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The gang tackles 30 Coins, Relic, and Shadow in the Clouds before revealing their picks for films by directors who have not been discussed on the show before.

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Unknown (00:03):
Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Somewhere between science andsuperstition?
To show you

Kelly (00:28):
Strange Aeons. Strange Aeons radio. That's Eric over
there. That's Vanessa overthere.

Vanessa (00:35):
Hello.

Kelly (00:35):
Hey, you guys. I'm sure that you heard the sad news that
Tanya Roberts has died again.
No. Yes.

Eric (00:41):
twice in two days, right?

Vanessa (00:44):
We did for real. Did she die? Yeah. Oh, really? She
did actually die.

Kelly (00:48):
Oh, like the next day?
No. And I kept thinking tomyself, was this a pet cemetery
situation or what happened?
Because her boyfriend was theone who released it to the the
agent or whatever. Yeah. And hereleased it with when I was

(01:10):
holding her hand, she took herlast breath. I saw our eyes open
and all this stuff. And andthen, I mean, this guy was super
excited to talk about hisgrowth. I finally get into

Eric (01:22):
Instagram followers, and I get any new phone.

Kelly (01:26):
They're creepy. In other news, oh, I found out something
very interesting. I wanted toget your guys's opinion on it.
So Warner Brothers, is nowagreeing to set up new payment
structures for filmmakers, basedon HBO max streaming fees. Why?
Yeah, so a lot of these people,but you know, Warner Brothers

(01:49):
comes out and says, we'rereleasing our 2021 slate, on
HBO. And the people who haveworked on those films who had
you know, points or somethinglike that, watch that money.
Look, it's very unlikely you'regoing to get any money when
you've got points. But onsomething like Godzilla versus
King Kong, which is coming out?
Yeah, yeah, there was a goodchance for people to make a lot
of money on that. But not if itjust goes to streaming. Yeah. So

(02:11):
Warner Brothers and HBO, Max aremaking new deals with everybody
and saying, look, we'll figurethis out based on the streaming
and based on the money it makesin the actual theater. And we're
cutting down what those levelswould have been, so that they're
not based on the original dealhe made there based on half of

(02:32):
those numbers and things likethat. And I just thought that
was really interesting. And Iwanted to kind of get your take
on it.

Vanessa (02:40):
I wonder if it's like a response to like, the letter
from the Daniel balloon

Kelly (02:45):
in this news item they bring.

Vanessa (02:49):
Because like he he didn't write like us. It wasn't
scathing, but it was definitelylike, pretty, like you guys need
to understand what, how bad thisis for us. But I also thought
that HBO max may be basicallybankrupt. So I'm curious how on
earth they're going to be ableto deliver on that kind of

(03:11):
promise. I don't know. I don'tknow. This is kind of weird. As
a filmmaker. I mean, I, I neverexpect anything for points
anyway.

Unknown (03:19):
Well, yeah.

Vanessa (03:21):
Especially like, yeah, at this level, like No way. But
still.

Eric (03:28):
I mean, it seems like the right thing to do. You need to
adjust how you do everything. Asa film, especially in a studio,
where you're, you're a bigenough studio that all your a
product comes out in theaters,right, which means you're hiring
everybody based on in theatermoney, or based on whatever
theatrical deals, becauseusually they didn't do. They

(03:50):
eventually did. But for a longtime, they didn't give much
anything for VHS to race carsand stuff. That was a big, a big
thing. And some of the strikesin the late 90s, I think was
when that really started tochange. It's good that they're
not waiting for. Because workstoppage strikes would be weird
right now.

Vanessa (04:11):
Yeah, no, I don't know.
Like your I think there'ssomething to that what you're
saying, which is that we were inthe future. And we need to find
a system and we need to findsomething that works and
actually helps the people whoare going to be affected by it
so that artists continue to wantto work on projects for next to
nothing on the idea of points.

(04:31):
Yeah.

Kelly (04:32):
So

Vanessa (04:33):
yeah, no, I yeah, I fill that void and HBO going,
you know what, let's not be thebad guys.

Kelly (04:40):
Well, to your point, though, then I wonder if this is
just this is just bullshitbecause they know that you say
nothing to say this. Yeah. Andmake a big deal about it when in
the end, it will cost themnothing.

Vanessa (04:55):
I definitely think there's a huge part to that
because they they from myunderstanding that They are
really bad off currentlyfinancially. And that's part of
the reason why they did this wasto try and get more subscribers
because they're banking so hardon that and failing so
miserably. So, I think it isreally easy to say, Well,

(05:16):
whatever you're the newsubscriber ships going to be all
15 of Yeah.

Eric (05:23):
I'm gonna say, Man, if you are a streaming service and you
bankrupt yourself this year, orin 2020, you're definitely
figured something really wrong.
Unless you had some kind ofweird wheel

Vanessa (05:34):
before it was. It was before COVID. So I think it was
carrying their debt into thissituation. So that's my rough
understanding. And it didn'tat&t by HBO, which is why john
oliver makes fun of it all thetime. Yes. Yeah. So I don't
know. Maybe they're justswimming off of at&t money to

(05:54):
survive.

Eric (05:55):
It's pretty good money.
Some of it depends on his HBOmax going, are they YouTube
level money where people aremaking significantly good
careers? If you're huge. I mean,you got to have millions of
views, but you can make millionsof dollars? Or is it going to be
like Spotify, where it's like,oh, I had a million listens. And
here's your nickel. Yep. I thinkit's got to be that. So the

(06:16):
depends on it's always in thedetails. Yeah.

Kelly (06:21):
Yeah. I just thought it was interesting and worth
bringing up.

Vanessa (06:24):
Yeah, no. And in case anybody out there doesn't
realize when you put your filmon the streaming, you're
basically saying goodbye to anypotential profit. Like with
prospect for it took us foreverto go on streaming. And the
other film that I just finishedup even though we're in COVID
times they are doing their bestnot to go straight to streaming
because it's basically sayingokay, I give up no more money is

(06:46):
gonna come in. Like you getnothing like you get viewership,
you get people knowing who youare. And it's very exciting to
tell your friends and family

Eric (06:55):
my movies on No, you can go watch it in your own home.
But I yeah, and then send me $1

Unknown (07:01):
Please, because they won't

Kelly (07:04):
think you saying that then reminded me that part of
this news thing was thatlegendary tried to make a deal
with Netflix for Godzilla versuscotton for 225 bucks. And Warner
who is co partner on it. Theyswooped in and said no, no, no.
Now they Warner and legendaryare making this deal to for it

(07:27):
to go right to HBO Max, I guess.
So

Vanessa (07:29):
I guess HBO Max is probably going to become the
place where blockbuster filmsare coming out. So we'll go
there and I guess Disney to seethese prod products and then
we'll go to Netflix and whateverthe other ones are. Amazon
Amazon's Hulu. Yeah. To watchthe like, smaller, you know,

(07:50):
projects.

Eric (07:52):
Yeah. And who owns what I mean, Disney technically owns
Hulu, because they own ABC.

Kelly (07:57):
Right? So I mean, right?
Anyway, you guys I watched areally fun stupid movie just
recently. It's available as arental. And it is called shadow
in the cloud with Chloe GraceMoretz. And it is World War Two
horror about a crew on a b 17bomber and there is a gremlin on

(08:19):
board and Oh, they are trying tofight it out for that. This
thing is so stupid. ridiculoushow stupid it is. I mean, with
every plot twist. I was like, Ohno, I wish I was sitting in a
theater to throw popcorn. Iloved it. But it was just the
stupidest movie I've ever seen.

Vanessa (08:41):
So kind of like Snakes on a Plane like you know, you
know it's not gonna be good.

Eric (08:46):
They added the trailer looked like it might sit closer
to a really good be big budget Bmovie. Yeah, sounds like it
didn't even quite hit. No, I

Kelly (08:54):
mean, when I say it's stupid, please know that I'm
saying it. Oh, you affection. Ihad such a good time with it.
And I really wish I could haveseen it in the theater because
it is a spectacle. But storywise, it's stupid. One thing you
should know written by MaxLandis so Oh, okay. I feel like

(09:15):
yeah, you want to pirate thismovie?

Vanessa (09:17):
Yeah, I don't have money. To be honest. I have not
enjoyed a single Max Landisjoint. Oh, wait, no, I take that
back Chronicle.

Eric (09:28):
Was that the Seattle film?
I still never saw it justbecause I had enough of the the
the people that you're the firstperson whose opinion I respect
but said they liked it. Becausemost of people said they liked
it were people like all right,people. They hated it. Like
Kelly. Oh, here's I know, right?
I don't care. There's too manyother movies to watch. It's

Vanessa (09:48):
true. It's true. I think I liked it at the time
because it was before. There wasa lot of that good looking, low
budget CGI stuff. And I feltlike the characters were pretty
Fun and effective, but I liketeen films a lot.

Kelly (10:03):
That show had you been hit in the head with a hammer
just before you saw

Vanessa (10:07):
a no I can't say how sleepy or awake I was. No
hammers were involved. No, Imean I but I also love disaster
films and I also love spectacleand you know, superhero and all
that stuff being mixed togetherand they're flying around
freakin the Space Needle. And Iwas like,

Eric (10:24):
yeah, it's also a found footage style. Which if you
don't mind?

Kelly (10:30):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I would say that you probably both like
shadow in the cloud, but youwould also both be going this is
so

Vanessa (10:41):
maybe I'll put it lower down on the list. Well, I just
finished watching Castle Rockseason one.

Kelly (10:51):
Okay, yeah, to hear your thoughts on it.

Unknown (10:53):
Um,

Vanessa (10:54):
I am both. I have so many mixed opinions. Eric, have
you seen this?

Eric (10:59):
I feel free. I'm not. It's not one that's on my list of
going to watch it at any point.

Vanessa (11:06):
I mean, the entire thing is a mystery. So it's
really easy to spoil. But I willjust say I hated the decision
they made in the last 15minutes.

Kelly (11:17):
Oh, yes.

Vanessa (11:19):
How stupid. How stupid.

Eric (11:22):
Hold on everyone. And will I be entertained to know what
this is? Or is it way too tight?
Oh, sorry. Okay. No,

Vanessa (11:29):
it's a way to talk about, but I will. But the
journey is incredible. Likethere's a sissy SpaceX centered
episode where you're dealingwith somebody who's at at kind
of the beginning to middlestages of Alzheimer's and it's
from there. Number one, I

Eric (11:45):
didn't watch that now because I started to watch and I
wasn't not ready for a no likerelic and stuff I was fine with
but

Vanessa (11:51):
yeah,

Eric (11:52):
it's a couple years ago that came out right?

Vanessa (11:54):
Yeah, yeah. I it's beautiful. And it's just
breathtaking. Like that entireepisode such there are moments
of brilliance in the show. So itmakes the ending, like so
infuriating. Because you'relike, what did you do? Why? Why

(12:15):
would you do this? You guys areso fucking stupid. But, but I
will say if you ignore thatpart, and you write your own
ending as I did, because I waslike, oh, it could have ended
these five additional ways thatwould have been better. I'll
just pretend that happens. Yes,but it's it's like American
Horror Story. Oh, okay. Like soit's a different story. I got a

(12:38):
Castle Rock. Yeah. So the Yeah,it completes that particular
journey.

Kelly (12:42):
I just thought it was a real wasted opportunity. I don't
know what was in the details ofthe deal they made who they
could or couldn't use from kingsuniverse, you know, that kind of
stuff. But I thought there was areal opportunity to do something
cool. And I would have had thatepisode seven that you're
talking about was maybe the besthour of television ever shot.

(13:05):
Yeah. I hated just abouteverything that came after that.

Vanessa (13:10):
Yeah. Yeah. It was confusing. And they did too good
of a job bringing us in ourdirection. They I guess
regretted slash didn't want to?
I don't know. I'm veryfrustrated.

Kelly (13:23):
And then at the very end, when the thinny between worlds
is happening, I would haveprobably forgiven everything. If
I had gotten a glimpse of theDark Tower or something like, I
would have been like, oh, cuzthat's where I thought they were
going. Oh, they didn't. And Iwas like, Oh, they do

Vanessa (13:42):
make a reference to the Dark Tower at some earlier
point, too. So I think theywould have been able to, I think
they had a ton of opportunities.
I honestly, if they had endedthe entire show right there. I
would have been happier. Justdon't give me any ending. I
don't care. Just give up. Justwalk away, put it down, put down
the pen and turn your back andleave the room. I would have

(14:05):
been thrilled in comparison towhat they decided to do, which
is unbelievably frustrating, andjust anticlimactic as well.

Eric (14:17):
Alright, I'll just keep that off the queue as the I want
one that is opening uppromising. I hope it doesn't
quite go to that ending. ButGreg had mentioned this when you
had like 30 coins. 30 coins?
Yeah. Craig also had mentionedthat

Kelly (14:37):
and that looks I mean, just overwhelms me. But yeah,
I've watched

Eric (14:41):
episodes that are out.

Vanessa (14:42):
What's the basic idea that

Eric (14:46):
religions problems exorcise. Stiles? demons
priests. Wait, what

Vanessa (14:55):
year? Are we talking?
Is

Eric (14:57):
it Spanish? I don't know.
But It's, it's

Vanessa (15:01):
Oh, all right. I feel

Eric (15:04):
like he's talking about problems on Twitter or one of
the main characters is a mayor.
Okay, and the guy who plays thepriest is awesome. He's great.
Jesus, man, we kind of lookback, he was in a rough spot
there. I think it was in theepisode or God, do not kill this
character. God, no. But

Kelly (15:27):
there were enough hints, like just a couple of hints in
that first episode that I wasthinking, I don't think anybody
comes out of this alive. Oh,yeah, just as long as there's,
you know, there

Eric (15:35):
for a little while. Is it feels like a, it feels like a
movie or a show that if it keepsgoing where it is, can be a lot
of fun and really entertaining.
But man, they could take somereally dumb turns, and it could
really, really get bad.

Kelly (15:51):
It's got a, the main premise is the 30 coins, or the
30 pieces of silver that Judaswas paid to betray Christ. And
these these people are huntingdown each of these coins and of
course, it's it almost feelslike it's gonna be a little
monster the week and that eachof these coins has a story
that's surrounding it, and theperson who has it right now, and

(16:11):
bad things are happening. But italso doesn't feel like it's just
Christianity or dealing withfeels like we're dealing with
other crafting things.

Vanessa (16:23):
Yeah. Cree,

Unknown (16:24):
baby.

Kelly (16:25):
Yes,

Vanessa (16:26):
I'd add in more.

Eric (16:29):
It's it's HBO so sorry, to the people that like everything
dumped. It's just you know, oncea week comes out on Mondays I
think I saw so you know, onlytwo episodes behind at this
point.

Vanessa (16:41):
Okay, well,

Eric (16:42):
although since interest the first episode is a frigging
feature length, almost like 72minutes. Yeah.

Kelly (16:48):
Yeah. Yeah, good stuff.
Also on HBO. Max. I found a showcalled warrior that started out
on Cinemax.

Vanessa (16:59):
I think it is the girl

Kelly (17:01):
now with the girl. Well, there's girls in it.

Vanessa (17:04):
The Girl with the sword? Is that a different one?
Oh,

Kelly (17:06):
you're thinking a warrior? None. Yeah, there we
go. No, no, this is apparentlybased on Bruce Lee's original
pitch to Hollywood in like 1972or something. And then they
turned around and said nobodywants to see Asians on TV and
made kung fu and said with anywhite actor. But this was his
pitch. And it is one of theconsultants is his daughter. And

(17:31):
it is super stylistic. A lot ofproblems with the dialogue in
that it feels very current forsomething that's supposed to be
taking place in like 1918 orsomething like that, I think is
always nice period. Yeah, yes.
It's on HBO. Max. Okay. But itstarted out on Cinemax. two
seasons on HBO Max, and I thinkthere's probably a new season on

(17:54):
Cinemax

Vanessa (17:56):
is this one that's set in London?

Kelly (17:59):
No, it is set in, in America with the Chinese who
were, you know, slaves to workon the railroads. Okay. Oh,
cool. Okay,

Vanessa (18:11):
I've definitely just saw a trailer for this because I
was looking at potential showsto forget. But I'm getting to
the end. Well,

Kelly (18:19):
this. This one is fun. I recommended it to a few people.
And both of them got back to meand said, Okay, I'm 10 minutes
in and this is my new favoriteshow. I guess I'm settling in
for a marathon.

Eric (18:32):
check that one out.

Vanessa (18:33):
That's awesome. Very, very cool. Well, Eric, I did
actually take up yourrecommendation. And since eatery
talked about it, I watchedrelic. Oh,

Eric (18:45):
and

Vanessa (18:46):
I loved her. Yeah, it was it was very, it was not what
I expected. Even based off ofwhat you're saying about it. I
did not I don't know. I did notenvision it went where it went.
But it was really reallypowerful. And extremely good at
making complex ideas intovisualized like realities.

Eric (19:11):
Oh, yeah. Definitely. A good way of putting it

Vanessa (19:15):
like without saying anything about weapons, but
yeah, no, really, really camp? Idon't know. Yeah, I can't
recommend it highly enough.

Kelly (19:23):
Wow. Well, I gotta check that out now too, I guess.

Vanessa (19:27):
You know, I think so.
It just jumped up about 20degrees in here instantly, and
hated it. Because I was holdingthis little hottie in my hand.

Kelly (19:38):
Thank you. Get

Vanessa (19:42):
the fine gift from Kelly that just keeps on giving.
And I thought as soon as Iopened this, it's used it. I
would it The sun is gonna comeout and I was not wrong.

Kelly (19:55):
Did you crack it open, though? Is it good?

Vanessa (19:58):
Oh, it's more. I know.
Now well, it's fine. I my handswill be content and folders.
Yeah, just place it right onthere. You know,

Kelly (20:08):
there's more where those came from.

Vanessa (20:09):
That's what I heard. I heard they're kept in a bag
somewhere so they just go

Eric (20:16):
anyway.

Kelly (20:18):
Theater of the mind.

Eric (20:21):
Theater started off like a little extra sticky floor
theater.

Unknown (20:29):
Yeah, so

Vanessa (20:31):
there's just no way to like make this not sound bad.
Just the name of this productand warmer, hand warmer.
Robbie's hand warmer little handwarmers. The website is little
hotties warmers, calm.

Kelly (20:45):
This show brought to you by little hotties woman calm

Vanessa (20:49):
and no odor it says on the packaging. So there you go.

Eric (20:53):
Alright. Moving right along. Got another holdover from
a 2020. marathon. Yeah. Onethat, you know, it's not really
in consideration. But somepeople might like, open 24
hours. Have you seen this? Thisone pretty sure it's on shutter.
If it's not shutter, then it'sAmazon. Because I remember it's

(21:13):
one of those ones that Oh, ifyou enjoy bread, it's like a
2020 movie. Let's check it out.
Boy, it's almost a pretty goodmovie. It's the story of a, a
woman whose serial killerhusband has been captured and is
in jail. And his one of his bignote notorious things is he made
her watch several of themurders. And so she also went to

(21:36):
jail for a little while and gotout and is now hallucinating
that she's seeing him stillseeing him kill people. Or is
she? So she takes a job. Okay,here you're talking to your
typical movie. So you'reattractive young woman. I need a
job. Where are you going to workthis fucking terrifying open 24

(21:58):
hours roadside, run downconvenient stars. I know. I'm
not working there. And she'sworking the graveyard shift to
boot time

Kelly (22:12):
to take any job you get these days.

Eric (22:15):
And don't mess on the floor.

Vanessa (22:17):
Or your target is hiring.

Eric (22:19):
I actually would graveyard shift in the middle of nowhere
kind of store. As long as youknow you had something behind
me. This shelf? Probably wouldbe pretty good. Because you know
what? You're gonna be justchillin. Yeah, most of the time.
Yeah. But so she gets about fiveminutes of training. And then
the guy leaves and the storyprogresses. From there. It's got

(22:41):
pretty well done violence. Andthe stories good enough, which
makes it a little frustratingsort of like the starry eyes and
starry eyes from what the womanin the cop shop.

Kelly (22:54):
know, last shift or something like that shift.

Eric (22:57):
That's right. Yeah, I think I skipped that one
confused because those postersare really similar like I, which
was pretty good. bordering onwhat could have been really
good. And this is a similar filmto this. So it's good. It's well
worth watching. Somebody came upand said they loved it. I went
okay, cool. And if somebody cameup with hate it, I can see that.
But it because the acting isgood, the effects are good.

(23:20):
There's just some really, reallystupid decisions that are made.
And it suffers a little bit fromthe head and wants and walkaway
moments which just I just thinkneed to be removed from horror
films now. You got to figure outa workaround to that where as
opposed to Oh, he didn't want tothe shovel and I'm going to go
scream and cry and walk away asI

Vanessa (23:42):
put down the shovel.
Yes, exactly. Gently on top ofthe body and route the dead
person's, quote unquote handaround the handle. Just so you
know. It's in safekeeping.
That's right.

Kelly (23:54):
Like in this situation.
If this happened to Vanessa, thecops would show up and they'd be
like, okay, so you hit him withthe shovel and he was down and
then you looks like you severedhis head with the shovel. Yeah,

Vanessa (24:04):
I would absolutely do that. Yeah, cuz like doing it.
The number of times you watchsomebody literally like, and
unfortunately john Carpenterstarted this crap.

Unknown (24:18):
He was like, Oh, yeah, sure enough, he

Eric (24:20):
started it. He damn near perfect,

Vanessa (24:22):
perfected it and and he has a great quote unquote
excusive she just didn't evenlike what she was doing and just
was so appalled that she threwit out of her own hands and she
just couldn't handle theviolence. Yeah, great. Well, now
everybody thinks that's justnormal. And when once you have
taken the serial killer ormonster or whatever down quote,

(24:44):
unquote, just go ahead and turnyour back immediately toss
Whatever happened to be in yourhand at the time and just does
not one little stroll away.
Fine.

Eric (24:53):
I think it was one of the few really good parts of screen
to where they set that up andfingers. Courtney Cox was just
standing there with a gunwaiting for the person to come
back to life, which immediatelyshoots them.

Vanessa (25:05):
Yes. There you go.
Yeah, exactly. Just play withthe opposite end. Yes. The
opposite end is great.

Kelly (25:13):
Speaking of carpenter, I think I told you guys, I don't
know if it was off air or on butI was reading a book called
taking shape, which was Oh,yeah, yeah, Halloween franchise,
an oral history. I picked uptaking shape too, which is all
of the unproduced Halloweensequels. So holy crap. It's, I
mean, it's as big as the firstbook. And they didn't go through

(25:35):
every single one of them. Theyjust, they just went through the
ones that actually had a littleheat behind them, or had
somebody important attached toit before it went away. And it's
pretty fascinating stuff.

Vanessa (25:45):
Oh, man, I've got to pick that so I picked up the
first taking shape probably thesame time you did. Because not
that not crazy long ago, and itshowed up. And I thought it was
gonna be like a little book.
Book, so I just promptly put iton my shelf and went, I will get
to you later.

Kelly (26:03):
Well, it's not the making of Halloween. It's the making of
the entire franchise. And itgoes all the way to the 2018
films.

Eric (26:09):
I haven't picked it up yet. But it's sort of like that
one. Phantasm book.

Kelly (26:12):
It's written by the same guy.

Eric (26:13):
Okay. Oh, that's pretty damn good. Yeah.

Kelly (26:15):
Dustin McNeely, I believe is that sounds right? Yeah.
Anyway, why don't we take alittle break? We are coming back
and we are talking about I guessit it would be directors we
haven't talked about previously.

Eric (26:26):
Pretty much. Yeah, it was sort of like we were in a
situation where we had to recorddifferently than we normally do.
So our time is a little tight.
He got wide open.

Kelly (26:36):
Which long as you haven't talked about that director
before, which was actually alittle frustrating because you
don't realize how many people wehave talked to.

Vanessa (26:45):
He was a really tough challenge. I was like, Okay, how
obscure Can I get at this point?
And or otherwise? I don't thinkI've talked about Hitchcock
maybe, I don't

Kelly (26:54):
know. No, no. I basically found myself to directors only
made one film. Yeah,

Vanessa (27:01):
it was I was I ended up kind of somewhere in there.

Kelly (27:03):
Alright, let's take a break and we will be right back.

Unknown (27:14):
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experience. Watch out for hiddenhead butters at the Lost World
site the fuel Depotor they will hit your matchbox
Humvee breakout to escape. Nowto the matchbox like the garage
go up the tower. Beware ofRaptors who attacked from

(27:35):
the ground. But your matchboxvorbei porch wraps won a lost
world Jurassic Park plays at twotimes, I guess vehicles sold
separately from matchbox

Kelly (27:51):
returned Eric, this was your choice. Why don't you start
us off?

Eric (27:56):
Okay. really twisted his arm. Yeah, so this was sort of
my opportunity to watch some ofthose seven films that I've seen
stuff like, which one do I wantto watch? sufferings kind of
been up in their game. They're alittle less vinegar syndrome now

(28:17):
and a little more shopfactory Iguess you'd say. But they're
still very much like 70s andItalian films and stuff. But
this was one from 1973. The nameis familiar, but it's not that
film called shock treatment.

(29:45):
Not The Rocky Horror PictureShow with Richard O'Brien or
Batman or Bryan. Bryan did hisreally rough sequel The Rocky
Horror Picture Show. But ofcourse, if you probably thought
that you probably know wasn't in1973 anyway, so there's no rhyme
Tomato ratings on this. There'svirtually nothing about budget,
other than a little bit aboutits release in France. This was

(30:08):
directed by a guy who I've neverseen anything from and probably
don't. He did a lot of Frenchstuff, but, you know, at he own
Joshua seems right. But he didFrankenstein, 90 colors of the
devil and the dogs. Well, thoseare the only ones that kind of

(30:29):
recognized. And he did the musicwith Rene coring on this one. He
was also the writer based workedwith Roger Kewell, who did an
adaptation. But they didn't saywhat adaptation was I remember
reading that no Can I should golook up what this book was and
then promptly forgot to do that.
So and Enrico Venezia, who has107 writing credits, I recognize

(30:53):
nothing because they're all inItalian or French. All right. It
stars ironically named Allie onthe law. So it's alliums all
over this studio. Day. And he'sin day and night. 101 nights.
He's actually, as I wasresearching this, I found out

(31:14):
this is at the time it came outa very famous group of French
actors. They're very popular, soand any guirado who's in cache,
which fairly recent film, Ithink, I think it was a might
have been a Lovecraft FilmFestival film.

Kelly (31:33):
Oh, that sounds familiar now. Yeah.

Eric (31:36):
The piano teacher and the 1995 version of Les Moonves.
Yeah, because Les Miz is to theFrench like Doctor Who is to the
UK. Every year, there's a newone. Somebody's got to be in
them. And Robert Hirsch, that'sa French Italian production with
French and Portuguese spokenlanguages. The basic idea is
there's a, if you're aware ofthe 70s in any way, culturally,

(31:59):
the 70s were full of extremeversions of yoga type people and
people looking at essential oilsand stuff. And they would do
this was a very expensive clinicwhere people went for cleansings
of the body.

Kelly (32:19):
Sure to get your biorhythm. And

Eric (32:21):
exactly, yeah, all that was that was huge in the 70s. I
mean, like, people would lockthemselves in hotel ballrooms
for, like, days and not dobathroom breaks. It was some
weird, weird shit went on. I'msure. That's nothing weird goes
on now, but you know what Imean? It appears in a lot of
movies. And this looks like a70s sci fi movie, except of

(32:44):
wearing instead of wearing likejumpsuits, they're wearing
robes. But everybody's got auniform and everything's crummy
and white. And everything'sbright and shiny. opens with a
kind of a neat little weird folksong that I'm like, this sucks,
but I kind of love it runsthrough the very long opening
credits. And she gets to theclinic and it seems nice

(33:09):
everything. They go to the firstdinner and she's eating with her
friend and he cuts into it.
She's like, what the hell isthis? Oh, these are seaweed
steaks. It's part of thetreatment.

Kelly (33:19):
Oh,

Eric (33:25):
slimy, slimy. So

Kelly (33:26):
mine. Well done, please.

Eric (33:29):
get crispy. And occasionally, it's kind of fun
when you're watching a foreignfilm and you get some
accidentally accidental childhumor, where they showed her
things she was going to be doingfor the day like massage and
bath cleaning and the granddouche was just a big shower.

(33:49):
But French had some verydifferent

Kelly (33:54):
ironically, Eric's nickname in high school was I
saw

Unknown (33:59):
Oh my god.

Eric (34:00):
So on the wrong side of what my nicknames were, but are
my make fun of names. Anyways.
The shower was a littledisconcerting, though because it
looked like American prisonmovies. When they hose people
down. sort of look like I'mlike, Wow, that is not grand.
Pass starts off fairly slowly asthe 70s French film is

(34:21):
definitely going to do detoxcenter of annoying wealthy
people being annoying, wealthypeople. She's having some fun in
it though, because she's gother. Her gay friend is hanging
out with her most of the timeand they do a great job of
making fun of the people aroundthem and stuff. So it's fun to
watch. She has her firsttreatment, and they don't really

(34:45):
show you what the treatment isit just she goes into a room.
they inject her with somethingyou're going to go to sleep and
then she wakes up the next day.
And as researching this film, Ifound out why this film is
actually Way more notorious thanit probably would be because
it's a decent movie, but it'snot great. But because I

(35:07):
mentioned earlier, most of theseFrench people were incredibly
popular Actress at the time andcredibly well known. Like one of
the more beautiful men in theworld kind of things or
something is one of the guys init, who plays the lead doctor.
And so after the treatment,everybody's feeling so great and
young and frisky. They go andhave a sauna. They're all naked

(35:28):
in the sauna. I mean, all allmen all the Wim, everybody
shaking around. And then forsome reason they have a seaweed
fight seaweed and start throwingit at each other. And so then
they get a little messy. That'slike, hey, let's go right into
the ocean. So these eight to 10.
Almost down the middle, evendivided men and women go

(35:51):
frolicking into the ocean. Andthe doctor who's the famous good
looking guy shows up on thebeach. And All right, I'll join
you takes off all his clothesand swings his way into the
water. This scene is incrediblylong. It feels like it's 10
minutes long. Maybe this isokay, this is weird. didn't

(36:14):
think much of a time but thenlater eating that. That's why
the movie was so popular for awhile is pick your average
Marvel movie, take a whole bunchof those people and put them
naked frolicking in the ocean.
And that's sort of what this waslike, Hello, Chris

Kelly (36:30):
Hemsworth

Eric (36:33):
for is my God. And then it cuts to cuts away to this scene
of I'm not a particularly bigfan of lobster. But okay, fine.
It's popular. But it's the shotof people. Have you ever cracked
open a lobster crab? And there'skind of that off color green
stuff. It was a super close upof somebody cracking up a

(36:57):
lobster and that sort of alllooked like I'm on? Oh, that's
that's supposed to be good. Whatis this? Is this like cutting
into the overly bloody steak? Oris this Oh, we're still great
rich people having a good meal.
I think it's supposed to be thelatter by the way. They're so
seen goes but man that was likelittle the movies a lot about
battling against aging, theconcept of getting older and

(37:20):
losing youth, you know. And shegets a warning from the her
friend about how you need to becareful with this. It's
incredibly addictive, and it canget very dangerous. And he ends
up mysteriously dead the nextmorning after warning her about
the treatments like oh, okay, sohe's right. And there's a group

(37:43):
of workers that work in there iswhere the Portuguese language
comes from is all the workersare purposely brought in to
speak a different language, theycan't communicate very well. And
when it looks like she's goingto leave, one of those guys
comes up to her and goes Take mewith you. I'm not supposed to be

(38:04):
here. They, if they see me thatthey're going to punish me
greatly just for talking to you.
But if you're leaving, pleasetake me with you. And she
doesn't because she doesn'treally leave. There's, there's
one giant glaring hole in thisproblem of this film. She tries
to leave and they say you can'tleave, basically, because you

(38:25):
have to pay your bill. But shehas full access to her car. And
they leave two or three times inthe movie to go into the town
nearby town and have dinner anddrinks and stuff. My

Kelly (38:37):
wife was just going

Eric (38:40):
through pain. If you think they're gonna kill you, I think
you could take it off and sendthem a check. But after that,
she finds out Oh, look, it lookslike part of the problem with
this film being this 1970 filmand it kind of being mysterious
as to what the things are givingyou might be when the twists

(39:02):
come, they're not very twistybecause like the first, the
first twist is it's the blood ofsheep embryos that they're using
to inject into you as I go tosleep experiment experiments on
animals. Okay, that sounds aboutright, for late 70s, early 70s.
But no to everybody out therewho's working, titled if

(39:22):
somebody is digging through abunch of files, and they're
obviously reading something onthat file, and it's on screen,
and I'm guessing that means it'simportant to subtitle that.
Shots of like two or three fileson screen for a good 3040
seconds. So you know, you'resupposed to see something there.
Okay, I'm seeing some words thatI recognize, but I'm not getting

(39:45):
anything out of this beyond youknow, doctor. The sound design
is very bizarre at times becausewhen she starts to get into
trouble there's a musical use ofa kind of like a woman's Or
maybe a younger woman's screen.
At first is like, why issomebody screaming around her?
Then I realized hold on this iskind of flowing with the music.

(40:07):
And she's now in a tunnel,underground and cement alone. So
I'm guessing the screams arepart of the soundtrack.

Kelly (40:18):
Like a bad choice in a horror film.

Eric (40:20):
Yeah, if you're gonna do it, make sure it's got an
abstract. She gets chased bydogs at one point, but it's two
Great Danes, right? And theylook like they're frolicking. I
mean, these are great fishes andI know they're big. The overall
ending actually ends up beingfairly good when she finally

(40:41):
confronts the doctor and there'sa confrontation between her and
the doctor. What saves the filmas these are popular actors, so
they're good. The acting in thisfilm is universally very good
and subtle wood, which is greatbecause a movie like this can
very easily turn intomelodramatic, which it does at
times, but the acting never getsmelodramatic. So you don't feel

(41:03):
like you're being manipulated,like you do with overacting
groups. So it was and that'swhat made the film work. It's
It's commonly directed since Iguess we're supposed to be
talking about directors. I don'tknow. It's my subject. But it's
rare. It is very well directed.
It's moves at a for a slow 70ssci fi film, it actually moves

(41:25):
at a pretty good pace. Thingsget done well. mysteries aren't
brought up and forgotten. Andthe right people are assholes
and the right people are nice.
It just it works. It's a goodfilm. But sorry, is good. I was
at the time in a grumpy crappyplace. Watch this. If I can even

(41:49):
talk about this stupid moviethen I thought about it while he
was gone. All right. Okay, holdon. This was better than I gave
it credit for some trivia notes.
In the UK, it was released asDoctor in the nude. They didn't
even play around. Just like hegets what you're getting in
this. That's why you want towatch this one. The lead actress

(42:11):
says in her biography that thelead guy actually slapped her
very hard. Because apparentlyshe had left her husband who is
the lead actress best friend.

Unknown (42:29):
Oh,

Vanessa (42:31):
bang, like in the scene?

Eric (42:33):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So watch this and go Damn, no, it was a
brutal, because it was a realcouple little interesting
reviews here. Timeout wroteJoshua, Joshua, how he says
handles his mixture of suspenseand satire with assurance,
drawing fine performances fromGodot confused, and finally

(42:55):
uncertain of her sanity, whichactually she does very well. I
like that in movies, when you'vegot an actor's performing. who's
losing their mind? And as you'rewatching it, you're kind of
going well, Am I understandingthis at all? And she's very good
at that. A neat cautionary tableon human vanity comm fable about
hypocrisy. And it, it's good.
It's not an earth shattering.

(43:19):
You know, in 1973, we're doingour urine review, it wouldn't be
in my top five, but it would bein my honorable mentions. I
think so. 1973 shock treatment.

Vanessa (43:28):
All right. Very cool.
Well, my particular pick isavailable on Netflix, and has
been for quite some time, so

Eric (43:36):
hard to get.

Vanessa (43:38):
No one has no foot. Um, so since we're going with
directors that we hadn't reallytalked about before, I had like
a list of people I was trying tolike, go through and figure out
who was interesting to talkabout and because I thought most
will actually talk about thedirector. But I'm crazy. So

(44:00):
yeah. So I came across this onedirector and I saw the film that
she had done and I was like,man, I I would love to explore
her a little bit more. So Ipicked Karen Kazuma, who
directed the 2015 film Theinvitation as a singer,

Unknown (44:25):
so ever, they're overcompensating kind of hard to
call everybody up out of theblue.
We've got so much to celebratetonight. She's on a journey, and
we feel that it's important tobe on that journey with the

(44:47):
people you love.
Everybody, this is my friendPruitt. Those suspicious

(45:07):
hospitality

Vanessa (45:24):
you've been handling things he can be self
destructive. I think he's doingthe best he can

Unknown (45:36):
we don't see you for two years and then all of a
sudden we get invited to thislavish dinner. Don't tell me
that this is normal.

Eric (45:47):
What do you think is happening? Well

Unknown (45:52):
disappoint us tonight is the night our faith is made
real

Eric (46:28):
excellent film.

Vanessa (46:29):
It's I already knew I love this film. So and I'm
probably have mentioned it inpassing, but I've never really
done like a deep dive on it. Soit was it was fun to check out.
So Rotten Tomatoes. kind ofsurprising. Actually. It was 89%
critics, which is not surprisingand 69% audience which was

(46:50):
really it was a little roughguys.

Eric (46:52):
I guess it's an oddly paced film. It is a slow.

Vanessa (46:55):
Yeah, it is a bit of a slow burn is low budget. The
budget was 1 million. The boxoffice was 354 point. Sorry,
354,835. worldwide. But it was afestival film that pretty much
immediately went on to streamingso again, not surprised. I'm

(47:18):
starring one of my favoriteactors. Not Tom Hardy, aka
Logan, Marshall green. This Ithink was the film that I saw
him and that was like, why isTom Hardy in this movie?
forevermore, Logan, Marshall,Marshall green, who I actually
enjoy at this point more thanTom Hardy. makes me so happy.

(47:40):
And I had talked about himpreviously. In devil. He's also
an awesome film called upgrade.
He's in Prometheus for a hotsec. And he did a ton of TV. I
didn't realize he was in likethe OC 24 bunch of film. I saw a
bunch of TV I'd never heard ofincluding traveller, dark blue
Corey damnation and shadow play.

(48:02):
But he then bounced around for awhile. The other stars that are
in this that are recognizablebecause they're it's kind of an
ensemble cast. Tammy Blanchardis Eden his ex wife. You might
recognize her from maybe likeMoneyball or in the woods. She's
been in 53 things. But what youshould know her for is her lead

(48:26):
and Gypsy where she won a Tony.
Whoo. So that was kind of themain thing I was like, man she
I'm surprised she is I'm moreacting credits. Oh, it's because
she's like a Broadway singerperson. Um, then you get john
Carroll Lynch. Who is thatcreepy guy who's in everything.
He plays a creepy guy and thisone? unsurprising he's been in

(48:51):
123 things. I'm including inZodiac he plays Arthur Leigh
Allen Fargo, he plays no wormand Big Sky which I just saw my
mom watching so I I've picked uprandom parts of it. He's the
evil cop. Also American horrorstories Mr. jingles so and I do

(49:12):
have to do one special extramention which is I watched him
in channel zero as the kind ofcreepy dad character and he's
freaking awesome. And so anyway,creepy character in that right?
He did. He did. I know. It'skind of really against hope for
him. But he did a very good jobof having this line of work

(49:35):
line, the line between being asweet father and a horrifying
killing, non thinking killingobject.
And then the last recognizableperson in this is probably Toby
Huss, who plays kind of thisreally weird part of just being
a doctor on a tape that theywatch a few times. But he's been

(49:59):
100 149 things, including he'stexts in glow, that was kind of
the thing that I recognized himfrom. He started off in
Adventures of Pete and Pete, asalready, which is weird. He's
just been in everything sincethen I guess. And he's a several
voices and venture brothers. Sothat was kind of cool. And then

(50:20):
there's a bunch of people whoare unknown. Except for you
might might recognize this guynamed Jody, this villa Sue. So
who plays a guy named Miguel,he's been in like, every soap
opera ever. He was in 277episodes of Young and the
Restless 75 episodes of Days ofOur Lives, and 139 of all my

(50:43):
children. So Way to go, dude. Sostory and his will, the main
character who's played by Logan,Marshall green is invited by
invitation to get it to a dinnerparty, with a bunch of close

(51:04):
friends who's being it's beinghosted by his ex wife, who no
one has seen in two years. Whenhe arrives, he's flooded with
the emotions and kind of badmemories of the house he used to
live in, because that is wherehis young son died. So
definitely very awkward momentwhere he's basically entering

(51:25):
this home where it's like hisbest friends, like their best
friends as a couple are alsothrilled to see him and get back
together. And then his weird assex wife shows up definitely has
not been in a cold or somethingfor several years. So the party
basically goes from stranger tostranger, when his ex who's also

(51:47):
hosting the party with her newboyfriend, and they live in the
couple's old house. So wills,very much a third fifth 20th
wheel and this and then severalmembers of their cult show up.
The cult is also called theinvitation

Unknown (52:05):
ception No,

Vanessa (52:07):
right how many layers of invitation happen? Um, so
basically, as the as the filmprogresses, you're kind of going
in and out of these sort ofmemories that will has of his
son and the the breakup of himand his wife. Things just get
weirder and weirder. And becauseyou're seeing it through his
perspective, you're kind ofbalancing this line of is he

(52:31):
just not in the right headspaceand he's reading everything
wrong? Or is it really fuckingweird. And most of the time, it
feels just really fucking weirdone, one of the cult members
who's hanging out in the houseis this girl who's down the
hall, he sees her kind of in theshadows, and she's just standing
there with no underwear. Hillhanging out, like Yo, what's up.

(52:53):
And then next time he sees her,she's wearing like a very nice,
flimsy little dress. And it'slike, okay, that's interesting.
He sees his wife, his ex wifethrough a glass door, taking a
bunch of pills, and he doesn'tknow what's going on with that.
And then someone who is meantmeant to arrive early and left a

(53:15):
voicemail for him, it just isn'tthere. And so he starts to get
suspicious about like, Where onearth this guy is. And then on
top of it all, the ex wife's newboyfriend is sharing with them
all these weird cold things likeshowing them like a kind of
introducing the cold video wheresomeone literally dies on it.
And it's very odd. And then itdoesn't do all these weird games

(53:40):
where it's like, we're not goingto play Never have I ever we're
going to play the thing I wishfor. And it it just everything
about it gets cringy and strangeand just off putting, but in the
meantime, you know, the friendsare all they're trying to be
supportive of both people andthe relationship and they're
just so happy to see each other.
So they're kind of like, dude,you got to stop reading into

(54:02):
this look. Yeah, okay, she's insome weird thing, but this is
her way of getting through theloss of your son. So the big
question is, is will crazy orsomething truly fucked up going
on? No one believes him. Butthey do acknowledge how hard it
is for him to be there. And Iwon't. I won't answer that
question. Because it reallyhappens pretty close to the end

(54:24):
of the film, when you find outwhether or not things are bad.
But I will say as far as thingsthat are great about this film,
that the choices at the end arephenomenal. I do like that the
film isn't too long consideringit's definitely like a bottle
kind of film. You're really inthis one space the whole time.

(54:44):
Great acting. Oh my god theacting in this like this is a
film I feel like we've all seenbefore. Where there's a dinner
party of friends and thingsweird things happen. It because
of the actors And this, it feelsso naturalistic. And so kind of
real that ever a lot of thosetropes are forgiven. And the

(55:07):
characters are interesting.
You've got like a gay couple,you have cross fingers, the
right word, cross, the crossracial, a couple you have like,
I mean, they're just like, yeah,these are just people. This is
just normal, interesting, coolpeople that he would, of course,
have been friends with. And itjust feels very, very good. The

(55:29):
relationship between will andthe X is extremely well done.
Their connection, even thoughthey're both kind of on
different sides of align nowfeels really palatable. And the
strangeness that has happenedfeels real. They don't have like
that many sit down convos of,Hey, isn't it strange that our

(55:49):
son is dead, and we're heretogether at this party, but
there's enough like looks andglances and moments and like
when she greets him at the door,she gives him like a really
intimate hug. And he's, he'sthere with his new girlfriend.
And it feels awkward to us. Butalso like, Oh, these people have
a past. And you can see it justin the way that they touch each

(56:11):
other. The tension is built upextremely well, the strange
things that are happening feelvery strange. And they just do a
lot with very little. The thingsthat aren't great about it. I
guess it can be a littlefrustrating that no one is
listening to him or believeshim. The wife is also super for
for a fra you know what I mean?
She's like, Really? It's likethe cold tea like, oh, we're

(56:36):
feeling the earth and like,we're all gonna eat this organic
food. And yeah, that kind ofstuff. That is a little
irritating. The coal crap iskind of irritating. It is a slow
burn. So you do need patience,and no offense, Kelly, but I
think when people are the worstla wine people are the worst of

(57:03):
the worst, which is what we'rewatching. Um, you know, like,
my, my interaction with wineculture is very different than
your interaction. So watchingpeople who are very proud of
themselves for drinking wine,drink wine and talk about how
proud of themselves they areabout it is very difficult for
me to enter.

Kelly (57:25):
hurtful.

Vanessa (57:28):
It's not about you, okay. Hold you out. No, because
I don't want you to feel bad.
It's just there's all thisbaggage. I have like a car full
of baggage in my trunk, allrelated to wine. And so I just
want you to know before I get inthe car, what's going on here?
Because we're talking about thisdirector, and I really was

(57:51):
excited to get into her. KarenCousteau. Kusama, so she
originally directed a couple ofother films we might recognize
girl fight, which is whereMichelle Rodriguez comes from a
on flux Jennifer's body. Andthen she did a lot of TV
followed by most recentlydestroyer. She also was one of

(58:11):
the producers on leap of faith.

Kelly (58:18):
I don't know what that is. What are these words you

Vanessa (58:20):
should look into it? I think you dig it's more of that.
William?

Kelly (58:24):
Wait a second. So you're saying this is Director we've
already talked about?

Vanessa (58:28):
You have mentioned a film in which she produced
produced did not direct did notdirect.

Eric (58:36):
Remember when you talked about girl fight for about an
hour.

Kelly (58:39):
I do remember that.

Vanessa (58:42):
She also wrote she only wrote one thing ever, which is
her segment on xx, the kind ofgirl and the horror anthology.
She did the segment her onlyliving son. So Karen was born in
68. from Brooklyn, New York wentto NYU Tisch School, initially
worked as an editor ondocumentaries and did some indie

(59:03):
film and music videos. And thenwas a nanny, and also painted
houses. So she had a nice like,worked her way up through the
system. When Nanaimo. She metjohn Sayles who basically she
acted as his assistant for threeyears, and then was with him
when he made Lonestar men withguns and limbo. And then she

(59:26):
wrote a screenplay in 1992 rightaround the time she got really
into boxing. Yeah, and that'swhere girl fight came out. It
worked out well. Yeah, really,really did. Um, she wrote and
directed her first feature at 31girl fight. And that was

(59:46):
partially financed by salesreleased in 2001. A ton of stuff
did well at Sundance did wellcan actually did break even
financially but didn't make aprofit. Still, she ended up
getting to do an influx. WithCharlize Theron, which had a
budget of 62 million, it wasbasically sliced and diced and
taken from her and then gross 10million below budget. So,

(01:00:12):
obviously, she was struggling toget more work. But she did
manage to get Jennifer's bodywritten by Diablo Cody, starring
megan fox that grossed 31million million on a budget of
16. So from there Yeah,basically she ended up in TV for
a long time after that,basically. Yeah, exactly. Like

(01:00:35):
you said,

Eric (01:00:36):
but I'm curious to kind of revisit that now. It's sort of
popping up again is one of thoselike you guys, take another look
at this movies. I rememberthinking it was just done. Okay.

Vanessa (01:00:46):
Yeah, but I don't think I saw it. But if I did, I
probably don't remember becauseI think it was one of those dull
But okay, slightly, like,supernaturally, but you get a
sword. Kind of, I mean,invitation is so well done. It's
just hard to eat some. It'sdefinitely interest. Yeah, so
2015 her husband, Phil, hey, andhis writing partner partner,

(01:01:09):
Matt men Friday, wrote it. Itwas funded through kind of a
special project called GameChanger films, which is a fund
to help women directors, so itwas kind of a way for her to
have a second chance. So thisfilm premiered in 2015 at South
by and then it was released byDrafthouse, and it actually it

(01:01:30):
wants some pretty good stuff.
They got the Critics Award atnoctel International Film Fest
and busts of switches, and thegolden octopus at strausberg
euro Fantastic Film Fest. So theinspiration for the invitation
came from her own personalexperiences. She had actually
lost her brother when she wasreally young. But I didn't see
anything about her joining acult. So yeah, it was shot in

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sequence and cost 1 million.
Yeah, I know. That's why Ithought I was like that's kind
of cool. shot over 20 days inLA, and she got full creative
control. That was kind of thethe big thing for her. At that
point. Actually, when destroyercame up, Nicole Kidman actually

(01:02:14):
lobbied for the part afterreading the script. She was so
excited to jump on that film. Soat this point, this character
demands Final Cut or she willnot work on the film that is
kind of her new stance. She'snoted as having strong feminist
themes, and almost all of herfilms have a female protagonist
except for the invitations.
Right? And she likes flawed andambiguous characters. She also

(01:02:36):
just a couple of fun quotes fromher to wrap this up. She said, I
revisit Roman Polanski'sRosemary's Baby, at least every
year, that film is endlesslywatchable, funny, scary, and a
sly feminist fable about thepitfalls of patriarchy. And she
said, I think Toby Hooper's theTexas Chainsaw Massacre is one

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of the greatest art films of alltime. So she's definitely a fan
of the genre. And I'm hopingthat, you know, we see more of
her in the future.

Kelly (01:03:09):
Well, all right, I think Vanessa took up all my time too,
so that's the Oh my God, I'm

Vanessa (01:03:15):
sorry. I I felt it as I was doing it, too. I tried to be
so short in the front half andthen I just I did too much
research. I'm

Kelly (01:03:24):
sorry guys. Just gonna open some wine here. Too much.

Unknown (01:03:28):
Wine and a kid's party.

Eric (01:03:30):
Oh my God. That is wine.
That is why

Vanessa (01:03:34):
it's definitely wine guys.

Eric (01:03:36):
I'm sure they're nice bubbles in that way.

Kelly (01:03:39):
Alright, guys, well, let me just say this. I chose
poorly.

Eric (01:03:43):
How did you Oh no.

Kelly (01:03:45):
I chose from 1991 or 1989 depending on who you're asking.
Okay, popcorn.

Unknown (01:04:01):
Before the horror of Halloween before the feet of
Friday the 13th before there wassomething happening.

Vanessa (01:04:33):
Someone shakes her hand she's running

Unknown (01:05:05):
Buy a bag in a box

Kelly (01:05:16):
Oh, okay. I couldn't find those budget. The box offices
was 4 million ish. RottenTomatoes critics have it at 37%
the audience has it at 41% itwas directed by Mark Harrier who
nothing really to speak of,since this except that he is an

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actor and he has been inPorky's, Porky's revenge,
Freddy's nightmares, a ton ofother things, but most recently
a recurring role on the Bosch TVseries is on Amazon crypto. It
was written by Alan Ormsby, whowill my bodyguard, the cat
people remake and all of thesubstitute movies and says Jill

(01:06:00):
Shaolin was the daughter in thestepfather. She was also in
purse too, and when a strangercalls back, Tom Dillard who was
in parasite Greece two and onecrazy summer, and D. Wallace,
who is pretty much genre royalty253 credits, including the
howling, et Cujo and critters. Ithought this movie was something

(01:06:24):
else when I picked it. Okay. Andif if one of the listeners can
help me out, that sounds likesomething Joe, Sherlock with no,
I was looking for a film where afilm festival happens if I
remember correctly. And then,like some kind of monster comes
out of the films and attacks allthe people watching the films

(01:06:45):
and this would have been a late80s early 90s film, I think
that's what happened. I thoughtthat's what this was. I mean,
not demons. Not Deena.

Vanessa (01:06:53):
Yeah.

Kelly (01:06:56):
This one starts off with this a nightmare sequence and
our lead wakes up and she tellsher mom, that she's having these
nightmares about this man who'strying to kill her and all this.
She is a indie film student at alittle college and she's
preparing a script, the filmteacher, he is going to allow

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the kids they've worked out thisdeal with this old theater
called the dreamland that hadbeen destroyed by fire early
before. And they are going toshow their films The student
films there. So they're puttingon like a little Film Festival
in their own film. But whilethey're preparing all this, the
theater and everything they findthis film in there called

(01:07:39):
position, which is about a guynamed lanyard gates, who was a
kind of like a, he was insane,maybe a little bit of a mad
scientist, although they nevercome back to that. He just seems
more like a like a culty kind ofguy. And he recorded this film,
which is his attempt tosacrifice this person. And

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they're going to they see thisand they're like, Oh my God, we
got to make this part of thefestival. It's amazing. From
there, a lot of shit happensthat I didn't quite get there's
a real nightmare dream logic tothis that I I was like, is this
a movie? I thought it was orisn't it because there are
scenes that felt like, I'mprobably you know, mashing two

(01:08:22):
films together or something ortrying to find this. What
there's this this crazy mosquitomonster up in the rafters that
is part of the film festivalthing that they're going to be
using kind of like in a castle,castle wooden castle town think
the film teacher is killed bythis mosquito thing, you know,

(01:08:45):
stabs through him. But then thenext. The next thing we see is
that guy, the teacher who goesand kills one of the students.
And then the next thing we seeis that student who goes and
kills a different student inyour you're sitting what is
actually going on here. And itturns out that one of the

(01:09:08):
students is actually the guy whomade the film and died in the
fire earlier, with amazingHollywood effects masks on him
to cover his burned skin. And sothat as he's killing these
people, he's making theseprosthetics that he can then
were to kill the next person.
Wow,

Eric (01:09:32):
he is the greatest makeup artist ever.

Kelly (01:09:36):
Yes. This is really really stupid. I was so unhappy.

Vanessa (01:09:40):
Is this vinegar syndrome?

Kelly (01:09:42):
Well, it's I don't know, but it's on Amazon. Oh, okay.

Vanessa (01:09:46):
Yeah, I think I looked at buying this and they're big
sale and I came very close. So

Eric (01:09:51):
now I'm visually as far as poster wise, I always get this
confused with Fade to black. Oh,no,

Vanessa (01:09:57):
that's what I'm doing.
Fade to black.

Kelly (01:09:58):
Fade to Black is a good thing. Moving on. Okay, gotcha.
Good, but not. So then they showthe movie possession, which was
his attempt to sacrificesomebody and now he's got the
main girl Maggie. And he's goingto sacrifice her like,
simulcasts with this film thathe's brought alive. And I mean,

(01:10:23):
I'll, I'll, I will spoil thisbecause it's shit with a big
huge mosquito thing comes offthe rafters and plummets and
kills him. And, and the audiencegoes crazy because they think
they've just watched this greatlive action thing while this
film was playing behind it. Noneof them realized that this was

(01:10:46):
what it was.

Eric (01:10:50):
You know, I had a similar you guys know, this week was
kind of a mess. If had been anaverage week, I might have taken
the film I watched and done anddone a different one as well. I
mean, I like definitely morethan you like yours. But after I
was done, it's like, I shouldhave done the hitcher.

Kelly (01:11:09):
Oh, well, that's just it.
I we were on kind of a crunch.
Yeah. And I was like okay.
Anyway, um, there is a littlebit of trivia here that's kind
of interesting, in that thisthis was obviously a troubled
production, and nobody wasreally happy with it. Such a box

(01:11:29):
office disappointment in the USthat in many markets, and I
don't even know if peopleremember that there used to be
these kind of theaters. Itbypassed first run theaters, I
went right to the second runtheaters. And there were these
little dollar theaters, you cansee a movie that had come out
six months earlier than itfinally made it to the dollar
cinema. Well, this one wouldpremiere at Dollar cinemas.

(01:11:51):
That's how I was doing. Thetitle popcorn was linked to an
element in the story. But thiselement was removed. Beautiful,
the producers and distributorlike the title. So it was Kevin
Kevin. Wow. No popcorn movie.

Eric (01:12:10):
He can shoehorn that in, I guess.

Kelly (01:12:13):
Yeah. And finally, while the film flopped in cinemas, it
has since become a classic amonghorror fans. I mean, I will. I'd
like to meet those horror fans.
Largely due to its homage toWilliam castle, who is known for
creating theater gags, such asthe ones depicted in popcorn.

Eric (01:12:30):
Just watch a matinee instead. If you want to
reminisce about what the castle

Kelly (01:12:35):
Yeah, this is one of those movies it was shot in
Jamaica and weird. Well, youknow, most movies are shot in
different locations, dependingon who will give them a tax
break or, you know, whatever.
And, and then they dress thesesets up we see all the time
horror films are being shotsomewhere in Romania is really
right now. And so you have tothen kind of throw American

(01:12:57):
license plates on the cars thatare parked on streets and try to
hide the fact that their streetsigns look way different than
ours. This one suffers from thatbecause you're watching stuff.
And I'm not exactly sure whereit's supposed to take place. But
then, just in a real quickscene, there's like a big palm
tree. And you know what? Thefuck is this? I thought this was

(01:13:19):
supposed to be Chicago, and Isuppose there are probably palm
trees somewhere. But youwouldn't make it a point of
showing it if you wanted peopleto think you're in Chicago. So,
yeah, that's my movie. I didn'tlove it. But I'm certainly glad
that I got to listen to Vanessatalk about her movie.

Vanessa (01:13:41):
You know what? I just research and I wanted to

Eric (01:13:44):
the impressive part about the invitation though about
you're talking about it wasthat's a hard movie to talk
about. Without

Unknown (01:13:50):
Yes.

Eric (01:13:52):
Yeah. Not a lot really happens per se. It's not like a
plot movie.

Vanessa (01:13:57):
No. There's a lot of like, looks and glances and
emotions and then the thingshappen that happen again.

Kelly (01:14:05):
And well. And yet you still managed to to really long
run an insult to me. Because Idrink wine.

Vanessa (01:14:13):
I count that as a success frankly.

Eric (01:14:16):
Bonus. Well Vanessa wins.

Unknown (01:14:20):
Oh, God.

Kelly (01:14:23):
I don't want to win. I drink wine because I'm an
alcoholic. That makes becauseI'm a snob that actually makes
me feel much better.

Vanessa (01:14:32):
It's a different thing in the UK. Okay, that's all I'm
gonna say people who like womenwho drink wine in the UK. It's a
different thing.

Kelly (01:14:40):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Unknown (01:14:45):
I mean,

Eric (01:14:45):
I'm just going to have my keep you in this hole for like,

Vanessa (01:14:50):
I just I don't know what it's like over here because
I don't drink wine over here.

Kelly (01:14:54):
Obviously, people are wine from Why can't I think of
his name. He played Snape in theHarry Potter movies and um, he
was in a movie that we saw atSif and he played the snobby
British Oh wine guy and he wastrying to explain to the the
California winemaker, it's like,You think I'm, you think I'm a

(01:15:17):
snob because I'm British, butI'm not. You think I'm a snob
because I drink wine orsomething? He's like, I'm not
I'm just British.
I'm trying to everybody's Yeah,everybody's yelling at us right
now. Because we can all see himhe was he was the hero and,
truly, madly, deeply. He's

Vanessa (01:15:38):
actually one of the people. Because I always want to
say Rowan Atkinson, which is nottrue.

Eric (01:15:43):
Spoon because it would hope more.

Kelly (01:15:48):
Alright, guys, I think I've got the next choice, and
I'm going to make it work. Waita second. Do I have an extra?

Vanessa (01:15:55):
No. For you stealing it from?

Eric (01:15:58):
You cannot make it work.

Vanessa (01:16:00):
Okay, well

Kelly (01:16:01):
tell. Let

Vanessa (01:16:02):
me let me tell you what we're gonna do next week since
you don't know. Um, we're gonnado me, myself and I where you
can explore the multi facetedversion of a singular person. So
maybe they have splitpersonalities. Maybe they have

(01:16:24):
broken multiple

Unknown (01:16:25):
people.

Vanessa (01:16:26):
Yeah, there we go. Alan Rickman, thank you for doing
that. Because otherwise everyonewould have murdered so they

Kelly (01:16:31):
probably already have edit all that out and just

Vanessa (01:16:34):
tune out. Just put that word in and then have me
continue talking be great. Butyes, so you can you can go about
this a lot of ways you can dolike a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde. You
can all kinds of ways you couldeven do possessor like two
people fighting for oneconsciousness. But yeah, so it's
a wide open plane.

Kelly (01:16:54):
This is actually a great topic. And it's weird that it
took us this long to get to it.

Vanessa (01:17:00):
I'm also surprised it was available as a topic to
choose. So yay,

Eric (01:17:05):
well done.

Kelly (01:17:06):
All right. Well, thanks to everybody. for the kind words
as usual, we're coming into 2021hot, as evidenced by Vanessa's
mean spirited.

Vanessa (01:17:17):
I'm feeling like see.

Kelly (01:17:20):
We appreciate all of you so much. I appreciate the two of
you coming up here, as usual,want to be a lot more than the
other? And we'll be talkingabout me, myself and I What are
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