Randy Couture | UFC Champ to Hollywood Hero & Veteran Advocate | Straight Outta The Lair Podcast - Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's guest is a true legend and pioneer of mixed
martial arts, a UFC Hall ofFamer and the first ever champ
champ to hold titles in both theheavyweight and light
heavyweight divisions.
Beyond the cage, he's also madehis mark in Hollywood as part
of the iconic Expendablesfranchise, bringing his fighting
spirit to the big screen.
Ladies and gentlemen, randy theNatural Couture Straight Outta

(00:28):
the Lair Rock.
Today we are joined by a legendIndeed, the man they call the
Natural.
A legend Indeed, the man theycall the natural.
The legend, hollywood star.
And the first ever champ champin the UFC.

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Plus, plus much more titles youforgot extremely good looking.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh well, you know.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That part too.
Randy Couture, welcome to theStraight Outta the Lair show.
My friend, my man, I appreciateyou.
It's good to see you, my friend.
Good to see you as well, yeahwe've had a little uh walk
around the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Very cool to be in the lair.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, it's great, it's great to have you here, of
course, uh, you know I'm nostranger to your place as well,
the extreme couture being theremany times.
My daughter trains at the gymas well, and many of the
athletes train here.
Eric Nixick has brought thewhole tribe in the whole tribe.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
As I said, this is a whole tribe.
As I said, this is a wholetribe.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
As I said, there's a lot of uh closet bodybuilders in
fight 12.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Don't keep them waiting for the bench press.
I'll tell you yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, listen, we, we, we're going to talk about a lot
of different things.
I think for us kicking off theshow, obviously we're going MMA,
but, um, for a lot of peoplemaybe the newer generation, the
first, randy.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Couture experience is going to be maybe in Hollywood.
Yeah, it's interesting how thathas shifted.
You know, obviously retiredfrom fighting in 2011, which is
what 13 years ago, now going on14 years ago and, uh, it's been
interesting to watch the, theshift from fighting and, oh, man
, I saw your fight, I loved yourfights, I love your fight
career to man, I love yourmovies.
Yeah, it's been a reallystrange thing to to see that

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transition, uh, in in the last10 years or so what is the main
movie people recognize when?
expendables is certainly thebiggest property I've been
involved with.
That first one was the numberone film that summer, um, and
then obviously two, three andfour have all done very, very
well.
Um, that cast is ridiculous thecast itself is literally savage

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row yes, we're talking about apinch me moment, right being in
rio de janeiro for the firstscene when the entire cast comes
together.
We're synchronizing our watchesto go into this tunnel and lay
all these bombs to blow thispalace up in the movie and and
we're looking at each other andyou could feel the buzz with the
cast, with the crew, you knowoh my god, can you believe all

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these guys are in the same?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
movie do you like?
Do you like walk in the room?
Obviously a bunch of legends.
But then, like in your mind,you're like man, I could beat
all these guys up.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Never, you never you never think it, you know.
You know.
You just don't look at thingsthat way, right?
You know when?
You guess?
The only time I really had thatthought I was at a at a pro
basketball game.
This is back when I still livedin oregon.
Nate corey's a good friend ofmine, obviously from the team
quest days, and he he had asponsor that gave him two
courtside tickets to a toblazersgame.

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And we're sitting on theseseats like fish out of water,
like what are we doing here?
This is so weird.
And Scottie Pippen was playingon the team in Portland at that
time and I'm sitting therelooking at him, literally six
feet away from me on the court,and I'm like man, one leg kick
and that dude is going to foldup like a cheap lawn chair right

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there on the floor.
I don't know why that thoughtcrossed my mind, but it did.
I'm just looking at this guylike one leg kick, if he's done.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I feel like you get used to sizing guys up a little
bit Well if Scottie Pippendidn't know that, he certainly
does know now he's like thankGod, nothing happened.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I would have never done that, but that's just what
crossed my mind.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
He might actually deserve a late kick.
I hear he's a notoriously badtipper.
No tip and pippin' they callhim.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
No tip and pippin'.
No tip and pippin' Anotheruseless fact that you can take
into the world today.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
But going back to that Expendables, the first time
you got that script did youknow these guys are going to be
your co-stars, or did it come intime?
Well, I got a call from myagent, said hey, sylvester
salone wants you to stop by hisoffice.
He has a project he wants totalk to you about.
And of course, that's not it,or?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
yeah, it's really cool.
Yeah, right off the road okaywhere and when you know that's
not what you're gonna say.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Sylvester salone, or like rocky, wants to meet with
you, and so I show up, of course, and I had met Sly a couple of
times before in other settingsat the Arnold, when he had his
supplement line in stone At R1down in El Segundo you know
Rico's training facility.
There he was shooting a bigcover for his wife's book, her

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fitness book, and I happened tobe training that day with with
uh, uh, our Russian friend there, and uh slide's like, hey, man,
would you write a?
You know, write a little blurbor a forward for my wife's book.
I'm like, yeah, I'd love to dothat man.
So I wrote a little forward forhis wife's and obviously he's a

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huge fight fan.
So he calls and says, hey, canRandy stop by?
I want to talk to him aboutthis project.
I show up.
Obviously the casting directoris supposed to show up too.
She's late.
So him and I are just sittingin his office like this talking
and he's telling me all aboutthe project.
And he had originally wrote thescript and Hail Caesar was
supposed to be Wesley Snipes'role.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And Wesley was having some issues?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
yeah, he was, and so he was going to rewrite that
role for me.
Make me a college educated guywho rants about his ears and
quotes nietzsche and all thisstuff.
And this was the conversationwe're having.
And now the casting directorshows up and she's rushed and
she's nervous because she's lateto this meeting.
She comes charging in and shebumps this bookshelf that he has

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right inside the door of hisoffice and it's got all the
little action figures from allhis movies and the Brigitte
Nielsen action figure from GoRed.
He falls off the top shelf andhits the floor.
He's like, oh hell, where wereyou a couple years ago?
I could have used you.
And we just fall out laughing.
Of course we put it back up onthe shelf and that, but that

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broke the ice and and uh, heexplained this role and and then
a week later he gets terry cruzto play hail caesar, which was
perfect fit, and I thought, well, man, I'm, I'm out.
He writes toll road into thefilm based on our conversation.
Wow, that day.
And I was man, what an honor.
He thought that much of me,enough of me to go back to the

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script and write this newcharacter in to keep me in the
movie, so I was very honoredthat he did that.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And it's continued.
No, yeah, One, two, three four,four.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I think I got more screen time in four than.
I've gotten in any of theothers, and it's been amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I imagine there must be a lot of protein on set Right
Like you've got a lot of bigdudes, he's got his bars.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
He's got those bars, those weighted bars.
He carries those around on setand he's constantly rolling his
wrists and, you know, pumping uphis forearms and working out on
set.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
That's Sly's doing that.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yes, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I go to a pool party here, I'm doing a hundred
push-ups in the bathroom beforeI go out there, you know.
So you guys like all like youknow, like hitting it working
out, like you know, right beforecertain scenes Like, is that,
that's like a thing, right.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I mean, people do that for sure and you know on
his chair so that he can staypumped up when he's on screen.
I saw a lot of the guys in thegym.
I saw Arnold in the gym inBulgaria we were in the
Kempinski.
You know we worked nights mostof those films, so we'd get off
in the morning, go straight tothe gym, get your workout in, go

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to bed, get a few hours sleepand you're up getting ready for
your next call time to come backand work that next night.
So you got to lift with ArnoldJust in the same gym at the same
time.
I didn't really lift with him.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
No, I think it's together.
You tell everybody yes, weworked out together.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Nobody knows details.
He might have been working outover there, but we were both
working out.
Yeah, we were training, and wewere both working out.
Yeah, we were training.
And let that myth then continueinto whatever.
Actually Randy out-benching him, let it happen.
Yeah, randy smashed him in thegym.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I didn't say that, but I'll keep it so.
With the movie world thatyou're now being exposed to, is
there a certain role that youwould love to play in the future
that may be not stereotypicalto what you've done already?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I've always been a fan of the Western genre.
I grew up on all thosespaghetti Westerns with Clint
Eastwood.
I've been a Clint Eastwood fansince I was a young kid.
Loved those movies, grew up onthose movies.
Would love to be in a film likethat in that genre.
I've done one Western withMichael Jai White, alba, johnny
Black, but it was kind of atongue-in-cheek, more of a

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comedy, even some musicalnumbers in that one and it was
fun.
I had a good time doing it andI played a kind of post-Civil
War scene in a Curse of theClown Motel where I played a
cavalry guy that was a colonelthat was slaughtering Indians
and creating this curse.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Basically, Kevin Costner's been crushing a bunch
of these.
Western-type movies,yellowstone, something like that
.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
That is really good too.
I just watched that on anairplane.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, he's killing it , man.
He's been doing it for years.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
But one of those two.
It was amazing what an epicfilm Dances with Wolves was.
Yeah, yeah, a whole, from acompletely different perspective
and a very, very interestingfilm.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Is it a Tyler Sheridan?
Yeah, Tyler Sheridan.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Everything that dude touches.
He trains you up.
He comes into the gym yeah,he's very, you know, he just
opened a steakhouse too.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Flex, I went.
I haven't gone yet.
It was really good.
We got to get in there.
We got to get that beat.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Better go because I think it's a temporary setup.
It's not going to be thereforever.
Okay, kind of a test maybe, butit's very good.
The steak was amazing.
Using his ranch out of Texasfor the mead, and obviously Four
Sixes sponsored a couple of myevents.
I do the Border Brawl in StLouis for the foundation, which
is a wrestling event, andthey've met some of his folks

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from 4-6's.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Border Brawl.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Take all the best wrestlers from the five
bordering states in Missouri andmatch them up against the best
kids in Missouri, so it's agreat outlet for these high
school kids to show wherethey're at.
It's on Flow Wrestling so thecollege coaches can recruit and
watch these kids compete andit's a really cool event.
Dave mercatoni is a friend ofmine for a long, long time and
he organizes that event everyyear that's awesome.

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I was just there last month, um,and it was really cool, really
fun kind of a nice little segueinto what we've got coming up
this weekend yeah, yeah, I'vegot the uh operation knockout.
It's our 13th year doing this,so it's round, round 13 with
Tough Enough Partnered up withTough Enough.
Obviously, my son fought forTough Enough.
A lot of our young amateurfighters come through Tough
Enough.
Ronda Rousey fought for ToughEnough.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
It really is the farm league, right?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, it's a great place for these young athletes
to get matched up properly sothey're not getting in over
their head.
They get a chance to show theirwares and test themselves out
and see exactly where they're atin the sport.
No amateur sport existed when Istarted this.
My very first fight was a UFC.
No, yeah, ufc 13,.
My very first one.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I didn't know I fought twice that night.
It was a tournament back then,so now there's amateur ranks.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
My son had seven amateur fights before he ever
went pro and so he had a prettygood idea where he was at,
technically, tacticallycondition, wise, psychologically
, how he was going to deal withthe adversity of walking out and
up into that ring or cage andand uh, so and tough enough, has
done a great job of of matchingthese fighters up, yeah, which
is not an easy thing to do, sowe paired up with them, uh, 13

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years ago.
They dedicate that showspecifically to my foundation,
my 501 c3 for wounded combatveterans.
All the proceeds, the bigsilent auction, all that stuff
will all go to the foundation.
I think last year we raisedabout forty five thousand
dollars for the foundation, soit's been a very, very big one
and the motorcycle ride to rightyeah, to date, after 13 years
of Operation Knockout, we'veraised six hundred and

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eleven,000 just to that oneevent.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Wow.
They've done an amazing thingfor the family.
Give a hand for that Incredible, absolutely.
And from my side, because I'vebeen supporting the events for
many years now and one thing Ialways wanted to point out is
sometimes with theseorganizations you don't always
see the direct effect of themoney and how it affects
veterans, like specifically.

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And you know Randy and the wayin which he runs the
organization, you know he goesand cuts checks to families.
You know, and it's a veryemotional, powerful thing and
you know I appreciate all thework you do for the guys and
gals out there who need it,because there's a lot of them.
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
There is a lot of them, and we have to link arms
with as many small organizationsas we can to try and help as
many of these men and women aswe can.
Uncle Sam's not getting the jobdone and the more of us that
help each other out no ego, justhelp each other out the fewer
of them fall through the cracks,and it's that simple.
We know the stats Twenty 22 aday looking down the wrong end
of their pistols.

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That's not right.
So we've got to change thenarrative.
We've got to give these men andwomen some support and help
them through this transition.
It's the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Operation Knockout, obviously, the money that's
generated there and with themotorcycle rides and the
foundation, obviously likelegacy.
I would think you know you'rein, you're in a legacy phase of
your life, right?
Um, how important is that toyou to give that back?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
it's huge, it's a huge piece of my journey.
19 years old, I I took thatoath and wore that uniform for
six years the cold war.
Then there wasn't anythinggoing on, so I did all that
training, took the same oaththat you took and and never had
to put my butt on the line,unlike many of these men and
women now.
Since 9-11, they've beenfighting the war on terror and
putting themselves in harmharm's way and doing what uncle

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sam has asked them to do.
And then they come back hereand they and they frankly they
get shit on, they don't gettaken care of, and it frustrates
the hell out of me both of you,I went in 06 to iraq.
spent 12 days on the ground withRich Franklin over there, went
to six different fobs, met abunch of soldiers just like me
wearing that same uniform I wore, putting their butts on the
line and doing the all thethings I trained to do and never

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had to do.
That was a stark experience forme to be over there in 129
degree heat, pouring water downmy gullet, so I didn't, you know
, drop out of heat exhaustionand wearing the you know the
black jacket and the and thesteel pot and the whole deal,
because we had to and, uh, man,it was an eye-opener for me,
yeah.
And then in 07 and got to go towalter reed and bethesda and

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tour the you know we did at thefisher house, which is their
version of the ronald mcdonaldhouse for caretakers, wives,
moms, fathers whose loved one isin that hospital, getting
fitted for prosthetic or gettingsurgeries to get back right to
then be processed out of theservice and go back to being a
civilian.
And there's where I heard thehorror stories walk the wards
for the first time and meeting abunch of these men and women

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fresh off the battlefield andhearing the woes.
Like man, my mom's car's beenin the parking garage with a
boot on it for the last sixmonths.
We can't afford to pay thetickets and she can't drive back
to work.
We're gonna lose the house.
I mean, I'm like what?
How in the?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I mean, talk about a kick in the gonads yeah, and
another thing I'd like to pointout is that and start this
foundation, but even on thewebsite now you know, people who
are struggling can go to thewebsite and get assistance.
You know, this is somethingthat's really important.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
This is the new way.
We've created a portal therethat any veteran that's
listening to this anywhere, itdoesn't matter where you're at
it doesn't have to be in LasVegas.
We've got vets all over thecountry.
Now Go to the portal, provideme your DD-214.
Show me those bills that are onyour back that you can't get
rid of, and we'll pay thosebills off and take that stress
out of your life.
Now I'm not just going to handyou cash.
I don't want to enable you tocontinue to self-medicate and

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adrenaline seek, because that'swhat we do, indeed but I will
definitely take that stress outof your life, and that's been a
big, big step up in helping alot more vets across the board.
The MVP database, because we'rein nine cities with MVP now all
those connections, all thosevets in all those cities now
have access to Extreme Couture,gi Foundation, xcgiforg, and

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that portal is there.
Any of you can go there and ifyou need some financial
assistance, we'll help you.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's amazing.
I have a couple friendspersonally that went into the
program and you've assisted them, and so it's amazing.
You know helping people,helping people.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
It was what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
J-Roc was telling me some stories, probably like a
couple of weeks before the bikeride that I came up and
supported.
I didn't have a bike,unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
All you guys took off and left me there.
I've been trying to get him on.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Wait, wait, wait a minute On the back of one of
these things they just left me.
Randy was going, this guy wastrying to kick stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I was like we could rent a sidecar, we could do this
up proper.
I'm not sure anybody wanted youshifting the gears there, Flex.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
But he was telling me some of the stories and then
some of the people that I got tomeet that were on the receiving
end of some of these checks andbeautiful stories where you've
gone into hospitals, you've goneinto people's houses and you've
just changed their life in themost meaningful way just by you
know, you using your platform tocreate the foundation and just
pool people together.

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And I'm going to ask thisquestion because maybe some of
the fans that are watching thisdon't understand what you guys
were talking about.
You both have served.
I never went that route.
Unfortunately, I got failed onflat feet in the last uh stages
of going into the military, sothat was my military.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
You're a rugby player .

Speaker 1 (17:54):
You're great yeah, I was going in as a rugby player
too, but you guys obviously haveserved.
You've seen, you've come out.
What is it that truly kind ofuh frustrates you, to say one of
the reasons why you startedyour foundation?
What are the gripes?
You see?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I mean not these, these guys not able to get the
care that they need, uh, in atimely fashion.
They're waiting months andmonths with the VA for for
treatment, for to see a doctor,to get things set up so they can
even begin the process ofhealing.
And then, obviously, the firstthing that the medical

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institutions want to do is slapan opioid or an antidepressant
on top of that, and we all knowthe side effects of that.
They're, you know, banningplant-based medicines and a lot
of other modalities that are arebetter and more effectively
treating these people in thename of just getting them out
the door and getting them out oftheir face.
It seems to me what'sfrustrating is that they would

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rather see us kill ourselvesthan give us the support and the
things that we deserve aftertaking that oath and putting our
butts on the line we deserveafter taking that oath and
putting our butts on the line.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I've also seen that they've you know, they've cut
veteran funding specifically forthe migrant crisis and the
things that are going on likethat, and obviously we're living
in a weird world right now.
Yeah, you know, and we're we'relooking at a possible war right
in front of us and and that,for me, is really scary and
understanding that we alreadyhave this problem that exists
with the last 20 years of warsand it's like you know, I don't

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want to go down that road again.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Systems already overwhelmed, they can't keep up.
Yeah, and that's whyfoundations like mine exist
because we know at some pointwe've got to take care of our
own.
We've got to step up and do thejob that's not being done.
Yeah, that's what's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But people don't see the pain behind the family and
what happens to those guys.
It's not just them, it's theirkids.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
The divorce rate is ridiculous the suicide rate.
We've already mentioned andwe've helped out plenty of
families who've already losttheir service member to suicide.
Those family members stillcount and they still count on
the books as far as I'mconcerned and as far as the
foundation is concerned, andwe've handed checks to those

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women even though their servicemember's already gone, because
they're all one unit, they'reall part of the same group and
the same people that have allendured what that oath means.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
And at the ride, naya .
You know she had lost herboyfriend and her dad, both
service members, in a very shortperiod of time and Randy helped
her and helped that family.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
And I had no idea why she melted down when we called
her out and didn't know what shewas dealing with.
And you never know whatsomebody else is carrying around
.
So do your best to be nice forcrying out loud.
It's just a smile, but littledid you know, little did it cost
.
Hand those smiles out, tellpeople you love them, you know,
help them out.
I mean, that's what we're hereto do vibrate at a higher level

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and help each other out, loveeach other, take care of each
other and certainly an affinityfor guys that wore the green
guys and galsals that wore thegreen.
I'm going to bend overbackwards to try and help those
people.
They took that same oath I did.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's good man, I mean.
I really appreciate it and weneed more of this, obviously, as
you see, the political and notto get too political right.
Oh, here he goes.
Not to get too political.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
When you set the tone like you know what I'm saying,
somebody I'm not.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
But I got it.
No offense, but somebody goesin with no offense, but I'm
about to offend you.
It seems to be pretty easy todo these days If I start with,
but it's true.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
It's true, Carry on bro.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Well, you know we got an election.
We're a week out of an election.
I think it's probably, you know, we could probably agree it's a
really important election,maybe one of the most important
elections we've seen in ourlifetime.
We're in two conflicts rightnow, with others brewing.
There's a lot of issues in thecountry, different politics that

(21:58):
are being carried out, ourborder you know all these things
and obviously you know there'sgot to be some things there that
you're seeing, uh, that you'renot appreciating or you want
changed right, and so we'regoing to the voting box.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
I'm not gonna you don't have to tell me who you're
voting for, but I could guessyeah, well, obviously it's a
very touchy subject and stilldoing studio films, so I keep my
head down and my mouth shut.
But anybody who digs in andknows who I am and where I came
from knows that I'm aconservative, that I believe in

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this republic and thisconstitution and our Bill of
Rights.
That's what separates us fromeverybody else on the planet and
has been the bastion of hopefor a lot of folks on this
planet for a long, long time,and that is certainly being
challenged.
The Patriot Act in many wayschanged America forever.

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No more privacy Under the guiseof what happened in 9-11, and a
lot of information come out nowthat it appears to have been an
inside job with motives, andevery war we've ever been in has
been a banker's war.
Why are we not at war withRussia right now?
Because we're as connected asthey are and we can see through

(23:17):
the lies and some of themisinformation and crap that's
out there and that's allowed usto be drug into those situations
that we shouldn't be in yeah,that's one of the things more
than capable of handling thepalestinians and hamas
themselves, and iran for thatmatter, and anyone with a brain
knew what was going to happen.
The second those funds werereleased to iran and where that

(23:40):
money was going to go, includingthe idf, so why would they be
surprised when those guys comeover the border and do what they
did?
That's a terrorist organization, plain and simple.
Wipe them off the planet.
That's fine, but not at theexpense of genocide in Palestine
and the Palestinian people.
That's the truth of the matter.
You know it's a very, verydifficult situation, or there's?

(24:07):
You know it's a very, verydifficult situation.
You can't criticize anybodythere without being called and
labeled certain things.
That it's not about.
That we don't, you know exactlyto that point.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know, because, like I love all americans, you
know, don't whether you'revoting for whoever you're voting
for.
Like we're all americans, we'reall in this together.
Obviously there's differentviewpoints on how we think the
country should, should, moveforward, but we can all look at
things and agree.
You know there's certain thingsnot working right.
So it's like how do we stopfighting amongst each other?
How does it?
You know, you see the medianarratives, that kind of happen

(24:38):
and it's, I feel like it's hardfor for the, for an average
person, to understand what'sreal, what's not real at this
point.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, I guess for me it all depends on who you're
around and you just take I'vejust done this I've taken
everything that's been said andthen I digest it myself.
You know, I'm old enough andmature enough to make my own
decisions up.
I'm not a sheep.
There's things I agree on,things I don't agree on, but we

(25:06):
can all agree there's no win.
When you talk politics withanybody right, there's always
going to be something that orsomebody that's going to come
after you.
You know, because your opiniondoesn't.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Drive with their opinion.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Drive with theirs.
So it's kind of like thatlose-lose.
Whatever you want to talk,there you go.
And you know even my mom in theUK, for example, all the BBC
over there is the completeopposite of what we're hearing
over here.
It's just whatever can bepicked apart and put on TV.
So there's a skewed version ofyou know what's really going on

(25:39):
over here.
Well, not through my eyesanyway, you know.
So I speak to my mother.
She's always trying to changemy mind.
It's like I live here, you stayin the uk, that's called the
shift.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
But I mean there's some problems in the uk too,
that we're seeing here, it'severywhere, it's not just here
and we don't get to see all theworld news.
But like these immigrationproblems are happening in the uk
I mean we were just talkingabout you had some of your boys,
like you know, keeping guys offthe streets.
It's like it's happeningeverywhere.
So you know there's a biggerproblem out there that you know.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Hopefully we get some daylight here, it all seems to
be part and parcel of the sameplan and agenda breaking down
the sovereignty of all theseEuropean countries, breaking
down the sovereignty of thiscountry with the open borders
and the mass influx of migrants.
It seems to be part of a planin my opinion, and there's a lot

(26:31):
of evidence that suggests that,and there's a lot of people
that don't agree with thatposition or don't see those
facts laid out.
But there seems to be a planhere.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
You're a business guy .
I think you should just take aring to the fucking board.
You want to come in here, fightit out, duke it out, you want
to come in here, fight it out.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Duke it out.
You want to prove yourself.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Got a new TV show?
Yeah, I know, that's it.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Segwaying to the ring .
My gosh, where do we start withthis?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
He's got a lot in the ring.
He's got a lot in the ringAgain.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
we just mentioned that your first fight was a
professional fight, ufc 13,.
Right, you fought twice in oneday.
Yeah, twice that I mean.
Can you take us back to thattimeline and you going into that
UFC 13?
And knowing you're going topotentially fight twice that day
.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Well, the journey started a long time before that.
Honestly, I'd heard what agreat wrestler my dad was.
My dad was a deadbeat.
He was never really around mostof my life.
One of the reasons I love tohunt to this day because the
only times I got to see him hewould come, take me out of
school and take me hunting, takeme out in the woods to chase
deer or elk.
Um, but I'd heard my whole lifewhat an amazing wrestler, what
a tough guy he was.
So somewhere in my young mindat 12, at 11, 12 years old, I

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turned out for the wrestlingteam thinking maybe I'd get his
attention, maybe he'd comearound.
Never saw me wrestle a match inmy entire career.
Wow, I found the place where Iseemed to flourish Well you were
the natural those coaches werevery important Coach Case, coach
McAvoy, coach Winter, you knowall those guys.
Those were the guys that filledthat void that my father left.

(27:57):
My dad left, and so they becamevery important.
Those friends, that seemed tobe the place I flourished.
Yes, walking out in the middleof that mat in the compulsory
uniform of that era, which was apair of tights and a singlet.
Now there's real courage for youin front of all your peers to
potentially get your ass pinned.
I mean, that's where it startedlearning to control that

(28:18):
internal dialogue, learning thatI'm going to get out of this
exactly what I put into it, thework ethic and all those things
that were indigenous to thatsport of wrestling then
translated to fighting at somepoint down the road, much, much
farther down the road.
Ninety-six, I was exposed tothe UFC for the first time.
One of my athletes brought thisVHS tape over from Oregon State

(28:42):
.
I was coaching at Oregon State.
We all lived in the sameapartment complex.
Man, check this out.
It happened to be Don Fry, whoI went to college with at
Oklahoma State.
My freshman year was his senioryear in college at Oklahoma
State.
He was a heavyweight.
I was a 190-pounder.
We were two of the only threeathletes on the whole team that
were married, so we all hung outtogether a lot because we had

(29:02):
wives.
We weren't going to the fratparties strip club and don and I
were good friends and here Isee him in this cage fighting
this dude like dude what is that?
And was immediately intriguedand saw the application of years
and years of wrestling,wrestling training and mindset
uh and they're gonna pay.
Pay me what.

(29:23):
Oh, my God, I definitely want totry this.
And then in 2007, you know, Ihad a friend that put me in sent
, filled out the application,sent it in with some wrestling
video, said, oh, we got enoughwrestlers, but we'll put them on
our alternate list.
We want more exotic martialartists right now.
So I'm on the alternate list.
This is in 96, 97.
Spring rolls around.

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I'm getting ready to go toPuerto Rico and wrestle for the
US, representing the US on theGreco team at the Pan Am
Championships, and I get a callthree weeks before I'm supposed
to leave.
Hey, you're on our alternatelist.
We've got a heavyweighttournament in three weeks.
Do you want to fight?
I'm like hell, yeah, I want tofight, let's do this.
Had to get it passed to thehead coach.
I was the assistant coach atOregon State and he said well,

(30:05):
if the athletic director's okaywith that, I don't like it.
I think it's bad for wrestling,I think it's bad for this
university, but if the athleticdirector says it's okay, then
you can do it.
The athletic director thoughtit was the coolest thing ever.
He went nuts.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Guy sounds like a hater.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
He went nuts he thought it was the coolest thing
ever, so off and going, I fightin UFC 13.
Two fights that night.
It was a tournament I win theheavyweight tournament.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Two fights in one night.
Yeah, two fights.
Talk about that real quick,because Two fights in one night,
ladies and gentlemen, right theold school Ironman.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It was a tournament format and they had cut it down.
It used to be an eight-manbracket and you fought three
times those early days withHoyce.
They fought three times in onenight.
It's wild.
They cut it down because youdidn't always get the best
fighter that made it to thefinals.
Guys got hurt and got injured.
You had alternates and othersubstitutes in there, or a guy
went in and fought injured anddidn't fight up to his

(31:02):
capability either, so theystarted shifting and moving away
.
They narrowed it to a four-manbracket, so I fought twice that
night.
Uh, then shortly after thatthey did away with the
tournament format altogether and, uh, we started running towards
regulation, running towardsrules.
There were very few rules inthose early shows.
Four rules couldn't bite,couldn't I gouge, you couldn't

(31:22):
fish hook um and you couldn'tgroin strike all my favorites
especially that groin strike.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's his fucking signature move.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Joe joe, what was that korean kid, that fighter
joe dong?
He got just hammered oh yes,that video yeah, makes your butt
pucker every time you see it.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh my god yeah true pioneer, though you know, and
also when I think about it, likeyou were really the first
dominant wrestler right and andI feel like wrestlers at that
time, it was like it was likethis emergence, it was like
jujitsu everybody's talkingabout that and all of a sudden
these wrestlers just starteddominating in the ufc it wasce
Gracie, obviously, and nobodyknew what Brazilian jiu-jitsu

(32:02):
was.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
And here's this 170, 180-pound guy literally tapping
out and choking out these hugeguys.
And the kryptonite to thatstyle was wrestling and Fry
Coleman Severin, those were theOG first three.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Kevin Randleman.
Yeah, Randleman.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
There was a bunch of us Danny Henderson, matt Lindley
, myself there's a wholeplethora of us guys that kind of
migrated from the wrestlingworld into this MMA world and a
real raw team, real Americanwrestling with Rico Ciparelli.
That was the team.
Me and Dan Henderson and MattLindley and a bunch of us were
on that team.
He had the wisdom to see thedirect application of years of

(32:48):
wrestling ability in this cageand how to make our mark there
and that was what he set out todo is show what real wrestlers
were all about.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
And uh, do you ever see?
Or do you ever look back andthink, wow, you know, the ufc,
pfl, bellator, they've allevolved right from them early
stages.
Do you think yourself?
Sometimes it's like, wow, wow,I was fighting.
As you know, I would say thisyour legacy right now in looking
back and the evolution of thesport of MMA in general, could

(33:14):
you ever imagine what it lookslike now, back then?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, I think it's been amazing to see the sport
explode, to be a small part ofthat journey, and the sport
opened up and people shiftedfrom misinterpreting who we were
and what we were doing.
They thought we were criminals.
Somehow we were just going tograb them and bite them or kick
their ass right there.
It was very interesting.

(33:38):
It was an education process andthey used guys like me that
came from Olympic caliberwrestling to educate people
about the sport and that weweren't mindless.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It wasn't a mindless rage game Human dog fighting.
It's like I remember the dogfighting.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Cockfight they used to call it yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
And so there was this education process in that
period and we ran towards rules.
They started implementingunified rules.
It was almost a new rule everyshow back then.
So it was really interesting.
It's interesting to be involved, interesting to see the sport
gain popularity and gainmainstream attention as a
legitimate sport.
And uh, you know they wereusing guys like tank abbott.

(34:16):
You know who was a reputedbarroom brawler I used to love
watching this bar.
You know off this bar stool andpunch you in the face.
That was kind of their mottoand their moniker back there and
that wasn't being very wellreceived, frankly.
And it wasn't really until theFertittas and Dana White bought
the brand because the brand wasstruggling that they were able
to fashion it in a way, runtowards rules, create unified

(34:39):
rules which happened just beforethey bought the company.
But they definitely took thatto a whole new level going to
rounds, going to a system, a10-point must system, which
we're all used to from boxing,and kind of gravitating towards
those combative sports that wealready knew, that were widely
accepted everywhere, and I wasused to, you know, say in some
of these meetings oh, you takeall the combative sports that

(35:00):
are in the Olympic Games and youroll them up into one and you
have mixed martial arts.
This is what we do.
So, yeah, it's been an amazingthing to see Used to be go to
some of these casting calls, youknow, at the same management as
Boss Rutten and Kevin Randlemanand Rampage Jackson.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
All the OGs.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
They saw that the next action star was going to
come out of Mixed Martial Arts,because there's an authenticity
and a physicality there that webring to these roles.
So they would start farming usout to these meetings to meet
these casting directors andstuff Me.
Rampage and Boss would be inthe same room and guys would
come.
It used to be oh my God, you'reone of those cage fighters.
Why, dying us, we're going tosomehow come over the table and

(35:43):
kill them.
And then it shifted in 2004,2005.
We'd go to those same meetingsand guys would come from two
floors up.
Oh, we heard you were in thebuilding.
Can we get a picture with you?
And I'm like, oh my God, it'samazing how things have changed.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Is this going to help me get the part?
Is this going to help me getthe part In perception?
Yeah, so obviously for yourself, randy.
You're known for getting intothe sport at a later age, even
though 33 is not, you know, oldin any shape or form.
But when you've gone throughthe career, you've gone through
with the wrestling, three NCAAchampionships you've won what do

(36:22):
you want the Olympicalternative to?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I've been on the Olympic team four times, from 88
all the way to 2000.
That was the one goal I didn'tachieve in the sport.
I didn't make the Olympic team.
I made the world team andwrestled in the world
championships on four occasions.
But in four Olympic trials Imanaged to come up short and in
92 and 96 especially, I was thenumber one guy in my weight
class.
Everybody expected me to makethose teams and I managed to

(36:44):
step on it and lose in thosefinal matches.
So again, I think everythinghappens for a reason.
I lost those matches.
I think if I had won thosematches, made the team and won
my medal, I would probably be awrestling coach somewhere right
now.
I would have never forayed intoMMA.
That fire was still in mebecause I didn't achieve that
goal.
Yeah, and and now I saw thisapplication, not only to make a

(37:06):
great living for my family andestablish, uh, some generational
wealth there through throughthe sport as a professional
athlete, but the directapplication of most, you know,
30 years of my life as awrestler fit right into this
sport.
It was a great place to jumpoff.
Now I had to learn all theother stuff.
But that was the fun part, andso I jumped in with both feet,

(37:28):
literally on a whim.
Within three shows, four fights.
I'm wearing a worldchampionship belt.
I'm like what the hell justhappened.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
How did that?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
happen.
It was crazy and I got into arhubarb with the old owners, scg
and over their contract becausethey were experiencing the huge
backlash politically fromsenator mccain and others that
were speaking out against thesport and calling it human
cockfighting and all that.
So they got got us canceled offpeople's choice, the
pay-per-view character carrier.
So now they were strugglingfinancially.

(38:00):
Here I signed this new threefight deal for for great money.
And then they're like we can'tpay you that.
Oh, you know, I'm ready todefend my title.
Here it is in black and whitethis is what you need to pay me.
No, I'm sorry, we can't pay youthat.
And I said well, I'm ready tofight, but I'm gonna fight for
the amount we just spent weeksnegotiating for.

(38:20):
And so you choose oh well, youchoose not to defend your title,
we're going to strip you of thetitle.
And they started a heavyweighttournament and that's how Boss
ended up becoming the title.
Him and the Randleman fighthappened in that tournament,
which was a classic, iconicfight between those two warriors
Guys.
I know very well both of them.
So ultimately, kevin eventuallycame back and and won that

(38:43):
title.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I ended up coming back to the usc and fighting
kevin for the heavyweightchampionship what was the
duration in time between youvacant in your title and then
coming a year, a year?
Yeah, were you active?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I was wrestling tried to make the 2000 team basically
oh wow, I was in the finals ofthe olympic trials again and
lost to garrett lowney, who wenton to win a bronze medal in the
sydney games.
Um and I, I knew at that pointit was time for me to retire
from wrestling.
So I hung up my shoes, put myboots on the mat that day, uh,
in dallas, at those olympictrials, and then I could focus

(39:17):
solely on on fighting and andnot juggle both of those, uh,
wrestling and and fighting atthe same time.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Did you have boxing?
Sorry, did you have any boxingbackground or did that start?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
It's a common misconception because of UFC 13.
They said, oh, he had extensiveboxing training in the army and
that wasn't true.
I would have done anything torun in formation in boots.
So volleyball, yes, sign me up.
Boxingball, yes, sign me up.
Boxing, I'm in.
Sign me up for the boxingsmoker.
At Fort Rucker, alabama, I didthree weeks of training, go to

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the boxing gym instead ofrunning in formation and then
didn't get a match in the smoker.
So I did that three weeks ofboxing training to get a match
in that smoker and then didn'tget a match.
So that was my extensive boxingtraining.
That the announcer said at ufc13 so everybody thought I was a
boxer.
I'm like what are they talkingabout?
I'll take it, yeah.

(40:09):
So I knew I had to learn theboxing, especially in that
second fight against vitor.
He was smoking everybody jabcross, jab cross, jab cross so
fast too, very very explosive.
You know, I think, ufc 13.
He fought trey tellingman onthat, on that card, and
literally beat him up in 60seconds, smoked him, yeah, and
he'd done the same thing to tank, yeah, in the next show.
Yeah, and vanderley, yeah, um,I think that was later.

(40:30):
That was later after that I wasalready the champ when the
vanderley fight happened.
I watched that fight too, butuh, yeah, he was smoking
everybody.
And that's who.
After my tournament win, theywanted me to fight him in the
super fight.
And the guy who won that superfight was going to get the title
.
Shot against Mo Smith.
Mo had just beat Mark ColemanLeg, kicked him to death until
Mark couldn't stand up anymore.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Little Maurice Smith yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I remember that Vito fight.
You had him in a clinch.
You were just uppercutting him,looking for up Dirty boxing you
had him in a clinch.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
You were just uppercutting him.
Yeah, dirty boxing, dirtyboxing.
Born that night yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I was going to mention that because that's what
you know.
If you go online and you dosome research around, the dirty
boxing is next to the name ofyours and, like you just told
the story now that your boxingextent was, three weeks.
At that point in time, ofcourse, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Well, I definitely went and found a boxing coach to
get ready for that Belfortfight because he was smoking
everybody, and Scotty down atBoxing Works in Hermosa Beach,
and Tony, who was a greatkickboxer and a stunt guy.
Me and Tony ended up workingtogether in a couple movies
after that, but those guyshelped me shore up my boxing to
get ready for Vitor Belfort thefirst time I fought him.

(41:40):
Here's this southpaw that wasin a black belt in jiu-jitsu and
literally crushing everybodywith his hands just blasting
through everybody.
So I knew if I could get myhands on him and not get punched
in the grill.
I had a chance to wear him outand making him wrestle me and
that was our goal was to get myhands on this guy and make him
wrestle me as much as I can inthis fight, tire him out, and

(42:01):
that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Was it a ritual that you had going into each one of
your fights?
Was it something that you usedto do?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Superstitions Not superstition, but I did have the
same plastics when I cut weight.
I wore the same clothes, thesame gear.
That's how you know exactly howmuch water weight you lost.
It's a regime.
So I know I'm sweating, gettingmy stuff on.
By the first 10 minutes of thatwalk I've already sweat out one

(42:30):
pound.
I had it calculated.
So if I'm nine over, I knowit's going to take me 90 minutes
.
Once I get dressed it's goingto take me 90 minutes to sweat
out this water and be down toweight.
And I had it dialed in to two,literally the ounce I could.
I could time it perfectly.
I knew exactly the sweat comingup my panties, like I know this

(42:51):
is a problem.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I've lost five.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I got three or four more to go and I just, you know,
do that regularly.
Visualization I had a hugevisualization routine that I
would do every practice in thatcamp camps.
The sweet spot for me tended tobe about 10 weeks.
12 weeks was too long, eightweeks was too short.
As I got older and later in mycareer I became more active, I

(43:13):
shortened my camps to eightweeks.
I didn't need a full 10 weekcamp because I was just bouncing
one camp to the next.
There wasn't no downtime inbetween.
So, um, you refine the, youknow, dial in what you need and
how you feel both physically andmentally.
All those modalities, massagetherapy, my chiropractor,
acupuncture, all those thingswere part of of that camp new

(43:36):
school psychological skills thatit takes to deal with the
adversity of walking out of thattunnel and up into that cage.
So, practicing those mentalskills, framing uh,
visualization.
I saw that fight hundreds oftimes before I ever walked out
of that tunnel, with the onecommon denominator it was me
getting my hand raised at theend of it.
He could throw the kitchen sinkat me in those visualizations,

(43:56):
but it was always me beingvictorious.
That that's what I had topicture and program myself,
prepare myself to experience.
And that's what most peopledon't recognize.
You control that internaldialogue.
It does not control you.
So many people are a slave tothat voice in their head and
that voice says things thatnobody in their right mind would
say to your face and not expectto get punched in the mouth.

(44:18):
And that's the truth.
You control that voice.
That voice does not control you, and so many people miss the
boat there.
And so, getting it to say thesame things that come out of
your conscious voice, get thatsubconscious voice to say the
same things, and, man, you're,you're going to be a force to be
reckoned with.
When they're both in line andthey're both saying the same
thing, especially when thepressure gets turned up, that

(44:39):
internal dialogue startschirping.
What, what ifs, all the what ifscome in.
What if this happens?
What if that happens?
What if he does this?
What if the ref does that?
All these things you can'tcontrol.
So, learning to give thoseaffirmations and make that voice
shut up and recite thoseaffirmations and I had to write
those on three by five cards inthe early days and eventually
you don't need the cards anymorebecause you know them by heart

(45:00):
and you can reprogram that voiceto say what you need it to say,
to keep you on task and keepyou doing exactly what you
trained to do and go out andexecute.
Smile, and go out and execute.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
You're a big well, we're a big mindset guy in this
podcast and obviously you are abig mindset guy.
Would this be principles thatyou start putting together on
that 10-week camp, 8-week camp,that you start putting together
on that 10-week camp, eight-weekcamp?
And are you then, as the fightis coming closer, are you more
aggressively having thatvisualization, or is this
something that's being prolongedthroughout?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
It starts as soon as I know that's the guy they want
me to fight and I start watchingthe video and I go from the
oldest video to the newest video.
How has he progressed?
Where did he win when?
How has he progressed?
Where did he win?
Where did he lose?
Where did he like to be?
Where did he seem not to liketo be?
Where are his strengths andweaknesses?
And there's where my team comesin guys like eric nixick, right
shout out eric aren't gonnalove you, eric, aren't gonna

(45:53):
blow smoke up behind them.
They're gonna be honest and saylook, this is where he's really
dangerous, where he beat thisguy and where he wins here so
it's an important relationshipyou need to prepare tools and
sharpen tools for you to stayout of those situations or be
able to address those situations.
If you should happen to fallinto that situation, tito takes
you down.
You've got a problem.
96 of his fights he won fromthat top position, dropping

(46:17):
elbows on guys.
So it boils down to notconceding that takedown and
allowing him to get the positionwhere he has the most success
right and then spank his butt.
Well, could have, never in amillion years imagined ending up
in that circumstance with 45seconds left in that fight.
But it happened so.
But again, you know you sharpenthe appropriate tools you
believe you have to solve theproblem.

(46:39):
It's problem solving that guyacross across the cage poses a
significant number of problemsthat you have to mentally and
physically figure out how tosolve.
And and so sharpening theappropriate tools, hoping you
get that combination right andyou're out to able to go out
there and execute those things.
You keep that internal dialoguein line.
It doesn't undermine yourconfidence.
You're not out running sprintsthe week of the weigh-ins

(47:01):
because you what if I get tired?
And then you wonder why youdon't have your legs under you
on saturday night because youlisten to that voice and we're
out in the parking lot runningsprints instead of having
confidence in your plan andsticking to your guns.
Yeah, oh, I mean.
All those things are a factor,and a huge piece of athletics is
is mental, and what I wishedI'd realized is that a lot of

(47:22):
those same mental skills applyto my everyday life, not just my
athletic life.
I could have probably savedmyself a couple of divorces
maybe not, maybe not we're notgonna go down that road.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I know you said nothing's old, but you know.
Off the record, yeah, but wewon't go on that record.
There's obviously a fewex-girlfriends that uh would
love throw me under the bus too,so I'll move away from any of
them ex-relationships.
But just fast, quickly, and I'mgoing to dive into this.
In the cage, when you'refighting, you obviously
mentioned that guy across thecage has got an excessive amount

(47:55):
of tools that he's going to useon you.
Your job is to make sure thatyou have more tools than that
person In the fight.
Are you just in flow state orare you consciously reminding
yourself to be present?
And if so, what kind of tacticsdo you use?

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I think the goal is to be in flow state In the heat
of the moment.
In an action-reaction sportlike mixed martial arts or
wrestling, you don't have timeto think.
That opportunity to executethat technique happens in a
split second and if you're notalready in the motions of of
executing that technique, thatmoment passed and you've missed
it.
So you're absolutely trying toachieve that flow state.

(48:30):
The machine in in the zen world, what's it called?
Everything slows down.
You see everything that'scoming.
It's a crazy state of mind, butwhen you get in that flow state
, that's what that flow state is.
The zen call it machine.
Yeah, I have that tattooed onmy side.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Uh, in kanji it's a real thing, too right.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
It's like you like everything slows down is it a
fight in particular where youjust had that flow state and
you're like oh my gosh, I'm, I'mabsolutely tricks though?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I've had some amazing uh encounters in that flow
state where everybody was likewhat the hell?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
How did he do that?
I got fucking goosebumpsthinking about this.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
It's wild and that's absolutely what you're trying to
achieve.
And again, controlling thatinternal dialogue, letting that
chatter go on and undermine yourconfidence, having all those
things firing on the samecylinder, seeing that success,
visualizing and preparingyourself physically because
those pictures you put in yourhead you will have a physical
response to Amen.
I do this all the time withpeople.

(49:29):
Make them close their eyes andvisualize that lemon and you see
your hand come in and slicethat lemon and the two halves of
the lemon open up and you cansee the segments and the clear
juice and the pulp and it'srunning out on the counter and
you start to smell that, smellthat lemon.
Close my eyes doing this withyou and now you're.
And now what?
Your mouth is starting topucker and I can open your eyes.

(49:51):
I don't see any lemons in here.
You just put that image in yourbrain and had a physical
response to that picture.
That's how powerful that is andit's the same thing with me
visualizing that fight andseeing myself walk out of that
tunnel, walk up into there andexecute those, especially that
first encounter, that firstengagement, because that gets
the momentum going your way, andthen it's action, reaction and

(50:14):
everything that you've trainedto do unfolds right in front of
your face.
It's an amazing thing toexperience is there?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
is there a particular fight that you you know is your
favorite fight, or you just youhad that flow state, right, you
know there's three that come tomind immediately.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
That first belfort fight.
Nobody gave me a snowball'schance in hell winning that
fight.
He smoked everybody.
I think he had six fights tothat time and an aggregate time
in the cage of about three and ahalf minutes.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
He was like a Mike Tyson in the UFC.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Just blasting through everybody and I knew if I could
get my hands on this guy andhang on to him and make him
wrestle me, literally hangaround his neck like a weight,
he was going to have a problem.
And that's exactly how thatunfolded and nobody gave me a
chance to win in that one.
The first Chuck fight Again,everybody was sure Chuck was

(51:07):
going to knock me out and I madefriends with that eventuality,
that that was a possibility.
But by god, I was going to godown swinging and I was hitting
him first and that totally threwhim off.
He never got in the groove inthat fight.
And the second and third fight,what happened?
He changed his footwork.
He changed the way heapproached me.
Because of that it made it muchmore difficult to get bearing
on him.
He was a moving target insteadof that stationary target that
he was.
He had those long levers andthat unique innate ability to

(51:29):
catch you right on the end ofthose things and I had to make
friends with that's exactly whathe was going to do and there's
a damn good chance he mightcatch me.
So make friends with the worstpossible outcome and go out and
do exactly what you trained todo and it worked.
Can I ask you that?
I know we go one tim sylviafight was the third, the third
and and again six foot eightmuch chef in the cage, been

(51:50):
retired for 13 months goingthrough the divorce and all that
, and came back for that fight.
Nobody, nobody.
43 years old, everybody's likethis guy's out of his mind I was
jumping out of my chair.
I think everybody was.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
When he landed that right hand.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
It was like practice that left inside kick to break
Tim's balance and bring his headdown overhand right left hook
and he disappeared for the lefthook.
I was as surprised as everybodywhen he fell over.
That was huge.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
We were talking about that.
I don't know if you were onthis episode, but me and Eric
were talking about thatparticular fight on one of the
episodes him and I done together.
Eric has been a co-host on theshow a few times, co-host when
we brought guys like Stricklandin because we need to have a
little formative.
Because you know Eric would belike okay, okay and Sean's like

(52:35):
okay.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
You know, if there's anybody that can control.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Sean, I think Eric has a slight advantage there,
you know, but that's soimpressive.
Like I'm 40 right now, I'm 41in November and the thought of
me getting back onto acompetitive bodybuilding stage
is crazy, you know.
You've got to go through thewhole process.
More than anything else, it'sthe mind change Because there's
such a journey to getting backon stage in my world.

(53:03):
But I have to start believingthat I'm going to win that Mr
Olympia long before I've eventouched a weight.
And that process is so farbehind me right now because
obviously I've gone through thestages losing weight, killing
the ego off, because again,otherwise it's that next
competitor that I've got to beatand face on stage.
For you, 43 years old, gettingback into the octagon facing the
current champion again,otherwise it's that next
competitor that I've got to beatand face on stage.
For you, 43 years old, going,getting back into the octagon,

(53:24):
facing the current champion.
How hard was that for you toget back into that routine and
training again, um, and get intothat mindset it never left.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
So it wasn't like I had to.
You know, I was still those,even though I stepped out for 13
months.
There was other stuff going on.
I was going through a divorce,I was in a rhubarb with the
powers that be Dana and companyover contracts and BS.
But that fire, that hunger inme and what it took to walk back

(53:56):
up into that belt, I knew whatI had to do and I also knew Tim
pretty well.
Tim came and stayed with me forthree weeks in oregon and team
quest stayed in my house and Iliked him.
Tim and I were friends and god,we're still friends to this day
.
But I knew tim, psychologically, was one of those guys that had
to do this to put his own mindin the right place, have that

(54:17):
animosity and that anger betweenwhoever he was fighting so he
could go out and do his job andhe the right place, have that
animosity and that anger betweenwhoever he was fighting so he
could go out and do his job, andhe was going to have a little
trouble because of ourfriendship, garnering that same
energy with me.
I knew psychologically that wasgoing to be an issue for tim.
I'd also spent three weeks onthe mat with tim training and so
I kind of watched him progress,watched him progress all the

(54:38):
way to rico when he won, won thetitle and was in there cracking
dudes and you know knocking outcabbage knocking, you know,
literally yeah he was crushingand I saw that mentality
changing him.
He started fighting not to loseinstead of going out there and
fighting to win, which is acompletely different mentality.
Then there was the andre oloskitim silvia show.

(55:00):
For about five years there itwas them back and forth, yeah,
and they knew each other so welland some of those fights were
like watching paint dry.
They just they didn't engage,they weren't very exciting.
So I watched this change in tim.
I knew tim tactically andtechnically and, uh,
psychologically I knew he wasgoing to have an issue doing
what he needed to do in a fightagainst me.

(55:21):
We had worked on that firstengagement that left inside kick
to break his balance and bringhis head down.
And man did that work like acharm.
And then again, once thatmomentum is going your way, it's
going to take something prettydrastic from him on his side of
things to get it to swing backhis way.
And he just never.
He never got in the groove.

(55:41):
He couldn't make it happen.
Biggest crowd we've ever had inNorth America at that time,
over 22,000 people nationwide inColumbus Ohio.
It was a crazy crowd.
I'll never forget that last10-second countdown.
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Is that something you miss the crowd response.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
No, you know, it took me a good year to come to terms
with walking away from thesport.
When I did the James Toneyfight was that camp, for
whatever reason, every oldinjury I'd ever experienced
through wrestling and fightingflared up in that camp for no
particular reason.

(56:20):
And that was the first timethat little voice in my head
started saying hey, maybe that'syour body telling you it's time
to do something else.
And I think once you starthaving that conversation in your
brain, that's something youhave to take very seriously.
That's hard to fight,especially the nature of this
sport where you're literallyputting yourself in harm's way
to try and solve those problemsthat guy poses.
So once that littleconversation started happening

(56:43):
in my brain after that camp, Iknew I didn't want to go out on
that fight.
I wanted a real fight.
so not that he wasn't a realfight, but that was more of a
gimmick fight, boxing versus mma, the whole thing and I was
honored to get the nod.
I think they were originallyyeah, it was interesting that
chuck for that and they thought,well, chuck, might be silly
enough to try and stand up andbox with James Toney.

(57:03):
We know Randy won't do that andI honestly think that's why I
got the nod.
Yeah, it was because they knewI would wrestle him.
I wasn't going to try and boxwith him.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, ufc wasn't trying to lose face on that one.
No, there was a lot of back andforth.
They In Boston.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I mean, that was an amazing place to fight.
That crowd in Boston wasridiculous.
They are sports crazy there.
Dana's hometown.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
He's like don't you go out there and fuck me Not in
front of my hometown.
Speaking of Dana.
Speaking of Dana, you know I'veheard there always hasn't been
the best relationship there andI don't know if that's because
you're integrated with the PFLand essentially it's a competing
league.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Dana had issues with me because I held their feet to
the fire over their ancillaryrights and their crappy
contracts when they bought thecompany in 2001,.
I had just signed to newmanagement Jeremy Lappin and
Peter Levin the same guys thatwere sending me out all these
casting calls because theybelieved the next action hero
was going to come from the MMAworld because of that, like I
said, that authenticity andphysicality and so they

(58:05):
understood what those ancillaryrights were, and what that meant
to me is, when they bought thecompany, I was the heavyweight
champ and I was due, after onemore fight, to sign a new
contract with these new guysthat owned it and we took them
to task over those ancillaryrights.
Why should I give away allthose ancillary rights in every
category in perpetuity, forever?
Yes, that means if I wanted towrite a book or be involved in a

(58:28):
film like expendables orwhatever in a video game.
I would have had to have askedtheir permission to do those
things and they would havewanted their cut of that.
Yeah, I get owning the fightsthat I'm in.
That they've created a platformfor that's fine, but all this
other extraneous stuff why wouldI give that stuff away?
Right?
That's silly.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
How has it changed now?
I mean, is it, is it stillsimilar?
Cause you know just the ithasn't changed.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Uh, obviously the class action lawsuit been
approved by the judge, the.
We were hoping for injunctiverelief.
Uh, money's great and and theyou know, 375 million dollars is
a lot of money for 1200, whatwas originally 1200 fighters in
that class, for the league class.
But the real goal on this10-year process with these big

(59:12):
class action firms wasinjunctive relief, create some
transparency in our sport andchange the way that's that this
company has to do business.
Now the most direct way to dothat is to get the Muhammad Ali
Act amended to cover allcombative sports athletes, not
just boxers.
That act was passed in 1996 toprotect boxers from promoters

(59:33):
like Don King and Bob Arum.
The commissioner of the NevadaState Athletic Commission, who
was the number one commission inthe US, was Lorenzo Fertitta
when that act was passed in 96.

(59:54):
As far as creating a stable offighters that he can then
exploit, sign to these 17-pagecrap contracts and basically
keep them to a minimal amount ofthe take from any single event,
the fighters are taking 13% to15% of any single event in the
UFC home.
All the rest goes to thepromotion.
Their goal is to keep theathletes under 20% and they've

(01:00:17):
done that very, very well at 13%to 15%.
Show me another sport in oursociety where that's the case.
The athletes that are puttingtheir butts on the line are
taking that little amount home.
There isn't one.
Everything's at least 50%.
Boxing is 60 to 75%, dependingon who's fighting on that card.
So there's a huge issue in oursport with transparency.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
It's a prevalent issue too, right?
It's like we see a lot of thisbeing talked about, even though
he's in the sport.
He's not in the sport, right,but he's in the sport, jake Paul
.
He's been leading that.
Jake Paul's been doing thesecrossover boxing matches.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Guys from the MMA world like Ben Askren, tyron
Woodley, anderson Silva andthose guys made more money from
that one crossover boxing matchthan they ever made in in mma.
And jake paul is poking dana inthe chest about fighter pay.
John jones stepped up francisnagano, but back when I was

(01:01:12):
taking them to task over thisstuff in 01 and 06, nobody.
I was the only one chirpingabout it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So it'd be pretty scared to to.
Yeah.
No, rock the boat.
Nobody wants to be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah, yeah um, nobody wants to be the kurt flood.
I mean, what kurt flood did forbaseball is is exactly what
needs to happen.
They need these top echelonfighters to step up and be
willing to put their careers onthe line to force the companies
to do business differently you,uh, obviously, uh, uh, involved
with different leagues.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Obviously you've got your own, we just spoke about,
but then, uh, pfl is is big withyourself and, um, how long have
you been with pfl?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
seven years now seven years.
Yeah, they're a fledgling neworganization but they've
exploded.
Obviously we just absorbedbellator and the 215 fighters
that bellator had.
Surprisingly, they kept thatbrand intact and put that as the
umbrella and kind of thepay-per-view model over the top
of the global season where Iwork.
And then we've created theseregional feeder programs.
Uh, you know, pfo europe isjust finishing its second season

(01:02:14):
.
Pfo mina, which is middle eastand north africa, is just
finishing its first season.
You're going to see pfo,australfl Australia and PFL
Africa come online next year asthese feeder programs into the
global season and then theglobal season into the
pay-per-view model which isright now still Bellator and the
Bellator champs.
So obviously, francis justfighting in that big

(01:02:36):
championship against HenanFerreira, francis just fighting
in that big championship againstHenan Ferreira and that was our
first kind of real official bigpay-per-view Was an amazing
card and amazing fights.
I'm not sure how thepay-per-view did.
I suspect it probably didn't dothat well, unfortunately,
because I think we need it to dowell.
But at the end of the day,we're still experiencing some

(01:02:57):
growing pains.
This company has just grown sofast that keeping up with it and
doing things the right way andtaking care of the fighters the
right way, which is what theyset out to do.
They created a meritocracy.
It's not about talking smack orpublicity stunts.
It's about going in that cagein the global season and
certainly in the feeder programsand scoring criteria point, and
assuring that you get into thatplayoff and then that
championship at the end of eachone of those seasons.

(01:03:17):
And then, once you've elevatedinto that playoff and then that
championship at the end of eachone of those seasons, once
you've elevated yourself thatway and become a world champion
in a feeder program or a worldchampion at the global level,
now you move up into the champsversus champs and the
pay-per-view model at thehighest level.
That's how it's set up.
I love that global season, thatmeritocracy.
If you want to talk smack, talk, smack, but it that meritocracy
.
If you want to talk smack, talk, smack, but it's not going to

(01:03:38):
get you anywhere.
You still got to go up in thatcage and score points.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Back it up.
Yeah, you got to back it up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I've got a number of friends that fight for PFL
battle to overseas.
They love it.
They have an incrediblerelationship with you guys over
there.
They said that some of themhave come over from the UFC and
have found their new home.
They speak no names mentioned,but they truly said that they

(01:04:04):
feel like this is theorganization that they wish they
had in their books from thebeginning, because it's just a
different experience.
So I don't know what you guysare doing differently over there
, but seemingly it's we're doingour best, best again to create
that meritocracy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
It's all about how you fight.
It's not about all thisextraneous other stuff and
giving the fighters a voice andhow they're regulated.
You know we have a athletesadvisory board and me and ray
lewis are are on that board.
Now I wish that was more active.
They've created that, but wehaven't really used that.
But at least the fighters arehaving a say in how they're paid

(01:04:41):
and how they're regulated, inthe rules that are installed.
They want to bring elbows back,especially at that pay-per-view
level, at the highest level.
We're used to elbows.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Where did elbows go?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
We eliminated elbows just because we're asking these
fighters to turn around in theregular season every eight weeks
.
So the more cuts we caneliminate through elbowing, but
they're getting cut anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
That would take a lot out of your game, though.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, you look at Tito and so many others.
We made a living with thoseelbows, so I have sharp, bony
elbows, evidently.
You also gave guys nightmareswith those elbows, the athletes
want to see that rule and thattactic come back into the global
season, because they're gettingcuts anyway and they're still
able to make it to that nextfight in eight weeks.
So what did we reallyaccomplish by taking the elbows

(01:05:27):
out?
I think it was worth a try andwe're asking them to turn around
and fight again eight weekslater in the regular season and
then eight weeks after that fortheir playoff.
So I think we'll probably seethat rule change come back here
in this next season.
As we close out our finalscoming up in Riyadh on the 29th
on Black Friday for the globalseason, Some great matchups.

(01:05:50):
This new young gal from the UK,Dakota Ditcheva.
She won the PFL Europe firstseason at 125.
And she is just tearing peopleup.
Wow, Muay Thai world champ twotimes as a teenager and really
developed an amazing MMA game.
She's been fun to watch.
But a lot of great fights onthat final card coming up on the

(01:06:12):
29th in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yes, saudi seems like it's taking a lot of the big
fights now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Saudi is definitely taking over in sports in many
ways.
They have largest sovereignhedge fund in the world.
The PIF is $800 billion.
They realized that their gasisn't going to last forever.
Their oil isn't going to lastforever.
They need to create opportunity.
See what's going on in Qatar.
They see what's going on inDubai and they're the largest
population base in that region.
So they're the largestpopulation base in that region.

(01:06:44):
So they're like this new kingis like why are we taking a hind
seat, a back seat, to any ofthese other nations?
We should be building theseopportunities for our population
and our people.
Everything's changed there.
I was pleasantly surprised.
I've been over there four timesnow in the last year, year and
a half to close the mina deal,to go to the fury francis fight,
the champs versus champs.
I got to commentate that onebell.
When we bought bellator, we dida champs versus champs.
I got to commentate that one.
When we bought Bellator, we dida champs versus champs fight.
And now we just had the bigNagano fight over there.

(01:07:07):
And now I'm going back over forthe fifth time here at the end
of November.
So long trip, but amazing.
They treat us like kings,literally.
The food is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Everything the building hand over fist I mean
there's cranes all over riyadhand kadia.
The architecture itself, too,it's like, it's remarkable, it's
beautiful, right, it's reallyalmost sci-fi ish some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
It's really, really amazing what they're doing there
.
And women are now driving,women are now going to school,
women are now in the workforce.
The minister of sport for theentire country is a female.
Before 2016, she was doingunderground soccer Underground
and if they'd have caught her,they'd have probably stoned her
to death.
Now talk about cojones, right,true?

(01:07:50):
So this new king's like I'mmaking you the minister of sport
.
Wow, that's the kind ofbackbone that you have.
You're exactly who I needrunning sports.
Good for the king to have thatforward thinking too, and Turok
obviously is a huge boxing fanand a huge gamer.
He's taken over boxing in many,many ways.
A lot of these big boxingmatches are being funded and

(01:08:10):
taken by them.
That's why the Francis andTyson Fury fight was over there.
I must have saw every top boxerfor the last three decades at
that show.
It was a remarkable show,unbelievable.
The arena was state-of-the-art.
Everything they did there wasincredible.
Um, I spoke at a magnet schoolfor judo and taekwondo.
There were more girls on thosemats than there were boys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
So things have definitely progressed and
changing there significantly,which is great to see it's great
to see you, know, know, I'msure, from your, from your shoes
, from early days, to see thejust the progression of how many
females now are coming into thesport that, whatever martial
art level.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah Well, fastest growing sport in our country
right now in the U S is women'swrestling.
They're going to have their ownNCAA championship next year, in
2025.
For for women's wrestling.
There's over 38 collegiateprograms now for women in in
college wrestling, so that sporthas exploded at every level and
and we're seeing that acrossthe board on the international

(01:09:10):
stage, our women's wrestlers aredoing fantastic in the worlds
at the olympics.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Uh, it's been great talk about a feeder market for
becoming a fighter also.
Right, You're going to see aton of those girls transitioning
over At some point you'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Bella Meir Frank.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Meir's daughter who's ?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
wrestling for Iowa.
She will be stepping up in acage somewhere, using her
wrestling prowess and martialarts prowess to become a world
champion at some point.
I fully expect to see that,yeah she's a stud, my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
she's come to the gym with Frank a few times.
I won't say that she outliftedFrank, but she outlifted Frank,
which is no small feat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I was going to say Frank's hard to outlive man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
That dude is a Well, this is his daughter, so the
apple doesn't fall far from thetree.
Randy, it's been an absolutepleasure to have you here, truly
truly.
You are a legend and somebodythat you know.
I grew up watching.
Um, you know it's, it's a fullcircle moment for me and and
something I left out early inthe show we met for the first
time in columbus, ohio, for thehonor classic and, uh, we,

(01:10:10):
somehow, we kept on meetingthere every year and
surprisingly if I don't sayyou'll be shocked it was at the
bar upstairs at the hyatt, right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
yeah, we'd always see each other there, whether you
remember or not, but I wouldcome up introduce.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Don't say you'd be shocked.
It was at the bar upstairs atthe Hyatt right.
Yep, we'd always see each otherthere, whether you remember or
not.
But I would come up, introducemyself.
And you're an unbelievablechampions champion because you
give so much time to everybodyand I've seen so many people
just wait in to say something toyou and you were sitting on
your own which is crazy at thebar, on a high, high table, um,

(01:10:42):
just trying to have a drink orjust have a break from working
the expo, but you give everybodyyour time, man, and I sat back
and watched that from from afar,uh, until I became that guy
myself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I was like fuck it, I gotta do this too I was
literally just gonna say likethat is exactly how that's
exactly how he is unbelievable,bro.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
But but that's great for me to to see that in the
somewhat of my early part of mycareer, to see somebody that is
done everything in the ufcbecome the first of a champ,
champ, hall of fame, hall offame in the fitness industry too
.
You just won that, uh, theaward at the honor classic hall
of fame award.
Um, but it was incredible justto see how much time you took

(01:11:21):
with the fans, how engaging youwere, because there's many
people who don't have half theaccolades that you do and
they're kind of like hey, youknow, let me sign something.
No eye contact, but you giveeverybody your time, and that
was incredible for me to see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
I appreciate that.
I try to keep it simple.
I love people, people love you.
I try to keep it simple, I lovepeople.
People love you and the goldenrule is the golden rule for a
reason.
You treat people exactly howyou want to be treated.
It's a pretty simple thing.
We, as humans, tend tocomplicate the hell out of
everything, and it doesn't needto be complicated, but I try to
operate from that position ofhumility in everything that I do
.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Start with humility, act with humility, end with
humility.
You meet so many people thatyou know my motto is every
single person I meet is betterat something than I am, and if I
approach that person with anopen heart and an open mind, I
have a chance to learn from thatperson.
So I always try to start withhumility, act with humility and

(01:12:16):
with humility, and that puts mein a position to learn from
every single person I meet.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
What a great life statement, right there, right,
just treat everybody you want tobe treated yourself.
And suffice to say I've triedto do the same thing myself,
from the humble beginnings ofwhere I've come from to where I
am.
We all have them circle back,stories where people have met
you and may have become asuccess in themselves, and then
remember that first time theyspoke to you.
Whether you remember or not,but I'm sure you have many of

(01:12:41):
them stories, as do I.
But, um, it's good karma too,right, this?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
yeah, it's planting seeds and most of us don't
realize we're planting seeds andwe'll probably never see that
plant, that, whatever that seedwas we planted, grow.
Some of us will be long gonewhen that person achieves what
that seed was that you plantedin them, and I think that's the
way you have to look at it.
Do your best to plant thoseseeds, pay it forward, fill your

(01:13:07):
cup up and pour that cup out,give it to people so you can
fill it up again and give somemore.
I mean, that's how life'ssupposed to work, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Well, in wrapping up this podcast, when that day
comes for us all and we get putinto the ground, what is it that
you want people to to know andbe reminded about?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I think just exactly what we're talking about how you
treat people.
You know.
Spread love, be be uplifting.
High tide raises all ships allthe time though your ego.
That's our motto at the gym.
Leave your ego outside.
It's only going to get in theway.
Come in with an open heart andan open mind and treat people
the way you want to be treated.
It's not rocket science.

(01:13:50):
I try to represent the sportwith integrity.
It wasn't about creatingpersonas or any of that other
stuff.
I tried to keep it simple andbe myself.
I think, whether I won or lost,the fans stuck with me.
They they weren't fickle thatway with me and and I think they
appreciated that approach.
So I hope they still see thatin me and that's, you know.
That's.
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Well, rest assured, I don't think anybody has a a bad
word, and we spoke aboutbriefly earlier when we'd done a
little tour of the gym.
It's incredible to hear whatpeople say about you when you're
not in that room and suffice tosay you've done an incredible
job throughout your career andall the people that you've met

(01:14:32):
on the climb and all the peoplethat are around in retirement
that either know you from theExpendables or know you as the
MMA legend that you are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
But Rock, in wrapping up anything, no, just it's a
pleasure having you here today,randy, and also just to the
folks out there this Saturday,november 2nd, get out there and
go to some fights, have some fun, it's for a good cause.
Or donate XCGI Foundation.
Or donate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
XCGIFoundationorg is is the website.
That's the portal for any ofyou vets out there that need
some assistance, need some help.
We can get you in touch withcounselors, help deal with some
of those wounds that are on theinside that are a lot not so
visible.
Uh, we can help pay off some ofthose bills that are nagging at
you and causing some stress inyour life.
So come see us, come supportthe cause.

(01:15:22):
If you want to support ourveteran community, come to the
fights on Saturday, get in, youknow, buy a piece of art at the
auction, come watch some greatamateur fighters get down and
show their abilities and, at thesame time, support our veteran
community.
So I appreciate you guys havingme on and allowing me to
promote that and what we'redoing and and to talk about all
this.
Man, it's great, and I love thelayer.

(01:15:43):
The layer is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Well, this is your home from home.
If I want to convert you intothe body, this guy is Benjamin
button You're.
This guy could be seen on thefucking Mr Olympia stage.
He only needs like a couple ofweeks of boxing done him well, a

(01:16:05):
couple of weeks of bodybuildingwe'll get him back on the
olympia stage.
But that all said, my friend,it's uh, uh, incredible.
As I said, well wishes toeverything you're doing and the
legacy that continues to grow,and we will be supporting all
the causes, including thissaturday, and all the future
ones that are going to behappening this year and next
year.
So this is Flex, it's Rock, andthis is Randy, the natural
couture.
We are out.

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