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103 ME, MYSELF, AND I

Spiral, Impetigore, and Robby Benson are all bandied about, and then the topic of Split Personality flicks is discussed.

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Unknown (00:03):
Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Somewhere between science andsuperstition?
To show youStrange Aeons. Welcome Strange

(00:28):
Aeons radio. That's Eric overthere. He what do you do? That's
Vanessa over there?
Hey, Eric, I just gotta say, youknow, I was listening to the
last couple episodes with thenew microphones. And generally,
and this is nothing personalVanessa, your voice just annoys
the fuck.

(00:50):
And try to avoid listening toyou. Well, this isn't like a
whiteboard. This is just this.
You're just trying to get back.
I mean, for the wind comment,that's all but I will say that I
thought that while I didn'treally care for anything you
were saying last week, sure thatI could understand you and it
didn't you know, just set offall the bugs that annoy me about

(01:13):
your fantasticpoodle. MPR on your ass. You
watch it out.
I got a little bit of news here.
That probably is gonna meannothing to Vanessa. But I'm
curious what Eric thinks of thefact that
Oscar Isaac will be playing moonnight in the upcoming moonlight

(01:35):
series on Disney. I know.
I've read enough moon night. Iwant to be a bigger one. Which I
know I'm not happy, right. I'mnot trying to gatecrasher the
difference between a 17 moonnight Oh, no. A monitor nine
number is current best? Yeah,no, no, I only know the current
one. So I don't I only know himas the character that may or may

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not actually be a hero or couldjust be insane. Well, that's
that's kind of been hischaracter throughout. But it's
been tackled much differently.
Yeah, in recent times. But thethe filmmakers that are bringing
you this are the guys that didresolution spring, the endless
and synchronic. Yeah, that'sweird to me. I think it's great.

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I'm not sure how I feel aboutit. I think it's a great part.
Partially because i think ithink the casting is really
good. He's a little small. Butyeah, then again, Hugh Jackman
was a little large. And youknow, that worked out. That's
true. But he still can cast animposing presence

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fairly well. I think he doesthat. Well. Well, he's got an
intense Yeah, look on him. Sothat can work for him. But I
noticed that in the casting, heis cast as Mark Spector. And I
was like, well, that'sinteresting, because the moon
night I remember from the 80swith syncovich drawing him and
everything that was Steven grantand everything was a offshoot of

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that personality. They've gotthe the different personalities
I've actually like within thelast year have re read the first
100 or so issues or more of agood chunk of early stuff and
they the early on, they did alot of switching between those
Yeah, three characters. I mean,quite literally, like you drive

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up in the cab, get out, go intohis mansion, change for a while
then go out as moonlight allthree different characters like
in the span of three pages,right? I'd be really interesting
to see if they are changingthat. If he's is he going to
play all of the characters? Arethey gonna live them out? I
would assume he'd play all ofthem. I'm just interested to see

(03:45):
how they tackle this. He's sucha such a weird superhero. Yeah,
exactly. I think because theversions I've read have an
element of comedy to them.
That's why I was a little bitstressed out when I heard the
endless guys were like jumpingon board because I was like,
they're really good at indie.
Like, weird. I don't know howgood they're gonna. We'll see

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the one Kelly just referencedthis and Kevin tears could fall
in very well. Oh, okay. It was avery serious comic. It was not a
meaning of humor. But it wasn'ta kind of music face. Yeah, it
was pretty serious. Yeah, andI'm I think Oscar as x is gonna
be a fun watch. But we'll see. Ialso think that Disney and

(04:30):
Marvel have got it dialed in onhow their movies work. And there
is a fair amount of humor in allof their movies. Yeah, they also
seem to like to,to pluck these indie filmmakers
out and throw a big budget infor
it to ytg he's one of the fewthat likes Wham and didn't sink
though. Yes. So I think that itcan work. I mean, that Thor

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movie is right at the top of theMarvel films. Really fun. Yeah.
I mean,But New Zealand, Australia, New
Zealand Yeah, Yeah, they are.
They're a brave people. That'strue.
I also kind of feel that anybodywho can tell a subtle story can
crank it up to tell a moreoutrageous story easier than

(05:14):
somebody who tells an outrageousstory, can dial it back down to
tell a really subtle story.
Yeah. And those guys telloverall, very subtle stories.
They're big, but subtle. Yeah,they're really good at
stretching a budget out, that'sfor sure. No kidding. And Kevin
Feige says that the show willmake use of Egyptian
iconography, iconography. Andthat tells me that they're at

(05:38):
least going to play on the wholekhonshu right and stuff. So I
don't know. I'm looking forwardto I'm encouraged. I'm very
encouraged. Actually, I thinkit's sad because everything
they're doing sounds like a moonnight thinking to me as opposed
to moon night kicks. A lot ofcrap for just being Marvel's
Batman. Right, which is not. Imean, maybe the first kind is

(05:59):
the first the first run hedefinitely was. But as they
deepened him, he became a lotmore. Yeah, but yeah, I'm sure
the person who wrote himoriginally is like, but Bill
mantlo. Thanks. So here'ssomebody pretty big at the time
or Wolfman? I can't remember. Itmight have been Wolfman. It
didn't help to that. syncovichcomes on and he at that time was

(06:20):
a Neil Adams clone. Yeah, dothat.
Yeah, he started off his careergoing his favorite artists was
Neil Adams. So he basicallylearned to draw just like Neal
Adams would almost killed hiscareer. Oh, no.
All that. And then we werespeaking about last week about
shooting in different countriesto make use of whatever tax

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breaks or getting moon night isset to begin shooting in Hungary
in March.
On Disney plus in 2022. Thereyou go. Between the Star Wars
and the Marvel, it's gonna be aquery my hand I mean, I've
almost already kind of like, Idon't know, maybe you guys have

(07:03):
watched more of the trailers andare interested with division and
wanderout? Hasn't grabbed me at all,
which is weird, because anythingMarvel usually at least gets me
going. Let's check it out. Butby the time this episode comes
out, that should be on the air.
The first Oh, my God, HBO.
Disney Plus, I mean, food.

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I guess the question for me toyou them would be Did you read
the vision? More than a man?
Okay. That that's why I'mexcited. Okay. Yeah. Because
it's got a flavor to it. And ifthey get that, right, it could
be incredible. So otherwise,Yeah, I agree. I'm not into like
the 1950s. Like, bah, bah, bah,bah, stuff anyway, but I did

(07:47):
read a really good review for itjust recently that said, It's
bizarre, but in the bestpossible way. Oh, okay. Then
I'll probably like it a lot. Iwatched this week, a movie that
I guarantee neither of you haveheard of, but it was like one of
my favorites from 1980. And itwas called die laughing with
Robbie Benson. No. Oh, yeah. Imean, I know what you're

(08:11):
referencing because of the nameand everything. But no, I have
not seen that. Man. I don't knowwhy I loved this movie so much
when I was 10. But I really did.
Robbie Benson plays a strugglingmusician, who is also a taxi
driver and his latest fare getsin with a suitcase gets

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assassinated immediately. AndRobbie Benson takes off with the
suitcase running away from theassassin. And in the suitcase is
a monkey. A little spidermonkey. Oh my god. Why? This?
This whole thing? It's a comedy.
It doesn't quite work. Becauseit's also Hitchcockian thriller,
these people are trying to killhim and get this monkey.

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The monkey has these codes for anuclear weapon in his brain that
it is memorized. What is themovie, he took such a hard turn.
So he's running from theseinternational assassins. He is
also his band is geared up toplay at the Battle of the Bands.

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And that is super important tohim.
And the music in it is actuallygood and catchy. And it's
actually him singing he was oneof the writers on this and the
producer of the movie. He wasjust him trying to like you know
break out of the the pretty boything he done isn't good. And I
died. I was delighted throughthe entire thing. Okay,

(09:41):
question. Does the monkey playan instrument in the big final
show? goddamnit Where were youwhen brainstorming this?
Okay, cool. What an interestingfilm. I loved it. Die Laughing
joke kind of thing. Probablygonna go different.
After that, have you seenanything that's better sounding

(10:03):
than that? No. So what did youwatch? Oh my god, I have to
reset now. Geez my brain. Okay,well, I guess the closest to
weird ass movies I watched wasGreenland.
Yeah, me too. Yeah. Um, so,yeah, I mean, I love disaster

(10:25):
films. To the point where Ithought that really bad one
about like, the weather changingwas really fun. Like, 2012 No,
tomorrow. No, no, no. What aboutthe one with the weather machine
that they changed was that alsowith Gerard Butler? I think he
might have had geo stone geothrow to storm was good. So my

(10:46):
bar is very low.
It was pretty bad. like not evenfun. Bad. Well, for sure. Not
fun, but especially if thisstuff that you like, because
because it's hardly in there. Iwas like a disaster porn, just
like through just throw morecomments. The whole thing is

(11:06):
there's a big comment and itbroke off into little comments
and all the teeny tiny littleones are gonna like come and
crush on the earth. So it'ssupposed to be non stop comment.
No, no, it is full stop. Barelycomment.
It could have used so much morecomment and less like end of the
world wandering around beingassholes. I say I did not even

(11:29):
recognize this title. When yousaid it's I looked it up and
they tell you the tagline or thethe producer credit at the tops
makes me go Yeah, I bet this wasa confused mess. For the
producer of john wick, the townand Clash of the Titans. Whoa.
It is like if you took all threeof those phones he has any
Rotten Tomatoes ratings on thatbecause I will find I have a

(11:52):
feeling this is savaged by thecritics because it is mean
spirited. And it's boring toYeah, totally. Like and you're
just it is it out of all thefilms to try to copy. Deep
Impact is not high on my list.
aim higher, because you willfall short. So aim higher. It's
got that beautiful woman, MarinaBacharach the wife, right, and

(12:19):
she's a really solid actor whogets nothing to do here
completely. One scene that isreally kind of horrifying. Yeah.
Where her kid is taken. And Iwas watching this going, Jesus,
this is so uncomfortable. Oh mygod, Rotten Tomatoes as it is
72% which watch me audience aswell as sex is hot. It's way too

(12:43):
high. You guys. It's like a 30.
It's like a it's like a rough.
It's a rough picture. Yeah. Andlike you said, it's really
difficult to watch in momentsbecause the big action pieces in
it are basically human beingsbeing awful. Yeah, like the
worst. You think, oh, people aregonna be bad during like the

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end. They're like, let's justfocus only on that. Until we get
to like the grandfather's house.
And then he's sweet. And thenthey're gone. And I'm like, Oh,
that's fine. Everything's fine.
Yeah, bummer of a movie if whatyou're looking for is
Armageddon. Yeah, something likethat. Yeah. So hard pass. Hard
pass. I agree. I've got one thatisn't quite there yet. But if it

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keeps going, man, it could getrough.
The stand?
Have you caught up on me watchthe first three episodes yet? Or
just Yeah, yeah. You mentionedyou're talking about it. And you
mentioned, because I couldn'tquite figure out what's
bothering me because I haven'tread the standard since the 80s.
And I couldn't Why is thisbugging me so much. And then you

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mentioned when you mentioned,the problem it's having is it's
showing you what's going on, andthen going into flashbacks. And
the problem with that is, forme, my memory of reading the
stand 70 to 80% of it is thetrek to get to Boulder and
Vegas. It's just a bunch ofpeople walk.
They must have heard that revealand said, Well, we can't have

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that.
And then when they get there,you start to get into you learn
all these characters as theytravel and you figure things out
about them, but you really don'tlearn how deep some of their
problems are until they're inBoulder and then the shit starts
to go bad. Well, this movie orthis show, is that before you
get to know the characters,they're revealing, oh, well,

(14:34):
this one lady is in love withthe What's his name? The dark.
Satan, talking about flag? Oh,yeah. Oh, yeah. The blonde is
fantasizing about him. And thatseems like something that if you
got to know her really well as acharacter, she's walking across
the country to Boulder, pickingup this poor kid who's got the

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guitar and you're following justthat story.
Then you get there, that wouldhave been a devastating
revelation for that character.
But I think it's in Episode Two,you barely know them. That goes,
then after she's alreadyrevealed, I think it's after
she's already revealed what ashit she is, you go back to the
scene where the little kidsteals the guy's guitar, which
is a great scene. So Mike, thisis a disaster in the way that it

(15:20):
could be very good. But the waythey're chopping it up and
telling the story is not goingto work at all. And I agree. And
in the book, that character andI can't remember her name now,
but I can see her clearly.
She is not the one who comeswith the kid. Oh, really? Oh, so
they've jammed two charactersinto that. And I was like, why

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would you make her the one whogets the kid? That doesn't make
sense. The real problem is thebook is an absolute masterclass,
and character development. Andby telling it out of order, you
fracture all of these characterarcs. Yes. And so you're just
sitting there watching a bunchof scenes happen. And

(16:05):
theoretically, at the end ofthis, you could look back and
go, Oh, this all makes sense tome now, but if you're a new
viewer, I even think that you dodrop this by now, to be honest.
I feel like you have to haveread the book to understand
what's going on in this show.
Yeah, it's it's really reallydisappointing because
told an order I think it'll workbecause I think they're, the

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performances are good. A lot ofthe characters are pretty good.
The acting is good. The scene byscene writing is good. I mean,
it's not like terrible lines orstuff, but it's just the
creative choice to disjoint it.
I don't know maybe they wereworried that they lose the
audience if all they showed wasthem traveling across the
country. I'm like, Well, youcould put stuff in there and

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worked fairly well for thewalking dead. I walked around
and wandered for a long freakingtime. Maybe they were worried
about being compared to thatcould be I don't know, but it
says a lot when when you canlook back at a Mick garris.
And go well, he did thedefinitive version of this.

(17:08):
And what is that on is on isstill the most confusingly
named. Yeah.
network if if it's all access,but only if you pay
prepaid all access?
Yeah, it's no access for you.
And if you're and if you're aStar Trek fan, you have to like

(17:31):
it's only Star Trek fans thatare subscribed.
You're probably right I amrising. That's the only new
content no one's signing up tothat shaver big big theory like
read rehab or whatever rerunsof all the amazing race.

(17:52):
Yes, that's definitely what Iwant. You remember the days when
people could freely live theirlives and go out and public and
watch The Amazing Race? But thatwas just such a thing I missed.
I want to watch that again. Youcan still watch it you just
couldn't do it.
I know I sensing sarcasm but Ijust don't think it's that great

(18:17):
of a show.
Decided to torture myself alittle bit this week. And I
watched back to back the the newHalloween movie and Halloween
h2o. Oh, that's fine. You knowlike the
but haven't released the new onethat's supposed to come out.

(18:37):
120 18 Okay, okay. Just want tomake sure that I had missed
Sonny you pinned together coolto tonally such different films
if you didn't watch them in theright, no matter what order you
watch that. That's a badexperience. Well, I did it.
Specifically after reading thattaking shape book. And realizing

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that h2o did the exact samething that the new Halloween
movie did. They ignored all ofthe sequels. Except for they
they did say that part two wasone of the sequels they were
coming off of. Because it's gotJamie Lee Curtis now you know,
20 years later, which is weird,because the new one is four
years later, it's like, there'sbeen 20 years between h2o and

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the new Halloween movie.
I feel old.
And I will say this uponwatching both of those films.
h2o is the better film. The mathis awful and look stupid, but
it's a much more satisfying Iwas not a hater of HTML. I it
was one of those I knew was notgood, but I didn't think

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Halloween after first one wasparticularly good anyways, so So
I go into it with noexpectations and that there's
just a lot of fun. Unless you'rea Halloween. perfectionist, and
boy, do they hate that?
Well, I don't know why I mean,the mask looks awful. Yeah, I
don't know.
What was going on there thatthey thought? Good enough?

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It looksand an LL Cool J. Always fun to
watch delight. Yeah, totaldelight national treasure. And I
thought that i don't know ithought Jamie Lee Curtis was
really solid in it. There wassome stupid stuff in it and it's
suffers from coming right afterscream. So it's got a little bit

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of that going on in it. Andintroducing Josh Hart, Matt. Oh,
and his great hairstyle. Don'tboy. Yeah.
There was stuff to not like init. But overall as a story, it
made so much more sense to methan the 2018 film. So

(20:45):
yeah, I yeah, I think it's asuper super fun film. I don't
hate the 2018 film. I think it'sgot some interesting pieces.
Sure. But um, yeah, there'splenty to dislike and that were
Halloween. h2o. Feels like a Itfeels like a museum, an
amusement park ride. It justfeel it's just fun. It's silly,

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and it's fun. And then you'redone. And you're like, oh, that
was that was good. They bothsuffer from the idea like Kevin
Williamson was brought in forh2o. And he basically wrote an
ending which was Jamie LeeCurtis agreed to do was okay,
I'll end this franchise by beingin it. And we'll kill Michael
and that's it. And it was asuccess. So there was no way

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that the gods were going to letthat go without another sequel.
Turn right. The same thinghappened with this one. This
2018 was supposed to be the wayto end the franchise. That's why
Jamie Lee Curtis came backagain. Two more movies planned
now.
As of yet, yeah.
You didn't realize I knew I hada feeling it was financially

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successful, but I didn't realizeit was. Well, you know, as for
nerds, or were we as a group,hypocritical when it comes to
remakes because the constant nonstop bitching about remakes? But
then every remake that's of anykind of a name? Yeah. massive
success. Oh, yeah. There wouldbe no more remakes if we didn't

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all flock to the theater to see.
Yep. I mean, I sure as hell I'mgonna go and see that next to
you. Yeah, sure. I will, too.
But that's because we're,we're desperate. And Hollywood
knows that. Yeah.
This is good. But did you see sofar? And I'm fine with that.

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Yes. Yeah. Speaking of Yeah,speaking of good horror, I did
actually manage to check out theshutter or shutter original. I
don't know. shutter picked up.
Film spiral. Oh, yeah. I've seenthat one. Yeah. So it. It was in
my stuff I should watch beforethe end of 2020 list. And I just
snuck it in under the wire. Andit didn't make my like top

(22:56):
anything, but it was definitelylike a fun. It was it was an
interesting film. And it was notbased on the Japanese manga. No,
it wasn't it was a Maki animatedthing. I think that came out in
2020. But this is not that.
Okay. Yeah. Or is going to Yeah,there's definitely something.

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No, this one, but it does haveit does feature a spiral that
you see multiple times. So thatfeels almost
like a marquee. But yeah, Ithought it was I thought it was
good. I mean, it's it's got aplot point or two that this is a
huge stupid decision. Yeah. Whenthat the big word was written on

(23:38):
their, their wall, and hecovered it up and didn't tell
him about God. Why did you nottell him that somebody
graffitied inside your house?
Yeah, I could see the other wayaround the way the characters
are written. Because the one guyreally wanted to stay and the
other guy wasn't so keen onstaying. So if they reversed
those characters that might haveworked, that would have been so

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good guy who doesn't really wantto be there. Yeah. I don't know.
But overall, it's good. Andlargely because that one guys
that the the younger guysperformance was so good. He was
really, really excellent. And Ifeel like the places they went
in it was a little unique tostuff I've seen, so I felt like

(24:21):
that was refreshing. Even if itwasn't like a perfect film.
There were moments where I waslike, Whoa, he did that. Okay,
that's cool. Help out someonewho has no idea what this is
about them elevator? Sure,absolutely. A couple a gay
couple move to a small town tokind of get a fresh start after
one of the men who's a littlebit more of a straight laced guy

(24:45):
is divorced and is taking hisdaughter with him with them, I
should say. And they get intothis town. It's isn't the 90s
that it takes place. So yeah,yeah. And it's just around that
time in whichLike the aid scares at a height,
and so they're not quite surehow they're going to be
perceived. But the younger ofthe two men the couple is like

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loud and proud. And the otherone is very much like the the
suit and tie. So one isconstantly like, I don't care
what people think. And the otheris conservative. And in the
meantime,people start to kind of watch
them in a weird way that feelslike maybe futuristic. I can
maybe squash your interest alittle bit in this film if you

(25:30):
like. I wouldn't be surprised ifit is released by too far. I was
I don't think it is.
It's it's got a slow pace. It'sgot it's slow and then way too
fast. Probably. Yeah, yeah,that's true. But I don't I don't
know that you would love thismovie. But it was a I put it on

(25:51):
it entertained me enough for afew hours and then I liked it
overall, largely like I said,largely because of the
performance of him and thedaughter. Yeah, both really
good. And there's some goodstuff some good family stuff.
That one guy who's always thedumb kind of happy go lucky jock
who played the dad next door.
Oh, yeah. fun to watch. Butyeah, very different role for

(26:12):
him. I think he I think he wasin One Tree Hill as like wait
was you know he was inRiverdale? Oh, really? Yeah,
he's the dad. I think inRiverdale. Yeah. And so I
already was kind of set up itfor him to be like, potentially
maybe not good. So even thoughhe has a charming, very like,

(26:36):
boy, Amir all American man nextdoor face is probably why he
gets those roles.
Well, I had to have yet another2020 role.
I'm not entirely sure how topronounce this. But
that's new, I know, in PETA,Gore. And pedagogue and

(26:58):
pedagogue, have you seen thisone? I saw the first 20 minutes
of it. And like the first 10minutes of it, I thought was
fantastic. And then the next 10minutes, maybe go? And I don't
know if I need to watch any moreof this. It gets better again.
But you're right. The first 10minutes are awesome. And then it
becomes a story of two Well,yeah, two women who

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the main ones not doing realwell financially, but finds out
her family actually might havebeen rich. And they have this
giant home that she seeks to goand find out what's wrong with
it and what it is. And it startsstarts off with her being in a
tollbooth. And some guy stalkingher. And that's seen as quite
good. Yeah, it was like, well,but I guess I thought that, I

(27:46):
don't know, I thought it wasgoing to be supernatural horror,
and then it didn't feel like itwas going to be supernatural. Or
it goes back to that. Okay, itgoes back to that with curses
and pregnancy problems. Andmaybe they maybe her dad might
have skinned kids to scan on akid that was born without skin.
It gets pretty dark. And it getslow, really, really dark. It's

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good. If you end the year, rightthat next 10 minutes is not
great, but it gets a lot better.
The problem was, unlike hightension, where it also has a
hell of a beginning. Yeah, butthen keeps going. This one has a
hell of a beginning and neverreaches that peak again. But it
is still pretty good. It'sOh, Indonesian film. It is on

(28:33):
shutter. So I think it's labeledas the first Indonesian horror
film. No, and I don't know howtrue that is. If it is, it's a
pretty good startto some more folks.
I'm not familiar with really anyIndonesian film and maybe this
is just their structure andtheir speed on films could be

(28:55):
but the beginning felt very,very modern. It really did. I
watched it and then I startedgetting bored. And then I
started reading reviews andeverybody was like, best opening
scene ever and the movie goesdownhill and okay.
In the in the modern world ofstreaming where you can watch
damage or anything you want to Ino problem with the idea of
hitting a point in a moviegoing. Yeah, I'm done. Right.

(29:19):
Well, cool, man. Why don't wetake a little break and listen
to a groovy old toy commercial.
Okay. And when we come back, weare talking Vanessa about your
topic, which is me, myself and Iand you and Eric.

(29:47):
We live Galvatron Greetings,headmaster Decepticons in the
jaws of the beast.
From the pilot of the plane andthe pilot of the plane becomes
the head of the robot. And whenthe head and there's a robot's
body you get a readout of itsDecepticon power.

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Now with Laura, from Hasbro,we have returned. Vanessa, this
was your topic, so why don't youstart us off on that?
Absolutely. Um, well, I chose afilm that I hadn't had a chance
to see and really wanted tocheck out. It's been recommended

(30:32):
to me, probably by you guys, aswell as many other people. And
that movie is 2001 session nine.

(31:02):
I gotta get construction crewsin here by Columbus Day. So we
got to get from and how long?
I've been four really good guys.
One week. That's fast. I needthe job. So loonies are outside
in the real world. And here weare, with the keys to the loony
bin boys. might actually want tobe grateful. You're about to
make some decent money. What'sthe catch? Patricia Willis
scandal. 1984.

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I want you to try to rememberwhat happened 24 years ago,
shrinks figured that with thesenew techniques, they design they
could release hidden memories.
Okay.
I wouldn't tell anybody aboutthis. If they find out about

(31:48):
Hank, they're gonna find outabout the author of the others.

(32:15):
Very good. This was on my listof possibilities. Ah, cool. So
you have seen it? Yeah. I lovethis. Yeah. Um, so yeah, it's
interesting. definitelyinteresting watching it in 2021.
Because it, the age is clear,but we'll get more into that in

(32:38):
a bit. So the rotten tomatoesfor it actually pretty low. 64%
critics and 63% audience? Yeah,I mean, I kind of understand
why, again, like low budget kindof semi first, which is weird,
because it was absolutely acritic Starling. When it first
came out. It was the must seesupernatural horror film. There

(33:01):
are so many random trivia thingslike I was because most of the
time when we do these if it's asmaller budget film, like you
can't find any info. And thisone was like a tidal wave of
information. So I did kind ofget the idea that it went down
very well. Oh, yeah. So yes, butthe That being said, budget,

(33:22):
could not find box office 1.6million. So you know, I don't
know whether it was profitableor not. But I suspect after
streaming, it probably is acamera didn't cost that much to
make.
The director slash writer isBrad Anderson, who has done 44

(33:42):
projects. Frankenstein's Planetof the monsters exclamation mark
was his first. This sounds likea movie I need to see. Right? It
sounded pretty good. But wemight know him from the
machinist or Trans Siberiancurly. He's doing a heck of a
lot of TV. So he's really deepin the TV Land. But he is doing

(34:06):
a film coming out soon calledwell, coming out in a few years
is called the dwarf with PeterDinklage. Yes, some kind of
interesting projects on thehorizon. He also wrote alongside
his one other person namedSteven gavigan. This is Stephens
only writing credit. He alsoplays a character in the film

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named Mike. He has 55 actingcredits. He is known as neighbor
with lawn mower in War of theWorlds. He also played Klingon
number one in Star Trek DeepSpace Nine crossover.
Currently, he's done a few morethings. He's Bernie wolf in the
deuce. And he actually voicesJoshua Trelawny and Red Dead

(34:55):
Redemption two. So there you go,that guy and other people
starringThis the leads are David Caruso.
kerrison. Caruso? Yeah. Um,yeah, he was, uh, in First Blood
Rambo as that asshole cop. Andhe's the great cautionary tale
of leaving a hit TV show at thewrong time, which was his hit TV

(35:17):
show. Was it CSI Miami,NYPD, NYPD Blue and it was a
massive hit. And he went, I'mgoing I'm out. He like left
after season one, I think andthen did like Jade. Oh, and a
bunch of garbage films, youknow, eventually got to CSI Mmm,

(35:38):
yeah, I was gonna say cuz he wasin 26 episodes of NYPD Blue and
then did 232 episodes of CSIMiami as her ratio.
What a name. Also, he was in aTV movie called mission of the
shark, the saga of USSIndianapolis, which I thought

(35:58):
might be right up your alley.
That does sound like that'd beright on my I do have a year on
that. I do not have the shark.
It is a TV movie. So it might bea little bit of a dig. Like I
said, Steven give up Gavin onwho was the writer he was in
this? Paul Guilfoyle. Sorry,this is I don't know how to say

(36:19):
these people's names. He's likethe owner of the location that
this is at the the mentalinstitution.
He was in Star Trek discovery asCarl and has been in 115 things,
including 317 episodes of CSICrime Scene Investigation. So we

(36:40):
get a lot of you kind of get thetheme here.
We also have john Lucas, andthere's only like five guys in
this. four main ones. JOHN Lucasplays Hank, the irritating
gambler guy who steals thegirlfriend he played. He's been
an 80 things including quoteunquote, actor and the forever

(37:03):
purge. And he was also tell itand Hulk Yeah, a lot of really,
really, really tiny things. Andoh, he was chicken's Sweet Home
Alabama, sir. Yeah.
And I guess yeah, it's funnybecause a lot of these people go
on to be in these TV series forlike, you know, 20 3040 episodes

(37:25):
and their TV series I've neverheard of. So he was a pretty big
role in the the firm TV series.
I didn't even realize onto TV.
What is this? Okay, and thenPeter, Molly Mullen, who kind of
plays our lead Gordon. He's theowner of a company that goes
into a facility the abandonedmental Institute to clean it up.

(37:49):
He's going to be in the upcomingLord of the Rings series. But
you might also recognize him asJames Delos and Westworld. He
was also in 20 episodes of Ozarkas Jacob Snell. And I'm not in
top of the lake. I don't know.
He's in a lot of stuff. Yoga isin Trainspotting. aswani There
you go. And Andy inshallah,Griff There you go.

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I'm training. I'm actuallylooking at this trying to find
things that specifically Kellywould notice.
trying to be nice to me.
I'm doing my best. Um, althoughone I actually other thing. He
was in a show called rideriding, which was produced by
Jamie nutans, which is a guy Iknew from England. So yeah, he

(38:35):
was grumpy. But that was fine.
And Brendan, then Brendan Sextonplays the kid nephew Jeff. He
plays crop haired guy and threebillboards, and horse who's the
homeless guy in Russian doll. Sothe plots y'all
and asbestos abatement companymakes a bid to remove asbestos

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from an abandoned psychiatrichospital. desperate for money,
Gordon bits to do a cleanup jobin one week when realistically
it would take three. his crewinclude Mike, a law school
dropout, who knows the asylumshistory fill his partner who is
dealing with a difficultbreakup. Hank, a gambling addict

(39:20):
who stole Phil's girlfriend, andJeff Gordon's young mullet
wearing rock listening nephew,who has a pathological fear of
the dark. That was a weird one.
He was like, hey, go turn on thegenerator downstairs. He's like,
I can't. Why it's dark. likeokay, this is interesting. Um,

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well, cleaning out the asylumstrange things begin to happen.
Gordon, who's already unhingedby the stress of a new baby is
clearly at the brink of justfalling apart. He's exhausted,
he's irritable and just clearlynot quite all there.
Fill seems to be plottingsomething behind his back that

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we're not quite sure what Mikebecomes obsessed with recordings
of a patient with multiplepersonalities and wants to get
through all of these tapes tosession number nine, when the
last personality may or may notcome out of the tape may or may
not have an effect on thingswe'll see in a horror movie. You
know, do not play the tape donot read the book. Don't go into

(40:27):
an abandoned like psychiatricward and like play with like
teeth, or read old old, like,like medical records or play
tapes of dead people. You justdon't want to do it. It's not
gonna go well. Hank finds moneyin the ashes of the mortuary and
plots away to steal it. He alsofinds it's literally like teeth.

(40:50):
There's literally like, humanbut he's like, Oh, I bet I could
get some money for this. MoellerI was like, dude, have you never
seen a horror film before? Cuzyou about to die. Like
seriously.
And then Jeff just kind ofsucks. And that's his role. He's
just sucks at everything. Bythey start on Monday, and by

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Thursday Shit, shit gets to abreaking point of no return. As
Mike arrives at the final tape.
Gordon and Phil are ready tokill each other and Hank
suddenly becomes comes backafter disappearing for two days,
yet seems changed. And Jeff getstrapped in the dark. Also Oreos.

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So this film is reallyinteresting. So I'm going to
talk about the bad things first.
It is such a weird balance ofgood and bad. So for the sound
design is fucking awful. It isabsolutely almost unwatchable
because of how bad It's like hegot 100 stock sound effects and

(41:59):
put them all at the wrongdecibel level in the wrong
places. It is incredibly amateurfeeling. In that respect. It
definitely feels like a firstfilm. But it's weird because
it's so cheap. It juxtaposesthese kind of some of the
characters are good actors, someare really, really bad. And

(42:20):
having this bad film making letsyou be open somehow because
you're like, Oh, it's bad, whocares? And then when the scary
things happen, it's soeffective, because your guard is
down. I don't know how todescribe it. But the tension in
it is extremely good. It has agood use of a limited set.

(42:46):
And I don't know, God this film.
I seriously almost turned it offafter 20 minutes I was so over
it. It feels like a student filmand a lot of sets. Set moments
you get your like, you put ascene in here because you
thought it looked cool. Like youreally feel it like this whole
they literally chose to do thisfilm at this location because

(43:08):
they were like gotta film inthis cool hospital.
baller. I will say the editingis fantastic in this. It really
is well paced. For the mostpart, the actors are decent. And
like I said, there's scarymoments in it that just somehow
weirdly work and come out ofnowhere. There's a shadow that

(43:30):
creeped the hell out of me. Thisis the shadow. I don't even know
if it's actually meant to bethat scary, but it scared me.
There's an empty jar of peanutbutter that looks like your
grandma shot it on ChristmasDay. And still I was like, Damn,
that peanut butter came out ofnowhere. Why is that downstairs?
It shouldn't be here at all.
Like obviously a crew memberjust finished licking the inside

(43:51):
and just chucked it into thescene but still freaked me out.
There's a weird like a weirdthing with coins. That almost
makes no sense but it definitelygrabs you and like, oh, there's
a weird there's a chopstickmoment. Um, you got I don't know
whether just tell people towatch this movie or not. It

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looks so bad, but also good.
I don't know. I think effectiveis the word you're looking for.
Thank you. There we go. That'seffective. It's an effective
movie. Um, so yeah, so of coursesome fun trivia about it
premiered at Fantasia in 2001.
Released on 30 screens. BradAnderson's first horror film

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after directing to romanticcomedies, which was next to
Wonderland in 98. And happyaccidents in 2000. The director
considers it an American tragedyfilm, the screenwriter. I hate
this, the screenwriter aim toquote unquote, subvert
conventions of the so calledhorror genre that exists now and
thinks it quote unquote lesshorror than it is today.

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thriller.
Yeah, that guy's a douche. He'ssaying that his own film session
nine is teen thriller. Yes. Ididn't catch that. Right. There
is a singular have teens. Yeah,there's a singular maybe he's a
teen, but I thought he was likekind of in his early 20s then

(45:21):
it's weird to look at that assubverting anything reverting
and hard. It's just a horrorhaunted house movie is a pretty
staple style of horror. And Iwouldn't say that brings
anything new to it. I feel likethis guy doesn't know a lot
about horror doesn't watch a lotof work because this whole like,

(45:43):
I think he has an idea of whathorror is. And he made a good
film, but like,I don't know that that kind of
cockiness and that quote justdrove me crazy. Um, he said he
was inspired by the RichardRosenthal case, murder in Boston
where the director grew upin the mid, I don't know what
your because it, I didn't writeit correctly. My finger slipped

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and it says dash is. So in someit is is. The man supposedly
killed his wife after sheaccidentally burned his dinner,
then cut out her heart and lungsand put them on a steak in the
backyard. Also very muchinspired by the location the
Danvers state asylum. Okay, getthe second one. Mm hmm. Is there

(46:28):
a scene I forgot about it, thatmovie where somebody's heart and
lungs are stuck on a steak orsomething? No, we find out that
something is going on at home.
Yeah, there's that all right.
Yes, that is true. Gordon?
I'm not going to say thatbecause that might give away too
much but has a personalityissue? Maybe we're not sure.

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Based on the topic, I can sayyes. Thank you, Kelly. You've
received a splitting headachething or something, something
something something, maybesomething something. Somebody in
this or another may have amultiple personality of some
kind. The tapes, the tapes, andthere are only three rooms in
this entire hospital that wereactually dressed the rest they

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used as is.
They actually did find patienttissue and blood samples on the
premises, which they did notfilm out of fear.
The script was, like I saidwritten for the place Brad
Anderson used to drive past itevery day. While filming the
opening scene, a student pilotwas flying circles overhead for

(47:32):
three hours forcing them to filmin spurts when it was furthest
away. As a filmmaker, I reallyenjoyed that. I was like, yo,
like some person just bring.
They can only film in a smallportion of the building because
most of it was super dangerousand off limits. And it is true.
There's a kind of thing they sayin it about how homeless former

(47:55):
patients would try to break backinto the hospital and get back
in and that did actually happen.
This is where it gets creepy.
actor David Caruso saw quoteunquote, something past my
window when shooting, but hedidn't want to tell anyone
because he thought people mightlook at him strangely. Peter
Mullan they have a rooftopscene. He had a strange

(48:16):
occurrence when on the roof.
He heard a voice in his headthat told him to jump off and
see what would happen. Mullensaid the building brought out a
morbid kind of overactivecuriosity. Danvers state
hospital where this was filmed,was built in 1874 on 200 and on
a 257 foot high glacial drumlinnamed Hawthorne Hill. It got its

(48:41):
name from judge john Hawthorne.
He was appointed the judge inthe Salem witch trials.
Hawthorne, his great grand sonwas the American novelist
Nathaniel Hawthorne, who changedhis name to spell it with a W
because he wanted to hide hisrelation to the only judge
involved in the witch trialsnever to repent his actions. So

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as you may have guessed,Danvers, Massachusetts was
renamed from its original nameof Salem village. Apparently
there's a scene on the DVD thatexplains something that is very
confusing in the film.
So it's available via shotfactory if you want to
understand what actuallyhappens.

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And apparently they really triedto make this based on the
shining.
Include like, jack in theshining wakes up in a locked
kitchen closed with Oreos andpeanut enclosed with Oreos and
peanut butter. Gordon also haspeanut butter, and Oreos and his

(49:46):
fan. Both have wives namedWendy. So Oh, doing deep deep
cut there.
is so bad. I was like you guysgot to stop. The score, however
was done by Seattle baseball.
And climax golden twins. So,yeah. And after this movie came
out, apparently so this is why Ithought oh, maybe it did do

(50:08):
really well. Konami video gamesSilent Hill three Brookhaven
hospital is based on this filmlocation. Also there's a 2016
Horror novella, Dan verse thereckoning that is based on us.
So I would toss out a little bitthat I was not thrilled with
this one. I do I am I know. It'sjust something weird when I

(50:28):
watched it, because I want to goback and rewatch it if not that
for years. But I noticed it wasa huge it was giant all around
with the festival people and allthat, but it's kind of faded.
Yeah, don't hear talked abouttoo much. I think it's better
than that. I think it needs Imean, shopfactory did it so it's
not completely gone. Exactly.
And like, there, there are suchstrong elements. But I can see

(50:51):
if you pop this in like I don'tthink it would catch a modern
audience because it looks reallycheap. It looks really like your
friend and film school made it.
Like just the video quality isextremely low. Some of the set
design is really really rough.
And they have really thickBoston accents. A couple of them

(51:11):
and I find it very hard to findthe fear in that.
I can't do it. Ican pack the car go out to the
car. Get away from these ghosts.
I like that. Why aren't you onthe radio? I

(51:33):
continue to try. I can't do it.
But yeah, it's it's reallydifficult in moments of tension,
because they're like yelling ateach other. And these are really
hilarious bosses. Like, oh, yougotta go down to the Molly's pub
and really duke it out. Youknow? Wakey wakey wicked,
wicked. So who would like to? Ithink Kelly's ready to go Yeah,

(51:54):
I think I'll go next because Itotally won this one. Okay, and
and thank you for choosing thistopic because I tried a movie
that I'd never seen before. Oh,and I loved it. It is called
raising cane. Looks like she wasput in the car when she was
still alive and then drown. Likewe get her nails. See either cut

(52:15):
and torn. Looks like she wastrying to claw our way out.
You just see the expression onher face.
I hate to bring this up. But youare married to the perfect
Marsh, a woman's body and he'sbecoming awfully compulsive with

(52:37):
Amy. He doesn't just take careof her studies or what do we got
now to mom's disappearance? Thesame playground could get us all
put away for good. It'shorrible. To have something to
do with his father. I did noteven exist. This thing you're
doing means everything to theold man. I won't hurt her.
She'll hurt you. You gotta findthese women. Now. I don't want

(52:59):
to be walking by any lousycoffins.
You should never be cheap.

(53:19):
bad thing wasa loving wife of yours down the
river child.

(53:48):
My name is Victor's Locke.
From 1992 I remember that. Iremember getting very bad
reviews and that's why I didn'twatch it. It's got a budget of

(54:11):
$12 million dollars and a boxoffice of about 37 million. The
Rotten Tomatoes critics have itat 58% and the audience has it
at 41%Written and directed by Brian
depalma who directed carry thefury body double blowout
Scarface The UntouchablesMission Impossible. And the
dancing in the dark BruceSpringsteen video. Don't forget

(54:37):
that Oh, never bother. Oh, good,bad don't. This stars john
Lithgow who has 126 credits,including Footloose 2010 Harry
and the Hendersons cliffhanger,the pet cemetery remake, and was
the voice of Yoda in the BBCRadio versions of Mr. Shanks
back.
Oh, that's adorable. It alsostars

(55:00):
Lolita Davidovich who has 100credits including Gods monsters,
no vacancy and True Detective.
This movie is bonkers. It is notvery good. I loved every single
minute of because john Lithgowis just carry tire film. He
plays Dr. Carter Nix,who is a well respected child

(55:24):
psychologist and his wife,Jenny, who's an oncologist.
Very, very early in the movie,like the opening scene, we
realize that he is strugglingwith split personality. And
he has basically as killed awoman and stolen her baby in the

(55:46):
car. Oh, wow. Cool.
And then we see him he's takingtime off from his practice to
stay at home and raise theirdaughter, but he's just
constantly doting on her. Andhe's got a camera set up in her
bedroom, and you see him, like,get into bed with her and talk

(56:07):
to her until she falls asleep.
And then he just observes herand the wife is like, Alright,
this is a little much, but he's,he's trying this new, he's gonna
be writing a book on how toraise kids doing it this way.
It's, it's a little crazy. It'slike super obsessive.

(56:28):
But we so we learned that thathe is killing mothers and taking
their babies or toddlers, we'renot sure exactly why yet. And we
also learned that his wife ishaving or starting up an affair
that she had with a priorpatient, or actually the widower

(56:49):
of a former patient. And in agreat scene, we have a
flashback, where she's treatingthis patient as woman who's
dying of cancer and her husbandis there all the time. And she's
kind of falling in love with himbecause of how much he loves his
wife and, and they kind of sharea moment where she reaches up

(57:10):
and kisses him. And he's kissingher. And then he opens his eyes
and looks over his shoulder. Andthere's his wife, who's been,
you know, on the deathbed thisentire time, her eyes are open,
and she's staring at them. Andthen the, the heart beat thing.
flatlinesso it's just this horrible
scene. Oh, my God, the movie isso crazy, because let's face it,

(57:30):
who wants to be Hitchcock andrips off every Hitchcock film
ever? This one is so weird,because you would think, Vanessa
talking about your last film,it's like with a split
personality film, you almostkind of want to like not spoil
anything, because it's almostalways a, a twist to realize

(57:51):
it's the same person. This oneright off the bat in the first
scene, Lithgow knocks this womanout and starts freaking out
because there's some joggers whoare going to be coming and
finding him. And then there'sanother john Lithgow there who's
a little cooler and startswalking him through what

(58:12):
looks like a physicalmanifestation. Yes. Cool. So
like, right off the bat, you'retold he's got this problem. And
that's not what the mystery ofthe movie is. So he kind of puts
that aside and said, Now let'sget on with this story.
So she ends up starting this,this affair backup with this man

(58:35):
and her husband sees them. Andwhen he sees them, one of his
personalities comes out againand says, hey, we've been doing
this horrible thing. And let'sblame it on this guy that she's
having the affair.
So they do that and, and then heends up killing his wife. She

(58:59):
starts asking questions and sheknows something's going on. And
he knocks her out. And in ascene right out of psycho. He
puts her in a car and drives carinto the lake and watches it.
Watch this thing. she of course,is not dead. She starts pounding
on the Windows as the car isfilling up, and he just watches
her go down intothis dude's bad.

(59:25):
The thing is, though, she's notdead, either. She comes back to
and at first, your little. Thiswould have been I think a better
way to play this is this in hishead that she's back. But very
quickly, we realized No, she'sactually back. And he is
apprehended by the police forattempted murder.
The police bring in thispsychologist to interrogate him

(59:47):
and the psychologist worked withhis father.
And this is where the movie justtakes on this amazingly creepy
scene because she's telling thepolice You know, he looks just
likelike his dad and I worked with
his dad. And here's the story ofme working with his dad, his dad
wrote a book about a young boywho had multiple personality

(01:00:09):
disorder. It opened up all sortsof new ways of testing new
information that they'd neverknown about or anything like
that. And he had all of thesetheories on what would cause
something like this to happen,but you'd never know. Right?
Because you only get a a personwith this mental disability
after it becomes apparent theyhave it. So he decided to

(01:00:32):
traumatize his child and try tomake these things happen try to
make a multiple IdentityDisorder occur in his own kid,
so that he could study and it'sjust like so fucking horrifying.
Well, of course, Carter, Kane,they break out the he attacks

(01:00:58):
the the psychologist is talkingto him steals her dress and wig
and escapes. Because one of hispersonalities as a woman has
kind of a motherly figure. Whatwe learn is he's got like six
personalities in them and one ofthem's a little boy, one of
them's this evil guy, one ofthem is this womanly, or not
womanly, but motherly woman, butthey're all kind of shitty.

(01:01:23):
It's not like that, you know, agood version of himself. Like,
can I please talk to Bob?
So then, I guess the twist is atthe end, when we find out that
the father who was supposedlydead is actually alive, and he's
continuing his bullshit. And thereason that Nix is doing this is
pure procuring babies for hisdad. Oh my god, it's horrible

(01:01:46):
experiments on him. Oh my god.
It turns into a really niceHitchcock ending, where,
hopefully, you know, everybodycould die or maybe something
would happen. And then a nicelittle, a nice little and shock
moment, you know, just before itcuts the credits, but I just
watched this movie with a smileon my face. And I was like, This

(01:02:08):
fucking movie is bonkers, and Ican't believe I passed it up in
the theater. Lithgow and dipalmaseem like just a match made in
heaven. The movie, as it wasoriginally written, was supposed
to start with the wife's story.
And then we were supposed togradually learn that john

(01:02:30):
Lithgow had these issues thatwas supposed to come in in the
second act. But the producersdidn't like the way that it was
coming together as they wereediting it. So dipalma switched
it and put you know, he made itfront heavy with Lithgow stuff,
but he'd always said that he wasa little disappointed with how
it came out. In 2012, a fan dida fan recut of the film, and cut

(01:02:56):
it the way that dipalma liked itor wanted it to be cut. And he
reordered all the scenes asoriginally intended and released
it on a on the web. And dipalmawas so pleased with the results
that when the film was going tobe released on blu ray by shout
factory in 2016 he was able toconvince shout to hold off on
their initial release so therecut could be included on the

(01:03:17):
blu ray Oh, this fan cut is nowconsidered the director's cut oh
my god should go is that fat guymust be so happy or girl with
themselves. His name is PeteGilder Blom. And he says it says
here gelda Balaam expressed onhis website how extremely happy
he was. Yeah.

(01:03:39):
She is that is like a that isthe thing that you will die for.
It really makes me want to grabthat director's cut or the shout
factory I want to I can see whatthe cut is like.
And then finally, I thought thiswas cute. There's a fan theory
for the TV show Dexter whichlet's go is also that his
character Arthur Mitchell is thetwin brother of Carter raising

(01:04:01):
Cain. That's so funny. I mean,dex, like I was just gonna
mention, john Lithgow and Dexteris one of the most phenomenal
performances, he's still seemedas well lauded as he is he still
feels like an underrated actor.
Yeah. Well, I mean, 10 years onthird Rock from the Sun, which
was very highly regarded. Yeah,so I think that people love him.

(01:04:21):
He's just, you know, he's acharacter actor. Yeah, he's got
to face he's never going to be aleading man. Right. So but I
never made it that far intoDexter. I think I gave up about
halfway through the seconds.
Yeah, I know. It's um, you don'twant to watch it too long, guys.
It does not get super good. Butthat season where he's almost

(01:04:44):
like a rival to that was prettygood. XOR It was very good cuz
he's, like the perfect fatherfigure. But also complete.
maniac.
It's Yeah, yeah. Well, you knowthat I don't
My dipalma rewatch, and Ipurposely left this off because
of the bad reviews and gave meVanessa and an opportunity to

(01:05:08):
check this out. And I was justlike, you know what, this is
better than some of his films,you know, earlier films that
everybody loved that i i hateScarface. I think it's a bad
movie. I think this movie is somuch stronger. I don't hate
Scarface, but man, I do not getthe obsession with it. I think
as far as it's pretty boring.
It's definitely in the mid tolow range. I have a theory that
everyone who has a Scarfaceposter in their man cave has not

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actually seen them. I do wonderand being seen the ending scene
with it. Say hello to my littleman. Well, I'm so glad that you
checked it out. And I'm moreexcited to get into more dipalma
I love love love Carrie. So goearly man. Black Dahlia is I
have seen Black Dahlia and Iremember watched all of it. I

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don't know 10 minutes in andthen hey, look, there's this
low budget no budget moviecalled Black value and see what
that's like. And that wasnegative either.
level and blow out or Yeah, blowout. So
blow has an editor as the Saleensound guy. That's right.

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I know of blow up but that'slike a French blow Blow out is
john travolta. Oh, it's great.
Oh, it's he's a post productionsound editor.
Very cool. That's fine andintercal to the stories now it
just doesn't have to be as jobit is. The story.
Oh, okay. Watch it tonight.
Yeah, it's I I will watch itvery soon.

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All right. Well, my movie is onethat I see pop up all the time.
That reminds me, it's like, Ikeep seeing it pop up on Netflix
or wherever it is. Now. I thinkit's Amazon. And going. Is this
a film that was submitted tomiff when I was running malstrom
International Film Festival saysI finally watched it because it

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came out in 2009. So it's aboutthe right time. It's called
heartlesssuicide about this parallel
life.
This life and when people comein, they call me names and seven
lifein the shadows where he lives.

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He's the only one who can seethem.
Outthe window and all this madness.
He's the only one trying to stopthem. Please.

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waiting for him.
But when a stranger makes him anoffer, I thought he might be
ready for making a deal.
He will wisdom tomy world. It will turn his world
inside out.

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I used to have this birth on myface. He has the life he always
wantedto me. But the battle for his
soul actually killed somebody isabout to begin. I mean, thank
you for sayingnot familiar? Probably not. He

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might have seen the photo it'sgot or the poster around because
it's around a lot. But RhondaMeadows has it it's 78 for
critics and 47 for audiencewhich seems about right. It
lists as a budget of 5 millionwhich seems a little high but it
definitely could do it. And as atheater or a festival darling.

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So it made like $20,000 in thetheater. directed and written by
Philip Riley who did originallywho did the reflecting skin and
the passion of darkly passion ofdarkly noon
and wrote all the same things.
Reflecting skins The only one Ireally read. It's like okay, I

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know that name. Starring JimSturgis. You might know from the
countryMovie 21 or Cloud Atlas is also
an across the universe has goneon to do quite a bit.
Luke treadaway, who's in attackthe block and the clash of the
titans remake clemency. Poseymovies her name, who's in

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Burgess and Tennant. HarryPotter movies like the last
three Harry Potter movies, andgossip girls.
And it's very recognizable ifyou don't know her name, you
would, you would know who sheis. And know Clark who played
Thomas Harewood in Star TrekInto Darkness.
The idea is, there's a guy who'sgot you know, if you know, Jim

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surges, he's a leading man, goodlooking kind of actor. And in
this movie, he has a giant heartshaped birthmark on his face,
and birthmarks down his chestand onto his arm. And so you
know, he's made fun of andtreated weird and stuff takes
place in London.
Ooh, in London.

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It starts off with him as aphotographer, or as a
photographer's assistant,watching guy take pictures.
Kind of getting a little crushon the lady there. And of course
she acts. She doesn't have meanto him, but she does react to
the face. I mean, it's if youtook your hand and stuck it on
your face. That's how big thisbirthmark is. It's It's huge.
Well, gets made fun of by localfriends and local gang kind of

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things and stuff. But rightwandering the streets one night,
he runs into something verybizarre. And there's these weird
sounding noises he's hearing. Soit kind of follows them and
they're finds these threehooded, people attacking a guy.
But when they turns around andyells at him, it's a giant weird
lizard face. So it's like what?

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These guys turn later to attackhim and burn his mother to death
in front of him. Whoa,dark. Yes, the film does have
the problem of becomingmelodrama occasionally. It's
still it's good. It's well actedmelodrama. But still it's like,
okay, lighten up just a littlebit guys.
And they they seem to kind ofabandoned his job really

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quickly. And he falls intoreally fast, weird stuff starts
to happen. He's researchingtrying to figure out where these
guys are. And that leads him tothis very creepy looking man in
a wonderfully decrepit set uplike an abandoned apartment or
something which is really wellput together. And you kind of

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quickly figure out that he'swith probably the devil.
And the devil makes a deal withhim. This is where the split
personality thing comes in. Heremoves the birthmark
by setting him on fire andhaving them out. And in a
credibly well done disturbingscene where he peels the burnt

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skin off of himself to revealthe new fresh baby skin
underneath.
And the devil has a littleassistant he's got this little
girl that's with him that sortof convinces him to do things.
Of course, once the birthmark isremoved, he run into the lady
that sort of snubbed him beforeand they start hanging out and

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good things happen for him. Asyou know what I mean, there are
a couple of weird things in thefilm that those creatures with
their faces almost disappear forthe entirety of the movie there
in the beginning and the end.
And that's about it. The storybecomes about him dealing with
how he looks now versus how helooked before. And everything
that was set up in the beginningkind of disappears. A little

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weird. And they drop a hugestory elements, his job, the
photography, job disappearsuntil it becomes a plot factor
again, his family kind ofdisappears once the mom dies.
Everybody in the they've gotthis big scene where everybody's
giving each other I think it'sChristmas presents or something.
They all disappear. They likeall run out of town or

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something. So he's got theapartment alone where his mom
lived. And the deal with thedevil Of course, he has to kill
a person and leave the heart ona church step knows that's a
bloody kill.
So really Graham, and he is hisperformance is great in it. And

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the little girl starts callinghim daddy says like, that's
creepy. And I think I know why.
So of course the devil comesback and says have you stolen my
whatever now you have to killsomebody else and you know his
girlfriend.
Now I really was mediocre onthis film until I was kind of
doing research and the researchI read adjusted my thinking on

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it, which helped a lot. Asopposed to a straight movie.
It's a lot of people that reallyenjoy it look at it as a fairy
tale. And as a fairy tale. It'squite good. As a film it's a
little disjointed and hard tofollow. But fairy tales have
their own weird logiccan skip shit all the time and
are never particularly perfectand whether the way they tell
stuff, I think it's a reallygood way to look at this film. I

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honestly don't remember if itwas submitted to me.
Oh, I think it was, I think itwas and I wasn't able to show it
because it got picked up, youknow, just pretty common and
maybe to run a small festival,it looks great. If the acting is
incredible. There's a reasoneverybody in there has gone on
to be in dozens of productions.
And the directors gone on thereflecting skins pretty artsy.

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So, overall, good, just not, notgreat.
little interesting things aboutit. There's a lot of songs in
the movie, and some are good,and some are not.
The lead actor, Jim ends upsinging to the two of them. And

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they started off and he came tothe director and said, I'd like
to, is it possible for me to saya couple of these songs? At the
time, they both kind of agreedthat that's not really good
idea, my pillow weird or selfserving. But as the movie came
together, they both came to therealization that, you know,
that's a really good idea. Itfits the character. There's two

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songs that really fit theprogression of the character.
Why don't you sing those two?
And so he did. And he's prettygood. Did he is is he seeing
them? Like as a person singingthem in the movie? Or he's just
the soundtrack? It's like, DirtyDancing. Yeah, where it's a
soundtrack song. Okay, that hesings two of them. Oh, wow. The
director looked at the songs asa Greece Greek chorus commenting

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on what was going on in themovie. So every song in the
film, heard on the radio or in aclub or whatever is intended to
be part of the score. And it'spart of the film, which is an
interesting take. I don't knowhow successful that is. Because
you know, I don't know like I'mlistening to the lyrics of the
song most of the time. Butluckily the the songs Jim sings

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are probably the best songs inthe movie, so you could call
grabbing those. The filmpremiered in August 31 at four
films Fright Fest, our filmfloors Fright Fest, excuse me,
played around the world onebest independent feature at
Toronto after dark won the GrandPrix scribes at fantastic Porto

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a couple other leadsInternational Film Festival and
stuff are one of several best ofawards. It's a well executed
film. And it's a really goodfestival film.
Andthere's sometimes festival films
ormaybe not as great as you might
think, but have something reallyinteresting about them. And this

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fits into thatthree views of somebody who let
me tell me if you think he likedit or not,
Ben, Ben Ross and Jones ofDigital Spy the form and content
are perfect match and heartlessboth are just desperately

(01:18:04):
terrible. Oh my god.
Okay, so you know he didn't likefilm very much I'm guessing.
Overall, it's like I said, it'sgot to us 70 or something. It's
a pretty solid film. It's wellworth watching. I'm glad I
finally watched it. Just to getrid of that thing in my head

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every time I saw the postergone. Sure. But you don't have
any answer.
But I know the film. So andthat's actually all I need. I do
I do kind of feel like I shouldcheck this film out. I did
actually have a giant birthmarkon my face for until I was nine
or 10 and then it faded away butacross my entire forehead. And I

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still have one going up likemost of the back of my head.
Yeah, so but had I known when Iwas like seven that I could just
bargain with the devil and getit to go away. I might have made
different choices in my life.
Maybe you did.
And explainsall right, well, good topic
choice. Vanessa. I like this onea lot.

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But that means it's my choicefind ways right? Wait, why
teasing you last week? What do Ineed to go and research in
Google? Okay, I'm calling thisnext episode. Destination hora
This is going to be likevacation horror or you know you
had to go someplace to get tothis or if you just stayed home

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you would have been fine but no,you wanted to go to camp
hockey mask wielding maniaccoming and killing you and all
your friendsor something like the Hills Have
Eyes which was you know, afamily in a motorhome that got
caught in the wrong place. Soyeah, something that either they

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either termed redneck or wouldfall very strongly into this. I
would share itLike every wrong turn movies
starts with this premise. Yeah.
Well, it seems wide open enough.
And also interesting enough, Ishould be able to find what am I
would love to and need to watchmovies to throw into that. Sure.
I mean, I'm sure I'm gonnashoehorn the fog into this.

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I mean, he does drive to there.
It doesn't start off in thattown to Antonio Bay.
Alright, everybody, that'severybody's homework for the
week too. So I'd love to hearwhat everybody else has to say.
Thanks to everybody who's sayingall the nice things is leaving

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reviews is sharing the links weIpsos go I have a reaction to to
sherlocks comment on 1980s RoadWarrior timeline. Oh, yeah, I
saw that message. And I lovedit. I'm not sure when the film
was supposed to actually takeplace. I mean, I know it was
shot in the 80s. So saying thatit took place in the 80s when

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it's clearly a future wastelanddoesn't make a ton of sense to
me. But I'm just going off thememes that
had him walking down the middleof the street. So yeah, those
those are fun. Thank you, Joefor doing research.
That I just liked his his entirecomments there. It was nicely

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thought out. So thanks, Joe, forthe kind words and even paying
any attention to us.
Definitely. And yeah, thank you.
I have a friend who is a fellowgame trailer editor who decided
to pick us up and listen to uson a road trip and really dug
it. So thanks for checking usout. Yeah, George Vaughn kept on
telling me Hey, I'm listening toStrange Aeons radio and I was

(01:21:45):
like, do you want to mellowmetal? Fuck.
Thanks, George. I appreciateyou. Ignore Kelly. damn fun.
They did say that they weregoing to now after the episode
they last listened to check outNightmare on Elm Street again,

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because they hadn't seen itsensitive first came out
was our episode of the filmsthat we thought defined horror
for us. So anyhow, no lie.
Thanks to everybody who listensand gives us a little bit of
their time. We really, reallyappreciate that. Definitely.
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