445: Reel Graps: 'They Live' Deep Dive

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up everyone out there, Internet Land, and welcome to
episode four four five of the Straight Shooters available wherever
podcasts are found. My name is Vaughan Johnson and I'm
joining as always by my man Man Pots and Pants,
nic pecona Fox PHL The Gambler and Crossing Broad and
we have a special guest in the building for a
deep dive. First, let me introduce a special guest. It

(00:36):
is John Jansen, also a fox PHL The Gambler.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I believe, right, Is that the case? Yeah? Oh yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Just make sure I'm keeping up with people's employment status.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Have you doing that a lot these days? Yeah? Movie
guy here, I'm back.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Exactly exactly John Jansen, big wrestling guy, but also big
movie guy, and that's why we're here to day. It's
another edition of Real graps Our e E L. We
just didn't one last week right with See You No
Evil with Kine, But this week we're doing a Yeah

(01:13):
we did, but we're doing a much better movie this
time in quality in so many different ways. We're talking
John Carpenters. They live starring Rowdy Roddy Piper, which is
why this is on our show, Straight Shooters. Wrestling podcast
because Roddy Piper stars in it. It's not just a

(01:35):
great movie because Roddy Piper is in it. Overall, it's
a classic. It's a it's a horror science fiction classic. Undisputably,
can't tell me anything about it. Proved me wrong pretty
much at this point. So we're going to deep dive
into that because we got John Chancey's big into movies
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
We talked, we had them on the what what was
what movie was that?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Iron Claw?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Iron Claw, the Iron Claw Deep Dive, And now we're
doing another disition of real graps for they live from
nineteen eighty eight. But before we get into any of
any of that, let me check out with my main men,
Pops and pants. Nick, how are you on this lovely
Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
My good brother unfortunately couldn't stay up for all eighteen
innings of Game three of the World Series. So I'm
a big baseball guy, right, So I watched the World
Series no matter what. But yeah, kind of just like
at this point, like, great game.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
But.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Can't you can't play until three in the morning, man,
you just can't.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now on the East Coast, I got to wake up.
I guess that would have been midnight on the West Coast.
I would assume sporting events rarely go that late in
the West Coast, and eighteen is a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Doctor Stadium wasn't even oh man, Just imagine if that
happened in Philly, Man.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
People would go home.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Bro. Yeah, dude, the reaction of the walk off.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So I went to the movie.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
I went to the movies, watched two films at the movies,
came back home and still watched like seven innings of
Baseball when it's crazy. That's nuts. That is absolutely nuts.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's too much. Also, what two movies did you see?

Speaker 5 (03:24):
I saw the Bruce Springsteen movie, which is okay, it's
another one.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
By the way, you just mentioned iron Claw too.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Jeremy Allen White definitely a bit miscast and maybe not
a movie star hot take because he got he got
out performed massively by Zac Efron, and then Jeremy Strong
outperformed him again, even with Jeremy al White being like
the lead this time.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
So I think Jeremy Allen's kind of just Jeremy all
White's kind of just a TV guy.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Damn. He's done movies though, he's done.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah, he's been good. He's absolutely I just I found
him good, not bad.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It's just like cook.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
But yeah, like standing next to Jack Geffron, I'm like
Jack Effron's a movie star, you know, Bear I did
acknowledged n terrible.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yes, chef, yes, chef Nick.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
But yeah, what what movie I saw? I saw Bruce
Springsteen and then a movie called Blue Moon.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Ethan Hawk. Yeah, it's about.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Lorenz Heart, who used to be the writer with Richard
Rodgers before he went with Hammerstein, which created Rogers and
Hammerstein the two most like successful uh musical writers of
all time. He was with Heart first, Lawrence Heart, and
it was all about him and how he is a
very sad like, very talented artist, but also one that

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has demons and uh kind of doesn't like himself all
that much. Having an ego. It's a really cool thing
of like just uh an artist and their work and
being a creative genius while also being somebody that nobody
wants to be.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Around, self destructive.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yes, that is exactly that is exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yes, Yeah, so it's really good.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
All right, So we got some good movies we've watched.
We've got some very long baseball games.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I just came in.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
From the Social Media Collective Awards in Philly, which we
the Inquiry. We won an award, we won Best Instagram Presence,
so shout.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Out to us for that. Nice. Uh yeah, and it
sounds very long, right, very long.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
It sounds like that sounds like what is it a
Knes Festival applause? Like a fifteen minute ovation.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, it sounds like you just did, like I just
announced that masterpiece in front of everybody. Uh but I
mean we had some masterpieces on Instagram, so shout out
to us. But also, uh, colleague Aaron Reynolds won Social
Media Professional of the Year and is well deserved. So yeah,
good time's.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Happening over here, got out there.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
But the look, I'll cut it.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I can't I can't believe I didn't get any awards
for my very schizophrenic Twitter account.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh man, Well, from like movies to video games.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
You think you're wrestling, Yeah, but it's sure, But yours
is like radio calls. You know, you have a you
have a straight line there, there's something, there's a through
line there. Me it's like whatever dumb random ship I'm
watching that day.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
So yeah, I mean it's all film, which you know,
that's all together, right, you.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Know, cinematic in a way. Yeah, any any yeah movie
thing like recent movie news. I'll go to John Jensen's timeline. Yeah,
you'll get questions, but.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
That that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
You'll be seeing me tweet about a movie and then
all of a sudden, it's like, man, this Akron zips
Buffalo game.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Is East Carolina Pirates, go East.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Hey against Temple. They're playing Temple this week. Temple try
to be eligible.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Huge game, by the way, in the American Athletic Conference. Absolutely,
these teams, it's a it's an exciting one.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
You can't say, go East Carolina this week.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Actually, like, yeah, I'll say it all day.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
They do have but it's dope branding, dope colors, dope
dope uniforms. I do love the EU.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's a genuinely like, very exciting game.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
For the group.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So yeah, I'm all in.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
It's a really fun game if you are, if you
can go to the link and watch the game everyone, Yeah,
I would encourage you.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
See that too.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, Temple the chance to be Bowl eligible already. Yeah,
I think the.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Last time the American two of the best quarterbacks in
the American like, all of it is really exciting.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Navy if they if they beat Navy.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, Navy was a rough on.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Well, yeah, were scored late on them. That's yeah, that
was wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
The last time they was in the bowl game, PJ
Walker was the quarterback, I believe.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
So yeah, I don't want to talk about that guy
that gotta BEATU won too many times.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Not PJ Walk Nick p J Walker who might be
still in the NFL somehow he is.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
P J Walker owns No, he's in the CFF throw Yeah,
did he go to the ship.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
So I know I watched CFL.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
He signed with the stam Peters, the Calgary Stampeters last
last season. I think he's still the backup with the
Calgary Stampeters behind Vernon Adams. Uh, who's playing in the
West semi final this weekend. So turn this to a
CFL podcast. I can do that because his opponent is
Nathan Rourke, who was in the NFL last year the
pre season, but he got cut for some reason.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
But he's incredible quarterback.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
He's going to be most outstanding player, probably most outstanding
Canadian as well. But no, we're not on a CFL podcast.
We're we're a wrestling podcast. We're also Philly Sports Podcast. Well,
I think the most exciting backcourt go ahead.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Which we can we can tie it in the wrestling.
P J Walker can thank Vince McMahon for the resurgence
of his career because he went to the XFL first
next with June Jones and that got him the NFL
to Carolina And he actually made one of the greatest
NFL throws I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
In my life is that when they played the Falcons
in that game. And because the Falcons, I know you're
talking gitimately one of the greatest throws I've ever seen
it is from p.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, it's it's pretty incredible p J Walker making that throw.
And I think did they lose that game still?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think I think they lost it over time.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, So lots going on there. So let's move on
to some current day nonsense. Not really nonsense here. It's
sad news. Actually we mentioned this in the last podcast,
but a member of the New Generation, Bobby Horn, better
known as Mo or Sermo, one half of Men on

(10:12):
a Mission and WW died recently at the age of
fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I heard he had a lot of.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Problems in the latter stages of his life with his health,
and it's just another it feels like another example of
you know, wrestlers not having much when they leave the
business because the business does not.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Give them much at all.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And it's really sad to see somebody who put their
body on the line and put their life on the
line in a lot of ways, and when it comes
to pro wrestling suffers such a fate. But both members
of Men in a Mission least a tag team. Obviously
Oscar is still alive, but Mo and Nelson Fraser slash

(10:54):
Mabel slash Viscera. Viscera passed away. Yeah, Big Daddy as well.
Daddy passed away back in like twenty thirteen, so it's
been a while since he's passed away. And now Most
Last Bobby Horn has passed away as well. I don't
know if you guys had any thoughts or any memories
of Most Last Sermo in WWF or anywhere else, but

(11:16):
give you guys some Florida.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
You know, I thought he was great in his role,
as you know, not only Mo but Cermo. You know,
he was just like the guy he loved to hate,
so he did his job real well. Growing up in
the New generation, I love to hate Men on a
Mission when when they turned heel. You know, they were
the they came in in ninety three, I think, and
they were like the big Babyface tag team, and you know,

(11:39):
they eventually won the tag titles. But they're just like
the bright neon colors and stuff like that. You just
like as a kid. It's not a lie when you
hear kids like say they gravitate towards like colorful things
like at a certain age and it enthralls them, like rainbows,
stuff like that. Like that. That was me as a kid,
like And it's so interest saying that I hear kids

(12:01):
today say some of the same things that I thought
as a kid, but I didn't really like say it
out loud, you know, Like I didn't. I was the
wrestling person in my family, so it's not like I
had somebody to talk to about metal a mission, you know.
So it was stuff that as I grew up, I
started recognizing stuff that I really loved from my childhood.

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And medical mission part of the New Generation many were
they were that they were like up there in the
top tier of just they didn't even they didn't like
Hall of Famers, you know what I mean. But they've
they've made a spot in my brain to like remember
them by and that wasn't easy back then for a

(12:45):
lot of the new generation folks. So I'm sad to
see Bobby Horn pass away.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
John, I don't know if you had any thoughts you
wanted to share.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
No, I think Nick put that pretty well. I haven't
watched too many of his matches. I have heard of
men in a mission him, but you haven't watched too much.
But yeah, very sad.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
And I think you believe he was the last person
Lex Lucer beat up before leaving WWF to go to
wcw Ah.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
How about that for for some wrestling facts.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
They've gotten involved in the Diesel Mabel SummerSlam event.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
But yeah, I think you kind of said Von And
I always thought this with sports and especially the NFL
because of the CT thing. But just these guys are
always gonna you know, there's no way to keep them
safe doing the profession. The only thing to do is
to to be able to give them care.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And all of that after their careers.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
And it just feels like WWE does does fall short
in that department a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, especially, I mean apparently Mo had reached out for help,
like with his medical issues and got turned down because
he wasn't destitute and addicted to drugs. Apparently that's that's
the only way they will help you in WW at
least that's how they've done in the past. But it

(14:02):
didn't happen for Mo unfortunately. So again, rest in peace
to Mo. Besides Bobby Horn and yeah, just another person
of our childhood gone too soon in this particular case.
So all right, let's make the awkward transition to our
deep dive real graps as we're calling it when we

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cover movies at least, and since it's October, we're covering
horror movies. We covered See No Evil last week. Yes,
John Jansen, we did that so right.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
We did. Know why you guys have the best wrestling
podcast in the world. We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
But when you start with Seeing No Evil, we got
to kind of balance it out, you know, with something
that's you know, we started off with something kind of
garbage in the grand scheme of things, got to balance
it out with a classic, and that's what we have
here with they Live from nineteen eight. So guys, are
you ready to deep dive or dive deep and today

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live from nineteen eighty eight?

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Oh ye, John you ready.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
I am ready to broadcast the signals to keep those
a sleep wall.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
We Live, Yes, all right, let's do it. They Live
was released on November fourth, nineteen eighty eight. The film
was produced by A Live Films along with Larry Frankel Productions.
They have both worked with the director John Carpenter, who
has directed multiple and I mean when I say multiplely,

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I mean multiple horror classics, including They Live, which I've
mentioned already is a classic. But his most famous classic
has to be Halloween, which set a new bar for
horror films at the time when it came out in
the late seventies, still to this day iconic horror film,
and it came from John.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Carpenter his direction at least.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
He also directed my favorite horror movie of all time,
The Thing, which John, I don't know if you've seen
The Thing, but.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't think I have.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
They all, man, you've never seen the Kurt Russell, Keith
David The Thing.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's another one show.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
I wanted to watch They Live because I haven't seen
too much John Carpenter, because I haven't always been a
horror movie guy, and I'm just starting to really like
get into it and deep dive into horror stuff. So yeah,
there's a lot of John Carpenter I've missed, even though
I know he's a very good director.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
He is one of my favorite directors of all time.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Him.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I was like Quentin Tarantino. I was just Steven Spielberg
is a great director too. You just admire the great
work he's done. But like, if I like the stot,
if I'm a fan of someone's style, it'd be a
John Carpenter.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Or a Quentin Tarantino film.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And for me, the best horror movie that I've ever seen,
the ones that I had the biggest reaction to, is like, WHOA,
that's incredible. The thing created by John Carpenter, starring Kurt
Russell and also starring Keith David who's also in They Live.
But he's got many other bangers too, John Carpenter, He's
got big trouble in Little China. If you guys have
seen that also with Kurt Russell.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Nope, no, I've heard of that.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Good lord, you are you need to get update on
from John Carpenter here.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Escape from New York.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Nope, no, wow, Escape from New York. All right, follow
me on this premise An ridiculous premise. No, that's the second.
This is the this is the prequel. I guess to home,
to home alone to escape from New York. This has
Kurt Russell trying to escape from New York. But all right,

(17:36):
help me out on this premise, all right, for escape
from New York. All right, it's nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Oh man, the best year in pro wrestling history, right.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
And also the most uh just terrible year. And it
comes to like futuristic movies because Terminator that are the
apocalypse happens in nineteen ninety seven as well, and Terminator,
but in nineteen ninety seven, we're in a post apocalyptic
the world apocalyptic world obviously, where Manhattan, the island of
Manhattan is not a tourist destination anymore. It's not a city.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
It is a prison.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
It is a maximum security prison where whoever goes into
the city they stay there.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
They don't come out.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
They're in there for life, no they do. There's no
security on the island. It's just them in the world
they create. Right, So this island is just infested, right,
but somehow it's Manhattan. Right, that's ridiculous in hindsight, But
it's like follow me, follow me. But then Kurt Russell's

(18:38):
character Snake Pliskin right, which he's the person that snake
A solid Snake is named after from medical Solid Snake
Pliskin from Escape from New York. He is a criminal
sent into the prison to rescue the President of the
United States because he Air Force one has crashed landed
in the prison because a terrorist, like some liberal terrorists,

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has crashed the plane. They they got on the plane
and they some time terrorists, I don't know, I don't
say liberal terrorists, some time terrorists got on the plane,
crashes it and almost kills the president, but the president
does not die. They have an escape pod, but they
are in the island of the prison in Manhattan, and

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Snake Pliskin is sent in to rescue the president. He
has twenty four hours and if he doesn't do it,
he dies. He's got to comply so or.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And if he doesn't, I am.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
And the primary villain is not the US government, is
Isaac Hayes as the Duke of New York. Come on, baby,
come on, I'm that find it wherever it is. I
think it's on Amazon prim actually Escaping.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
The good thing is there's a whole John Carpenter collection, Yes,
Criterion that I definitely need to dive into.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Check in because he's also done as Assault on Precinct thirteen.
He's done Prints of Darkness and The Fog with Jamie
Lee Curtis as well, who also starred in Halloween.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
The Fog.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Underrated, I think horror movie if you go back late seventies,
I think as well go back and watch The Fog.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I think it's really good.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
But yeah, he's one of my favorite directors of all time.
He's also I think underrated as a composer. He did
the music for Halloween. John did you know that?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah? Oh yeah, I know that.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
John Carpenter is also a composer, and I think he's
about to be a composer for something a cold project
very soon. I forget what it's what it is, I
gotta look it up, But yeah, Carpenter is a composer.
Is also like as much of an impact culturally as
some of his actual like direction has been.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, that Halloween theme is an iconic movie theme. Is
up there with anything John Williams has done, like as
far as like something you identify, like if you hear
the Jurassic Park theme, you know it. You hear the
Star Wars thing, you know it like John Williams themes
or Deanna Jones. But if you hear the Halloween theme,

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you instantly know what it is that.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Halloween. That's John Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And I like for he like he'd like sets moods
with his music, and he is not very elaborate, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
There's not like a big orchestra.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's just him with a lot of times with the
keyboard and he's hitting certain keys and it works.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's just like that's good.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
That's really good, very simplistic but impactful at the same time.
And I think the theme he did for this movie
They Live is also really good. Not I don't think
it's one of his best necessarily, but I think it
fits the vibes of this movie, which to me, it
gives me Western vibes, and it feels appropriate because it's
like a big theme in the Westerns is like that

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there's a stranger that strolls in the town and.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
All of a sudden, trouble is afoot uh.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
And his first scene in the movie is literally Roddy Piper,
who plays the role of Nada, kind of drifting its
way into Los Angeles as like this stranger into this
town and the town to turned upside down as a
result of their arrival.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
So yeah, I liked his theme.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I've always liked for me, John Carper, and I always
like the mood, kind of the moodiness of his movies
and the world he creates within this movies, whether it's
Halloween or Escape from New York or even they live
in the clear vision he has with his creativity and
how he execute his clear vision, sometimes you don't have
to make it very complicated in what you're trying to

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get across. They live I think as an example, it's
not that complicated, but it's executed very well within his idea.
And if I again, I love Escape from New York.
If this one movie that I think is begging to
be remade, it's Escape from New York. It's begging to
be remade, even though it's preposterous the premise of Manhattan

(22:58):
being turned into a prison, But I think it's begging
to be made into a newer movie these day. They
didn't make a sequel called Escape from LA that's not
nearly as gid escape Escape from New York though classic.
Carpenter also wrote this movie, but the screenplay is based

(23:19):
on a short story called eight o'clock in the Morning
by Ray Nelson, so you might see Ray Nelson also
credited for writing the movie on IMDb. But if you
watch the movie, the screenplay credits Frank Armitage with writing
the screenplay, and you're like, who the hell is that?
And that is actually Keith David's character's name in the movie.

(23:41):
His name is Frank Armitage. Carpenter used a pseudonym for
some reason to write this movie.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
So there's that fantastic.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
That's very John Carpenter. I guess I don't know. Some
people do that sometimes. Stephen King has done a couple
of times too, some.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Of his.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Written pieces. But A Live Films and Larry Franco Productions
co produced a movie Uh they produced. Also they've also
produced other Carpenter films. They produced Alive produced Prints of Darkness,
which I think is an underrated horror movie. I think
it's really good. If you haven't got a chance to
check it out, check it out. They also produced on

(24:19):
Larry Franco I think I should say, produced Escape from
New York and Big Trouble in Little China. They've also
produced films other films outside of Carpenter, including Jamanji, Batman Begins,
Mars Attacks, and Jurassic Park three.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
So Larry Frankel Productions.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Was and some big stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
But the film was distributed in theaters by Universal Pictures,
which has an extensive history in the horror genre. John,
I'm sure you know about this, but you ever heard
of the Universal Monsters? Nick him, Oh, well, that's the
Universal Monsters. I mean they go back literally a century,
Universal name, and that's fair natural disasters.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Versus a un Universal monsters.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Sounds like a real thing.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But Universal has produced Frankenstein, Dracula, The wolf Man, Phantom
of the Opera, and they're also their many remakes, including
the nineteen ninety nine The Mummy, which they also produced
The Mummy back in the day, but the twenty seventeen
one trash nineteen ninety nine movie classic. Though classic, there's
also a new Frankenstein and it works too as well.

(25:23):
But Universal has an extensive history with horror that literally
dates back one hundred years. The film stars Roderick Toombs,
better known as Rowdy Roddy Piper. He is not a
down on his luck, out of work drifter who discovers
that the world is under the control of I guess
aliens for lack of a better term, but people who

(25:45):
are it's a metaphor for the upper.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Class, let's just say that.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
But in this movie, they're.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Kind of like extraterrestrials so to speak, right, who are
also the upper class, right, But they kind of explain
them in like a horror movie since as like being
from another planet. They kind of go to planets and
take over the planet, and they go from planet to
planet kind of doing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
This is Roddy Piper's first.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Fun That's why they do it, you know, just be
rich and like take over a planet and then move
on to the next planet and keep it going. This
is Roddy Piper's first major movie role. He had done
Body Slam in nineteen eighty six, but that was nothing,
nothing compared to what he was doing with They Live,

(26:30):
which was what essentially made Roddy Piper say bye bye
to the wrestling business and become a full time actor.
And based on this movie, I think he had some potential,
but he was definitely Taylor made for this role.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
He was Taylor made to be Nada in this movie.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
It just feels like a role that was just like
Roddy Piper. If you would write himself in a movie,
he'd be Naugha, a guy from nowhere who has no past,
no family, and he comes in and realize is that
there's some injustice happening and I gotta do something about it.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
That feels very Roddy Piper to me.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Right alongside Roddy Piper is a legendary Keith David as
Frank Armitage. As I mentioned earlier, David is no stranger
the Carpenter movies. He was also in The Thing, classic
character in that as well, and They Live. He once
again is teaming up with the main character like he
did in The Thing. But what hasn't Keith David been

(27:29):
in at this point? I mean, I feel like we've
we know Keith David. Keith David, right, like we've seen him,
we've heard him, right?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Is that right? Am I right?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Oh? Keith David, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I mean a legend in the industry. His first credit
on the.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Side, he's been around in a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh yeah, he's His first credit to IMDb dates back
to nineteen seventy nine and he's been working steadily ever since.
He was in Platoon Roadhouse, Underrated, Spike Lee Joint, and Clockers,
which you know, if you guys haven't seen Clockers, I
recommend it Dead Presidents Reckoning your field for a dream.
He's in the Replacements Barbershop, Head of State at l Crash.

(28:10):
He was a Nope recently and is even in aviod Elementary,
which I need to catch up on him.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yes see, he plays what's the principal's name, I forget
her name, but she he is her father, do you
know that?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yes, spoiler.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
In case somebody hasn't caught up yet, including Nick, But
yes he is Ava.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's our name, the principal.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Well, I stopped to watch this week's episode.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
But you know what, I actually every time I hear
his voice because he does a lot of voiceover work too.
Oh he's a very very big voiceover artist an actor,
because he's in even like Princess Mononoke, which is a
really great Miyazaki film. But I always remember him for
some reason in the Saints Row of video games.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yes, don't don't know why. That's the first thing.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
He has done so many iconic things, and yet every
time I hear his voice, I like Saints Row.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, there's Keith David.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
He's done.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
He has extensive experience in voice acting, including Saints, Row,
Princess and The Frog for Disney. He's in Mortal Kombat,
Mass Effect, Halo, SpongeBob, SquarePants, so many things.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
When we hit our categories later, makes a lot of
sense now for.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Me, Yeah, that voice is iconic. I think it's so iconic.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think his Twitter handle, one of his handles on
social media is literally like Golden Voice or something like that,
because it's like, I mean, why not it made him,
It's made him a ton of money. Like I'd call
it the Golden voice as well. Uh, the voice, also
the voice. The film also stars Meg Foster as Holly.
You may know her from Masters of the Universe and

(29:53):
most recently, Pretty Little Liars. We've also got Raymond Saint
Jock as the Street Preacher. His career dates back to
the nineteen fifties. Some of his more famous roles came
in Glory when he played Frederick Douglass.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's a big role. He played Glory, and he played.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Frederick Douglass in the Glory movie and the TV series,
and he also did a bunch of TV series.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
He did a.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Men two two seven, A Different World, and many, many
more shows. We also have the late George buck Flowers,
also Raymond Saint Jocks. We were talking about the late
Raymond Saint Jock as well, but we got George buck
Flowers as Drifter. We got Peter Jason as I forget
who he was.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I thought i'd put it down in my notes.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
He just says as well. He's in the movie as well.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
He died unfortunately earlier this year at the age of eighty,
but his career dates back to the nineteen sixties with
Hawaii five, Oh Kung Fu Gun Smoked, the Incredible Hawk
TV show, and he had a couple bit parts in
Forty eight Hours. He's a bartender. In forty eight Hours,
he's a soccer coaching karate kid. He's in Brewster's Millions,

(31:01):
another John Carpenter movie, in Print of Darkness. He's in
an episode of Roseanne Married with Children and Doctor Quinn
Medicine Women. So Peter Jason was working. He was also
in Mortal Kombat. He was the guy that, I don't know,
if you guys see Mortal Kombat, he's the guy that
gives Johnny Kaye the invitation to enter the tournament.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Okay, yeah, I don't know if I would have writ
but yes, I have watched Mortal Kombat.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
You said Roseanne.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yes, he's also Rosne.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
He's even a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I was never allowed to watch that show when I was.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
A kid, allowed to watch Roseanne.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
So when they my parents see like the adult theme
type shows where they're talking about you know, teen pregnancy, sex, drugs,
that type of stuff, they they were like, oh, may
that show was not They're not old enough to watch
that show yet for me and my sister. So, but
my sister was older, so I think she was able
to watch stuff like that if she wanted to, but

(31:58):
I was not.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
So rose was on national television.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
It wasn't even like it was still you know, sex, drugs,
you know, that type of subject matter sometimes.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
So I guess, I mean I haven't.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Watched Maybe I shouldn't say not allowed to, but like
they kind of would look could be weird if I
wanted to watch it, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay, Well, I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Like I know not that I ever did watch Roseanne
back then. I'm just saying, like we see reruns through
the years. I'm like, oh, like John Goodman, let's see
how let's see what John Goodman does and then that
that's that's the extent of my Roseanne knowledge.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I don't really have a ton of Roseanne knowledge.
I don't have much.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
So I taped an episode. It was the Tornado episode.
It was like season one or two.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
It was a tornado episode.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
And yeah, they were so I was like enthralled with
the weather back in like the nineties. So okay, I
saw like the beginning of the episode. It was like
on syndication on one of the channels here in Philly,
and I popped at a tape and I taped the episode.
I watched it over and over again, just because tornado

(33:17):
you don't see a tornado, but it just they were
through tornado. Tornado was like took out the house down
the street or something.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
So, yeah, Didney live in Chicago. Tornado's happened in Lamford?

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Is that Illinois?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I think?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
So, I don't know, it's windy, but.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, it was just like the effects they did and
the like the commercial break where the glass breaks and
everything and they're like, oh my god. I was like, Roseanne, Man,
these rocks. So yeah, that's how the Tornado episode.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Well, I don't know if I got Peter Jason was
in the Roseanna that particular episode, probably, but he was.
He was Gilbert in this movie. That's just say I
show a movie they live. So Gilbert was a guy
who was kind of helping the resistance pretty much. We
also have John Lawrence as the Bearded Man, who is

(34:13):
a guy who was appearing on the feeds on the
television telling people like you're being controlled by extraterrestrials or
somebody watch out pretty much, the Harbinger and so Street
Preachers Maney Harbingers, I guess in this movie. But according
to well, let me say this first. The film was
shot on a modest three million dollar budget but made

(34:36):
a pretty good return at thirteen million dollars in the
box office, perfect and.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
A debut at number one in this opening weekend.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
So this might be the first number one movie we've
ever done, because we haven't done a bunch of great movies.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
You know. I'm SUREFTV back then marketed the hell out
of the hul Cogan movies. I wonder if they did
for this one.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I feel like I feel like miss McMahon was probably
offended by this movie.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah, because he's the targeting.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I feel like he was like a get this out
of here. Roddy is not a WWF production, So why
do I care? But a lot of people care that
critics care.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
They gave it.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
It's an eighty seven percent on Rotten Tomatoes for the
critics and only an eighty percent audience score, which I
mean it's still pretty high. But the critics love this
movie apparently, not as much as or more than the
audience the general audience apparently.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
But what is this movie about?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
According to IMDb, the blurb on IMDb says, they influence
our decisions without knowing it. They numb our senses without
feeling it. They control our lives without without us realizing it.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
They live.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So that doesn't tell you a.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Lot, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
What is they? And this movie?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
And I put in my notes, if this movie was
made today, it might be called woke by a certain segment.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Of the country for sure, Right.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
And it reminded me of another movie that came out
kind of around this time called RoboCop.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I don't know if you guys seen RoboCop.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would suggest a revisit to RoboCop, because you talk
about a movie that's ahead of his time. And also
kind of gory but fun and funny, very funny. Actually,
go back and check out.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
He also appeared on a WCW show.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
He did but the first movie was.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Not kid friendly. Okay, let me tell you that right now.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Go back and watch RoboCop, and you're gonna see somebody
get shot up real good in the first ten minutes
of the movie. Okay, and somebody else and later in
the movie get obliterated. Okay, Like it's it's kind of rough,
kind of bleak.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
This movie is much more bleak. Actually didn't rumble, but
go yeah again, go back and watch that.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
But They Live is probably John Carpenter's most overt anti corporate,
anti establishment movie, Like I think Escape from New York
and some of his other movies has some of those themes,
but none of his other movies give you Carpenter's raw
view of the world. Then They Live and it's kind
of bleak, right, but sometimes the world really is bleak

(37:34):
in that way. It's pretty much about a guy who
drifts into Los Angeles. Right, it's just a Los Angeles, right,
I was presuming it was. It seemed like it.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
And he discovers that the world is.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Being controlled by the rich and powerful, but they're not
of this planet pretty much.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
But they are rich and powerful.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
And the only way you can see this is through
these sunglasses. And once you see these, you put these
sunglasses on, you see the actual world and how it's
controlling everyone.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Makes you wonder what the Rock saw every time he
came out on something.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I mean, I'm sure that ring that he saw yep, right,
he saw signs I said obey and consume, right, But
he sees this and he sees it like, oh wow,
they out here trying to kill us.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It's regulars people.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
And he needs to do something about it. But yeah,
I think John Carpenter had a message in this movie.
I was I'm interested in how you guys think about
this movie, like overall, before we kind of get into
like what the movie like, what happens in the movie
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
What were your.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Overall thoughts in the movie, and what do you think
the movie is trying to get across in your eyes?

Speaker 5 (38:57):
I'll start with you John, Yes, So without getting too
far into like thematically, it's obviously working very anti capitalist,
but more of just the style of the movie. I
want to know how it was done because it feels
like John Carpenter like saw Roddy Piper and when I'm

(39:20):
making a movie around what you do.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
It was a.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Showcase of like everything of what Piper is seemed like
as like a person, a performer all wrapped in one.
Because Roddy Piper, we know, could be this like really
charismatic performer, over the top performer, and like you know,
this this tough guy performer, but also there was always

(39:44):
this charm about Roddy Piper the person, and I think,
like we always see clips of it, like there was
something real about Roddy Piper compared to like the over
the topness and like unrealness of what was wrestling in
that day, especially like Haul Cogan. The more and more
like you saw of Hogan as a person, the more
you realize, like not real he is.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
There's a charm to Roddy Piper.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
And man, he gets every single bit of that from
Roddy Piper in this movie.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
So I just I just like the style of it.
It ends up making the movie.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
An action movie, but this really like grounded, kind of
raw movie about the people, the poor class and that
are trying to make a life and make a living,
And it was just man. It was such a great
showcase of what Roddy Piper was as a person and
performer literally in just one role. So I'm so glad

(40:38):
I got to see that kind of an action. Now
thematically again a very anti capitalist, but I do like
the that, especially.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
With Roddy Piper's character.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
He's called Nada basically comes from nothing and the people
around him, the more they have to protect and fight
for it, the harder it is to to go against
that force. This the status quo of what the world is,
and capitalist is only in it's someone that comes from nothing,
that has nothing is able to do that and be like,

(41:07):
well we got to stop this. The more people have
to protect and have around them, the harder it is
to do that. And I thought that was a really
cool man thing that they were playing through there. I mean,
the fight with him and Keith David about that is
one of like the I think the best scenes of
the entire movie.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, and you're right about that because Keith David's character,
Frank has a wife and kid, right, two kids. I
believe he says it's got over again, yep, right, He's
got people to look out for, so he's wants none
of not as nonsense.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
But like you said, Nada has nothing.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
He's got as far as we know, no family, no kids,
no significant others. He's got nothing to hold on to.
So he's like, whatever, I'm down for the cause. Meanwhile,
Frank has, like you said, got nothing, He's got something
to lose, so he's like, ah, I'm good and they
literally fight about it at some point, which my favorite
scene in the movie. We got a couple of great
scenes in this movie to talk about, but Nick wanted

(42:02):
to get your thoughts on they live thematically and what
you thought about the movie overall before we kind of
get into some of the details of the movie.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
I just thought it kind of funny where you think
of movies just entertainment in general, but like movies TV
shows as a distraction from real life. But then you
watch TV shows and movies and they actually have themes
that reflect real life. Right, So this feels like watch
this to get away from whatever is bothering me today,

(42:33):
and then you're just reminded of damn it, this is
how the world is today, almost even in nineteen eighty
eight when it was released, Like, that's how it's just
as long as I've been alive, and that's just how
you know, you grow up as a kid not knowing
any of this stuff, and then as you grow up
you see the world around you just kind of like, yeah,
do this, do that. There's usually like a process, and

(42:55):
if you go against the process, then you're going to
be almost the target to make or that you follow
that process. And it's just funny how that goes from
the beginning of when he discovers it. I did think
when he recognized the glasses, like that bit went on
a little too long for me. It's like, Okay, after
like a minute or two, we understand what the glasses mean.

(43:17):
We didn't need like, you know, five minutes of off on,
off on.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's like okay, I mean i'd probably be there, but
like are you serious, like.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Real life? Sure, but uh, you know, this was only
an hour and a half movie. So I was like, okay,
get on with it. I'm like, okay, we got it. Yeah,
And uh the one guy who the first guy who
noticed that, we're just like he was going for the newspaper,
buying the newspaper the stand and looked at Piper a

(43:48):
couple of times like did he not recognize like those glasses,
Like I thought, like, these people knew what those glasses were,
these aliens or whatever, but the first one didn't seem
to realize that's what Rodny Piper was wearing the sunglasses
and how he was getting noticed and all that. So
that that kind of set the tone for me for

(44:10):
later on where I was like, but everybody else seems
to out with those glasses me, and so what was
up with that first guy? Was he just a new
one that didn't understand me something But they never explained that.
But it didn't like ruin any of the movie for me.
Some of the CGI stuff so eighties which made me laugh.
You know, it's hard to ignore it in twenty twenty five,

(44:34):
just how corny some of that the graphics are, so
it just made me laugh. So like the drone when
Piper the stop motion he shoots it and then covers
his head. Yeah, and then there's like no debris there. Yeah,
there's like a very little debris, just like little stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I was like, that's the thing too.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
It's like it's like this very campy, cheesy movie but
at the same time dealing with something a lot deeper,
but at the also the same time being like an
action movie where it feels like, you know, it could
be like a die Hard or lethal weapon type movie.
H So, yeah, it's just it's so many things in
won And again I think that to me, it's like

(45:14):
it's the perfect showcase for Roddy Piper in that way, right,
because like he was just the perfect guy for that
role to do all of that. Yeah, like and deliver
deliver some of these like almost wrestling lines, uh in
the movie when all the action stuff starts happening, Like yes, man,
uh so, yeah, all of that stuff just it works
so well in this.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, like I said earlier, I think Roddy Piper was
the perfect person to play this role. Like if I
if somebody else played it, and if I had to say, like, oh,
Ridy Piper should have been somebody in the.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Movie, it would have been Nada and they live like
you just fit perfectly.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, That's that's why I want to know what that
process is it, Like, was this role made with Roddy
Piper in mind?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Because that's the only.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Way to work, because there's not many other like actors
or people that you could put in something like this
and work to that degree.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Not to this degree I think, well, it's based off
for short stories, and I've never read the short story.
I don't know if there's a character like Nada in
the story. I would assume, but we don't know. I've
never read it. Yeah, either, but I agree with you
the character of Nada in this movie fit Roddy Piper tuity, Like,

(46:25):
I don't know if those would have been a better
actor at this time. And obviously there's better actors at
this time in nineteen eighty eight, eighty seven, whenever you
filmed it out there, But I don't know if there's
a better person for this role at this time than
Roddy Piper.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, I can't, Like, I wouldn't be able to think
of it. I wouldn't be able to think of somebody
that can pull off because again it's not like there's
better actors, but not in the way this film's tone
is and how many different kind of movies it is
all in one that it would have been the same
if it wasn't for somebody is charismatic one but also

(47:06):
was charming on the other.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Side of it, as Roddy Piper is.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Like that, that's so hard to pull off without knowing,
like who who the actor is or thinking like, oh,
we can just find this. You can't really find that
many people that can do that. And really it just
to me, it's like I can't think of anyone other
than Piper that could have done that.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, especially not at this time. It just it just
fit like a glove in my opinion. Let's talk about
the movie real quick and some things that happened in
the movie before we kind of get into our format,
which is of course our favorite scene, our least favorite scene,
favorite performance, worse performance, and you know, maybe some random
thoughts at the end. But the movie starts off with

(47:49):
the carpenter painting a pretty bleak picture right off the
bat right like Naa gets turned down for a job.
He's looking for a job again. He's drifting into La
We don't know where it came from. Why here he's
here and he's looking for a job. He gets turned down.
He stumbles upon the blind Street Preacher's in an important
character in the movie, in the Hindsight, and he says

(48:10):
that humans are owned by masters, all right, And then
he walks by in Nada, walks by a guy who's
just staring at the TVs and and he's out in
the streets freezing to death, while this lady watches the
TV's old woman watches the TV with on the TV
as another woman who's yearning to be famous, So I

(48:30):
just want nothing else to be famous in the world.
All of this while a helicopter kind of flies overhead,
kind of showing you, like the surveillance that that everybody's
kind of under so so many things happening at once.
It's like you'll see how like how close he kind
of is to like the rest of the world where
he's on the streets freezing the death, but yet there's
a woman living comfortably in her home watching TV not

(48:53):
even twenty feet away. And then also you're under the
watchful eye of the police who's kind of like surfacing
and missing the area, just looking for folks. And this
kind of sets the tone right off the path of
what this movie is about and what it is trying
to tell you. Uh, and we're not that far off
from now, I think in reality in five.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
U way further in that direction, especially like in way
of that like the consumption capitalism and consumption are are
basically guiding people like you. You don't have individualism, you
are exactly what you're consuming and everybody's consuming the same
thing and like it. To me, that's like gotten even

(49:37):
worse with social media and things like that, Like there's
no individuals. It's it's kind of all like status quo
and we're all, you know, following the same trends, doing
the same thing. And with social media interface more and more,
it's it's like that. So yeah, I just think it's
this is a timeless now knowing what you know, all
of the like capitalism and again, consumption of TV show,

(50:00):
all this stuff that that it's this is like a
timeless movie. Incredibly timeless.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, well ahead of its time if anything.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, because it definitely speaks to a
lot of things that are happening in our society today.
Another scene move on to a Nada. He pulls up
on a construction site that's apparently a union site, looking
for work, and they just let him work. And it's like,
wait a second, they said this is a union site,
Like you don't get to work here?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
What's up with that? I feel like that's how union works,
you just show up, right.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I feel like in Philly, a very big union town
that does that does not happen. If anything, he gets
beat up and then never see it, never comes back
to that site again.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
But then he meets Frank, who's also working on the
same site, and they you know, he takes him to
a well, pretty well run homeless encampment that's run by
a church. Uh. Church is pretty much responsible for the
food that the people eat at the homeless encampment. And
I put in my notes, but man, if this is
real life, the cops will break this up in no time,
like sad.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Say what and guess what happened?

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
But and I don't say that like in a jovial way,
like that's just something that does happen in society. Unfortunately,
when you have people who are unhoused living on the
streets and they kind of congregate together and encampment uh
cities like Philadelphia, they will break it up in the
name of capitalism for the most part.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And that's pretty much it's pretty much capitalism. That's why
that would happen.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
But Frank, we meet Frank. He is from Detroit, Detroit,
I should say Detroit.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Uh. And he's also looking for work. He's working at
the construction site. He's got a wife and two kids. Uh,
and he but he left Detroit because the steel mills
closed in that town, which left him out of a job.
So I guess he's like, I'm looking for work, and
I'm looking for work in la somehow on this random
construction site. But those still mills closing was a real
thing in the eighties, especially in Flint, Michigan, and that

(51:58):
sent that town into hell pretty much. There are documentaries
documenting what happened as a result of industries shutting down
in cities and how it really horribly affected people back
during this time honestly in the eighties. But Frank is

(52:19):
there to pretty much lay out the thesis of the movie,
all right, and he's pretty much pissed about it, right.
I think he represents John Carpenter in my opinion, Frank
and how angry he is about everything, and he pretty
much says greed is bad. They're rich and powerful, sell
you a dream and that you can never reach by

(52:40):
telling you, hey, hard work pays off.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Meanwhile, they'll lay you off.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
While they're putting an extension on their house. They give
themselves a raise while you broke. It always cracks me
up when like a billionaire baseball owners are like too
cheap to pay the players and like pay for better players,
and yet their private jet is always fueled up.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Like you know, you can't tell me the.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Pirates owner is living a life of he's living destitute.
I feel like the Pirates owners.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Paycheck to paycheck to keep the Pirates going. You know
he is, You think so, No, ain't no way them
kids go to private school. He's paying for it.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
Yes, he got to put somebody that doesn't care about baseball,
Like he got a driver, he got a staff working
at his house, not a person, a staff, But he
can't pay for a better baseball team.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
You know, it's the money just isn't there.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Yeah, go ahead, And I think one of the really
cool moments and lines in this I think kind of
happens right around where we're talking because Frank and him
or are talking about you know, work and basically na
As says I, I believe in America and whatnot, Like

(54:07):
I believe in the almost like the American dream, but
it wasn't even the American dream.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Just like the.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Vision what this country was supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Right hard work, like the right hard work and just
following the status quo and capitalism will will work its
way in your favor eventually, but then like once, once
he starts to see those truths of like the people
next to him like aren't really for him, like the
alien he puts on the sunglasses and like, okay, the

(54:37):
people next to him are aliens. Like so he starts, uh,
he starts to kind of question like Okay, these are
probably bad things and they're ugly people.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
But more and more goes on, like you started. Really
it's like you can't trust anyone, and so it's it's
really like that.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
It's it all starts in the beginning there of he
is somebody that believes in the whole machine of capitalism
if he just stays in the status quo to work,
but then immediately immediately turns into I need to break
the status quo because it is not there's nothing I
can trust here, and like completely breaks him in terms
of that. So it's just it establishes really well kind

(55:15):
of his character arc to me.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
He even says at one point, like everybody's got their
struggles or.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Something like that, like something to that effect.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Yes, yep, as if I think it's the same like scene, yeah,
he says that.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Right, and it's like actually no, like like I said,
the pirates owner can't pay for a great baseball team.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Do you think that man struggles in any part of
his life?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah? Right.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
He has a professional chef cooking on his meals, more
than likely, a staff of people in his house, private
transportation everywhere he goes. He ain't struggling. He ain't struggling
like the rest of us are. At least he might
be struggling in other ways, but not the ways.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
We are.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Not to put food on the.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Table, right, which, given the way we're going, who knows
if that's a thing in the next couple of couple
of weeks for a lot of people. But you mentioned
na that he finally realizes kind of something, something's wrong, right,
and he sees while he's watching TV, these the feeds
get interrupted by a man credited as the Bearded Man.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
This is who I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
And he's telling people about how everyone has been placed
under an artificially induced sleep, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
And you know the.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
People that see this, they hate the hacker. They call
him the hacker, like they don't like them because he
kind of interrupts their.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
You know, they're they're entertainment, right.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Imagine if you're scrolling through Instagram and all of a sudden,
somebody's come telling you, like, yo, man.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
We're in danger. He'm like, man, get out of here.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
I'm swiping.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
And so what it does too, it actually takes like
it takes a physical.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Toll on them.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
So I love that where it like interrupts again this
like normal thing, normal TV show that they're consuming, interrupts
them for something that they almost have to like think about,
or it's like it's telling them, hey, think, wake up
kind of stuff, and it physically like takes a toll
on them.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
They're like, oh, I have a headache. This is killing
my head. So I love that.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Using that kind of as a metaphor as well, it's like, okay, well,
once once you are kind of taken out of that
slumber of going through the same normal stuff, watching the
same normal things, once something real kind of breaks through
and is trying to wake you up that it's hard
to and like you're just kind of physically stuck in it,
and once like trying to get you out of it's
painful and hard and it hurts kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
And as literally, what could you can relate that to
today when it comes to like social media and not
work on social media. And I'm scrolling through social media
because I work on social media. But you can get
caught scrolling through social media for what.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
I yeah, I did. I do it all the time.
I get caught in like a slumber of just scrolling,
just scrolling.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
And I try not to do it for hours, but
I can spend a solid forty five minutes the least
doing it, just scrolling through watching videos, getting that dopamine
fix over and over again.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
And like you said, it's like you're sleep.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
You just gone to the world.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
For how long in your world? You're in your world?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
And in this case, it's not you know, in real
In today's case, it's social media. We can relate it
to social media in some sense, but back in the
eighties that didn't exist. So they're just watching television, right,
So he's breaking through on their feeds, and he says
they they have created a repressive society where the poor
and under class that those numbers are growing, right, and

(58:39):
the rich, you know, they're winning, but the poor, under class,
there's more and more of these people. And he said
racial injustice and human rights are non existent. Their intention
to rule rest with the annihilation of consciousness. We have
been lulled into a trance and they have made us
indifferent to our and others. We are focused only on

(59:03):
our own gain. And he says they are safe as
long as they are not discovered. There that is their
primary method of survival. Keep us sleep, keep us I
think us sleep either way. I maybe not have quoted
that directly, but he said, keep us selfish, keep us sedated.
We are the cattle. We are being bred for slavery.

(59:26):
So it's like in a lot of ways he's saying
a lot right clearly there with this. But I think
this is again another clear thesis of the movie. It's
not really hiding. We're just trying to tell you. This
guy is telling you exactly what he thinks about society
at that point in nineteen eighty eight. But we can

(59:47):
easily relate this to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Easily.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I'm just like to a worst degree, like an almost
like inescapable degree.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Now with so media, Yeah, I think social media is
the thing that you can easily like say, like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
This is what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Back in the eighties, it was TV, right, yeah, right,
but that only lasted for so long. TV Back in
the day was shut off at eleven thirty midnight. But
social media is constant and it's for you, your algorithm, so
it can show you everything that you want to see.
What TV isn't like that, you don't want to watch
eleven o'clock news, you turn it off, but you don't

(01:00:29):
have to watch eleven o'clock news. These days, there's kids
who did not grow up watching it eleven o'clock news.
My kid did not grow up watching it, watching it
eleven o'clock news. But she don't stay up to that point.
But she don't why would she start? Where would she start?
Where was her injury points for the eleven PM news?

(01:00:50):
I don't know for her. Honestly, she's fourteen, she's gonna
be grown in a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
I mean the entry voting age, the anentry point, it's
just the eleven o'clock news, just whatever you're scrolling through
at that that that moment pretty much like that's that's
how you get your news. That's and yeah, how they
well and of course like getting towards uh, the later
parts of this, but I I thought it was kind

(01:01:21):
of fascinating how he used news.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
And also like he had a because Robert Roger.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Ebert and Gene Siskel had so he he portrayed them
in that too, and portrayed them as the elitist like aliens,
so like critics are elitists.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
So it's just kind of he just rejects.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Holy it seems like Carpenter of how people are kind
of getting critical thinking of their news and stuff like
that and broadcast stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
So yeah, I found that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
I don't know if there was anything like too deep there,
but it's just like his perspective on it was certainly interesting.
It was more of like I don't think it's Carpenter
saying anything too much about that part of the world,
but more of just like he doesn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, he just he just thinks it's all part of
it kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I mean, I don't I can see the correlation in
what he's saying, like as far as Hollywood in this case, yeah, right,
being a part of the machine that he dislikes, Like
he just wasn't part of that machine. And he never
really had like massive commercial success really outside of Halloween
when you really think about it, But he created so

(01:02:36):
many creative classics, like the people just rocked with the
streets love John Carpenter, but the critics and the machine
didn't always love him.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Yeah, and that's that he doesn't like it, right, And
that's what I like about movies. Movies are all about
like perspectives and you know, the perspectives of the characters,
the people who were writing the characters, all that, and
John Carpenter definitely it was more of like he hates critics.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
His critics.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
It seems he views them as the elitist, like the
people that are trying to control you, Like all the
critics are telling you not to watch this, They're they're
controlling what you consume. When that's like my perspective of
it isn't that. But it's just funny to see him
very clearly take a shot at that in the movie.
So it's just like I love that stuff. They're like, yeah,
that's something Carpenter doesn't like. He as a person, very

(01:03:24):
angry at that kind of that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Sort of Yeah, this is definitely Carpenter's probably angriest movie,
like as far as his messaging and how.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
He depicted his movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Obviously his base off a short story, but he could
have changed things for the movie. Yeah, I don't know
how much he changed or not. But this movie, on
his face is John Carpenter giving a big middle finger
to the establishment pretty much.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Well yeah, I mean literally, the one of the last
shots of the movie is a literal middle finger from
Roddy Piper. It's just like, yeah, Carpenter really like just
lay it on there, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
I kind of respect that's again it's it's a little
kp because like he leaves it on thick and sometimes
I really like that. He actually criticized a movie recently,
like just as we're recording this, like the same day,
criticize the substance, even though I find.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
They have a classic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yeah, it's really.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Great that one doesn't hide anything. It actually like just
goes so far into what it's what its themes are,
and so to an outland a state that like it's
it's satirical of it and like very good. It's funny
that John Carpenter doesn't like that movie and like they
Live just seems like that same thing. There is nothing

(01:04:46):
subtle about these things. You are very blatantly uh in
an action movie like like not kill the Elitist, but
like f you, I don't like you, like you're you're
you're trying to the world like there was nothing subtle
about this movie. What makes it work though, is can't
be cheesy, actionly over the top and very just like it.

(01:05:08):
It just goes headfirst into all of it without any
apologies whatsoever, which is what I like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Very unapologetic and again not subtle, but still I think
thought provoking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
And we've said timeless. I think once or twice a
hear already, So yeah, it's definitely timeless. I find it
to be timeless.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah, it's definitely resonates, I think to this day in
the substance. I haven't seen it yet, but from what
I've heard, it's, you know, maybe one of those type,
one of those ones that will hit even you know,
years from now. But back to move to the movie
real quick, not a he uh sees the message, but
eventually scopes out that the church need the encampment is
kind of in on something. He goes in there and

(01:05:49):
here's a choir, but it's apparently not no one's singing.
Actually it's a tape recording of a choir because they're
in there. The resistance is in there, plotting on the establishment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
He finds the sunglasses for the first time. He doesn't
put them on yet, but he finds him as like, oh,
what are these? He scared off by the street preacher
who says, like you need to see this or whatever.
But it turns out the church is a hub for
the resistors who are out here committing all kinds of
crimes on the streets, including bank robbery, and the news

(01:06:23):
is depicting them as like a criminal cult, but I
guess in reality, they're just resistors of the establishment, right,
and they're trying to make a big fuss about what's
going on in the world, so they trying to cause
attention to what they're doing. Unfortunately for them, the cops
are closing in, and they closing in too such a
degree that they break up the encampment, which what, like

(01:06:44):
I said earlier, Oh the cops are going to break
this up anytime soon, right, Yes, they did, Like it
didn't take long before they broke up this homeless encampment
that was out there next to the church, and they
moved in with force.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
All right, they're breaking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Stuff up, they're setting stuff on fire, and it's it's honestly,
and I put this in my worst scene in the
movie like as far as like just seeing it makes
me feel good because they depicted it as like it
was like a tidal wave moving in and like in
the disaster movie where people are running and screaming for
their lives, which I'm sure does happen. Like imagine if

(01:07:17):
you're home, however makeshift it is, it's all of a sudden,
just knocked down by the people who are supposed to
protect you. So I can only imagine how that would feel,
what that was like. And they seemed like they had
a decent thing going there until the cops came through
and knocked it all down. But the movie, you know,

(01:07:38):
eventually they break up the encampment and it's a really
like a rough scene with the encampent. I'll talk about
it more later. But Nada gets a hold of the
glasses at some point and he starts seeing what's really
happening in the world, and he's like, what in the
world is going on? It's messages everywhere that are commands
to the people, and and we buy in to all

(01:08:02):
of it, apparently right, But he's trying to get Frank
on board.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Frank wants no parts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
And we'll talk about I'm sure later the fight team
between the two and just how much Frank is very
stubborn and he does not want to wear these glasses
all right, But eventually Frank runs into Holly, who is
just from right off the bat oddly cooperative because clearly
she working for the ops, and she eventually reveals herself

(01:08:31):
to be an assistant program director for Cable fifty four,
which is like the big cable conglomerate in town that
is helping the mind controllers here control the people's minds.
They eventually try to knock out the signal at Cable
fifty four. Nada and Frank eventually team up after fighting
each other for a very long time, they team up

(01:08:52):
to take over the signal that is going on from
the top of Cable fifty four. They go up there
and they all kinds of havoc and the movie ends
with not a accomplishing the mission of knocking out the signal, uh,
but in the process getting shot and by the police

(01:09:13):
and we assume dying because we don't see him again
for the rest of the movie. But he does succeed
in knocking out the signal, which reveals all the aliens
to the public, and there's a one hilarious scene of
the guy sitting in the bar looking up at the
TV and he doesn't know he's been outed as an
alien and knowing people people are looking at him like,

(01:09:34):
oh what the hell, Oh Lord, get him stop him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Uh but yeah, so we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
See what That was funnier than the one right before
the credits roll where.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
They're oh, man, they're doing having relationships.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
They Yeah, it was funnier.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
It's just like that's that's one of like, oh yeah,
John Carpenter couldn't help himself and have some fun with this. Yeah,
that last one with the sex scene, I was like, yeah,
that's just Carpenter, Like I just I was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Like, whoa, not expecting that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
But the bar one is definitely ten times funnier. He
just at the bar looking like nothing's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
I did also love the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Nada and Frank's Homi from The Homeless Encampment, who was you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Know, what the hell is going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
He eventually sold out or I don't know if he
was a sell off from the beginning. He might have
been a double agent.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
He sold out. Now I think he sold out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah, but he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
They meet him later on in the movie and they
revealed like, oh my god, the Homeboys sold out and
they pretty much used him to like infiltrate the the
the alien encampment. They just kind of crossed their arms
and like so much, what you so much? What you're
doing up in here? And they're looking around. You can
tell they looking angrily at him. Oh yeah, got this.
Huh oh, y'all got this too. Huh oh, y'all got

(01:11:08):
this too. But he eventually is like, hey man. One
of the lines of the movie that for me that
hit home is family hit home. But like I understood
it to this day was we all sell out every day.
Might as well be on the winning team. And it's like, damn,
I think a lot of people just like to say
that they're on the winning side. That's what it comes

(01:11:31):
down to a lot of times, right, I just want
to be I just want to be a winner because
I've lost a lot in my life probably up until
this point. I just want to be on the winning
side for once.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's aliens that are taking
over the world.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
It's just like, hey, it's a lot easier to do.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Things just to just go with it and to just
go with what they want and go with it, and yeah,
that whole sale. That's a very good kind of metaphor
for him, going from the encampment all the way to
selling out and just like it's easier.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
It's just easier to do things this way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, just want to be a winner, being a winning team.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
And one thing I wanted to note before we kind
of get into our format here was Roddy Piper. He
got really caught up in Holly really fast. I mean,
she was a beautiful woman in all she has strikingly
beautiful eyes and all that, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
You came from nothing, Why did you trust her so much?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
She's clearly working for the ops.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
Yeah, that's one part I was kind of struggling with
because she works for that cable company. And I guess
like he also went through in not every single one
of them a aliens, and he was nice to them
as well, some people that were in the cable broadcast building.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
But yeah, it's just like he knew that that was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
How they were being able to broadcast this signal to
like put people to sleep, but yet like inherently trusted
her a couple of times, and so like, I think
it also helped. One way it helped is she did
end up going to where they were the hideout for
the resistance, and she went there and gave them information

(01:13:14):
on how to infiltrate kind of this broadcast building and
and like gave.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Him some good information.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
So it's like, I think there was something working that
she she probably in a way knew what was happening
at the like at the cable station, and that she
wanted to help. But also again it just comes back
to the point of like, well, maybe it's just better
to do things this way, and she tries to convince
them of that at the end. Yeah, her character is

(01:13:42):
the one I'm most confused by, and like where exactly
she she where her allegiance slide. I guess the only
thing that it did right was that you didn't know
whether the trust or not. And that's really the whole point.
That's kind of like who can you trust? But the
thing is like why why did he trust her in
the first place? Is where I have my like questions, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
He's got heats, you know, your brother got needs. I
agree with you, John. I think she was kind of like, well,
like maybe I should help him, you know what, I
like the status quo, should I should help him? That's
why I shouldn't kill at the end, you know, she killed.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah, maybe she wanted to do the deed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Hey yo, well, I mean that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
And she killed Frank.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Come on, man, the best character in the movie in
my opinion, and they kind of killed him with the
spoiler alert a white transition flash like pow and that
like damn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Not Frank, not Frank, the good brother Frank, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
But yes to the end almost but they live. It's
I feel like we talked about the Move movie a
lot already in the themes and things like that, but
one of my favorites. Honestly, I watched it again and
it kind of like it's kind of bleak because again,
it kind of relates to what's happening a lot in
a lot of ways to today. But as far as
a movie that's ahead of its time and also well

(01:15:15):
executed and well just kind of like put together from
a thematic, from a mood, from a performance standpoint, just
a well done short, not super long neither like ninety minutes,
you know a little over ninety I think, just a

(01:15:38):
good type movie, man, and that it delivers a punch
in that time. It didn't be three hours to get
across everything it wanted to get across. And it had
a clear, clear vision, which you know, sometimes having a
layered vision or complicated vision I get, but sometimes having
a clear vision is also good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
In this movie got as much as a cross.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Yeah, I am a very someone who likes I love
subtlety in movies, and sometimes things that are unspoken are
a lot better than things that can be spoken. But
in this movie, it's like it's very aggressively being satirical
about something haves like just something very loud to say
and like just wants to say it loudly. That's also

(01:16:24):
really good too, and I think that can be done
very well. Again, I think The Substance is a good
example of that, and I think They Live is an awesome,
awesome example of just like, yeah, man, just kind of
want to give the middle finger to capitalism and all
of that, and like just do it as loud as
possible and like a kick ass movie with.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Roddy Piper at the helm.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
So yeah, yeah, it's really great and like I do
love So there's a point in this movie, and I think, Nick,
what you were talking about it where he first finds
the glasses, like it's kind of taken him a while.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
And I get like that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
But to me, to me, what helped it is it
is literally the anticipation of when Roddy Piper finally just snaps,
like because the entire time he's still trying to figure
it out and like listening to these people and like
the more he's observing them and hearing him talk like
kind of the uglier it sounds, and like the less

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human they sound. And finally he goes to the one
older lady and he says, take these glasses. You already
don't look great. I put them on and you're a
real ugly bitch. And I'm like, yes, face, that is
so perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
You cool this one really ugly.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
Spot and delivered just like and again the only person
who can Roddy, you know, Rody pipe away that so
well that I was cackling after that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I was dying. Who else could have done that scene
better than Roddy Piper. No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
I think in the movies, like it's hard to get
your WF promo voice into like a movie line, you know,
like Cogan didn't really do it. And obviously in the
beginning of Roddy Piper. You're like, we're not gonna and
then that line it really sounded like WF Roddy Piper
in the ring on the mic, you know, like it

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just made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
You really and ugly.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
So it's so good, like finally just let it all
out of what he was observing of these people on fire,
just like what it just said. It as blatant as possible,
like you're real f and ugly, Like so good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Let's get into our format. Let's get into the favorites.
Our favorite scene.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
From They Live. I'll start it off real quick with it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
You might agree, but the fight between Nada and Frank
is not only the best scene in this movie, but
one of the best fight scenes in cinematic history.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Period. Okay, so let me set it up for you, right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Nada, as Jansen said earlier, has snapped to the point
that he has murdered multiple cops and shot up a bank. Okay,
and he's shot only aliens to this point.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
But in like, people don't know that they're aliens. That
all they know is he murdered people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Right, He's the only one that knows they're aliens, but
everybody else is like he just shot up a bank
and shot multiple cops. He is America's most wanted At
this point, Frank is like, here, here's one week's pay
from the site.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Get away from me, as.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Right into the right, into the box of sunglasses and nadas, like, look,
you gotta pill on these glasses, bro, because you'll see
what I'm seeing. Frank wants no parts because, like we
talked about earlier, he's got something to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
He's got a wife, he's got two kids, right, Monique
and Unique.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
He ain't dad, all right, that's a Beverly Hills cop
joke right there for anybody listening out there. But he's
willing to fight for them, and he literally does. Okay,
there's no music, there's no fancy mute moves. It's just
two just grizzled vets out there fighting in a dank alley,

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grunting yelling.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Just.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Backlop broad no gold Doest, just Frank Armadist slash Keith David.
And to me, Frank's lines were hysterical and he got
punched the face of God. God, he's so mad that
he got hit in the face. Then he knocks, he
knocks nodded down and then he puts his hand out
to pick him back up, just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
To punch him back down on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I told you I'm not putting on these glasses, bro,
I'm gonna tell you again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Pow beat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
They beat the daylights out of each other, all kinds
of screaming and grunting and stuff like that. Not A
grabbed a board at one point and try to hit
Frank and but he missed. Frank dodged it, but he
knocked out the back of a car window and Frank
looked at us like, oh my god, he tried to
kill me. The way he did it, it was like

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he's taking aback by that couldn't believe that. Not to
try to hit him with a board. He has a
bottle in his hand. He tries to break it to
stab Naa, but it shatters, so he has no bottle left.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
This whole thing. Not apologizing. After he breaks the windshield,
he's like sorry, and then he sees Frank with the
broken bottle and he starts laughing at it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I'm coy right now because not like that's pretty funny,
because now that the whole time, it's like, please just
wear the glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
He's not trying to fight it doesn't want to fight him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
But he's like, just put on the glasses, bro, like
please not. And Frank is not hearing any any of it.
Frank is the most stubborn man of all time. Yeah,
most stubborn.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
But again, I think if if he were to put
on the glasses, it's the whole thing. Like now he's
he doesn't want to see whatever truth that that not
a scene, right like he does.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Who sublimerately already that Yeah, I don't. I don't want
to because I know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
Right, I don't think he knows exactly what he'll see,
but he knows that whatever he sees may not just
go nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
So like I don't want to be involved. I don't
I don't need this.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
So like it is legitimately like very funny how those
two play the scene and like the whole fight like
goes on.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
There were like what two or three times where I
thought it was over, Like it's just like slowly walks
over to each other and then starts.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
To see where Frank walks away. It's like gathered and
then literally just walks up on him and Frank.

Speaker 7 (01:22:56):
Is like it's so not again, But it also it's
like yeah, because not in now is is at this point,
it's like trying to get people to see the truth,
but it's really hard to and you gotta literally fight
somebody that you like to get them to see that truth.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
But then, and it's one of my favorite lines of
the movie too. It's like you're either gonna You're either
gonna put on those sunglasses or I'm gonna throw you
against the trash or something like that, Like you see,
that's like it's a perfect line of this is like
you're either you're either gonna to see this truth with
me or you're you're nothing to marror your trash to me.

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And like that's just how serious he was on what
he saw, what the truth that he wanted people to see.
So like it's a perfect scene. It's like everything that
this movie was was it was action, it was funny,
it was serious, there was a lot of depth to it.
Like this scene was perfect. It's it's a perfect scene.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Yeah, and you mentioned the depth in the seriousness because
is as humorous as it is. When not A is
just persistent, he just he just won't stop, Like Frank
literally like who catching his breath and Nada just walks
over and not It turns around like a Frank turns.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Around, like what you're still here?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Like, but like Nada is so intent on having the
literally the one person he cares about it is Frank.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
He doesn't have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
This, but it's so serious and you you kind of
forget that in the humor of it. But Nada is
doing probably the right thing, Like you have to see
what I'm seeing right now.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Yeah, he's like, it could save it could save your
wife and children kind of right. He says that in
the middle of the fight too, So yeah, it's like that,
that's how serious he's taking.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
As much as it's like, nah, to just give it up,
but it's like, no, it's actually it really is that serious.
It's that level of seriousness that you gotta see this
because it could liberate you potentially from whatever we're going
through right now, and like that that's the that's the
the dichotomy of the scene is like it's funny, it's
action packed, like you said, but it's dead serious, like

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it's played totally straight by the actors and the writing
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Just so happened is funny, But when you really think about.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
It, it's deep, bro, Like it's kind of like the
desperation that not has to like have some have an
ally in the situation is exactly exactly on ten. But
I'll leave it to you guys. What were some of
your favorite What was your favorite scene? I should say
the one favorite scene I have honorable mentions, But what

(01:25:34):
was your favorite scene from uh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
They?

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
Yeah, I said the one where he called her a
really really f and ugly and yes, the fight scene.
Those are my two favorites by far.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
And I'm all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Out so honorable mention because yeah, the fight scene is
the best scene of the movie. But yeah, this was.
I actually had this as number one until the fight scene,
just because I didn't realize where that line came from,
uh till I got you know, I guess social media

(01:26:23):
really like the I would see it and hear it.
You know. It was one of the first ever like movie,
Like I have friends that quote movies all the time
and didn't know that was from this movie. You know,
Like it's crazy that I had friends who don't even
like wrestling that were quoting Roddy Piper. Didn't even realize it.

(01:26:44):
So yeah, that's again one of the greatest cinematic lines.
Uh you know that ever ever and apparently ad libbed,
because I think even John Carpenter said so, and Roddy
Piper before he passed away hadn't mentioned that, Yeah, I
needed to say something and that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Head.

Speaker 5 (01:27:07):
And I think it's because I've seen it, because I
always like reading reviews after and I real quick got
to read a few like blurbs from stuff, and I
was like, there was some criticism and just like how
rowdy Roddy Piper like delivered some of his lines.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
But I'm just like, I don't know, man, I actually
think it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
As an actor, he did pretty well in that moment
where like as you just said, Nick, where Carpenter couldn't
figure out, what do you say? You just walked into
a bank with a shotgun and a pistol, and it's like, well,
what are you supposed to say? Like, no matter what
you say, people think you were going through like you
were robbing this tour. So he says it in just
like a like a very good like he really like
Roddy Piper does a good thing. He like slows down,

(01:27:50):
realizes and like kind of lets it sit of like, Okay,
this is not a good situation and delivers that line
just like a okay, like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
A tongue in cheek. It wasn't like gonna kill everybody
here like duck.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
It's just like I'm gonna I'm here to chew bubble
gum and kick ass.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
And a lot of bubble gum. It's like what else,
It's so great. Yeah, I'm just here to kick some as.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
It's Yeah, that's that's incredible. I had that as non
Ambole mentioned as well. It's wild that he's in a
bank shooting it up, even though he only shoots the aliens.
He literally doesn't shoot a cop who looks normal, he's
a normal human being, and he tells him to beat
his feet, so he's only shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Aliens, one of which zaps away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Which is kind of wild. But yeah, that's that. That
line alone makes the scene iconic. The rest of the
scene is pretty rough. It's kind of crazy. He shoots
up the bank, pretty much shoots multiple people in the bank,
but it starts off with such a legendary line that
it's like it's literally on T shirts like him with
the shades on. I've seen that shirt in the streets

(01:28:59):
in the past. So yeah, it's it's an iconic one.
I will also add, excuse me as an honorable mention
the time when he puts on the glasses for the
first time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I know that took a while.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
For you, unique, but it's to me it's the movie.
Like it's literally the premise of the movie is when
he puts on the glasses for the first time. That's
where it's like, wow, this is this is the movie
to me. This is the crux of the movie. When
he first puts on the glasses and the first thing
he sees is Obey, which is like whoa you know,

(01:29:38):
which also is became the basis of a long running
like poster and clothing line where that says obey at
the bottom it came from they live and the face
that's above it is Andre the Giant's face. I don't
know many people knew that, but there are other lines

(01:29:58):
that or other things that mess just that he sees
when he puts on the glasses. One says marry and reproduce,
another one no independent thought. Another one says consume. They're
all hidden like messages, only not to con see them
with the glasses. One says conform, another says submit, Another
one says work.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Eight hours, sleep eight hours, stay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Asleep, watch TV.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
If it was twenty twenty five, it'd say stay on
social media, keep scrolling right, doom scroll right, doom scroll
as we call it. And again, I work on social media.
But I know this is what's happening. At the same time,
I know what the purpose of these platforms are. He's
reading the magazine and that's when he sees a person

(01:30:43):
and like loses his mind. It's like, oh God, that's
an alien. But even the money that he has has
messages on it. It says, this is your God. Again
not subtle about what he feels about money and capitalism
and general well, he relates money to being people's god,
which I mean, look, let's be honest. In our society,

(01:31:09):
we are slaves of the almighty dollar. Like we get
up every day hoping to earn a living, to pay
our bills, or to go on vacation, or to buy
a pair of sneakers or whatever the case may be.
You gotta have money to live in this society that
we live in. You're kind of beholden to it. So
in one way it might feel like, ah, I ain't

(01:31:30):
beholding to it, But another way we kind of are
kind of are, whether you want to admit it or not.
It's a hard truth, the hard truth. But yeah, he's
seeing it all. And he also hears the signal that
says sleep over and over again, and he's just freaking

(01:31:52):
out because there's aliens walking among us. One of them
is talking about crappy tortillas. They all, for one, when
he's listening, listens into the alien conversations, they're all boring conversations,
by the way, or like them being horrible people, Like
the one is like talling his friend like oh man, yeah,
it's easy for you to say you got the promotions,

(01:32:12):
like well, if you worked harder, you would have got.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
It too, and it's like something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
It was like damn, Like they're all terrible people talking
about tortillas and stuff like that. It's real bad. And
that's when he bumps into the uh the old lady,
it says like from outa high face, which is crazy.
But yeah, he the problem was that he spoke a
little too much and they started noticing, like, oh, he

(01:32:38):
can see he's here with this. They called him out
like description white male, brown hair, shoulder length about six
to one, like there was the cops and then they
ended up killing multiple cops. He shot multiple cops, he
were aliens. It was it was a wild It was
a wild time. I also add the ending to the

(01:32:59):
movie movie where we talked about it earlier. Not given
the middle finger to the to the signal as he's
being destroyed. Yeah, again, no subtlety in John Carpenter's game
in this movie. But John, what was your worst scene
from They Live.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
Only?

Speaker 5 (01:33:19):
Because again, it was supposed to be the scene I
guess where they established maybe why there should be trusted
in Holly, but it's when they go back. He basically
kidnaps her, has her drive him to her house and
really nothing nothing happens that scene, like nothing enough to
where it establishes, like, Okay, this is where the trust is.

(01:33:42):
He just asked her to put the glasses on and
she like kind of refuses, and he's like, well you
you should see what's going on here, what's really and
then he tries to turn on there's something with the
TV and basically hits him in the back of head
with glad like a vase or something, and that's about it,
Like doesn't estabi blush enough of like what is what
is trustworthy or untrustworthy about this person?

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Like it just yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
I feel like there should have been much more that
that was established there because later on it plays such
a big role in in the in the movie, and
like the end.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Of it, he basically tries to rescue her from the station, Like, yes,
they could have got the job done a lot sooner
if he didn't go after Holly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Yes, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
So it's just like, yeah, it's just like why does
he why does he inherently put so much trust that
That's the scene I feel like needed to be a
lot more than it was.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Nick, what was your worst scene.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
From that same scene? I kind of liked it just
because I did not expect Holly to like push him
through the window, and I was just like oh snap, like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Oh yeah, he came out of nowhere.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
It's like oh wow, yeah, he's just like falling out
of a glass window, like all the way down, Like okay.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
He's fine, He's okay, Like he that's the biggest he's taken,
you know, just bounce back. But uh yeah, we're seeing
kind of what alluded to what Vond said earlier when
they were kind of tearing down the encampment during the
course of that, and also kind of destroying the church

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across the street, police beating up the hacker and the priests.
I just thought, yeah, they it looked bad. Like it
wasn't like, oh, believable fighting, you know, like it was
just like it all looked like they were afraid to
hit each other or something. I thought that was like
the worst acting I've seen the whole movie. So yeah,

(01:35:33):
that was my worst scene. I just was like, really,
that is what we're getting here. Why not just clipped
their knees or something, or like, I mean acts or
I don't know, I mean, it just looked brutal the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
I think brutal is a good word for it, but
I think for a different reason, not because it was
poorly executed, but for what it was conveying.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
I thasage behind it, not the physical nature right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Like, to me, that was my least favorite scene to
watch this because it was kind of tough to watch
us in general, like it doesn't feel like something that
couldn't happen, especially the breaking up of the homeless encampment,
which has happened in multiple cities across this country, but
then seeing them target I mean, not really target They
just captured the preacher and the bearded man and just

(01:36:20):
brutalized them and far as we know, killed them, like
we see not a kind of get away from them,
but you hear their voices and then you hear the
hits to their I guess bodies, but you don't hear
their voices for much longer. They're dead assumingly, And I
guess it's brutal because they beat the daylights at them.
They didn't stab them, they didn't shoot them. They just

(01:36:42):
beat them to death, which is like, that's even more
brutal than just shooting them, right like, So it felt
like and they it felt like they also targeted these guys.
They captured the leaders of this resistance and then made
an example out of them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
So that was pretty tough to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
I'm not gonna lie, Yeah, so that was That was
a pretty dark scene.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
I think too. I put my notes because Nada takes
a kid. He kind of helps a kid get away
from the cops while they're still landing blows on the
bearded man in the street, preacher and again while their
voices eventually go quiet, but he takes a kid and
they hide in a room with another group of people,
one of which is doing drugs actively. It's like, hey,

(01:37:26):
you know, just another day in paradise pretty much. But
they're all scared in this room, hiding from the police,
hoping they won't get brutalized at the very least. So yeah,
it was a very dark end to pretty much the
first act of the movie. And then people came back
the next day and they found the encampment burnt down

(01:37:49):
pretty much better enough, they knocked it down, but they
also burnt it down. It's like, damn, you can't even
have a trace of what you had. You know, you
didn't have much, and whatever you had they burnt up.
You can't even have what you had, what little you had.
Like that's just it was tough for me. So not
really from an execution standpoint, but from what it conveyed.

(01:38:11):
I also add Frank's death as a bad scene because
it's like, why did we kill Frank?

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Damn we had to kill Frank in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
But I want to move on to favorite performance, Nick,
what was your favorite performance from They Live?

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
You just said it. Frank. Frank was great, a great
character throughout. I think you took him. I found it
funny that he'd ever asked for the name about it, Like,
no one knows not his name at all.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
I don't think he gives his name in the movie
at all.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
We only say we only say nada because that's what
it says in the credits. But he is not referred
to it all by his name. No one asks his
name either, So I thought that was interesting throughout the movie.
But I think Frank, just in general, was the best character.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
John.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Yeah, I'm going I'm going not a and especially just
Roddy Piper's portrayal of it. Frank like great character and
like great performance by Keith David.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
But again, this this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
Doesn't there's such a so many different genres and tones
it's it's using and Roddy Piper, like again, he has
a charm of being like a for as much of
a wrestler as he was, and an entertainer. Again, there
was something kind of always like very raw and charming
about Roddy Piper and fit this like drifter who's kind

(01:39:39):
of just curious what's what's happening at this homeless encampment
and all these things, and that curiousness leads him to
all all of you know, finding out everything. But it's
just it's a perfect role for Roddy Piper. It's it's
such a great performance. And man, I was I was
definitely like, I know this has been talked about because
we always talk about you know, wrestler's turned to actors

(01:40:02):
and maybe Roddy Piper's acting career. You know, he wasn't
the greatest actor whatever, but I just, man, I thought
he was perfect in this movie. And again it was
more of I don't know what they build it around,
if they built around Roddy Piper, or Piper just fit
into this world they built.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
But either way it works so well. You bring I
inspect the Roddy Piper cameo there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
But I think you bring up a good point in
that this might be the single greatest performance from a
wrestler in a movie. Yeah, Like, Batista's done pretty well
in some movies, The Rock, you know, He's done a
bunch of movies.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
I think Batista is the best actor wrestler turned to
actor consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Yeah, yes, but in terms of like roles and how
they played, like, yeah, this is up there. For me,
it's like a singular performance.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
This might be number one as far as wrestler turned
actor because again it was just Taylor made for Roddy Piper.
I will also but I would give Roddy Piper an
antible mentioned still, I would agree with Nick. I think
Keith David as Frank is the kind of the straw
that starts to drink in the movie. He kinda gives

(01:41:16):
the movie the voice and the attitude that it's really
trying to convey. I think Nada is like the exception, he's,
you know, the chosen one kind of deal as far
as like he's the one that goes against the grain
or Frank. You kind of understand Frank because he's a
lot of people got significant others and children that they
had to look after and they don't have time to

(01:41:37):
be getting in this trouble that not is getting them into.
But Nada doesn't have anything to lose, so he can
get into this good trouble, I guess, so to speak
right as the term has been coined not that long ago.
So yeah, I think Keith David, especially during the fight scene,
and it's just Keith David is incredible as an actor.
In so many movies he plays and it sounds stereotypical,

(01:42:00):
but he plays a good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Angry black man.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
I don't know why, and not every role, but in
the roles he's like just no nonsense character. He's really
good at the Clockers. He's another one when he's just
just like, don't play with me, bro, because you can.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Get dealt with.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Like I get his name in that movie, but I
believe him when he gets into that kind of mode.
And I think he was good in the Thing in
that kind of mode, and he's great in this movie.
And I'll throw in Clockers for that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
I left out loud when I think it was right
before they jumped into the portal he sees as soon
as he sees the cops, he goes, oh shit, like
it's so out of nowhere, you know, Like I didn't
expect that line at all, So I don't I don't
know if that somehow has had lived or not, but
it felt so like not expected. So I was cracking

(01:42:53):
up at that at that line.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Yeah, he's incredible, So we can't say it. I can't
say enough about how talented Keith David is. So I
think he rightfully gets my award at least and Knick's
Award for the best performance in this movie. But I
can't just necessarily disagree with John's choice of Roddy Piper
because I think this is arguably the best wrestler performance

(01:43:17):
in the movie ever, and they live worst performance. I
don't really have a worse performance.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
Yeah, because there's not that many like main or like
significant characters.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Right, there's very It's a very short, like kind of
cast list for this movie is like you said, main
character lists, and they're all really good. So I got
no one, Nick, do.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
You have anybody? She didn't? She had no arc really
like that. Plus the way she died was really bad.
This is false back you don't see blood or anything
like that, Like I get it, Like it's not supposed
to be like a gory movie, but just the way
she died was hilarious. Gets shot and she just falls backwards,

(01:44:04):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
It's like, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
The same way he did too.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
But yeah, I know that the problems may more lie
with like the direction or the screenplay of it all.
But I do think like there could have been a
lot more done by the actor and like certain choices
made there to maybe help us understand more of Holly
and and where her allegiances lie. It just like very
it just felt very expressionless and just like I got

(01:44:34):
nothing from it. I got nothing from her performance at all.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
I think your point is valid and how she was
like kind of expressionless, but for me, that conveyed that
she was a double as like she wasn't really for uh.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
Yeah, and like it can be. I think it's fair
to interpret it that way for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
That's how I took it, like I from because her
You're right, she was kind of like deadpan and like
kind of like very composed throughout her I'm on screen
and a very you know, in a situation where you
don't have to have composure. This guy has pretty much
kidnapped you and taking you to your own home and
said let me in and I'm gonna hang out here
for a little while. So it's understandable if you're like,

(01:45:14):
I'm freaking out right now. But she was very composed
the whole time, which to me says double agent. She
the ops, so look out for and Roddy Piper slash. No.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I did not pick up on that until it was
too late, but just kept falling for it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
I mean, she got she got pretty odds, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Like, oh man, she's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
So she must be good for me psych she for
the ops instead. But yeah, I didn't really have a
worse performance from this movie. Such a good movie overall.
I can't really give that award to anyone in this movie.
But any random thoughts, random notes about They Live from
nineteen eighty eight, I start with you, John, if you

(01:45:59):
had any of thoughts about the movie that we may
not have mentioned so far.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
No, I think we pretty much again mentioned like my
favorite lines of it, especially again really f and ugly,
and like, I don't know, that's when the movie, like
I get it was trying to build up towards this thing,
and it was very good. But once it finally just
like let out, like yeah, you're real f and ugly,
I'm like, yeah, that's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
The same scene where he goes is like putting perfume
on a pig.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it ain't gonna help honey, funny. No.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
Other than that, I think we we kind of went
over everything again more of just the overall like different
kind of things this movie is doing, and it all
comes together through Roddy Piper. It's like, it's really cool
man to see to see Piper in this role. Like
I just I genuinely very much enjoyed seeing like because
the wrestler is one thing, and I like, we always

(01:46:57):
see clips of Roddy Piper two, and it just seemed
like the genuine person, whether you know things he said,
seemed like a good dude for the most part, but
just genuine and real. But see that come to life
in a role so well, and come through in a
role like that so well, it's pretty awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
Uh, Nick, Yeah, we already hit some of my random
thoughts throughout the show. But I did have the line
they had during the I guess the gala at the end,
towards the end of projection projected by twenty twenty five,

(01:47:36):
America and the whole planet will be under the protection
and dominion of that power alliance of the human power elites.
How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Oh man, it's like they've predicted the future or something.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
I did notice that as well.

Speaker 8 (01:47:51):
It's like, oh man, what wait, I don't know what.
Oh I feel like the meme of the I don't
know if you've seen the Judge matthis show with the girls,
just Judge matthis.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
I don't know what she's like.

Speaker 8 (01:48:05):
Yeah, she's like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Damn, That's how I felt when I heard that, Like, wow,
they were they were on it. Twenty five was the year. Damn,
that was the year they just knew somehow. Damn they
got us again, they knew somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
M m mmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
But oddly specific, right, they could have said nineteen ninety
seven like every other movie does, nineteen ninety seven was,
for some reason, the year that things just went down
in movies.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
It's either eighty ninety seven or eighty four. It is
one of those two years, or two thousand. You know,
everything's supposed to go down to two thousand. But they
said in that barroom, like you said, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
H mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
Damn right, that deserves simmons.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
I ain't. That's something.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
But with that, and again, I know that's kind of
a blaque way to look at it, but this movie
doesn't really give a lot of optimism until the end. Honestly,
even then, it doesn't really show a bunch of optimistic things,
besides some people being exposed.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
For who they really are at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
But but yeah, that's what the movie is, man, that's
they live. It's it's still to me a classic to
this day. I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it watch it. Uh,
you know, don't take our word for it. Go watch
it for yourself and you'll see what what what what
they created?

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
Subscribe to Criterion, watch that movie and watch the other
classics that you can see on one of the greatest
streaming services ever, Criteria.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
Exactly other John Carpenter class But let's wrap it up
for episode four forty five, Nick or John, I should say,
let's start off with John.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Take us out with some plugs please.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Uh, you can just follow me at Jay Jansen thirty
four on Twitter for random thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Just about anything you can think of. So yeah, just
follow me there. Yeah. We're gonna be an Oscar season
in a couple of months, so.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
So yeah, we're getting there. All the Oscars movies are
coming out the film Festival. I got to watch a
few really great movies. So yeah, it's uh, it's a
good time for the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
It is a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
And we've got some Halloween. Halloween's coming up this week,
my favorite holiday. That's why we're covering horror movie. You
got any what's your Halloween recommendation? As far as horror
movies this year, Ooh, this.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
Year, there's been some really good horror movie. I would
say Weapons, even though it's not horror horror. I loved
Weapons though, and it's still like a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
It's a horror movie.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yeah, I was still classified it's horror.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Yeah, and I haven't seen it yet, but I heard
Black Phone two actually does really well for sel sequel
and actually, like they say, it's better than the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
So oh, yeah, that's the one I'm excited for.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
I'm a little skeptical of it because like the first
one wrapped up in a nice little bow and it's like,
all right, you're doing a sequel for what?

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
But yeah, it was the same way. I was like
really surprised about it back, but it seems like they
actually had kind of a clear vision for it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Okay, if Ethan Hawk is doing it, he usually does
good movies.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
It's like, all right, we'll see. I'll give it a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Yeah, Ethan Hawk is such a great actor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
I'm probably gonna wait for streaming for that one, but
I will watch it at some point. But I agree
with you on Weapons. I did see that in the
theater Instant Classic. I think it's on HBO Max now
just in time for Halloween. So if you haven't seen
it yet you want to watch a good, fun horror
movie for Halloween, Weapons is the way to go. Even
though I would suggest feeding in the theaters. I don't

(01:51:53):
think it's still in theaters. I doubt it because it's
streaming right now. But yeah, you missed out on that opportunity.
But seeing it at home watch with other people should
be a good time. So yeah, I recommend Weapons as well.
So uh yeah, so this should be fun Halloween good time,
one of my again favorite times of the year. You
got any costumes, Nick, you got any costumes or movie recommendations?

(01:52:15):
I don't think you have movie recommendations. But who were
going to ask for Halloween this year?

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Guys?

Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
Okay, yeah, I have no idea. I know everybody's gonna
go dresses. Leonardo Dicapridio's character in One Battle after Another,
which I.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Also have not seen, but according to the trailer, is
the best movie of a generation, like it defines generation,
which is like, all right, that's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
Yeah, I'm still I'm still trying to figure that, but
I would say out of this decade, it is probably
one of the better movies.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Well, one of the top movies of this decade. Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
All right, well five years in that's pretty good praise.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing for Halloween as
far as costume wise, I don't think I'm doing anything,
but you know, might pass out some candy to the
children out there trick or treating.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
But Nick, how about you take us out with some plugs.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
Please can follow me at underscore pecone on Twitter, slash
x and Underscore pecone one the number one on TikTok,
and at pocone on Blue Sky and at pocone Nick
on threads for my Philly Sports Contents radio calls just
posts Crossing Broad articles, it will be you know, shared

(01:53:34):
there as well. I wrote something on some thoughts on
Bryce Harper and A. J. Brown saga is going on
now that's I don't know if they're really sagas, but
they're in the news, they're in the headlines, so I
have some thoughts. So you can check that out at
Crossing broad dot com. You can check us out at
Shooters Radio on Twitter, Facebook, Blue Sky, Threads, Instagram, look

(01:54:00):
Good Places, and shooters pod dot com. You can find
where we are on any platform listed, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
whatever it is that you've used to listen to your podcast,
you'll find a list at shooterspod dot com. Mute Bro,

(01:54:24):
I'm on mute.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
I'm sorry, I'm doing all this talking out on you.
I'm gonna say Patreon dot com slash Shooters Radio, where
you can request a future deep dive just like this
one doesn't have to be a wrestling pay per view.
It could be a wrestling movie starring a pro wrestler
like they Live, or anything else for that matter, preferably horror.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
I like horror, but.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
You know, Nick, I don't know, you know, you don't
really do hard like that. But if you've got a
hard movie, send it my way. But again, you can
make a request for that and you're making a cameo
on the show at Patreon dot com slash Shooters Radio.
I'm also on Instagram at Vaughan Johnson one sixty six,
on x at Vaughan M. Johnson, on Blue Sky at
Vaughan Johnson all the platforms. You can check me out

(01:55:10):
on it there as well, and again Patreon dot.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
Com slash Shooters Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
But until next time for Johnsannsen and Nick Pecone, I
am Vaughn Johnson, thanks for listening to episode four forty
five of The Straight Shooters and we'll catch you again
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
Please, Hey Clavage, wake up this show on Oh Yeah,
Jiggy

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