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Who? Shame on you for not recognizing the name of the lovely Jill Schoelen! And shame on the gang for not realizing that each of them had unwittingly picked a film from her oeuvre for their Unrequited Love flicks! So enjoy our impromptu Jill Schoelen Retrospective and the other films discussed, including Skyfire, Bloody Hell, and Promising Young Woman.

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Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
Somewhere betweenscience and superstition?
To show youStrange Aeons. Welcome Strange

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Aeons radio. That's Eric overthere is no doubt that's Vanessa
over there.
Good day to you.
I'm Kelly. Remember a coupleweeks ago when I got off of
Facebook. And the reason that Idid that was mostly because I
was just tired of all the superhardcore political posts, the

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pandemic stuff and all that.
Well, a friend of mine reachedout on messenger. He shall
remain nameless. But he, he didsay, Hey, man, are you on
Facebook? And I said, Yes. AndHe's, uh, whoa, everything okay.
And I said, Well, I just got alittle tired of the the hardcore
politics and how nasty it wasgetting. And he said to me,

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yeah, man, if I didn't have youknow, stuff to, to promote, I
wouldn't be on here either. Andthe irony of this is he was one
of the guys that made me feellike I had to get off of
Facebook. Because he was just somilitant about Look, if you
voted for this particularperson, then go ahead and

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unfriend me. Now that kind ofsuper self aware. Yeah. And on
top of that, I'm not gonnaunfriend you. I probably didn't
friend you in the first place.
You have to search me out. Soyou got to unfriend me. I'm
gonna make you work for thatshit. Yeah, that

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should unfriend me as always oneof the more annoying.
Yeah. I mean, it's like, youknow, throwing your, your toys
out of the pram, right. It'slike, man, so angry. I mean,
like, I don't know, I I realizedthat I probably posted a few
more than I should have. And itwas almost all out of pure
frustration. And I kind ofrealized that I should not even

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do I mean, I try really hard notto, but I got into a fight like
last week with like a little oldlady on like, my island Facebook
group. And I started like,yelling at her text. And like
bringing it like I wrote tiradesand I, I paused and she kind of
responded with Oh, I actuallywasn't saying that this thing

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was good or bad. I was justmentioning it. And I was like,
Look, I am so sorry. I have alot of stuff that up. And then
we started trading stories aboutlike, the harsh cities we've
been experiencing with COVID andhow we both Miss like our loved
ones. I was like, this reallybecame a sweet moment. And I

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felt so bad. I was like, I gotit. I can't I can't do this.
This is everyone's peopleunderneath it.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's reallyinteresting because Facebook is
is so vile, and it works exactlyas it is designed to work.
That's the worst part. Yes, itis set up

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to make you so obnoxious likeyou. Like you're scrolling
through the video feed and youstop on a video. Like one time I
stopped on one of those awfulextraction videos. Like whether
dig in a bug out of somebody'sear or something. Oh, no, no.
And I watched one more where doyou see that again? Guess what

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you're gonna see again and againfor quite a few weeks. Like oh
boy.
Yes, the alcohol knowsyour secret wants, like, at all
I was like nope, hemight just try to make me shop
very hardcore, which isirritating. I have recently
watched one of those minimalistsNetflix movies and I was like I

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need to like get rid of and thenI realized I'm getting about 20
emails a day from like myfavorite companies all telling
me what to buy as like I need tounsubscribe
does it work on you? Do you buythe stuff
oh yeah like I definitely gothere sites sometimes I buy I
always put stuff in a cart. Idon't know that I always buy

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it's bad though. I should spendway less in my life putting
things in carts on like freightrags
episode brought to you by Fridayright? Instead of a movie I'm
going to start out withsomething else this time you
guys I have picked up so youknow the do the Marvel epic

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collections which are thesegigantic collection of the
various issues, sometimes asmany as like 25 issues to tell a
story or something. And Idecided to pick up some of the x
men stuff at long after I hadstopped reading. But but still
within the time that ChrisClaremont was right. And I,

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quite honestly was horrified. Iwas like, This is bad. This is
really bad stuff. After I guessthe mansion had been destroyed.
Xavier was often space orsomething. And the x men were
presumed dead. And we're likeinvisible on cameras or stuff
like this. And like, Oh, no,this is really bad. And I

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started getting verydisappointed. And then for some
reason, a light bulb went overmy head. And I went back, and
instead of getting the stuffafter what I was reading, I
decided to get this stuff frombefore I started reading. So the
Roy Thomas and Neal Adams areversions of the x men from the

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mid 70s. Yeah, and I've been sodelighted. The Epic collection
that their their run starts inhas maybe 10 issues before they
get into it. And those issuesare rough. Not not very good.
This just knows thispretty giant size.
Yes. Okay. Yeah, this is thiswould be like issues 50 you

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know, afterwards. But once RoyThomas gets in, it gets pretty
cool. And there are a coupleissues that are done by Jim
steranko. And those issues arelike, crazy. I'm not sure if
you're familiar with who JimStanko was, but he was a really
important advertising artist inthe 60s. And he did. I mean, his

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stuff is all over Marvel, andit's crazy looking ship, a lot
of psychedelic images and stufflike that. It's just really
cool. So So once that happened,I was like, Wow, this is
amazing. And then Neil Adamscomes on, we were even talking
about Neil Adams not too longago. And he just brought a level
of realism that hadn't been seenin comics before. And when he

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moved over to marvel, hebasically told Stan Lee, give me
your lowest selling title, withthe idea that they would let him
do whatever he wanted on a titlethat was gonna be cancelled if
he didn't save it. And it turnsout dn Roy Thomas saved it for a
little while. Oh, my God, andhis art on that is just

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spectacular. So Vanessa, if youguys are interested in early,
excellent stuff, you could do alot worse than picking up the
epic collection that Roy Thomasand Neal Adams.
Yeah, I'm always interested ingetting into the x men comics.
But I'm, it's so hard becauseit's like, where do you even
begin, like, I have the JossWhedon run. And that was what my

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age like entry level was intoit. And I don't know, I just
pick up random things now. Andagain, and like I don't know
what this is about,but I'm reading it early. Chris
Claremont was really good. Itwas some of the best comic book
writing going on at the time.
At the time. I would say that ifyou clocked in at just Sweden

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that you're going to not likeClaremont writing. Yeah,
that's whyI yeah, I wish I I do wish I
liked the older stuff more. AndI feel because I just started so
late. Like even with Batman, Istarted around frank, I was
given Frank Miller to beginwith. So it's like, I've never
really had like a lot of thekind of earlier, fun, more
cartoony feeling, stuff that'slike bigger, and then life kind

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of stuff. I've always had thedark, realistic thinks so an
excellent, it's just, there's somuch to it.
Oh, yeah, there is. All thosebad off issues, and the four
issue run off?
Well, and then I picked up, youknow, when they relaunched, I
don't know, just a year ago, orsomething with the New Mutants

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and all that again, and I pickedthose up, and I was so lost, and
quite honestly, you know, it'sjust like, Oh, you know, I sound
like an old man. But this is notthe x men that I loved.
Not your father's x.
Definitely is not. No,definitely. I
mean, that's how I always feel.
But I did hear like, I saw thatcomic in like the top 10s of
almost everybody for last year.

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So I don't know. It lookedintriguing. But yeah, if you
don't have like, 100 years worthof history, I feel like you're
just pretty lost. I'm like,Where's Wolverine?
Have you seen that over here?
Oh, yes. So we've been talking alot about one division and
Marvel and I, there was a showthat had kind of passed me by

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and so I went ahead and justdipped myself into the The first
two episodes of it, which wasAgents of SHIELD.
So when does that get good?
Isn't it like into season? Two?
Yes.
Yeah. Well, the first episode isactually pretty strong. Yeah.
And I just I had no idea that itI guess I think I knew at some

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point but Fred forgotten that ithas the Weeden esque pneus to
it, because it's got jaws on thefirst one, and then shed on the
rest. So there was a lot morefun to it than I expected. And I
enjoyed that it had some darktwists and turns. But then like
the second episode, it alreadystarted to get pretty near you

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could almost skip.
Well, I mean, oh, no, becauseremember, we're talking like 22
episodes a season or something.
Yeah. So the problem is, there'sso much that happens with and
there's a certain people yeah,it pays off towards the end of
that first season. Yeah, yeah,there's
a couple twists. You say darktwist. It's got a dark, dark

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twist. That is really good.
Right. But it takes a bit. Yeah,I you know, I always need
something on in the background.
So it can be my background showfor a
really good for that until Yeah,it's good.
Yes, exactly. And then I'llcare.
Yeah. It has some shockingly badepisodes in that first season.

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Well, I, I look forward tohearing what you think. Yeah,
the problem is, like Season Twohas a couple episodes that are
shaky and everything. But thenit like, starts getting really
good, right about the time thatits ratings just tanked. Right.
And so they were, you know,trying to figure out how to wrap
everything up, and they do somereally cool stuff in the last

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two seasons. Oh, yeah.
last season's really good. Yeah.
I mean, it's, I feel like I'mkind of every once while I'm
like, What do I watch right now?
I need to be I need something.
So um, yeah, so that seems likea good thing to dive into.
We'll see if that's good.
Well, I've watched somethingvery, very different from the

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two things if you're talkingfairly new film just came out.
promising young woman?
Oh, yeah, I'd heard about this.
Watch it.
Yeah. It'sa form of a rape revenge story.
Okay. With that, it, but itstarts totally different. It's

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not like she gets attacked andgoes on a quest thing. It's,
it's a very different take onit. And what's your name? The
Carey Mulligan is phenomenal. Inthe lead. She's one of the
better parts of the movie. Orthe best part of the movie,

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which is good because she's thelead. And it's some it's pretty
good. It's a goes places Iwasn't expecting, which was very
nice. It's by signing up forlike Golden Globes and stuff
like that. So apparently, peopleare liking it. I thought it came
out this year, though. So Iguess I maybe did some
qualifying run. Like, hey, weshowed in one theater.

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I didn't say I like I thought Ijust started streaming or
something.
Where's Yes. Is this on prime?
This is? Yeah,no. Well, it's not probably one
of the in theater kind ofrentals. So it's like a $20
rental. Yeah, but I wassurprised by it, I thought is
just incredibly well done.
Oh, that's awesome. I amdefinitely gonna check that out.

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Tell me this.
It feels a little bit like ahomework movie. No. Okay. It is.
There are aspects I could seewhere people would go like the
black Christmas one I talkedabout, where it has kind of
those ideas, but they arepresented incredibly well. And
they're not. Hey, look at this.
I can see here this idea to getthis. But it's far more about

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what she is going through. Andit's just well executed. It's
just a really solid film thatfeels like it should be a
message movie, but really isn't.
Yeah, Ithink that was my biggest fear.
I was not that it's like bad towatch message movies. It's just

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exhausting. And after the youknow, year we've had it's just
really hard to be like yeah,today I want to watch something
that's really harrowing andgoing to take me on a emotional
and very lead journey.
So I might do that.
Like that. But you know, likewe're in it's like almost like a

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moralistic tale. It can be alittle bit.
I don't know. I saw a messagemovie and Vanessa, you are the
one who gonna showcase this forme. skyfire Yes.
What is the message?
messages? This movie is a pieceof shit.

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Oh no, you really hated it.
I didn't hate it. But it wasbad.
It's bad.
ridiculously I enjoyed it. Ienjoyed it a lot.
Yeah, I mean, it was. I'll saythis it was 10 times better than
Greenland. Yes.

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I wouldn't say it's like, Imean, I wouldn't say it's
phenomenal. But it was what Iwanted. right then. I wanted
just Jason Isaacs trying toconvince a bunch of people that
volcano is fine.
It's, it's such a ridiculouspremise. Kind of hard to get
behind now. Now Jurassic World,you could kind of believe that

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because it's like, wow, themajesty of these creatures is of
course, you're gonna bring abunch of people here. This is a
a vacation resort. inside of avolcano.
Yeah. It's like it's very muchsold to, you know, like high
end, like watch buyers. AndI'm thinking to myself, who

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would ever come to this? Thisplace is packed by the way
extremists.
And people who love to bungeejump as he pointed out to us.
Those people yeah,yeah, yeah. No,
I think I'm, I think I'm good.
We'll go for two out of three.
I've seen sky pleasant. Skyfall.
Sky fires. James Bond.

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Not to be confused with me now.
It's bad. I just yeah, I foundit extremely enjoyable. But
again, you know, your timetravel is my disaster. You know,
I don't know what has to happen.
Last crack at synchronic.
Finally, you geostormI gotta see that.

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I don't know that you should.
Now. It's not.
It's better or worse than, sayskyfire.
I mean, it's, it's less fun. Butit's more accurate. But not.
It's more like I'm science andwe care about science, versus
God's fires, like, science isreally pretty secondary. It's

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all just a facade. It's like apiece of clothing we try on,
if I recall correctly, thepremise of geostorm is that
there's so many storms comingtogether that it's like a geo
star. Well, they're the entireworld, right?
There's a suit. Well, there's apiece of tech in the sky that
now controls all storms. Becausein all the weather, because we

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are at such a point where we'velike destroyed our weathering
systems. So we're now relyingupon this like network of
crafts, like satellites to keepus in check. And somebody takes
control. No boy.
Yeah, this sounds stupider thanSkype. Yeah, I

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don't think you're gonnado buildings get knocked down
and shit like that. Oh,absolutely. Okay, then I'll
probably like it.
Yeah, no, no. Because whilethis skyfire was so silly at one
point there, tram, leaves leavesthe rail, slides down a, a
mountain side, and it's justpicking up speed and picking up

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speed. And these people on theroad below it realize, oh, if we
don't stop them, they're goingoff the edge. And so this tram,
which is the size of a city bushas got to be rocketing down
that mountain at about 50 milesan hour. And the car comes stops
and it t bones them and juststops right there. and
beautiful. Everybody is okay.

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It's beautiful. I mean, I'm onthe leaping out of one tram and
trying to jump into the otherwithout hitting a poll.
I did like the guy who got hitby the poll that was pretty
good. Yeah.
A lot of stuff a stupid it'sunbelievably stupid. But
and and you are not lying. Ipopped myself some popcorn. I

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sat down, I was done with mypopcorn. By the time all of the
production company logos. Theremust have been 50 companies
involved.
Everyone in China was reallyinto this film. They're like, I
will put my money in this. Yes,I'm sure it's a huge success.
Well, I hope so. Can't wait forskyfire to

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Absolutely. Um, well, I watchedan older film that was
recommended to me that I had notseen and hadn't literally no
idea existed. And that's avirtuosity.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Russelland Russell Russell as a raving
shirtless madman who is also alike sentience graphic and I

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think so. 3d printed manpretty sure I did.
It was a really good,it's not too bad.
It's really, it's really fun andDenzel. I was like, I don't
know, everybody was playingagainst the type I'm used to
seeing them in. And so like justseeing even seeing Denzel and

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dreads I was like, you'remajestic, sir. Yes, dreads more
Dresden's? The whole Yeah. Andwatching Russell Crowe just be
like, fucking in sane and eviland having a great time. And
yeah, it was. It was good. Itwas really fun.
I remember liking that. Yeah,that was before either of them

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were who they were gonna be.
Yeah, that's, that's kind of theimpression I was getting was
that neither one of those peoplewould ever agree to be in his
phone now ever? No way.
Definitely not. Russell needs tohe just wants to keep singing.
There's some really fun ideas inthat.

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I saw another one. Is it 2021but I saw it like last week. So
I wasn't part of your 20 dayswasn't it might have been. It
might have made my mentionsthough, if I would have made the
left but a bloody hell.
not heard of it at all. I haveheard of this. And I keep
waffling back and forth onwhether I want to watch it.
It's pretty fun. Okay, so guy,innocent bystandard in a bank

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robbery. But he captures one ofthe guns and ends up taking out
most of the bank robbers andaccidentally killing by
standard. And since he's not acop, he goes to jail for like
eight years or something. Whenhe comes back, he's kind of a
world famous. He became like atabloid story. And so he's
dealing with all of that besidesto go on a vacation. His

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vacation, he gets kidnapped by agroup of accountable family
basically. Oh, that'sunfortunate. I am in the
basement and things proceed fromthere. And it is in key house.
One of the key fun parts of thefilm is he's got his his
subconscious is portrayed as areal person. So it's, I mean,

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it's him it's the same actordoing both. So he's back and
forth, playing off of himself,which is a lot of fun. And it's
just damn fun movie a lot ofkind of gruesome kind of nasty,
some ridiculously way over thetop stupid shit. That is not bad

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kind of stupid shit, but okay,that is a lot of fun to see this
ridiculousness happen. And it'sI think it's shutter, or prime
or Somalis? Okay.
It's definitely worth checkingout and just thought it was a
lot of fun.

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I mean, the premise soundsrough. So I'm glad that it's I
don't know that soundsinteresting. The way you are
saying it's fun.
There's, there's some brutalviolence in it somewhat, but
it's not it's more akin to likethe guest maybe or something
like that, where they'refighting violence as opposed to

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it's not torture porn oranything like that. Okay.
Very cool. Would you say thatit's approached as kind of
comedic ornot quite comedic, but the guy
is funny. Okay. The interactionshe has with himself are done
with a real tongue in cheek.
Yeah, goofiness.

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I think that's that would sellme on it. Like that idea of
talking to yourself. Soundspretty great.
It's pretty fun.
Oh, cool. I'm putting that onthe list. Alright guys, how
about we take a little break.
And when we come back, we cantalk about unrequited love.
It's gonna be sad episode.
No one gets what they want.

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We have returned. And you guysthis was my sub genre pick. Yes
it was so I'm gonna go first. Ipicked a fucking winner you get

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I'm kind of shocked from 1989The Phantom of the Opera
sums stories have so great apower that with each new
generation, they are rebornthe work of an artist

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will make use of the worldfeel free to go away

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Phantom of the Opera the alltime. Classic Phantom is real.
It has a name is now a majormotion picture is in your house.

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Robert England isthe Phantom of the Opera.

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Who's the music by?
Interesting you should ask.
Budget I could not find anyinformation on this had a box
office of about $4 millionRotten Tomato critics have it at
a 38% the audience has it at 53%this was directed by Dwight h
Liddell, who directed Halloweenfor which is probably one of the

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best of the Halloween sequelsmarked for death and rapid fire
with Brandon Lee. And Free Willyto excellent. Everybody should
direct at least one free willingmovie.
I don't think there's enoughfree willing movies for

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everybody to do that.
I think there could bounds onhow you define Willie. No, no,
no, orcas Orca is only inthat case of directed a couple
of y'all.
Hey, you guys, this was writtenby Duke sand. Who wrote the
film's neck or not ghost townand dark justice. based of

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course on the novel by guests onthe row. Got an interesting side
credit to this is a DukeSandford wrote this based on a
screenplay by Jerry O'Hara,which I will get into.
But a lot of names for propertywe know so love and love so
well.
Well, especially when the creditcomes up, written by Duke

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sandefur. And then followed bybased on a screenplay by Jerry
O'Hara, how and when you'rewatching a movie. You're like,
Well, why didn't they just usethe screenplay?
How many layers you gotta go,guys? Well,
we'll get into that. This starsRobert England. You would know
from dead and buried galaxy ofterror and the adventures of

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Ford Fairlane. Oh yeah, that'smy favorite. Gil Shaolin. Who is
in the stepfather who was inpopcorn, and who was in when a
stranger calls back.
And, and, okay,there's one more. Alex hideway.
enough to tell you about that.

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Yeah.
Roger Corman's fantastic forBattlestar Galactica, Captain
America to death to soon. Thatwas the 1979 TV movie. This also
has, in her very first role,Molly Shannon. from Saturday
Night Live Wet Hot AmericanSummer and Talladega Nights and

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is just a comedy genius, and avery young looking Bill Nighy
who is in every film we love.
Oh, that's crazy. You guys, thismovie is fucking great. It's
super fucking cool. And it'sweirder than shit. So it starts
in present day Manhattan and wemeet Christine day, a young
hopeful opera singer. Sheauditions for a part in this

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very old theater, and a sandbagfalls from the rafters, knocking
her unconscious and shattering amirror deal. Following Sam Bay,
Gehrig, am I right?
The old man issue.
She wakes up in London at 95.
Wow. All right, we are nowwearing opera clothing. And she

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turns out to be the understudyto the diva laka Lata who is
both jealous and resentful ofChristine skill. Wow. So she
just kind of wakes up into thispast life.
Wow.
She there's there's no mentionof this stuff that happened in

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present day Manhattan oranything like that. And we just
go on to the very typicalPhantom of the Opera story. And
it's really kind of at first itwas kind of jarring. I was like,
oh, okay, she's gonna go back intime now and everything. She's
got to figure out how to getback to her time. But she's got
zero memory of this. She juststarts her life off where this

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film starts off. And it waslike, oh, okay, well, I wonder
how that's gonna come back. Shecan sing. She can sing like
nobody's been nice. Excellent.
So she wakes up basically on thefloor of the old theater and
this sandbag and mirror hadhappened at that time, too. And

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so she's like, oh, andeveryone's Oh, you Okay,
Christine? And while they'remessing with her during this up
in the rafters above is Eric arethe Phantom who is Robert
England. And he is threatening astagehand up there who is, you

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know, hood, fucked up and dropthat sandbag. So we know who
Robert England is. And we knowwhat he looks like. And this is
clearly him, but he's made up tolook very different than just
his face. And he doesn't havethe horrible scarred face of the
Phantom. So it's like, oh, whatis going on here? But he is

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clearly the Phantom. Thestagehand knows who he is, and
is terrified of him. And ofcourse, he ends up killing that
guy.
Sure. Yeah.
I mean, that's what stagehandsare for.
So from there follows veryclosely the story of the Phantom
of the Opera. If you've seen themovie or the musical, or the
movie of the musical, then youknow that Christine has been

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taking secret private singinglegends, lessons from someone
she refers to as an angel sentby her deceased father. And he's
basically been grooming her totake over parellada position in
the theatre company. And toensure this, the Phantom scares
Carlotta to the point of herscreaming so loudly that she

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screws up her voice and can'tsing that night. And so her
understudy has to come in. Andthe way he does this is he takes
that stagehand and skins him,ah, and puts her puts him in her
closet, and he's still alive.
When she opens the closet. He'sall strung up, and he's like,

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scared, so now you know why shewas screaming? Oh, my
God. Oh, that's awful.
Yeah. So that night, he'ssitting in his private booth
that they reserved for thePhantom of the Opera Hall. And
the company is doing aproduction of Faust, and as he

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watches, Now, keep in mind, Hisface is not scarred or anything
like the Phantom as he watches.
He then has a flashback memoryto him as a young musician, and
writer of music, and he makes adeal with the devil, of course.
So this has suddenly takes avery supernatural twist. And he

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reminisces about a time decadesago when he sold his own soul to
the devil in exchange for peopleloving him for his music. But
the devil, being a real dickSure, grants his wish, but then
disfigures his face to the pointof you know, horrific scarring
and all this stuff. In fact, helooks quite a bit like Freddy

(34:17):
Krueger. Yeah. And he tells himthat people will love his music,
but nothing else about him.
Yeah. So we are then shown thatinstead of making or wearing the
classic mask that the Phantomwould wear, he kills people and

(34:39):
skins their faces off and thensews new face masks for himself.
Yes, it's it's pretty gruesome.
So So, all of a sudden, I'm justlike, well, this got weird and
supernatural and I kind of lovethe idea of this. So continues
to follow the basic story withan old love of Christine's

(35:02):
showing up and wanting to knowmore about her Angel. And the
Phantom going off and killing areviewer who gave her a bad
review on her first nightthough, at this point, the
Phantom basically kidnaps her,as we all know, and takes her to
his underground lair, and heoffers her musical immortality
and the chance to be his bride,which he basically accepts. But

(35:23):
it's very obvious is becausehe's terrified of him. Sure.
I mean, that's how all marriageproposals work really,
right. There's nothing herethat's particularly new, or
anything like that. I mean, itdoes actually follow the very

(35:44):
basic story of the Phantom ofthe Opera. And there's climactic
third act with the police andChristine's former lover,
finally trapping the Phantom inhis lair. But he kills the
Phantom kills the old lover.
Wow, and the police officer. Andthen she's forced to kind of
save herself, which is a nicetouch, a little different. So

(36:04):
she sets the place on fire. Andin doing so she smashes this
gigantic mirror and wakes up inpresent day Manhattan after that
mirror had broken.
Well, convenientthis year. Remember, as she
vanishes, she hears Eric's voicethe Phantom screaming her name,
Chris.

(36:30):
Why did I hear that PaulStanley's twice?
That should have been GeneSimmons voice. Have you heard
it?
Just so people? Oh,I thought you were going
Christine 16. Oh,it's pretty excellent. Kelly and
Kelly made a very good handgesture. That was a big Oh,
great. So different handgestures in

(36:58):
appropriate, so she wakes up andthe the secret of producer of
this theater that that therethis new production comes
rushing up. And it is the RobertEngland that we know. Oh, and he
is oh my goodness. Whathappened? I'm so sorry. And
that's okay. It's okay. I'msorry. I screwed everything up.

(37:19):
And he's like, you didn't justscrew things up. You've got the
part, just one way.
And he says, Hey, why don't youcome with me? And we're going to
have drinks with the investorsand show you off? And she's
like, Yes, indeed. So on, theygo back to his apartment and he

(37:40):
pours them drinks andeverything. He goes upstairs to
change. And as he's looking inthe mirror, he finds a blemish
on his skin. And he's like, whatis this and he starts peeling
away at it. And we realized, ah,this is still the same fucking
Phantom. Of course it is. Hesupernaturally can last forever.
And he he slides open this superfuturistic little case and it's
just got a bunch of skin facesthat that look like they've been

(38:05):
you know, cryogenically keptwhen he goes to put that on. So
this is almost the end of themovie and I won't tell you how
the actual end of the moviegoes, except that I loved it. I
loved I loved everything aboutit. Right. Oh, man. So, a little
bit of trivia. Let's get rightto that weird screenplay based

(38:27):
on a screenplay.
Yeah.
So the script was originallywritten by Jerry O'Hara for
Canon films and was set to bedirected by john Whoa, who
directed twins have evil, thelegend of hell house and the
watcher in the woods. So kind ofa, you know a cool gothic horror
thing. O'Hara's version of thescreenplay did not feature any

(38:50):
present day segments and was setentirely in 1881 England.
However, after canon filed forbankruptcy, the film was passed
on to 21st century FilmCorporation, which was Menachem
Golden's film after Golan Globusyou know split up 21st century
planned even before they madethis film on a sequel to this

(39:17):
film, called Phantom of theOpera to terror in Manhattan, in
the present day, Manhattan Oh mygod. So television right a Duke
sandefur was hired to addbookend segments set in present
day Manhattan to O'Hara scriptso that the film would tie into

(39:37):
its proposed sequel. Ultimately,the sequel was not made, but the
bookend segments remain in thefilm. How kind of crazy
yeah, I mean, like as somebodywho is obsessed with the
soundtrack of this through allof high school, and like
religiously, listen to it. Thisis fascinating.
Well, and also it made me wonderhe had to have done Some other

(40:01):
significant changes to be listedas the main writer instead of
just you know, screenplay byJerry O'Hara and Duke sandefur.
So as a fan of the Broadwayproduction, as I am as well, the
original music here is writtenfor the film by Misha Segal also

(40:24):
known for the soundtrack to thenew adventures of Pippi
Longstocking. Sure. And it was a1989 Brit for best soundtrack.
And it's really fucking good.
And it's really fuckingderivative of
songs but like slightlydifferent. No, because
they're, they have a feel thatif you are a fan of the musical,

(40:48):
you would be like, Oh, this isgood stuff. It doesn't sound
really anything like it, but itkind of does it sound alike.
Or it brings to mind that music,which is very interesting,
because the final credit on thescreen, this motion picture is
not associated with any currentor prior stage play or motion

(41:10):
picture of the same title. 1989Phantom, what did that come out?
86 Yeah, it was big still.
So yeah, yeah, I gotta say, Ilove this. I don't understand
the super low critic rating inless. It's just because it's

(41:31):
kind of gory.
That would probably be a lot forlike a kind of mainstreaming
concept film. Like taking abeloved property and then making
it a little bit rough.
Yeah, it's a really interestingdirection for for Robert England

(41:51):
to take. Yeah. So I just really,really enjoyed it. Like I said,
the music. Don't take my wordfor it. It got a Brit for best
soundtrack. 89 that's, that'snot.
That's not for a movie that didnothing. Right? No, so flat.
Yeah, let's, uh, yep. I've hadseveral of the songs bouncing
back and forth. And my dadwatching this. It's been his

(42:13):
favorite. Musical. I think I'veseen it live like five times.
Yeah. It's spectacular.
Yeah. And it was just a massiveflop to I think it killed 21st
century.
Wow.
Well, I'm thinking Gosh, I Ichose a film that is kind of a

(42:35):
personal favorite of mine. Icame across a couple years ago
and just adore it. That is 1989cutting class
was just another ordinary dulland boring semester at borley.
High attention faculty andstudents. This is Mr. Dante your

(42:57):
principal. The classrooms werein disorder.
As of today, you're suspended.
relationships were impossible.
And the teachers were in butthis year was going to be

(43:20):
different. I was going to teachthem that. No one ever.
By the way, Frankenstein staringat you.
Every day was in the hospitalevery single day. How could they

(43:40):
do that to one like I really do.
The Paula. alone. Try.
What is this? survival class?

(44:12):
Please, everyonestay calm. Kids are missing. A
teacher is missing. We stay calmand we'll all be dead how to
understand English.
Was it a teenager in distress ora murderer in disguise. Jonathan

(44:52):
fields cholan Brad Pitt, RoddyMcDowell and Mark Mo. You don't
die.
Die.

(45:14):
Cutting class.
School is closed.
So my phone, I feel like there'ssomething in common with mine
and I just can't put my fingeron it.
I just I, there's a couplethings actually
a couple. I mean, I mean, Idon't know, I have an actress

(45:35):
who I will get there.
The Rotten Tomatoes for cuttingclass is 25% critics, which is
really low. But I will say therewere only eight people who
reviewed it. So those eightpeople just had a bee in their
bonnet. However 22% audience andthat had 2500

(45:57):
they agreed with those AP.
Right on board. The budget isquestion mark. I have no idea
could not find out. The directoris Roscoe Pelham Berg from
England. He wrote Excalibur?
Nope. I wrote exorcise to theheretic last night and was
creative associate ondeliverance.

(46:21):
He's only associate No, no,that's not how a pig squeals
let me let me guess let me letme stand in for the Petcare.
Okay, hold on. So he's onlydirected two titles, which is
also exercise two and cuttingclass. So not not a lot of
directing. But the writer isSteve Slotkin, who is the

(46:45):
creative hand and heavilyinvolved in every way shape and
form with salute your shorts.
Which explains so much aboutthis movie. It's unreal. As soon
as I saw that, I was like, yeah,it is like a really put together
like fun teen ridiculous film.

(47:05):
Yes, that'll come together now.
He's also also produced andvoiced Dr. Kahn's voice. Oh,
yes. Okay. That's part of saluteyour shorts. And he also was
part of Power Rangers NinjaStorm running in the halls and
USA. Hi, as a producer, well,the people who are in this
movie, it's got a couple ofreally interesting names behind

(47:29):
it. So our maybe maybe not crazyvillain guy. Hard to tell is
Brian woods, who's 30 he's beenin 34 things. He's English for
an actor and documentary maker,member of boy band camp Freddy,
and founding member of Neo glamgroup. Nancy boy. He's the son

(47:49):
of pop singer, Donovan Leitch.
Oh, she'sHe also played Paul Taylor in
the blob. He was in glory asCharles Fessenden. I haven't
seen Gloria zona. He was also inI shot Andy Warhol, and recently
in birds of prey TV series asMalcolm.

(48:16):
Recently 20 years ago,I don't know I put down
recently. I'm not sure is therea more recent birds of prey TV
show?
Film can't be recent either.
Right? I mean, it said TV nine.
So yeah,yeah, I don't know. He was also
in 2008. Dark Knight uncredited.

(48:40):
And he was on one episode of Sexin the City. So yeah. We have a
secondary and male lead in thisfilm. Little little known actor.
I think you know what, he's gotsome he's got some good in him.
Dwight is played by Brad Pitt.
This guy has been in like 81things, I guess. 60 producing

(49:02):
credits, so he's been around.
You might remember him as vanUsher and Deadpool two. He
voiced will the krill and happyfeet to and he was in one
episode of Tales from the Cryptwhere he played Billy in King of
the road. He was also in oneepisode of Freddy's nightmare TV

(49:25):
series and one episode of 21Jump Street. He also let's not
forget, played partygoer andpreppy kid at fight uncredited
in less than zero. Sure, yeah.
So you know like he's got he'sbeen a lot but I don't know that
you've heard of them anyold man Pitts boy.

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And last but not least,actually, there's a big cast in
this but I don't want to gothrough too many of them. The
the love interest in this moviethough. The the girl that
Everyone's fighting for is thecharacter polyp played by Jill
showman. She played Christine insome movie. She was also Mary

(50:14):
Piper and boys and Toyin Julianwhen a stranger calls back she
was in popcorn and one episodeof TJ hooker. There you go. She
was also in one episode of mercyrow. Everybody's in like one
episode or something.
Never heard of her.
We also have Roddy McDowell, andthis movie, he plays a Mr. Dante
it's a really unfortunate role,and I'll get more into that

(50:36):
later. So this movie is it'sdefinitely a hidden gem. I think
it's a vinegar syndrome release.
Is it shopfactory?
I saw it today for some reason.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Also, vinegar syndrome doesn'trelease good movies.
Why? No, I mean, but sometimesevery once in a while, it's
like, Hey, wait a minute. Imean, I own it. And it's

(50:59):
amazing. So the story follows.
We open with a newspaper,newspaper boy delivering papers
to the same houses over and overand over again, because this is
low budget. The paper spins overand you see it reads boy who
killed father released. So we'restarting off with some kind of
kid who went to prison forkilling his father's now going

(51:22):
back into high school. One ofthe papers falls at the feet of
the very well known andimportant district attorney. He
just keeps being referred to asyou're just such an important
guide district attorney. He'sfully retired in some hunting
gear and his daughter, snatchesthe paper away from him and

(51:43):
tells him he can't read itbecause he'll just find no
reason not to go on his two weekhunting trip, of which he is
apparently a very bad Hunter.
Before the father goes, he tellsPaula his daughter, that there
are just three rules while he'sgone. Do your homework. No boys
in the house, and no cuttingclass.

(52:08):
Barry shoehorned in moment Oh,dang. And I was hoping that when
he said that the title flashedacross the screen.
Fortunately, the title startedup ahead. I wish it had
happened, right. But that'sokay. You know, it's it's, it
tries that's what matters. So,Paul is an average teenage girl
who's working really hard tryingto get good grades, also has a

(52:28):
hunky hunky boyfriend white, akaBrad Pitt, though, she does
start to make eyes at the newkid who happens to be the one
who had the schizophrenicbreakdown and resulted in him
cutting the breaks of hisfather's car and murdering him
and going to a mental asylum.
And already kind of having like,you know, moments together where

(52:50):
there's, there seems to be somekind of unspoken chemistry. He
buys her a hot dog and she'slike, How did you know? You
said, you just had that look onyour face.
I will interrupt because I mustshow that I was full of shit.
Oh, it is vinegar syndrome.
Oh, hey, shit. Yeah,I wasn't crazy. Well, when I

(53:11):
said, Really? Then I forgot thatit was 22%. So yeah, not at all.
I'm going to say I enjoy thismovie. And it I do think is a
hidden gem. But we'll get intothat more later. So Dwight, her
boyfriend is a super popularathlete, surprise, surprise,
blonde, gorgeous. And he looksdown on Brian who actually used

(53:35):
to once be his best friend. Hesees that Brian clearly has the
thing for Paula and he juststarts to torment him with no
end first by. They're in gymtogether. And he just starts
spinning this rope that Brian isclimbing up until Brian falls
over. And of course the gymteacher misses the whole thing
and walks up to him. We wereworried. frickin messing around

(53:56):
kid. Give me a zillion push upsright now. So it's really one of
those kids versus authorityfilms where it just comes up
again and again. Again, all theteachers are crazy assholes. So
the odd things start to happenfirst with Paula's father who's
out on his hunting trip whensuddenly an arrow appears out of

(54:19):
nowhere pointed right at him anddunk right in the chest.
Oh, well, he gets killedfalls straight over the head
first into the pond. Oh, cutaway back to the school. So
Meanwhile, at school, we seelike Brian's really having a
hard time fitting in. Meanwhile,Paula has some really weird

(54:39):
interactions with variousteachers. She's a model for one
of the for the art class andDwight's like, please, I don't
want you to go. I feel reallyuncomfortable with you being in
this class. I'm like what'shappening? And she's like, No,
no, okay, it's fine. I'm doingit and she walks in. to high
school arts class and startstaking off her clothes.

(55:05):
Like teachers, like get out ofyour dwarves.
Like immediately is like,Alright, so today's class we're
gonna do the forum where we'regoing to look at this muscle
group, bend over girl, and hasher immediately bend over and
everyone starts to draw her ass.
It's so creepy. It's really Imean, she's she's in a like

(55:31):
leotard so she's not nude, butit's still completely upsetting.
And there's a lot of touchinglike a lot of the teachers, the
principal, also played by Mr.
McDowell, Macau. Macau at asksher to come into his like

(55:55):
office, because he has a giftfor her, but it's on the floor.
So she needs to bend over to getit. And of course, she's wearing
a very short skirt, and shebends over and we all get to see
her underwear as well as him.
And he's kind of very obviouslyleaning and looking like very
pleased with himself about this.
And she has gotten a schooluniform. Sorry, a new

(56:18):
cheerleading uniform he haspitched in to get them all new
cheerleading uniforms. And sheis just thrilled. Oh my God,
thank you. And he's like, Well,why don't you go ahead and try
it on now. I'll turn my back.
And she's like, No, no, you'regonna see muted tomorrow, Silly
Billy leaves. So well, all thisweirdness is going on. People

(56:40):
start to kind of turn up dead invarious places, of course. So
I'm the art teacher falls into akilm thing, a room that's like a
heated kiln, and it goes up to500 degrees. Then we hear him
screaming. So he's baked. Wehave a couple of students who

(57:05):
get pulled like underneath somebleachers during a game and
they're their throats are cut.
There's some really interestingdeaths going on the vice
principal who gives variousstudents that we are hanging out
with some shit. She gets killedby photocopier where her head is
just slammed again and again onthis photo copier as it makes

(57:27):
copies of course of her styling.
So of course, now everyone'saflutter who is behind these
murders. And everyone's specsthat has got to be Brian,
because he's the crazyschizophrenic weirdo, who's just
come out of prison. He's veryLeary's only word worn one
outfit this whole time. He's inalmost every scene hiding behind

(57:47):
something. I'll get into thatlist later. It's very extensive.
But to white, his ring was seenin the photocopier printouts. So
maybe, or it could also be thecrazy janitor.

(58:09):
Feel like you didn't mention thecase. Janet glossed over.
I didn't really get to him. Yes,Kris Jenner, who's just always
like yelling at the kids and belike, I'm going to teach you a
lesson on things like, I'm goingto teach you oh my gosh, if I
can, if I can quickly find thisquote, you guys. It is

(58:30):
absolutely wonderful.
And about how long it takes Ican make it seem like it was
quickly.
He says, there is there's a timefor real manners. And I'm gonna,
I'm gonna teach you show youshow to say please, and thank
you. I'm the only teacher thatyou'll remember. I'm the
custodian of your fuckingdestiny. And then they say that

(58:54):
man is fried. I just love thatline. The custodian of your
fucking destiny.
That seems just a little tooclever. For a custodian.
Oh, yes. I mean, everything hesays is either gibberish or like
completely stellar lines thatjust make no sense. Um, yes. So

(59:14):
we now have a team up right soBrian teams up with Paula to
avoid Dwight who clearly is thereal killer. They're running
around the high school likehiding away. He's gained her
trust he like broke into herhouse and like she was like, Oh
my god, you're gonna kill me,aren't you? And Brian's like,
No, no, I'm not crazy. And hereand he's holding scissors. He's

(59:37):
like, you take this and you stabme. If you think if you think
I'm the one who did this, youstab me right now. And she's
like, I know. She's like, Ican't and then of course now
they're BFFs so they're runningaround the school together.
Meanwhile, Dwight is back on aSaturday to gym class. Because
he did not show it to gym class.
in uniform or in whatever Do youcall that gear gym gear gym

(01:00:00):
clothes. And so the gym teacherwho's a dick, as we established
is like I'm going to fail youunless you come back on Saturday
and do some gym needs. So Iguess they're there. And they
have a big fight at each otherand it results in Dwight
throwing his gym bag veryangrily at a trampoline and it
kind of trampolines onto thetrampoline and back off again.

(01:00:24):
And then he grabs it and goes tothe boys locker room. And of
course, then the gym teachergets up onto the trampoline. And
while he's waiting for to waitto come out, starts trampolining
around like middle heavy guy.
And it's just like doingbackflips and horror flips and

(01:00:44):
on his belly, and then we go toPOV American flag, which is
underneath the trampoline that'svery sharp, large American flag.
weaseled its way underneath, youknow, wiggles back and forth and
then boop. In our Coach's Eye,shish kebab. So obviously Dwight

(01:01:06):
did that. Meanwhile, like Isaid, Brian and Paula are
running around school trying tofind white trying to warn
everybody that he is the killer,when all of a sudden, Brian x is
the math teacher in the face.
Surpriseand vinegar syndrome makes more
sense now.

(01:01:28):
It really switches gears prettyquickly on you.
Oh, andthen she's running obviously now
from Berlin who the guy who'screepy and creepy and super
creepy. The whole time was thecreepy one.
It's beautiful twist.
I love it. I love that they letus off for so fun, but pretty

(01:01:49):
poorly. Anyway. So of courseDwight jumps in he saves her
there ends up being this big oldfight out in the shop costs.
We're literally Brian, likepresses like two buttons. And
every single machine in the shopclass turns on and a fog

(01:02:10):
machine. Like I don't know thatall shop classes come with fog
machines. Boy Howdy.
It's a dance party.
It's there. They get into theykind of end up duking it out
with some standards. Until Brianputs Dwight's head in a vise
much like my last home that Italked about. Unless Paulo will

(01:02:31):
love him. So Paula promises shewill and they start to make out
while I'm while Dwight's head isin this thing, and they're
kissing and she goes,just close your eyes. And he
goes,he starts to close on me opens
up he said, I don't trust you.
I'm not gonna close my eyes. Andshe's like, if you believe that,

(01:02:51):
I love you.
I promise I'll never hurt you.
Okay,closes his eyes, hammer through
head pushed into saw. Verybeautiful, very good. It has a
nice kind of continuous endingwith Paul's father showing up.

(01:03:16):
Yes, yes. After getting shot inthe chest.
And after not being rescued bydogs. And after almost being I
believe hit by a car. There's awhole journey that this man goes
on throughout the film.
Is this a comedy?
It really is.
Is this supposed to be?

(01:03:37):
Yes, it really is.
That's what's good about thisfilm. So okay, for example, the
things that Brian hides behindin this in this movie. All
right, he hides behind duringart class, a statue, the statue
falls falls over. It's a womanwith breasts. He grabs the
breasts and holds on to andtries to continue to hide it

(01:03:58):
before he gets kicked out of theclass by the art teacher. He
hides behind a trophy case let'ssee through. He hides behind
some chairs. He hides behind anopen car glass window, where
he's just standing there staringat some people in the car, and
then kind of shuffles his bodydown below the door. He hides in

(01:04:22):
a garbage bin and he hidesbehind and this is my favorite.
Oh, water cooler as somebodygoes and gets water. Yup, this
waste. It's kind of magnifiedbehind it. It's so good. The
music I don't knowif that's the right word.
It's so knowing the bad. Itknows exactly what it is. And

(01:04:47):
that's my favorite thing aboutthis phone it it leans into
itself super hard. It'sincredibly low budget. It's
really stupid, but it knows it'sstupid and there are just some
great moments in it. There'ssome really good dialogue
There's some great depthsthroughout completely insane
lines and obvious villain that Ijust can never get over that he

(01:05:09):
is, in fact the villain.
There's our twist. There is notwist.
There's this ever going sagawith the dad that they just keep
coming back to it feels a lotlike better off dead. It's just
this joke that just keepshappening. Um, the music knows
where it's at too. It's reallyfun music including like when

(01:05:29):
that flagpole death happens. Itgoes into this like patriotic
anthem. So beautiful. Um, butthere definitely are bad things.
And I want to make sure thatpeople understand this. It is
God problems. It is a vinegarsyndrome title. The leering
teachers, it's incrediblyuncomfortable. They never
address that this is super,super bad. And they do play into

(01:05:53):
the sexiness of the moment. It'sreally frustrating and seeing
her underwear multiple timeswith her bending over was rough.
The I'll be the judge.
Yeah, that's kind of that's kindof what happens.
Theother frustrating thing is the
moral of the story is one senseiand always insane. So pretty

(01:06:14):
damning on anyone who has likemental illness. It's like, Oh,
well, of course, you're crazy,and you'll never be better.
There's a lot of bullying that Imean, the bully wins,
ultimately, and he's the goodguy. The principal never dies
and really should have becausehe's horrifying. That also the

(01:06:34):
principal and the art teacherlook identical. So when the art
teacher dies, Don't be shockedwhen the principal shows up. And
you're like, wait, I thought youdid know they just are both
older white men with white hairwho are about the same age
height and build the girlsunfortunately in this movie are
leading ladies of is super bad.

(01:06:58):
She's not a good actress.
However, I would say Brad Pittis actually super good. And a
lot of this film as you know,there's definitely a lot of
poorly executed stuff. It feelspretty rushed through some of
it. But yeah, just a couple ofsmall pieces of trivia shot in
four weeks. Gil Shaolin did notwant to do this film. She

(01:07:18):
actually turned it down severaltimes. But because she didn't
like the script at all, however,her agents convinced her it
would be a smart career move,because Roscoe Helen Berg was an
acclaimed writer, so yourshorts, and this would be his
director debut. She mostly tookthe part up because Ronnie

(01:07:38):
McDowell and Martin mole, werein it and she admired. Jill
said, Helen Berg, the directorwas nice, but a pain to work
with. He would do line readingsthat hurt, which Yeah, it's
very, very much a No, no. Theproducer Rudy Cohen didn't care
for the casting of Brad Pitt. Sothe tractor Roscoe Pelham Berg

(01:07:59):
found for young women who allsaid it was gorgeous, in order
to convince Cohen that thecasting of Pitt was correct.
How long did that take him aboutas long as it took him to find
four young women?
Just kind of look around. Hey,there's anyone anyone good
looking? Yes. They're all agree.
Um, during filming, Brad Pittactually flashed a passing car.

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On a break between scenes. Thepolice showed up on set to
question him, because the driverreported indecent exposure.
Funnily enough, and Gil Shaolinand Brad Pitt met on this film
and eventually became engaged,though they were never married.
Eli Roth was inspired by coachHarris's trampoline, implement

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death and used it in a phototrailer for thanksgiving for
Grindhouse. And last but notleast, music by Andy playboy.
Like I said, it's super fun, whoalso did the soundtracks for
Chad to the butt of Chad andChuck Norris is the Hitman
Rhonda vinegar syndromes fastthere's only 961 copies left

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what's out?
I mean, by the time I got there,all the special edition copies
were gone, so I didn't get thecool cover. I got the normal
cover. You'd get the specialslip case I did not get the
specialist makes very nice. Whatthey do is tricked me into so
many bad Phil. I own a lot ofregretful films. But I own some
great ones too. I don't it'shard.

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I'm gonna call bullshit on thisentire film because no gym
teacher is going to want to beat school on Saturday. And be
like, Look, we'll figure it outsomehow, but to do this week,
and last thing I want to do issee you fucking assholes for one
more hour that I have. It willshow

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up if they need to be there asan excuse for death. Let me tell
you, it was it is so unrealisticand so Oh, by the way, One other
fun fact that I wanted tomention no one in this entire
film cuts class. I just I reallyhad like, I was like, especially
like the main girl she neveronce cuts class they won't break

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into the school after school. Donot cut class. The creepo kid is
kicked out of a lot of classesbut he doesn't cut class. Brad
Pitt gets really drunk and doesdaytime daytime drinking but
it's not really said he'scutting glass. So that's a if
you one.
Just Just want to put that outthere.

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Well already I guess I'll gonext. Unless someone else Yeah.
All right. Well, this was theone I looked up. That's actually
a chat factory. Oh, okay. 1990threes. I'm sorry. I screwed up
on the year. I got a differentyear. When a stranger calls

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back.
It began like any other nightuntil a stranger stepped out of
the dark. Reign of Terrorbegins.
Inside the house withoutseriousness,
she's badly traumatized ordelusions just too much for her

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she's coming up and leave hershow. She hasn't created
something that isn't there. Whatis happening is real relations
are getting pretty hard to comeby. Don't mistake those things
in the terrifying thing is heknows you don't.
He will go after someone else.
I'm sorry, sir. There seems tobe some problem.

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Charles do stranger calls.
The Rotten Tomato on this is 57critics 55 crowd which when I
first started watching, it seemsa little harsh, but as I watched
it go I think I know where thatcame from. This was technically
a made for TV, but it wasShowtime. So it was content that

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you would not see on regular,saucy. Well, you know, that
means boobs. It's not terriblyviolent or anything.
So I remember Showtime in the90s. I was not allowed to watch
it because of the boobs.
bibs,directed by Fred Walton who
directed when a stranger callsand April Fool's Day. But yeah,

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rather fun films. also writtenby Fred Walton, who wrote along
with Steve feck, who wrote c facwrote all three. And Fred Walton
was involved in writing at leasttwo of them. Steve also wrote
makin me and the beastmaster TVshow. Yeah, I think Fred might

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have helped him so much on this.
Okay, this is star All Starstars. This DARS Carol Kane, you
might know her from when astranger calls. Or the Muppet

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Movie. No taxi cheerstransferring 65,000 and because
of her voice, a butt ton ofcartoons.
And then we tend toexactly yes and Princess Bride.
And Charles durning, who wasalso in the Muppet Movie, and
wonderful role in a TV showcalled rescue me. And like 260
films a lot. And Jill, how doyou say your last name again?

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I don't know. So I don't wait,wait.
Wait, wait.
Really?
Oh. Three of us have Gil chaloneare these I say
oh my god. andolan is?
Oh my god.
She Christine infantum. Yes. Soshe's the lead? Yes. In all
three of the films.

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Oh my god. Wow, she had a goodrun.
This is a what are the friggin?
But anyway, so she was incutting class. Oh, a Phantom of
the Opera plates popcorn. Andthe stepfather
movies we have showcased onthis.
And Jean liftout plays in thebad guy who's in the usual

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suspects as cop on the pier. Ander as cop
seems like he might have a typeYeah, okay, so the movie starts
off with my first thought iscast this is made for TV music.
So this is okay, we all knowwhen a stranger calls has one of
the best opening 20 some oddminutes in film Ben's ever

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Absolutely. And this iscomparable, the opening of this
one is done differently. Andthat it's not a phone this time
the phone doesn't work.
Initially it does, but then itdoesn't for a while, and
somebody shows up at the frontdoor with I've got a problem
with my car. So you never seehim because she you know,

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smartly never opens the door.
Keep the suspense that's builtup by Fred going and the she
lies to the guy. It's like oh,call the call the car service
for you. Of course the car. Thephone's not working, but she's
not going to tell the guy at thedoor. That's false, not working.
So she lies and says they'll bethere an hour. Guess what
happens An hour later. So hecomes back in and hey, she does

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check on the kids though in thisone.
That's really nice. Kids.
Wait a baby said,yeah, this still worked. I was
very happy with watching itagain going. Okay, this really
works. I actually watched thisone first. I saw this quite a
long time before I saw theoriginal. And I think in a lot
of ways it works a little betterthan the original. There's one

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key reason why it doesn't. And Iwill get there. It's still it's
a little more melodramatic thanthe one especially when she
finally realizes what's going onwhen the guy kind of comes out.
It's like, what's with theFrankenstein pose dude. Working
back and then five years later,she shows up with complaints

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about something going on. AndCarol Kane is there playing the
same woman she was in theoriginal. Who immediately Of
course believes that these weirdshe just what? So I started
calling them by the actors namesCarol and Jill. And part of the
way through the movie I realizedCarol Kane's character is named
Jill. Oh my god. So just soy'all know, Jill, I'm referring

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to is the performer Matt, thecharacter. Carol is Jill. So
Carol and Jill are the actorsmethod worker, she's started
talking, she starts to describehow she lives in a sparse
apartment, she noticed that abook had moved or her alarm goes
off at 3am. And all thishappening over weeks time. It's

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not happening like three days ina row or something happens over
a long period of time. So ofcourse, the cops are over. But
Carol believes and this is thisthese two scenes breakdown for
me why the film is a little bitrougher than the original.
Jill's describing all thisstuff. It's like Oh, that sounds

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creepy, and it's bad. And sheleaves the room and Carol Kane
describes why she believes herand her description is freaking
harrowing. Like this. Okay, thisis her talking about what this
girl just told us is scarierthan her telling us originally.
And when you're with Carol Kaneand Charles durning it's going
to show what the film thoughdoes so much better than the

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original is in the writing. Theopening scene happens. She goes
to the cops, and most of therest of the movie is Charles and
Carol trying to find the guy.
It's not following the guy totry it following the bad guy to
try to make him seemsympathetic. So that works so

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much better.
As I said, How is like the worstpart? Oh,
yeah. This poor guy? No, no.
Just said he ripped the kidsapart with his hands. I'm not
gonna feel bad about this guyever. So that I think that's
part of the reason this works.
It works better directing andacting or as storywise The
problem is the lead acting justkind of falls. So by Carol

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cycle, you should get a gun andlearn how to use it. And Jill
tried to kill herself with thegun. Or does she? And another
incredibly well done creepyscene, the killer visitor in the
hospital bed where she'sunconscious. Jill's unconscious
at this point and for the restof the movie, which was a good

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call. I wonder if that wasoriginally in the script, or if
they just kind of wrote it in.
But he sneaks into her room andis standing at the end of the
bed and Carol walks in. And asshe walks in, he slowly steps
back and disappears into theshadows. And it's creepy as
hell. It's really well done.

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It's it's beyond me. Well, Fredhasn't directed more stuff
because his ability to directsuspense is top notch. So Carol
says some stuff and leaves andthe bad guy comes out at this
point kind of going. Is this. Ishe obsessed? Is this a
unrequited love movie? Or is hejust kind of messing with her

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sort of gets answered, but hestarts this this really strange
scene he just kind of like pokesat her stomach a couple times
and pokes again, and when shedoesn't react, he starts hitting
her harder and harder. It'sIncredibly unnerving. And you
find out later on, and this iswhere you go, okay? It's an
obsession thing. Charles findssome photos he'd taken, which he

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didn't take during the scene,but, and there, she's exposed,
shall we say during some of thescenes? Okay, well, this seems
like a little more. He'sobsessed with her as a sex
object and just stay messingwith her.
boobs.
Yeah. Go find way of pronouncingthings okay.

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After this, we do get the shortthing of why have a little
train, try at least just maybe ascene or two to get some
sympathy for the lead guy, orthe lead villain. And he's a
ventriloquist. He's aventriloquist performing in a
topless bar. who booked him? Andit's dark. His ventriloquist act

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is this dark, disturbing look atthe world and he pulls up his
doll and the doll has no face.
Like, oh, it's relatively. It'sa It's a neat scene. But like,
he's like, he goes back and he'sgot it. The guy yells at him.
And he's like, well, you'regonna clean the toilets now and

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nice strippers nice to him. It'skind of an point, like the
original habit. It's only like ascene and a half. So it's quick
and done. But it does set up anice thing, which I'm kinda like
this is bordering on blackface.
But he's not performing any kindof thing. He just paints himself

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completely black. So when he'sdoing the ventriloquist, and he
wears all black, he disappearsin the shadows. Which of course,
when Charles shows up trying tofind him, he runs into an alley
and the guy disappears into theshadows. He does find his place
and that's where I find that thephotos and stuff. Very strange

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design moment in this film. Forsome reason, Carol's apartment
door opens outwards. Doors don'tgenerally open. It's got a nice
ending set for one kind ofproblem. This is why think maybe
Fred did a rewrite. She's aJill's not in it. I mean, the

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entire thing is Carolyn Charlesdealing with the killer.
Here, okay.
So it kind of the end ending,not the climax, but the ending
is Carol being pushed into ahospital bed. And Charles like,
I thought you'd like to havesome company while you're in
here. And it's, you know, Jill'sover there and she's doing
better. So you know, it's gotthe made for TV movie ending.

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But overall, nice suspenseenough really good suspenseful
scenes to keep this movie worthwatching. It's got two or three
more than the original and itdoesn't have that. Damn, you're
gonna like this guy segment. Thethe big downfall really,
unfortunately, is justperformance. I think that
really, really hurts the movie.
Enough for that rifftrax did atake on this film. Man, it ain't

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that bad. Although, you know,Carol is intense enough that I
think you could make fun of herlevel of intensity. And hey,
this was in 1993. Can you guesswhat city was shot in?
Vancouver? It starts up and he'slike it's a Seattle. It does
kind of look like Seattle. Oh,no, it's just the city that

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looks like Yeah. And one of thekey things for me as far as
watching the film, I thought theoriginal must be half an hour or
more longer. There. They havealmost the exact same runtime.
But the sequel is moves at amuch better pace. Much more fun
to watch. So our chill festival.

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Three pretty good films.
Yeah.
I will say I did see that film.
And I don't remember a lot aboutthe second one. Aside from there
was such a good. Yeah, reallycreepy scene of him wandering
around her apartment and likedisappearing in and out of
things. And it was really Yeah,I remember it being very

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affecting.
Yeah. Yeah. It does some stuffreally well, what it does well,
it does really well.
I am so convinced that you havealready spoken about this film
because I've never seen it andeverything you said I was like,
yep, yep. Yep. I've heard youtalk about this.
I feel like because you did thefirst one though.
Yeah. Talked about the firstone. I probably talked about the

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second one at that time. I don'tthink I'd done it as a least not
in our records I could find as Idid it as some kind of a double
feature in our very early day.
There's gonna come a time whereYou know, one time one of us is
just gonna completely do anotherfilm, and none of us pay enough
attention to know that we hadalready done it.

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It gets kindof hard. Because like, I mean,
like, I'm kind of visually goingthrough your guys's films as you
describe them, but watching itlater sometimes I'll be like,
Oh, wait, what do you diddescribe this movie to me. But
it doesn't always connect tolike, right there. And then we
go through a lot of movies. Sothat's what the documents for
guys. Oh my god. Ours ourssent me an invite so I can see

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it. Again, again again.
Well, alright, that was fun. II'm gonna have to title this
something to do with Jill Jones.
A very special episode wherethat's right.
Eric, that means that the nextsub genre is yours. That is
right. In keeping with the joyand fun of it and stay. I think

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we're going to talk about toxicrelationships. And these are
generally my kind of thinking isthese are relationships that the
people in the movie may not knoware toxic, but we sure as hell
do. Sure.
Yeah. Okay.
Awesome. That's a great topic.
I'm sure Jill has been in amovie or two that has gone on

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to look for that.
I mean, she certainly is easy onthe eyes.
Ya know, a pretty girl. She'sa very pretty girl. Yeah, I've
seen far more of her than I careto be alright, with this one. I
don't think you see. I don'tthink that's actually her. And
those photos, it's definitely abody double.
So I'm definitely interested inPhantom of the Opera, though.

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That sounds awesome. It's,I mean, your mileage may vary,
but I, I feel confident that youwill like it. And I think the
music is. I mean, as I waswatching it, I was like, This
music is good. I gotta hunt thissoundtrack down. Nice. Okay, so
that's the show. Thanks toeverybody who's always liking

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and sharing everything. And wewere talking. What is this the
last of our lovers in the air?
Well, the next one will bethat's what I mean. Yeah,
so that'll be the end of the endof February.
Good luck.
Like on the beginning of thisepisode, I'm really enjoying by

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the end of this.
Well, I'm a little chilled outif I'm being honest.
I did not expect that. Imean, I knew yours because it
came up in my research, but Idid not realize
somehow Oh, well. That's sofunny. You say that because when
you were listening to the movieshoes, and you mentioned his
movie,I think I didn't realize that
that was the movie we're doingtoday. Like if that part had

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slipped past me like I write Iwrite them down when I first and
picking stuff so don't pick thesame as yours. But yeah, beyond
that. It's a fun surprise forme. Come on, guys. I have
rabies.
letter was gonna cut back up.
All right. That's the show.

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