Jesse James | Bodybuilding, Magic, & Comedy | Straight Outta The Lair Podcast - Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
straight out the lap, joined today by somebody that I
think if you don't know thisguy, you've been hiding under a
rock somebody, somebody whomakes me laugh and again has
created some of the mosthilarious skits, from putting on
body suits all the way down toputting Dana White through a

(00:36):
workout.
The man, the myth, jesse James.
Welcome to the show, my friend.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you, can I clap for myself?
No, I'm kidding, you can clapyou could.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yes, what's show, my friend.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you, my mom.
Can I clap for myself?
No, I'm kidding, you can clap,you could.
Yes, what's up, my friend.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
How are you doing?
I'm good.
I'm in Vegas right now.
I know the Olympia's thisweekend.
Finally in front of this cutelittle thing.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
You're also hunting big buff women, I hear what.
You're also hunting big buffwomen, I hear.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We're shooting a video.
We are shooting a video aboutfemale bodybuilding, and amongst
professional femalebodybuilding there is PED usage.
So we are in search for thosewho are jacked women and on PEDs
, all right.
Did someone not tell you thathave?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
you ever heard of that before?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Flex.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Never Moving on.
Listen for the show.
There's no holds bars.
You don't have to watch yourp's and q's or the f-bombs.
We've got software.
Because of old youtuberssuppressed everything.
Because, oh yeah, I come offhot with the f-bombs, I can't
even use it.
I think somebody said in thefirst two minutes yeah, either

(01:42):
way, be careful, wes, wes.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Watson dropped 178 F-bombs to be clear, that is
true.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
So I don't know if you want to challenge him, but I
think we're not going thatdirection.
But, my friend, you and I aretwo passing ships.
Yeah, I know, we have tried toalign and get together.
You've hit me up.
I've hit you up.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Literally bro.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like ping pong, yes, literally, bro.
It's like ping pong, yes, andit's not even.
We're truly not trying to avoideach other.
Rock we, we have, he's hit meup hey I'm in vegas, bro, I've
just, I've just left to la, Ijust left from la, yeah, and
then we sat behind each otherthe power slap.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
We finally were like, hey, hey you, we will do this.
Yes, yes, we're here now.
I'm glad to be here, man.
Yes, yes, and welcome to thegym, bro dude.
I've been here once.
So in 2021 I came out heresometime in the summer.
I was, uh, I was visiting withum david late actually, so we
have a video of it um, and wecame, we lifted here, quickly

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hit a, get a nice film session,did a little cardio that day,
and then we went to Circa and wepicked up girls with magic.
That was what we did that day.
Okay, tell me about this.
Dave knows a ton of magictricks, like he's basically a
magician, and we came from LA.
He was basically my roommatefor a little while and we we

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drove here, hit the gym, then wewent to Circa and he did these
tricks to girls and kind of waslike wingmanning me.
I was single at the time.
I'm now happily engaged,getting married next year
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Shout out Claudia, let's go, claudia, paying this
guy down.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And so he's like doing these card tricks where he
like would put one in thegirl's like teeth and then one
in my teeth and then do somemagic and then they would switch
, and then they would be like itwas the one that she put in her
mouth, the one I put in mymouth, and then I would get her
number or something.
So it was just like some.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's a rad pickup line, but bottom line.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
It did work.
It did work.
Dave was crushing the magic.
And then I'd be like what'syour name, what's your number,
and if you know some magictricks, I feel like that will
separate you out there.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, Tyus the producer is a magician, Wow yeah
.
So, Tyus, Yo Well, I don't needyou.
I'm happily married so I'mfucked, but it could impress
some people.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, man, you're off the market so fuck.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Tell us you're not in good use at all, my friend.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
The kids out there.
Pay attention.
You want to get laid, startdoing magic.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, yes, You're either going to be looked at as
really cool or weird, or likewhat is he doing yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
They're like bro, did you carry that?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
fake rabbit around in your pocket all day and you're
like, yeah, did it work?
Yeah, no, so it was asuccessful Vegas trip.
It was it was Good, good, goodNumbers on the board.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's what we do, you know Put numbers on the
board.
So you're a seven time right?
Yeah, seven time, why not eight?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Well, I decided stop at six.
Right, seven was the luckynumber for me and I told the
world that I was going to bedone at seven.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And I put it out there and I retired on top
undefeated and it was a good runfor me, but obviously I didn't
expect to buffer that to be mylast show, but it was, and the
story continues.
Which one was your favorite?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
who am I is this my podcast, you can tell this guy's
trade.
Oh, here's the thing I actuallygenuinely have like questions
that like I would like if wewent out to dinner I'd ask you
well, technically we don't havethe dinner in front of us, but
we can do the questions if youwant.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Which one was your favorite?
I would say so.
This is a, this is a.
I would say three of them.
I know that narrows it down.
First, just to reassure myselfthat all them sleepless nights
and sacrifice was well worth it,just getting that tick.
But then I have this philosophyand this mentality of you can't

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win once.
You win the title when youdefend the title.
So, the second one and the lastone wow, because the last one I
went out on my terms the bestbest look I had and I was able
to tell myself to be presentthat I wasn't for the last six
so I can remember everything,from the heat on the stage, the
people in the audience, theinteractions with the fans, all

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prior.
Six were all muddled together,but the last one I was there
well, the last one you also werehaving having adi as well,
right?
no, adi was there for for fromthree on.
Okay, yeah, my daughter.
So that played a massive factorinto dad life.
Yeah, that is going to be inyour future, my friend dude,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I, me and my fiance, we're getting married in july
next year and super excited andthen the like number one
priority.
She keeps telling me and I'mdown with whatever.
I'm like, all right, let's,let's have kids.
She's like we're having, we'regoing for babies right away.
Wow she wants to knock it out,she's ready she like, if we
weren't getting, if we didn'thave a date, I feel like we
would would probably be eithertrying to have a kid or, if it

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happened, it's like, hey, whatthe heck, who cares?
Let's be amazing parents, whichis really weird saying out loud
.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
It is, but I'm also excited.
No, it's a thing, and I toldyou this because I'm a little
older and I still haven't hadany kids and I told him like I
feel ready to have a child andmaybe it just took me a long
time to get there, but it's acrazy thing thinking about like
preparing for that as a man,like it's just like a.

(07:16):
I mean, I'm a woman, obviouslyas well, but it's just a
completely different chapter oflife, right In an evolution as
men.
Yeah, completely differentchapter of life right In an
evolution as men.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, it's just, it's crazy, but you're never ready
Like I didn't.
It's not like I wasn't tryingfor my first, but I wasn't also
not not trying either.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
So it happened on God's time and the second one
came six years later.
Trust me, I would love to havehit the target fucking faster
than that, but I'm not saying Ididn't enjoy the process after
number two.
But there we go, so that is inyour future.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
That's what I say.
I'm like, hey, we can practiceall we need until game day,
that's right, just practice,practice, you know just get it
right, makes it perfect, makesit perfect.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But, bro, talking of you, know, jesse James, that we
all know and everybody who'stuning in.
You know obviously you've gotthe side that we just mentioned,
the new chapters.
You know now that you've got afantastic relationship.
You know getting married, thatevolution stage, but the Jesse
James that I follow and come tofall in love with, not literally

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calm down, calm down.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Damn, I got excited yeah he did, he did.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
But the guy that I've seen just evolve on social
media was that always you Like,was that confidence?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
always there in front of the camera, or is that
something that has evolved overtime?
You know it's pretty wild, sonot a lot of people know this,
only some do.
I've been on social media sinceI was 12.
I'm 24 now, wow.
So I started off makinglacrosse videos when I was 12
years old under Spartan strings.
It was me and my best friend.
We just took our iPhones,filmed some stuff, um, and me
and my high pitch voice.

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We would do reviews.
We would do like productreviews and stuff.
Like companies would send usstuff for free.
We'd talk about it.
We, you know, string it up, tryit, try, try it, try it out.
Um, and and basically we werelike learning marketing from a
very young age, which I thinkthis all really helped build my
whole like mind from a young age, like molded me, um, and it got

(09:15):
me very comfortable in front ofa camera from 12, you know,
like 12 years old.
A lot of most kids are notmaking content at 12 years maybe
nowadays a little more, butlike, especially like 12 years
ago.
Yeah, no youtube was still sonew, it was like five years old.
I didn't even I didn't look atviews, I didn't do any.
I just was like, hey, let's, Isee people making other lacrosse

(09:36):
videos, I'm gonna make them too.
Looks fun.
And I always had this sort ofentertainer, uh personality.
Since I was a kid where I mean I, I definitely could I will
straight up say like I'mdefinitely someone that enjoys
attention, like I.
That's what I do for a living.
I do things to get attentionand build business around it,

(09:56):
basically, and try to do itsmarter and get more and more,
and that's just the way it is,is what social media is.
But as a kid I wasskateboarding, I was scootering,
bmxing, uh all sort of likeextreme sports, from like four
till probably 12.
There was like eight years ofme doing it every day and it was
very much performative for me.
Where I'm at the skate park andthe older, the older skater

(10:19):
bros are like dude, this littleguy shredding, oh my God, and
that must've just I must'vegotten a lot of dopamine release
from that, literally, if youbreak it down where I was like,
wow, I love when people arecheering me on like this.
So I knew my parents knew froma young age he's either going to
go try to be a pro skater, he'sgoing to go try to be a pro
athlete, or he'll be on TV.
And they were like this isthat's who Jesse is.

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And I was very uh, a, very muchlike a live soul from like a
young age and so when I foundYouTube, I kind of just fell
into it with lacrosse and thenover the next, let's say, six
years, from 12 to 18, making alllacrosse content, I w I ended
up being like a top player inthe country.
Um, I was like ranked 37 in thecountry for my position.
So I was top 120 player in thein the nation, um, and you know,

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that was my life for a verylong time and I feel like I also
, when I played my sport was itwas a performance in a way,
where when I was on the field,like I didn't just I played very
unique, where it kind of justlike had like a like a lack of
better terms like a sparkle toit, you know, and when the crowd
cheered, I loved it, you know,and like and like the other

(11:31):
teams like shit, and then ourteams cheering on like I, I,
just I loved that aspect.
It wasn't even the fact of likescoring the goal, that was
awesome.
It was just like the crazinessof getting to that point to then
score the goal and then thecrowd going nuts.
It was kind of like theengulfing of, like the craziness
of getting to that point tothen score the goal and then the
crowd going nuts.
It was kind of like theengulfing of like the theatrics
of it.
And I've thought about this alot because I'm like, why, why
am I like this?
Why am I, you know, like, verylike out there and the way I am.

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And I feel like that's where itcomes down to.
I've always been sort of aperformer and even my mom would
always say like, if I was, let'ssay I had some games where I
wasn't playing well, and she'slike, just go out there and like
, just put on a show, like, justdo your thing.
And I remember a coach one timecame up to me.
He's like, dude, just don'tthink, just have your swagger,

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and you're good.
And very like dad-ish to saylike go have that swag man, but
shout out, coach brennan, thereyou go, you know.
But he said that to me and Iremember I was in a rut for a
few games and he said that and Iwas like you know what?
Like, let's just go fuckingperform.
And it's not even about I wantto go be better than the next
guy, it was just perform andthat just made me the best

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player on the field that I couldbe.
So when I got into youtube andfilming, it was very much this,
a similar vibe, where it's forme this is like a performance
and as much as I am me, I'm verymuch me off camera, as me on
camera Like it's.
It's maybe a little amplifiedcause I'm just having fun, like
when you're at a water park andyou're having fun when you're a
kid.
It's almost like I get thatfeeling when I'm filming or

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traveling and doing this stuff,where it's kind of that
excitement of like let's go trythat thing, let's go do that
thing, come on, come on, guys.
Like I literally have that likekid in me and I feel like
filming and doing what I'm doingallows that like inner child to
play and with all the creativethings that I've done, pulled
off or plan to do, I really getto fulfill that inner like

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theatrical Jesse and I alwayssay say, I'm like if I wasn't
playing sports, I would havebeen in theater and I low-key.
My one of my biggest regrets inhigh school is not doing a play
I don't think that's somethingthat you cannot not do.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
To be truth and honesty with the evolution of
you, I think you should take offall these bucket list things.
You know, if you have thatburning desire to to get into
theater at this point, I thinkthere's a lot of people that
would love to have you on thatstage.
It would be awesome, I thinkabout it often.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I'm like, I'm like there's definitely whether it's
gonna be still a pathway if youwant to take that yeah, I think
I think for my future.
It's like right now, this erathat I'm in, I look at
everything as sort of, uh, likea chapter or an era, and you
build your way through this eraand if you allow the universe to
sort of guide you and let ittake you the right places and

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not think like I have to go thisone way which is why I've
gotten where I am Like I allowthe world to sort of just kind
of guide me, uh, to like thisdestination that is unknown in
my head at least, you can thenstep off that path.
You'll be it'll.
It'll lead you right next tothat path that's going to take
you to the next one, and thenthe next one and the next one.

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I feel like I'm in an era ofright now.
I, my intuition, knows that,like YouTube is my era right now
and I'll probably always makevideos because I thoroughly
enjoy it.
But when that path leads me to apoint where I'm like it's time
to step on that path next to me,I will do it and like, whether
that's going to be a business oror it's acting or trying

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theater, literally I don't knowwhat it is, I'm not going to
predict it.
I'm just going to let it go,like, let my world guide me
there.
I think that's when, like, ifyou don't fight that path and
you let the world take you towhere you're going to go, that's
where you can evolve into thenext era of yourself.
You know, like, for you, youwere a bodybuilding for for a
while and then that path, it'snot that it led to a dead end,

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but it led you to the next pathand you make that choice, you
step on the next one and thenyou lead it to the next one, and
I feel like that's where yousee people do so many things in
their span of their careers,which I think is awesome when
someone does so many differentthings, like you've done the
bodybuilding, you've done thebusiness, you do the podcast,

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you sing a song, like I don'tknow Anything in the world.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I feel like if you feel like that's your intuition
and your soul sort of puts you,there and that's what you're
like.
Feeling is the right energy.
It's always worth pursuing andseeing where it takes you Well.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
you're known for your high energy, hence like why
you've just spoken and said somuch in the last 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I know, dude, it's amazing, you're doing my job, I
think.
Sometimes I'm like am Ispeaking to him?
No, no, no, trust me, it'sincredible.
But that high energy, you knowthe content you put out.
Do you ever hit like a wallwhere it's like wow, you know,
I'm known for being this guy andto be that guy caning you out.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, you got to be on all the time.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, it definitely, like, has its moments, but I
would say it was almost likewhen I first started having any
momentum in the social mediaspace, I definitely knew I was
like, okay, I need to beenergetic, so I'm entertaining,
and so I'd be that person and Iwould give all my energy.
And it was me.

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But it was even more amplified,I feel like, because I thought
that's what I needed to do andas time has gone on, I've just
kind of fell more into just me,more me and me and me that I
could be.
I feel like I'm definitely themost me I've ever been in my
life and I'm going to probablysay that again next year and the
next year and you just keepfinding yourself, which I'm so

(17:08):
grateful that I don't have tofeel like I need to be someone
else Because luckily, my careerhas allowed me where me equals
good, you know.
So it's definitely had its timeswhere I've felt that burnout
and I feel like because I playedsports my whole life like I've
had burnout in my sports.
You know, when a coach tellsyou that you practice every

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single day, you know, not everyday you're going to be like I
want to go to practice today andrun sprints and my arm hurts
and I got to still do it and Igot to perform well.
And my girlfriend just broke upwith me and I got to do this
Like so many things that youreally can't control, but that
you still have to do it, andthat really ingrained my head
where, when I feel burnout fromsocial media or, you know,

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giving that energy all the timeOne I told myself if I don't
give energy on the next one, itonly hurts me.
Yeah, maybe it.
Maybe it makes me feel like alittle bit less burnt out if I'm
, you know, boring that video orI don't, or maybe I skipped
filming that day and I'm like Iget to reserve my energy.
But in reality, especially inthe beginning, that only hurt me

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, it did not benefit me.
So I was like suck it the fuckup and you've done hard things
when you don't want to just doit.
And I feel like there's thiscurve of burnout where you push,
push, push, push, push, you getburnt out.
And regardless if you take timeoff this is my experience, not

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talking for others regardless ifI take time off or I push the,
the burnout subsides after acertain point of pain, like you
get like so much there's beentime where it's more pain than
others Like I'm like holy shit,I don't think I can do this.
But then you keep pushing foranother week and you get like so
much there's been time whereit's more pain than others like
I'm like holy shit, I don'tthink I can do this.
But then you keep pushing foranother week and you're like
okay, I survived.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
What is pain in your eyes?
I?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
never really thought about it.
I feel like there's like anemotional, like weight of when I
, if I ever get burnt, I haven'tbeen burnt out in a little
while I't been burnt out in alittle while I've been burnt out
in like more of like amanagerial way than like filming
, like oh, I'm dealing.
I don't have an employee theright employee working for me
anymore.
I gotta figure this shit out.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
That's like business burnout and I get that but all
creativity right, because youcome up with so many ideas all
the time.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
So yeah, it's the same wave right where you kind
of have to.
It's like the bell curve,basically, is the proper shape
of the wave and when you get tothe top of the wave and there's
the most pressure or there's themost uncomfortability or fear
or whatever it is, it's like.
I really try to look at it andI'm like if I, if I was coaching

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myself or if I was the thirdperson, how would I tell my
friend or whatever this, thisbeing, is that's feeling, this,
like how to assess this?
So like if you came to me likedude, I am so burnt out, my show
is in a week, I can't do thisanymore.
It's like, how am I going torespond to you?
Cause I see the zoom out.
I'm like, bro, trust me onemore week.

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You're going to respond to you,cause I see the zoom out.
I'm like, bro, trust me onemore week.
You're going to win, you'regonna do amazing things and
you'll have all that time yougot to push.
And so it's almost like beingyour own supporter where, even
with creativity, where I get topoints where that top of that
bell curve is AKA, I have noideas left.
I'm fucked.
Oh my God, what do I do andit's one of those things where
it's just you have to just keeppushing the pedal, keep thinking
, keep trying.
You know, and sometimes pushingthe pedal is taking the day off

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, and that because that'suncomfortable to me, so that's.
That is also pushing into thepain of like, because I I'm
almost more comfortable tryingto.
I'm like no, I gotta solve it.
I gotta solve it, I gottafigure it out.
What's the next idea where it'slike, almost like that, that's
the equivalent of of doingcardio for like a prep, where
the cardio is the pain orwhatever it is, where me

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stepping off the break is addingin more cardio for that to get
leaner, or whatever that mightbe.
I hopefully that makes sense,but it's like taking a step back
can be really difficult becauseI want to go, go, go where that
go, where that's just asimportant to make that bell
curve, go back down as pushingmore.

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So it's like assessing what isneeded how are you going to
treat this wound at that momentand pushing past it.
So if you're a bodybuilder andyou're not lean enough, you've
got to do more cardio, you'vegot to do whatever you've got to
do.
Maybe you've got to trainlonger.
You have, you have you're,you're not lean enough.
You got to do more cardio.
You got to do whatever you gotto do.
Maybe you got to train longer,whatever it might be.
It's like realizing that youhave to put that little bit
extra in and just being like,okay, yes, it's painful, I'm

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going to do it.
Or if it's a business andsomeone just quit and now you
have to step in and do that role, it's like the same pain point.
Okay, I got to push this pain alittle bit farther and then
it's gonna go back down, becausenow that job is finished, now
You're a little bit leaner, nowthe video idea is there.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
It's sort of like yeah, you're describing, I mean
you're also describing, you know, discipline and delayed
gratification and it may be thatmade you into working out right
, because it's like it takestime.
You got to be consistent.
You have to keep at it and nomatter what you, what happens,
you know you don't want to workout every day.
Right, you're tired and youpush yourself and you get in
there and it's it's.

(22:10):
It sounds similar with withwhat you're doing, right, and
it's discipline that just pushesyou forward past the pain.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I think that's why a lot of people can have
short careers on social media isbecause they don't realize that
, like there's a pain, that orwhatever the uncomfortability,
whatever you want to label it as, there's this thing that you
have to push past.
And if you, if you don't pushpast it and you let it crush,
you, people quit, they, they,they say they're burnt out
forever.
And I'm like you must have notreally loved it.

(22:36):
Then, like if you can just bailon it, like if I need a week off
, and then I'm like yo, I neverwant to do this again, like you
don't love it anymore or youweren't really committed from
the first, yeah, and I feel likethat's I, that literally is
what separates a champion andsomeone that's not a champion,
and in literally anything fromping pong to billionaire
business to Mr Olympia, if you,if you can't like deal with that

(23:00):
gut wrenching determination toget past those hard points, you
know, like what gets me past,that is the passion driving it.
That's what the that's thegasoline in the tank is the
passion.
I'm just pushing the pedal, butthe passion is what always has
taken me and that's always why Ihave the high energy and it's
always why I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, I fucking sometimes filmwhen fitness business in like

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this realm of, okay, I pushedtoo hard, that burnt me out, or
I pushed too hard and you know Ineed a day off from the gym and
I'm like, okay, what can Ichange in this, in this system
that I've just done?
That's going to prevent thatfrom happening.
And I feel like that's whereyou can build longevity, whether

(23:51):
it's sports business or YouTube, where everything's a system.
You know you build your teams,you build your business systems
and if you're not evaluatingthem, it's going to crumble and
you're not going to go anywherewith it.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
But the mindset and I wanted to bring this up because
me and Flex talk about this allthe time.
You know, even this've been,we've been talking about it
quite a bit because and I'm notgoing to name names, but you
know, there's guys competing inthe olympian flex is just so
ingrained and understands andand you know and works with a
lot of you know has theseconversations with people where
he immediately will be like Idon't know, this guy's great but

(24:26):
like I just don't think he hasthe.
We're already talking aboutsomebody who's number three in
the world, but there is that bigdifference between getting from
number three to number one andI think, like you said, anybody
who becomes a champion has to bea master at hardening their
mind and moving forward, whetherit's easy or not.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think it's years of just doing really hard things.
I'm only 24.
There's going to be more hardthings that I face.
I've yet to.
I probably yet to face myhardest day ever, yet that yeah
what's that?
that that hat is coming yeah andlike and when that happens,
like dude I'll fucking that's afun day I'll swing and hit that
shit bar, but like it's just a,it's just a mentality, and I

(25:03):
feel like this is why when, evenwhen, I'm hiring people and the
reason I talk about hiring isbecause that's been like the
past four months of building ateam, that's building more
systems of my team you can tellwho has done hard things or
who's been an athlete or who has, like, committed themselves to
long-term goals, because peoplejust crumble after like a month
or two of any prep.
You put any pressure like cause.

(25:24):
Obviously in the beginning yougot to learn a lot.
Working for anybody whichrequires a few more hours,
requires, you know, electric,paying attention to detail and
if and if you crumble under that, it's like I'm like you must've
never done something for a longperiod of time.
That's been hard, with delayedgratification, and that's why
the gym, like a bodybuilder has,is a great case of someone

(25:45):
that's seen a goal and was likeI'm going to be in pain for the
next seven years until I hitthis goal, or 10 years.
You know it's like stuff takesa really long time and I feel
like that's what separatespeople from being good versus
great.
On the note of bodybuilding.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You done your first show and you created so much
content around it and you filmedadditional content whilst
prepping for that show.
How hard was that and whatlessons did you learn from doing
that show?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's a good question.
So it was very difficult.
We shot seven prep, eight prepepisodes, including the show,
potentially nine if you countthe announcement In a matter of
like 15 days.
We shot and edited them.
It was crazy.
It was a matter of 21 daysbecause we shot and edited them.

(26:34):
It was crazy, fuck.
It was a matter of 21 daysCause the show day took a week
to edit.
I want to take my time on thatone, uh.
And then during the prep,during like my last 30 days of
prep, I shot three other YouTubevideos that were already
planned like well in advance andI'd say what I learned is like
bodybuilding is so hard and it'swhy I haven't competed again

(26:55):
yet.
Like I'm not saying I neverwill.
I'm sure I will step on stageagain and get that itch, but I'm
definitely being patient ofwhen I want to do it, because if
you do it right and you do itand you're really pushing
yourself to actually get to likevery lean levels and really
trying to showcase yourself thebest you can, it's so mentally

(27:16):
exhausting and emotionallyexhausting.
It's so crazy.
It's like, and obviouslyeveryone's gonna have a
different experience, especiallyif you're natural or you're not
natural.
I can't speak on.
But the diet itself, you knowwhat's crazy.
It's the, it it's the.
Hunger was never a problem.
I honestly don't.
I don't.
I don't really get hungry Likewhen I was on prep.
I never was hungry once, maybelike the last few days when I

(27:38):
was at 1500 calories and I'mlike all right, I'm three days
out, I'm just not going to.
I would love to have a snack.
Won't do it, but it's like it's.
It's crazy because if I were todo it again, there's so many
other aspects of life that youhave to like almost like pre
plan of okay.
Now that I've done it moreright.

(28:01):
The first time, I did it oncewhere it was like a two-week
crash prep that was just likekind of for content and like to
see if I would even enjoy this.
Second time was much more likelegit to a degree, but now, if
I'm going to go into this, I'mlike okay.
So now I know it's going toaffect my relationship.
The first one is two weeks.
Anyone can do anything for twoweeks.
It's whatever the, the, the.
The second prep was like eightweeks.

(28:21):
So it's like the last fourweeks really affected my
relationship.
Like I felt nothing numb, likelike my, my, my fiance and you
didn't tell her that, did you?
not not like not like that, butI've told her like I would just
be like I feel nothing, like Iliterally not happiness, not
sadness, nothing.
It's crazy, crazy, emotionless,yeah, and I'm like, and I so so

(28:45):
knowing to that, going to thatnow it almost be like, uh, I
would have that in my mind,knowing that, and I'm like, okay
, I need to make sure that Ipre-plan and know that.
Okay, I want to make sure Istill prioritize these three
things, even if I can't feelanything, because I obviously do
care about this woman.
I want to make sure that wehave maybe the one cheat day I

(29:05):
get needs to make sure it's anice date.
I need to make sure I'm gettingher flowers reminder Like, hey,
I'm suffering but I care foryou and I know I might not be
the same person as I normally am, but like, just keeping those
things in mind, going into likeanother prep would be really
important, because I rememberthe one moment that was really
tough.
We were laying in bed and she'slike I just feel like you don't

(29:27):
want me at all.
I forget the exact words, itwasn't.
She's like I feel like youdon't have that like connection
to me right now.
And I was like.
I was like babe, it's not evenlike I don't have a connection
to you.
I can't feel anything Like it's.
It's don't like, it's notpersonal, it's not like.
If I could, I wish I could tellyou that I don't feel that way,

(29:49):
because I just feel empty.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
You're going to have the energy to explain.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, I was like I have no words, I'm a corpse
right now.
It'll be over eventually.
And she's never dated abodybuilder.
This is the first time she'sever been witnessing her
significant other on prep.
So if I did it again I say webecause it's kind of like a we
thing it's not really just likea me, it's everybody around you
gets affected.
And if you don't know that,going like if it's your first

(30:16):
show, you might not know that.
And I think, knowing thatthere's so many other elements
of life that you need to sort ofjust with not emotionally make
these decisions, to do different, to act differently,
differently, but like pre-planthe date night pre-plan, knowing
that flowers need to come, andpre-plan, okay, every monday I'm
gonna call my mom and dad andjust at least thank them for
pushing, like you know, keepingthem in mind and stuff, whether

(30:38):
you feel something or not, Ifeel like it's almost like needs
to be, needs to be included inthe prep.
Like, okay, three weeks outwe're gonna have your.
Maybe your coach is like, hey,in two days we're dropping carbs
.
The same thought ahead of timeneeds to be like in two days I'm
gonna get my fiancee flowers tofind her, how much I love her
like I feel like that would beahead of the game?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
yeah, because if you're, if you're going into
that and she's breaking up withyou right before you're about to
do the competition, that'sgoing to ruin everything because
it's like going off ofintuition and your emotion.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's like there's a there so you're not going to
have that intuition of, ah, Iwant to go get people.
I want to remind people that,uh, you know, you know I, how
how much do they mean to me.
It's like hard to think thatcause you think nothing.
So what I what I'm saying iswhat I learned was it's so much
more of an emotional journeythan than even just physically,

(31:26):
and I think what separatessomeone doing it more often than
I have and someone doing it atthe highest levels is they find
a love in that journey andsomething beautiful about it,
and not saying that I didn'tfind any enjoyment.
But it definitely is likeeither I need to like figure out
the prep and learn thatenjoyment, or maybe I'm not, I'm

(31:47):
not, I'll be, I'll betruthfully, I don't.
Maybe I'm not, I'm not.
I'll be truthfully, I don'tthink I'm not cut out to be Mr
Olympia.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well, listen, I can tell you this all them feelings
you had is the exact samefeelings I had and it's the
exact same feelings thateverybody who you stood next to
also as did I.
I would have.
Obviously.
I've been with my wife for 13years, so she met me and she
actually used to compete too.
She won the Miss USA, she wonsome pro shows.
But when we got together she wason.
She was in school doing amasters where she decided to

(32:14):
return back to the stage.
At that point I didn't know,but I was in full Mr Olympia
mode.
But we got together and sheunderstood exactly what that
torment was, that mental drive,that soul search.
But we also knew we got to apoint where my mentality would
completely change.
It was a laser focus and it hadnothing to do with her.

(32:36):
She didn't take it personallybut to your point and that's why
I love you said this for theshow and thank you very much for
saying that we would make surethat every cheat meal revolved
around that moment together.
Of course you have this fakemoment of energy burst through

(32:58):
eating food, right, but you canexperience it and you can share
it with that significant other.
And as the show got closer again, we knew exactly what to expect
.
She knew what to expect morethan anything else but it was a
tough journey for me as much asher.
But again, she was aware of it.
The first prep is alwayslearning.
But the second, third, fourthshe knew six weeks out was when

(33:21):
I started going into that modeBecause I had to make weight and
my body did not like that 212class.
So I was always ready aboutfive weeks out.
I just had to suffer to make anumber on a scale.
Crazy Not to see the bestversion, because the best
version was seen four weeksbefore.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
But it was all about getting into that weight class.
But that was again soulsearching and nobody's prep is
in comparison.
My prep wasn't harder thanyours, it doesn't matter.
You've lived a life and yousuffered.
You understand now what itreally takes to get to that
stage, because a lot of theseguys who train in the gym that
look lean all year round, no,that's lean Body builder.

(33:58):
Lean is all day, not moremissed meals.
It's basically compounding andthe closer you get to the show,
the better you look, the worseyou feel.
But I've also found so much inthat journey where I learned so
much and I've said this so manytimes that no book could ever
teach me which made me a betterdad business guy.

(34:19):
Fill in the gaps.
I learned that through thatbodybuilding journey.
Is there anything like thatthat you learned yourself?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, honestly, you know what I think I realized and
this is kind of like it couldbe taken kind of dark and off
like the positivity, but I'llexplain.
So I've always sort ofstruggled with control of food,
where in 2018, I had a reallyhard time mentally and I know

(34:46):
that I noticed that I took morecontrol of food.
I need to weigh things more.
I need more control of food.
I need to weigh things more.
I need to do this more.
I need to keep track of mycalories more and I never I
never really like, cause I wasalways bulking.
So it's not like I was like, oh, I'm so skinny, I can't, I feel
terrible or something, and noone no one looked at me and was
like dude, like you'rerestricting your calories to me,
like you know, it was, but itwas internal and then when I did

(35:08):
my show, I would say throughthe prep, it revealed to me more
after the show.
Like I went through the prep, Iwas it's for me, it was not
very difficult to just stick towhatever my coach said.
I was just like okay, done, Idon't have to think about it,
but it was after that, what,what really taught me was I
really do kind of have a problemslash did always will, uh,

(35:32):
slash always will with food andwanting to control it and almost
like a like a minor eatingdisorder, and I've I touched
base on this on my on my bodydysmorphia video and what but
what that did like.
So, because of competing, Irealized like, oh shit, I kind
of do like deal with this and Ididn't really know I did.

(35:55):
And but what that's taught methroughout the past year is I've
definitely become a lothealthier of the mindset of food
in like in the past I wouldnever use like oil on chicken or
I would never like cause I waslike too many calories, no,
can't do it.
Or I would never want to addbutter to anything.
I would just be like, eh, likemaybe like a spray or something,

(36:17):
and I was very afraid ofcertain foods almost and where,
honestly, now I feel like mymetabolism, my metabolism's
better, I'm eating more than Iever have and I'm leaner and my
performance and I, the way Ilook, I'm like very happy with.
So it was almost like I had tolike the competition kind of
ripped off, this bandaid and Iwas like shit, there's a wound

(36:39):
there I didn't even know about.
So, like what it did, is itlike unmasked like any like sort
of problems that I've kind ofhad or faced with food and I had
to then face them and was like,okay, if I want to have a
healthy relationship with foodfor the rest of my life or if I
want to be able to bulk eventhough I've been afraid to bulk

(37:01):
for the past few years I have toget over these fears of certain
things with foods.
It really unmasked it and I'mhonestly glad that it did,
because now I have a veryhealthy relationship with food,
you know, and I'm not likeafraid of these extra calories.
I was always afraid of bulking,basically and honestly like I'm
not afraid of a nice lean bulk,you know.

(37:22):
But before it was like I waslike never bulking period, like
Nope, it was a strong no.
And then I realized and alsospeaking to other people,
they're like you got to enjoyeach segment of the, of the
phase, of whatever you're in,like if you're bulking dude,
enjoy getting strong, enjoyfeeling huge in a T-shirt when
you normally you feel skinny.
So it's kind of like thecompetition ripped that, bandaid

(37:45):
off and I was like, ok, I have,I have things that I have to
work on.
I always wondered like, and notthat I'm like, oh, nothing's
wrong with me, but like I'dalways be like, what is what,
what?
What traumas and bullshit do Ihave that I don't realize I have
?
And it's almost like you haveto go through hard things or
face things head on to thenrealize like, oh, okay, that's

(38:05):
what my, my bullshit is.
You know, when I'm saying, whenI'm saying something out loud
to make myself feel better forhaving that cookie or something,
and I never even realized Isaid these things and I'm like,
whoa, I totally was just tryingto like, like, like I'll be
around someone and I'm like, oh,I'm like I'll be good right now
, don't know, don't worry aboutit.
Or like I'll be, like I'm like,hey, at least I did cardio

(38:27):
today, like, and I'm like, whydid I just say that?
Interesting?
So it's like you learn thesethings and I think that's also
just age.
Yeah, like, as my frontal lobedevelops, like literally that
ass, this year I've, I've, oh,my God, this year has been like
the most like eyeopening yearbecause my, when you're 24, 25,
as a man, your frontal lo Like,think through your third eye

(38:47):
your third eye of like whatreality of life, like in all
these things, of like habitualthings, and I feel like it's
it's been a very awesome eyeopening experience Just being
able to see life like actuallyhow it is and be like OK, why am
I like this?
You know what made me like thisand revealing those things?
So it kind of like sparked likeself-discovery.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, so like there was.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
There was some self-discovery after the show
for sure, because in the show Iwas very locked in and stuff,
and then afterwards I was likewhoa, I need to heal this part
of my mind in order to be ableto continue doing what I do.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
There's a lot of maturity in that.
At your age, to be honest, 24,he's very mature.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Let's be honest, well , he's saying mature.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
let's be honest, well , like he's saying things that I
was saying when I, when Iturned 40, right like I'm trying
to learn about myself and allthese traumas that happened in
my life and why these thingshappened to me and why I reacted
in certain ways.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
And he's he's already like ahead of me.
Yeah, he's 16, 16 years on topof his age, I feel like one.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
my sister is very reflective.
She's more like hippie, likeshe's definitely a hippie and
I'm definitely not a hippie, butshe's older than me she's like
four and a half years older thanme and she's always influencing
, influenced me or had thoseconversations of like
self-reflection, or she'll go totherapy and learn about traumas
that she's dealt with and wewere we both we me and her

(40:06):
basically the same traumasbecause we're very close in age.
So, so anything happened thatwe've both she has different
ones, of course, but we have, wehave similar ones that cross
paths and she'll explain likeyeah, when we grew up in this
and because this happened, andlike we both, like I think, like
this and I think that relatesto you, and I'd be like, oh, my
God, that's that makes so muchsense of why I always make jokes

(40:27):
after bad things happen orstuff like that.
And there's a lot to learn.
I definitely should.
I say this every time.
I would love to go to therapy.
I just don't put the time in tofind a good therapist.
One day I will, I know I will,but I'm very curious.
People don't really know thisbecause I'm not on podcasts all
the time.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I don't have them all the time, thank you, but I
don't, and I don't have them allthe time.
Uh, but like I I am veryinfatuated with like almost
snowball effects of how, whenyou're younger, things affect
you when you're older, andtrying to discover them, like I
thoroughly have a great timetalking about that with people,
like this conversation, like wetalk about it a lot, you know,
and like truly I trying tounderstand why the hell I am the

(41:09):
way I am.
Yeah, and not that I'm tryingto change it or anything.
I mean, there's definitely,obviously, aspects we'd all
change in different ways, butit's more of just understanding.
It's just understanding is veryinteresting, of being like wow,
that's why I do this, this iswhy I do that, you know, it
gives you a differentperspective on yourself, maybe
like give yourself some grace orsomething on different aspects.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Well, I think you've done okay with all these traumas
To get to this fucking stage.
He's crushing it.
Guys, I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
The self-awareness.
Though that takes a long time.
That's something that happenslater on in life.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
My fiance is like two and a half years older than me.
Two and a half.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Now you sound like you're 24.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But like I've always gotten along with people that
are older than me, I neverreally got along with people my
age, I think, just from a youngage, like being at the skate
park with you know I'm likeeight and everyone's like 15.
And you know there's kidssmoking weed over there and I'm
like I kind of need not that I'min the grown-up and anything.
You know ghetto at all.

(42:11):
I was in a very non-ghetto townbut like you see that stuff and
you're like, okay, you know I'man eight year old I'm most an
eight year old not supposed tosee those things.
But then if you do, you knowyou got to grow up a little bit
faster, or or you hit that joint, I'm sorry.
Or or like getting thrown intoso Not thrown into social media,
but like growing in socialmedia and having to figure out

(42:32):
business.
Like at 22 I'm like I have tohire people.
At 21 I was hiring people andit's like I was 19, you know.
It's like you have no choicebut to figure it out or ask for
help and someone teach you.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, it was fascinating what you said too.
I mean, you started it 12, bro.
I know.
You know so, like, and you'reso far ahead because, like I
mean us older guys, we didn'teven have social media, we
didn't have any of that kind ofstuff back in our days.
So, like, having that andunderstanding it and you know,
growing your own knowledge, youknow, like, obviously you learn
what you learn from school andeverything, but they're not

(43:05):
teaching you any of that.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
That's all self-taught, right right, and
that also takes discipline.
Yeah, well, with the, you know,we mentioned all uh, all these
different uh parts of jesse.
You know, physically you know,mentally.
But uh, I want to kind of shiftgears and talk about the
collaborations, and your successis is what has obviously blown

(43:26):
you up.
You've done so many differentcollaborations.
Obviously, you were in town acouple of months ago working
with Dana White.
You've been able to and usingyour words kind of navigate
through life to get yourself infront of people, work with
people, train with people,collaborate with people.

(43:46):
Do you catch yourself beinglike holy shit, how did I find
myself here?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
To a degree.
Yes, there's two answers tothat One.
Yes, I do, I'll be like.
After filming with Dana White,I looked at my team and I was
like what the fuck?
I'm like?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I can't believe we just did that and the shoot went
amazing.
He's great, dana, great, greatguy.
It was awesome and I was likeyou know what.
But there's also like thesecond layer to it where I'm
like I, I I've, I've workedreally hard to do that.
You know like I've collabedwith a thousand other people to
get that collab, or I fuckingnavigated my way through eight

(44:29):
people to find the rightconnection to get make that
happen.
So it's like I know I'm, I knowI'm deserving of those moments
because I'm like the work is, isis the proof is in the pudding,
um, and there's also an elementwhere my mom raised me in a
very much way to believe inmyself, which thank you, karen,
uh love you Karen.

(44:52):
Shout out to mom and she reallyinstilled like you could do
anything, you know.
And so when people, peoplealways ask her like would you
ever have thought you'd be inthis position?
And I'm like, yeah, like I Iand I mean that Like I'm not
bullshitting you with somefacade Like I'm, like I just I
dead ass knew I would be in thisposition.
So it's like like I'll say thisout loud because it's kind of a
manifestation I so it's likelike I I'll say this out loud,

(45:15):
because it's kind of amanifestation I I, I tell my
fiance, put it out in the world.
I tell my fiance and I say thisin a very humble way I go, I go.
By the time I'm 30, I'm gonnamake 100 million dollars there
you go I go 100 million dollars.
I will, I will make by 30.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
We go six years, six years if you don't believe it
and you don't put it out there,then why would it happen?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
like it's like I almost have this.
Like it's not psychotic, orlike it's almost like a
unconditional for lack of betterterms done dumb belief in
yourself it's a, it's a, it's achase delusion yes, I would be
where I am if I hadn't had itmyself yeah, it's like, it's
like.
I'm almost like confidentlydelusional, all the successful

(45:50):
ones.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
you know that's where they are.
They're in that manifestation,they're seeing that dream coming
into reality and they believethat they can get there.
It's like if you can't believeit yourself, why would anybody
else believe it?
And what's going to drive youto go to the gym when you feel
like crap or whatever you'retrying to do we were talking to
James Hype Making tracks.

(46:11):
When you're in a bad mood andyou got to come up with
something happy, you know it'slike yeah, dj, in front of five
people to 15 000 people.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
There you go.
He had that delusion that hewas going to be, you know, the
best dj.
You know he's gone from, like Isaid, spinning in front of five
people to being a headliner.
You're in las vegas and one ofthe most hottest djs.
But you, you can say that aboutElon Musk you have to be
willing to suck at stuff, butyou also have to put in the
fucking work.
You talk about your Elon Muskstory of him sleeping under the

(46:39):
desk at the office.
Right, he was leading from thefront and that's what you've got
to do.
You've got to lead from thefront.
You have to have that confidentdelusion and with me and my
teams and all my employees.
Now, if I wasn't doing what I'mdoing, then how can you
motivate your staff to do so?

(46:59):
To put it in the unseen hours,it's like you're going to ask
your editor now to flip this,this video, around fast within
24 hours, when you know you'regoing to go go ahead to the
hotel.
No, you're probably there withhim.
I like this change, this too.
I've put them.
I wasn't, but I call that theunseen, and a lot of people only
see the success.
Oh, I can do that.
No, you fucking can't.
What you have is a talent andyou've been able to make that

(47:20):
talent just much, much morebigger by just digging deep,
doubling down on your craft,because from a very young age,
you knew you had some sort ofgift.
It was entertaining the crowdand that has transitioned now
onto YouTube youtube and it'sgoing to transition onto theater
and it's going to transitioninto your bank account.
But again, you've got to put itout there and you've got to have

(47:41):
that self-belief, becausenothing, nothing can stop
anybody if you have that mindset.
And I've been around guys whohave said these things to me and
I would say, if it was said,that 90% of people and actually
I've been in rooms where peoplehave said I'm going to do this
just like you've just done rightnow, and I hope this happens,

(48:02):
because I've got this fuckingclip now too.
I love it and also I'm going totake a percentage of that too
but anyway, but, but they saidin the room that this is going
to happen.
I am am going to do this.
And it's so delusional, it's solofty and it's so high bar that
everybody is like nah, that'snot going to happen, yeah, but
the people who believe you'vegot to keep them fucking around,

(48:23):
yeah, because the ones that arearound you in that circle are
going to get into your head whenyou're having them down days,
they're going to be around tosay, hey, jesse, come on, let's
dig deep, because sometimes youcan't always lead from the front
.
You can lead, but you need thatguy, that girl who's behind you
to give you that little push,that emphasis, to say hey,
you're on the right track.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
The groundwork's done , though, right.
He's been living and walkingthat path.
The kid's 24 years old.
He's got a whole life in frontof you, bro.
Who knows where you could takethis thing.
Man, Honestly, the world's youroyster.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I wish I was 24.
What would be if you could tellyour perfect story coming to
the end of your life?
Or just say you're a fuckingfart.
Do you like me and J-Rock?
What do you want to haveachieved aside from the bank
account?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I think, think honestly, I'll say with the bank
account.
It's not even that I want themoney, it's more just like I
know that that's such a crazyfucking thing to be like.
What is it Like 0.0001% ofpeople could do that.
I mean, there's people that areeven more rich but it's just
like the difficulty and like howhard that will be and like how

(49:32):
you have to be delusional to beable to pull that off is why I
want to do that.
You know, like I've always sayI want to be rich from the great
things I've done, not not justbe rich I love, like I want to
do such crazy shit that it makesme rich and that's why I'm rich
.
And the ending thing I thinkI'd want to leave.

(49:54):
If I'm like a, like an extremeold man, I'm imagining myself
like uh sup guys.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I can't ever see that voice coming out of him, though
no.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
So I feel like I'd want to leave, like I'd want to
leave a legacy, not just toeverybody, but like I feel like
and this is why my what mydriving force is, and I've
thought, like withself-reflection, but almost do
something so amazing and so bigthat it can truly take care of

(50:25):
my entire family head to toe,and like I've hit a point of
success where it's it's notreally about me anymore, like I
don't need any more for myself,like I'm good, it's about okay,
if I want to take it up to thenext level, one, it's an
achievement too.
It's I will be able to covereveryone under my family my

(50:46):
sister, my mom, my dad, you knowmy, my fiance, anyone in her
family and like transform theirlives and then the, the like,
the residual effect to the worldwould be for people to look at
me and be like you know I kindof can.
I believe I can believe inmyself to do it.

(51:06):
You know where, like somepeople just are successful and
you're like, damn, I'll never belike that.
Like why not leave a mark whereit's almost, where I like
because of what I've done?
It's it's believable thatpeople can do greater things to
like believe in themselves.
I always try to leave to tellpeople like if you believe in
yourself, you're 75% done andthere's 20, the 25% is just

(51:28):
doing it Like the belief.
If you don't believe, likedon't bullshit me, don't lie Do
you actually head to toe?
You're like I know this isgoing to happen Because I meet
people at meet and greets andthey're like dude, I'm going to
collaborate with you.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
And.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I can like some people.
I'm like, yeah, that's awesomehere.
Thank you, I wish you the best.
I really do hope they do, but Ican tell them, like they
weren't really truthful there.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Dude, I'm going to collaborate with you.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I saw it at PowerSnap .
But then you see someone likein their being and they say it
and you're like I fuckingbelieve you and I'm like fuck
yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
It's an aura.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's an awesome aura, so I'd love to leave more
people with that.
And who knows what it will be.
I can't really predict what theend will look like, but I
definitely want to have made it.
And I know this answer is verylong, but I would want to have
made all the people in my lifevery.
You know's the future now,whatever it is.

(52:33):
I'm not rich unless everyonearound me can like not reap the
rewards, but be taken care ofand like it's hard to describe.
Maybe there's something in methat wants to just take.
That's my love language is liketaking.
I want to be able to take careof you Like anything ever
happens.
Like come to me, like you're inmy tribe, come to me.

(52:54):
There's no like awkward feelingthere and I feel like there's
very few people that are in mylife like that.
You know the ones that havenever once ever looked at me and
been like whatever.
Like he's made it.
I feel like shit about myself.
Like there's there are very.
It's my close, close family andlike a friend or two.
Honestly, it's like one truefriend.

(53:21):
He knows who he is and not anounce in his soul has ever ever
come off in a in a bit ofjealousy or anything, and it's
like that's that characteristicwhere my family's like that and
he's like that and and, and myfiance and her family.
So it's like those people, ifI'm succeeding, I want them to
be a part of the, the reap ofthe reward and whatever that
entails.
You know, like not that I'mjust like hey, who wants some

(53:44):
money, like just knowing that,like if there's ever a health
problem, like no fucking doubtI'm there to help you.
You know, and that's kind oflike what my world will be and
you know, eventually kids willbe in there too and like and,
and maybe grandkids, like justkind of that, that generational,
generational wealth,generational wealth and like

(54:06):
just well-being as a tribe.
And I I use the word tribe, I Iput my best friend in that with
my family and like, like peoplesay, like you don't need to be
blood to be family, and to be inthat tribe is like you have to
have that that trait of neveronce batting an eye at my
success, never once feeling, uh,like what is it?

(54:30):
Uh, threatened by my success.
And it takes a true person to belike that, because I would be
like that to him.
He has a great job and like heis, he pursues music and I'm
like the second you fuck.
Like I'm there for you, youknow, and I, it's like I, I.
That is so rare that I'm like,whatever success I have, I want
to be able to take care of thosepeople, because that's like

(54:50):
shit, that doesn't really happenyou know that's that circle
over years.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
You know there's a saying I'd rather have four
quarters than a hundred pennies,and that has really, really
turned my kind of mindset morerecently than ever, because
obviously when I had thatsuccess on the stage I had
everybody around me.
Success on the stage, I hadeverybody around me.
And then when you kind of moveaway from that and you retire,
you realize who's still calling,who's still pouring into you,

(55:17):
who is wanting to be there,because you were good as well as
that too.
That's the real tell when you'refailing.
And I know who was there andwho wasn't there, and anybody
who's come into my life atdifferent chapters too, I know
who is there.
When I can call at four in themorning and be like yo, shit's
hitting the fan.
Um, you know I need you to.
You know, help me pull myfucking laundry out and put it

(55:38):
into the washer, but anyway,that's another story for another
time, but the the bottom lineto to everything in life is that
we're all trying to chasehappiness I dude, I don't know
why I like.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
those words were in my head right before you said it
and as you started saying it, Iwas like I don't know.
I feel like our wavelengthsjust smashed.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It definitely did, and I feel that energy, as I've
done with many, many things thatyou've done, my friend, and in
wrapping up this podcast,because we've been on here for
an hour, believe it or not, andI didn't feel like it's been
that long, but I want to thankyou for jumping on.
I know that you're runningaround after female bodybuilders
and I don't want to stand inthe way.

(56:19):
I don't want to stand in the wayof any female bodybuilders, but
your boy has already lost onearm wrestling match and somebody
apparently was super pissed athim, so hopefully she doesn't
turn up at the gym today,because I don't need no
animosity.
But all that said, jesse, youare an absolute star.
For 24 years old, you have somuch energy, enthusiasm and

(56:39):
charisma.
That is a trait that can't betaught, that is a God-given gift
, and I just want to say, on thebehalf of myself and J-Rock and
the team, thank you for allyou're doing, man, and I look
forward to doing a collaborationin the future.
Did I look like I meant it?
Okay?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I did 99%.
Okay, okay, okay, close enough.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
But it's a pleasure man.
Thank you, man, and I'm excitedto see what you're going to be
doing in the future, and that'sthe end.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I appreciate it.
Thank you for having me on.
Thank you for always trying toget me to come do stuff.
I appreciate that and thank youfor trying to get me to do
stuff as well.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
The other side of the phone.
But is there anything else youwant to wrap up?
That's your camera down there.
If there's anything you want tosay, that's the end of the show
.
I love you and don't forget tostay relentless, stay relentless
.
This is Flex it's Rock.
This is Flex it's Rock.
Jesse Jams we are out.

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