425: The Jey Uso Polarization

Jey Uso's rise to become a WrestleMania main eventer started a long time ago. It seems a lot of people - mostly online - are forgetting that.This week, Jason Fanelli joins us to discuss the arc of Jey Uso - which began in 2020 - and why he suddenly has some loud detractors after winning the 2025 Royal Rumble.--Follow us!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shooterspod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@_piccone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@VaughnMJohnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@ShootersRadio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Instagram: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Threads: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@picconenick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vaughnjohnson166⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Bluesky: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@piccone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vaughnjohnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Facebook: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Straight Shooters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Exclusive Patreon content: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
What ens up everyone out there and internet land, and
welcome to episode four twenty five of the Straight Shooters
available wherever podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan Johnson,
and I'm joined as always by my main man, Pots
and Pans, Nipplecona Fox, phl The Gambler and Philly Influencer,
and a special guest. This evening, we're also joined by

(00:34):
big Man Jason Finelli. Jason, how are you on this
lovely Thursday evening?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm doing alright. I honestly, the Phillies are want to know,
even though we've all lost about a year of our
lives just watching the opening day game. I'm looking forward
to this season, but I'm not for like my stress
level like I'm trying to. I'm trying to lower my
blod pressure. And this just based on game one. This
team is going to be a chore to watch. But

(01:03):
I'm excited to do so. But it's going to be
a chore.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
One hundred and sixty one more games ago.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I know, Jesus Mary, but yeah, I'm doing good,
feeling good. It's still doing my freelance video game journalism thing,
Catch Be a Game Spot and Rolling Stone once in
a while and a couple other places. Some weird sports
and video game interjection this week. I don't know if
you're familiar with the Fatal Fury franchise, old fighting game

(01:30):
from sn K. They have a new game coming out
for the first time in twenty six years. Fatal Fury
City of the Wolves comes out next month, and they
announced yesterday or today, yesterday, yesterday, excuse me that the
last playable character on the roster is Christiano Ronaldo.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Styes.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
So the reason for this is people own s n
K now are very much involved in the Saudi Arabian government,
and I'm thinking they pulled strings to say, hey, we
want now now. Fatal Furious is very big in Latin America,
so there is a explainable reason for it. But we
all know what's really going on. Just very weird, very

(02:16):
weird times in general, very weird times. But I am
good to answer your question. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Also, banmar Jarrard might be in Tony Hawk's video game again.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
He fought for him, Tony fought for him to be
in three and four and he's it sounds like he's
looking out for a buddy, like trying to give him
something to do. So he's not twiddling his thumbs or
getting in trouble, and I respect that, but like, why
why are you gonna do that? Like why would you
bring that controversy onto yourself? I don't know. Not my game.

(02:46):
I'll play it when it comes out. But yeah, it's interesting, interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Times, interesting times indeed, But we got an interesting show
ahead of us here on episode four twenty five. It
is a discussion, but a deep dive into a topic,
and that topic is pretty much Jay Usa and how
people have kind of turned on him. Not him turning
on the fans like John Cena, but no, the fans

(03:10):
have turned on him, and we got to talk all
about it here on this episode of The Stray Shooters.
But before we do, I gotta do my weekly check
on my man man pots and pants.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Nick.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
How are you after Phillies opening day?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Win?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
My good brother?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
The Flyers are anti Italian? Eh, Oh my goodness? What
that has? Oh my goodness, they're up three to one?
What the hell is going on today?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Ewing theory, Twitorella theory, get rid of the coach and
all of a sudden they're great.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right, just for today, I guess. But it's funny because
it's against the Canadians who own us. But uh yeah,
I'm just I was kind of surprised that, you know,
we had that news today and I was like, they're
trying to steal the Phillies thunder how dare then? But yeah, yeah,
I mean like I guess there's nowhere to go but
up right.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah. I feel like we've said that before war too.
When it comes to the Flyers, I wish they would
start going up and not you know, nowhere to go
about it.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, it Phillies do want to know? And uh I
got I got my VIDs out, you know, before we
were able to hop on this. So I rewatched the
Hell the Cell match from Jus and Roman Reigns the
I quit Hell of Cell match. I forgot about that.
Like man, I think that match was really really good.

(04:26):
I think we forget how good it was. So I'm
like to talk about we just we just just like
live commentate that that'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
We should we should do something like la Jayson, do
you have something in the background like buzzing?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Oh yeah, my heater Ah did get about that. Unfortunately,
I podcast in the basement. But that's that's it's my
it's my HVAC system. I don't know if it's the heat.
I don't know if it's the air feels always feels
the same in the basement, but it's the system. Yeah,
it may you may hear that behind me. It does
sound like I'm in an airline term we're on the runway.

(05:02):
But yeah, it's just my my, my system going on.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Sorry, no, you're good, you're good, but.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
No, no, we're not attack.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's good to know. That's good to know. But let's
talk about let's start it off, man, let's kind of
dive in to what feels like the people versus Juso,
because it felt like it wasn't that long ago where
everybody loved ja Uso and everybody was advocating for him,
going back to twenty twenty when he was the right
hand man with Roman reigns, even through twenty twenty four

(05:35):
when he had big entrances overseas and everybody's like, man,
look at how over Jay Luso is. Now, wow, look
at him? And then something happened. I don't know what
I think. I mean, I think I know what, but
I want to go to you, Nick, what do you
think about how people feel about j Usa? Which is

(05:57):
pretty much that they don't want him in the main
event spot or in the World Championship match at WrestleMania,
and how all of a sudden, to a lot of
fans he sucks, which is kind of wild.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
But yeah, I think it's because nobody expected him to
win the Royal Rumble, so when he did, that was
the catalyst for everyone. Just like now I'm over Jay.
I'm over Jay because I picked and win the Royal
Rubble and I think that really pushed a lot of
people into this because then he's under the microscope even more.

(06:29):
And also he lost a World Heavyweight Championship match the
week before, and I do think that played a part
in it too. It's like, well like what, like why
even do that match then, at least that close to
the Royal Rumble. So yeah, I think that. I don't
think fans were turning on him as much as they

(06:50):
did after the Rumble. Like I feel like after the Rumble,
it's like, Okay, we're against this guy. You know.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Keep question is what changed.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
The WrestleMania booking, you know, that's all. That's all. I think,
Like everyone had their dream matches heading into WrestleMania in Vegas,
and when it was clear that that wasn't going to happen.
By the way, I blamed the Rock for all that. Uh,
they were like they were out because they don't want it.
They decided if cmpunk wasn't going to be in a
championship match, if Roman Reigns wasn't going to be in

(07:23):
a championship match, then it wasn't worth it. So why
the hell's Jay in a championship match?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Uh? I feel you on that. I feel like then
their anger should not be guided at jay Uso then,
But I would make that point later on Jason, how
are you feeling about this whole I don't know what
to call it movement. It's like the anti kofy Mania
and the anti Yes movement. It's like we want them

(07:52):
to to be in the wrestle.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
It's the Nay Uso right.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think, you know what, I don't think I could
be on this pot can't say after that one. Sorry, guys,
Nay what are you a horse? But yeah, yeah, I
get again. I I think people are just you know,
here's what, you know what. I think I think people
needed a Sena. They needed a two thousand and five,

(08:19):
two thousand and six, Sena and Cody was almost there,
but then you know, there's always that little bit of
Cody that you just can't help. But like so it
wasn't fully the same thing where he's super over with
the kids and selling merch like crazy. But all the
old kerrmudgeons, the old wrestling fans who have been squatting

(08:40):
in pro wrestling fandom for years needed someone to to
to earn their ire, And as soon as jay Uso
pushes John Cena, of all people off of that apron,
they found their guy. And now they're like, yeah, we
have our person that we can irrationally hate for no reason.
Then let's go. It's about time.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
It was like a heat transfer. It's like went from
Sena to jay Usa. It's like a demon like possessed
Sena and then now it is cursed dousa.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like passing of a literal torch. Yes, that kind of heat.
I personally am not as invested in hating this guy
because for two reasons. One, I am a huge fan
no matter who it is, when it is of someone
who's been grinding for years to finally get their time

(09:33):
in the sun. Now, granted, if you go back to
twenty twenty, which we're going to do later on. Thanks
to this timeline that Nick provided, his time in the
sun has been a while. He's been doing this for
a bit, but now I think we are on the
cusp of his first ever top of the card main

(09:54):
title win. And this is a guy who debuted in
WWE in what twenty twelve, thirteen something like that, maybe
even earlier than that. So I am of the belief
that Sean Usso, as opposed to Jimmy's Marty Uso, deserves this.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I think he deserves this. I'm gonna enjoy watching it.
It helps that I have a eight year old soon
to be nine year old daughter who is a big
fan of Yeet bought his glasses and we went to
rawl at October. I told her that we were going
to be talking about this, and she said, why don't
people like him? He won the Royal Rumble, that's the

(10:34):
hardest match to win. People need to shut up. And
I'm like, well, I can't beat that. That's expert analysis
right there from the people that Jay Uso is trying
to win over. Honestly, I don't think I am in
a place to have an opinion because he's not targeted
at me, So I'm going to enjoy the ride when

(10:54):
he inevitably beats Gunter on night one and then goes
to his scheduled appearance at the after dark party where
he's already been scheduled for the night after night one.
You know, he's bringing the belt with him. Just just
get used to it. It's happening then, you know, we'll
see how the crowd reacts from there. I fully expect
two thousand and five seen it.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's funny that you mentioned your daughter, and it's I
mentioned this in the podcast. I think not long after
SmackDown was here in Philly and now I was in
the Raising Canes before SmackDown, and I saw a perfect
nuclear family, father, mother, son, daughter. Each and every one

(11:37):
of them had ja USA merchandise on all oh hoodie
and I think one of them might have had a
hat or a glass or something like that, but they
all had matching hoodies. So it's like, oh, well, I
guess who I know who they like? The whole fam
got hoodies, know them hoodies.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Ain't cheap, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
And if you go to these shows, which we've been
to a couple here and there. Over the last couple
of years, since j Usso has become the Yeat guy,
pretty much there's yet merchandise everywhere. They're selling city specific
ja User merchandise. You know why, because people buy it.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I don't mean to interrupt you, but I am one
of those people. I bought the Flyers Yeat shirt in October.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
As you should, Jayson. Don't feel bad about it. Don't
be ashamed of how you spent your money, okay, because
you know why, because it felt something for you, felt
something you connected with you, and it had a Flyer's
logo on or too. You can wear it the Flyers
games too. It's multipurpose. So look at that. It's like
two shirts in one. That's right, we're from multiple occasions.

(12:48):
Of course, you can wear any other time he went
to as well. But the point is is that, yeah,
you said he's not catered to adults. You know what
else is not necessarily catered to adults when you really
think of about it, when you really zoom out ten
thousand you know what they called it, that tie up view,
I forget what they call it, top down or something
like that. You really zoom out. You know what else

(13:11):
isn't catered to adults. Pro wrestling as a whole. Okay,
think about when we all kind of fell in love
with wrestling. Most there's a lot of people who like
wrestling as adults. I would assume. This is my assumption.
This is just me. There's no scientific data behind it.
The majority of them became fans when they were children.

(13:36):
You don't find a whole bunch of people who became
wrestling fans. Not to say there aren't any, but you
probably won't find a lot who became fans as adults
in the twenties and thirties. Most people I talk to
who either do watch wrestling, or even if they don't anymore,
they say, yeah, I used to watch it all the
time when I was a kid. So I'm not saying

(13:59):
you should think like a child. I'm thinking, like, think
about what made you like this as a kid. It
wasn't five star matches, It wasn't anybody's star ratings or
what you think in your mind or the zeitgeist might
think is a top flight main event wrestler. At the

(14:19):
end of the day, this is all subjective. There's no
metric that you can point to say, jay Usu isn't
a good wrestler because it doesn't exist. Or if you
want to point to something, you can show how much
merchandise he's selling. What is maybe his quarter hours are
doing on ratings or maybe how many tickets are sold,
which you can't just put that all on him. You know,

(14:41):
that's a collective I think. But still I think you
can probably point quarter hours as far as ratings, and
of course the merchandise sells, but there's no other quantitive measures.
Und like he's Russell Wilson, and you can look at
Russell Wilson's stats from like twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen
and to look at what he did in twenty twenty
four and be like, he's not as good as he
used to You can just look at us. You can

(15:02):
look at his yards completion percentage QBR, yards per attempt,
yards per completion, air yards, all that stuff and come
up with an opinion and informed opinion to say he's
not as good as he used to be. Point to
where you can say that about Jay Usa. He's the
same wrestler. He might have made a mistake here and there,

(15:25):
and they were making it a storyline by the way,
which speaking of storylines. Let's talk about the storyline that
he's in, which up until Mondays honestly, but the story
up until Monday wasn't good honestly. So to me, your

(15:45):
anger is misguided. It should be at WW for not
keeping you engaged. That's when it comes to j Usu
and Gunta. The thing is that he wonted to rumble
February first. They had WrestleMania over two months after that,
and we said that when he first won, what are
they going to do for all this time? I think
a lot of time to feel and they.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Haven't really When he made his choice the week after, like,
it wasn't even like a few weeks spilled to who's
he gonna choose? It was literally the week after.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right right away. So I so blame WW for that.
Don't blame jus What even Gunta. They're not giving you
an engaging story. You know, when people like j User
the most, when the story was engaging, when he was
the right hand man, when he was a member of
the bloodline, always angry, especially at Sammy's ain. When the

(16:37):
story was really good, everybody liked Jusa. You didn't care
about how good or bad of a wrestler he was.
He's the same wrestler, cared about the story and how
it grabbed you as a viewer, and that's like my
whole thing. It's just like what made you like him
to begin with, what has changed? And it just goes

(17:02):
back to the point of like what Brian Danielson said
in his promo, many years are going to SmackDown. Fans
are fickle, all of us. We were very fickle. We
will take something and champion it like this is the
thing we want, until it's not exactly the way we
want and then we're just completely one eighty on it

(17:24):
at the drop of a dime. It doesn't make any sense.
And it's based on what exactly, what can you point
to something that you think should do It should be
the way it looks. You don't even know. We don't
even we don't know this. We don't know how to
do wrestling. The guys, I'm sorry, we watch a lot
of it, but based on what we think, we know

(17:46):
he's not good all of a sudden, But he was
the same guy just a year ago. Now. I may
have my opinion about whether his matches are good or
bad or whatever, but that don't mean he shouldn't be
in a spot because, like Jason said, he's earned it.
We used to be so upset about guys who will
get over with the fans and they wouldn't get pushed.
How many guys we can go to Zach Ryder, we
can go to Russev, we can go to any number

(18:08):
of guys who kind of organically got over but just
never got the chance to capitalize on that, at least
in a timely fashion. Sometimes it would happen but be
far too late and people have already moved on. But
here's wwe who have built up this guy for at
least five years, we can talk about like Jason said,
he's been in the Ramaine rosters for over a decade,
but for the last five years they have made him

(18:30):
a distinct give him his own distinct characteristics and his
own distinct personality, and he's blossomed because of it. So, No,
he's probably not gonna have a five star, six star
or seven star match you want him to have. That's
not his deal. It's not his deal, baby, Like I'm sorry,

(18:50):
but he's gonna sell a lot of merchandise and at
the end, at the end of the day, WW is
a bottom line company. And that's the case now more
than ever. You think it was bottom line and profit
you know, uh, leaning before, it's a different day now
even more, that's even more so the case. And they
c j Usso says, he's he's, he's you know, he's

(19:16):
grabbed the people. He's got him and they're putting their
money with their mouth. Is that paying for his merch? Oh,
we got to push him. He got the people in
the palm of his hand. So that's that's my thing.
I don't understand where this is coming from or anything
like that, but Nikolae.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
He you know, you had a person carry the company
for over a decade whose matches were routinely not that entertaining.
And it's the same guy who people wanted to win
the world to rumble to go on to wrestle at
which he's doing anyway, to go after a seventeenth world title.
John Cena's matches were routinely bad. He had maybe one

(19:57):
really really good match and that's only because people wanted
him to lose, where the fans got really really invested
into it. So that's what you kind of lose me
when it's like you were literally so you turn against
jay Uso when he's literally doing the same thing someone
like John Cena dude starting in two thousand and five. Obviously,

(20:19):
jay and needs to win the title first, but you know,
he won the Intercontinental title. So it's not only this
history he has with Roman and the blood line to
where we got behind him so long ago, even when
he hated Sammy's Ain, we were like behind him is like,
oh if you could just see what Roman's doing to you, man,
and that connection we had with Jay it just it's

(20:46):
not like it suddenly disappeared just because he went to
raw and was opposite of the blood line and just
doing this all this heat stuff. People think it's a
whole new character. I don't buy into that. It's the
same jay Uso that we saw five years or almost
five years ago. Now this is jay Uso becoming jay

(21:08):
Uso on his own. And not only does he have
that history with Roman and the bloodline, he's got that
history with Gunther. I don't think they're leading into that
as much as they should. But that whole ic title
thing was, you know with Gunther and like they had
this feud in the mid card and then now they're

(21:30):
having the main event for the world titles. So I
think they could lean more into that of like their
past and stuff like that. I don't exactly know what
they would do what I'm saying, like, I just feel
like I totally forgot that that was like a when
Jay held the Inner Continent is tittle. I just for
some reason forgot he beat Gunther, Like I just you know,

(21:52):
because of so well he lost to gun Thro them,
so Gunther beat him, but they had like an Icy
title feud.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Remember, I know, I know jayus O beat and he
might have beaten Guther, might have beaten Jay Juso for
the Icy title too, because he'd be a lot of
people defending the Icy title. But Jauso beat Bron Breaker
for the title, right.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, bron was the champ at that point.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes, I think that's where a lot of this comes from.
It's the Guther has already beaten Jay us So twice cleanly,
so what are we gonna do?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I think the Charms story.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, that Jimmy came back and cost Jay the Intercondental
title against gun Thro the WrestleMania match. So that's what
I was thinking about a little back further than what
I remember but that was really just to set up
the Jimmy and j match, which Jimmy was like gone
for a while. Uh, but then he comes back and

(22:52):
casts Jay the match against Gunther. But you know they
still had that. I don't know necessarily how long that
if they were going bar trade and barbes on the
mic back and forth too much at that point. But
I mean it was just a year ago. But I
remember like Jay and Gunther just having like a history,

(23:16):
So maybe I'm overestimating that. Perhaps I did think the
hastily thrown together World Title match a Saturday Night's main
event was weird. There were two weeks two weeks build.
I mean, that's not enough, and now it's like they
have too much time to build to their next match,

(23:37):
which is like, come on, like what's going on here?
And I think, when again, you fans are fickle right
when they don't have like that directs like okay, I
could see this, like you need to put it in
front of me and plane black and white, tell me
what I'm looking for and then I'll decide whether I

(23:57):
look like it or not. They just haven't done that.
Jay loses the Gunther and then all of a sudden
he wins the Roy Rumble. Once Jay loses the gun Through,
people are like, Okay, Jay's not like gonna be like
main event material or world title material at least in
this WrestleMania season. Right, So when he wins the Raw Rumble,
people are mad because, again I said before, they didn't

(24:19):
pick him because he had just lost the week prior
in a world title match. They don't buy that he's
gonna face anyone except Gunther when he does win, like
Jay versus Cody. While I would have loved to see
how they would manage that, I don't think anyone truly
believed that was a possibility. So when he won, it
was like, oh, we got Jay worth this gun Through again,

(24:41):
like what the hell? And it just kind of let
the wind out of their sales, which I don't think
is fair.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
That's your fault.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I know. I'm sorry, bro, Because again it was either Punk,
Sina or Roman. It was like the top three. I
think I'd have no basis of this. I don't have
stats in front to me, but I felt like those
were the most picked people to win that rumble, And
when it could have been Seth Rollins, I think people

(25:08):
would have reacted the same way but not you know,
like you couldn't really turn on Seth's character because he's
doing so well. For some reason, Jay's an easy target
and I still am trying to wrap my head around why, like,
why is it okay to just suddenly turn on him

(25:28):
when he hasn't given you like a reason. Is it
because he super kicks a lot? You know a lot
of people don't like them.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know who else superkt The Young Bucks? And everybody
loves the Young Bucks. Well, not me, but i'd a
lot of these same fans who are like, I need
to see five six star matches. Yeah, hand out all
the stars to the Young Bucks. I'm not knocking a
Young Bucks. I'm not knocking anybody who do superceros. I'm
just saying we can't move go posts to certain people.

(25:57):
If you don't like super kicks, then you must hate
aw if you don't.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Like sick again and then they look at they don't
pay attention to any of Jay's good matches. He had
a stretch after WrestleMania last year that was really good.
They paid They look at that WrestleMania match and be like, oh,
the biggest stage of the ball. He crapped the bed
with his brother and I was like, okay, but are
you really going to blame Jay more than fifty for that?
And I guess they have it feels like yeah, to make.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Any sense, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense because I
I personally, if I go back to that match, whoever
decided it should just be a superkick party not to
keep the young Bucks references going should be, you know,
reprimanded for booking the match rule That match could have
been much more interesting than what it turned out to be.
It was the most disappointing match of the of the weekend, sure,

(26:45):
but that none of that should be like, oh, he's
done one and done, sorry, Like give the dude a chance.
I think that this match, I think that Gunther and
jus So worked very well together. I think has the
possibility to be a very good match. I don't know
if it's gonna be like a steal the show type
of match. Well, I can't really make that distinction until
the whole card comes out, but I'll tell you what,

(27:08):
it will be a hell of a night one opener right,
absolutely start the crowd off hot with with a title change.
Those two beat the crap out of each other for
twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I'm gonna be like, see this is j camp main
event that you get that look.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
They can say it all they want. If I'm jay Usso,
count that money straight to the bank, baby, Like, we're
not worried about where we go in the car. I
got the world title. Like how many people thought he
was a.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Chance when he's opening with.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Bro Like, this is not WrestleMania where world title matches
have been opening matches have been the opener of the show.
Triple has opened the show. Brian Danielson has opened the show.
It's okay if they open like you said. Brock Lesli
has opened the show. It's okay if he opens the show.
It's a hot crowd, it's a hot start. You start
the show with Jay us So because he warms them

(28:01):
up and he wins the title and people are invested
and you got a title change in the first match.
If they do this, I would be on board with it.
I would be on board with it.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I agree one hundred percent. And it's I honestly think
it has a lot to do with like the older
folks not being down with the yeat, like not knowing
what the kids are saying. So there's a little bit
of mortality going on as well.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You can see that he's trying to be young and hip.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I don't want that. I want the old Curmudgeons. But
then when the old Curmudgeons come back, they're like, no,
I want them. I want them to push do talent.
It's just wrestling fans are fact. Yeah right, oh yeah, right,
I love that. That's my favorite. I I think it's
just a lot of it's overblown. I think it's very hasty.

(28:48):
I think it's now. I having said that, I would
not be surprised if after the title reign is over
we look back at it and it was like, that
could have been better. He definitely you mentioned Kofi Kingston earlier.
It definitely seems like a Kofe Kingston style champion in

(29:09):
that regard where it won't quite the rain, won't quite
live up to the hype.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
But Theo's was pretty good. It what I mean, his
reign was really good because all things considered until the end.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Obviously, we even did a show on his reign that
people were souring on his reign and we're just.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I forgot about that. Oh my god, see that
I'm talking about the fickleness of fans all this Kofe
mania and then turned around and turned on Kobe before
he lost. And I'm sorry, Jason, this is the problem
though the same problem exists. Is this it back then
in twenty nineteen as it exists today. Don't blame the
person who's playing the character. They have not changed. It's

(29:47):
the booking. It's the story you're not that's what you're
mad at.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's what you're mad at. Yeah, that's definitely.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I can't tell me what they're mad I feel bad
telling people what they're mad at, but I feel like
I feel like it's misguided in some way. Like, No,
the the real problem is the booking. Is the storytelling.
That's the real problem.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like to me, I'm with you on that. I think, uh,
I think if you go back to the Kofe uh
parallel again, remember that one of the finishes, I think
it might have even been SummerSlam, was Kofe getting disqualified
because he was so mad at Randy Orton for messing
with his kid, and that people were people were just
like that's a little like weird, like end of title match, definitively,

(30:28):
but again it's a Coffey's fault. They blame kof and
they're saying it was Kofy's Koffee's reign is bad. No,
it's the booking that's bad. I'm with you on that.
I don't know. It's a very fascinating conversation, though, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
I think what would really help? And I don't know
how this would affect Roman's you know, current angle with
Seth and Punk, But I'm really not into it. And
I think if you had Roman approach Jay and just
to go over their history together and basically just have

(31:03):
Roman say I'm proud of you, and you know, taken
Home could do wonders for Jay. With the detractors, I
should say, like, I would love that, just simply because
I'm thinking all the way back to twenty twenty when
this started with Jay, Jimmy was hurt, so Jay finds

(31:23):
himself in singles competition. I would have never guessed in
that moment four and a half years ago that Jay
Uso would be main eventing winning a Royal Rubble and
main eventing WrestleMania for a world title. And just I
think people are forgetting the ground swell that started from

(31:44):
back then, and I never have I know we never
have on this podcast. We talked before, we had Mark
Henry Junior on before, who's just not a Jay USO guy,
And we trying to kind of hammer home that people
like what people aren't behind Jay because of yeats, they're
behind Jay And you know, obviously the kids might be

(32:06):
now that weren't there five years ago. But the reason,
you know, I guess I could go back to why
did I start liking HAULK Hogan? Just because he was
this bright, like bigger than life, larger than life character,
wearing yellow and red that literally popped off the screen,

(32:27):
ripping his shirt off, wearing bandana and stuff like that,
obviously the ultimate warrior dress and all that, Like why
did I start liking them? The first of all, the
crowd was going crazy for him, and second of all,
they were like kicking ass. So you know Jay in
a similar aspect, like he started kicking ass after leaving
the bloodline. You know when he went the raw, he

(32:48):
was just kind of like gaining more and more esteem.
And I don't think any of us could have predicted
just how popular he would become. The crowd entrance just
like incredible, what was it? The backlash entrance last year
that really yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
People, it was all over that. Oh my god, this
is so great. Look at how over jay Uso is.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Right, that was I think that was like the point
of where I was like, oh, oh, this is like real,
you know, it's not just the fickleness of the fans.
But no, Jay's like a real over guy. And of
course now we find ourselves here. It's just kind of
crazy to think about. But Jay first of all denying

(33:31):
Roman as like a tribal chief and then just accepting
his fate into Romans you know, not bloodline, but because
they weren't technically the blood line untill like middle of
twenty twenty one, but just like, okay, he had to
follow Roman now and it's like, oh, Jay, it could
be so much more. And for a few years it

(33:52):
was just he was just behind Roman. And but Roman
would talk to Jay in a way that he never
talked to Jimmy, the way he never talked to anyone else.
So a lot of people were like, oh, Jay's going
to be the guy to beat Roman. Eventually. By the way,
Jay's the first guy to pin Roman in years. Also
money in the bank.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, And also people were like saying, like maybe Jay
whoso is the guy to beat Romans?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, that was that.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
There was that definitely happening on social on podcast for
months up until WrestleMania forty.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
And that was right u up because Cody lost and
everyone's like, okay, well they're not going to do Cody
Roman again next year, so right, you know, this is
a guy.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
It makes perfect sense. It started with him, it ends
with him.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
They put him in there.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Maybe Juso beats him at Summer Slam.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yes, that was absolutely absolutely people were predicting him to
be Roman. And then obviously we got the Jimmy thing
and we're just like, what the hell is this about?
And then Jimmy's like, I don't know what you turned into.
I don't want you to turn into the way Roman
is and blah blah blah. It's like, oh man, that
kind of sucks because I wanted to Jay. I bought myself,

(35:01):
Like by I bought Jay winning. I was like, Okay,
I could I could buy this even if Roman beats
him down the road again. But like, I feel like
this has all been set up for Jay and I
wasn't the only one thinking that.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
To your point about Roman reigns, it's like him endorsing
him essentially. Yeah, and like you said, it brings it
full circle. That's that's the way they should do it.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
If he's already said he was proud of him, right,
I think I was, like, I don't know, abound war
games maybe, but like that was so like hastily thrown
together too that I think people don't like how quickly
that happened. So they're kind but they're deciding to ignore
it just because they like they like like blub line
versus blood lines war games. You know, I'll they're back

(35:49):
together or whatever. I don't think they're giving it the
proper look that Roman accepted Jay. Jay is the one
who made them demand that whole whole team. I'll put
them if Roman treason like equals. Jay's the one that
really how to make Roman acquiesce, so to speak. And

(36:10):
people just kind of overlook that too.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah. I think there is a good idea in like
Jay us so getting ready to come out through the
crowd and do his yeats and he does his little
monologue like in front of the camera like he's done before,
and all of a sudden he stops, right, he stops
and he looks to his right. He looks to his
left and Roman is there, and Roman, you know, gives
a speech about how he's you know, he can't believe

(36:36):
his little ooze is going out to win for a
world title. He's really proud of him and he who
he doesn't And if Roman does the yeat too, that
crowd will.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Lose the modest absolutely because he's done no yeats up
until this point that he's not done it.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
If that's where he saves his first yeat, as Jay's
coming out as like, I am blessing you, I acknowledge
you as what you are now, yeah I could, I
could definitely see the power in that.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
And maybe and maybe even Roman remains passed along the
tribal chief title to Jay. I mean a thing that.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Could be a thing.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I don't don't count it out.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, don't rule it out. He fought too hard for that.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Or or they fight each other over and Jay who
beats him for it? Maybe you know, maybe I don't know.
I don't know, man, I mean I don't know things.
Things A while Johnsen is a heel, can't rule anything out,
can't rule anything out.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
So Roman did say yeat, but he didn't. I don't
think he's done. The hand is.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
The hand thing, the arms thing? That is that called
Michael Cole. No, it's just putting your hands up and
down to the beat we're giving. Michael Cole can't quite
Michael Cole can't quite get it right.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Michael Cole maybe the whitest human being on planet Earth,
between the croud of it and its inability to hit
the rhythm, to his the way that he dances on
top of the desk, to the way he tries to
sound cool by saying the rappers' names every time they
show him on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
God, it's n Eli Choppa.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It's very good.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, it's And he can never get to dap quite
right neither when he taps them up.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
You know, he would have a hell of a call
win the world time.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Sure, will man, And I don't know if the kind
of crowd will be in Vegas. I mean, it could
be just a happy crowd. But sometimes you find some
some hardcore fans at WrestleMania sometimes who turn on certain things,
who have different reactions in what you typically see outside
of WrestleMania. So I'm still curious that the reaction he's
going to get. But people like the entrance so much

(38:54):
it may not matter when you're there. You just want
to be a part of the fun. And I think
when you're watching at home, you're not a part of
the fund, so it's easier for you to be more critical.
But when you're in the building, and that's a that's
a big factor for WW If you're in the building,
they look like they're having a blast. Every time he
makes his entrance. Everybody is into on it, and even

(39:15):
the announcers are trying to get in on it. They
give him rappers, they give them not just rappers. We're
talking Travis Travis Scott, who's not like, look, it's not
my favorite rapper, but like he's a lot of people's
favorite rapper. He's a lot of other people's favorite rapper.
He's huge on all the streaming platforms and all that.
Like he's his mainstream as it gets as far as rappers,

(39:35):
you don't put a guy next to Travis Scott unless
you think that Travis Scott might like him, you know,
like might want to be seen with him. If they're
okay with being seen next to Jays He's locked in.
Don't worry. You may not agree with it as a
wrestling fan because he's not gonna put on your your
five star six star classics, which I'm not saying that
I don't want to see. Of course, I want to

(39:57):
see everybody, you know, be capable of that, but like
it's not necessary. We watched years of Stone called Steve
Austin and he had how many fops are matches in
that time? One with Brett Hart that I'll give him
to Bret Hart match, that's it. But his matches with
the Rock, those are want the best matches I've ever

(40:17):
seen ever. But I'll be damn with those stadiums wasn't
full and people didn't love them. Some Steve Austin and
some of the Rock, I don't know, man, it's like Juvie's.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
What That might be part of it too. That might
be part of it. This that these you know, pure
wrestling fans or whatever the hell they want to call
themselves want wrestling and Jay Usso at the moment, I
think this may be a hot take, but I think
you'll agree with me when I say it is the
current embodiment of sports entertainment.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's fair. He agreed behind it all.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
No, I mean, yeah, either doing it this summer. But
what I'm saying is his appeal is either just as much,
if not a little more, the way he presents himself
than it is the way he wrestles.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
That's fair. I think that's so think.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
About it like this. Will Ospray at the moment, in
my opinion, is the embodiment of professional wrestling, great wrestling,
great wrestler. But he still has he has the the
I don't want to take away from his entrance or
his presentation.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
He's great merch too. I love his soccer Jersey's a
soccer kid merchant.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
That assassin's creed jacket. I almost jumped. I'm not gonna lie,
but but like he is the embodiment of what professional
wrestling is right now, and I don't think anybody would
disagreement with me on that. On the other end of
the spectrum, if I have to pick somebody to be
the WWE template for what sports entertainment is good enough

(41:50):
in the ring, but also very very very entertaining and
marketaging and markeaging, it's jay Usa and that and that,
I think is where a lot of this decision is
coming from. And maybe that's a part of the reason
for some of the I R too. It's transparent. People
can see that. This is why it's happening. Not to
say that he didn't earn it. I think he earned it.

(42:12):
I'm talking about the more cynical Curmudgey fans that everybody
has one of them that are in their group text.
They're just like, I don't want him to be yeating
all over WrestleMania because it's like, it's just shut up.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Hey, hey, hey, it's not real. That's another thing I
think people forget this is entertainment. As much as we
like wrestling, we don't like to hear the term, oh
spots entertainment. Wrestling fans bow it. That's because we want
to live in our own little world where we pretend
that this is real. But in reality, it's entertainment. Bro,
I'm sorry, it is just entertainment. It's like movies and

(42:48):
TV shows, all right. Those are scripted TV and things
that people have lines. They play a part, all right,
They play a role. And sometimes it isn't always the
most talented actor, most talented musician that gets the part.
It's a person who's the most marketable. Sometimes. Look, it'd
be great if these forms of art, because that's what

(43:09):
kind of wrestling pretty much is it's a sport in
art hybrid. It'd be nice if these forms of art
you can judged. There you go, it's a smart but
it'd be nice if you could provide a way for
the most talented people to get to the top of
the profession in the industry every time. But we know
that's not the case because he's the subjective industries, and

(43:31):
sometimes it isn't always about the talent. It's about how
hard people work. It's about the professionalism. You might think,
why they're so talented, why aren't they in a better
position because they show up late to everything, They're not reliable,
you know, like they're bad in interviews, all these other
things that may play a part in that. When you
look at sports, I think a lot of people try
to make wrestling a pure sport. But there are metrics.

(43:54):
There are numbers you can go by that can tell you, oh,
homeboy is averaging twenty four a game every time he plays,
then that means he should play. If the other guys
averaged nine points a game. In between the two, the
guy who's averaging twenty four, guy's averaging nine, who should
we play? You're probably gonna play the guy who averaged
twenty four. But it also depends on the role and

(44:16):
the fit and the team and the scheme and all
everything else. But at least you got at least one metric.
Do you look at and be like, Okay, let's use
this and wrestling that doesn't exist, bro doesn't exist. It's
not a meritocracy.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
This is subjective, correct, And people who try to treat
it like that, try to treat it as a pure
sport either don't know or forget the origins of what
they're watching Exactly. Professional sports like football, basketball, what have
you started as competitive contests that evolved into juggernaut leagues

(44:55):
that we watch religiously every time they're on television. Wrestling
started in the circus, which is a place that is
meant for entertainment. These were entertaining things that have now
bought that's the old look at you, not his not
his brand is open, look at him. Yeah. So I

(45:20):
mean it's it's it's denying, choosing to or just being
ignorant of the history and the knowledge of where wrestling
comes to. You can't approach professional professional wrestling like that.
It's like when we say, like I'll say to my friends,
this isn't the best, the best wrestling match I've ever seen,
or the best promo segment I've ever seen in my life.
But I am sports entertained, which is point.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's the point.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I think. I think that has a little bit to
do with it too.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
If I'm being I can guarantee you when I go
to if I go to Dynasty next weekend for a
w I'm probably gonna see multiple matches that are better
than the ones I saw a WrestleMania last year. I'm
almost certain of it. Okay, if we're lost, Spray's on
the card, He's gonna have a better match than everybody
how it goes, right swer Stricklands on the card, Man,

(46:09):
he's gonna tear tear it up, bro, Like, Ricochet is
no telling what he can do in the ring, right Like,
But if you're gonna ask me what was my best
wrestling experience of my life, it's gonna be Wrestlemanian and
j Usover's Jimmy Usso is on that card. Like, I
don't know what to tell you, bro, It's more than
just that in the ring. So if that's what's people's

(46:30):
base argument for this, as far as not pushing j
Usso to where he is right now. I can't rock
with that, bro, I just can't. Now. Granted, everybody's entitled
to their opinion, but to actively work against j Uso
because of that is to me ridiculous. And I guess
it's the only way people can voice their opinions. I
guess in their minds, but like you can voice it

(46:53):
to the people who are in control. It's like the
people who like always go against the players when they
have like labor strife and the sports right, and they
blame the players of being greedy instead of looking to
the people who are actually in control that we could
solve these issues very quickly if they weren't greedy, right,
Like you know what I'm saying, And it's always that way.
I just saw it with the UFL, Right, the UFL.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Players train coming to me, Jason, it will be just
past my ass.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
But me and uf and don't live that far from
each other.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
That's that's really funny. Uh.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
The UFL had like the train on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's because it's become the fourth man on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah so, But honestly, though, in my case, it really
is bad. Like I opened my back door, and I
look at the CSX tracks like there are right there,
dam on the other side of the street. So that's
why you can probably hear it's so so loud next
to me.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
But the UFL, and know, the United Football League, it
just had like labor issues of players are threatening to
strike and whatnot, and everybody's like the players are having
any levers. Oh oh, I'm buddy. Dwayne's part of the
owner for that multi billionaire yet doesn't want to pay
the players what they want to be owed, right like,
or play them more than what they what they're offering,

(48:07):
which is a good do don't get me wrong. They
get get paid all right, good but for like football leagues.
But like I'm sure if they're asking for more, they
probably need more. And they definitely need better travel arrangements
because from what I've heard, they got teams traveling opponent
opposing team traveling on the same plane, which is crazy,
like what And yes, that's the thing that happens in
the United Football League beause they all stay in Texas.

(48:29):
They all stay in all the teams stay in Texas,
and they travel out to the games in their respective cities,
which is already a lot because it's like, you don't
want to promote locally in these markets that you're playing in. Okay,
you just want to come in Paris, you in and leave.
That doesn't seem like a strategy for the long term,
but all right, here you are. But the point is
that I saw a lot of people going against the

(48:50):
players in that and it's like, bro, they're just trying
to get what they can that you don't know what
they're dealing with, honestly, Like, look at the people who
are in charge, who are raking in money right now,
and they're not willing to pass it down to these players.
So I think it's the same thing here with like
or not the same exact thing, but a similar thing
in that your ir is misguided so quick to jump

(49:10):
on this individual when you probably should be looking at
the entity and being like, why aren't you doing better?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
We said it under Mystic Man, and we'll say it
under the tripilation regime as well. They can do better.
We've seen them do better. It feels like they're almost
like to me, and this is my opinion, they're kind
of like the juice is kind of running out of
the orange almost like I don't know if they're creatively
stretched thin, like they've been going for too long. Maybe

(49:38):
they need like a shift in personality or some sort
of a shift in philosophy. I don't know, but it
feels like they're running I don't want to say on fumes,
but it just seems like they're almost running out of ideas.
This is they're they're relying on some tropes that I
don't like to see with like people coming out with
the different promo parade. I call it when they come
out and say no, no, no, I'm the number one

(49:59):
intended none, no, I'm the number one contender, and they're
like all right, you know, and it's just certain things
that I'm like, okay, not loving it, and they kind
of drag things out, and I know some people are
like and Triple A said, well, well not everything's gonna be great,
But we said on the podcast, like, bro, you can't
just tank the rest of the season though, Like if
we watch a TV show that only good episodes can't

(50:19):
be the season premiere, the mid season finale, and the
season finale. The other episode's got to be good too.
I'm not gonna watch Yeah, but we're wrestling fans with
sickos We're gonna keep watching.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That's a problem. You can't you can't tank the whole season.
What is this these Philadelphia seventy six.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Ers actively trying, actively trying again.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I am starting to be concerned with creative as a
whole as well, because I feel like, as you watch
the same episode of Raw on Netflix every single week,
sometimes like it's the same, as you said, it's the
same promo parades, The matches are okay, and there are
some things that are sticking out right now. I am
a big fan of the el what's the naed El
Grande americanosh.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Golf of from the Golf of America, Bro.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
The whole thing is is awesome and a great way
to use Chad Gable creatively, uh, which they which is
ironic because they didn't want to give any creative Chad
Gable that he deserved. But like, ultimately, I think that
it's the same thing every single week with some exceptions,

(51:22):
and that also too could play into why Jay is
so maligned at the moment, because his promos in particular
tend to be same, tend to be repetitive.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
And because he's on the show every week. It came
back and see some fatigue. I'm thinking, like, man, they
could he could use an injury angle like right now
and just put him off to TV for like a month.
They could have did this a while. Look, I don't
know if they're gonna do it now because we're kind
of close.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
To the recommend vignettes there too, or just like.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Have Gunda beat him up real bad, put him on
the show for like a month just to hey, Jay,
take take a month off. We'll get a vacation. We'll
see you in early April. And when he comes back,
people go nuts. It's like, hey, ja Us is back.
But it's hard to miss a guy when you can't
when you you know he's always around. I think the
same thing happened to John Cena to a certain extent.
It's fatigue there. And granted, are the fans fickle for that,

(52:14):
you can say that, but there's something to that. I
think that w W should be mindful of that because
fans are they can grow fatigue. Their tendens. Fans aren't
as vast as they used to be. You should know
this by now. You can't just fight against this and
then have work against the tide all the time. So
maybe there is a fatigue factor. I think with fans
that play into it. But again did direct the IR

(52:37):
to W to JUSO instead of w W and right when,
like to Jason's point, when he gets repetitive, they're not
gonna understand that. If you say it's repetitive, I can
get behind that, But just saying j USI sucks, I
can't get behind that because that's outrageous.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
I'll tell you I love when Jason fantasy books when
we talk home, because just made me think, what if
they had Jay come out second, so you have oh
cuther standing in the ring watching Jay's entrance through the crowd.
That would be an amazing visual.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
It'd be great with.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
You know, the camera behind Gunther so Guth's staring at
Jay coming down and you just have that angle and
it's like, this is it. I got goosebumps, I got goose.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Bump, and the thing is go ahead, Jason, And as
soon as he hits the ring, Goooter just starts laying
into him. It just starts beating the hell out of him.
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Sorry, but no, I was gonna say to your point
earlier about like how Jay Ustill kind of represents sports entertainment,
but that's the thing about wrestling. You can have a
character like Jays and you can have a character like Gunther,
who's the opposite. He's about the purity of the sports
of wrestling. That's good. Good. People say like, oh, was
Brett Hart ever going to be good in the attitude there?

(53:58):
I think he would have been great because he would
have been the opposite of everybody else. That's what makes
him unique, and he could have been a great heel.
While everybody's over here having fun. He's like, stop that fun,
put that down, and now you got a villain's sleepover.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I get to choose the movie.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
And Bratt is like, uh uh no, more fun in
this bedtime, go to bed lights out. But that there's
a role for that you have. You can have your
people who are I'm for the sanctity of the sport
and maybe people will get behind it. Or you can
have your fun guys like you so who people just
want to have a good time with. Heaven forbid, we

(54:43):
have a good time at a pro wrestling show. Guys.
I watched so many indie shows that people love where
they do the silliest stuff and it's hilarious. Don't get
me wrong. I think some of it is hilarious. When
I see Bryce Wemsburg do the Invisible Man match, He's
there by himself and you can visualize the match and
you know, he's going back and forth and the table

(55:03):
breaks when they pulled the string out and the table breaks,
that is hilarious. Maybe. Is it stupid? Maybe, but like
if that, if you accept that, if you will accept
blue cane and cocaine, you know, and other people like
that in the indies, jay us is just fine. Bro,

(55:23):
ja Uso is just fine, and it's getting over you
with the casuals. Yeah, the stuff that we talked look about.
Look at on them indie shows that we like and think.
I think again, it's hilarious. Kenny Omegher wrestling the blow
up doll. Look, some people call it silly. I think
it's kind of funny, to be honest with you, The point.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Is it silly.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It is silly. So what I'm saying is if you
can accept that and chuckle with that, you can't sit
here and be like I don't want to eat.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Oh, now you're too grown. You just room for Joey
Ryan ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Man, let's talk about it though. The whole the industry
that allowed that to happen, not just wrestlers. Fans did.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Fans loved Joey, they promoted that too. It wasn't just
that they liked it, they promoted it.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Heaven forbid, somebody goes which the kids say, the kids
actually say, the kids actually do it, actually actual it's
an actual thing that the teeny kids, the teeny boppers
actually do. Heaven forbid, you latch onto a thing that's
actually trending instead of something that no one asked for,
no one or Ryan' stuff. And yet here we were.

(56:34):
Everybody's getting in on the act.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I don't want to hear it, bro, Yeah, tell them,
tell them that's right now. I mean, I'm with you.
I'm with you on that. And again it goes back
to it may be the older wrestling fans seeing a
little bit of their mortality and realized maybe that they
are no longer the target audience when things go over
their head. I have that, and I have that, you know,

(56:56):
once a day. But my daughters come home and tell
me about something. I'm just like, what what are you
talking about? It's it's that's the bottom line, right, It's
so cold, said so They're like, what is that we
talk about? Oh man, it's just it's just a it's
a it's a it's an inflection point in life where
the things that you used to like are different. It's

(57:18):
it's the it's the Abe Simpson quote. I used to
be I used to be down with what's I used
to be down with it, and then they changed what
it was and now it is weird and scary to me.
It'll happen to you too. That's what That's what this is.
That's what this whole conversation is. In a nutshell, the
next big John Cena merch mover is here, and the

(57:39):
people who already went through booing or cheering John Cena
don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Let me ask you guys something. Do you think this
run when Sandplunk came back, do you think it's not
gonna end with him in the main event in WrestleMania
at some point, even if it's not.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
This year, I would book it as his retirement match.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I mean, like it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, the CM Punk's very last match would be the.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
So that's the reason why he's back in ww it's
to prove all the aw people wrong who thought he
was washed, and then to get main event in WrestleMania
and that's it.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Like to me, it's happening. So to me if I
was like, yeah, of course money, yeah yeah. But to me,
I'm just saying like, Okay, well it's not this year,
Like why am I so mad though? Because it's going
to happen. It's might not be this year, but okay
maybe next year. But like that's what I don't get
they're putting. They're pinning j Uso against some of their

(58:38):
favorites like John Cena, CM Punk, Seth, Rollins, Roman Rings whatever.
If they are not in that main event then Jay
doesn't deserve to be in it for for some reason.
So I just never bought into that. I never bought
into you know, that thought process is like, well, if
they're not, then he doesn't deserve to be.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
It's like they don't think that WW realizes who they
have and are rosted. They know they got see I'm
punk on the roster. Bro. They also know they don't
have to put him in the main event matter this.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Year coming up. But I mean I'm saying that I
think we all agree he's going to be in the
main event in WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Don't be surprised if they put that triple threat as
a Night one main event. Though it's still got to.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Me that's not the main event. I think to last match.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Well, yeah, I get that, but it's still got Roman reigns.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah, he don't go on, that's true.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
In the middle of the show generally just just be mindful.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
But or it might be the first match. I could
see that, it could.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
It could, but like you said.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Maybe maybe, But like you said, just because it.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Is going on.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
When when you fired a coach man, there's usually love
the burst of energy after that for some reason. But
just because he won't get the main event potentially this year,
which it could still happen but may.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Not technically, I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Doesn't mean it won't happen next year. It's not like
they don't They know who they have in a Rosta,
they know who Seampunk is, they know they've got a
Wrestlemingium main event just sitting there waiting to happen. He
don't wrestle that often, so you can wait.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Who how many times could they have said, oh, we
have a WrestleMania main event in our back pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
You got all of them in one match with Roman reign,
soeth ronins and see them Punk, that's you got at
least a couple of combinations of main events there. They
know that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I think in the case of c MP Punk, I hope.
So you have to consider the people who and this
is completely understandable. I think that are worried that while
he doesn't wrestle a lot during the year, he's always
one match away from his knee exploding and having to retire.
So they want him to get that match in before

(01:00:45):
that happens and he has to leave because he's just old.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Get they feel like the clock is ticking. But the
clock is ticking on everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
But like my favorite wrestlers have broken down like also
that what is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
That think he's fragile? It's fair you think your man's fragile?

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Jay? You so has it missed the Dayton how long?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Right? The whole boy's thirty? All right, he don't get hurt,
he's solid him in the miss never get injured.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
If they if he bursts an a c L before WrestleMania,
I am no I met Jay you so yeah, let
me knock whip for that and I want to I
want to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I want to drink some, not jink some.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
But we knocking right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
But you know it's fine. There's a lot of other
things in the world that we can be up and
arms about right now. I couldn't give it. I couldn't
imagine being mad about anything this, Like, there's so much
the stuff to be mad about. There's so much stuff
to be mad about this, ain't it. Maybe also think

(01:01:57):
about that, guys, if you're really upset about this, that
you're mad online on social media, get your priorities together. Honestly,
there's so much other stuff to be mad about right now.
You can be on social media yelling about not jaus this,
come on, this, this is what we're mad about. Man,

(01:02:18):
y'all must be living good lives out there bro.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
The world.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
This is what you got got you upset? But because
good lord, I couldn't imagine. It's like the stephen A.
Smith and lebron stuff like I don't even know what's
happening with that. I just know that it's happening, and
it's like, why why do we care about this? Right now?
There's warped words between these two people. Let's get it together, y'all.

(01:02:46):
Even though we're talking about prog wrestling on this podcast,
just not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Mad about it kind of is it seems.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Like everything goes back to professional wrestling. Oh, you're watching
a show with two women yelling at each other from
a dinner party or something like that. It's pro wrestling.
It's just a different channel and a different situation. Pretty
much everybody, every that's right, everybody would love pro wrestling
if they gave it a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
I am convinced, Oh I'm driving to work and you've
cut me off, and I flip you the finger that
that's pro wrestling exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Then if you run him over, that's also pro wrestling.
That is tactically yik my. Manslaughter is a thing in
pro wrestling, but at least attentive.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I have heard that you could get away with it
immediately if you say you did it for the rock.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Or you can take a guy's arm and slam it
into the door like they did a Dusty Rose back
in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, yeah, do all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Kinds of stuff. You can bury somebody alive and pro wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Throw a Louca door into a trailer like a dart.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yeah, you could take a man laid out in a
stretcher and slam him up against a post. Look at
that the ramp, roll him off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
The ramp, roll him off the ramp, or like dump
him out of off a crane when he's in the
car and smash him the bits and then wrestle him
six weeks later.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, you could have a ladder match for custody of
a child.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Or a mom, or a mom or buff Bagwell's mother.
This is what we're talking about, guys. This is what
you're up in arms about this industry, all right. When
we saw a guy had jumper cables hooked up to
his family jewels and getting letacuted in from a thousands

(01:04:35):
of people, nobody called the cops.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Speaking of indie shows, I watched a clip from an
indie show just yesterday or the day before where a
man supplexed another man into a plywood board that had
pizza cutters fashioned onto it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Oh my lord, like pointing up like sharp.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah, hey yo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I guess a surface area. Maybe he didn't cut. I
don't know. Man, sounds crazy. Pizza cut, pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Slices, pizza slices. Honestly, I saw a bigger gash on
the man giving the shup plex than I did on
the one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
This is this is what we should be mad about.
This is stuff we should be mad about. We shouldn't
have people getting slammed on pizza slices. Bro, how many
people couldn't slice the pizza because they were all independent show?
They're all somebody went to the store and was like, Yo,
what happened to your pizza slices? Y'all had a bunch
of them yesterday and it's like, nah, some dude came
in man and bought them off. It's like, what he

(01:05:31):
owns a pizza store? Now he's a wrestling promoter. Okay. Meanwhile,
I can cut my pizza and I got cut it
with a knife. That ain't no fun like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
It got my pizza with a knife like a like
a I don't I didn't know where I want to
use there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Like a savage, like a savage.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Like an uncultured swine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Exactly, cut my pizza with a big knife. I need
a pizza slice I but no, there's wrestling promotion.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
What is this the BC?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Come on, this is the industry we're talking about, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
BC before cutters, before.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Cutters, So come on, this is we gotta take it easy, man. WrestleMania.
That's the other problem I think too. It's that WrestleMania,
the bill to it hasn't been that great overall, which
is kind of you know, there's still some time left.
I get we're almost in April. We're almost there, but
we still got three more weeks of this. But I

(01:06:32):
understand that. But again, that's not ja Usto's fault. That's
ww's fault for not keeping you engaged and enthralled like
you were this time a year ago. We all were
there with you. Don't get it twisted. But it ain't
the same now. But like, look, man, don't make j
Ussel the target of that. Tell WW to do better.

(01:06:55):
But that's all I got. Let's let's wrap it up
here for episode four twenty five. Any final thoughts and
then please take us out with some plugs. Nick, I'll
start with you, yeat, yeat? All right, see, Jason, let's
start with you. Any final thoughts or plugs please.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I always have favorite wrestlers. I always have wrestlers that
mostly that entertain me more than other wrestlers, and people
that I am loyal to and I follow and I
buy their merchant stuff like that. But at the end
of the day, all I am looking for is to be,
as I said earlier, sports entertained. And if jay Usso
is what they think is going to most sports entertain

(01:07:36):
me at their biggest show of the year, I am
willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Do
I agree that the setup for that best, biggest show
of the year has been so far? Absolutely. I don't
think anybody will say that it was it's as good
as last year's build or what have you. But you know,

(01:07:57):
if the match is good at WrestleMania and he wins
the championship and the crowd goes so crazy that we
could hear them in Vegas from here, then mission accomplished,
I suppose, And then and the merch sales will reflect that.
But you know, it's fun to watch my kid have
a conversation with me and then remember jay us exists,

(01:08:20):
and at the end of it just go hey, dad,
eat and then run away. I love that makes me
laugh every time. So like he's getting the audience that
he's supposed to be targeting. It's just the old fuddy
duddies let's call them, that don't like it. And to
be honest, you shouldn't cater to the fuddy duddies because
then nobody would like wrestling. I'm convinced, So keep keep

(01:08:42):
doing it, Jayu. So I'm gonna keep tuning in and
I hope it works out for you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Nick. Any final thoughts, No, just okay to you. Everybody
needs to relax, bro, that's the thought jay Us. Depending
work and time too, that's a thing too. That kind
of messes with me, man, because it's not like he
hasn't put into work as a tag team guy for
many years. Even as a tag team they weren't pushed

(01:09:11):
to the moon in the beginning. They had to fight
their way to get noticed in the tag team division.
And then they only really separated because I think Jimmy
got hurt in the pandemic, so there was no eminent
plans to make these guys individual stars, and then they
struck lightning in a bottle.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I'm not even sure they conceived of the bloodline when
they had Jago against Roman that first.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Maybe not. And honestly, it's out of necessity because it
wasn't that many people around. Remember, they had to take
everyone right. They couldn't get everybody in the building at once,
so Jauson was there. Okay, let's do so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Much similar DNA. You'll be okay near each other.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Right right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
That's crazy, that's crazy that I can be somebody's line
of thinking. I can see that. But we've been on
is rinding with him, not just for the last five years,
but for far more than that. And it's nice to
see somebody who really did grind and work their way up.
I think we all should be able to respect that
and appreciate, even if if it doesn't last. But it
doesn't have to last for that long. But this is

(01:10:13):
his time to shine. Now again, when he gets in
that ring, it's on him to capitalize. And again that's subjective.
You know, some of you may not feel like he
make he will capitalize. Some people may feel like he
could capitalize. But everything else, he's earned it. He's honestly
earned it. The fans are with him. He's put in

(01:10:33):
the work. Give him a shot. If it doesn't work,
WW is a multi billion dollar company, they'll be all right.
That's not the end of the world. You know, they're
not gonna go anywhere, and you ain't going anywhere more
than likely as a fan. Their numbers have gone up
in the last couple of years. So to me, it's
not that big of a deal if that Jay so

(01:10:54):
at least gets a chance. This is what we want.
It is for people to get a chance, and if
they fall, they fall flat, but they at least get
a chance. So with that, Jason, do you have any
plug things you want to plug before we get out
of here for episode four twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
So yeah, if you're if you're a video game fan
and you like to play the video games, you can
find me at big Man Finelle on all of the socials,
Blue sky X, Instagram, what have you. I do a
lot of newswriting for game Spot. I do some review
work for mmrpg dot com the occasional feature all over

(01:11:31):
the place. I did guides for IGN recently. So I'm
a I'm a freelance mercenary for hire in the Video
game Journalism department. And that's the only industry that I'm
a freelance mercenary for hire, and I'll deny it if
anybody says otherwise. But yeah, so I read you read
my stuff there, follow me on the socials, talk about

(01:11:53):
wrestling and games and and all kinds of stuff there. Yeah,
that's that's what I do, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Go check out my guy, Go check them out on
all the platforms, Nick, take us out with some plegs please.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
You can follow me at Underscore pacone on Twitter slash x,
and you could also follow me at pecone on Blue
Sky and I'm on threads as well at pocone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I've added TikTok to my resume so you can oh
find that at Underscore pacone as well. So all my
video clips will be posted to TikTok and so TikTok
and threads well just be the videos. Blue Sky Twitter
will be my ramblings as well. In case you hate

(01:12:43):
my opinions, you can yell at me on there, but whatever.
You could also follow us at shooters Radio on Twitter,
slash x on Blue Sky, and we're on Instagram and
threads as well, and you can follow us on Facebook
at Facebook dot com shooters Radio. Check this podcast out
wherever you get your podcasts, we got Apple. The main

(01:13:06):
ones are Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Spreaker, Odyssey, tune In Radio,
Appazon Music, and Pandora. So check us out on those
platforms and also at foxphl Gambler dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Check us out. Check us out on all those platforms
including Patreon, Patreon, dot com, Slash Shooters Radio. We give
requests a future deep dive and when you do, you
can bring a cameo on the show that we're diving into.
Doesn't have to be a wrestling show. It could be
a wrestling movie, pay per view, not pay per view,
music video, television show, whatever. We frequently do wrestling pay
per views, but other types of wrestling content too. We

(01:13:44):
are going to do some movie reviews coming up, as
I'm rubbing my hands together, so we're looking forward to those.
You can find me on x at von M. Johnson,
on Blue Sky at Vaughan Johnson and yeah, thanks for
rocking with us here for episode four twenty five of
The Straight Shooters. So for Nick Bocone and Jason Vonelli,
I'm Vaughan Johnson. Thanks for listening to episode four twenty

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five of The Straight Shooters and we'll catch you all
again next week. Hey, Gravage, wake up this show on
Oh Yeah, Jiggy