Exposing Big Food and Pharma | Gary Brecka | Straight Outta The Lair Podcast - Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have guests that are incredibly knowledgeable,
we're very blessed, but today weare truly blessed.
We have a man that has trulychanged Dana White's life from
his own mouth.
This man in front of me rightnow is changing many other lives
.
He's got the list of clients.
Mr Gary Brekker, welcome to theshow.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm psyched to be here, man.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
And this place is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
You built something really special here.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Finally got you through the doors, and now we've
got you on the podcast.
I was on Gary's podcast earlier.
I didn't realize I was mumblingon more than I was, but typical
Flex.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Lewis, you get him going, you get him going.
He does bang a few U-turns.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I try to always bring the U-turn back.
You should see us when we'reworking out at the gym or
everywhere.
Gary, listen, we're privilegedto have you here today.
There's a lot of fans that areexcited to hear some knowledge
bombs drop today.
Obviously, we have a vast anddiverse amount of followers from
the bodybuilding community, mmacommunity and anybody who's
really into fitness, so we couldreally go in any different

(01:04):
direction.
I've got notes on pretty muchanything but one of the
beautiful things about speakingto you over the last several
hours you are a vast knowledgeof.
Again.
You are a man with vastknowledge and a small
conversation with you gets takeninto so many different
directions and the facts thatyou know and studies that just

(01:26):
pop up to your brain.
It's just truly blow my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
No, like you said, people are excited.
I was one of those peopleexcited to get on the show.
I was like can't wait to askhim a bunch of questions.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was segwaying onto that this man right here when I
said that we were doing thispodcast.
He was like bro, I've beensending you stuff on God.
I know I was Gary Cause.
I'm always telling him Cause.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
we have like a lot of health food, specifically like
in the bodybuilding, health andwellness, like you see, all
those protein bars and all thosedifferent pieces and all the
poisons in them, but it's likethese are being pushed to the
healthiest people and it's justfilled with poisons, and that's
a core competency of mine andone of the core messages that I
preach.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
My message is really for the masses.
I'm trying not to be theultra-woke biohacker that just
is talking to other ultra-wokebiohackers, maybe just trying to
impress you with how smart I am, but the truth is it's about
getting a message to the masses,and one of them is about our
food supply and, aside fromgoing down the rabbit hole of
the corruption in our foodsupply, which there's an
enormous-.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
We might go down that rabbit hole If you're on the
conspiracy theory types like me,then it's not a conspiracy when
it turns out to be true.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
This is true, and all the way from tobacco companies'
acquisition of food companiesand food companies' influence on
our National Institute ofHealth and on our Food and Drug
Administration, and the amountof research and nutritional
funding that comes from big foodand big pharma.
And you think about theobjectives of big food and big
pharma that it's to increaseyield, not necessarily to
increase nutritional content.

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And so in the United Stateswe've gone through a revolution,
a pandemic, if you will, ofagricultural outcomes being
pointed at yield and not reallyat nutrition.
And we genetically modify moreof our foods in the United
States than any other civilizednation in the world.
And most people will tell youwell, genetically modifying
foods doesn't harm you becausethe studies done by the GMO food

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companies say that they don'tharm you.
But the truth is there's adifference between not doing
harm and actually neutrifyingthe body.
You know I mean you look at theUnited States is the largest
spender of healthcare worldwide.
We spend four and a halftrillion dollars a year on
health care.
You would think we'd be thehealthiest nation in the world
since we spend that kind ofmoney.
But the truth is we lead theworld in six things morbid

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obesity, type 2 diabetes,multiple chronic diseases in a
single biome, maternal mortality, infant mortality and the
lowest life expectancy at birth.
And it's astounding when youthink a country as civilized as
we are that spends four and ahalf trillion dollars a year on
health care has the lowest lifeexpectancy at birth.
But we do.
In fact, we're one of the fewcivilized nations in the world
whose life expectancy is, forthe first time in 100 years,

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going backwards.
So we know that spendingdoesn't equate to outcomes and
we wonder why we have thispandemic of chronic disease.
But we don't actually have apandemic of chronic disease
happening to us.
We have a pandemic of chronicdisease happening within us, the
toxic soup that we bathe ourcellular biology in every single
day that's just become socommonplace processed foods,

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seed oils, those sorts of thingsthat are really not natural,
adding folic acid to our foodsupply.
You and I talked about thisearlier.
One of my big soap boxes isabout using synthetic chemicals
like folic acid in all of ourgreens, all of our flour, all of
our rice, all of our pasta andcereals of any kind in the

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United States are, by law,sprayed with the chemical folic
acid.
Right, we don't call it sprayedwith folic acid.
We call it fortified orenriched.
So foods that are fortified orenriched have been sprayed with
this chemical folic acid.
And I say chemical becausefolic acid is not a natural
vitamin, it's not vitamin B9.
We make it in a laboratory,it's synthetic.
You can't find folic acidanywhere on the surface of the
earth and yet, even though it isnot a natural compound like

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folate, which you can find ingreen leafy vegetables and all
kinds of food sources, steak wespray this synthetic chemical on
our food supply and you look atthe incidence of ADD, adhd, ocd
, manic depression, bipolarautism, the skyrocketing rates
of these pro-inflammatoryconditions on the backs of
adding these synthetic compoundsto our food supply.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Add in another 32 vaccines on top of that.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Nine now if you have a full vaccine schedule.
It was down less than 15 in the70s and some of these vaccines
are.
I'm not anti-vaccine, but weused to define a vaccine as
something that prevented theinfection and the spread.
Now we don't even prevent theinfection or the spread and we
still call it a vaccine.
And we used to make vaccinesout of what's called attenuated
viruses, where we'd actuallytake a virus, which is a

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non-living thing, it's DNAinside of what's called an
envelope and what we used to dois we used to go into this virus
polio for example and we wouldtake out the DNA.
We would attenuate the virusand the protein coating this
nucleocapsid protein on thevirus was still there and we
would put this into your bodyand since it didn't have DNA, it
couldn't infect you.
A virus kind of works like thezombie apocalypse right, it's

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not a living thing, but it goesup and attaches to a living cell
and it injects its DNA intothat cell and takes over that
cellular metabolism.
Right, it can't live on its own.
A virus laying out here on thetable is harmless until it
actually gets into your body andinfects a cell.
So what we would do is we wouldtake out the DNA, we would put
these into the bloodstream.
It wasn't capable of infectingyou, but it could solicit an

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immune response.
Your body would see thatmanufacture an antibody to it
and you would have antibodies tothat virus.
But the DNA wasn't there.
And then a few years ago wedecided that we could actually
make.
We could make these vaccinesout of messenger RNA and I don't
think really the public atlarge really understood what
that meant.
We're taking a synthetic copyof a message from our DNA.

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So if you actually look insideof a cell and you find the
nucleus of a cell, inside thenucleus is the DNA, this twisted
ladder, that's the boss.
Boss, that's the CEO.
The DNA is running the show andit has two roles.
It has one to replicate, tomake an exact copy of itself.
But the other role of DNA and alot of people are unaware of
this is that DNA writes messagesinto the cell.

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It gives instructions to thecell, right?
These are called mr messenger,ribonucleic acid.
So if I was the DNA and youguys were cell minions, I would
say hey, you go make thisprotein, you throw this nutrient
out, you bring this nutrient in.
These messages go out from thenucleus, into the cytoplasm of
the cell and they give thecommands to the troops.
Those messages, in a organicenvironment, will last two to

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maximum 12 hours.
They're organic so it willdissolve.
So if I say, go make the spikeprotein, and you're a cell
organelle and you go make thespike protein, when you get back
to your desk that message isgone.
What we did was when we launchedmessenger RNA vaccines mRNA
vaccines was we created asynthetic copy of that message
and that message we are stillable to pick up 24 months after

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people are injected with thesemRNA vaccines.
And so what it does is it neverturns that message off.
So it says go make the spikeprotein, you go make the spike
protein.
You get back to your desk itsays make the spike protein,
make the spike protein, make thespike protein, make the spike
protein.
So now you have a proliferationbecause the message is not
degrading and we didn't plan forthis.
We didn't do the long-termsafety trial studies and

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Operation Lightspeed.
It was Lightspeed to get thevaccine to market.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
It was like the fastest vaccine ever created in
the history of man right, rightnow.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
We have the safety trials.
So the long and short of it isnone of us really know what the
downstream consequences are, butwe know that it's causing
things like diffuse vasculitisand thrombolytic
thrombocytopenia and otherconditions.
Myocarditis yeah, themyocarditis, the pericarditis,
the trigeminal neuralgias, thetransverse myelitis.
There are all theseconsequences that are coming
from a single source, becausewhen you inflame the lining of

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the vascular wall or thearterial wall and you have
63,000 miles of blood vessel inyour body, all of a sudden
you're taking the largestsurface area of the body, which
a lot of people think is theskin.
The skin has a surface area ofabout half a tennis court.
The lining of your bloodvessels has the surface area of
about six tennis courts, so it'sactually 12 times the surface
area.
And so when you interrupt theability for contents four

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contents, nutrients that are inthe blood to leave the blood and
enter the tissue and contentsthat are in the tissue to leave
the tissue and enter the blood,you've interrupted the exchange
of the most important bloodbrain barrier and in human
beings.
And when this happens, you getthis diffuse myriad of
consequences.
That seems unrelated, but theyare all related and I don't know

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how we jumped onto the vaccineright out of the gate.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
We went right at it, but let's stay on it.
Let's stay on it because, like2020, we're looking back in
hindsight now and understandingthey were telling people stay
inside.
They're not getting sunlight.
Wear masks, take the vaccine.
You must have been crawling outof your skin seeing this in the
country I got absolutelylambasted because I was telling

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people to take their shoes off.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Touch the surface of the earth, get out every morning
, expose your skin to sunlight,take high doses of vitamin C and
vitamin D3, colicalciferol.
I said take vitamin D3, zincand vitamin C, ascorbic acid.
You can go to GNC.
I didn't even have that productto sell at the time and people
were like, hey, he's just asalesman, he's a charlatan.
I got called a, which was theone I had to look up.
Oh, I got called a Trumpsyncophant.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's like the words I was telling you earlier.
First of all, how?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
do you know who I voted for?
What the hell is a sycophant?
And?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
it was like misogynistic.
Then there are also online andwe know now that Mark Zuckerberg
and Facebook was suppressingreal information about the
vaccines and about health careand specific things.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And then condoning the people who are coming up,
like yourself, to fight.
Do it a different way, right,if it didn't align with the
ideology you were?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
a conspiracist or you were XYZ.
Yeah, I just believe so muchmore in what God gave us than
what man makes us, and by that Ibelieve more in our ability to
naturally defend ourselves,especially if you have a healthy
immune system.
The question is how do I get ahealthy immune system?
That was the narrative.
That was lost was what can I doto put myself in a position to
better battle this virus?
Initially, when the data startedcoming in, you looked at the

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survival rate was 99.7%.
And then in the vaccinated itwas like 98.4%.
And I go why would I actuallytake something that reduces my
survival rate just on itssurface?
And then the practical side ofme, the human biologist in me,
said I sit on the board of theNFL Alumni Association.
I'm their health servicesdirector, so we treat some very

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large human beings that wereformer NFL players and I'm
looking at one of the nosetackles that we treated and this
guy's six feet six inches tall,probably 340 pounds, walking
around.
And I also have a five-year-oldniece right she was 47 around.
And I also have a five-year-oldniece right she was 47 pounds.
And I'm like you will neverconvince me that these two human
beings get the exact same doseof the exact same thing and have
the exact same reaction, juston its surface.

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I'm denying that by all.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Just common sense.
Yeah, yeah, just common sense.
I mean this guy's ducking underthe door.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
He looks like he ate a water buffalo and my
five-year-old niece is a littlegirl and I said there's no way
that her immune system has thesame reaction to this.
And when you look at theattention of vaccines, I think
is I don't subscribe to thetheory that somebody is sitting
up there trying to kill humanity.
But these are profit centersand if you can get a vaccine
onto the schedule, right, thisis an absolute win for big

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pharma, right?
If I can mandate that you get avaccine, for example, in every
birth in america, as soon as thebaby comes out of the womb.
Before even they hand the babyback to the mother, in many
cases they're rubbingerythromycin in the eyes and
then they're they're giving themthe hepatitis b vaccine.
Hepatitis b is a sexuallytransmitted disease, or it's, or
it's transmitted throughintravenous drug use, meaning

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sharing needles.
So it's either transmittedsexually or transmitted through
IV drug use.
And we also type, we also checkthe mother before the fetus is
born if she's to see if she'shepatitis B positive.
So if a hepatitis B negativemother gives birth to a fetus
and the risk to this baby issexually transmitted disease or

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IV drug use, what are thechances that an infant is going
to be exposed to that Zero.
In fact, if you look at theincidence of hepatitis B in
prepubescent teens and infantswithout sexually transmitted
drug use, it's zero.
We're vaccinating infantsagainst risks that don't exist,
and that's the issue that I have.

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You could quantify any risk.
What's the risk of dying in amotor vehicle accident on your
way to school?
There's a quantifiable risk tothat?
Right?
You could look at the statsacross the United States and say
there is some risk.
Okay, do we stop putting kidsin the car to go to school?
At some point there has to be aquantifiable risk that we're
trying to prevent.
And so now you introduce totheir little immune system,

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before they've even had breastmilk, a synthetic vaccine that's
causing an immune reaction to adisease that they don't have,
that they weren't exposed tofresh in the first few days of
life.
And we wonder why we haveskyrocketing rates of autism and
skyrocketing rates of attentiondeficit disorder and attention
deficit hyper hyperactivitydisorder.
And like, when I graduated highschool in 1988, I, I didn't
know a single autistic child.
Yeah, I didn't even know afamily.
That's crazy.
That knew an autistic child.
Yeah, my, my 16 year olddaughter now knows 10.
That's crazy.
She's a sophomore in highschool.

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She knows 10.
It's a very commonplace.
So he's autistic, she'sautistic, my friend.
My friend has mild Asperger's.
I'm like what.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
It's scary now, honestly.
My nephew has autism and I'm 43years old.
I really want to have a kid now.
It's scary.
It's like I got to go and do invitro.
It's like I have to go and dothe science because I'm just
nervous.
You want?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
to get a back to the basics approach.
I really like what you weresaying earlier on our podcast
the podcast we did on theUltimate Human because one of
the questions that came in toFlex was about what supplements
to rely on, what pre-workouts torely on, what protein powders,
and he made the comment youshould try to get the majority
of your nutrition from wholefoods, and I totally agree with

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that.
And if you look at the science,you look at the research on
blue zones, for example, thehypercentenarians, the people
that are living the longestthere wasn't any real continuity
in diets, right?
The dogmatic dieting I don'tsubscribe to keto, paleo,
pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian,carnivore.
It's whole foods.
And you look at the people thatare living the longest on this

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planet they are eating wholefoods.
In Sardinia, they eat highamounts of carbohydrates, but
they're all non-processedcarbohydrates.
In the Mediterranean, they eathigh amounts of olive oil, a lot
of fatty fish, which would flyin the face of most
cardiologists' recommendation.
By the way, the number onekiller of cardiologists is
cardiovascular disease, so let'sjust put that out there.
Then you look at Singaporehighest meat consumption in the

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world, one of the longest lifeexpectancies on the planet.
So what's the commonality,since there's no diet theme.
The commonality is they areeating whole foods.
The problem is, in this country,to get to a true whole food
diet.
That's the conspiracy.
Is, how do I actually get tograss fed grass, finished
meatsraised eggs, free-rangechicken, filtered water?

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How do I get around thefluoride that's in our water?
Because we are micro-poisoningourselves to death.
I hear people say all the timethe dosage determines the poison
, and I hate when I hear peoplesay that, because it's not the
dosage that determines thepoison, it's the cumulative
dosage that determines thepoison.
Nobody ever got mercurypoisoning from a single piece of
tuna fish.
They got mercury poisoning froma single piece of tuna fish.

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Yeah, they got mercurypoisoning from compounded
compounding it.
And when you start to compoundthe toxic load that our cellular
biology has to wade throughevery single day, then it's
incumbent upon us to be militantabout creating a filter, a
fence around our body, animaginary fence, and filtering
things before they get to ourbody yeah, stuff.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
I think these conversations are so important
because there just hasn't beenthe understanding of what's
going on.
I feel like, because I havethese conversations sometimes
with people, and it's like theylook at me like I'm crazy, and
that's because, also, like youmentioned earlier, they utilize
words like enriched or organicand it's not really that
Fortified.
Enriched or fortified meanssprayed with folic acid, and it

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should be illegal for the FDA tomisrepresent certain things
within our food that we'reeating.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Why would you do that they should?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
use the term synthetically enhanced.
Use the terms.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Sprayed with synthetic folic acid.
Right and look, the intentionwas initially good.
Right, the intention was toreduce the incidence of what's
called neural tube defects inpregnant women, because the
population was folate deficient.
So if we rewind this entirehistory back to where it begins,

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in the soil, you can trace 90%of all human nutrition, if not
more, to the quality of our soil.
As our soil quality hasdeclined since the 50s, and this
is across all sectors, ourwheat is less nutritious, if
nutritious, nutrient-dense atall.
So are our vegetables.
If you look at the amount ofcalcium, iron and spinach today
versus the amount of calcium andiron and zinc and magnesium
that were in spinach and greenleafy vegetables 50 years ago,

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you'd see it's night and day.
So as we become more nutrientdeficient, we get the expression
of disease.
We have become one of the mostdisease-ridden populations in
the world because we arenutrient deficient, and this is
one of the messages that Ireally try to harp on people is,
we are not as sick or diseasedor as pathological as we think
we are.
We are nutrient deficient.

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In fact.
Can we pull that crazy slide upthat I showed you earlier?
Yes, which one?
Would they be able to see this?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, this.
Will your users be able to seethis?
Yeah, absolutely.
This is Hydrogen Studies.
There's going to be a test onthis later.
Everybody just focus on this andcommit it to memory.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I'm going to ask a lot of questions about it.
Is this how to understand women?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, this is how Pretty close.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I noticed that it loops back to the beginning once
you figure out and you get tothe end.
It goes back, goes right and itstill says no it still says no,
and it's your fault.
So, basically, what this is I?
I show this chart for onereason is because this is a
chart of what's called themethylation pathways in the body
, and 300 billion times, everysingle day of your life, 300

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billion cells that were with youtoday will not be with you
tomorrow.
And what happens is thiscomplex pathway and this is how
our genes encode, how we takeevery raw material in the human
body and convert it to theusable form.
So, in other words, nothingthat we put into our bodies,
nothing no protein, mineral,vitamin, amino acid, nutrient of
any kind gets used in theformat that we put it in.

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Everything that we put into ourbodies goes through a process
of being converted into theusable form.
Okay, this conversion is calledmethylation.
Just imagine taking crude oilout of the ground.
You can't put crude oil intoyour gas tank, right, because
the car doesn't understand thatfuel source.
Crude oil has to be convertedto gasoline, refined, and then

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your car can run off of thatfuel source.
The same exact thing is truewith human beings.
This refining process is calledmethylation.
This is a snapshot ofmethylation and what I always
point out on here.
I don't need you to memorize itis that look at this methylation
pathway and see if you can findany chemicals, any synthetics

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or any pharmaceuticals.
You won't find any of thosethings.
What you will find are vitamins, minerals and amino acids.
This is the foundation of yourcellular biology.
We need 91 essential minerals.
We need eight essential aminoacids.
Biology we need 91 essentialminerals.
We need eight essential aminoacids and we need two essential
fatty acids for this entireengine to run.
You don't need synthetics, youdon't need chemicals, you don't

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need pharmaceuticals.
That doesn't appear anywhere onhere.
But what's astounding to me isthat when you are deficient in
certain vitamins, minerals oramino acids, you get the
expression of disease and thenwe think the fix is a chemical
or a synthetic or apharmaceutical.
How do you fix anything goingon in this methylation pathway
with any of those things?
They don't even appear on here.

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And my point is that we haveaccepted such an erosion of our
baseline sense of normalcy andwe don't accept the fact that we
can actually be nutrientdeficient and leading to the
expression of disease.
In fact, we've developed anentire narrative around disease
traveling in families.
If you just showed up to yourcardiologist tomorrow and you
had high blood pressure.

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They would say Flex, we'regoing to do this entire cardiac
workup.
Your EKG is normal, your EEG isnormal, your heart and lung
sounds are normal, your cardiacexam is fully normal, but you
have high blood pressure.
It's weird.
We see on your report that youruncle had it and your
grandmother had it.
So you have geneticallyinherited hypertension, you have
familial hypertension.
If you actually took that astep further and looked the

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doctor right in the eye and said, if I inherited hypertension
from my ancestor, what gene didthey pass on to me that caused
this condition to exist?
Their face would go blank.
Yeah, ditto that forhypothyroid, ditto that for type
2 diabetes, ditto that for drugand alcohol addiction, for
depression, for anxiety, for ADD, for ADHD.
Because these things run infamilies does not mean that we

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pass disease from generation togeneration.
What we pass from generation togeneration is the inability for
the body to refine a rawmaterial which leads to a
deficiency which causes thatcondition.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
We also have a giant machine against us, right?
We have a giant marketingmachine against us, the only
country in the world, or maybeone other one, that can market
pharmaceutical.
I've seen so many studies onthe poisons that exist in our
country and are banned.
In the UK and many othercountries In 30, 40 other
countries because of thatcapitalist mindset of we just

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want to produce more and make itat a cheaper value.
But how does that get by ourgovernment?
Because they're allowing thingsto happen and, as you went in
earlier and you started talkingabout the vaccine, when you have
somebody who's profiting from avaccine and then now they're in
the help the fix, the vaccine.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
They're only profiting, but you can't be sued
for the consequences.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
But now Pfizer's in the game of let's help fix the
vaccine injuries, and now theyhave other things on that too.
So they're profiting from bothsides.
And when you see something likethat, that's an.
And when you see something likethat, how does it stop?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
right, you've got to ask yourself why did Pfizer
spend $6.6 billion on ArenaPharmaceuticals?
Who's their competitor?
Who makes the antidote todiffuse vasculitis which is
caused by the vaccine?
It's really astounding to me.
Advertising direct to consumerin the pharmaceutical industry
is the worst return oninvestment of any type form of
advertising in the world, is theworst return on investment of
any type form of advertising inthe world.

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The return on investment foradvertising directly to the
consumer is a horrificinvestment.
You've got to ask yourself whywould I spend a multiple of
times more on advertising than Iget back in revenue from the
consumer actually buying myproduct?
And the reason for that is theydon't advertise directly to the

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consumer to draw the consumerinto their product or service.
They advertise direct to theconsumer to control the media,
because they're the largestbuyers of media in the world.
And so when you are 60 or 70%of a news station's budget, or
you're 60, 70% of an adstation's budget or radio
station's budget, that mediaoutlet is not going to talk ill

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about your product or yourservice or they'll lose 70% of
their marketing budget.
So it's actually not done toadvertise directly to the
consumer.
It's done to control the mediabudget, because if you control
the budget, then you control thenarrative, and that's just
patently true and that's just astatement of fact.
It's a horrific investment.
Nobody in their right mindwould make this investment.
That was of sound mind and body, because the return on

(24:45):
investment is not there.
But when you can control thenarrative.
This is why you don't havemedia outlets that will speak
ill of certain products orservices, because they would
lose their entire budget, and Ithink that is one of the
practices that I think wouldreally help serve humanity.
It's not to beanti-pharmaceutical, but it's
not to allow one industry tocontrol the narrative,

(25:08):
especially from our independentmedia sources.
But again back to the message ofgenetically inherited disease.
They have a loved one sufferingfrom high blood pressure, or
they have ADD or ADHD or OCD, orthey have type 2 diabetes, or
they have elevated blood sugar,or they have hypothyroid or any

(25:28):
number of other conditions thatthey have been convinced they
have because they inherited itfrom their ancestor.
And I'm here to tell you thatin the majority of those cases
it's patently false.
Most of the time these peopleare nutrient deficient.
Most of the time these peopleare nutrient deficient Like the
big case that I got famous withwas that Dana White, you know.
When he was on high bloodpressure medication and, for the

(25:48):
record, I'm not a physician,I'm not licensed to practice
medicine I did not take Dana offof his medication A
cardiologist did, and I have allthe respect in the world for
the people that are licensed topractice medicine but he had
been told that he had idiopathichypertension, which is a fancy
way of saying.
This is of unknown origin.
We don't know what's causing it.
Even though we can't findanything wrong with your heart,
we're just going to medicateyour heart anyway for a crime it

(26:09):
didn't commit.
Just when you have low thyroid,you have thyroid hormone T3.
They look at your thyroid paneland they go wow, flex, your
thyroid hormone T3 is very low.
You have hypothyroid.
What they're not telling you isthat the thyroid only produces
20% of that hormone.
So the question is where's therest?
of that 80% of that hormone comefrom.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
And isn't that a problem with medical doctors?
Now, right, because they don'tunderstand the causes that bring
people to these things.
They're just giving you a pillor something to try to treat the
symptom.
But let's have prevention,right.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
So how do you prevent it?
You give the body the rawmaterial it needs to do its job.
You want to see phenomenalthings happen in human beings.
Give their body the rawmaterial it needs to do its job.
There is no better expressionthan that.
In the bodybuilding industry,every bodybuilder walking this
earth if they're a competitivebodybuilder knows that if you
junk in, you get junk out.
You cannot put junk in and addeffort.

(27:04):
You cannot put junk in and addsleep.
You cannot junk in and puthydration.
You can't add junk and addgreat workouts you get.
You put junk in, you're goingto get junk out, and so the this
is very true with our cellularbiology, and so what happens is
we are looking for solutions tothe toxic soup that our cellular
biology is bathing in othertoxic solutions.

(27:25):
You look at the rise of Ozempic,for example, these GLP-1
inhibitors, ozempic Terzepatide,whether it's Wagovie or Manjaro
.
Glp-1 is actually a hormonethat we produce in our gut, so
these GLP-1 agonists aremimicking a natural response in
the body, and one of the thingsthat GLP-1 does is it creates a
satiation response.
So what causes GLP-1 to rise?

(27:46):
What causes us to be satiated?
Nutrients.
When we eat nutrient-dense foods, we get satiated earlier.
When we eat highly processedfoods, we don't get satiated.
The brain doesn't realize thatit's actually been fed.
So what do we do?
We overeat.
And so the more seed oils andthe more processed foods that we
put into our body, the hungrierwe become.
It actually flips thenaturopathic satiation response

(28:08):
on its head.
And now what we do is we say wecan actually falsely mimic the
sensation of being satiated sothat people will eat less, but
if they're still eating less ofthe same toxic nonsense that got
them there in the first place,they haven't addressed the
problem.
There's an act working its waythrough Congress right now,
called the End All Obesity Act,and it sounds great right

(28:30):
Sponsored by Ozempic.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, totally Pfizer.
Pfizer's running commercialsfor that Shut up.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Bill 4818.
Look it up.
There is a line in Bill 4818.
I've heard Casey Means andCallie Means talk about this all
the time two people that arereally leading this charge and
in this bill there is a fewlines in there that refer to how
they're going to end allobesity, and one of the things
they're going to do is they'regoing to make terzapatide and
semaglutide covered by Medicaidand Medicare.
So you bathe everybody'scellular biology in this toxic

(28:58):
soup.
Everybody gets fat and they getto diabetes or they get
pre-diabetes, which 50% of theUS population 171 million people
have pre-diabetes.
So what is our solution?
Our solution is to putchemicals and synthetics and
pharmaceuticals into their bodyto trick their body into eating
less of the toxic compounds thatgot them to their pre-diabetic

(29:19):
condition in the first place.
And, to make it worse, thecompany that manufactures these
semaglutides are Europeanpharmaceutical companies.
So, on the backs of thetaxpayer, we're going to charge
the US taxpayer $3 trillion tocover the 171 million people
that have eaten themselves intoa position where they're
pre-diabetic.
We're going to send that $3trillion to Europe so that

(29:41):
Europe can send the drugs backto the United States on the
backs of our taxpayer, when it'snot even a front line of
defense against prediabetes.
In Europe as we stand today,you cannot use this as a front
line of defense.
So it's like we're thelaughingstock and you know.
The thing that I believe that weneed to do is just get back to
the basics.
We talked about groundingearlier, taking your shoes off

(30:02):
and touching the surface of theearth, exposing your skin to
sunlight.
We are so afraid of the sun.
Now.
It is pathetic.
You look at the parabolic risein skin cancers.
You can almost overlay it withthe parabolic rise in the use of
sunscreens.
You would think that would beoxymoronic.
Right For using more sunscreens.
We should have less skin cancer.

(30:23):
But the truth is that since2018, 23 brands of sunscreen
have been pulled from the marketfor actually directly causing
cancer, and so we're actuallytrying to stand in between
Mother Nature and humanity, andwe are getting sicker and fatter
.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
It's everywhere too, and more acclaimed.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Right, the plastics are everywhere.
There's so many differentthings you've got to pay
attention to now for optimalhealth.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Right.
I think you know people ask meall the time like where would I
start, gary, first I would begineating a whole food diet, right
.
If your great-grandmotherwouldn't recognize it, don't eat
it.
Start there with that simpleapproach.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, what a grit your great-grandmother would be like
.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
What the hell is that the goulash is okay though.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Now, not everything she would recognize, eat, right,
she knows what a cat is andwhole foods are just foods in
their whole natural forms.
And then I would avoid, likethe plague, fortified or
enriched foods, because if youare unsure whether or not you
have a gene mutation calledMTHFR, affectionately called the

(31:25):
motherfucker gene, can we saymotherfucker on?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
the podcast.
Absolutely Got Motherfucker.
Jones right here, I think myproducer, you've got it right
yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I have that.
Oh, he's a motherfucker.
Yeah, it's true, definitely amotherfucker.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
In addition to having the gene, he's also a
motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I keep all these motherfuckers around me.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Well, you did a podcast at a different studio
that I was running and while wewere doing the podcast, I
actually submitted myinformation to get my DNA tested
Awesome, and it came back withthat gene.
And so you were telling meliterally at that point and I
was like man, this sucks.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I do want to get that test.
Should I be wearing a hazmatsuit now around this guy?

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, he's very effective.
We need that test Flex.
He's very effective, we needthat test Flex.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I think everybody in the world should do that test
once in their lifetime.
And the reason why I think thatyou should do what's called a
genetic methylation test isbecause you will only do this
test once in your lifetime andyou will never again guess on
what you need to supplement withfor the balance of your
lifetime.
Because most of us now aresupplementing for the sake of

(32:22):
supplementing.
We are not supplementing fordeficiency, because we don't
know what we're deficient in.
If you look at plant biology orplant physiology, for example,
we accept this in plantphysiology, if you had a leaf
rotting in a palm tree and youcalled a true arborist, a true
botanist, out to your house,they wouldn't touch the leaf,
they would core test the soil,yes, they would, but Flex

(32:47):
there's no nitrogen in the soiland they would add nitrogen to
the soil and the leaf would heal.
Human beings are no different.
If you find the missing rawmaterial, the missing, the
deficient nutrient in the humanbody and you put it back, it
will thrive in ways you neverthought possible.
If you look at hypertension,for example, as a disease, 85%
of all the diagnosis of highblood pressure is idiopathic, of
unknown origin.
A lot of these people have ahigh amino acid in their blood

(33:09):
called homocysteine, and theantidote, if you will, to
homocysteine is another aminoacid called trimethylglycine,
which you can get at GNC.
So you now might have highblood pressure because you have
an elevated amino acid in yourblood.
The solution could be as simpleas putting another amino acid
in your blood calledtrimethylglycine to help your

(33:29):
body metabolize it and naturallybreak it down and cause your
vascular system to relax,because high levels of
homocysteine constrict thevascular system, of which you
have 63,000 miles, and when youstart making vessels more narrow
, you drive pressure up.
So imagine if we could drivethe pressure down simply by
putting the right raw materialback into the human body, not

(33:50):
because you lowered the pressurebut because you increased the
diameter of the pipes.
You can go to thyroid and sayif 80% of the thyroid hormone
that I'm being told is low isnot even made by the thyroid,
it's made in the liver and thegut and the periphery through
deiodinization.
Maybe I should check by iodine,selenium and thiamine levels
and maybe if I supplemented withiodine, selenium and thiamine,

(34:10):
my thyroid would make a magiccomeback, because there's
actually nothing wrong with mythyroid, and you could just go
through condition aftercondition after condition.
We have so many mental illnessesnow in this country that we
define as mental illnessesattention deficit disorder,
attention deficit hyperactivitydisorder, obsessive compulsive
disorder, impulse controldisorder, anxiety.
Nobody tells you what theseconditions are.

(34:32):
If you lined up a hundredpeople that had anxiety and you
said what is anxiety, they woulddescribe the characteristics of
that condition.
And if you're a listener andchances are about 60% of your
listeners have suffered fromanxiety at some point in their
lifetime, 40% of them havesuffered from crippling anxiety.
But no one's told them what itis.

(34:53):
They'll say it's a sensation offeeling fear, without the
presence of a fear.
It's the sensation of beinganxious.
Sometimes I feel lightheaded ortight in the chest Okay, those
are all the characteristics ofanxiety.
Sometimes I feel lightheaded ortight in the chest Okay, those
are all the characteristics ofanxiety.
What anxiety is is it is a risein a very specific category of
neurotransmitters calledcatecholamines.
So if you drove home tonightand you got out of your car and

(35:16):
somebody was standing in frontof you with a knife, that you
would begin to have a fight orflight response, right, a
fear-based response.
Your pupils would dilate, yourheart rate would increase, your
extremities would flood withblood.
But what's happening?
How did you have that response?
You had that response becauseyour brain dumped catecholamines
into the brain.
These four neurotransmittersnorepinephrine, epinephrine,

(35:40):
ephedrone and dopamine spiked.
When they spiked, you had afight or flight response.
So your fight or flightresponse, stimulated by the guy
that was in front of you with aknife, caused a spike in
catecholamines.
What if you're laying in yourbed tonight all by yourself, and
you're here in Las Vegas andyou start thinking about getting
eaten by a shark?
The chances of a shark gettingout of the Pacific Ocean and

(36:00):
coming into Las Vegas biting youin your bed are zero, but you
could have the exact sameresponse.
How is it that I can have thesame response to a guy standing
in front of me with a knife asto me thinking about getting
eaten with a shark?
Because neurochemically they'rethe same thing they're a rise
in catecholamines.

(36:24):
Once we understand that, now weunderstand that anxiety is not
coming from a cluster ofsymptoms outside of our body.
In fact, if you ask themajority of people that suffer
from anxiety, can you alwayspoint to the trigger that causes
it?
They will say no.
They could be on a podcast justlike this and all of a sudden
be overwhelmed with anxiety.
They could be driving home fromwork on an otherwise innocuous
day and be overwhelmed byanxiety.
The reason why they can't tellyou what's causing it is because
it's not caused by theiroutside environment.

(36:45):
It's caused by a rise incatecholamines, and very often
catecholamines rise because youare deficient in a B complex of
vitamins.
Interesting, could the solutionto rampant anxiety possibly be
supplementing with a complex ofB vitamins?
Yes, wow, I'm here to tell you.
Yes, because when you can'tbreak down catecholamines, then

(37:07):
they rise and you get theconsequences of that.
You don't actually have anxiety, you have poor catecholamine
regulation.
And again, I could bore you totears and go through hundreds
and hundreds of these kinds ofexamples.
What I'm trying to say is wejust don't even define what's
wrong with people by the actualfact pattern that's causing it,
because this would allow us toget right to the root of the

(37:28):
issue.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm going to slide in here from the selfish
standpoint.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.
I've had anxiety throughout theyears, and you've probably also
had gut issues.
I've never met anyone withanxiety that didn't also suffer
from gut issues.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Nostradamus right here, yeah, but yeah, you pulled
that out.
Definitely I had gut issues andthere was definitely a
correlation.
Now I'm looking back, say I geta little stressed about
something coming up or I startoverly thinking about something
more so of old, but there wasnobody I could speak to.
First of all, it's kind of partof the manhood, right, it's

(38:00):
part of the man chords.
Who do you speak to aboutanxiety?
Because I grew up nothing likethat existed, same with all of
us growing up.
You just sucked it up.
Nobody was talking about mentalhealth or anything like that,
and I'm so happy now there'smore attention to mental health,
but anxiety falls in that mixtoo.
So what would you say athletesthat are watching the show can

(38:23):
do to control that environment?
And, obviously, if there's anytests that can be done to try to
get to that core root that youspoke about?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
There's a test called a genetic methylation test.
I do one, you don't have to domy test.
There are plenty of in the bodythat are responsible for
converting the majority of thenutrients in your body to the
usable form.
So let me give you an example.
We developed a whole hypothesisaround depression, called the

(38:54):
serotonin hypothesis ofdepression, and essentially what
it says is that if you are lowon serotonin, you are, by
definition depressed.
So depression is called by lowserotonin.
So then you would think thatthe fix would be to raise
serotonin.
So if I'm depressed because Ihave low serotonin, then why
don't I just raise serotonin?
But that's not what we do.
We take people that are low onserotonin and we put them on

(39:15):
something called an SSRI, aselective serotonin reuptake
inhibitor, and at a 30,000 footview I'm just going to
oversimplify it for a secondwhat an SSRI does is it blocks
the uptake of serotonin bycertain receptors.
So what it does is it rationswhat little serotonin you have.
So by definition, it neverraises serotonin.

(39:36):
So by definition, it never endsdepression, which is why I see
clients all the time.
They come in to see me and I'mlike how long have you been on
antidepressant?
They go 15 years or 18 years, Igo.
When did you think it was goingto kick in?
Should we just run this anothertwo years?
So let's rewind that back asecond.
Where does serotonin come from?
90% of the serotonin in ourbodies is right here.

(39:57):
It's in our gut, and if youdon't have it here, you can't
have it here.
So can depression actuallybegin in the gut and not in the
brain?
Yes, how do we make serotonin?
We take an amino acid calledtryptophan.
You know the one that's famousfor making us sleepy at
Thanksgiving dinner.
We take an amino acid calledtryptophan and the body
methylates it into theneurotransmitter serotonin, 90%
of which is in your gut, andthen it travels up the vagus

(40:18):
nerve into the brain.
It helps create mood andemotion.
So if I'm deficient in thefactory that produces serotonin,
which is in the gut, then I'mgoing to be deficient in the
place where it creates mood,which is in the brain.
And now I get labeled with amood disorder.
And so you don't actually havea mood disorder, you have a
serotonin deficiency secondaryto poor methylation of

(40:39):
tryptophan.
So why don't we put tryptophanand the right complex of
vitamins, specificallymethylfolate, back into your
body so your body can begin toproduce serotonin and restore
natural mood.
Serotonin is a component ofdifferent emotional states,
right.
And then we say, listen, flex,you can be in whatever mood you
want to be in.
You just can't use serotonin.

(40:59):
Serotonin is a part ofpassionation, joy, arousal,
libido, happiness.
So now, any of those moods thatrequire that neurotransmitter
you can't manufacture.
So now you have a mood disorder.
I'm making this up, by the way,I keep pointing at you.
Okay, by the end of the podcastyou're gonna have every.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
It's okay, I'm already ordering some
l-tryptophan you got some, yougot mental disorder.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Hey, buddy, take it easy on me, come on.
Come on, guy, I'm not thatjacked up.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
You're going to trade with me after this too, so
watch your words.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
What I get excited about because it's a message of
hope, and I know that there arepeople listening to this podcast
right now that suffer from mooddisorders, that suffer from ADD
, from ADHD, from OCD, fromruminating thoughts at night,
from gut issues and anxiety.
So let's just get back to theissue of the gut and anxiety.
So serotonin, believe it or not, is also highly involved in gut

(41:48):
motility.
This is the most overlookedthing in all of bariatric
medicine.
You have to think about yourintestinal tract as a 30 foot
long conveyor belt and I knownobody wants to hear a podcast
about gas, bloating, diarrhea,constipation and irritability.
But I'm going to go into ithere for five minutes, because
there are people listening rightnow that have had unresolved
gut issues.

(42:08):
They cannot figure it out andthey're like they go down the
food sensitivity route, they godown the food allergy route,
they go down the gutmicrobacteria route.
They do every stool test knownto mankind and everything seems
to be normal and they think theyhave a food allergy or food
sensitivity.
And when I sit with them forjust a few minutes, you can very

(42:28):
quickly realize that theyactually don't have an allergy.
I say what are you allergic to?
I'm allergic to gluten or I'mallergic to wheat Okay.
Is there ever a time that youcan eat wheat or corn and not
have a reaction?
Yeah, sometimes I can eat cornand I don't blow up like a tick.
Okay, then you're not allergicto corn because?
Okay, because allergies are nottransient.
Allergies are consistent.
The reason why you can eat thesame thing on Monday and not
have a reaction, and eat theexact same thing on Wednesday

(42:50):
and blow up like a tick or beconstipated as hell or have gas
or cramping or bloating or evendiarrhea the reason why you can
have two completely differentreactions to the same food is
because it's not the food that'scausing the reaction.
It is the deficiency insomething called methyl.
The folate that we eat has tobe converted to methylfolate in

(43:13):
order for the body to process it.
If you can't make thisconversion, you have a
deficiency.
44% of the population has thisgenetic mutation.
They have this deficiency.
If you don't supplement withmethylfolate, you will never
restore your gut motility tonormal.
And think of your gut as a30-foot long conveyor belt.
You put contents on it at oneend when they exit the stomach

(43:36):
and as it traverses the smallintestine and the colon and then
exits the rectum.
This conveyor belt moves at avery specific speed.
If you went into any factory inAmerica that works on a conveyor
belt system and you doubled thespeed of the conveyor belt or
you shut the conveyor belt down,the entire factory would break
down, and this is why you get somany issues in the gut related

(43:59):
to the motility, to the pace ofthe gut, and we go after the
bacteria, the food sensitivity,the food allergy.
We try to figure out what is itthat I'm eating that could
possibly be causing this, but itdoesn't seem to correlate to
what we're eating.
The truth is it's deficiency ina nutrient called methylfolate.
The reason why I think thatgenetic test is so important is
this will pinpoint exactly whatyour body cannot convert.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
And that's a interesting, a very interesting
point, because the first time Iactually heard about this test
was you and for me.
I get blood work done everythree months right, but it's not
detailed to what you're saying.
For years, I take 38 vitamins aday right, but not having the
exact information on what Imight be deficient in.
I'm just trying to take all thestuff that I know is going to

(44:43):
be good for me, but probably notin the right amounts in some
cases, and I would think atbirth you'd almost have this
test done and you'd know thesethings for your life.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yes, you can see it as soon as a child can chew and
swallow, you should have thistest done, yeah, and I never
even heard of it before until Iheard it from him.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
To add to that, everything you mentioned earlier
, um, about having xyz test done, xyz abc, that was me.
Yeah, I've done every singlething that you mentioned, and
the food allergy test was thenumber one thing that popped up
on above everything was mustardand mustard seed, and I was
putting mustard on everythingjust because of the calorific

(45:19):
value that is not in there.
But it was amazing that everygut specialist I went to nobody
offered that test to me.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
And nobody talked about motility, motility.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I was getting to that .
Nobody talked about thatwhatsoever.
I got to speak to a couple ofpeople after.
I mean, I spent a lot of money Iwas probably close to six
figures in trying to stay in thegame with all my gut issues and
this was done over a lot ofmoney probably close to six
figures in trying to stay in thegame with all my gut issues,
and this was done over a periodof probably seven years and I
just sucked it up, suck it upout of the cup and I woke up
every single day with a stomachissue, nausea, and granted,

(45:55):
that's kind of part of the game.
I convinced myself, but it'snot.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
It's not at all.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's not at all.
It's not at all.
And there seems like there'ssuch a simplistic, through time
way of trying to attack the gutissues as opposed to getting all
these tests.
And I've done the stool test,I've done the genetic test, I've
done the food test.
Honestly, I had swabs and I'vebeen prodded and nobody gave me
any of this advice that you'retalking about right now.

(46:21):
And I know damn well becausethe fitness industry is just
consumed with supplementation,bad food, not all chicken breast
is the same chicken breast,same for steak, same for
supplements.
There's so many bodybuilders orjust not to put it into a
pigeon group so many fitnessenthusiasts, as well as

(46:41):
high-level competitors, that aregoing through this and just
sucking it up.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I agree, in fact, your community.
I'll give them a littleself-experiment that will
absolutely change their life.
Because of the amount of whiterice and I'm a big fan of white
rice, don't get me wrong Becauseof the amount of white rice
that a lot of bodybuilders eat,they're eating the fortified or
enriched version of that whiterice.
It would change zero of thecaloric or nutritional value of

(47:06):
the white rice to go to theorganic version, the
non-fortified, non-enrichedversion, for seven days.
Don't change your diet.
If you eat white flour, whiterice, white bread, white pasta,
if you eat grains or cereals ofany kind, continue to eat those.
Just choose the non-fortified,non-enriched version.
Flip the label over and if itsays fortified whole wheat or

(47:29):
enriched bleached white flour orenriched white rice, put it
back on the shelf and get thenon-enriched, non-fortified
version.
That's the only change that Iwant you to make.
This is why when you told methat when you moved here from
your country and you came to theUS, this is when the gut issues
started.
The gut issues didn't startwith a food allergy or food
sensitivity.
The gut issues started with theintroduction of folic acid to
your gut and since your bodycannot process folic acid, I

(47:52):
would bet my entire career thatyou have that gene mutation
MTHFR.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
We need the test Flex .

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'll bet my entire career.
We need the test.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I've got to make sure that it's right, because God is
going to lose his career.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, I will quit If he doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
MTHFR.
You'll never see me again.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh, if he doesn't have MTHFR, you'll never see me
again.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Oh dumb, okay, I'll pull all the podcasts down.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
But what you're describing is also like when we
go to Italy and we're onvacation and we're eating pasta
every day and we feel great andwe're like how come Right.
And then you come here and youeat pasta every day and my ass
jiggles for a week Right.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Not that I'm looking at his ass by every you know,
Ask chicles or jiggles?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Both Jiggles Both, Whatever you want to hear.
If it jiggles, it's fat Becausehe has a tendency to make up
words.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Now I think you're making something up too.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I think you'll be making up words in a podcast too
.
It sounds good, though, gary.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
It does.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I make up big scientific words that nobody can
check on.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
But it's so true, man , people say it all the time.
I eat a baguette, a sub here,white bread, and I blow up like
a tick.
I'm in France or I'm in Italyand I eat the bread over there
and I'm fine, because thebread's not, number one, laden
with seed oils and, number two,it doesn't contain folic acid,
it's not sprayed with folic acid.
I can't tell you what an issuethis is for almost 50% of the

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population and that it alsocauses a further deficiency in
methylfolate.
So if you actually supplementedwith the methylated version of
that, right, if you got thefortified or enriched foods out
of your diet, didn't changeanything else about your diet,
got the fortified or enrichedfoods out of your diet,
supplemented with methylfolate.
Actually it's called 5-MTHF,5-methylfolate.

(49:26):
And I tell mothers and fathersof young children that have
tension deficit disorder orimpulse control disorders or
attention span issues or they'refidgety or they're hyperactive
get the folic acid out of theirdiet for a week.
Get a children's methylatedmultivitamin that gummies they
make them in gummies.
There are lots of greatmanufacturers out there and just

(49:48):
watch your child's behaviorchange in seven days.
Seven days and I get so muchflack for this online.
I'm like guys, I don't haveanything to sell from this
vantage point.
I'm just telling you stripthese things out of your kid's
diet, the fortified or enrichedfoods, add a methylated gummy, a
methylated multivitamin, andyou tell me if you don't have an
entirely different child in thehouse at the end of seven days.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeah, and don't let them eat sugar all day either.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, the sugar in the processed foods.
That's a whole differentballgame, but just those two
things alone will.
In the majority of cases itwill improve their attention
span, their behavior, theireverything.
Because when you put compoundsinto their little bodies that
their bodies can't process, youget the consequences of that
right.
And then when they're nutrientdeficient, then they actually
can't function the way thatthey're supposed to function.
So, for example, we callattention deficit disorder, we

(50:35):
say that this is ADD or ADHD isan attention deficit.
It's actually not an attentiondeficit at all, it's an
attention overload disorder.
It's too many windows open atthe same time.
People that have ADD or ADHD,they don't lack the ability to
pay attention, they lack theability to pay attention, they
lack the ability to payattention to so many things.
And so now we say if the mindis racing, then let's put

(51:03):
amphetamines into the body torace the central nervous system
to match the pace of the mind.
That's what Adderall, vyvanse,ritalin, that's what they are.
They're amphetamines, right?
So these are central nervoussystem stimulants.
So let's take the system that'snot broken and break it to
match the system that is.
It's like getting a flat tireand then getting out and
slashing your other three tires.
What if we did the opposite?
What if we knew that attentiondeficit is not a deficit at all,
that it's an attention overload, that the mind is so active

(51:24):
because we are not degradingthought at the rate that we're
creating thought?
And what if we put the rawmaterial into the body to break
down thought?
The complex of B vitamins, aspecific form of vitamin B12
called methylcobalamin, andsomething called methylfolate,
right, all over-the-counternutrients, maybe even something
called trimethylglycine.
What if we put those compoundsback into the human body, we

(51:47):
actually started to break downthese catecholamines, we started
to quiet the neurotransmittersthat are racing in the body and
our attention span returns tonormal right, rather than become
dependent on an amphetaminethat's going to race the central
nervous system, that'seventually going to break the
central nervous system andhooked on it your entire life.
It's going to create adependency or it's going to
create something calledtachyphylaxis, a desensitization
response?

(52:08):
Why don't we just go back tothe basics first?
There's very little risk ingiving the body the raw material
it needs to do its job.
So many of these miracle curesand again I want to emphasize, I
am not licensed to practicemedicine and I don't practice
medicine but so many of thequote-unquote miracle cures that
I get touted for being a partof, they're not miracle cures at

(52:30):
all.
They're just giving the bodythe raw material that it needs
to do its job.
Like the message is not thathopeless, right?
We are not as sick, we are notas diseased, we are not as
pathological as we think we are.
We're nutrient deficient.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Wow, I'm going to actually pick you up on that,
because I don't take on a draw.
Please don't pick me up.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I know you can.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
You're very strong, I'll take you up on that
information Because for me, Idon't take a hard draw.
I definitely have been told Ineed it a few times and it's not
like I haven't tried it.
But, to your point, if I havetried it in the past, I feel
like I am a little bit morecentered, but I'm also still
buzzing.
I'm still all over the place.
But I want to dig into thatbecause that's something of an

(53:10):
interest to me, with me nowdoing a lot more well out of the
gym stuff podcasts, keynotespeaking there's been times
where I have to get highlycaffeinated or some sort of
stimulant to focus myself.
Yeah.
If I could reverse that and godown the different route where I
look at what I need to take tojust what we were talking about.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Understanding exactly what your body needs.
Specifically, we need the test.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
We need the test.
Yeah, and I think everybodywho's listening to this podcast
should start going down thisroute, because we mask so much
stuff in life.
We do, and with Big Pharma,that pill is just so accessible
when you have that conversationwith the doctor, when it's truly
in your cupboards, it's trulyin your pantry.
It is, and it can help you knowover time.
Of course, rome wasn't built ina day.

(53:57):
This is all compounded throughhaving a true version of
yourself, starting off day one,and then let's just say you do
this for a month.
Take that realistic approach tobe like do I have more clarity?
Do I have more kick to my step?
Is my sleep better?
Is my conversations?
Am I pulling the words that I'mlooking for in conversations on

(54:19):
stage, whatever it is?
Are they coming to my head alot sharper?
And this is the interest to me.
Now, obviously, I'm in adifferent chapter in my life,
but I do want to circle backbecause, again, our show is full
of fitness enthusiasts.
What would be the top fivesupplements that you would
suggest for a, I would say, ahigh performing athlete?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Okay, no question.
The number one thing that Iwould do is I would be
supplementing with a mineralsalt in the morning 10 ounces of
water first thing, right out ofbed.
I would hydrate and mineralizethe body.
I use one called Baja Gold SeaSalt B-A-J-A.
You could also use Celtic salt.
This doesn't have quite thesame number of minerals.

(54:59):
In terms of cost for outcome, Idon't think that there's
anything Like my favoritebiohack.
$10 or under.
Biohack is mineral saltsbecause we need 91 essential
minerals.
The majority of us are mineraldeficient.
If you go back and look at thatcomplex chart that I showed you
earlier, you will see that themajority of the cofactors in
there are minerals.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Interesting Flex has it memorized now.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, I'm going to ask him questions about it.
There it is, and I like thatthe figuring out women one I'm
going to actually use that atsome point.
We're mineral deficient and inone I'm going to actually use
that at some point we're mineraldeficient and, for example,
there are nursing homes all overthis country full of elderly
men and women that haveosteopenia or osteoporosis,
protobone disease, that havebeen taking calcium supplements
for 25 years.
So why, if they're taking somuch calcium, why are they not

(55:41):
having, why don't they havestrong bones?
Because bones require 12minerals in order to ossify.
Right Bones are not justcalcium.
Calcium has to combine withsomething called phosphorus and
then when you combine calciumand phosphorus, you form
something called hydroxyapatite,which actually is the density
of bone.
But there are 1200 mineralsthat are required for that.
When you take just branch chainamino acids, for example, you're

(56:03):
not actually getting the fullspectrum of amino acids.
You actually don't build musclewith branch chain amino acids
leucine, isoleucine, valine youneed actually all eight of the
essential amino acids to do that.
So the first thing that I wouldsay in terms of cost, a $10 bag
of Baja Gold sea salt andtaking a quarter teaspoon of
that sea salt in the morningwith 10 ounces of water, lemon,

(56:24):
lemon in there, I do lemon inmine.
Yep, you can absolutely throwlemon in there.
Stir it with a wooden spoon,not a metal spoon.
The metal spoon will interactwith the minerals in there and
it will negate some of them.
So just put it in a glass, takea quarter teaspoon, put it into
the—you can take it with a—itdoesn't have to be a metal—you
can use a metal teaspoon to putit into the glass but then stir

(56:47):
it with a wooden spoon and whackit back.
The second thing that I would dois I would take a full spectrum
amino acid supplement.
I would take a supplement withall eight of the essential amino
acids.
I take one called PerfectAminos, but you have one as long
as it has the full spectrum ofessential amino acids.
The majority of us are aminoacid deficient.
We are not protein deficient.

(57:07):
We use protein macros to get toamino acid macros.
That's really the target we'retrying to get to amino acids.
We think that amino acids areproteins.
They're not.
They're the building blocks ofproteins.
And amino acids don't justbuild muscle.
They also make our naturalkiller cells.
They make our hair, our skin,our nails.
We also can't target directprotein.

(57:28):
We talked about this earlier.
You can't take collagen andhave it show up as collagen in
your skin.
Collagen is actually anincomplete protein.
So if you want to actuallybuild healthy hair, skin and
nails, take a full spectrum ofamino acids right, because
collagen, elastin and fibrin aremade from amino.
We don't eat our nails to growour nails.
We don't eat our hair to growour hair, but we think that we

(57:53):
can eat collagen to growcollagen, which is not true.
We want to have full spectrumof amino acids.
So that would be the secondthing.
And then the last thing is Iwould get a good EPA, dha,
omega-3 supplement.
You can get these from plantsources or from animal sources.
Small fish are great sources,so are plant sources, but make
sure it is an EPA and a DHA,omega fatty acid, because all
human beings need the exact samething.
We need 91 essential minerals,we need eight essential amino

(58:17):
acids and we need two essentialfatty acids.
Essential means they'renecessary for life.
For the record, there is nosuch thing as an essential
carbohydrate.
They're not necessary for life.
I am by no means not tellingpeople not to eat carbohydrates,
but they are not essential forlife, but the majority of the
conditions that we see in ourclinical practice.
We've treated 150,000 patientsthrough my clinic system that I

(58:38):
started 10 years ago.
The majority of the conditionsthat we see stem from one of
those three deficiencies.
And then the next thing that Iwould do is I would militantly
focus on sleep.
I believe that sleep is ourhuman superpower.
If you're not sleeping, you'renot growing.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
We're in trouble, flex.
This is the conversation weneed to roll into, please.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
And I really believe that sleep is our human
superpower and there's not anentrepreneur that I ever speak
to that out of the gate.
If I ask them what their sleeproutine is or what their sleep
hygiene is, they have no planfor their sleep.
It's astounding to me.
They have a plan for theirworkouts.
They got a plan to get theirkids to school in the morning.
They got a plan for the office.
They got a plan for runningtheir business.
They know their incomestatement, their balance sheet,
their P&L.
They know nothing about.

(59:18):
They have no sleep hygiene.
Meaning what time do you go tobed?
Whenever I get to bed, what dosleep?
When I started scheduling allof my meetings and travel around
sleep and exercise, my entirebiophysiology changed.
Sleep is so important for you,especially in the bodybuilding

(59:39):
industry.
At night is when the glymphaticsystem in the brain, the
lymphatic system of the brain,is called the glymphatic system.
In deep sleep, it begins toeliminate waste, repair,
detoxify and regenerate.
The brain cleans itself duringdeep sleep.
If you don't get adequate deepsleep, your brain gets dirty.
What do I mean by dirty?
It gets inflamed because you'renot eliminating cellular waste

(01:00:01):
from the brain.
If you want to talk aboutmental clarity, focus,
concentration, short-term recall.
You get this.
The springboard is from deepsleep.
All right, I did a sleepchallenge the other day, had
thousands and thousands ofpeople participate in a sleep
challenge.
Whoop did it with us.
We sent whoops out to shout out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
That's why I got the whoop originally Shout out Whoop
, they're going to love me.
We need your response to theshow.
Whoop, get in, because oursleep and we'll go into that,
but our sleep has beenchallenged and we both were
trying to figure it out and getbetter.
Yeah, that's why we got it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I'll give you like 10 sleep hacks right now.
Oh yeah, and we'll go from zeroto 15 bucks.
These will change your life.
But we did this sleep challengeand first of all, I love Whoop
because one of the things thatthey do is they do a lot of
research on real-time researchand when you look at clinical
studies on sleep and you takefour or five people, eight
people, and you send them to theUniversity of Miami to enroll
in a sleep study and they gointo a room that's one click shy

(01:00:54):
of a jail cell with some creepydude looking at them through a
two-way mirror and you're layingon a plastic mattress with
electrodes on your head and allover your chest and then they're
like, okay, flex, go to sleep.
You're like it's not workingout too well.
I have the girls that run intomy head and then we extrapolate
that out to this big sleep study.
But WHOOP can take 10,000people, have them, opt into a

(01:01:16):
sleep study, get a baseline onthem after 30 days in their own
environment, sleeping next totheir own spouse in their own
homes, and they can say okay,here we're going to make some
changes to your sleep routine.
We're going to see how thatimpacts your sleep.
I changes to your sleep routine.
We're going to see how thatimpacts your sleep.
I will tell you absolutely onethrough 10, the most impactful
things on sleep.
Number one is alcohol.
No amount of alcohol is goodfor sleep.

(01:01:36):
Zero amount of alcohol isexcellent for sleep.
We did not see in our study andit wasn't a published
peer-reviewed study but we didnot see a single person who had
even as little as a single drinkbefore bedtime not have sleep
disruption.
So if you really want to besleeping well, eliminate the
alcohol.
The second one is to stop eatingtwo hours before bedtime, and I
know for a lot of people that'stough.

(01:01:56):
Bodybuilders, yeah,bodybuilders, it's very tough.
Stop eating two hours beforebedtime.
If not, then consume yourcalories in liquids if possible
before bedtime.
This will be a lot easier onyour system, and this is for a
number of things.
It diverts oxygen to the gut,raises your blood sugar at night
, which actually is stimulatory,and wakes you up and interrupts
the cortisol melatonin cycle.
So stop eating two hours beforebedtime.

(01:02:19):
Surgically darken the room.
And when I say surgicallydarken the room, stand in your
room with all the lights out andtry to find something that is
emanating light.
If there's a fire extinguisher,put a black piece of tape over
the little blue light.
If you've got an alarm clock onthe desk, throw a towel or a
pair of pants over it.
Surgically darken the room.
Drop the screen time in bed,which is really hard for people.

(01:02:39):
Cool the room down two degrees.
Do a contrast shower before bed.
A lot of people, when they laydown to go to sleep at night,
they are body tired but mindawake.
They lay down to go to sleep,their body is exhausted but
their mind starts to race.
This is a rise incatecholamines, a game changer
for people.
If they do the genetic testthat we're talking about is
they'll see that they have agene mutation called COMPT

(01:03:08):
C-O-M-T.
What happens is when they laydown to go to bed at night as
their environment quiets, theirmind wakes up and if you
actually ask them what kind ofthings are you thinking about,
they'll tell you it's the mostinnocuous little nonsense.
I'm thinking about whether ornot I got everything on my
grocery list, if my belt matchedmy shoes today, if I returned
that email, if I posted thatthing on Instagram.
Nothing that couldn't wait tillthe next day.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
And the whoop, and to the point I noticed that my
stress spike happens right atbed.
I think he's the same exact way.
Everything we're talking aboutright now is exactly what I've
been dealing with where at bedat night.
I'm thinking about my to-dolist.
I'm thinking about a lot ofdifferent things.
I tried to start journaling andsome other things to help that,
but I noticed that even on mywhoop it would show like right
before bed boom, I'm starting tospike up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So try this tonight, do a contrast shower.
So get in the shower rightbefore you go to bed.
Run the shower for about twominutes as hot as you can stand
it, really stand under reallywarm water hot water, if you can
stand it and then for the lastminute, turn the shower as cold
as it will go and don't stay infor more than one minute.
What this will do is break thecatecholamine cycle.
So the heat and cold contrastactually will help you

(01:04:10):
downregulate thesecatecholamines and quiet the
mind.
You will dry off and you willlay in bed and as your body
temperature returns to normal,it will quiet the catecholamines
.
I have no affiliation with thissupplement company at all, but
I'm just telling you I've seenit work miracles and people
sleep, including my own.

(01:04:30):
I take a supplement calledMagnesium Breakthrough, I think
it's by BioOptimizers, and allit is is the seven forms of
magnesium, because magnesiumdoesn't just come in one form,
it comes in six or sevendifferent forms.
So this has all seven and Itake that magnesium at night
along with a sleep formula.
It is non-tranquillitic, itdoesn't build a tolerance, it
doesn't create tachyphylaxis.
Magnesium is one of the mostefficient minerals in the human
body and you will wake up, youwill not only sleep better,

(01:04:52):
deeper and have more REM anddeep sleep, but you will have a
bowel movement straight out ofbed first thing in the morning,
which is another thing that mostpeople are not doing.
And if you don't have a regularbowel movement in roughly the
same time another one of thosetopics people don't like to talk
about but if you're not wakingup and having a bowel movement
within the first hour of beingout of bed, that is a terrible
sign, a terrible sign thatyou're not eliminating waste or

(01:05:15):
absorbing nutrients at theproper pace.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Yeah, you want to be a regular kind of guy, right?
Yeah, coffee does make me poop,or maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
It does.
It does too.
Have your coffee and out itgoes.
Yeah, stimulants.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Alexis, are you putting my shopping list
together with all thesesupplements?
Okay, good, I'm making surethat I'm staying on track.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I shout my competitors out all the time.
People are like, oh, he's juston there selling something.
I'm actually selling stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
I don't have an affiliate link with it's driving
me to my competitors because Ithink that they I will say that,
though, Just on that note, wespoke on camera and off camera a
lot of different companies thatyou've promoted, not because
you have affiliation, you talkabout because the quality of the
supplement or the product initself, Talking of which you've
got this little gizmo next toyou.

(01:05:56):
Yeah, I've seen you putting thison.
I didn't really have a chanceto talk about it, but look at
that.
First of all, I thought it wasa water bong.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I thought he was going to water bong in the
middle of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Yeah, a water bong, water bottle?
That says a lot about you.
Yeah, spark it up, no.
But so what is it?
What is the difference?
Tell?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
us.
Look at him.
He's just gonna morph intohokkaido.
It's hydrogen.
Hydrogen water is by far themost beneficial water you can
put in the human body.
Full stop, end of story.
Again, I get a lot of flackabout this too.
There is a website I think youeven pulled it up
hydrogenstudiescom.
So don't take my word for it.
Go to hydrogenstudiescomcomhydrogen studiescom is about
what?
go to see all studies.
So you can go there to see allstudies.
You'll see.
There's about 1335peer-reviewed studies on this

(01:06:37):
site.
Not all of them are specific tohydrogen water.
Some are specific to hydrogengas.
Um, I'm also a huge fan ofhydrogen gas.
You can actually bathe inhydrogen gas too.
I mean, you want to talk abouta recovery tool knees, hips,
shoulders, rotator cuff, anykind of inflammation, arthritis
you can bathe in hydrogen water.
If you have any kind of skincondition scleroderma, psoriasis

(01:06:59):
, eczema just Google hydrogengas and scleroderma, hydrogen
gas and psoriasis or eczema youwill be astounded at what you
can do by using this harmlessgas to enhance your physiology.
This one is called an Echo.
I happen to love this companybecause they had the highest
parts per million that I tested.
There are all these fakeChinese water bottles out there.
You could also use hydrogentablets if you didn't want to

(01:07:21):
spring for a hydrogen waterbottle, but this will negate all
the effects of travel.
It will reduce delayed onsetmuscle soreness.
It'll improve the absorption ofyour vitamins, minerals, amino
acids all the nutrients that arepassing through your gut.
It provides the hydrogen gasthat a whole class of bacteria
in your gut require.
And if you look, if youdeselect out the animal studies
and just look at the humanstudies on this site, you'll

(01:07:43):
just be astounded.
You'll be like where hashydrogen water been all my life?
It is by far the mostbeneficial liquid hack that you
can use in the body.
Just try drinking hydrogenwater for a week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
What is it that you get from that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
So it adds hydrogen gas to the water, right, and
hydrogen gas is harmless tohuman beings.
We're actually 60, I forgetwhat exact percentage hydrogen
by weight.
H2o has two hydrogens, oneoxygen.
So very often when we talkabout whether or not something
is an antioxidant, right, itneutralizes free radicals.

(01:08:17):
It is donating electrons toneutralize a free radical.
So you get a lot of what'scalled negative ORP, negative
oxidative reduction potential.
When you look at the potentialfor something to reduce
oxidation or the potential forsomething to reduce inflammation

(01:08:38):
or reduce free radicals, youmeasure this by something called
negative ORP, the negativeoxidative reduction potential.
If you look at tap water, ithas a positive ORP, which means
it is pro-inflammatory.
If you look at hydrogen water,it has a negative 600 ORP.

(01:09:00):
So this means it has hundredsof times more potential to
reduce inflammation than tapwater.
First of all, I think that thefirst thing anybody should do is
inflammation than tap water.
First of all, I think that thefirst thing anybody should do is
is never drink tap water againmakes the frogs gay tap water
makes the frogs gay I don't knowif that men start to like men
but I've seen this a coupletimes now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Jay rock I've spread in false information hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
It's because a male becomes a female, so I mean
technically it's not gay,because then it likes males.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I'm with Gaudier.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
But something weird happens.
It's the quote.
It's the Alex Jones quote,that's what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Anyways, dude, the woke mom is just trying to do it
.
He's trying, he just gotcensored.
Regardless, it's not good.
This is going so well and nowwe just got freaking taken off.
Well, I know we just gotfreaking taken off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
It's not good for you .

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Don't drink tap water , yeah so I look at him trying
to save the day, Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
No, it's the fluoride and the chlorine Fluoride.
Most people don't even realizewhere fluoride comes from.
Fluoride is fluorosilicic acid.
Fluoride is the byproduct ofindustrial fertilizer production
.
It's the waste product fromindustrial phosphate fertilizer

(01:10:14):
production.
So when we make hundreds ofmillions of metric tons of
phosphate fertilizer, which weuse all over this country in
agriculture, there's a wasteproduct.
We have to take thefluorosilicic acid out because
this actually kills the plant,and so we don't want to use
fertilizer that kills the plant,so we take the toxic byproduct
out.
That toxic byproduct,fluorosilicic acid, is then what
we put into the municipal watersupply as fluoride.

(01:10:34):
And if you look at the 2023National Toxicology Program, so
you can Google NationalToxicology Program Fluoride
Study Just Google that andyou'll see that in all of the
municipalities with very fewexceptions and you'll see that
in all of the municipalitieswith very few exceptions it may
have been four or fivemunicipalities that they didn't
find this.
In the more than 3,500municipalities where they
studied the water quality, theyfound a direct, an inverse,

(01:10:57):
relationship between fluorideand IQ.
So this means as fluoride wentup, iq went down.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
She's talking about it on this study right here,
right there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Is that the National Toxicology Program?
Yeah, somewhere there it'sgoing to.
Yeah, fluoride exposure, neuraldevelopment, cognition,
cognition Okay.
Fluoride fluorosilicic acid isa neurotoxin.
If you look at the label onyour toothpaste, if more than

(01:11:27):
necessary for toothbrushing isswallowed, contact poison
control immediately.
Literally says if you swallowthe toothpaste, contact poison
control.
But the amount of fluoride youwould swallow in two or three
times the amount that you woulduse to brush your teeth is a
fraction of what you would drinkin a normal day if you just
drank tap water.
So why don't we call poisoncontrol when we're done drinking
tap water at the end of the day, only if we swallow it with

(01:11:49):
fluoride toothpaste?
So get a toothpaste that hashydroxyapatite.
If you're looking for afluoride alternative, get
toothpaste that havehydroxyapatite and you can get
the fluoride out of yourtoothpaste and you can also
remineralize the enamel of thetooth, which is what we're
trying to do with fluoride.
But when we ingest high amountsof fluoride, this is a
neurotoxin.
It affects especially inprepubescent teens.

(01:12:10):
It's just another one of thosechemical salts that we put on
the body.
So I would not only filter mywater, I would.
If you're really looking forthe best biohack, I would be
drinking hydrogen rich water,and the reason why I love this
thing is because it's just abattery operated thing.
I take it on every flight thatI go on it.
I just hit the button and itputs the hydrogen gas into the
water and then you drink.
What is that one called again?
Echo, E-C-H-O.

(01:12:32):
There is a ton of Chinese fakesout there.
As soon as you see one that'sin glass run and that doesn't
have the tensile strength tohold the hydrogen gas.
It takes a lot of pressure tocreate that gas.
It has to be something calledTriton plastic, which is a
BPA-free that doesn't leachbisphenols.
This is one of those productsthat I found and I was like
these guys deserve remorse.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
What is that brand called?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Echo, Echo okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Echo Water Go on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
I was going to say I didn't want to go off the water,
but I can't help but think tomyself right, Because we sit
here and we're talking about allthese poisons.
We're sitting here aboutbobbing and weaving everything,
everything that's around us,right, and we need to change.
As you said, it's a pandemic ofhealth in our country and I
know for me, politics aside,seeing RFK going forward in this

(01:13:16):
maha, that's what I was goingto ask you about.
Right, because it's the firsttime I've seen this being
actually addressed and someonewho's like that's what I'm
coming in here to do, so Iwanted to ask you about that, I
plan to personally play a bigpart in that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
If the Trump administration is successful in
winning the election and that'snot to make a political
statement at all If we can'tagree on getting the poison and
toxins out of our food supply,then there's nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
It's not a red-blue issue, it's an all-of-our-human
issue.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
We have the highest rate of childhood cancer right
now.
We have the highest rate ofautism.
We have the highest rate of ADD, adhd, ocd and manic depression
.
We have the highest rate ofteen suicide.
If we cannot begin to addressthe toxic soup that our children
are bathing in, then we willnever not only fix the pandemic
of chronic disease in thiscountry, but we will never face
and correct the corruption inour food supply.

(01:14:13):
There's no reason why themajority of the funding for our
National Institute of Healthshould come from Big Food.
There's no reason why BigPharma should be able to have
five lobbyists for every singlemember of Congress.
There's no reason why we shouldbe able to advertise directly
to consumers pharmaceuticalproducts when the consumer is
not even responsible for thechoice of whether or not they
can put that product into theirbody.
That's done by a physician, soadvertised directly to the
physician.

(01:14:33):
If we were able to get thecorruption, in my opinion, out
of the food supply.
If you look at the cozyrelationship between big pharma
and the FDA, the cozyrelationship between big food
and the majority of nutritionalresearch in this country, this
is what led to the food pyramid.
We need to actually put thefood pyramid- what a joke, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
What a joke.
And you got your boys oversteak.
Who else is close in there?
Is Bill Gates, right, he'spushing forward, not close on my
team.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
You are definitely trying to suppress this podcast.
Yeah, dude.
No, but with that said, though,we have to start looking at who
is the health ministers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Have you actually seen?
I have seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Yeah, the health minister and then the health
ministers across the world.
It's like how can you have ahealth minister telling
everybody to xyz when they'renot even in shape or even look
like they even train or attemptto eat in shape?

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
they're the same people telling you to eat fruity
pebbles every morning becauseit's better it's better for you
than meat because it's top ofthe food channel.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
We've had such a war on fat.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
We've had such a war on cholesterol.
We've actually had such a waron cholesterol.
We've actually had such a waron whole foods.
Now they're saying that havingchildren is stressful, having
your own home garden is addingto greenhouse emissions, that
cow farts are actuallyresponding.
My goodness, there she is.
There she is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
They're taking away all of our farms.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I kept confused.
One minute is one, one is theother.
Either way, politically they're.
Yeah, she is.
I don't know, there's all theseterminologies these days.
I'm the podcast boss, I can saywhat I want you guys can just
mumble in the background, but tothe point is, that is, who is
leading the front?

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yes, that's who's leading the front.
We need a change, yeah, we needa change.
We need to change.
Yeah, we need to change and weneed to.
I did a podcast with CallieMeans, which, if you don't watch
any other podcasts on theUltimate Human, please watch the
Callie Means podcast becausethis is a brother and sister.
He was a, I believe.
He graduated from Harvard andwas a lobbyist for Big Food, Big
Pharma, and she's a Stanfordtrained E, and they both

(01:16:22):
essentially came to the sameepiphany at the same time that
if we don't fix the toxic soupthat our biology is bathing in
and fix the corrupt food system,then we will never fix the
pandemic of chronic disease.
When autism has gone from onein 5,000 to one in 36 children,
and they believe that it'll beone in five yeah, I've seen it
when the rates of cancer arealmost 50% and we have the

(01:16:45):
highest rates of childhoodcancer, when we have a pandemic
of mental illness in my opinion,we have a lack of mental
fitness, not a pandemic ofmental illness then we have got
to put nutrients back into thehuman body.
The public school system isthinking of carb lunch going to
Lunchables to feed these kids.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
There's such a major problem, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Four to five-year-old rich dough and corn syrups,
burgers that's what we got askids in our schools, and it's
not just to create fear.
I do this thing on my Instagramcalled lateral shifts, where I
take any food that somebodylikes to eat and I call it a
lateral shift.
I will promise them two things.
One, I will shift it tosomething that tastes exactly
the same.
They will not deny the choicethat I give them because of

(01:17:29):
taste.
And the second thing is I won'tadd a dime to their budget.
And it's astounding that whenyou go into people's cabinets or
their refrigerator and a lot ofpeople just really don't know
what choice can I make, and youopen up the refrigerator and,
okay, what do you like to eat inhere?
I like to eat this Dannon withyogurt with fruit on the bottom.
Okay, let's look at that.
That's got 54 grams of sugar.
You see this word here thatsays artificial fruit flavoring.
That's code word for ain't gotno fruit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
I'm going to use that .
Ain't got no fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
And then you see these food dyes Red dye, number
40.
Blue dye, number 9.
Yellow dye, number 60.
Poisons Okay, these are.
They kill the microbiotics, sothey're bactericidal.
So so if you're eating thisbecause you think it has
probiotics, those probioticshave been killed by the food dye
.
So now this has no probiotics.
54 grams of sugar, no fruit,even though it says artificial

(01:18:14):
fruit flavoring.
It tastes like blueberry.
So which one do you like?
You like the blueberry?
Okay.
So now we're going to go to thegrocery store.
We're going to buy whole fatGreek yogurt.
Please stop being afraid of fat.
Whole fat Greek yogurt.
We're going to buy a fistful.
We're going to buy a littlebasket of organic blueberries
and some monk fruit and you'regoing to take the whole fat
greek yogurt, put in a bowl,throw in a fistful of

(01:18:34):
blueberries and take a teaspoonof monk fruit and mix it up.
You tell me if you can tell thedifference.
And now we've just significantlyupped the nutritional value,
haven't changed the taste,actually reduced the cost,
because I buy the yogurt by thecourt and not buy these
individual packs that you chargea lot for.
So you, you've reduced yourbudget.
You've significantly increasedthe nutritional value of it.
It's going to be more satiatingbecause you're going to, so
you're going to eat less andyou're doing just a lot for your

(01:18:55):
cellular biology.
And if we just go food by foodlike this, I try to give a voice
to a lot of food products thatare like.
There's a like a tortilla chipcalled masa chips, which is
organic, non-gmo corn, grass-fedbeef, tallow and sea salt.
That's it.
It's better than any doritoyou'll ever eat in your life.

(01:19:15):
And you look at the back of abag of doritos, besides the msg
and the food dyes and the sodiumthere's it's genetically
modified corn.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
It's not even a food and I think that's true for a
lot of foods, and I always pickup my labels and if you see more
than five ingredients, thenit's probably bad.
Yeah, my house it's my wife.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
My wife's a registered dietitian.
So she so my house has gotwhole healthy snacks.
My kids eat so all whole foods.
You know how good my kids have.
My kids prefer water.
They don't even know what dietdrinks are sodas and stuff.
My daughter might have had oneand she'll brag about it.
Tell me like she like she toldme I came home yesterday from a
speaking engagement.

(01:19:51):
She said Daddy, I had a DietCoke yesterday.
Cool, you won't see one for along time either.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
That was not me when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I was on my fourth pop.
I was on my fourth pop a day.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
We didn't have any information.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
I still remember getting ready to go to the bus
and I still remember gettingready to go to the bus and my
mom would always, because Iwould try to pick the
marshmallows out of the bowl andshe would make me eat the whole
.
How much she loved me.
She would make me eat all thecereal and it was the big, like
the whole skim milk thing.
We had skim milk Lucky Charmsand I would take the Lucky
Charms out and line them up onthe counter and I would eat the
cereal first, just to get overwith, and then I would get the

(01:20:25):
marshmallows and I think back onthe food dyes and everything.
The messaging to the massesneeds to change.
It needs to change and all youreally need to do is go to
Disney World or UniversalStudios and take a walk right
through the center of DisneyWorld to see what trouble we are
in.
You want to see a slice out ofmiddle class America?
Just go to Disney World, yeah,and you can see the trilogy
grandma's in a motorizedwheelchair with a two liter

(01:20:47):
thing of soda in a wheelchair,mom's waddling behind with a
fanny pack because she can't puther hands in her pockets, right
, so everything's in a fannypack.
And then this beast,prepubescent child, is walking
behind them and you see them.
They got a 64 ounce Big Gulp intheir hand.
They got a funnel cake in theother hand and you go.
Man, that's just deep friedwhite flour in seed oil
sprinkled with sugar and fivecans of soda.

(01:21:08):
It's insane that kid doesn'thave a chance, and I think that
it really needs to be a top-downapproach, and if I'm ever
blessed enough to have a rolewith RFK and some of the really
brilliant minds that areaddressing these issues with the
food supply, then I'm going todo everything I can to get that
message out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
I'm with you on that, that element of things, and I
was speaking to do everything Ican to get that message out.
I'm with you there, thatelement of things, and I was
speaking to the guys before westarted this podcast today and
we spoke about it last weeksometime.
But J-Rock's friends with RFKJr, so he and I were trying to
get him on the podcast becausewe align with a lot of his stuff
that he's been speaking about.
Super aligned with him and, youknow, with him going in with his

(01:21:47):
plan of attack.
That is something of a massiveinterest to me.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, a numberof years ago, done the what was
it called again Tyus thePresidential Physical Fitness
Awards yeah, awesome.
Remember he'd done that beforehe got into the politics.
I would love to find my way ina role where I can get in front
of just general gen pop and justbreak down certain things, be

(01:22:09):
the middle guy between somebodylike yourself and the gen
general public yeah so I couldspeak to them and educate them
in, maybe again more of aunderstandable level, because
obviously you can do that too.
But where I'm at right now, Ihave this draw to to get
involved with the general publicand just break these

(01:22:29):
perceptions and these ideologiesthat they've learned from again
the people who are paying allthe ads.
Yeah, they want to keep themsick.
They want to keep them fat,they want to keep them obese.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
They make money.
They make a lot of money doingthat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
I mean as a statement of fact the most profitable
thing for a big pharma is a sickchild.
Just as a statement of fact,thing for Big Pharah is a sick
child.
Just as a statement of fact,Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Gary, I know we are over the time of the podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
I really appreciate it.
I got one more Flex.
I got one more too Personalstory.
Oh yeah, I know this Personalstory.
Do you want to?

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
end with that.
Yeah, go ahead, I'll leave youwith that.
The only reason because, gary,when you and I met in Utah with
our boy Keaton at Limitless, youhad just flown from Dubai.
I think you've seen your clientover there.
If you don't mind me namedropping Ronaldo.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I came from.
Ronaldo Gary was telling mewhen he landed that he had, even
though he was on the edge ofhis seat for three or four days
running here, running there hewas, he hitting a hundred
percent on his sleep score.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
I was blown away wow, I was posting him on that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Yes, and then he showed me and I was falling and
we're so far away from that, soI'm 50, but the protocol that
gary does on the road I justwant to let the fans and the
viewers know this where,wherever he travels to, it
doesn't stop, even on the plane.
Gary was putting your PEMF matdown to sleep and you documented

(01:23:53):
from the time that you leftDubai to the time you landed and
you showed your sleep score100%.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Your habits are everything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Yes, habits are everything and I just want to
commend you on that too.
It's not just something thatyou talk from the podcast, you
live the life truly, and you'vegot the stats and you show it on
your instagram and the pemfmatt.
I know I should have broughtthis up early in the podcast,
but I'm very interested in that.
That is something I've not done, but you have been talking
about this more, or maybe I knowif you did.

(01:24:21):
I'm hearing it more from you,but you were one of the only
guys, to my knowledge, in mycircle of circles that are
talking about this pemf matt.
So what?
So what is?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
it.
Every one of the professionalathletes that I work with, all
of what I would call thesuperhuman athletes that I work
with.
I all have them using a PEMFmat.
So let me preface it by sayingthat you can get very similar
results by taking your shoes offand touching the surface of the
earth.
Earthing and grounding is avery real thing.
We discharge into the earth.
The earth has a magnetic field.
It's called a low Gauss current.

(01:24:49):
This is a measurable field.
You can actually look at yourcellular biology pre and post
touching the surface of theearth and you can see dynamic
changes even in your bloodchemistry before and after
touching the surface of theearth.
So I want to preface this bysaying that, because my
intention is not to just sell abunch of PMF mats.
If you have the budget for it,however, you can buy a pulse

(01:25:10):
electromagnetic field mat PMFmat which mimics the current
from the surface of the earth.
This PMF field.
I have one down the center of mybed.
It gets both my wife and I.
It goes out about six feet ineither direction.
I run it for 30 minutes beforeI go to sleep at night.
You will wake up alkaline everymorning Because, remember, ph
stands for potential hydrogens,the potential of hydrogen.

(01:25:36):
It's a charge.
Ph is a charge.
You cannot change the charge inthe body by drinking alkaline
water, right?
So that essential water is,it's great that it's essential
water, but it won't change thepH of the blood, right?
That's the biggest fallacy eversold to the public.
If you want to change thecharge in the body, you run a
lowuss current through the body.
So I think it's one of the mostprolific things you can do for
longevity, for anti-aging, forpeople that are really into
bio-optimization, for cellularrepair, to restoring what's
called vasomotor activity in thebody, the microvascular

(01:25:58):
circulation in the body which,by the way, is 70% of our
circulation.
70% of the circulation in thehuman body is not done by the
heart.
The heart cannot reach 70% ofour circulatory system.
It shocks people when I saythat, but it's patently true.
The 70% of our circulation isdone by something called the
vasomotor.
It's a peristaltic, wave-likemotion.
It's like a snake swallowing amouse.
The PEMF is very good forvasomotor activity.

(01:26:21):
If you are a bodybuilder, ifyou're an athlete, if you put a
lot of stress on your body,pulse electromagnetic field
could be one of the best thingsthat you do.
They're not inexpensive,they're a few thousand bucks.
But again, in my opinion, assoon as you become marginally
successful in life, you shouldstart reinvesting back into your
health.
Like I have a red light therapybed.
It's a full body red lighttherapy bed.

(01:26:43):
It's $120,000.
I don't expect anyone to buy a$120,000 bed.
But if you're going to buy aFerrari, buy a red light therapy
bed before you actually investin a Ferrari.
That Ferrari will do nothingfor your cellular biology.
Wow, that red light therapy bedwill do enormous things for you
.
Might get you laid.
Yeah, the Ferrari might get youlaid.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
I don't know, I'm just saying you can kick over to
your place.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
You got to look at the positive flex Open the
curtain and see the red lightcoming through.
Is it like in Amsterdam orsomething?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
I don't know, if red light therapy ever got you laid
but PMF medicine.
I'm a huge fan of PMF Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Mr J-Rock, you can land the show with your last
story All right, All right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
So we talked about it a little bit earlier in the
show and I think it's awell-known fact now that you did
save Dana White's health andhis life, but you did also ruin
his wardrobe.
I did and so when I say that Ihave a McCormick suit store at
the Cosmopolitan called Stitched, I just got a suit there

(01:27:44):
yesterday.
That's his place.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
That's your place, that's his place.
They just made me a suityesterday.
That's his place.
That's your place.
That's his place.
They just made me a suityesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Money.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
In fact, these are from Stitch.
I bought these yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Those are the best pants.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Those are the pants I keep trying to tell you to get
because they're so comfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Yes, and they're stretchy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I tell everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
That's right next to the little.
Our air conditioner wasn'tworking, though Great store AC's
down 92 degrees in there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Oh man, I kid you not .
We'll cut that part of the show.
Don't worry.
So Patrice is like no, duringthe period of time where Dana
White met Gary Brekka, he's justcutting weight like nobody's
business.
So we were doing custom suits,so we had them measured.
And like we had them measuredand we go back and he dropped 20
pounds and it was like, ah, Ithink I'm done.

(01:28:31):
We come back a few weeks later,ah, dropped another 38 pounds,
lost four inches off my waist,and we're like, oh, and this is
a moving target and with customclothing you've got to be exact.
So end up four or five timeslater we finally got it on the
sixth one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
It wasn't a complete new suit that you had.
That's job security for youdude.
I feel like I should get 15%.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
We'll talk after the show.
I'll squeeze 60.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
Oh, yeah, now that I know you win, lexus is going to
be my business partner.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
You heard about products I'm promoting.
Do you have equity in thatproduct?
I did, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
You better have that in Stitch no question.
But the fact that you'rewearing the pants now is so
funny.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
And I literally had a suit delivered.
It was on the pool table.
We've got to get you the Lycrashirts too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Wait a minute, those are what I always get him in the
gentleman when I was doing yourvoice note I don't know if you
heard the voice note there's aguy that walked past with a suit
jacket, a Stitch cover over thesuits, and I said, oh nice,
suit, mate, and I go.
And I speak to you and I said Ijust walked past somebody that
has your brand mate Going up tomy house.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
And he was going to your room.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Yeah, yeah, yes, freaking.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
A Look at this.
It all circled there yesterday,dude.
Wow, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I appreciate that and I definitely warehouse that's
not open to the public and we goin there, lock the door.
He brings the stylist in.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
It's unstitched and essentially it's our warehouse,
but we turned it into a realstore and everything we put out
is couture.
So if it doesn't sell on theseason, we take it off and it's
in there, so you're gettingsomething brand new.
So we could actually set up anice little private shopping for
all of us.
That would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
How about it, gary?
I think me and you, we're notshy of words.
My friend Indeed.
I think that this has been thepodcast that our guest has
spoken more than anybody, and inthe best way possible.
The information and theknowledge that has come through
our years and through for yourguys, wherever you are around
the world, has been incredible.
Matt, honestly, I trulyappreciate you.

(01:30:32):
You're a wealth of knowledge.
I know we will do anotherepisode because there's so many
notes that I've put in you andquestions along with you.
I know because we were puttingour head into the show and, matt
, you just went from topic totopic with, again, no prompts.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
A lot of value, a lot of value out of this podcast
guys.
A lot of value, a lot of value.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Obviously, we're timestamping this, guys, so make
sure that you bookmark whateveryou want from this, because
we've covered so many differentthings.
And again, gary man, trulyappreciate you and all you've
done for so many of our mutualfriends.
Yeah, there's so many celebrityfriends that are kind of stuck
in their ways right, whetherit's ego or whatever else.
I've hired this person beforeYou've gone in and, however

(01:31:16):
you've done it, you've been ableto infiltrate their mindsets.
And there's a lot of big namesthat you're working with and
changed their lives, andeverybody who has crossed the
path with Gary, who is workingwith Gary, all have said you
have changed my life, and thathas got to be incredible.
My friend and we're justtalking about the people we know

(01:31:36):
, let alone from the tens ofthousands of other people who
have been able to change theirlives on, and all the millions
around the world that have takenknowledge, such as J-Rock and
myself titbits you're there andthe fans that are watching
around the world that put itinto their lives, that have felt
a little bit better or trulychanged their mindset on
whatever it could be.
I want to just say thank youfrom us and thank you for all

(01:31:57):
the fans that are watching you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
I look forward to having you back.
I love getting the message out,man.
Thank you for giving me theplatform.
Absolutely Appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
This is Flex, this Appreciate you this is.
Flex.
This is Rock, this is.
Jerry, oh yeah, we are out.

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