be like a
superstar or whatever. Herbrother, on the other hand, has
made a tremendous career. Andhe's, he's a pretty well known
organist in England. And he's,he's a composer and just a super
brilliant and successfulmusician, in England. And so

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yeah, there was that contextwhere it wasn't like, sort of
like, Oh, be careful. You know,like, I mean, yeah, be careful.
But yeah, it's very muchpossible. You can do this if you
apply yourself. And you know, ofcourse, if you keep your head
screwed on straight, which wasthe kind of thing my dad would
drill into me who was who was astockbroker. So he was very, you
know, he was like, a numbersguy. Real academic type of guy

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and I was super, super rightbrain, you know, you know, head
in the clouds kind of artists.
But yeah, it's interesting. Youdo you kind of grew up just
believing that, you know, it'spossible to have a career,
especially when you start, youknow, booking jobs when you're
quite young cartoons and you'relike, Okay, I'm getting jobs.
I'm making money. That's fun.

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And apparently, I'm pretty goodat it. And why not? You know,
why not keep doing this?

Yeah, no, it's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
And I was gonna ask you what,what teased you back to LA?
Because you were in Chicagodoing pretty

well. Right?
Yeah. That's also very goodquestion. Yeah, I was doing
okay. In Chicago. What happenedwas, I had gotten linked up with
a wonderful group of people inEvanston. And it was the pivot
Theatre Workshop with burn andJoyce pivot burn and Joyce pivot
and became like, in a way almostlike adoptive, adoptive parents

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to me during this very pivotalperiod of of my time in in
Chicago and I got involved withwith their workshop, he was
letting me take classes, youknow, for you know, for cheap or
or for nothing, I don't exactlyremember, but he would always
just, you know, make sure that Icould attend the class. And I
had an opportunity with theSteppenwolf Theatre, which is a

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great theatre company that TerryKenny, John Malkovich and Gary
Sinise had found in Chicago, andI remember, you know, reading
plays in California when I wasstudying and going, well, you
know, I'd love to do I'd love todo something, you know, off
Broadway or with the SteppenwolfTheatre in Chicago, you know,
and that was like a dream ofmine to work with one of those
guys. So there was a play thatthey were doing called One Flew

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Over the Cuckoo's cuckoo's nestthat was going to go to
Broadway. And I got thisaudition. And I was so excited.
I just really believed I wasgonna get this part. And I did
the audition, you know, and Ifelt really good about it. I
thought I really nailed it. WhenI walked out a friend of mine
also from heaven, was waiting togo in this guy, Eric, and he was

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a he was a super actor. And Iwent out to get in the elevator
and right, then the elevatordoors closed. And there's John
Malkovich in the elevator, andthe doors closed. And I was
like, oh, man, this is this isgonna be awesome. I'm going to
be connected with these theselegends, you know, and I really
thought I was gonna get thepart, everybody seems so happy.

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And you know, and so I'm at anevent at the pivot Theatre
Workshop one night and burntells me he's like, so I guess
they gave that role to Eric. AndI was just crushed. I remember
just listening, and he didn'trealize how invested I was, and,
you know, this dream of doingthis play, but he knew I had
auditioned for it, I guess, and,and I just felt crushed. And in

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that moment, I rememberthinking, That's it, I'm going
back to LA, I'm going back toLA. And I'm just going to go
balls to the wall, you know,full speed ahead. And I'm going
to I'm going to just make ithappen somehow.

What stands out to me is that when you went back,
your your passion was so re reenergized after you didn't get
the part if not actually reallyjust affirmed, going? No, this
is how much I really want. It isthe how much I felt

that. Yeah. And not only that, I wanted it but
that I believed I would get it.
So so when I love to know, fortwo years was just, you know,
facing rejection after rejectionand no, after no after No, you
know, it tests your faith and atest your resolve for sure. But
it wasn't as though I hadn'texperienced that before. You

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know, I had experienced thatjust process of going like,
well, where's this going? But Ithink one thing I really did
have going for me was that I wasquite young, which I guess, you
know, looking back and lookingback on my life for my career, I
think has been a big part of myprocess process has just been
the importance, the vitalimportance of giving yourself

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room to fail. And, and to just,you know, go for it. And, and to
understand that that's reallyall part of your education, you
know, is taking risks going forit. Being willing to, you know,
fall on your face, so to speak.

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And understanding that thatevery one of those experiences
actually getting you closer tonot necessarily only where
you're supposed to be, but towho you're supposed to be. And
to enter who maybe you alreadyare. But haven't you know, grown
into yet.

Fair enough? Also, what's interesting about that,
maybe it's another conversationis that you gave yourself to
that sort of struggle. You weregood at it. You were actually
good at it. Like all thesethings sleeping in about you
know, sleep meeting the peopleknocking on the door sleeping in
the daycare. Sure, sure. Sure.
Right. You were good at that.
But then, but you also knew if Iheard you correctly, that you

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were really good at acting.

I believe that I was Yeah, I was.

That's the sense I got right. So isn't it
interesting that when thatdream, that dream moment part
where you thought, okay, youknow, I ended up here because
through all my series of thingsthat I know that I can do and
now I'm really face to face withwhat I actually want to do and
it didn't work not because youweren't good at it just as well.

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Now it's casting right, but thatthat made you go I need to go to
fail some more. I don't know. Idon't know there's something in
there

like, Well, yeah, to I don't know, to show them or
something or to prove somethingor whether whether to myself or
to everyone else, but I thinkdefinitely everyone else was was
involved like wanting to, to gookay, you know, you won't take
me here. Well, you lost yourchance, because I'm out of here,
you know, kind of thing. And Ilove Chicago. I love love

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Chicago, I still say it's one ofmy favorite cities in the world.
And it's somewhere that eventhough I really didn't spend
that much time there, it's Iwould say it's, yeah, it's one
of those cities that's just sortof etched in my heart. And maybe
because that's where it all sortof started at least as an adult
my career. But

how are you defining success then do you
think like, is there somethingthat like in your brain or
something that when you gotthere, you would know that you
were starting that like I'llshow you thing or I am now
starting to be successful? Wasit was it a kind of gig oriented
thing or was it or do youremember the moment like maybe
your first milestone where youlike, okay,

totally, it was steps, you know, it was it was
getting a manager or getting anagent, getting a good audition,
you know? Driving onto the lotat Warner Brothers or Fox or
universal, being there goinginto the room, you know, getting
the material and going, Okay,now I've got a pitch to hit, you

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know, I just I was looking forpitches to hit. And I knew I'd
strike out a lot. But I alsofelt like I had the potential
to, you know, to hit them overthe fence. Yeah, so then when
you'd get a call back forsomething, okay, okay, cool, you
know, you feel that sense ofmomentum. And then you just
whatever that, you know, drive,it was already in me, it just

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sort of triggered a deeperhunger and a deeper desire to,
to level up level up, you know,my game or, or, you know, my
craft, or just to just it was,it was about really having the
opportunity to share something.
And it's not even necessarilythat I thought I was necessarily
this like, prodigious, likeacting talent or anything like

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that. It was something, I thinkthat I just wanted badly to
share of myself. It was like,really personal, you know, it
was like, I felt like, there wassomething about me, or in me,
that was enough to sort of, youknow, get me over that ledge or
that lip, you know, just to thatnext spot, to get that traction.

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And, and I believe that, youknow, I think I believed even,
you know, then but now,definitely, still, that, you
know, I don't even think therequirement is to is to be the
greatest craftsman. But to beinteresting, but to be
interesting to be engaging, and,and to give something of

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yourself to be willing to offersomething of yourself. And I
think somehow, intrinsically, Ikind of understood that, that
they weren't necessarily lookingfor this technically perfect
performance, but that they werelooking for something real or
something honest. Which, which Iremember when I was younger
thinking, when people would say,Oh, so you're an actor, so

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you're just really good atlying, I would take offense to
that almost insane. No, it's,it's quite the opposite. I feel
like acting is, is representinga heightened form of truth, or a
heightened version of the truth,something that we have an
opportunity like an ambassadorto represent. But as, as an
actor, as a performer,particularly in a medium where

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you have, you know, a platform,you can sort of be the
ambassador for, for that, thataspect of humanity that's maybe
not being heard or seen. And,and your responsibility is to
tell the truth. So I think forme, success meant having that
opportunity to dive in and totry to see, you know, how far I

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could take my craft, or, youknow, what I could do and how,
you know, how many people orinstitutions, if you will, would
give me the chance to do that.
And the chance to share, sharethat part of myself through my
through my craft.

Thank you for sharing that. That's exactly
what I mean, you've, you'vesucceeded, because even with
your email to me, I felt all ofthose things, all of those
things that are screaming out asyour values resonated even in
the email you sent me.

That's kind of amazing. I am. I'm almost
surprised to hear you say that,because I was I'm not. I'm not
exactly aware of any of that.
But I really appreciate yousaying that. Thank you. Yeah.

No, no, it's, it's, it's absolutely true. The
other thing that stood out to meis that when you went back to
LA, you were ready. Oh, my God,the difference between, you
know, all this prep, which, youknow, I see it literally is all
of that was deliberate prep to Iknow, a lot of us say, Oh, we
learned along the way, and welook back, we learned our

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lessons, I would wager that youknew that that was your
training. And you were all intoyour training, which was all the
stuff in Chicago, all the allthe sleeping on, you know, we're
up for it. Right?

That's such a good way to put it. Not so true.
I don't know if I've everthought of it exactly that way.
But I think that's really onpoint. I think what you're
saying is is true, just youknow, passing through that
valley, as it were. But yeah,going through those challenges
in Chicago, and coming out theother end. Yeah, definitely.

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Definitely made me feel likeokay, I got this, you know, I
can I can definitely do thisand, and I was you know, I was
definitely driven and hungry toprove that to myself. Yeah. And
others I guess.

You graduated I mean, I literally feel like I
get the sense that you graduatedyou were commencing to the next
thing. I mean, when you wentback you were like I know
exactly what to do. Boom, boom,boom, boom, because I feel like
I again, I don't know you but Ifeel like you do things when you
know you're ready. And thatyou're gonna do

all right. You're getting to know me I'm so I did
I do think that's a really greatpoint. Yeah, that I do things
when I know I'm I'm ready andit's time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I
think that's very, very true.
Yeah.

Interesting. Super cool. Speaking of milestones,
would you consider Would youconsider where you're at now in
your career with Three Pines asa milestone in your career?

Oh, for sure.
Yeah, definitely. So when ThreePines came up, you know, I did
the audition. And my agent wroteme an email and he said, If I
was a Bettin, man, you know, I'dbet on you. And I was like, wow,
really? Okay, thanks. Like, youknow, you get to the point where
you really just doing theauditions to appreciate the work
and to share something you'renot even thinking necessarily
like, Well, why could reallybook this, you just want to kind
of work, you know, and get yourteeth into something. So I liked

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the material. I did theaudition. And then, and then it
was a long time before I heardanything, and then they had me
read for a different role. Andthen they came back to this
role, and it was all throughzoom to and self tapes in zoom.
Which is, which is weird whenyou're auditioning? Where's my
eyeline? You know, and, and so,I did the the final audition,

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and I didn't that was on aThursday didn't hear the rest of
the day. Thursday, didn't hearFriday, nothing over the
weekend, which was normal.
didn't hear anything Monday, andI'm thinking oh, this puppy is
dead in the water. I mean,there's, there's no way this
thing's gonna, you know, this istoo long, you know? And then
Tuesday, just after lunch, I gota call from my agent. He's like,

(36:25):
Hi, may I speak to Mr. PeterMorrow, please. And I said, Why?
Why? So that was that was that?
So? Yeah, absolutely. It'stotally been a milestone me for
so many reasons.

Yeah. Anything surprised you about it?

Well, I mean, I never would have thought that I
would have had the bestbreakthrough of my career in my
hometown, where I grew up andfelt like I had to get away from
you know, so I yeah, I neverwould have thought that I would
get that sort of breakthroughcoming back here. But I guess
there's, there's a sort ofpoetic beauty to it in a way.

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And I mean, you know, it's,it's, it's not to say it's all
been smooth sailing up here. Youknow, I mean, it's, it's been
challenging, and it's beentough. But it's all been, you
know, humbling. It's beenhumbling, and yes, surprising,
but rewarding, and definitelygrowth inducing, you know, I'm
super grateful. Yeah.

What would you say that your biggest challenges are
with the new success, if any?

Taxes, believe it or not, I've never really been
in debt. And now I owe like, apretty penny to the government.
So. So that's kind of crazy. Butyeah, that's a challenge. But
that stuff, figuring out howmoney comes and goes, you know,
hopefully, comes more than itgoes. But challenges, you know,
yeah, well, I don't know, Iwould say, to not necessarily

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try to try to think too muchabout it. It's kind of like it's
a thing you pour yourself into,and I'm very much a part of an
ensemble, you know, in anincredible ensemble. This thing
we all worked on has this lifeof its own, and then you release
it. But yeah, it's very much anexercise and letting go and
trusting and yeah, yeah, I feelsuper, super honored. Any any

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artistic thing that involvescollaboration, it should be a
given that we're, we're going tobe honest or forthright about
what we feel what we think whatwhat we're leaning towards, and
then ready to accept criticism,or correction, or somebody else
to say, Well, what about this?
Have you thought of this, youknow, to have that kind of going

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low as it were, you know, tokind of go in low and say, Well,
wait a second, I think thiswould be cool. But, but I think
that's the kind of stuff thatthat creates the the material
that's like the glue that canmake a an ensemble really sing.
Mm hmm. That makes sense. Mmhmm.

And I love that too. Because when you know, it's
conjuring up not glue, like likeyou're stuck together like a
mosaic, but rather a tangiblemalleable connectedness. Right,
I

was gonna say malleable. Exactly. Yeah,

it's beautiful.
You know, when I asked thequestion, I think on the, on the
forum, just for the listenersthat what I asked was, how true
with one being not true at all,and 10 being absolutely true.
How true Do you believe thisprinciple to be life is a
perfect adventure? A game thatcannot be won or lost? Only
played and feeling you repliedthree. So talk, talk to me about

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how you came to that number. Ifind that really interesting,
especially based on how we'vebeen chatting.

Yeah. Now, I'm glad you brought that up,
actually, because I kind ofappreciate that question. I
thought, wow. And it really mademe think like, oof, maybe I
think too much about this kindof question. But I guess in my
mind, I think I feel like it'spossible to lose. And I think I
think how we lose is worththinking about, you know, our

(39:54):
how we could lose or how wemight lose. And I do think that
you know But just as humans, youknow, the fact that we can make
choices. And yeah, we can learnfrom, from bad choices, choices
that maybe we're, we're goingagainst that inner voice that,
that we that we know, like,Don't go this way, you know, go

(40:16):
don't go down this road, youknow, we can choose to ignore
that voice. And I just think, Ido think there's such a thing as
making good choices, or maybe,maybe healthy choices is a
better way to put it. No, ofcourse, I have certainly not
always made good or healthychoices, and you learn from
them, hopefully, but you canalso not learn from choices that

(40:37):
you made that were not, youknow, choices that, that were
true to yourself, you can youcan also not learn from them.
And you can find yourself likewhen you get in the water or the
in the ocean, you put your towelon your shoes and, and your
umbrella, down in the sand, andthen you get in the water, and
then you're just enjoying andyou're kind of flopping around
in there. And then you look upand you can't see your your

(40:58):
talent, your shoes and yourumbrella anymore. And you're
like, where is my stuff? And Ithink it's possible to lose
yourself in a way that way.
Whereas there's a current, orthere's something that can pull
you away from who you're trulymeant to be or who you really
are. And I know it's kind of aharsh answer to say three on
that question. But I do kind offeel like that that can happen.

What's your definition of living in the
moment?

Oof, first thing that came to mind just was to
not judge just to sort of keepjudgment at bay, you know,
whether it's judging yourself orothers or, or a situation or a
feeling or something that'shappening, to not be quick to
like, jump to a conclusion aboutwhat might be happening or what
it means. That's the first thingthat comes to mind is to not

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judge which sort of to receive,and it just sort of go okay,
there's this okay, that, youknow, and, yeah,

I love that. Yeah, that's really interesting. When,
when was the last time mostrecent time in memory that you
lived in the moment that youfelt like you were living in the
moment? Can you can you recallit?

Well, I'm trying to do that right now with you.
I'm trying to be in the momentand just, you know, yeah. This
morning, I went for a walk and,and I just, you know, breathe
and not the sun, you know, shinedown on my face. And, and I just

(42:28):
tried to, you know, stopthinking about, about all the
things I could be thinking aboutright now, and, and just
appreciate the present moment.
Yeah.

I love that. I love that. I feel that too. I
feel that we are in the moment.
It's interesting, too. Becausefrom my perspective, you
certainly have have led from avery sort of, well, I would say,
adventurous from an outsideperspective. But now that I get
to know you, even with thosedetails, people would pin that
and project that. Well. That's avery adventurous brave life. I
could never do it. I don't seethat now. Now that I know you.

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I'm like, No, that's his comfortzone. That was his training.

That's that's a really interesting way to put
it. Yeah.

And that's you.

That's really good. Yeah, that's good. That
adventurous to some people?
Maybe. But for me, necessary andprerequisite, almost, you know,
yeah, it's

part of your process. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.
For sure.

It's beautiful.
No, I feel that I really feelthat. How do you want to be
remembered?

Wow. Well, I'd like to be remembered as
somebody who was a genuine andwho loved and who was generous,
and you cared about people. So

I'm gonna ask you to put humility just to the side
for a second, which is hardsometimes. Right? Can be Yeah,
I'm just just ask you to tell mebeyond what is so obviously
clear to people that only knowyou from the outside or from how
you interact in the world orwhat your credits are. I mean,
yeah, we could look it up andfind out a lot of really cool

(44:09):
amazing things about you thatsay, You know what, your gifts
are right, just based on someresearch. But what what do you
think you bring to the world tothe project to the relationship
to the one that's unique to you?
What are your gifts, your uniquegifts?

I hesitate to say unique, I guess because I feel
like a lot of people probably,you know, share this, but I I'm
really I really love the workand I really, I don't know, I

(44:46):
guess passion like passion forart or the arts or passion for
reaching people through the art.
I'm judging myself as I saythat, I think that sounds
cheesy, you know, but I canhair, I care a lot about people,
empathy, maybe you could sayempathy, like I really, maybe
sometimes to a fault, you know,I feel things and I pick things

(45:07):
up from people in it, it can Ihave to sort of keep boundaries
to a point to realize, okay,wait a second. Now, don't take
this on your own shouldersbecause you're not meant to
carry this other burden thatthis person is probably not even
meant to carry for themselves,you know, there, there's just
that I really, I really careabout, you know, people and I
really want, you know, people toknow that they're loved. You

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know, I don't know if thatconstitutes a, a unique gift,
but I really have a desire forpeople to know that they're
loved, like everybody, everybodyis really loved. You know, I
feel like a lot of people needto hear that and don't know
that, you know, so.

Can you finish this phrase? Most people think
Julian Bailey is but the truthis,

most people who know me maybe think I'm super
competent. But the truth is,while I am confident, I also am
more critical of myself than Iwould like to be. And I'm more
self critical than I than Ithink I should be, I think,

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which is funny, right? To sayI'm criticizing the fact that
I'm self critical. But, but, butyeah, yeah, I think, I think
judging from conversations I'vehad with people they think I
come across as sometimes a bitaloof, or, sort of just, and I'm
really, I'm really not meaningto, I'm really, I care about,

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you know, people and I'minvested in that kind of thing.

What, what's ahead for you, like, where do you see
yourself 10 years from now?

Well, I would like to continue to work as an
actor on projects that that arerich and, and meaningful, and
able to be appreciated by a lotof people. I like to write more
and have things that I'vewritten be turned into things

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that again, people canappreciate, on a hopefully large
scale, I'd like to direct more,that's a just, you know,
creatively, on a more of apersonal level, you know, I'd
like to, to have a healthier,progressively healthier marriage
and family life and to be ableto, to move around and to have

(47:28):
the opportunity to, to sharewith with the world and with
people things that I think Ihave been given, or blessed with
the opportunity to, to learnabout and therefore ultimately
to share and impart. So yeah, tobe to flourish and prosper,

(47:49):
like, you know, in my career,and in my family, and to let
that that's spring or that well,that field, you know, produce a
lot of fruit, and to share thatwith with as many people as
possible.

Love it. If I may, there's something that comes to
mind to ask you, which is, I'mreally curious to know what
younger Julian, so not where youare now. So not present day,
Julian, but former Julian, who'sstill with you obviously, might
say, what lessons he might givefuture Boolean that you just

(48:27):
shared with

us? Yeah. Okay.
Is that is that the whole thingof? If I had known then what I
know now that is it kind ofalong those lines,

we sometimes leave behind? And we kind of look
back? No, yeah, I learned thatlesson. And then that got me to
where I am here. So you kind ofleave that chunk behind. And
then that got to me where it'shere. And sometimes you can fall
into a trap of like, Yeah, butnow I'm here. So that young,
adventurous guy that said, yes,everything and slept in the park
while like, I'm like, I'm in my40s. Now, like, I'm not going to

(48:58):
do that. So like it becomes alimiting thing. But actually,
it's part of you, that actuallyreally helped you. So it's the
opposite of a limiting belief,right? I mean, beliefs are
things that worked that don'twork for you anymore. But I also
believe that there's a otherside to that, which is that it
worked before. And then in thepresent, we think, therefore, it

(49:18):
won't work now, like it's why weworked so hard on getting rid of
limiting beliefs. But sometimeswe also just limit the beliefs
that actually could carrythrough and maybe look different
in today. But us like what canyou what can you mind? What can
you excavate from earlier,Julian, that's going to help you
get there. That is not going tobe like limited by saying, Yeah,

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but you were young and fearless.
And you had your whole lifeahead of you and you didn't care
about sleep. I'm not sayingyou're going to sleep in the Y
in order to become a director,you know, sleep on the floor.
Right? Yeah. But if that's whatit takes me, yeah. Well, you
know what I mean, though, like,when we bring an age, we when
we're further on our line, westart to sort of say, Yeah, I
used to do that. I can't do thatanymore. And we limit ourselves

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based on what we've proven wecan do.

Oh, that's super interesting question. Yeah,
well, okay, because initially, Iwas thinking, like, you know,
what would? What would? Yeah,anyway, I'm not gonna get it.
But yeah, let me try to answeryour question.

Think of it, you know, you don't even answer the
question as it were, like, whatis it bringing up for you

keep taking risks, keep taking risks, keep
believing against the odds, likedon't stop believing keep
swinging, you know? And, and,and just keep putting one foot
in front of the other, you know?
Yeah. Because initially, I wasthinking of like, what would,

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knowing what I know, now, whatwould I encourage my younger
self to do, or to walk and more,and I was thinking of things
like, you know, really learntime management skills, you
know, and really make it apractice of, you know, being in
the best physical condition thatyou can be take your, your

(51:10):
nutrition, really serious, youknow, take your sleep, and
getting up and good timeseriously, and don't don't have
time leaks. You know, like,those are some things that I
think I still am learning to getbetter at, you know, like, not
not wasting time and little,little bits here and there. But
to really think, Okay, what'ssomething that I can do right

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now, at this time that I havethat would be productive, and
not just sort of, you know,killing time, as they say. And
that's something that I wouldlike to be a lot better at is
just making the most of, of whatI do have, and judging it less,
you know, being less critical ofgoing, Oh, was this the right
decision? And maybe I shouldn'thave asked and all of this, and,
well, why did I decide to ownbecause now I'm here to like,

(51:54):
there, there has been some ofthat sort of, you know, back.
Walla Walla, as we say, in thedubbing world, kind of dial it
back dialogue going on sometimeswhere I'm just like, Dude, stop.
Like, if you hadn't done this,and then that and met that
person that made that decision,very likely, you wouldn't be
right where you are now. And,and so just keep making the most

(52:15):
of where you're at, and doingwhat you can with what you have,
and be frickin grateful.
Because, because a lot of the,you know, the best things in
life are, are not necessarilyreadily apparent at the outset.
And you have to kind of go digin for them a bit. And, and then
just, you know, dust that, youknow, that coal off those

(52:36):
diamonds, you know, yeah.

Sounds good.
You're so sweet. You probablydidn't you probably want to just
wanted me to have that you'reprobably giving it to me, you

know, consciously anyway, yeah,

I'm kidding. Oh, my gosh, I so appreciate you
listen, I'm going to give youthe rapid fire. So I'm going to
say what makes you and I'm goingto say word, and you can

you can ever say something real, real quick,
though, just about that. Lastbit that I said, after I said,
Then I thought to myself, well,I guess that has a lot to do
with being in the moment, right?
is like, you know, just lettinggo of trying to figure it out,
or trying to, you know, analyze,or get a, get a handle on how or
why. Or even where things are,right now. But just to go, we

(53:30):
are here it is this and, andjust there's a there's a beauty
in that, you know what I mean?
And not necessarily sort ofcarving this perfect masterpiece
of a life for of a path. And inthat sense, maybe that has a lot
to do with the idea of, youknow, playing the game without
necessarily this idea thatyou're that you're winning at it

(53:53):
or losing at it, and maybe maybethere's something there that I
can dig into or explore a littlemore, but anyway, that just
occurred to me, so I want tothrow that out there.

Yeah, that's That's thanks. Thank you for
that. No, I mean, that's a hugeinsight and actually you just
you just taught me something. Sothank you or reminded me of
something that I already knowbut that I needed reminding of
which is is tempo and space. Imean, my whole thing is about
you know, what I call the placeswhere there are spaces right and

(54:23):
but the places where there arespaces the moment before you
step onto the stage, the momentyou know before before they call
places are cut, like I'm so sointerested in those spaces. And
so you just you just gave methank you a reminder of just
just holding continuing to holdthis space and yeah you for

(54:44):
having the focus to to say holdon I just had an insight you
know and create create that andwhen we do that that's that's
what you're talking about withthat collaboration even when
you're talking about with it notbeing glue but like, like you
were able to we have enough of athing go I hear that you were
able to say, Lisa, let's juststretch this a little further.

Yeah, no, thank you. And I think there's a real
joy in that, you know, and justthe idea of, of going like, wow,
yeah, the beauty in in those inbetween spaces, you know, and,
and the beauty and justrealizing stuff and going like,
Well, wait a second, okay. Idon't have to be in my head or I
don't have to, like worry orjudge or look back in the past
try to untangle anything. Like,it's just beautiful for what it

(55:27):
is. And it's going to becomesomething amazing if we let it
now, you know, as opposed tosort of going like, This is
wrong in some way or broken insome way. Just going on. There's
something beautiful it'smaterial. It's fuel for the fire
to Yeah.

Thank you for that. All right. Are you ready?

Yeah, go for it.
I don't know if I'm ready, butI'll try. Alright.

Did you practice?
No, no,

not at all. Like as I said, not at all. I was
like, don't think about thatstuff. Okay. It's okay to be a
deer in the headlights. Okay.

So what makes you hungry?

Not eating for a really long time. Yeah, having a
taste of success maybe alsomakes you hungry. Like in a more
of a metaphorical sense. Youknow, failing again, in quotes
failing. Kind of makes mehungry. Like I want to. I want
to get my teeth into something.
You know, think dig my heelsinto something. What makes you
sad?

Oh, man.

What makes me sad. Children who? Don't have a
family? Yeah.

What inspires you?

People who don't quit people who don't give up?
What frustrates you? Losingthings. Find something.

What makes you laugh?

Well, I guess super on the nose. But like
really skilled comedian who'smaking a really great, you know,
bit who has a really great bitand just nails it? That, you
know, you see makes me laugh?
Yeah.

Is it things that like, are surprising, or is it?
Or is it things that are justtimed perfectly?

Yeah, maybe a bit of both, you know, maybe
surprising, but also just like,executed? Well,

what makes you angry?

injustice. That's the first thing that comes to
mind and justice. Totally.

And finally, what are you grateful for? Grateful?

Well, my children life just life to be healthy.
Food to have food to have a roofover my head?
Yeah, my, my wife, my family.
My, my mom. Yeah, just just justbasic things, really to you

(57:48):
know, a lot. A lot makes megrateful.
Yeah, peace, to have peace. Youknow, makes me grateful. Yeah,
have peace. I don't know if Ialways have you know, and I'm
sure none of us always have, butthere's the value to have peace
just to have peace and to feellike, you know, that sense of

(58:09):
like, yeah, that's the most ofsuch a valuable thing. So I'm
grateful for that, you know?
Yeah. And yeah, that's, oh, ifthat's one of those questions
that makes you feel like, oh,there's so many things, you
know, just like I have so muchto be grateful for. But yeah,

yeah. What are the what are the top three things
that have happened so far today?

Well, speaking with you, definitely, you know,
going for a little walk earlier.
That was nice. And yeah, justjust waking up with, with my son
sleeping in the bed next to me,because, you know, he's a bit
under the weather. So he's sleptin our bed last night and, and
waking up with with him, youknow, next to me. And then, you

(58:59):
know, seeing my daughter comingin, in the morning is always a
treat, you know, because shecomes in with a big smile, and
she's ready to ready to attackthe day. And so yeah, both of
those things. And

that's beautiful.
I love that. Yeah.

Lots to be grateful for.

Yeah, there we go.
Yeah. What's something thatyou're looking forward to?

I'm looking forward to seeing my sister
who's coming in from Australia.
And I'm looking forward tohopefully continuing on with the
show. But regardless of whathappens with that, just people
getting to appreciate the restof the season, which is for more
episodes yet to be released. Andyeah, just just whatever

(59:43):
momentum, you know, is containedin that. Looking forward to
seeing where that where thatgoes. And yeah, just really,
really happy to have had theopportunity and to have the
opportunity to, to work withsuch amazing people. Pull on
such meaningful material, andI'm looking forward to seeing
how that all unfolds.

Lisa Hopkins (01:00:06):
Yeah, absolutely.
Julianne, it's been such a joyspeaking with you truly, thank
you so much for joining metoday.

Julian Bailey (01:00:13):
All mine. Thank you so much for having me. And,
yeah, anytime. Thank you, Lisa.

Lisa Hopkins (01:00:18):
Yeah, I've been speaking today with Julian
Bailey. Thanks for listening.
Stay safe and healthy everyoneand remember to live in the
moment. In music, stop time isthat beautiful moment where the
band is suspended in rhythmicunison, supporting the soloist
to express their individuality.

(01:00:38):
In the moment, I encourage youto take that time and create
your own rhythm. Until nexttime, I'm Lisa Hopkins. Thanks
for listening

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