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Kelly (00:11):
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Kelly (00:28):
Strange Aeons. Welcome to Strange Aeons radio. That's Eric
Morgan over there. That'sVanessa Williams over there.

Unknown (00:36):
Hello.

Kelly (00:37):
I'm Kelly young. Hey guys. How was your Christmas?

Vanessa (00:41):
delightful? Yeah.

Eric (00:43):
Weird.

Vanessa (00:44):
Yeah, I was about to have a super, super weird
Christmas that would havemirrored my Thanksgiving where
it would have been like my mom,my sister me and a bagged
Turkey. Which by the way are notgood. Actually. Yeah. I actually
bought a turkey you cooking abag? It was disgusting. So I'm

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told because I didn't eat it.
But I was told it was it was notgood. And then I got invited to
go to Middle East section. EastSouth sections of Middle East.

Unknown (01:18):
I know.

Vanessa (01:19):
But yeah, so it got to be like a slightly like three
different human beings. I'm notused to staring at it. So that
was very exciting. I was like, Idon't care what happens the
scenery outside looks slightlydifferent.

Kelly (01:33):
Brilliant. And then you just got back and brought all of
their germs. My house

Vanessa (01:37):
everyone was COVID tested before? Yeah, the COVID
free Christmas.

Eric (01:43):
Impressive.

Vanessa (01:44):
So this in the last COVID testing that was a really
deep one. I didn't know that itwent that far. Like my nose all
the way and then they counted toeight. And I was like, I'm a big

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so that was refreshing. Me Likedo

Kelly (02:08):
you guys smell oranges?

Vanessa (02:13):
Like my eyeballs have been scratched? So how about you
guys? How

Kelly (02:19):
would you well I was able to do a socially distant
distance Christmas with myfamily you know in a much
smaller capacity than normal.
But it was nice because I hadn'tseen anybody in forever and it
was just really nice to see andmy mom got the her first vaccine
shot like two days before she'syou know, Daredevil now I'll see

(02:41):
you guys later I got to go tothe mall. I got to do quite
work.

Vanessa (02:49):
She's got to get number two. She can see Oh, I

Kelly (02:53):
did say that she she schooled me on that Kelly number
two is a booster you're getting70% most of this stuff good.
Yeah. Like okay

Eric (03:06):
30% chance is still again

Vanessa (03:10):
just fine for somebody who is you know lived such a
good life you know, nothing canknock you over when you're that
age.

Kelly (03:18):
My mom's like, Look, I'm probably going to drop dead in
the next year or two anyway andI'm not gonna you know, let it
happen without seeing my family

Eric (03:31):
Sure. Yeah, no, we just we just separate houses seen in a
gang cars and brought it to herbrother's house and then brought
presents to her parents and talkto each of them for a little bit
but it did his awkward horriblyawkward Zune call the night
before where we opened likestocking style presents on

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Christmas Eve. Like how are wedoing this? What order you want
to go we're gonna do it all upand it was

Vanessa (03:59):
weird. Yeah, there was a little bit of that in mind as
well where you're like thesignals coming in and out and
you're holding the thing going?
Thank you. Yeah, looking likedid you keep Do you like do

Kelly (04:15):
this is definitely one for the books.

Vanessa (04:17):
Oh, yeah. joke when everybody's family portrait this
year is like everybody on a zoomcall. We've got like four of
four or five of those likekicking around now. It's just so
weird. It's beginning to looklike co

Eric (04:33):
everywhere you go.

Kelly (04:36):
Hey, guys, I woke up so excited on Christmas morning.
Not for presence. No, no. ForWonder Woman. 1984 on Disney
plus.

Vanessa (04:45):
I'm waiting Disney plus, or HBO.

Eric (04:50):
Yeah, do that all the time, too. I keep going to HBO
max are gone. Where's theMandalorian?

Vanessa (04:54):
Oh, no, I have not seen it. I will say that. I'm gonna
watch it tonight. But I can onlyassume you loved it and it was
the best you've ever seen.

Kelly (05:06):
Sure What are your mind reader or something? I

Vanessa (05:08):
know right? I just saw the trailer. I know what's
coming. Amazing 80s action withlike Chris

Kelly (05:15):
Pine guess what if you saw the trailer, do you think
you know what's coming and youthink I like what I saw in this
trailer? Yeah, you're going tobe very very disappointed.

Vanessa (05:26):
Well, you know what?
pager is in it? And I can't waitto see him walk around a little
bit. He knows

Kelly (05:32):
how to choose scenery.
I'll give him that. I think itwas horribly miscast. I'll say
this Galaga Dodd is sobeautiful. And it's such a good
thing. I was staring at thescreen after about 25 minutes. I
was like, Oh, no, this is reallyreally bad. And I I was really

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excited for this movie.

Eric (06:00):
Yeah. So you really liked the first one right?

Kelly (06:03):
Until the ending? Yeah, yeah.

Vanessa (06:05):
Yeah. I it's funny because the ending like the last
40 or so minutes becomes aMarvel movie in my head it like
squishes until like a slightlydifferent universe. Through
Wonder Woman. I still love thatfirst one. Like it was just such
a cool movie in a lot of ways.
But Galco dot you know what? Sheis a stunning woman. Yeah. So
I'm excited to watch her in avariety of costumes. For 80

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minutes.

Kelly (06:33):
That is, that is one of the problems. I think. The
constants. Yeah, you hear in avariety of customs.

Vanessa (06:41):
Were they like, not

Kelly (06:43):
the Wonder Woman costume you wanted to see? Because
there's an hour long stretch inthe film, where she is not in
costume.

Vanessa (06:52):
Well, I figured I mean, cuz she's like a museum curator.

Kelly (06:56):
Right? But this is a wonder woman movie. Well, yeah,
but

Vanessa (07:01):
she wasn't hardly in her outfit either.

Kelly (07:04):
I I'll tell you. This appointment is they made a big
huge deal about you know, PattyJenkins said that that third act
of the first film was tacked onthat was studio interference,
all this stuff. They gave hercarte blanche on this. She's a
writer on it. And the directorand she shit the bed. So yeah,

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it's it's bad. Now it's sittingfresh on Rotten Tomatoes. So
your mileage may vary.

Eric (07:32):
I've seen mixed but I've seen a lot of drama not real
positive reaction.

Vanessa (07:40):
My entire Facebook feed is like furious fanboy. Like, I
don't know a girl who's seen ityet. But all the dudes are like,

Kelly (07:48):
hissed. So I will say this. If you're a if you're a
woman, and you're gonna root forthis because it's a female
protagonist, a female filmmakerand all of that stuff. That's
fine, but I think you should beangry at me. You deserve better
than

Vanessa (08:04):
this. Right? So I felt about some some films that have
come out by different femaleGhostbusters, because I wasn't
female director but yeah, it issometimes like hey, just because
you're feeding us the food youthink we like? It doesn't mean
you cook there. Right? Yeah, youknow, like, and everyone's
entitled to make a mistake.
Absolutely. It's okay for somepeople to have their you know,

(08:26):
one of their phones suck balls.
That's fine. I don't think she'sI'm not ready to dismiss her is
that she's already

Eric (08:34):
got she doing the Star Wars one of the Star Wars shows.
Yeah,

Vanessa (08:38):
she's got the man Star Wars will flip on a dime.
There's a lot of people who lostStar Wars.

Kelly (08:45):
But Wonder Woman three is already been greenlit. So

Vanessa (08:49):
yeah. How do they figure out the like, how did
they figure out the money forthis? Well,

Kelly (08:53):
this was a rental. Yeah, unless you had HPL. Matt? Yeah,
HBO Max, and they shut downtheir free week. stuff before.
Yeah, so you had to sign up forit.

Vanessa (09:13):
Pickles. And Eric, you haven't seen it? Correct.

Eric (09:16):
No, actually haven't seen the first one. Not by dismissal.
I just haven't. I am. Marvel.
I'm a Marvel guy first. And Ilike the DC movies but I haven't
seen I haven't seen arco man. Ihaven't seen Wonder Woman. Some
other one I haven't seen I can'tthink of what it is. I'm curious
about the Snider cut justbecause oh, I I can't imagine

(09:36):
that movie can be saved. But

Kelly (09:41):
certainly not by adding time to that.

Eric (09:43):
Yeah, no kidding. No, I'm curious to

Vanessa (09:46):
color correct. And let's just get rid of all the
scenes with a mustache removaland maybe somewhere. Yeah, you
know, actually awkward me. Ifyou have zero expectations or
negative expectations. It's afun, stupid film,

Eric (10:01):
I had enough fun and it just not zero expectations and I
came across so cuz I've beendoing library rent, right very
boring of comic books. I've beenreading a lot more comic books
that might normally which isgreat. And I came across a more
recent document. I don't know ifit's a time of the film or
before it. And it was amazing.
It was a great stock man series.

(10:23):
And I've never thought anythinglike well, man, but this one was
really good even had a bunch ofmaking fun of him. For the start
of the comic was basicallymaking people fun of being
Aquaman. And all the stuffeverybody always says about
talking to the fish, and allthose jokes are brought up and
dealt with. It's really quiteclever and fun. I 17

Kelly (10:47):
I thought it was pretty awful, but just like Galaga dot.
What's his name? Oh, Jason.
Jason, Mo. That guy's easy tolook at.

Vanessa (10:56):
You know what I didn't I underestimated the momoa
creepy saver film. I wasshocked. I was like, I'm not
even like Jason momoa. Like,girl, like, I know that there's
like a club of women adore him.
And I was still like, you knowwhat? Yeah, thank you for that.
Thank you for your service. It

Eric (11:14):
was hard to believe that with Game of Thrones, they
actually downplayed howbeautiful he is as a guy. I
mean, he didn't look bad by anymeans. Because I don't know if
you can possibly do that tothem. But then you put him in
Aquaman and you go for the fullbig budget beautification.

Vanessa (11:31):
Oh my god. It was a weird pairing with like having
Nicole Kidman and it was alittle odd. But whatever her a
weird to me, that's fine.
Whatever Nicole's fine

Kelly (11:41):
bits or bits and look weird to me.

Eric (11:46):
Hey, did you see

Vanessa (11:48):
Steve Nicole Kidman? I saw prom. Oh, God, I

Eric (11:53):
watched that too. Did you really? Yeah. Dana and I watched
it. Two nights ago. I thinkwe're like, hey, let's watch
something stupid. And mindnumbingly dumb.

Vanessa (12:01):
Yeah, yeah. It was fun.

Eric (12:03):
I I was about 20 minutes in, I'm gone. Boy. But what are
we doing here? And then what'shis important? hit some song? I
think about coming out orsomething along those lines. And
he was so good. And from thenon, the movie just became good.
But man that first 20 minutes orso? Like when they're saying in

(12:26):
the bar? Yeah, there. Yeah, kindof pompous. He she says not fun
at all. But it's, it's long. Butanyways, yeah. What

Vanessa (12:36):
do you think? No, same.
I mean, um, I actually, like Iheard the first part was really
good. So I guess I just waslike, Okay, I'm in it. I already
kind of know a little bit ofwhat happens. And then, yeah,
like, I liked a lot of it. Ithought there was a very Glee
like feeling to it, because it'sby the guy who did Glee and
American Horror Story and allthat jazz. Like, he's that dude,

(12:58):
that guy. And so I was like, Icould see the edges of like,
really, really good ideas,things that are working really
well and then some like,probably couldn't get that but
that's okay. And you know, andlike the the terms the
characters take I felt were likepretty, pretty strong for the
most part. So some some of thetwists. I felt like a million

(13:18):
miles away, but that's okay.
Yeah.

Eric (13:22):
It's a fun musical. You might enjoy that and never heard
about this prom.

Vanessa (13:26):
Yeah, Netflix. I

Kelly (13:28):
think so. Yeah. A Ryan Murphy production?

Vanessa (13:32):
I believe so. Yeah. You know, you know,

Kelly (13:38):
maybe I'll give it a try.

Vanessa (13:40):
Check out anything.

Eric (13:43):
Well, we had a not so fun couple days. Oh, no. had to take
our cat in for an ultrasound.
And he seems to be doing okay.
We're having to give himmedication two times a day. And
let me tell you, it's cats areso much fun to give medication
do yeah, we went on YouTube tocheck out. Let's watch how to do

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it. And these people are here.
It's just like that I finallyfound this one word ladies. Like
I'm going to show you what it'sreally like to give medication
to a cat. She's like, wrap themin a blanket. runs away. Like
Yes, that sounds like but heseems to be doing quite better
days even so hoping for that. Soon the non depressing sound. I

(14:26):
did watch which one of these Iwant to talk about first porno.
The Fangoria from I see that.
How

Kelly (14:36):
are you? Oh Shatta Wale.
Oh, you'd

Eric (14:38):
mentioned it and it just kept pushing back. So I was
like, man, as I'm doing my 2020rundown and I tell you, I
enjoyed it. Yeah, it's notgreat, but it's not anything
more or less than it should be.
You know, I mean,

Kelly (14:54):
I I thought it was a really fun movie saddled with a
very poor title. Yeah, the titleis it doesn't work for the film
either. No, it's like

Eric (15:07):
and it leaves a few weird things hanging like the boss
thing seems to just be part ofthe been clipped and done. And
but I thought although the leadpeople were fun, the setting was
fun.

Kelly (15:22):
felt very much like a like 80s driving movie.

Eric (15:26):
Yeah, yeah. A lot better than a lot of the people that
say they're going out to makeI'm making an 80s movies like
you didn't, right. But

Kelly (15:36):
Patty Jenkins

Eric (15:38):
are early 90s movie League of Their Own and Encino Man
where the movies are showing inthe theater. At first I thought
it was a retro theater. Likewhat is this like right here at
Rancho like, Oh, nice timeperiod because there's no cell
phones. There's nothing butyeah, I think he didn't try.
It's got some crass, wonderfullycrass humor and horribly weird

(16:02):
violence. But it nothingoutside. Nothing that felt wrong
for the film.

Kelly (16:09):
Now if I remember this is a Fangoria film. During all the
horrible shit that was going onwith Fangoria last year. Oh, I
totally forgot about that.
previous five years,

Eric (16:20):
it might be the best film I've seen labeled A Fangoria
film. And I can't think of toomany off time I had, but the
ones I can think of. Were not.
Well, last year they had that

Kelly (16:32):
but they also had VFW which I thought

Eric (16:34):
that was a Fangoria. Okay.
Yes, sir. Yeah, both of whichhad been sitting on my list of
things to watch, but I would putVFW in front of porno, but we
are both worth watching. VFW isvery, I think you'd like it a
lot. Because it's very Carpenteresque in the assault on precinct
13 way.

Vanessa (16:52):
Very, very cool. I know. Because it's hard. When
you read up premise. I feel likesometimes that's just useless to
describe what you're about toactually be in for. So I read
the premises like, and then Iwatched the trailer and I was
like, I mean, I guess we'll getto it eventually. Yeah, you
don't want to necessarilysometimes you don't want to
watch a trailer because they'regonna go like,

Eric (17:11):
Okay, well,

Vanessa (17:12):
there's the movie, you know. Exactly. And I hate having
things spoiled. For me. It's oneof my biggest pet peeves. So

Kelly (17:21):
I'm guessing you watch that on shutter. Yes. Also on
shutter and also somethingyou've watched? Was the creep
show holiday special? Yes. Whichwas delightful. Once the finest
thing outside of the originalfilm that has had creep show
tacked on to it.

Vanessa (17:38):
Yes. Yeah. That's awesome. Live action or it is
live.

Eric (17:43):
Very fun. And I think I don't remember if it was a text
or where you posted I've donesome media thing. I think you
nailed one of the the watchingthe whole movie. Are those
short. It had that one problem.
It's still not a creep show.
storyline, right. It doesn'thave the morality lesson. But

Kelly (18:03):
the rest of the creep show concepts were present the
fun weird humor that a very funsense of humor, and it is
definitely Christmas themed. Andit's based on a story by Jay
Conrad. If you've ever read anyof his stuff, his stuff is
bonkers. So I thought it wasvery funny and fitting. And I

(18:24):
liked it quite a bit. You andCraig were texting back about
it. And I was like the holidayspecial, that piece of shit.
Like, no, no, no, this just cameout. So I watched it. And I was
so happy. I do.

Unknown (18:40):
Yeah, it's well worth saying how is it like a half
hour long thing?

Kelly (18:44):
feels like it's a little longer than that.

Eric (18:46):
And it's just once it's 40 some odd minutes. I remember
doing Craig mentioned it and Ilooked it up. Oh, it's only 40
minutes. I'll watch it rightnow. So I just watched it right
away. And it's a perfect length.
It's kind of like we talkedabout the Mandalorian does the
right length. This is Ray theright length with us too.

Kelly (19:03):
Right? Yeah.

Vanessa (19:05):
Well, I also checked out like a fresh to Christmas
film on Christmas. The moviesoul, which did come out on
Disney actually Disney.

Eric (19:19):
Oh yeah. The Pixar.

Vanessa (19:20):
Yep, the new Pixar piece that just dropped and be
done by the exact same dude whodid inside out. Very similar
vibes. Kind of a different sideof psychology. I'd say. I'm
equally fascinating. I didn'tlike it as much as inside out.
It didn't quite resonate with mequite as strong. But the story

(19:43):
super solid. I mean, it's aPixar movie.

Eric (19:49):
Did it make you cry?

Vanessa (19:51):
No. But I mean, yeah, I mean, the thing is, when I'm not
in a movie theater, the chancesI'm going to cry are like
significantly original, really.
So Not for me. That's a way inwhich I can get fully immersed
and if I see like a lamp or likesomething flickering in a window
or whatever, it kind of come outin and out a little bit more. So
let's just say a bad

Kelly (20:13):
drop of a hat.

Eric (20:14):
Yeah, it's if it's a Pixar movie, and I don't I at some
point, there's a I don't thinkthat's possible. I think ours
100% cry. Like for real likeit's Did either of you got a
chance to check it out? No, Ijust saw the other day that it
was existant. Oh,

Vanessa (20:32):
yes. Yeah, it super fun. really nicely done. And
definitely a different type ofstory. I love that Pixar is now
delving more and more intominority voices. Yeah. And
they'd already done the day thedead movie, which I

Eric (20:49):
haven't seen yet either.
Oh, my gosh,

Vanessa (20:51):
cocoa is probably one of the best films I've just
seen. Period. It's so strong.
And it weirdly like makes youcare about certain things that
you don't otherwise care about.
And I feel like that takes a lotfor film to be like, Oh my god,
I care about my family history.
I don't know why, but I do.

Eric (21:07):
That's cool.

Vanessa (21:08):
So yeah, yeah, definitely recommend checking it

Kelly (21:12):
out. Yeah, I missed it.
Because after Wonder Woman I gotonline and furiously. A bunch of
hate speech. threatening lettersto women everywhere. Absolutely.

Vanessa (21:23):
I mean, it's what I was done to women, comma, full moon,
comma, period, comma, WonderWoman, and just find the first
link and just start talkingabout how much you hate people.

Kelly (21:38):
That's how I went. I typed in, you know, women, WI mm
II, Rn and women. Oh, yeah.
That's for guys. So that's howthey like to be talking.

Unknown (21:50):
Yeah.

Eric (21:53):
I'm just gonna take a quick note on when I watch
before I continue because Idon't want to talk about it very
long. But the the holiday seasonfilm that had the guy from shits
Creek and

Vanessa (22:04):
we're right, yeah, I think I talked about it. Nailed
it.

Eric (22:07):
Oh, yeah. You're dead on correct about that. There's no
way in hell she should haveended up with the women show up
with. With Dina Yeah, we bothlike shits Creek, and it's a
romantic comedy watch with thewife. She's like, at the end.
She's like, What the hell wasshe doing with that horrible
person?

Vanessa (22:26):
Are we pauses just waiting for you? So much better.

Eric (22:31):
Yeah, that was so he was great. The guy from chef Creek
was great. But rest was fairlymediocre. And a whole bunch of
like, you know, a lot of thatyou see a movie like that, where
you know, they're setting it upfor redemption. later on. They
went too far. With the beingdickheads Yeah, by the time they
hit the fair, I mean, theredemption is like the last four

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minutes of the movie orsomething. By that time, like
I'm done with all thesecharacters.

Vanessa (22:57):
Don't give you enough of a reason for why she's
behaving as badly as she does.
And Mackenzie Davis hascharacter and it's just like, I
don't care. She doesn't have agood enough reason. This is a
stupid reason. It's a goodreason for a certain amount. And
then after that, it's like, no,you're just a bad toxic human
being. And Kristen We are sorry.

(23:19):
Kristen Stewart does better.
Jeez. Too many names.

Eric (23:22):
It's a dead solid reason.
But not the way it's carriedout. There's about five times in
that movie. She should have comeout.

Vanessa (23:28):
Yeah. Really? Okay.
More and more like this is a badhuman being Yeah.

Eric (23:36):
And another one that I know you've seen as well that I
think what's okay Hmm, butrandom acts of violence.

Kelly (23:46):
Yeah, that one was let down by that one. Actually.

Eric (23:51):
I know Grey's Anatomy has come up here your watch right?
anatomy.

Vanessa (23:55):
I've seen only the other women have made these.
See.

Eric (23:58):
I think it's great. Jesse Williams, who's one of the main
characters and grace is one ofthe main characters in that and
he's good. Was Eric one

Kelly (24:05):
of the other women

Eric (24:08):
episodes to what

Vanessa (24:11):
I've seen at least the first season and several key
pivotal episodes along the wayof which I had no actual
attachment

Eric (24:17):
you say yeah, that doesn't work.

Vanessa (24:20):
I was like, why is this so sad? The music is really
upsetting right now but I don'tI'm not connected to these
people.

Eric (24:26):
Yeah, that doesn't work.
But I gotta say the thatstatement I made that Jay her
say his name versus a bash shellmade about it being he's tired
of these films that aren't scaryand they're just like your
movies. not scary at all. Thisis not a remotely it may be
occasional creepy it does somefairly inventive and well done

(24:48):
kills, I guess. I mean, theviolence is a good slasher film.
But there's not enough of it ittry. It's like be a slasher film
or be a dramatic Killer movie.
It's,

Vanessa (25:03):
it's a real fine line to be a filmmaker and a critic
of other films. Like if you'regonna be super vocal about like,
what people mess up and whatpeople are good at, and you
better forget or be deltora

Eric (25:16):
or somebody like that comes out and says, I don't
think you're doing good fantasyscary movies here. Let me show
you right you go. Okay. Yeah.

Vanessa (25:24):
All right. Anything is like felt horror. I would never
do that. No, you're

Kelly (25:27):
never gonna hear you're making real movie as

Vanessa (25:30):
a real good filmmaker would ever do that? Mostly. So.
Yeah, it's just so frustratingthat like, I think it's just
people who are feeling nervousabout themselves and they just
lash out.

Kelly (25:44):
So really poor timing on him saying that Yeah, when we've
had just a fucking goldmine ofgreat horror lately?

Vanessa (25:53):
No good. I'm I mean, I'm not thrilled about COVID and
lockdown and everything but likeit has given a voice and an
opportunity to so many filmslike when you see that Amazon
carousel, you're getting indiefilms right next to triple A
blockbusters flipping around andyou're like, I don't know,
whatever. This one looks good.
And just the full opportunity ofwhat's been coming out has been

(26:15):
just incredible, incrediblestuff.

Kelly (26:18):
Oh, hold on. I'm writing this down. You're not thrilled
with COVID

Vanessa (26:25):
don't talk. Okay.

Kelly (26:27):
Edit that up.

Eric (26:31):
For you now.

Kelly (26:33):
Normally, when we take a break, but you guys, nobody's
gonna talk about the finale ofthe Mandalorian

Vanessa (26:40):
Oh, my God. Well, I'm glad you brought it up. No, I
think I think you wanted to talkabout it, but neither of us had
seen it. And so you said we haveto talk about it later, or
something.

Kelly (26:55):
I don't know. Who knows that won't happen. Could be who
knows. I think

Eric (27:04):
it's the key to the key to a good lie is he gives just
enough Like I said, I thought wetalked about it and you just
leave it there. You don't haveall the deep sea.

Kelly (27:13):
I missed that. Lie from Eric.

Eric (27:16):
I'm one of the worst liars are the

Vanessa (27:19):
most punchy nine. So just roll with me here. So yeah,
Mandalorian are we gonna spoilit for everybody who hasn't seen
it?

Kelly (27:25):
Well, I mean, if this this is coming out on New Year's
Eve, guys, happy new years,everybody. And that means that
the show will happen two weeksago. That's true. Yeah. And I
don't think we need to spoil itbut I don't satisfied with it.

Vanessa (27:43):
Okay, there's that's fair. Um, yes. And no, no,
really. I there was a lot Ireally liked. But every time we
get a little bit fanservice II,like the second to last episode,
I thought was kind of weak. Ithought it was really short
feeling. And it felt it wasalmost like a bridge to some

(28:04):
kind of other story. I felt likekind of no real thing happened.

Kelly (28:11):
This helmet in front of everybody. We

Vanessa (28:13):
already did that once.

Kelly (28:15):
And he's done it twice the first time this season.

Eric (28:18):
He did it in the first season.

Vanessa (28:19):
I already know what Pedro

Unknown (28:22):
fer.

Vanessa (28:23):
Um, yeah, no, um, but the final episode, there was a
lot I liked about it. I did seea lot of it coming. And just
because I'm not a fan fan ofStar Wars, I love a lot about
Star Wars, but I'm not likereligious about it. And I was
still like, Oh, I know what thatmeans. Oh, I know what that
thing is. Oh, I know where thatis. Before reveals happened. And

(28:44):
so yeah, there were things Iliked. And there were other
things. I was like, there's alot of boba related stuff that I
don't really care to watchthrough the credits.

Kelly (28:56):
I think so post credit.

Eric (29:00):
Because there's a reason there's a lot of Boba Fett.

Vanessa (29:02):
Oh, because they're coming out with another show.
Yeah, yeah. I don't care. Idon't want to see it. It's gonna
be holy cow. I'm sorry. They'regonna put out 2000 Star Wars
things and half baked, quicklyput out by whoever and maybe one
or two will be good. Let's seewhich one is probably the ones
that they didn't creativecontrol to death. And Boba Fett

(29:22):
is going to be one that theycreative control two that I
would

Kelly (29:25):
have thought we'd get a Vanessa rant on a very highly
regarded show.

Vanessa (29:31):
medullary medullary Mandalorians amazing. I'm just
saying like, I'm not enthused,and we shall see but I'm not
holding my breath. And it wasfun. I like the sequence was
fun.

Kelly (29:43):
Ah, first of all, I think it's super important that he
took off his helmet in thatscene. Yes. And it shows that
it's that his belief system isbreaking down.

Vanessa (29:54):
Yeah, I do agree with you there.

Kelly (29:55):
I was like, oh, okay, we're seeing him turn into
somebody different which Ialways say It is interesting.
And then the fan servicii endingwas something that if I had been
told it was going to happen, Iwould have railed against but
finding it out as I was watchingit. I was like, I had no idea I

(30:16):
needed this as badly as

Eric (30:17):
I feel very loved that Andy, I thought it was freaking
great. I, I don't have a problemwith Mandalorian giving fan
service, because I don't thinkthey do it very often.

Vanessa (30:27):
That's true. It's very sprinkled.

Eric (30:29):
It's in there, but they don't do it very often. And this
was story. Perfect.

Vanessa (30:35):
Yeah, no, you're

Eric (30:36):
a fan service moment that it was. It's funny,

Vanessa (30:39):
because I don't even think of that when I'm
complaining about service. DumbI know. But like that was
actually super solid. And I wasextremely excited when it
happened. And I was totally onboard for that particular thing.
It was honestly just all theBoba Fett II stuff that I was
like, I just don't care. Soyeah. You guys are both
shuffling very uncomfortableright now. But know that I do

(31:03):
agree. I think the ending itfelt so good when the reveal
occurred. And I was like, Fuck,yes. Yeah.

Kelly (31:11):
I I also am of the mind that Star Wars for being set in
a galaxy a long, long time agoand far, far away. It must be a
very tiny galaxy. Same peoplekeep bumping into each other all
the time. And I don't love that.
And I liked the Mandalorian fornot having a connection to the

(31:32):
Skywalker saga. So when theybrought in Boba Fett, I was
like, Yeah, but I felt like theydid him very well. Yeah. So I
was like, oh, okay, I'll be finewith this.

Vanessa (31:45):
I think I just wanted less of it. I think that's what
it boils down to. I was finewhen it popped up. And I was
like, okay, cool, interesting.
Blah, blah, blah. And then itjust kept he just kept hanging
around and I just wanted to getback to the because Mandalorian
It feels like each one's almosta little bit bodily. And like
the the story relying moreheavily on the relationship
between the child and theMandalorian so when we hopped

(32:08):
more towards boba I was like, Idon't I want to get once is
fine, but then I think it wasacross maybe three episodes.
Yeah, that we were hanging outin that space. So that was one I
was like

Kelly (32:25):
well, seeing Boba Fett sit down King Conan style at the
end made me go Alright,

Vanessa (32:30):
I'm out there. Like

Eric (32:35):
I forgot I forgot the actor's name but the lady from
Agents of SHIELD that's coupledwith him. I mean, when
phenomenal. I really liked

Vanessa (32:43):
I know nothing about her. So I was she seemed cool.
But yeah, she's

Eric (32:47):
great. And they just a shield. Yeah, the better
characters. And you could tellthe the Agents of SHIELD
training and that one actionscene? Yes. She does that on
screen fight. The part of what Iliked and this will definitely
probably drop into the spoilers,but I'll be careful not to say
names. But you know, anyways,one thing that throughout the

(33:08):
Star Wars saga, the Jedi havealways been talked about being
super powerful, and very rarelyhasn't been really shown.
Rightly shit, they set up andpay off.

Kelly (33:21):
how badass

Eric (33:23):
a Jedi can be in this episode. Yeah,

Unknown (33:25):
that was cool.

Eric (33:26):
I really enjoyed that. I was like, yeah, the whole time.
Like,

Vanessa (33:30):
this is so cool. Yeah, it seems so impossible up until
that moment when it you know,he's fighting on that one robot
he dude for so long, so hard andbarely making good skin of his
teeth. And then they all show upand you're like, there is no
fun. They're gonna pull somedumb shit now and then all of a

(33:50):
sudden, we see a Jedi of somedescription.

Kelly (33:55):
Part of the consistencies in Star Wars is because when we
first see Obi Wan and beta fightin A New Hope it's a couple of
old men that are kind ofwhacking their sticks together.
And then in the prequel films,we see Obi Wan leaping all over.
Shooting force, basit,everybody, sir, and, you know,

(34:17):
in that in Rogue One, we seeVader just fucking disassembled
easily at the end of that, andyou know, like, well, that
happened just before A New Hope.
And he's moving and he'screeping along pretty slowly.
They'll be lunch. So they dothat occasionally. Where they
kind of

Vanessa (34:37):
Yeah, they just want to like have a movie. Yeah, they're
like, you know what, people wantto see you right now. Fucking
Yoda flying and doingsomersaults in the air. That's
what we want more than anything.

Kelly (34:49):
I did love that. Yeah.
Like Yoda, flying wings.

Vanessa (34:58):
Yeah. All those robes.
You know, flap in the air andentertainment.

Kelly (35:06):
Alright guys, shall we take a little break and then we
can come back and when I explainwhat we're talking about

Eric (35:15):
even kind of our the idea of what led us to what films are
thing things in films that leadus to like horror, and the
movies that set us up to goOkay, these are the kind of
horror films I like. Like A goodexample would be our buddy Steve
Blank. Loves Friday the 13thmovies so that's gonna be

(35:35):
predict any problem probablygrid, a loved one who's really
young. So he moves right towardsthat slasher genre, right? Where
I like them. Hell, I own thatgiant buck set. But that's not
for me. That's not where mypinnacle of horse sits. Right,
right. So those films that leadyou to appreciate horror in

(35:56):
different ways and films thatmade that happen.

Kelly (36:00):
All right, we'll be right back. And we're talking that

Eric (36:03):
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Kelly (37:20):
We have returned and Eric Why don't you start us off on
this stuff.

Eric (37:24):
All righty. I'm gonna start off with a weird one where
I was pretty young, and it'sactually not the movie itself.
Although when I finally saw it acouple years later, I loved it.
It scared the crap out of me. Itwas the changeling

Vanessa (37:39):
Oh my god.

Eric (37:40):
No firmer there. You probably don't remember the ads
for this running but they ranscary frigging ads. Yeah. And I
went back and double check tomake sure I had the right ads in
my head. I watched the echo.
Yep, that's the one but I musttook a wheelchair for a rocking
chair or something as a littlekid I was at the time. And I
went to a friend's house and hewas old enough to to stay over

(38:03):
at a friend's house. And theyhad a rocking chair in the room
I was sleeping it oh my gosh,that got in my head. That scared
the crap out of me all i gotchide move there, I can turn to
the house. I just ignore it,what the hell's going on. So
that film just burned into mybrain. And I finally saw it on
VR Showtime to something a fewyears later, and it scared the
crap out of me because I was youknow, maybe a teen at that

(38:24):
point. I watched again, maybetwo or three years ago and it
scared the crap is so good. It'sdirected by Peter Murdoch. His
name starring George C. Scott,it set me up for loving the the
ghosts the unknown, the aspectsof horror that are unknowable.

(38:46):
And that's why probably why Idon't have a problem with
obscure endings. Or you knowwhat, that doesn't wrap things
up in about this film does. Butthat obscurity of what is
scaring you? I have no problemwith the idea of not knowing
what it is by the time that wasdone. And that was the movie
that definitely set that up.

Vanessa (39:08):
Do you remember how old you were when you sign?

Eric (39:11):
The commercial? I probably was about 1010 or 11 years? 1981
Yeah, that

Vanessa (39:17):
is it's funny because I saw that movie just a couple
years ago and it was reallyeffective. And it's kind of
long. There's moments where I'mlike, man, okay, we're still
going but every it's just sogood. It's just so yeah, the
notes it needs to hit to bescary nails.

Eric (39:36):
There is no other movie I guarantee you you will ever
watch. That'll have a tinylittle kids toy. Oh my god
scaring the crap out of you forno other reason than bouncing
down the stairs.

Vanessa (39:46):
Even with like a put together adult strong dude. As
the lens of what you arewatching it through is still
everything's Gary.

Kelly (39:55):
It's all mood. Yes. I mean, you don't really see a go
six, seven. Hang in one sceneyou get a hint of that, but
otherwise all mood. And we'vesaid it before George Scott
doesn't know how to half assanything. Give it a great
script. He didn't have to. Thisis of course coming off of his

(40:16):
great success of the dolphin, ofcourse.

Eric (40:22):
I mean, it built for success. Good point. Yes.

Vanessa (40:26):
Um, well, the film that I'm gonna first go over as well
is also from when I was a kid.
And also just kind of part of itwas super effective. So I
remember I was probably five orsix and it was the night before
Easter, and we were at mygrandma's house. And of course,
my old I have a lot of two olderbrothers, one older sister, and

(40:48):
one of my nearest brother, who'ssix years old of me, it was like
really into like, all the crazy80s guy stuff. So he was like,
I'm skateboarding and I piercedmy own here and I'm wearing
like, heavy metal t shirt. Like,I've got all the Garbage Pail
Kids. To me, I was a little kid,all of it was like intense. So

(41:11):
he's flipping the channels, andhe settles on critters. I, for
years have only seen like thisone, maybe 20 minutes segment of
critters. And I bear in mind, Ididn't get into horror properly
until much, much later in life.

(41:33):
But this was just so fittingwith my idea of what horror was
for so long, just monsters thatwere crazy and teeth and who
even knows what's going on inthe movie. And I think it
definitely set up my love ofmonsters and creature effects
later when I was old enough toreally get it. I was like, Man,

(41:54):
this is phenomenal job guys.
Like I'm just so impressed. Andas a kid, it just was one of the
many things that kind of addedup to this concept of a horror
film for me.

Eric (42:05):
Nice

Kelly (42:07):
movie that I hated when I saw it. And then as a much older
adult, I saw it again and I waslike, what was wrong with me? It
was a shady motherfucker orsomething. Because that is a
fun, fun movie.

Vanessa (42:19):
Yeah, I think the first time I've only seen it once all
the way through and I was like,Oh, this is super slapstick.
Yes, I do need to give itanother another watch through
knowing the tone better becauseI was expecting it to be really
scary. Having that memory of it.

Eric (42:37):
That's great.

Vanessa (42:38):
Oh, hmm. Okay. bounty hunters are looking for these
little fun hairy viewed superjust biting people. Whatever
turning into one Fun fact. I didfind about this phone though.
Two thumbs up.

Unknown (42:56):
Oh, nice. Yeah.

Kelly (42:59):
Either could be stingy with the thumbs up on horror. So
that's nice. Yeah,

Vanessa (43:03):
I was surprised. I was like, Man, this is I'm
constantly shocked by white Godthe praise of Mr. Ebert. Yeah,
what else but?

Kelly (43:14):
Well, I chose in my, in my fifth spot from 1984 A
Nightmare on Elm Street. Oh,nice. There's something about
this film that really hit me atthe right time. I was 15 and
1984. I didn't see it in thetheater. So I would have saw
seen it a rental, probably VHSrental, you know, whatever,

(43:38):
eight months, nine months later,since that's how long it took
just a couple little things onthis. It had a budget of 1.8
million in a box office at $26million. Tomatoes is 94% on this
film. Damn right, man. It's agood movie. It was written and
directed by Wes Craven, whopreviously had done last house

(44:01):
on the left and the Hills HaveEyes and Swamp Thing. And then
of course, he followed this witha number of films, most notably
screen, which kind of skeweredthe whole thing he had set up
there. This movie hits me wayharder than say Halloween or
Friday the 13th you know whatshould come out just prior to
these because of thesupernatural element. I don't

(44:22):
like slashes in general. Andmaybe that's just because I
don't want an actual slasher tokill me or something like that.
And this felt a little safer,but it was also cooler. The
photography was super cool. Ithad that weird dream logic
through it the the sing songyvoices of the kids and

(44:42):
everything were super creepy.
And there's the brilliant wherethey set up Amanda Willis as the
lead character and then she'sthe first one that gets killed.
And of course they do thatagain. And the the gore, the
bizarre camera angles Thisbrought me firmly in the horror.
I mean, prior to this, I wasstill into Star Wars, Rogers Laz

(45:05):
knees, nights and Amber seriesand all of that stuff. I was a
big Stephen King reader, but asfar as films went, I never
thought that they were as scaryas sure this way. Tom I thought
I was just like, wow, okayterrified.

Vanessa (45:23):
How he had such an opposite experience to me.
You're like, movies ain't bescary. Scary. I was like, Man
movies are terrifying. I want tosee one of these suckers.

Eric (45:36):
See the horror of these fuzzy little creatures?

Vanessa (45:40):
It was all terrifying.
keyboarding was terrifying.
Everything is big and scary. Ibut bear in mind, I spent first
grade hiding underneath a desk.
So

Eric (45:54):
best anyway from those nukes a lot older than me.

Vanessa (45:59):
That's, that's such a good pic. Kelly got, I was on my
Hill to be that young. And thattime like being a teenager when
I came out. So that was

Eric (46:11):
the the I didn't pick it.
But it was one of those likethat that scene of the bodybag
in the

Kelly (46:19):
hall. So scary.

Eric (46:21):
So amazing. The problem is, it's a flat out horror film.
And then for some reason, allthe sequels decided to turn them
into this weird

Kelly (46:31):
clown. Yeah, it's very strange that they did that. And
you know, I don't care for manyof the sequels. That first movie
is scary. And he's given verylittle to say, you know, there's
a couple of lines that he's gotin his raspy voice. And it just
all worked so beautifully. Ithought.

Eric (46:50):
Yeah, for my next one here is I'm going more in
chronological order. was a somefilm we've probably talked about
before, came out in 1982.
Carpenter's the thing. What?

Kelly (47:08):
I don't know if this

Eric (47:11):
didn't make sense. But I didn't know for doing Rotten
Tomatoes or not.

Kelly (47:17):
No, no, I only did it because I think that it matters
with the movies I picked.

Eric (47:21):
The. So this one is now really high on Rotten Tomatoes,
even though Rotten Tomatoes isaround, maybe two, it probably
would have been like a 30 on thecritic side. But this one led a
different aspect of horror. I'mthe only one of the three of us
that's watched a lot of theextreme stuff and is interested

(47:42):
in that. And I think that camefrom this because I saw this
very young would have been 13 or14 probably on HBO. So it's full
on or Showtime. We didn't haveHBO and Showtime. But full
uncut. And my parents were verymuch like how can you handle
watching this stuff? It's likeyou got freaked out by Dirty

(48:05):
Harry like, dirty hair is real.
Right? But the the idea of herhair is real. But the idea that
they thought it was interestingthat I could handle this real
intense and heavy. Gore stuffprobably hit me in a way that
I'm like, oh, let's see how muchI can handle. And so that in
Twin Falls, there wasn't a lotof that to find because you're

(48:29):
not gonna find anything muchmore intense than the thing that
your local Idaho video store,sir. So when I moved to Seattle
and discovered Scarecrow, Istarted seeing what they had and
you know, necromantic and to alesser extent, della mortadella,
more or less, more conceptuallythan actually brutal. But Henry

(48:50):
portrait of serial killer allthese films that really, really
pushed the boundaries of whatcan still be a good film, even
while going way over the top ofyour content. I think that's the
film that led me to that. Wow,

Vanessa (49:09):
that's really that's really interesting, too, because
I definitely don't go towardsthose extremes. But I love that
you were like, kind of pushingyourself with this and go What
else can I do?

Unknown (49:23):
Well, far can we go?

Vanessa (49:27):
So yeah, my next. My next film is actually Yes,
jumping in time as well. I'malso kind of doing a
chronological Kelly's. Okay, nowmaybe

Kelly (49:37):
you asked me

Vanessa (49:40):
when I definitely was avoiding horror for many, many
years, but when I was 16, I wentto a midnight screening of a
film I knew literally nothingabout I was dragged there by my
cousins who have basically onlywatch very tame films and
couldn't play the scary videogames or anything. So as like,

(50:00):
I'm sure whatever I'm seeing isjust fine. And lo and behold, I
went to see Blair Witch, whoreally blind, no idea what was
going on. And I definitelywasn't one of the people where
when it ended, I thought, oh mygod, it's real, because they had
a credit sequence. So I wassmart enough to be like, a

(50:20):
credit, see,

Eric (50:21):
but if you hadn't been exposed to all the advertising
and stuff that set it up, Ididn't have anything. Yeah, they
ran easily. And I think to thisday, probably the best online
advertising campaign of any filmever released. And so a lot of
people walked in there thinkingit was real. And the credits
were, you know, just the peoplethat put the footage together.

(50:43):
They're

Vanessa (50:44):
the ones who dug it up for whatever. Yeah, and it's
interesting, because I did havea little look and online and
their website is stillfunctioning. And even, like,
watch these videos or whatever,any tiny thumbnail that you
like. so tiny, like expand thewindow, and it just remains just

(51:04):
as tiny, and the sounds allblown out. And like somebody's
talking, and then a bunch ofcursing happens on top of what
they're saying. And I was like,oh, that would be really freaky,
actually. But like, I kind ofknow what this is. So it's
hilarious. Now a

Kelly (51:17):
little little quick time symbol as you wait for it to
load.

Vanessa (51:21):
That would have been good, but my internet was just
too fast. And the way this filmreally ended up resonating with
me is when I ended up trying tofigure out what I was going to
do a thesis for when I did mymasters on film studies. I ended
up doing it on horrordocumentaries. And I think that
this just had planted a littleseed in me that I was just like,

(51:43):
you know what no one is talkingabout at that point. Very few
people were talking about like Iwas looking at like man bites
dog and whatever that New Jerseyone was last broadcast. Like
these were the films thatexisted not the slew of like
Cannibal Holocaust watchCannibal Holocaust and I watched
snuff and like just a lot ofmovies, but I was very worried I

(52:06):
wouldn't be allowed back intothe United States after but it
was fine. Um, and it just reallyopened that door for me a little
bit more to my curiosity andforced me to sit through all
these other movies. So yeah, Ijust kind of got that that ball
rolling even though I don'tknow. I guess I do have a real

(52:27):
fear now that I'm saying this oflooking at something on a screen
that is different than what itis when you're seeing in real
life. That does get me to thecore of like a camcorder
recording one thing and youreyes seeing something different
just freaks me out

Kelly (52:43):
so well. And screens are such a huge part of your life.

Vanessa (52:47):
It's such a huge Yeah, absolutely. I'm I have yet I've
thought about recording myselfsleeping to see if anything
happens. And I can't do it. I'mtoo scared. I'm too scared. What
if something happens? What if Ido something? What if something
goes on? It's fair? It's It'stoo much.

Eric (53:04):
Have you watched like Mongo yet? That's right.

Vanessa (53:07):
I have Yeah,

Eric (53:08):
that's a pretty good one for that. Yeah,

Vanessa (53:09):
that's a scary movie.

Kelly (53:12):
Eric, I have long joke that I wish that you and I were
gay so that we could likegetting together. We know each
other so well. That I would havethrown the thing on my list, but
I knew it was gonna be let's nothave this. Conversely, I hate

(53:33):
The Blair Witch so much.

Vanessa (53:38):
It's not because I love this movie. It just affected me.
I thought that's what we'redoing. Kelly. I thought it
wasn't just the movies we like.

Kelly (53:45):
Okay, well, there is a little bit of entertainment
going on here to the listeners.

Vanessa (53:50):
Sorry, sorry.

Kelly (53:51):
I'm sorry. Bob.

Vanessa (53:53):
Talked about Blair Witch I did get. I did watch
Daniel Merricks other movie, andwe do all remember how I felt
about that.

Kelly (54:01):
So that's right. Because it's Eduardo Sanchez. Who?

Vanessa (54:05):
Yeah, makes me forget.

Kelly (54:08):
Well, this will come as no surprise to you guys. But I
cheated on my next one. And Ihave a tie.

Vanessa (54:16):
All right, I would say like, a soul or something or
video

Kelly (54:19):
game? No, it is a tie between the 1986 movies the
Wraith retreat. Oh, okay. RottenTomatoes scores 36% and 75%
respectively.

Eric (54:33):
Oh, that's much higher than I was expecting. Wow. Yeah.

Kelly (54:38):
There's a reason that these are always inextricably
linked in my head. And that'sbecause I saw them as a double
feature, right? Oh my god six.
And this absolutely cemented afew tropes that are just my
favorites when it comes tohorror films. The teen setting
rock and roll. There's acomeback from the dead. Yeah, so

(54:58):
in the rave and find out theCharlie Sheen is the ghost of a
different kid that the group ofcar thieves killed one night and
he's back for revenge takingthem all out one by one with his
souped up dodge interceptor. Andin trigger treat the spirit of
recently deceased deceased metalsuperstar Sammy curb, is brought
back to life by one of hisbiggest fans, and it's done by

(55:21):
spitting one of his recordsbackwards. fuckin love. Then,
although Sammy is also Alford,then his fan Eddie realizes that
he's gone too far and must stophim. So both of these are kind
of opposite sides of the samecoin. The Wraith is pale writer
is high plains drifter, a manwho has been killed and comes
back to punish the men that didit and try to treat Edie has

(55:43):
Sammy Sammy punishing the kidswho bullied him until he
realizes that is completelyspiraled out of control. And I
absolutely love both of thesekinds of stories the the I've
come back for revenge, and thepart where there's there's the
main character who's trying tostop something that he said

(56:03):
emotion and everything he doesactually pushes it forward into
the worst place it could be. Andhe keeps making it worse by
trying to stop it. As a writer,these both, you know, lodged in
my head, and I wrote a ton ofthis kind of, you know, short
story fiction while I was inhigh school, so I just really

(56:24):
love these movies. I don't thinkthey're great movies.

Vanessa (56:33):
Damn right.

Eric (56:34):
It's been a long time since I've seen the rave but we
did Trick or treat for I thinkone of our double that one of
our double feature thing sinks.
So yeah, I've seen thatrecently. That is

Vanessa (56:44):
awesome. It's so much fun. It's so good. I haven't
seen the race. But I have seentrigger tree. And it's so funny,
because anytime somebody says,Trick or Treat such a good
movie, and I always think ofthat one, right? Yes. And the
other one I'm like,

Eric (56:55):
No, did you say trick? or treat or?

Vanessa (57:00):
Finance thyself?

Kelly (57:01):
I will say this, I'm not sure that you would get what I
got out of the race. Sure. Andthat's because you know, I
wanted fast cars and hot womenand rock and roll. That's all
that movies about Gods. Copper.
17. Come on.

Vanessa (57:19):
Hey, man, I got it. I mean, I don't expect that you
would have liked the 17 either.

Kelly (57:25):
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Fine. Yeah, there's

Eric (57:28):
that. That's pretty good.

Vanessa (57:29):
That's a lifelong commitment.

Eric (57:32):
Yeah, I'm sure you'll know at least two of the next three
I'm going to talk about but Iwas surprised if you know the
third. So the next one down thelist is another little hard to
hear a film called Hellraiser.
Mm. 1987 with a 72 and a 72.

(57:53):
rating?

Kelly (57:54):
Wow. The critics got it right, I guess.

Eric (57:59):
Part of what this like we mentioned before, the slasher
genre, which really dominatedthe 80s I enjoyed watching but
never really grasped me neverpulled me into the level. This
one did. This was like. Andwhat's frustrating about it is
almost a singular film. Itdidn't lead to a whole bunch of

(58:22):
like, knockoff kind of films.
It's, it's what it is, peoplehave tried to recreate it. They
sort of close with two andnothing since then, not even in
the sequels. And there'scertainly not a large quantity
of films that fall into theHellraiser style. Which part of
the reason I love it. I justthink it's a singular unique

(58:45):
vision from Clive Barker. And itreally hasn't been duplicated.
And at the time, it floored me.
It blew me away. Leave, I wasable to see this in, I would
have been old enough to see itin the theater. And I'm pretty
sure I did. Pretty heavy horrorfan by the time I was late 80s.

(59:05):
And I didn't know what to makeof it. I didn't fully grasp what
was going on with this film. AndI love that. I bet goes back to
the changeling thing I wastalking about I love a film that
makes me go. Well, hold on. Theviolence was almost artistic. It

(59:26):
was more where Tom savinicreates incredibly realistic
looking things. This was artlevel violence that was so
strange and different and notlike anything I'd seen before.
The Jesus wept moment was justlike the concept of somebody

(59:49):
digging out to come back asopposed to most movies. When
somebody comes back. They justthey're there. That's their
point. It's like oh, they'reback from hell. And the The
story goes from that this wasabout Getting back. And it was
about getting back when you putyour own dumb ass in the
situation that you're trying toescape from. So it's all really

(01:00:09):
just morality is interesting,the I forgot the name of the
mom, but she plays a uniquecharacter for the 80s for a
woman who totally controls herworld. Ashley Lawrence is
amazing. And what probably CliveBarker's best overall realized
film, although I tried severalof his movies. And it just, it's

(01:00:32):
different. It's unique. And Ilove that about it. I'm always
looking for another film thathit me like Hellraiser does.

Vanessa (01:00:38):
Yeah. It's funny, because with Hellraiser, I think
it benefits so much by notchoosing definitively like what
country you're in. But it almostlends this extra fantastical
relatable, but unrelatableelement to it, that is
completely impossible torecreate. Like, there's just no
way to make that again. And it'sjust another thing that just

(01:01:01):
layers onto this crazy.

Eric (01:01:04):
I can film. Yeah, that's true.

Kelly (01:01:06):
That's very, that falls into the newlywed category to
put that down, but I knew thatwas gonna be there's something
you when you say is unique man.
The fact that you've got theses&m angels popping up every once
in a while. It's like what isgoing on? And I don't think that

(01:01:26):
I mean, I was hit that way toowhen I saw it. And I don't think
I ever found anything similar tothat until I started finally
getting into Cronenberg films orsomething like that. And I
realized, oh, there's this superuncomfortable sexiness in what's
going on and Hellraiser the thewife who's cheating on her

(01:01:51):
husband with his brother and andthen the brother comes back in
the body of the dad and wants tohave sex with the daughter, all
this stuff. And it's Yeah, it'sit's all very naughty.

Eric (01:02:06):
Yeah, that's true. Without being a sex on a beach or
something like that right now.
It's

Vanessa (01:02:14):
just yeah, it's both sad. Oh, so unsexy. It's like
you get it to certain executivesyou that feeling really good
Damn, that's a hot boo Horrelldo it this awful Well, I

Kelly (01:02:27):
mean, if you think about it, put in the hands of maybe
just an American director, butdefinitely put in the hands of a
straight director. There wouldhave been a lot of nudity in
that movie, right and there's nonudity in that. Yeah. For such a
sexual storyline.

Vanessa (01:02:44):
No nudity where they have skin on.

Kelly (01:02:49):
Which is like the ultimate nudity.

Eric (01:02:53):
Really reveal just up, denuded? Just blanked on his
name Chris Alexander,

Kelly (01:02:57):
the composer, Christopher young plus for you.

Eric (01:03:02):
Love the soundtrack to this film.

Kelly (01:03:04):
Yeah, spectacular,

Eric (01:03:05):
just amazing. Beautiful, beautiful music that really fits
what's going on on screen.

Vanessa (01:03:12):
Um, speaking of sexy films, I'm not gonna spend too
much time on this because I'vetalked about a pretty in depth
before the fog. Fog I purposelyI did I'm not gonna do the fog,
even though I could totally dothe fog. No, I want to give you
all a break. But I do need tomention for sure. The Wicker
Man? Oh, yeah, sure, because itjust it did have such a huge

(01:03:36):
effect on me. I saw when I wasprobably 20. And I still wasn't
on the horrible dream. And, andjust, I don't know, I didn't
know what to think of it. And Imentioned it before, but I hated
it. I just hated it. I hatedeverything about it. And I

(01:03:56):
suddenly realized it was becauseI just done eight years of
Catholic school. And I've beenraised in a very specific way.
And it was so insulting, and inmy face. And it was I felt like
it was directed at me. And thenI took a step back and I was
like, what why am I so angry?
And rewatching this movie I justrealized, oh my god is just so

(01:04:19):
powerful and interesting andpaganism and questioning and not
questioning yourself. And itwasn't a horror film in a way
that I had formed the idea ofwhat or was it was something
that sad deep inside of me andlike Kurt curdled it and it
still is there. Like when Ithink about certain moments in

(01:04:42):
that it's still just freaks meout slash excites me in that
same way. So yeah, Wicker Man.

Kelly (01:04:51):
Oh, this is one of my favorite stories about you.
Because what went Did yourewatch it after having this
realization was like a day ortwo later? That's what I
thought. It's that's speaks alot about your character and
your ability to examine what'sgoing on in your own head.

Vanessa (01:05:11):
Yeah, I definitely one of those people who I constantly
try to assess myself and I, andI try to be very open to things.
And if I am very unopen, tosomething, I like to know why
and whether or not I'm actuallyright. If I'm right, I'm like,
freaking right. Trust me, Ialready played this game with
myself. Then it's like, Okay,what is up was going on in this

(01:05:34):
film. I mean, I was so angry.
And I had a huge fight with theguy I was dating at the time
over it, like just enormousblowout over this film. And then
he went off to work the nextday. And I was like, okay,
what's going on? pop it back in?
Let's see, let's do and I thinkI saw it like three or four
times, just like in those coupleof days, just trying to wrap my

(01:05:56):
head around it. And by the endof that I was Yeah, I feel like
it was like baptism throughfire, like I came out the other
end a better person, for sure.

Eric (01:06:05):
That's awesome. That's why I think the potential of therapy
for through film is realtherapies word is very real. And
that's part of the reason Ithink you fit in this category.
Well, probably two, two is theconcept of giving people a
trigger warning for somethingthat might scare them. I've

(01:06:26):
watched a lot of films now thatdeal with things that, you know,
like, people might avoid, youknow, suicide and dementia
films. And it helps. Right, youknow, it helps to look right
into that. Yeah. And so I thinkit's definitely a great way to
interpret film. I mean, yeah,

Vanessa (01:06:47):
that's one of the wonderful things like he said,
that's one of the wonderfulthings about film is, you leave
your own experience behind andyou engage in a world. And
there's a certain set ofagreements that exist, but then
they're also you're giving upcertain things or saying I'm
willing to be to go through thisuniverse that I don't fully, I'm

(01:07:09):
not, you know, I, it mightchallenge me. And yeah,
absolutely. Like, I don't know,I, I'm the same way kind of with
trigger warnings for myselfpersonally, where I don't even
you know, what, like, I'veexperienced all kinds of things
in my life. I don't need to knowwhat is gonna be because if it
affects me, it affects me. Andmaybe that's a really good
thing. Maybe I need somebody togo through that with me. You

(01:07:31):
know, and I need to see the badparts of and go, yeah, it did
suck when these things occurred.
Yes, it did. Thank you for like,defining that in a way that can
be expressed that maybe I can inmy own world. So

Eric (01:07:43):
yeah, I understand why some people want to avoid it.
I'm not gonna be littlesomebody's trying to avoid that.
But I think it's worth lookinginto, you know, if you find
yourself hitting, I can't watcha movie that has this. Yeah. And
you probably know exactly why.
But at the same time, like maybeyou should help yourself along a
little bit more with that.

(01:08:05):
Because movies aren't.

Vanessa (01:08:09):
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I I totally actually, now that
you said that a lot. I'vedefinitely been on both sides of
the coin. There are there are afew films I will never watch
again. Sure, but I probablyshould. But she's suffered right
now. But yeah, like but thereare so many other that, you
know, I just didn't expect itand just cracks me up inside.

(01:08:29):
Not in a humorous way but in anemotional way.

Kelly (01:08:34):
going deep and like you both and I am so happy you let
me do this show with you guys.
Very, very good, smart people.
All right, shut up on

Eric (01:08:48):
my turn. Now for this deep shit. You know what I liked?

Kelly (01:08:52):
Number three, and I believe my most recent film is
from 2005. Eric, you saw this inthe theater with me and that is
the descent oh I am just goingto mention a couple of these
numbers again because I thinkit's important a budget of three
and a half million dollars wowrocks Office of 57 million even

Vanessa (01:09:13):
without money.

Kelly (01:09:14):
Rotten Tomatoes on this is 86% this was written and
directed by Neil Marshall whoprior to this Dig Dug soldiers
before then followed thismasterpiece with the biggest
pile of shit Doomsday never saywhat happened there but he was

(01:09:35):
set to become my all timefavorite director this movie.
Like Nightmare on Elm Street.
This is a scary movie. Thismovie is scary before the
monsters even show up. It's ait's about five female
spelunkers ago cave diving andend up lost in an unexplored
cave system, having to deal withtheir own insecurities and their

(01:09:56):
issues with each other. And ifthat isn't bad enough, there is
a nest of blind albino quaintcave dweller monsters that have
been trapped down there forhundreds of generations. And it
is fucking terrifying. Part ofit is fucking terrifying. While
not all of it is fuckingterrifying because of my, the

(01:10:17):
whole rule I try to set formyself whenever I'm making a
writing script or doing anythingis, I will believe any premise
you put in front of me, as longas the characters in the film
act realistically about it.
Yeah. So if it's a ridiculouspremise, they have to be they

(01:10:40):
have to be questioning thiswhole thing. Be going, How is
this even possible? Why is thisgoing on. And these five women
are super smart. They're the topof their game, and their best
friends who have a couple oflittle secrets from each other.
And all that stuff startsunraveling the friendship and
the trust, you know, right whenthey need it most. And that's a

(01:11:04):
super interesting story withoutthe monsters. I think that as I
get in deeper, and definitelywith my number one story, you'll
find out that most of themonster stories I love are
actually human stories, right?
And interaction betweencharacters when they have to
deal with these extremesituations. Man, I think this

(01:11:24):
plot is perfect. I think the thephotography is perfect. I think
the script is perfect. This filmis a goddamn treasure. And if
you don't like it, you don'tlike cinema.

Vanessa (01:11:38):
If you don't like it, you haven't seen it.

Eric (01:11:40):
Yeah, I did a talk to the film school a few years ago,
where I use this film as anexample of setting up tension
for an entire movie. Becausethat opening segment well guess
not exactly opening, but theopening segment where they go
through that tiny little dropsthe suspense so deep that it no

(01:12:01):
matter what happened, the restof that film that suspense is
there, no matter what they'redoing.

Kelly (01:12:06):
And I thought that was so brilliant, you and I saw this in
I think in a break from the filmschool or something. But I know
that we went back and talk toone of our teachers about it.
And I remember it was not a fulltheater. And so we're in this
gigantic theater watching thismovie. And that scene happens
and my claustrophobia was justkicking in hard in the middle of

(01:12:29):
this huge auditorium.

Eric (01:12:30):
Yeah. My memory of watching that film is of the
theater somehow getting darker.
Yeah, as we're watching it. Andit's just like, I know, that
didn't happen. But that's whatit felt like. Yeah, that's a
brilliant film. It's Yeah.

Kelly (01:12:44):
And his masterpiece.
Yeah. So he's gone on anddirected some episodes of
various series. I know. He evendirected an episode of I
believe. What's the raised bywolves? I think he didn't really
so he's still, you know,puttering around and doing
stuff. But whatever magic hehad. I think that he spent it on
young soldiers and the descent.

Eric (01:13:07):
Yeah, it's too bad because man. Okay, here's another one
that Kelly will know. It's goingto be on this list and the other
Carpenter film and know exactlywhich one it is 95 in the mouth
of madness. Yeah, I talked aboutthis a few times, because I was
definitely old, came out as itmy 20s and it still floored me.

(01:13:32):
Now what the looking at this andreexamining part of the reason I
love it so much isn't what's inthe film itself? Because I think
it's an amazing film I thinkeverything works for and I think
the What is it? 52% or 59% ofcritics and Rotten Tomatoes are
full of crap. What it broughtfor me was seeing it in the

(01:13:53):
theater. I saw it at leasttwice. And I saw a few and I saw
with Dina and I don't rememberwhich one it happened at but
there was a group of teen girlsthat showed up to have a giggly
fun time at a horror film. Ohno. And about five minutes into
the scene when I start seeing Ohno, the carpenters and all that

(01:14:14):
same. They shut up. Itabsolutely stopped them. And
they were quiet except for youknow, jump sounds or something
like that the rest of the movie.
So I'm like, what this hit mefor horror is a couple things.
One, how a group of people canbe influenced by a horror film
in a way that I think no othergenre can do. You go to a comedy

(01:14:37):
you want to laugh, you go todrama, you maybe want to cry or
feel something depending on whatthe movies about. You go to an
action movie whenever thrillride. You a lot of people go to
horror and they don't want to bescared. Not really. Unless
you're lazy like we are. I wantto be scared man scare me. But a
lot of people go have a goodtime. giggle and laugh and then

(01:14:59):
drink beers whatever afterwards.
But this one actually scaredthese people. And that was
amazing to watch for me which isso which is probably part of the
reason I love this movie somuch. I think it's a phenomenal
movie start to finish anyways,and probably one of my most
watched horror films. But theother part that got me a lot is

(01:15:24):
unlike when the thing came outwhen I wasn't old enough to
understand it. See, Criticalreaction to this film floored
me. Mike, how did you watch thesame movie I did and think I
could see no problem. Watch itpeople may be watching moving
on, okay, didn't really work forme. But it was a good show. I
get that. But to actually saythis isn't a good movie in any

(01:15:45):
way. Like,

Unknown (01:15:47):
how?

Eric (01:15:50):
If it doesn't work for you, I get that I'm not going to
go watch your average Disneymovie and go or Disney TV show
and go oh, this is terrible.
It's like, for me, it'sterrible. For eight year old
good. It's not. But this one. Ijust think it's a phenomenal
film. I think it's I think it'sone of his best films. I know
that saying a lot with Carpenterconsidering his track record for

(01:16:13):
when he's good. He is one of thebest in the business. When he's
been he's one of the worstmistakes. But that's what I
think the two things thatinfluenced me the most i thought
was most interesting about thisfilm was the way horror can hit
a crowd of people, whether theyit's really good when they don't
want it to them. Or how a groupof people could watch a film and

(01:16:37):
see something completelydifferent and I don't get what
watching what's, why are theyseeing that so differently? That
was a big influence in the way Ithink about film period.

Vanessa (01:16:50):
Yeah, it's funny because I rewatched mouth of
madness. It was the last film Isaw before lockdown the theater
in the theater nice in a kind ofscreening that one of our local
cinemas that likes to pick upolder films and play them dead.
But I love what you're sayingabout how it plays with
expectation or at least he playswith expectation because there

(01:17:12):
were definitely moments in therewhere I felt like even though
I'd seen the film before I waslike that came out of nowhere.
Oh my God, Jesus. Okay, we'reWhat? And it just it really does
defy it, but not in a way thatundercuts it. It's only in a way
that adds to this like eerinessand other nests and lovecraftian
craziness that really works forit.

Kelly (01:17:36):
Yeah, more of the newlywed stuff. Yeah. Because
you know how much I love it. Ithink it is his best and it also
sets up or it didn't set up butit it plays with a one of the
tropes I love the the hauntedbook, basically, I am a big fan
of that the whole Lovecraftconnection was really
interesting. And this goes backto the the West Craven stuff

(01:18:00):
with Nightmare on Elm Street.
There's a dream logic thatwouldn't make sense in a regular
movie that makes complete sensein this and and it's because
they're, you know, he justjammed in like the scariest
moments of different movies.
Yeah, it works with this verythin thread he's got them
connected with. But the leadcharacter, Sam Neil's fucking

(01:18:23):
brilliant and everything. Hereacts the way you should react
when nothing makes sense. Yes, Iagree. And he feels like he's,
you know, being tricked and allof this stuff. And so you
completely go along with it,even if, I mean if this was a
bunch of teen kids who aregoing, you know, oh, my
goodness, what's going on? Youwould never buy into that

(01:18:44):
because you would never act thatway being faced with those
obstacles. Yeah.

Eric (01:18:48):
The I think one of the perfect scenes that represents
that so well is when he'stalking about, well, that was
written and he opened up thiswindow and there should be a
dark church out there. And thelady with him says you didn't
read close enough, right? Andopens the other window. There's
like, oh, and you're right. Hesimilar to Bruce Willis and 12

(01:19:11):
monkeys. His journey if you dropinto Sam Neill journey in there,
and you flow with that. It worksperfectly.

Kelly (01:19:19):
Absolutely.

Vanessa (01:19:21):
Now it's interesting because you guys both talked
about your theater experiencesand and this one for me is
absolutely a theater experience.
So this I saw when I was 25. Andit was right around the time
that I was like, Okay, I canwatch some horror movies, I
guess, and maybe they don't suckand maybe they're not all just
scary and exists to make me feelbad. Maybe they actually have

(01:19:44):
stories in them and other thingsgoing on. So I went with my best
English friend and to go see theorphanage. Now, it is really
interesting because I had beenI'm starting to really
understand and dissect moviesand all that kind of stuff. And
I was watching this film. Andmaybe I told you guys this

(01:20:06):
before, but I could, it was justme and her and her boyfriend in
the theater. Nobody else totallyempty Tottenham Court Road, just
like this, you know, not a hugescreen, but like a medium sized
screen. And I started hearingthese noises on either side of
and I was like, wow, they aredoing some crazy shit with the
soundtrack. They're like puttingin sounds that don't even belong

(01:20:28):
there. It must be some weirdpsychological warfare thing
going on. And I was just totallyengaged and loving how this film
was scary without being gross.
And, and I read it was helpingme to realize that there was
this other kind of film thatmaybe I hadn't spent much time

(01:20:48):
in. Whereas a horror film thatisn't just about, like, the the
parts that I was the scariest ofit. So it was a very good
stepping stone for me. But Butpartway through the movie, I
noticed off on the right handside of theater, there was this
popcorn bowl rolling down theaisle. And there was some

(01:21:12):
movement. And I realized all thesounds I was hearing were rats.
Oh, no, we got a lot of ratsaround and I paused for a minute
inside. And I looked to my leftto my right. And they were just

(01:21:33):
having a great time, all over.
And at that point in my life, myfashion was to wear these shorts
of cowboy boots and likestockings. So I was like,
basically in shorts and likethin, thin black stockings. And
I just took one foot at a timeand gently put them up on the
seat. So my feet weren't on theground. And then I watched the

(01:21:55):
movie. And it was the best courtexperience I've ever had. And I
didn't tell the people who I waswith until the movie ended. And
I was like, oh, by the way, thatwas fast. I just watched them
through Oh, God, it was so good.

(01:22:15):
But that they did definitelylend to that experience for me.
And yeah, I will never forgetthat word.

Kelly (01:22:24):
Wow. When when I first met Eric, he was also going to
the short stockings, and it was

Eric (01:22:32):
like the red carpet.
Right? That's right.

Vanessa (01:22:35):
But I get it. I get it for sure. Sometimes you got to
pop.

Eric (01:22:39):
I was inspired by the lady and Footloose.

Kelly (01:22:44):
That is a big one. And that movie is scary and
heartbreaking. Yeah.

Vanessa (01:22:50):
And yeah, interesting.
Cuz I know I only thought thatone time, because I kind of
don't want to ruin theexperience. But I was waiting
for something gruesome to occur.
And I seem to remember the onlyphysical thing that happened was
a hand get slammed in a door orin a drawer. And that was kind
of the worst physical moment. Imight be wrong. But I just

(01:23:13):
remember being like, wow, thataffected me as much as maybe
having somebody sawed in halfwould in any other film. And I
just loved the way thatsomething so quiet and so easy
could be so effective.

Eric (01:23:25):
I recently rewatched it and enjoyed it as much and then
it ended up going. Oh, yeah.

Kelly (01:23:34):
Oh, yeah. Did we see that in the theater?

Eric (01:23:37):
I think so.

Kelly (01:23:38):
Because I remember, this is back when I wasn't as
comfortable telling people thatI cried constantly. And that was
a horror movie that made me cryat the end.

Eric (01:23:48):
Yeah.

Kelly (01:23:48):
So if we sat in the theater, I was probably like,
Well, that was a good one, Iguess.

Vanessa (01:23:54):
something deeper and just like you were saying, it's
not necessarily about thehorror. It's about the other
stories happening within it.

Kelly (01:24:01):
Yeah. But there's some scary shit and that's fine.

Vanessa (01:24:08):
And it's funny because you think about it. It's really
not like it's just some kidswalking forward and not

Eric (01:24:15):
set up for that is so brilliant. So good. So good.
It's just like the changeling Iwas talking about the ball going
down. Yeah, that's not scary.
It's what led up to that scenethat makes it scary. Which is
the same thing in the knock.

Kelly (01:24:28):
You think it's not scary until you're in a house? That's
fucking scary. Yeah. I mean,just popcorn. 10 rolls down the
aisle.

Vanessa (01:24:44):
I was like, Are there ghosts?

Unknown (01:24:46):
worse?

Kelly (01:24:51):
Yeah. Did you go back to that theater know what it was
like that

Vanessa (01:24:54):
Sadly, many times.
There weren't. I mean, there areonly so many theaters and all I
mean, all of London. It's allgot this you just don't always
notice that. I do remember beingvery drunk, very drunk once and
walking down the street andseeing a rat the size of a small
dog down the street crossingcrossing a sidewalk and going,
Yup, that's a rat.

(01:25:23):
Just Why am I doing? That's nota dog? That's a rat.

Kelly (01:25:28):
It's funny. Humans. We adapt very quickly.

Vanessa (01:25:35):
We do. We do. Yeah. I mean, I never really I never was
really freaked out by it. Justlike when I lived in New York, I
didn't really care about thecockroaches. silverfish, I
wasn't cool. But

Kelly (01:25:46):
All right, guys, we're getting down to. Yeah, this is
where we separate the men fromthe boys, Vanessa. But wait a
minute. You're not allowed

Vanessa (01:25:58):
to tomboys count.

Kelly (01:26:02):
My runner up to the My most influential movie is from
1976. And it is the omen. Yeah,just gonna go on to numbers here
again. Sure. budgeted 2.8million box office of 61
million. Rotten Tomatoes havethis at 86%. This was directed

(01:26:23):
by Richard Donner, who prior tothis had just directed a bunch
of TV and a couple of TV movies.
And then was given this kind ofthrow away film that they were
hoping to, you know, bankrollon. Yeah. After this, of course,
he would go on to dreadSuperman, Ladyhawke The Goonies
Yeah, you forgot, he directedThe Goonies nice. Director

(01:26:45):
goodies. Scrooge and manyothers. Holy cow. There is so
much going on in this movie sogood. It's not just a horror
movie. It's a family drama. It'stakes place in the world of
politics. And it's all heldtogether by the gravitas of
Gregory Peck, Lee remmick andDavid Warner who are just Titans

(01:27:05):
in the film industry. It's anArmageddon story and you're
there to watch the beginning ofDamien is an absolute fucking
brat. But he's also a monsterand his nanny hanging herself at
his birthday party isn't enoughto get into him riding through

(01:27:26):
the house on his trike andknocking his mother over
Bannister. We've sealed thedeal. There's so much tension in
this film. It's punctuated bymoments of this noisy terror
like when the car is attacked bybaboons in the outdoor world.
That is so fucking scary. Andit's because the baboons realize

(01:27:49):
that there's something in thatcar that they hate and they're
you know, just attacking the carin and then it's got quiet
moments like when the newRottweiler protector Damien
comes up the landing is GregoryPeck Heads Up the stairs to
check on a son. The dog isgrowling just slightly and then
when it pants, you can just hearthe word Christo, presto, it's

(01:28:11):
panting fucking raises yourarms. That's part of what makes
this movie so amazing. The sounddesign is great. I think the
exorcist is a better film. Sure.
But for someone This one, forsome reason, this one is a

(01:28:33):
little more scary to me. Andit's much more entertaining and
that there's a lot morecinematography going on. There's
more going on. It's

Eric (01:28:42):
a bigger movie. The Exorcist is a small movie.

Kelly (01:28:45):
Yes. Yeah. And there's something about man, I just fell
in love with the idea of theAntichrist. Armageddon is just
you know, I didn't see thismovie until, I don't know, it's
probably 12 or 13. And, andthat's when I started talking to
my mom and going Is this real?
And she was like, Well, I mean,Bible you have to decide if it's

(01:29:06):
real or not. She was very goodabout that at a certain age. You
know, when I basically decided Iwasn't gonna go to church
anymore. I have a fun littlefact about this. Damien was
originally going to be calleddonlin until screenwriter David
seltzers wife suggested a namechange and I wonder if this was
influenced by the exorcistbecause father Kara says name

(01:29:30):
and that though is DamianKerris.

Eric (01:29:36):
That's crazy. dommy dommy dommy when Dom Lin did that
reference anything else or is itjust

Kelly (01:29:44):
did seltzer was a pretty good writer. I don't think he
just made shit up. Probablynames and came up with something
that means horrible little bratship.

Vanessa (01:29:54):
And it's so funny. I I watched this film during that
same time that I was doing TheBlair Witch More mockumentary
essay, and I watched it followit up by one of those
documentaries. Like on the sameDVD box I had about like all
stuff that went wrong whilethey're filming it. I remember
just feeling like, like i'dcommit just by watching it. Like

(01:30:16):
I committed some kind of act.
That was just, I don't know, Ireally was like, praying like,
I'm sorry, please. Demons don'tcome after me. Like I like you
just feel like oh, it's one ofthose phones like gets too so
deep in your soul. Well, it's

Kelly (01:30:35):
that thing that I was talking about. This is a human
movie and Gregory Peck came outof retirement to make this film.
And there's a there's a reasonthat the the remake didn't work.
You've got young, handsome liveShriver, as the diplomat, the
ambassador to England. You canlike pay seems a little young or

(01:30:57):
something. But when you seeGregory Peck at 61 doing this,
you're like, I totally believethat this guy has been in
politics all his life. He justis he just yeah, and his
reaction to everything he hearsis like, this is impossible. But
the evidence keeps mounting andmounting until you get that

(01:31:18):
great scene at the end, whereyou're just horrified that
here's this man, dragging ascreaming kid, a toddler
basically into a church and he'splanning on killing him and
you're like, holy shit, thisdark fucking movie.

Eric (01:31:31):
Yeah. That's a good one. I didn't watch that one too much,
much later, but really liked it.
And I kind of feel like I missedout on a whole lot of horror not
being raised Catholic.

Vanessa (01:31:42):
I have to say, there is a special place for Catholics
when it comes to the horrorgenre. There's a hole. I am
terrified of demon movies, and Idon't even I don't even know
why. But there's something sodeeply planted in me that when
demons show up, I'm like, why isthis so scary? So much more

(01:32:02):
scary than a guy with an axe,which is so much more likely?

Eric (01:32:06):
Well, this one is not scary. 100% more likely. Just in
case. So this is a very prettyhard one. That is 2007. So
fairly recent. And as soon as Isay the director, I'm giving it

(01:32:26):
away. This is your number one.
No, no, this is I didn't rankthem. Number one rank. I just
put them as this is a film thatsent me I see into liking horror
this way. Okay. I think bothboth ways are perfectly great
ways of looking at what youwould think that because you're
doing it wrong.

Kelly (01:32:46):
To say that,

Vanessa (01:32:47):
oh my goodness, I'm also doing it wrong lens. So

Eric (01:32:53):
this film opened me up to a whole new world of horror
films, which has become one ofmy favorite areas of horror
film. It was directed by Brunomatej. island of the Living
Dead.

Kelly (01:33:05):
So good. I

Unknown (01:33:06):
do not know this foam.
garbage.

Eric (01:33:10):
This film that Kelly and I watched it as we went down there
to get ourselves into thinkingwe could sell the film. But I
never like I never understoodthis so bad. It's good thing. I
never even really liked theMystery Science Theater shows
because I was I guess snobbishenough about film. It's like,

(01:33:32):
well, if it's crappy, I don'teven want to make fun of it. I
just don't want to waste my timewatching this crappy feature.
This all changed. Watching theliving dead afci where I laughed
my ass off. It was so much fun.
And there's what you me and acouple agents who left like,
what, 15 minutes in most

Kelly (01:33:53):
they were there to actually probably you know,
purchase the film. And they madea decision very early on.

Eric (01:34:01):
We had no interest in purchasing the film. So these
people paid a lot of money forus to sit there and enjoy
ourselves. It costs a lot ofmoney to screen.

Kelly (01:34:11):
Yeah,

Eric (01:34:12):
it was it opened up to a totally different way of looking
at films. And it's a very badfilms. You know, the bad film
from A to B bad film sometimescan still be entertaining, but
it's not the same as thisunbelievable passion that some
of these directors obviously hadin making whatever the hell they

(01:34:32):
were gonna make. And oh, it'sterrible food but it is so
entertaining. And it's so muchfun to watch. And now I've got
like five or six thrown on thetable.

Kelly (01:34:45):
He's like your favorite director now.

Eric (01:34:48):
I love watching this guy stuff. He's directed so much
stuff though. It's kind of youknow, there's there's stuff
that's not worth consideringwatching but the stuff that is
like Severin or vinegar Or I'veput out is worth watching. So
this I like this one because itopened a whole new field of
films for me to watch and enjoyin a way that I had not before.

(01:35:11):
And so that's, that's why it'son my list.

Vanessa (01:35:15):
I love that now I wish I'd done something like that
because there is also equallyfor me a part that at some
point, I was like, You knowwhat, like b movies and garbage
horror movies can be so good.

Eric (01:35:27):
Yeah, yeah. Then this is below.

Kelly (01:35:31):
Like, this falls into that newlywed thing in a
different way. And that I justrealize except for the
changeling I think I've seenevery one of your films with you
in a theater thing we saw a filmfestival Yeah, and all these
other ones I think I've seenwith you.

Vanessa (01:35:47):
This is why I'm always in your guys's relationship.

Kelly (01:35:51):
We're bringing in what you call old gay swingers.

Vanessa (01:35:58):
Noted noted. Yep, you're tired. Today I found out.
Well, well, Eric. I mean, I'm,I'm only gonna kind of briefly
and end on my final pick here.
It's so pivotal. But you'veactually already gone over this
foam. Okay, um, you guysprobably assume that the last

(01:36:18):
one I was talking about with youthe fog, which is amazing. And I
love it. And it did get me intoCarpenter movies, but I actually
don't really remember the firsttime I saw it. And I know it was
pivotal. But like, it just itthat wasn't the thing that
really opened my eyes and go,What is up with this Carpenter
dude. And that

Kelly (01:36:41):
was the thing that did

Unknown (01:36:43):
the theme.

Vanessa (01:36:46):
So it was Easter.
Easter apparently is a greatday. For me personally, in my
history of dime. Sure, I washanging out with my family. And
we finished dinner, we're justhanging out on the couch, doing
whatever talking. And I waslike, I'm gonna put on a lovely
Easter film in the background. Ijust want to put on something

(01:37:07):
that's gonna mess witheverything. And I had a copy of
the thing because I wascollecting all kinds of movies
to get around to when I wasdoing Film Studies. And I was
like, I'm just gonna like popthis in and just have in the
background, see if anyonenotices. I was not paying
attention. And I had not seen itbefore. I thought I had I had
not I remember looking up andlike my aunt being my elderly

(01:37:29):
and being like, is this a littlebowl of like, mix nuts kind of
looking over at me like, Honey,what is this? It's an Easter
movie. It's about reverse.
Looking and be like, Oh my god,there are like some crazy things

(01:37:51):
going on in the server, somecrazy creature bugs, and I later
did come back around andproperly watch it. Remember this
really piquing my interest inGryffindor? And just going? What
the fuck is going on here. Iknew I was like playing the line
with my family. I did notrealize

Eric (01:38:11):
jumped right over it.

Vanessa (01:38:13):
That shark was a bigger shark than I thought. I'll tell
you that I needed a bigger boatfor that film.

Kelly (01:38:20):
I this is where if we were on the Newlywed Game
together, we would have landed.
Okay. I love this movie. For thereasons I was saying everybody
in this film when presented withthis unbelievable idea has to
you know, react accordingly.
And, and there's that brilliancein the acting and the writing.

(01:38:43):
But the real brilliance and BillLancaster's script is he will,
he will set up the mostridiculous thing and then
punctuate it with a moment ofhumor so that you're allowed to
let off a little bit of thetension. So when the spider has
just suddenly everybody's justseeing you know, the doctor get

(01:39:08):
his arms cut off the head getschopped off all of that stuff.
And then the spider head and Idon't think it's Kurt Russell
character. No, one of them islike, what the fuck was that?

Eric (01:39:20):
We've talked about that before where he just goes
straight serious all the timeeventually kind of exhausted.
But that there's not a lot ofhumor in the film, but there's
enough good spattering of it. Soyeah, that's Yeah, you

Vanessa (01:39:34):
need that release. You absolutely need that release and
I think you do see it in in alsoin a lot of Carpenter films not
just in Lancaster but like in alot of his stuff. You do get
those moments I even justthinking of like things like
Christine where you're justlike, that's so stupid or funny
or whatever.

Eric (01:39:51):
There's a lot of humor in in the mouth of madness, but
with the weird lady with her,that's putting all that stuff

Kelly (01:39:57):
right one of my other memories Just thinking how
brilliant Lancaster was when hewrote this as at one point, I
think it's the doctor who issaying, you know, this is what I
think's happening. And hebasically lays out exactly
what's happening. And if youleft it there, you as an
audience member would be like,okay, really, that's how you're

(01:40:18):
going to tell us what's goingon. But he then has the next
character say something soridiculous As for what he thinks
is going on. You know, everybodyjust looks at him and you
remember that part of themlooking at him? Like what a
fucking dumb ask you like. Nowthis other idea doesn't sound
so. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,that's a good one. All right. I

(01:40:41):
don't even know why I'm doingthis with you guys. You could
tell that bigger boat you needto get Vanessa. I need a bigger
one. The the number one mostinfluential film in my life has
been jaws from 1975. My mom todo it when I was six years old.
Billing me for swimming. ordoing anything around water. A

(01:41:05):
couple of little numbers. Budget$7 million.

Eric (01:41:11):
Boy, I knew that already.
But still always blows me awaywhen you hear it? Yeah, box
office $471 million. And 75.

Kelly (01:41:21):
Tomatoes is 98% on this, which makes me wonder who are
the 2% who gave this a fail as amovie? Yeah.

Eric (01:41:30):
And what what possible reasoning? I that's fun to do. I
love going to like Amazon everyonce when I went on board or
rotten tomatoes or something andfinding the shitty reviews for
really, really good films.
Right? And I've yet to read oneof those they go. No, that's a
really good point.

Kelly (01:41:48):
Yeah, I just wonder who could watch this film and then
go, Oh, boy, that sucks. StevenSpielberg. Yeah. Drop. Everyone
knows this is the greatest filmof all time. It has nothing to
do with the shark. It haseverything to do with the

(01:42:08):
characters that are hunting andthen being hunted by the shark.
The film opens with a prettyterrifying night scene of a
skinny dipping woman beingattacked by a shark. And she's
brutally dragged across thescreen in a moment that you're
just like, holy shit. I don'twant this to go on any longer
than this. Turns out she wasbeing hurt in real life, but it

(01:42:28):
looked like she was being hurt.
It's, it's super scary. I don'tthink you get a stronger opening
in a film than this. And it'shard to watch 40 years later,
and it's a PG film.

Vanessa (01:42:40):
Is There Really?

Kelly (01:42:41):
Yes. Oh my god. The rest of the first day walks you
through the characters ofSheriff Brody, his family in the
town of Amity. And you get tosee the relationship between him
and his wife and the problemsthat he's facing as sheriff,
including at the beginning. Ifyou remember how he shows up at
the office and the Secretarysays, you know, she gets off the

(01:43:02):
phone and she says how the thelocal martial arts kids are.
They've been called in becausethey've been karate being the
picket fences. And it's such athrowaway line. Absolutely.
Let's you know what his life asSheriff is on. And when the
shark victim is discovered, andBrody calls in help in the form

(01:43:22):
of Hooper and Quint, we seeanother little twist. We get to
see when Murray Hamilton as themayor fights Brody unclosing,
the beach and all these are uglylittle scenes of politics and
institution and really skewerswhat's going on there. Even
between Quint and the town, andand Hooper when he shows up and

(01:43:45):
quant and all of this stuff.
It's a film about characters andmale bonding masculinity, toxic
and otherwise, fear and honor.
And finally, it is a horrormovie. But it is after all of
those things a horror movie. Butwhen it decides to go horror
goes all the way. The head ofthe dead man popping out from

(01:44:06):
behind the underwater boat. Andthe shark's head appearing
behind Brody as he swungChairman to the water are two of
the greatest jumpscares incinema. And they still work. My
sister for the 40th anniversarytook me to the theater to watch
it. And we sat there in a packedtheater. And when those scenes

(01:44:26):
happen, she jumped again. I waslike, wow, I mean, now I've seen
this movie roughly 1000 times.
So I knew what was going on andI just sat there you know
grinning from ear to ear beingable to see it on a gigantic
streaming it but she was fuckingterrified through the whole
movie. So I loved that.

Eric (01:44:47):
Please tell me I'm working through the full audience. He
didn't get any of those likesmart ass people.

Kelly (01:44:53):
Oh no, this was all such as Sam calm to finish the horse
stuff. The shark eating Quint,as it thrashes about on the
sinking Orca is just primemonster movie territory. That
thing is so scary looking,partly because it doesn't quite
look like a shark. Yeah.
Everything the camera directionthe sound the music, of course,

(01:45:18):
acting on the script, a pitchperfect, resulting in a movie
that was so damn good. Thataudience flocked to see it when
it was released in the summer,typically the time when the
studio's dropped their worstmovies. So this along with
George Lucas's American Graffitia couple years earlier, set the
standard for the Hollywoodsummer blockbuster, a feat
Spielberg and Lucas wouldcontinue to do year after year,

(01:45:41):
sometimes together, sometimesapart for the next 10 or so
years. This is the movie thatmade people really realize, Oh,
why are we holding back theythought, summertime, nobody
wants to go to the movies. Hmm.
So they put all their bigmovies, you know, think about
like the release of TheGodfather. And sure enough, it
was all you know, in therestaurant when you wouldn't

(01:46:03):
want to stay inside. So I justlove this movie. This is this is
a human movie. It's not amonster movie,

Eric (01:46:13):
the icon level of the film. I think it's full of
things that I guarantee you abunch of 20 somethings say and
do but they don't really evenknow they're referencing, right.
Like the music cues and the themayor showed up all over the
place when the COVID lockdownsand stuff started to happen. And
those scenes with him can'tclose the beach on Fourth of

(01:46:36):
July. I mean it's it's acultural tentpole way beyond
just most films can everpossibly imagine. And yeah,

Kelly (01:46:45):
the the politician who won't shut them down something
has become its own trope inhorror films now.

Unknown (01:46:52):
Yeah.

Kelly (01:46:52):
But you know, that started here with this. It's
just it's just a perfect movie,I think. Now have having seen
sorcerer, finally, just a coupleweeks back, watching Roy
Scheider, and that I was like,Oh, okay. She's always just been
amazing. Yeah. But, you know,prior to that of my, and I know

(01:47:18):
you love them and all that jazz,but my old Roy Scheider thing
has been French Connection andjazz. Sure. So I guess I just
didn't realize that he wasfucking amazing. And everything

Eric (01:47:28):
was all that jazz and blue thunder. The thunder is fun, for
sure. even know what that? Is itracing early 80s movie about,
they took two or threetechnologies that were available
and put them all in onehelicopter. So we actually has
this stealth helicopter, whichis fairly standard now, at the
time. wasn't actually somethingthat existed. And it's a cop

(01:47:51):
movie, basically, who justhappens to have a super
helicopter.

Kelly (01:47:56):
Tell me tell me how much you love. seaquest DSV that's
why you know,

Vanessa (01:48:04):
I do think I watch seaquest as a kid, but

Unknown (01:48:07):
yeah,

Vanessa (01:48:08):
uh, ya know, it's funny. I actually, don't I keep
trying to think of when the lasttime I saw jaws was. And I knew
I saw it in a double belt withjaws and jaws to with my mom
when I was like, 15 or 16. Idon't know. I've seen it since
then. My few good phonearena Oh,yeah.

Kelly (01:48:26):
I yeah, I visit it fairly often. As you can tell. I even
like jazz till I don't love it.
Yeah, but

Vanessa (01:48:36):
if you had a baby, right? That's why there are two
is like a mama. And that's kindof all that sticks out to me.
Yeah, pretty stupid.

Eric (01:48:50):
I had a couple honorable mentions. Please do throw out
real quick. I'll just kind ofrun through them real quick. But
Dracula films. There's actuallytwo of them. There's hammer. And
then there's also the Langella.
Franklin gela Films the crap outof me when I saw it as a kid,
and it's still tense a couplescenes that are surprisingly,
the underground bit with the

Kelly (01:49:13):
Yeah, it's just like Jesus. Yeah, I love that film.
That's Um, also, john Williamsdid the score for that and that
is my favorite, believe it ornot really very good. Star Wars
and Indiana Jones.

Eric (01:49:29):
And then Amityville Horror, oh my gosh, because I
really was fascinated by thatfilm, and the real life story
that went with it. And Iremember seeing them go on TV
and admit that they've made itup and that crushed my little,
you

Kelly (01:49:43):
know,

Eric (01:49:45):
Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Just love the concept
of the story of losing self andEvil Dead. Yeah, just because it
was a solo budget and I know itdoes not after That to an army
of darkness and all that it. Itnow plays I'm sure like if you
watched it at 25 now it's goingto be a flat comedy. Almost. But

(01:50:09):
at the time, it was a scaryfriggin movie. Yeah, it came out
as flat horror and worked great,but had no money.

Vanessa (01:50:20):
I do have one that was kind of I was kicking around as
potentially one of mine. So Ihave to mention it. Even though
everyone kind of groans

Eric (01:50:30):
when I do. Okay, get ready. Hold on. All right.

Vanessa (01:50:35):
Cloverfield.

Eric (01:50:40):
So I'm, I'm middle of the road on that one.

Vanessa (01:50:43):
No, I knew I love disaster films. And there was
always that seed in there forme. And I think it really was
the moment where I was soembracing the monster movie at
like the absolute height andjust accepting it and accepting
my own love of it. I went sawit, I think at a I want to say

(01:51:03):
it was a mostly empty theaterCinerama, with my best friends.
I think it was take like,

Eric (01:51:11):
little motion sickness pills.

Vanessa (01:51:15):
No, actually, I think it helped that it was on the
bigger screen. I think itstabilized it a bit. Because
Yeah, I didn't remember it beingnauseating at all. And I was
really surprised when peoplesaid that it was like, I mean, I
guess it moved around a bit. Butyou know, when you're like, one,
one 20th the size of the screenor whatever. It felt, I don't

(01:51:36):
know, it felt enormous andexciting. And I yeah, I came
out, I remember coming out andlooking out at Seattle and all
the buildings and just goingthere can be a giant thing
walking through here. And thescale of it just was so
fantastic for me. So for a longtime, it was one of my favorite
movies.

Eric (01:51:56):
I remember seeing that in the theater when Dean and I
went, it was packed. And beforethe movie started, an usher came
out this was that this wasn'tCinerama or some cool big
theater this was your standardLincoln square I think at the
time and guy came out okay,we've had a lot of complaints
about this film making peoplesick and not feel good. So I
have a couple recommendationsthe simple one is close your

(01:52:18):
eyes for a little while and it'spast or if you need to get up
and leave we will be able wewill providing refunds if the
movie makes you ill.

Vanessa (01:52:26):
Oh my god. Wow. What a what a glowing endorsement.

Kelly (01:52:32):
Jesus I I like this movie fine. I think it suffers from my
main problem with all foundfootage especially when we're
asked to believe that an editorthen got this footage and
whatever you know, what was hiswhat was his orders when he got
the footage?

Eric (01:52:51):
make this an interesting movie don't just show us the
monster so we can we want thisbroken into three x structure
Bob

Vanessa (01:52:58):
chronological order it's in chronological order.

Kelly (01:53:02):
And look I know that we just want to see footage of the
monster but if there's a lovestory in there you can add a
solid mitek to twist what did wefind?

Vanessa (01:53:13):
Why the knight never bothered me? Not once I was
never ever like how weird thatthey would like put this
together that you would neversee the monster in it or you
know any of these things I wasjust like yeah

Kelly (01:53:29):
I like the gimmick but I really like it when people pay
attention to the reality of whatthis would have to be yeah troll
Hunter. Oh,

Vanessa (01:53:38):
right, right. Yeah, I mean I just saw troll hunter way
after I saw this movie and itwas I don't know like found
footage hadn't become I don'tknow I felt like in 2008 it
wasn't as big of a gimmick asmaybe it was but I was willing
Yeah, I

Eric (01:53:52):
was gonna say you missed a lot of movies been between The
Blair Witch in 2008 becausethere was a craft on a garbage
paid

Vanessa (01:53:59):
it's very possible I mean, I moved back to I would
temporarily for part of a yearmove back to the US in 2008. So
there's very possible like abunch of stuff that I just never
saw in that year okay

Eric (01:54:11):
though that's there weren't a lot of masterpiece
inspired so making

Kelly (01:54:17):
no well. I narrowed my list down to the tight five okay
with one being a tie so I don'thave their extra so yes, six.

Vanessa (01:54:27):
I should mention one more which is just her normal
activity. Could not feel hisfavorite movie of the year. So I
on a screen maybe 12 inches by12 inches big. Tiny. scooted
right up and close to it on VHS.

Eric (01:54:42):
Oh geez. Yeah.

Vanessa (01:54:44):
And sat right next to it. Or maybe it was TV I don't
know. But it was a tiny us OLEDTV with rabbit ears. Like just
so we could watch it becausethere were so it was middle of
the day. Like up in the loftthat I was living in a Victorian
Victorian attic and Watching itno big deal birds outside bees
humming around sunshine bluesky. And I just totally was

(01:55:09):
like, yeah, there's no way it'sgonna scare me right now. And I
was just so sucked in and soscared I could not sleep for
some like four months. So it's ademon again and Vanessa and also
my bedroom in this Victorianattic was structured in such a
way that it had a kind of setupsimilar to the bedroom there. So

(01:55:34):
every time I was in bed, I justkept thinking I could not let my
foot lay out because there was aset of like little stairs right
next to the foot of the bed. Andall I can imagine something
grabbing my ankle and draggingme down. I could just could not
it was it's so stupid. Bill, butfor me it anyway, you're saying

(01:55:55):
you're so

Kelly (01:55:57):
what's the deal? I'm gonna do. Okay, that

Eric (01:56:02):
I have a great theater experience with that film.
Partially because the audiencewas scared enough that it helps
be scarier. Yeah, but the veryend The end moment with the big
scare. Some lady jumped up outof her seat yell I've had enough
and ran out of the theater asure she was

Kelly (01:56:20):
angry. No, no, she

Eric (01:56:22):
was scared. She was just down the aisle from me. So I'd
see. You know, the corner of myeye. I watched her the whole
movie being all tucked in. Andoh, my God.

Unknown (01:56:31):
That's so good.

Eric (01:56:32):
Kelly's opinion of the film is very, very different.

Vanessa (01:56:36):
I was ready to think it was stupid. And I disarmed me to
the point where it leg got tome. It crawled its way in.

Kelly (01:56:45):
I took a girl to that.
And at the end, I was like, Ican't believe I just spent 18
fucking dollars on watching thedoor move but but this does
explain something you mentionedearlier, which is you being
terrified to film yourself whileyou're asleep.

Vanessa (01:57:01):
That is a part of it.
And also I'd already been scaredof that because of like aliens.

Kelly (01:57:06):
Right? Then that fear feeds into your experience.

Vanessa (01:57:09):
Anything who God only knows what could be going on?
Could be anything could be mestanding up and walking around
back to that one. Sure. To thisphone, I was like I could just
be walking around. And mostlyGod knows.

Kelly (01:57:24):
Julian right into the mic because I am what you call a
professional you guys. Yeah.
Hey, before I forget to mentionEric, correct me if I'm wrong,
but this is Episode 100.

Eric (01:57:36):
We forgot to mention that at the beginning of the episode.
This is our big episode.

Vanessa (01:57:42):
This is why we're doing it this way. Maybe even.

Kelly (01:57:47):
So yeah, we made it 200 fucking episodes. That's pretty
cool.

Vanessa (01:57:51):
What you guys did?
Well,

Eric (01:57:55):
technically, it's not.
Because there's I clipped off alot of our and restarted
numbering at some point.
structure. Right. So we've donemore than willing,

Kelly (01:58:08):
because I also had many episodes down.

Eric (01:58:13):
But this is our 100th official. Be the third

Kelly (01:58:17):
episode 100. Off you guys, right. I'm sorry.

Vanessa (01:58:22):
I can't believe it. I mean, that's amazing. Thank you
guys for sticking with us.

Kelly (01:58:27):
And just to make things even more confusing, we're not
going back to our regularscheduled programming next week.
No, we are going to do acountdown of 2020 films. That's
right, the top 400

Eric (01:58:39):
where each candle is 400 Films should be about two days.

Vanessa (01:58:44):
which I know is confusing because it's so this
airs on yours.

Eric (01:58:48):
This one yes.

Vanessa (01:58:50):
Yeah. But that just means we're excited to rock in
2021 with you by just looking atthe past and just missing and
can do a job

Kelly (01:58:59):
of 2020 now cuz there's still four days left. And
anyway,

Vanessa (01:59:03):
you're right. You're right. God knows what's gonna
happen the next four days.

Kelly (01:59:07):
I have my screen. Oh, we've been jamming in as many
movies as we can. Right.

Eric (01:59:12):
That's Yes, that's what I've been doing. Yeah,
everything I talked about beforethe topic was 2020.

Kelly (01:59:18):
Right. So I think that the way we'll do this is, we'll
talk about a bunch of films thatcame out in 2020. And then in
the second half of the program,we'll go to our top five of 20.
And so there may be somecrossover. There may not be
We'll see. I

Vanessa (01:59:35):
can't wait to find out what you guys thought was your
Tom.

Kelly (01:59:38):
I know that I've got a couple on there that you guys
are not going to have on yourticket. I feel like we're
talking genre films though.
Right? And yeah, so

Eric (01:59:49):
I've actually been doing flat horror if you've got a sci
fi or something you want tothrow in I'm I

Vanessa (01:59:54):
think I'm sticking to genre. Yeah.

Kelly (01:59:57):
Well, all right, as usual, thanks. Everybody, for
all the kind words, we hope youhad a very Merry Christmas and
Happy New Year, everybody ifyou're listening on drop day.
This has been, this has been arough year for everybody. And
for you know, some of ourlisteners, we know for sure I'm
having a rough year. So hopeeverybody's hanging in there. We

(02:00:20):
sure appreciate you guys. And Ihope that you're getting
something out of this.

Eric (02:00:24):
Yeah, the frustration level sometimes I feel when I
look at our downloads is offsetby the fact of how much some of
you like listening to us, andhow much it means and we don't
give ourselves many breaks.
doing a show I don't know ifwe've ever had a week off and
this 100 episodes where wehaven't had a show not

Vanessa (02:00:46):
since I started. You guys have never had a time off
of there have been ones I'vedone from afar, but which is
fine. I'm not complaining. Ithink it's great.

Eric (02:00:55):
But okay, there's two things that make this worth
doing. Sitting here at the tablewith the three of us. All three
of us doing it is number one andthe other thing that may do and
it's a close one a is thatpeople that listen and give a
shit about what does dorks haveto say about so thank you very

(02:01:17):
much for occasionally giving mesomething you know what? I focus
on something and not have tothink about whatever is going
on. So

Kelly (02:01:25):
love it. Yeah, wow, this

Eric (02:01:27):
just got really creepy.
But anyway, you should see whatI'm doing to the microphone
right now.

Unknown (02:01:32):
Boy. You've gone

Kelly (02:01:36):
Okay, so we'll be back in one week we are kicking off 2021
with the best of 2020.

(02:01:56):
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