REWIND: WrestleMania Rage Party '99 Deep Dive

Recorded 7/24/20. Ep. 244....The night before WrestleMania XV in Philly in March 1999, WWE held a WrestleMania Rage Party at the Pennsylvania Convention Center with legendary musical acts Isaac Hayes, Big Pun, and the... Cherry Poppin' Daddies? It was when WWE was close to if not at its peak in popularity among the masses, so... why not throw a Rage Party the night before the biggest wrestling event of the year? This week, Vaughn and Nick take a deep dive into the Rage Party, as they both watched it separately and took some very detailed notes on the hour-long pre-WrestleMania hype show. It was aired on the USA Network the Saturday night before WrestleMania from 10:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. on the east coast. Needless to say, there is A LOT to discuss. Join us on the journey!--Follow us!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shooterspod.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter/X: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@_piccone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@VaughnMJohnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@ShootersRadio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Instagram: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Threads: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@picconenick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vaughnjohnson166⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Bluesky: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@piccone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@vaughnjohnson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Facebook: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Straight Shooters⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]Exclusive Patreon content: [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/shootersradio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Now it is time for the WrestleMania Rage party discussion.

(00:52):
Of course, if you recall WrestleMania fifteen, what's here in
Philadelphia back in nineteen ninety nine at what was then
known as the First Union Center now is the Wells
Fargo Center. But the night before WrestleMania and a time
before WrestleMania access before they were holding the Hall of

(01:15):
Fame ceremony, and they had nxts obviously no NXT back then.
They had a party at the Pennsylvania Convention Center the
night before WrestleMania, not the day before the night before.
This is like apparently like an eleven o'clock Eastern start

(01:35):
to this telecast. Total. I read a blog and they
said that it aired at that point. Maybe you didn't, uh,
maybe it wasn't live, right, gotcha? So yeah, it was.
That was the thing. So again, nowadays, you have a week,

(01:58):
a week's worth of events. You have fans access where
fans can go get autographs, seek different exhibits, and you know,
stuff like that, and then they have takeover one night
and then you have the Hall of Fame ceremony. I
think the next night, I think they have the Hall
of Fame ceremony on Friday, then they do takeover on
Saturday and the WrestleMania Sunday, right, Yeah, that's how they

(02:20):
did it last year.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's felt like a combination. Yeah, they switched it around recently,
but that's generally the weekend event.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Right. Well, again, before this time or back in ninete
ninety nine, they didn't have any of that. They might
have had some form of a fan festival, which I
think they did have, like Restumnia ten at magicson Square Garden.
They might have did it, you know, in some shape
or form throughout the years, but you didn't have a

(02:48):
Hall of Fame ceremony. Even they did do it in
the nineties, but they didn't do it at ninet ninety nine,
and they didn't have you know, wrestling shows leading up
like you know last year they had like the Awards,
Collide Show and all this other stuff, and WrestleMania weekend
wasn't what it pretty much was. It wasn't what it
is today. So instead to have one last bit of
hype going into WrestleMania, which minds you, WWE in nineteen

(03:14):
ninety nine was white hot, like we can talk about today,
how the ratings are down and you know, the product sucks,
and you know how I feel it. It's not cool anymore.
But back then, it was every it was everything was about.
It was cool. It was cutting edge. The ratings were
through the roof, the attendance was through the roof. Everybody

(03:35):
was on board with WWE. And to get one last
bit of promotion for WrestleMania fifteen, they held a what
they called a Rage Party at the Pennsylvania Convention Center
that aired That aired on television on USA the night
before WrestleMania. So WrestleMania fifteen happened March twenty eighth, so

(03:56):
I would assume this aired March twenty seventh, nineteen ninety nine.
Nick Howard, were you in nineteen ninety nine?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It was March, so nineteen ninety nine. In October, I
would have been turning fourteen. So at this point I
was thirteen.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, I had just turned ten a month before, So
February ninth is my birthday. This is late March, so
I was ten years old, just about to finish up
fourth grade, and just neck deep in wrestling fandom.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh yeah, this is my eighth grade year, my graduation
year from elementary school.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
So there you go. Yeah, so I'm pretty sure you're
the same way as far as how big of a
fan you were. I was watching every Monday. This is
before SmackDown. Smack didn't even exist yet, it was just
raw nitro yep, so little ten year old me could
not wait set in front of my television to watch

(04:55):
the wrestlming a age party. We talked about this a
couple of weeks ago on a prior episod episode of
The Straight Shooters where we talked about how much we
wanted to be there when we were ten and thirteen
years old. That's true because when you're a teeny bopper
like we were, or preteen like I was, partying with adults
seemed like the best thing in the world. And trust me,

(05:17):
as adults today, parting was most a lot of adults
ain't cool. Then limit that to a couple of people nowadays,
because every adult is cool obviously, But when I was ten,
this was awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, it was more even though, like I just wanted
to be a part of it, and I knew it
was in Philly, so it was close. I didn't really
go out of my way to pester, you know, my
mom to even get WrestleMania tickets because I was still
kind of in a shell. I was shy, not very
outgoing at the time, and I would be that way
for another few years. So if this WrestleMania Rage Party

(05:52):
in WrestleMania in Philly had happened maybe three or four
years after nineteen ninety nine, then I would have been
all and I would have definitely found found a way
to get there or at least be around it, maybe
not the rage party, but WrestleMania itself. So at this
point I was more content to like watch it thinking that,

(06:15):
you know, I was on my tape collection binge of
recording every single wrestling thing ever, like media appearances on
like Regis and Kathy Lee. I still have stokehold Steve
Austin's appearance on there. I think it was. I don't
remember if it was before this Wrestleming year, before Wrestlming
at fourteen, or maybe it was both, but I definitely
just that's what I did, and I was just content

(06:39):
and comfortable just staying at home because I didn't want
to be I was a shy kid. I was a
shy kid. I just didn't want to be around that
crowd because I definitely knew how rowdy that crowd was.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
You were right. And let me just say for those
who don't know this, Like I said, this event took
place at the Pennsylvania Convention Center downtown Philly. And this
is a massive convention center. But this is not like
a place where you see like raucous parties at. This
is where like teachers conventions are, comic cons are at,
or like you know, normal events that you know, convention

(07:14):
centers hold. But here we are nine ninety nine and
this convention center is holding the WrestleMania race party. It's
just it's just odd. It's just odd. So yeah, I'll
begin we can kind of go back and forth, I guess,
and now kind of our notes here, because we both

(07:35):
watched this separately, like I said, and we took copious,
extensive notes, at least I did. I'm sure you did too.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Nick, you have voluminous notes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
All, I got it all set up, So I'm starting
off just right off the top. As soon as the
broadcast begins, you hear that awful, awful rage song that
they played of the dude screaming rage, and the logo
come on the screen, and it was the logo was trash,

(08:07):
and that song was trash, but by Nice ninety nine standards,
it was probably dope, probably greatty nine. So that's what
got me, like instantly, It's like this logo and this
song is awful. Who liked this Nice ninety nine did? So?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I went right to the the Pyro, you know
after all that, You know, I kind of I knew,
like you even said it last week, like rock music
or that that type of music and wrestling are just
synonymous with each other. So I'm I'm just sitting here,
I'm like, up, there's your typical wrestling opening song, Like, uh,

(08:49):
there it is. So I just waited for it to
be over. And then as soon as they start panning
to the convention Center, you start seeing the Pyro go off,
and I'm cracking up. I'm like, this is another episode
Monday Night Raw or something.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Pretty much, and the production was just like our typical
wrestling show.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, and it just cracked me up. I'm like I
literally laughed because I'm like Pyro, Like I don't even
remember the Pyro so Pyro at a WrestleMania Raged party.
I mean, why wouldn't they have it there? I Mean,
they're the ones that really made it synonymous with every
single event. I know. WCW had Pyro back then, even
in the early nineties, but not to the extent WWF

(09:28):
started using it in the mid nineties to later on.
So I just started laughing, like, oh boy, here we go.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mean, it's not like clubs don't have like the
smoke that will shoot out from the ceilings sometimes at
various points due to night were like somebody's getting bottle serviced,
you know, the girl the waits to come by with
the sparklers in the bottle.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Like.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
So there's definitely some theatrics at normal parties, but you
don't see full flushed fireworks shooting off more often than
not in a party or in a club or something
like that, So that's a little bit different WWF. Weird
thinking about ww at least back then is that they
didn't know how to not shoot things like it was raw,
like when you look at like the XFL the first

(10:11):
time around, and how they were like open and like
shoot the games like they would have. They pretty much
built a Titan Tron in one of the end zones
like and had Pyro shooting out of it to start
off the telecasts like when you start off telecasts with
Pyro shooting out, like you watch any NFL game, Pyro
ain't just shooting off to begin in the telecast. That's
not just how it works. It's like, hey, you're looking

(10:32):
live at LINKD Financial Field, you know, like they're talking
about the game. But they go through all the opening
package of the XFL game and then all of a sudden,
Pyro shooting out like it's raw SmackDown. It's like, do
y'all just shoot stuff like it's wrestling all the time. Well,
yeah they did, Like that's just what they did.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Another thing I noticed by scanning the crowd, which is
nothing but guys for the most part, just hanging out
in the convention center. For some reason, they had a
deadly game skull just hanging out in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I wrote that down too. It was so out of place,
like they had no reason for being there, Like why,
like are people going in it? Like does it have
an opening somewhere? Is it leading to somewhere else? Like
you don't know because they had never showed it. They
just showed when you pan the crowd, you see it,
but there was no close up of it. There was like.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Nothing I'm not even sure people could take a picture
with it, Like was it was it there for photo
ops because I could understand that if it's the photo ops,
people could take pictures, but I don't know, I didn't
from what I saw, I didn't see anybody taking pictures
with it.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It was just there, yeah, And it was the only
thing there, Like, I don't I don't remember seeing any
other pay per view type props there. I mean, they
had a couple of stages, but that Deadly Game skull
was like the one thing that just stood out like
a sword thumb.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
It was. It was kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And maybe it maybe maybe they wanted it because old
hole Steve Auston. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I guess, I guess. We started the broadcast with the Corporation,
Vince Shane, the whole crew except the Rock of course,
and they come out and Shane McMahon is a European
champion and he is in full frat boy douchebag move

(12:26):
and I don't know if he's pretending, if he's playing
up you know, his character, which was kind of that guy,
or if he was like legit drunk and was just
like like going in like this is Bestimania raised party man, like,
let's just do it.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
It was real. It was real to him, damn it.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It looked like it he did, right, He's like, I'm
turning up bucko, like this is what's happening tonight. Like
he was like he convinced me that he was like
that guy because he was full do she mode.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
And I'm sure we'll touch on it later. But he
even later on in the program, you could just tell
that he didn't care, like, well, he didn't care that
there was video cameras there. He started just dancing with
whoever and whatever. And I could definitely buy if he
was a little little tipsy at that point.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Look, you speaking of dancing, we must have jump to
her right now, Shane. At one point, it's in the
crowd dancing with.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Deborah, That's what I was alluding to.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
And poor Deborah because once he stops dancing with her,
she immediately is surrounded, yes, warmed by creeps.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I wrote that down too, like that, oh my god,
like we both had like we literally both thinking the
same damn thing. Like I feel bad for her, right.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Poor Deborah, who's already out there like in a skimpy outfit,
because you know this at the time. Yeah, right, and
these dudes are just like hounding her and to the
point I feel like somebody had to go in there
and like kind of get her out, like all right,
we're out, Like all right, come on there, get let's
get out of here, like stop dancing with these creepy
guys who never seen a woman before. Apparently like it
was it was, and they swarmed her fast.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I was like, whoa, this is this is kind of rough.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, like I thought I missed something, but like no,
I remounded watching it all the way through. I'm like, nope,
they just swarmed her. Like you said, that was a
perfect adjective to describe it a verb, I should say,
I guess it's a verb, right, but uh you swarm
it's a verb, yea yeah, action word. So but it was, Yeah,
it was one of those things that just didn't sit well,
you know, like in ninety nine you're I'm probably not

(14:41):
thinking anything of it as a thirteen year old boy,
but look at that. It's like, damn, hopefully someone got
her out of there. Because the camera held it for
a while too, so we we saw it for like ten, ten,
fifteen seconds, and it's like no, well man, it was
just cut.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Her out, no can hang in a way, get her
out there, save her. Yeah, exactly, there were a life
was it life saver or something? So she can so
you can pull her out. She's in the sea, she's
amongst a sea of creeps. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't even know that when she was dating Austin
yet or I don't know. Maybe Austin should have been there.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Look, all I know is is thats soon as Shane
McMann took like two steps back, the hounds, Yeah, were
on her like bees to honey. It was like whoa
Like you said, back then, it was just like, oh,
it's just guys being guys, But like now it's like
look at it now, it's like oh god.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah. Like at thirteen, I don't know what's right and
what's wrong with, you know, adults doing adult things. I'm
just not well versed. But now you know, twenty one
years later, I'm kind of well versed. And that just
was creepy beyond creepy.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, that was that was a bit rough. So you
got another you got an observation there sides at the
at the seam, mcmmon and all his douchebag glory.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, I gotta I gotta talk about Isaac Hayes opening
the uh the program and the very first introduction I
think it was Michael Hayes was was on the mic
introducing doc Hendricks. Doc Hencks. Oh he's still doc Hendricks
at the time. Okay, get it right. The very the

(16:26):
very first thing he said about Isaac Hayes was he
was the voice of chef from South Park. That was
the very first thing he said. So at the same
time I.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Had, I literally had the same exact thing written down,
said Hayes. Was Hayes introduced Hayeses introduced firstly, no relation
between Michael Hayes and Isaac Hayes. By the way, uh,
Hayes was introduced firstly a chef as a voice of
chef from South Park.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Amazing And to me it's almost like I kind of laughed.
But at the same time, it just shows you how
popular south Park was at the time in pop culture.
Like if you you're like, oh, it's from south Park,
people are gonna pay attention more than they would.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
No. No, no, here's the thing. Here's the thing about this.
I got some things to say. Okay, I didn't even
to cut you off like that.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Nick, I'm sorry, I'm gonna mute myself. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I had the case of goddamn legend of music, all right, bo,
straight up legend, all right. And maybe look, be honest,
maybe white people didn't know his music as well as
as those black folks did, but we knew him so
maybe you know the quote unquote mainstream or white people,
they knew him from South Park and that's the reason
why they introduced him as chef from South Park, which obviously,

(17:33):
to your point, Nick, South Park was a massive show,
still a you know, big show to this day, but
it was at this like fever pitch in the late nineties.
But like, come on, man, Isaac cases out here. He
did this the theme song to Shaft. Can you dig it?
Who's the man Shaft? I can dig it? We was

(17:55):
all digging it, all right, John Shaft, Ritchie Roundtree. Look
it up if you if you're unfamiliar. He did h
He was great, a legendary musician. He did movies. You
know what I'm saying, I'm gonna get you sucker, which Nick,
I know you haven't seen a couple of movies that
we talked about I know you saw paid in fool.

(18:15):
Thank you for that, but you gotta go see the
classic comedy I'm gonna go I'm gonna get you sucker,
okay and his get with G I T not g
e T all right.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
So I know. And the only reason I know that
is because I got it as a DVD gift for
somebody for Christmas a few years ago. But I did
not watch it. So I'm kind of kicking myself for that.
I mean, it was my it was it was my
gift to give, so I didn't want to open it
first or and I didn't. I didn't watch it with
them afterwards.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Like one, who did you get who did you gonna
I'm gonna get you suck a DVD?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
From?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I didn't give you that gift. That's like something I
would get.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
No. No, I gave it as a gift to uh,
you know my it was a Christmas gift and we
uh the guy I was moving out to Vegas or
whatever to do to for school or what ever. So
he gave me Elf the Elf DVD and I gave
him I'm gonna get you suck at DVD. And what
I swear, I'm not I'm not making this up all right.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
First off, I'd just seen l for the first time,
like last week, so don't get me on that. It's
on Netflix and I watched it. So that's number one.
Number two, So you had the DVD but you never watched.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
It, correct because I bought it as a gift. I
didn't buy it for myself and then give it as
a gift. I bought it as a gift.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
So yeah, I would recommend you tracking me down and
watching it.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I knew it was C I T. I knew it
was G I T.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's why I but Isaac Hayes, Keenan, Ivy WANs, Jim Brown,
legendary Cassie, He's an. He's in King, No, I cannot
King of New York. Different movie, Escape from New York,
John Carper to movie with Kurt Russell. He's in that.
He's the main villain in that movie. He's done movies.
He's a legendary musician, great songs, great movies, and he's

(20:01):
on this show performing chocolate Saudi balls from south Park.
That's the late nineties for you, bro.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah it is, and uh to me, it just spoke
to the as popularity as south Park. But yeah, absolutely
like put some respect on his name? How about that?
And not just you know, I mean I don't remember,
uh if what else they introduced him as. I just
remember the first thing that they said was as chef
from South Park and that stuck with me.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I remember that as well. Like that that was that
was jarring because it's like, this is Isaac Hayes bro
Like he's done countless tremendous songs and he's been in
movies and composing and us like he's just he's a legend.
And rest in peace, Isaac case by the way.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
But and it makes me wonder South Park and the
promotion up to the event, it makes me wonder, and
like I don't remember, you know, the weekend shows or
even promoting on Raw. But if that's what they promoted,
you know, as somebody raised party, Isaaca is going to
be there and he's the voice of Chef on South Park,
like you know, maybe they maybe they promoted him like

(21:07):
that every week on roll. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I mean, Isaac Cays was a known person.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I knew the name before even that, I knew
the name.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Before South Park. I think I feel like that's what
he said why he was on South Park because he
was a famous person. But I feel like there were
definitely some people who mainly knew Isaac Hays strictly from
South Park like that, which I think is a disservice
to the talent this man had as a musician and
even as an actor. So but there he was doing

(21:37):
Chocolate Saudi Balls and Vis McMahon is shaking his ass
and dancing.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Let me tell you horribly, I did write this. He's,
like you said, shaking his ass, dancing. He's dancing to
the beat. This is not the first time he heard
that song. He This is not the Was it the
south Park song?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Or was he dancing the shaft though, because I forget
I do remember him dancing, but I don't remember what
song it was.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I think so I think it was, yeah, the Chocolate
Salty Balls, because I have right next to it. Not
the first time he's heard it, so, and I think
in the video that I posted on our Twitter at
Shooters Radio to kind of preview this episode, I think
it was the beginning is when the chef's going sucked
my bowels, Oh my god. So I'm pretty sure song.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Let's just explain to people who've never seen this this
is again Pennsylvania Convention Center. Just nothing but people standing around, right,
and so they're just hanging out. They're not dancing really,
just there. And every so often a musical act will perform.
And the first one out was, like you said, Isaac Hayes,
who was also playing like a melody of like the

(22:46):
Shaft theme song and some other songs.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
A salty Balls. But you're right, Yeah, he was doing
more than that.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
The Shaft theme song is a legendary song, like as
soon as you hear you instantly know if you never
heard that song before, something wrong, like that's a classic
song from from the movie Shafts. But Isaac Hayes man
the ms McMahon dancing terribly.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
So hold on, I've putt in my notes. I gotta
read the lyrics to this song. I don't know if
this is a mistake or not. I gotta look at
him first because because it could be bad.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I did also note that the Flyers and the Sixers
weren't action that night. The Flyers won and the Sixers lost.
Oh look at that. Yeah, I was watching the T
s M feed, I guess, and they had the the
score updates every now and again, so I made sure
to follow. Uh you know if the Flyers or the
Sixers came.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Up, right, I did see those the Flyers beat the
Range this song, I'll look it up on genius dot com.
Look look up the lyrics. The song was produced by
South Park and Rick Rubin.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
You know Rick Rubin is I probably do.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
All right real quick aside, we gotta discuss Rick Rubin.
Rick Rubin is one of the founders of deaf Jam. Okay,
so he he's a co founder of death Jam. So
he discovered like the Beastie Boys, l COOJ Run DMC

(24:29):
like he discovered these guys, produced him put them on.
But he also did like rock songs like he also
did like so deaf Jam is a rap label. But
then he also did like Metallica. I think at some
point he did Johnny Cash stuff. Then he went ahead
and produced multiple songs on Jay Z's Black album like
He's got like a very set of skills, so like

(24:50):
they had Chili Peppers, Danzigs, Slayer, Eminem jay Z, like
I said. But Rick Rubin, for those that don't know,
so so already established Mac Rubin music legend, as well
as Isaac Cayes legendary producer, but he was also a
massive wrestling fan. Who who helped who was the money man? Essentially,

(25:13):
he was a Tony Khan, but like not the not
a front facing money man like Tony Khan is. He
was the money man behind Smoky Mountain Wrestling. Mm hmm
Jim Cornet Smoking Mountain Wrestling. So how about that?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
But no, this is the lyrics to chocolate salty balls
his verse one two tablespoons and cinnamon and two and
two or three egg whites, A half a stick of butter.
Melts it. Stick it in a bowl, baby, Stir it
with a wooden spoon. Mix it in a cup of flour.
You'll be in I can't read this no more. This
is so stupid.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
This episode.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So everybody have you seen my ball? Oh my god?
The big salty and big and salty and brown.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
This this is horrible.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I hope Isaacase made a lot of money from this.
I just hope he got paid. Man, I shouldn't have
read the lyrics on the air. That was a mistake.
I apologize to our listeners. I apologize.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Let's move on, a don'tone who's allergic those two apologize.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Let's move on to Like I said, big room full
of people just standing around, but there were wrestlers also
amongst them, signing autographs, including Draws. Who was wearing I
had the only buff bag Wall would appreciate. I don't
know if you spotted that in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I must not have. But I know what you're talking
about because he kind of wore that became his look
for a while, wearing that ridiculous hat. But I did.
I recognized Jerry Lawler in the crowd, but I must
have missed Draws.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's all Draws. Also, speaking of ridiculous shirts or outfits
all the Big Show, wearing the quintessential fuu Boo shirt.
It was black and blue, but it was like the
FB on it, very very nice ninety nine man Boo.
Probably if the food Poo came back out today. I

(27:16):
think it has some limited release, but like it might
be able to make a comeback Foo Boo. And in
the late nineties at this time was dope. Like we
had a Fooboo jersey, the zero five Fooboo jersey. You
was a man like straight up a lot oh yeah
man for us by us Man food Boo, did you

(27:40):
have a Foo boo shirt back.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
In the day. I did not. Unfortunately, Oh man, I
had a shirt.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
I had a jersey. My brother had a baseball jersey.
It's red and black baseball jersey. And then the zero
five jerseys were everywhere. Bro, they had all different types
of colors.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, I remember saying them. I was just not I
was more a wearing like, uh, you know, Phillies and
Flyers type stuff. I wasn't no foo Nah.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, if it comes back, I'm gonna get you a
foobu shirt.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
There you go, and I will wear it proudly.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You had another observation there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Uh, I'll get to you know you alluded to Big Show. Uh,
I'll get to him later. But uh, you know, one
of the first appearances of Pat Patterson and Jerry Briscoe
were them not allowed in to the party, and it
gave me Bobby heenan vibes of the first episode of
Monday Night Raw when he was trying to get in

(28:42):
and he wasn't able to get in, and then he
dressed like a woman and everything, and it's just, uh,
you know, Patterson and Briscoe throughout the night, they were
just trying to get in and they put in they
put on like a jackass costume, and then Patterson farted
in Briscoe's face and Risco couldn't take it anymore, and

(29:03):
it just probably back to the Like the one thing
I thought was Bobby. There was probably other skits throughout
the course of wrestling history that are similar, but the
one that I came back to was Bobby Heenan in
the first episode of Raw. So I thought that was
funny and kind of like a nice callback to to
that type of thing.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, the thing is, man, it's so funny because they
are straight up legends, bro like Pat Pattison and Jerry
brisco are absolute legends. But here they were next to
the nine just being stooges, like that's.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
It, and they gave him that name, and they would
like on the on the Cairn, it be the Stooges,
like it's just it was hilarious. It was It was
good for somebody like me who I knew they were
part of wrestling history, but I didn't really know until
I grew up and research more and when I have
the Internet and the ability to rea search more of
wrestling history. But I just thought they were kind of

(30:03):
like lame. I thought the character their characters were them,
because I did that a lot back then, not realizing
that everybody's a character. But uh yeah, it just cracked
me up. And some of the funniest moments of my
fandom and w W I doing a big turnaround in
ninety eight were the antics of Pat Patterson and Jerry Brisco.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
It was it was a ridiculous show. I'm not ridiculous show.
I mean they got a ridiculous, gimmicky time.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, they competing against it was just competing against each
other in an evening gown match. Like they just did
whatever they.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Like said they were the evening gowns. And this that's
probably WHEREY had to evening gown idea from. Was this
this thing right here? So I just out amongst the
fans to you trying to get in, and Lady was
behind him was cursing them out. It's like, do you
know who you're cursing out right now? Your curse? He
got the first Intercontinental champion of all time, Pat Patterson,

(31:04):
who won it in a grueling, grueling tournament Rio Degeneio
back in nineteen seventy five. Jerry Brisco, former NWA World
Tag Team champion his brother Jack, Like, right, did they
won taxi championships? I don't know. I could be making
that up, but I'm sure they did. They probably did,
but you know it's two bonea fide legends. But here

(31:26):
they were being complete buffoons trying to get into the
WrestleMania Rage party. They didn't get in until they dressed
up as like Butler's pretty much right, oh man, I
don't think that they got it eventually.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, And it was funny because this man was like,
where have you been all night? We've been looking for
you everywhere when every single time we saw Vance, he
wasn't looking for them, like it's probably.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Just dancing to Isaac Hayes like a damn goof uh.
Before the students though, we got a promo from the Rock,
remember that we did.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
He came out in a hell of a shirt.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
All the five hundred dollars shirt man them shirts to
this day a dope. Nobody say it looked very airy,
very comfortable. Okay, this's like probably really nice to smooth
up against your skin in the rock, which is wear
the man he was, he was a man with them shirts.
He got thing is though, And I wrote this down.
I said that his reactions at this point were very

(32:29):
interesting because the rock Fall intent and purposes was the
top heel in the WWF, but he was getting still
getting a lot of shears, especially from women. Like if
you listen to the reaction he got on this night
when he came out, there's a lot of women in
the crowd going woo, like they're cheering for him, but
they like him, which is when you think back, it's like, damn,

(32:49):
did we hear that nowadays? Like you look back at
the last like ten years, how many women do you
hear in the crowd anymore? Like you don't really hear
that nowadays, which I don't know why, but you can
come up with a variety of reasons why. But it
was almost like strange to hear because we don't hear
it that much nowadays because I guess there's not as
many women in the crowd as it used to be.

(33:10):
I don't know, but I had to say there aren't
as many fans because I'm sure there's a lot of
female fans online or you know, I know a bunch obviously,
but so I know you're out there. It's just you
don't hear him as much in the shows like you
used to back in the day, at least when The
Rock came out, like here, you know, the women were
going crazy for him, and even there was a bunch
of men cheering for him too. So he cuts the promo,

(33:31):
but he started out the promo by saying, he said,
he's finally, you know, finally he's back, and it's home
away from home.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah. I wrote that too, And.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I know, people, if you watch his back you're probably like,
what the hell is he talking about? Philly's his home
away from home. Well, this area of the state is
his home away from home like The Rock for those
I know The Rock. Everybody associates The Rock with being
from Miami, But he actually was a highigh school in
Lehigh Valley. He went to a bunch of different high
schools actually because he was a I think he was

(34:05):
a bad student, so maybe he was moving around a lot.
I don't know, but he went to multiple high schools.
But he finished up his high school career in the
Lee High Valley at Freedom High School in Bethlehem and
graduated from nineteen ninety. Yeah, so that's why this is
like a home away from home essentially. I guess like
he's from the area basically and didn't.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Wasn't Rocky Johnson part of you know, the the tapings
that f they were all ways in like Allentown stuff
like that, so they were around the area. And I
totally forgot about that until he said that, and when
I wrote it down, and then I was just like, oh, yeah,
like that duh, Like yeah, but you don't, yeah, you
definitely don't think of this area when you think of

(34:48):
the Rock. So when he said that, and it was
like he was playing to the crowd too and as
the top heel. And you said about his reactions, and
I thought that was interesting too. You know, he he
was getting huge face reactions even before the Survivor series
ninety eight and then you know they did that big
turn and everything in order to build to mania with

(35:09):
Austin and the Rock. But really, like some people might
have heard on him, but he was just getting more
popular even as part of the corporation. So very interesting.
And then when he said home away from Home, I
thought that was very definitely missed that the first time
around when I was watching it, so it was a
nice catch.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, And I mean the Rock wasn't a heel for
much longer I mean he was a heel through backlash
right against Austin. Yeah, and he wasn't a heel for
much longer after that. I don't remember the exact time,
exact summer.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, by SummerSlam, he was feuding with Billy Gunn as
a face, so.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Face ye, and he was a face from that point
until he left in two thousand and two. So yeah,
you know you saw it coming. And this night was
another example of just the Rock was any now that
he was going to be a babyface. I mean maybe
not with ten year old me, because I would not
to put the good guys, but you can tell, like

(36:07):
you listen closely, and not even listen closely, you just listen.
You can tell like people were digging the Rock as
a baby face. They wanted him to be a baby face,
and they eventually got it. You got another observation there.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. Uh, this is around the time I think Sable
was changing her attitude a little bit. Uh, She's becoming
more of a heelish type character. So you know, she
was dancing and everything like that on the on the perch.
You know, she was alone, thankfully, not like no creeps
were coming up on her or anything like that and
it kind of reminded me, like you you just alluded

(36:45):
to it. I always root for the good guys and everything.
And you know, I always liked Sable more than Sonny
and it was always like a competition on TV between
them two. And I always thought Sonny was like, you know,
the bad like bad person, said a lot of mean things,
and Sable was the good person because she ignored it
a lot and stood up for herself and especially with

(37:07):
Mark Merrow. And then you know, seeing Sable kind of
had that attitude change. This is where I kind of
finally started liking Heels more. And I was thirteen. I
was thirteen.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
It didn't hurt that you were thirteen and stable with Sable, right,
it's the hottest woman on a planet. And like I
kind of like Heels now.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
She she was the reason. She was the reason. So
I'm sure she was. I definitely wrote that, and like
she wasn't dancing anything like crazy, just wiggling her hips
and stuff. And I just remember watching that be like
you call it that.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Look all right Before I before I say this, I
gotta say Sable beautiful woman, very old, I mean, wildly
over back in the late nineties and I think that
if you man, she got she that was a b
especially from like if you look at like way Maltzer
portrayed her and the Observer back then. Yeah, he wrote

(38:06):
awful awful things about her and you observer that was
just completely unfair to her. She was putting the spot
that she I mean, obviously she wanted, but like she couldn't.
She was learning how to do this on a fly,
you know what I'm saying. And she she didn't. She
couldn't control how popular she got that fast. But he
wrote some awful awful things about her. It was terrible,

(38:30):
you know, and she you know, I know, you say
you like her over Sonny. I think back then, I
think Sonny. You know, I thought Sonny was bad too
back then. But Sonny is a goof now. I can't
even say good things about Sonny nowadays. So Sable bona
fide legend, but her dancing skills zero. She was doing

(38:52):
her best, bro like, she was doing what she could.
But man, at the time, hey, look, I'm not saying
that would have deterred me from saying, hey, what's going on, Sable?
Like I mean, ten year old me trying to crack
on table go figure. But that wouldn't have happened. That
would have been terrible. But I mean, I'm not saying

(39:14):
they would have like turned me off a Sable, but
I'm just saying she could she uh, she missed a
few beats here and there, and the moves weren't really
like those hips are those hips were lying that day.
Let me just say that those hips were lying. But
speaking of Sable, remember she was in the dressing room

(39:35):
and y eesel and I'm Zappa just bum rushed her
dressing room, which is like, whoa, what the hell? That's weird,
and they begged her to be on their show Happy Hour. Yeah,
it was like the USA network, Yeah, only last one season.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Didn't I didn't. I didn't even look that up, but
I know it was like look debuting the next week
or something like that. So yeah, yeah, you know when
you U s A had all their big originals that
were constantly halked, and I just never watched anything on
USA other than wrestling, So I never watched I never
did know you.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Never watched Nash Bridges.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Come on, man, wasn't Nash Bridges on CBS?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Uh? Right, Bridges on the USA?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I mean maybe it was moved to the USA. But
the only reason I remember that is because I taped
the one that still close Seve Boston started, and that
was the only Nash Bridges I ever watched. I was
kind of the TV shows that wrestler started. I was
always kind of like let down. I was like, man,
there was like no wrestling in this, not realized that's

(40:43):
not the reason that they're on there.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
It was a CBS show, but I think CBS and
NBS maybe I don't know what they were the USA
with them.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I don't know why I remember that.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
I mean, they might so much.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I remember seeing Nash Bridges commercials all the time. Maybe
because when Steve aws is on, it a like hawked
it to death.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Or it eventually was syndicated to us. Say, I don't know,
maybe they showed real Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Maybe because I just swore like I saw like commercials
for it during raw but maybe it was only when
you know, Steve Austin's on. It just felt like they
did it every week.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Nash Bridges and I definitely remember the name, and it's
not just because of Stoke.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Amazappa.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, it's just that was awkward, Like a lot of
things in that.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Erase on Ama Zappa just I'm rushing her dressing them
Sable not great and they were just annoying. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
And and but you know, I was watching like top
pet Gil let me down, dude. I was watching like
an Old Mania episode when they had Lunuvasha on and
he was like knocking on her dressing room door, and
then he went in because she wasn't answering. It's like,
come on, like, what are we doing here? Stop that stuff?
Caught yourself there, Yeah, you caught yourself Like it just

(42:13):
doesn't hold up well today, that that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
No. Sable was dancing to Isaac Hay's playing the Shaft theme,
by the way, which is not a song that she
was should dance to like that, like wait, he was
dancing and then you hear a Shaft theme, It's like
what and then she goes Michael Hayes is like, oh,
I wanted to ask you a question, but you seem
to be dancing over here. She's like, and she's like,
once I get started, I just can't stop. And okay,

(42:39):
all right, when I hear the Shaft theme, I just
gotta move like no other man.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
And thirteen year old me was like thank you, my
ten year old me.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
It was like stop, Like she just wasn't dancing to
this song, like this is more of a quicker pay song,
and she was like dancing like she was dancing to
like a slower song. It just wasn't working. Just that
wasn't it. Sable your legend, nothing but respect, but this
was not it on this night. It looks like no girl.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
It was like she was doing that grind thing she
did in the middle of the ring before every match,
when she would like take the microphone and be like
this for all the girls that want to be me
and all that guys that came to see me, and
then she was like you're ready for Yeah, I know
all the words. Are you ready for the grind? And
then she would just do that like wiggle so that grind.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, you don't do the grind to shaft. That's not it.
That's just not it. No, but I think out. Next
came Mick Foley, who wasn't wrestling at this point. He
was going to be the special referee or he's he
was wrestling. He was, yeah, he did wrestle Big Show

(43:56):
to become the special referee in the main event. Right, yeah, now,
which is a stupid stipulation. But he came out and
pretty much just did a stand up comedy routine, which
is when he eventually became after wrestling, he became a
stand up comedian, yep. And he came out and ripped
on our snow, which he routinely does.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I don't know why he always rips on our snow.
And then he just making puns like lippin eate easy,
shrimping eight easy, chimpinade easy of course, riffing on the
guyfather slogan pimping eate easy, which I mean, hey, everybody
knows that, right, but everybody can relate to that. So yeah,

(44:39):
that was McK foley coming out to do a stand
up comedy routine, which I don't know if that really
went over well with a live crowd. I don't know
if they came to see mcfoley do comedy they wanted
to see a rage party, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, it's kind of like out of the It's not
what we're used to sing from Nick Foley at this point,
so just kind of weird. It was just kind of weird,
Like he's been good on the mic, but we it
wasn't like I wrote the same thing. I said fully
stand up, you know that was that was what it was.
It was his try at stand up comedy and seeing like, hey,
maybe I could do this after wrestling, because he wouldn't like, yeah,

(45:15):
he had in less than a year left or just
about a year left of his wrestling career after this,
so uh, you know, he went, I wrote down an
order limp and eight easy, shrimping eight easy, then now
Snow's last decent match, and then chimpin eight easy. So
it's like, you know, he I don't know if he
kind of messed up the order there, if he meant
if he meant to go the limp and shrimping and

(45:36):
chimping all together, wow, but uh it just kind of
messed up the order. So and then he was like
he ended it with Beefie, and of course that was
my call. I went right away and got my chef
Boyardy beef Ravioli thanks to Mankind, and I would have
that almost every Monday night while I watched for all
it was like my my thing because they they got

(45:58):
in my head and they're like I need to have this,
and I think I had a little too much after
a while because now I just can't stand it because
I did. I did try it a couple of years ago,
and it was still the same. It wasn't that great,
So I mean, it never was that great, Like it's legit, right.
I'm a Ravioli guy, so of course I'm gonna put

(46:21):
that above everything else. And even if it's not that great,
I'm still gonna try and like it. But I mean,
after a while, I just wasn't feeling it.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
You go to it's not restaurant quality Ravioli. I mean,
no disrespect now, definitely not, definitely not I've had my
share Chef Boyard and it's it's quality. It's a quality
quick meal, but you know, it's not confused to be
like the rest of one quality. I think I've read
or I heard somewhere that the Chef Boyard was like
sponsored kind of sponsored this event and it like kind
of served it to people in the crowd. I think,

(46:50):
I don't know, I think I got look that up again,
but jeez, so yeah, that's it was weird. That's maybe
that's why he went with the beefy line because he
wasn't in the Chef Boldy commers.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh, I didn't say he wasn't he was in the
chem Yeah, but you got anything else next there besides
acting mcfoley.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Uh, let's see have I didn't right, it was kind
of lame. Dx's entrance was kind of lame. They came
down an escalator and they just went like they didn't
do like d x's d X. Man, you're expecting something
kind of big, and they just sat on the escalator
and stood and were like doing all their histrionics instead

(47:38):
of doing something cool Like I was like, they should
have like slid down the banister or something like that,
like you'r d you'r d X, Like you're not known
for being this, uh you know what's like basic group
that you're just coming down the escalator and waving and
doing your trots chops and everything. So I just thought

(47:58):
their entrance was kind of lame, and that to me,
that was surprising coming from w F nineteen ninety nine.
I expected more from DX, that DX wouldn't last so
much longer after this. In fact, the next night they
would all like pretty much break up and Triple H
will go to the corporation. But I just thought given
their gimmick, given everything we've seen from this group in

(48:21):
the past year or two. It was just kind of
a lame entrance, and for some reason I thought that
was noteworthy.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Dx's whole thing was kind of like just just their thing,
Like it did just a just stick and that was it. Yeah,
and they had the pyro for them too, they did they.
I did find it funny though that like they came
out through the crowd with pretty much no security. So yeah,
just mobbed him, yeah to the stage.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, you can see Triple Hs kind of turn around.
He's probably yelling at the guys to follow him or
make sure he doesn't lose him or something like that.
Because they got engulfed.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
That wasn't like I should add some security kind of
leading them through the crowd. Anything could have happened to them,
Like that was kind of dangerous actually to have them
just kind of walking through and sure you're not like
banking on somebody having a knife and trying to stab
somebody right then and there. You know, you don't hope
that happens, but you never know. That's why you have security.

(49:18):
That's why you have metal detectors now that just in
case to protect your performers. And they just got left unprotected.
I don't think that would happen these days, but it
happened ninety ninety nine because apparently it was like the
wild West. It just it's like whatever triple As tears
your shirt off, they need moons. The crowd at the end,
cameras barely caught that. They try to get away from

(49:39):
it as fast as possible, but I saw it, and so, yeah,
DX doing their thing, the whole stick, the whole stick.
It made me think of though, when do you remember
Rawing thousand when they had Billy gun and Shawn Michaels
together for the first time and they were both like

(49:59):
ready to do like then we got two words for
your part of the whole promo and they were bobox
standing there and there's like Billy Gunna looked at him like, hey,
this is my part, Like this is what I do,
and Sean's like I kind of started this thing, so
it's my part. And then like look, Billy, Billy, look,
you know if you don't let Sean do do you

(50:21):
gotta liket Sean. Gotta let have Sean have this because
you know if you don't, he might lose a smile
or something. Yeah, So that was probably the you know,
one of the many DX reunions, but probably the only
one that I was like, oh, that was funny and
that was it. Like all the other ones I could
go without, uh, specifically the one where they UH is

(50:41):
that with the DX when they buried the revival was
that the nw O. I can't remember everybody the revival
at one point of yeah, probably both they're all friends.
They could have been d X and it n w O.
So yeah, so yeah, all the other reunions I could

(51:03):
do without, but just the RAW one thousand was pretty funny,
and they were here on this night just doing their stick.
Before d X though, we got a performance from Big Pun,
which I was like, oh, I completely forgot he was
on this show doing his thing. A Big Pun looked

(51:24):
up to his name. It's big big Man on that stage.
But I think people forget Big Pun was huge in
the late nineties and like nineteen eighty nine, not and
I mean figuratively, not literally.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
No, I remember, I definitely remember the name. So if
I remember it thirteen and hip hop, that's you know,
you know, he's big.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah. He was apparently one of the first Latino artists
to go platinum. First solo hip hop record by Latina
to go platinum, like he was a big deal. In
ninety eight ninety nine, he had the song I Don't
want to be a player no more. That that song
still bobs to this day. You put that song on
any function, people are dancing and singing the song. It's

(52:12):
a list song still to this day. And he performed
it on this night alongside Fat Joe. Fat Joe still around,
still doing this thing. He was there as well. But
a big pun man, I was. I was here for that.
I don't know if the crowd and attendance was though.
They didn't seem to be loving a big pun because
I guess they didn't like that his style of music.

(52:33):
But I liked it, especially that one song, I don't
want to be a player. I don't want to be
a play yet no more. I'm not a player. I
just crushed a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That was man.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
That was the theme. I was the anthem back in
like ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Bro, that was it.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
That was huge. That was like a huge song of
like ninety eight ninety nine. Man, it's still, like I said,
a big song to this day, like yeah, I capital
punishment man.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
That of the album and you have to go see
Sean McMahon head bopping, like I'm kind of ruining it
for everybody. Like I was like, man, come on, like
every single white person does that. They're just laid head bopping,
like yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Mean, do you want Shane to dance like his father?
I mean he saw his father dancing.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
At the same time. I mean maybe not, maybe not,
But to me, I'm just like, man, that's all I
see is like white people head bopping like they don't know,
they have no rhythm, and it's just kind of it
was glaring to me. Then the fact that he was

(53:36):
the European champion at the time and it's really annoying.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
It was weird. He had the shades on the belt
with him get out of his shamee, get out of here,
which are bro super bro guy during this time, just
super bro mode on this name. Man. Of course he's
like raising the roof to fat Joe or not fat Joe,
big pun and and all that. It's like it's down

(54:02):
somewhere the recipe is a big, big pun. He actually
passed away like a year later after.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, I did look that up. It was two thousand
something like that.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, February two thousand. So Big Pun is a legend
man like, especially you know in the in the amongst,
you know, like Latino community, hip hop community. He's a legend,
bro like, he's up there with Biggie and Pac if
you ask them. But regardless of any background or race,
Big Pun legendary rapper from New York and going away

(54:32):
too soon, way before his time. But nice to see
Big Pun on the show. Definitely. That's that took me back.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Man.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
It's time capsule we're talking about. So that takes you
back to nineteen ninety nine Big Pun because his songs
were everywhere back then, man, telling it was everywhere. He
was a big deal back in the late nineties. Yeah,
what you got? What you got next?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Tore after the d X appearance, I cracked up. We
see Kane and then we see Man yelling at him
to loosen up. It's a party, and he's just staring
at him like probably thinking I am loose, Like come on, man,

(55:14):
And I just laughed because he kept saying it and
it wasn't I think I think they came back to
him at some point. He's just like, loosen up, damn.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
It, Why don't you loose it up. Why are you
so tight? It's a party and the Rock. You at
the Rock and see McMahon like jumping at him. Yeah,
what about it? Exactly exactly the rock, like he's going
to smack.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
He did that so much too. That's why I think
that's why people love the Rock. Like he was doing
it his own teammates, like he's just like, man, don't
look at me that way, Like the hell you doing?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
He would just jump ety, he's going to smack him.
I did it to a referee, went town referee team
that jumped out the ring.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Here.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
He was trying to get nerdy. He's talking, trashed the
cane and like you want to smack him? Evinced Why
don't you lose that? Why are you up tight? So
angry all the time?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Loosen damn it so angry all the time.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
It's so dumb. This is so stupid. Why he was
Cane for? When Cane is there full gear like he's
about to wrestle, everybody else is in the street clothes. Yeah,
he's got everything up from top to bottom. He's he
is Kane all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Apparently, commitment to the character. Oh yeah, just like the Undertaker.
I mean he was. I mean, like you said, everyone
was in street coats, the X wasn't in their gear. Uh,
he's so close. He've also wasn't in his gear, but
you had an undertaker in his robe and cane and
his ring gear. It's like those two gimmicks. Not allowed

(56:49):
to have anything other than your gear.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
No, it's so funny, it's so funny out next though,
we got vow Venus, who I mean, obviously I remember Valvenus.
I forgot how over he was though, Like you remember,
he was over, but you forget sometimes you can forget
unless you watch stuff from this time period, just how

(57:14):
over he was. He was huge in ninety eight ninety nine,
like he was a big deal. But for some reason
he came out barefoot, which I found odd Like that
that didn't seem like safe to do walking around the
stage barefoot.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
And then and I guess this is the reason why
they had him do it. They he introduced the cherry
Popping Daddies, which I guess it fit for Valvenus's gimmick absolutely.
So let's spend a little time talk about a time
capsule back to nineteen ninety nine. This band Terry Popping

(57:55):
Daddy's first off, horrible name. What in the hell come on? Fam?
That was really the name. I guess in the late nineties,
it was like oh yeah, whatever, Yeah, But like now
it's like, what the hell are y'all talking about? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I didn't even know what the hell of them meant?
You know, I was, well, we were too young to know.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
But now when you're older, it's like, oh that is
that is odd. That is an odd thing to want
to be known as, Like, I don't rock with this.
And then on top of that, I didn't like this
the mute they did the ska.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Uh yeah, it was like a swinger music. Yeah, I
mean I will say they performed suit Riot and that
was a huge hit back then, and I did like
it just because of the sound of it, you know.
That's why I like certain songs, just the sound of it.
And it was a new sound at the time for

(58:55):
me personally to hear. You know, I'm all was always
listening to like the pop and rock and some hip
hop and not not a lot of country, but you know,
some country, and then this was like just a different
type of sound. So I think that's what I gravitated
towards because I just kind of like liked it. And

(59:15):
it was really this song only that I think I
wound up getting their album at some point. And I
wasn't a fan of like the other songs, but this
particular song, it became like I knew it was popular.
My sister was singing it all throughout the house. She
was now with it, so I I heard it every
single day and I had no choice, I guess, but

(59:37):
to like it. And uh so that's that. It brought
me back a little bit to that time period.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Zoos Suit Ryot went double platinum, double platinum. This song
it wasn't even that good, but I guess back then,
especially if you like like I said it was, it
was kind of a new vibe for the late nineties,
even though it was an old vibe, the swing vibe
that has been around for you know, decades. Uh And
then like the suits they were wearing, the zoot suit

(01:00:07):
was around in the twenties and thirties and forties or whatever,
so they kind of like a throwback band. But that
swing sky stuff was like big in the late nineties,
Like it was. There was a couple of sky like
swing type of bands back then that was doing numbers
but they fell off fast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, they played like two thousand and one. They weren't,
they weren't around.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It just wasn't. It didn't stick like some people still
rock with it, I think. But back then things moved fast,
like they fell off real fast. And they haven't been
really doing anything. I mean they've done they I guess
they still tour with the same name. By the way.
It was just like, ugh, but they were know every
nowhere near the success they had back in the late
nineties today, like nowhere near it. They went that song

(01:00:52):
along with double platinum. It is unbelievable. I've put in
my notes that from one I said, they suck a
song like that, I just did. I just I don't know,
like I kind of rock with a little bit, but
really I'm just not that big of a fan. It
just felt like a lot of college age people at
that point in time in the late nineties who thought

(01:01:14):
they were really really smart probably loved this stuff, like
they were probably so in love with it. Oh yeah,
it's you should riot, man. They were dancing and stuff
like that. But then it just fell off super duper fast.
I'm not mad at that. The name's trash and they
caught a sound that couldn't that wasn't able to be
sustained for a long period of time. They just they

(01:01:35):
were good at that, and that's what they were good at.
And there's still people still like that stuff. People will
still probably go see them just because they liked that sound.
But then, as like you said, by two thousand and
two thousand and one, that sound had kind of faded
off from the mainstream and they were still kind of
in that mode when they tried to switch out of it.
People wasn't buying that. They wanted to hear them do

(01:01:56):
the Swing and the Sky, but that wasn't even what's
popping at that point. By two thousand, two thousand and one,
it was we wanted something else. So yeah, CPD, Cherry
Pop and Daddy's Terrible Name, Terrible Name.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I mean I would still I would still rock out
to that song in my car, but uh, that's probably
the only song I would of theirs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
That's probably the only song a lot of people heard
from them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Well, I mean I did. I did have the album,
or my sister did, and I remember listening and I
just didn't like the other songs. It was like Zootsuit
Rot hit that spot of where, and maybe it was
because it was mainstream and popular, but I actually liked it,
and I can't tell like the fact that I still
like it today, I know it's not because it was

(01:02:41):
just popular back then. I've liked a lot of songs
back then that today I wouldn't listen to anymore. But
that's one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
And it's just they just boxed themselves in. They were like,
they dressed like they were in the twenties. They had songs,
but they were in the twenties and thirties, and they
once you do that. Yet it worked for a little bit,
but it's not a there's no longevity in it. So
they were out there doing the swing stuff and all that,
but it couldn't last because we're onto a different vibe,

(01:03:15):
like you're still doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
So it's like a window for that, and they eclipsed it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yeah, they look they cast in on that window. I
said that song along with double platinum. I'm not sure
about how the whole album went, but they made some
money and they was torn and they was they were popular,
but whatever, enough of them out. Next was the Undertaker

(01:03:41):
and the entire ministry of Darkness, which look here, I
don't know. I know people loved the American Badass. I
know they'd love like the other incarnations of the Editator.
I don't know why I have a soft spot for
the Ministry Undertaker, for the villain Satanic Undertaker. I don't

(01:04:02):
know why, but I thought this was a cool chap
in his career. It wasn't like a a super memorable one.
If anything, it had some terrible matches in it, especially
the WrestleMania one the next night when they hung Big
boss Man. But I thought the music was dope. That
theme music in nineteen eighty nine was fire. I don't
feel Nobody said, I know, he has this classic theme song,

(01:04:22):
but this one is fire.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
That was one of the albums that was on one
of their music albums, and I just had it on
repeat for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
It was great. I don't think I'm like, go back
and listen to Undertaker's ninety ninety nine themes song if
you haven't heard in a while. It's dope. Then Undertaker
kind of changed his look so he literally looked like
the Devil. It was awesome. I don't know why I
liked this so much. He would come out with like
capes on and showed the pass and come out with
the cloak in the in the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Hood like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Satanic cult.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, even the facial air, shaved the mustache and I
grew the goates. It was definitely a different look, Like
you knew it was the Undertaker, but he didn't look
like he did in nineteen ninety one or nineteen ninety
five or even nineteen ninety eight. He looked completely different.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
He's going totally different, which Undertaker is always good for that,
trying to tweak his look a little bit, right, But
he was a leader of his own cult, which is
like it fit his character actually, Yeah, and he was
a heel, which he hadn't been at heel in a while,
you know. Yeah, I think when was the last time
he was a real heel on WWF outside of nineteen
ninety one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
That was it. That was it. And one the Jake
Roberts fuse was when he turned face and he hadn't
been heel until because Paul Bird turned on him, but
he was still a face. And so yeah, this was
the first real heel run in eight years. That's crazy,
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
It's crazy right that the character, that darker character hadn't
been a heel for eight years he had like a
hawk Cogan run as a baby face, Like that's how
long he was it's a babyface. And he finally turned him.
But when he turned them, he was a cult leader
and he had his own faction. That's the only time
I got to take his career. He had his own faction.
Like I thought that was I don't know, I thought

(01:06:04):
that was dope. Obviously they ruined it when they made
it like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
The corporate corporate, corporate ministry.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, that's when it got weird and VISMCMN kidnapped his
own daughter. It was may Austin, it was Maya Along,
but that was trash. But when it was just a
ministry at Darkness and they were actually feuding with the corporation,
was also a heal faction.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yeah, yeah, he was gonna take over the world. Yeah,
I think January of ninety nine. Do you remember that
whole promo that when he sacrificed Mediot and all that. Yeah,
I remember reading. I think that was a live episode,
So I remember reading before raw it was like the
Undertaker's gonna do a really controversial angle tonight and it's

(01:06:47):
gonna kick off like a whole new path for him
or something, And I remember coming out of it and
the promo that he made it was like prerecorded, so
you can not see him talking, but the words weren't
matching what he was saying. It was just all like
messed up and he I remember coming out of it

(01:07:11):
thinking like, that's not that controversial, so, you know, like
nineties television, if that's not controversial to me, it just
kind of brought me back to that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, I thought this version of the Undertaker is underrated. Honestly,
I liked it. I thought I was underrated. Also, I
put it here. I didn't know satanic cults went to
rage parties. I didn't know I was a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
But you know, he was sitting there threatening Vince McMahon
and his family like the whole time, and big shows
just like chilling next to him, like they never show him.
You don't see his face or whatever. Like why doesn't
as a man turning the big show be like, yo,
you're bigger than him, go take care of him. I

(01:08:01):
just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I just I just find I guess I said that earlier,
but I found it fascinating that the ministry feuded with
the corporation both heel factions. Now they eventually joined up,
but at first there wasn't that way, Like I didn't
take it was legit, like I want to desture everybody,
look every dame who it is. So I thought that
was kind of interesting. Also, I didn't take her threatened

(01:08:23):
to kidnap step Stephanie McMahon before she was even on TV.
Like he's then he's saying like I'm gonna take something from.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You or something like that, and he kept saying she
heard her, and I guess that's we didn't know who
he was talking about at that time, but so, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I know people like what there was a time where
Stephanie McMahon wasn't just you know, hovering over every woman
on the roster and claiming responsibility for the women's revolution.
Was she wasn't on TV No in early ninety nine,
she wasn't her pretty much her TV debut as an
on screen character, from what I remember, was her getting
kicknapp by the had to take her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, when we start her, I remember like Ken Shamrock
trying to rescue her and uh in like a locker
room or something like that, her looking very like scared,
and he brought her back to Vince, and Vince like
what did he do to you? Or whatever like that,

(01:09:22):
and I just remember like that was the first time
or maybe like within the span a few weeks of
her first television appearances and then when Austin saved her,
and then that's kind of when Vince was starting babyface,
which it was just so weird, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
You saved her and like then he like she wrent
up on him and hug him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
And yeah, hug him back exactly because he was He's like,
you're vincement Man's daughter, Like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
What a weird that was? That went off the rails
real fast, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
That was definitely Vince Russo and U. Storytelling is easier
for me to follow because it was one show a week.
Still SmackDown wasn't there, So I can remember it easy easily,
But I just don't think it was very great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
We wrap up the Wrestlemenium Rage Party with the man
of the Hour, Stone Cold Steve Austin, who just got
to the Convention Center right before he said to come
out on stage. So it got me to thinking, where
the hell was Steve Austin before he got there, Like
where was he?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Like, was he at a bar, the Rocky Statue?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, was he you know? Was he on South Street?
Was he an old city? Was he a manny youunk?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Like? Where was he Cocha hockench Hocken?

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Was he in a I don't know where was he?
Was he at the Four Seasons? Like? Was he at
Del Frisco's?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Like interesting?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I mean, obviously they just showed him walking in just
for that shot, but like in my mind, he was
just not there like storyline purposes, he just showed up
before the end of this party quote unquote Where the
hell was Steve Vawson at this whole time? And how
many beers a drink that he drink?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Stuck in traffic on the School Expressway.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Oh, well, haven't we all been there?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
But Steve Vawson comes out, he cuts the promo, talks
craped with a rock, The rock doesn't like it, the
music plays, and then we pretty much go off the
air on that note. So that's the WrestleMania rage part.
I don't know if you had any more notes of
your own, Nick, but that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, I had the Undertaker wide didn't Vince and Big
Show after him, and then Austin ends it it was
kind of like a typical Austin promo. Not saying it
was bad, it was just your typical Austin promo and
nothing noteworthy about that. Just the fact that I miss Mike.
I wish when people could just talk on the mic

(01:12:03):
and not have to read from a script.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
From that, if only we can go back to those
days with at least those style of promos from how
they got to those promos, not necessarily what they were saying,
but or verbade them what they were saying. But like,
you know, just letting the guys and gals be themselves
instead of, like you said, having a script where together
we cite stuff word for word and stuff like that.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I was just watching Nights tro from early ninety eight
a few days ago when British Bulldogs showed up for
the first time and faced Mango McMichael. But he made
his appearance during like a promo. Gene Okerlin in like
the Isleway went talking to Mango and then the bulldog
comes out and you could tell he's not reading from
a script. He's just like flubbing lines here and there.

(01:12:50):
But I missed that. There's like a genuine charmed to
people just doing that, Like I don't always know what
I'm gonna say on this podcast, and I delay and
delay and like, I don't know, I just miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
But that is the WrestleMania Rage Party twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
If you want to, if you want to relive that,
it's on YouTube, just search WrestleMania Rage Party. It's not
on the WW network at this point, but I would
love for them to like upload it with some bonus
footage so we can have another one of these.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Man, I don't think WW wants anything to do this show.
Do they really want Isaac Hayes on this on their
network singing chocolate Saardi Balls? I mean, can I even
get the right of these songs? Like, I don't know
how that works now, like with it performances.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
It's good point you bring up. I guess they uploaded
all these ECW super shows and people I've seen on
Twitter saying whatever musick that was used, they can't use
it or they're not going to pay for the rights
to use it, so it ruins like half the show
or the whole show. So I guess they're just never

(01:14:14):
gonna do it. It's the same weird thing of seeing
Chris Jericho on Nitro with his break the walls down theme.
It's just stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I don't know if the rules are different for live
performances though maybe yeah, But you know, I can look
up a show that had like what, like, uh, who
was the band that they would do use all the
time with triple as Steam Music, Motorhead Motor that's what,
or that's a live or on a couple of shows.

(01:14:43):
I can look those up and see if they kept
their performances on there on those shows. But either way,
this show, this this event, this rage party was if
nothing else, it was a big time capsule back you know,
teleport yourself back twenty years ago, twenty one years ago,
back to nineteenety nine and realized just how different of

(01:15:05):
a world we were in back then.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Like I mean, it was, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
It was a doozy and it just felt super unnecessary,
like the way w W does the WRESTLEMINGI Weekend now
so much better, even though I don't really watch the
Hall of Fame ceremony because it's long and typically very boring,
but it just it just feels like a more professional
events than the WrestleMania Race party.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah, definitely, And I think even in ninety nine, they
didn't really do the Hall of Fame on wrestlminga weekend,
and they used to do it randomly. It was like
before the King of the Ring one year right here
in Philly, Like it's like, what, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
I think that was Maybe that was the last time
they did it until two thousand and four. I think
it was ninety five it was the last time they
did it. Maybe ninety six.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I don't remember, because ninety six and ninety seven they
did the Slammy Awards before WrestleManias, so they that was
my jam. Maybe maybe we should recap a Slamming Awards
show on here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
We don't have to. No, we're not sticking around to
see the Smoking Guns get Tag Team of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
But the Race Party was a moment in time that
would not be replicated by w W probably ever again
because it was just just all over the place, like
there's no like cohesion. It was just like a wild
production that I don't know what it was. It's just
a thing that they had some live performances, people just

(01:16:40):
standing around, people dancing terribly, a couple of promos, and
it's like, what did it really do for WrestleMania. Did
it help the buyer? I don't think so. It's just
like I said a couple of weeks ago, just felt
like another night at work for a lot of people,
like unnecessarily, like if you're not doing the Hall of
Fame or if you're not doing the NXC show, which
they weren't going to do back then. Obviously an NXT shirt,

(01:17:02):
But if you're not doing the Hall of Fame ceremony,
then what are you gonna like? You don't have to
do anything the night before WrestleMania, you know. But they
figured it out. They got a better formula now and
it's worked for them over I mean, damn. They've done
the Hall of Fame stuff for a long time now,
since since two thousand and four, and they've done NXT
for the last like four or five years throughout the weekend.

(01:17:25):
So they got a formula now, it works. People are
into it, and it's much better television and much less
liable for lawsuits than the WrestleMania rased party was back
in next ninety nine.

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