307 REMEMBERING DAVID LYNCH

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307 REMEMBERING DAVID LYNCH
Kelly doesn't want to pick up his mail, and the gang talks David Lynch movies.
Also discussed: Wolf Man, Star Trek: Section 31, Severance

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Strange eons. Welcome to strangeeons. Radio that is Eric over
there. Hello, that is Vanessaover there. Hello, and I am
Kelly, you guys know that Idrive an old BMW. That is my
baby. She has been under a lotof abuse lately, but the latest
thing is that the temperatureshave been so goddamn fucking

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cold,and I go to work early in the
morning, and the other day, I'mjust tooling along, and all of a
sudden my windshield just goesblack. I
was like, what's happening?
Big, huge crack right up theside of it. I was like, Oh no.

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And I don't know if it's becauseI had my defroster on full
blast. Well, it's 26 degrees outor what. But that was a bummer.
So after this episode,so I have a high deductible on
this, you know, and one of thefirst things I replaced in that
was a new windshield when I gotthe car, and I don't
particularly want to do thatagain, so I bought an $11.99

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cent windshield fix that we'llsee how this goes tape kind of
thing. So you drip this stuffinto the crack, and then you put
this stuff on top of it, and sitit in the sun for like, 10
minutes. And then as you slowlypeel you're supposed to, like,
be able to look at the crackfrom a 45 degree angle. And if

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you can still see it, you havenot dripped enough stuff into
this. Wow. Weird. I know. I waslike, this is snake oil for
sure. And got 3600reviews going, Holy shit. This
stuff actually works. I'm like,Well, okay, I It's kind of like
the like the guys, except littletents and Home Depot or
something like that. Yeah, Iknow you can do it to chips. I

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didn't do it to a crack. Yeah,that's what they do with chips.
But I didn't, but you stillhave, you still see the crack,
right? It's just that it doesn'taffect you, apparently, if the
crack is not too deep, yeah,then this stuff seeps into it
and fills it up so that youdon't see it, and it stops the
crack from spreading. So, oh,wow, that's what I'm doing after

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today's episode. Good times.
Yeah, I've been avoidingswapping out my windshield
because I just done it a coupleyears ago myself. Yeah, and got
a huge rock that came andsmacked it, and I've just been
watching the crack just go fromlittle itty bitty to little
bigger, little bigger, littlebigger. Well, as this stuff
works, I will then pass on. I'lltake it. I'll see if it yeah,

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let's, let's find out together.
Last summer, we were driving tofuneral in eastern Washington,
andkind of out of nowhere, because
there were, at that time, thereno cars were directly in front
of us anymore, so we just turneda rock hit the windshield and
went through the windshield. Ohmy god. Luckily it was low

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enough the Dina's brother wassitting up in the front seat and
buy it that it hit the stock.
But parts of it, you could goback in. As we were clean out,
we would go, Holy shit, there'sglass all over the dashboard,
all these stuff. I mean, it washard hit. The Rock came out, and

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they go whole the windows like iWow, never seen a rock chip like
that. And more vehicles around.
There was a little earlier guy,a car turned away. So I think
maybe something fell off hiswheel and just like, just weird,
maximum velocity, or it wasasteroid, asteroid. Yeah, there

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you go. Yes, it goes. Or is ittechnically a meteorite because
it touched ground, never touchedground and got lodged in his
dashboard? Still an asteroid.
Okay? Asteroid.
You guys, I have watched somekind of, some kind of good stuff
and some kind of bad stuff. Whatshould I start with?

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Oh, start negative. I knowalways start with a bad right?
Lord of the Rings, war of theRoyal hearing. Oh no,
this is the it looked tolerable,but that's not good, well. And I
remember they showed a segmentof the battle scene like at some
convention, and that got leakedto the internet, and everybody

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was like, jeez, this lookspretty
good. That scene is still.
Pretty good, and there are acouple of neat things in this,
but overall, it is a real snoozefest. And I don't mean snooze
fest like you want at our age,which is a nice, long nap

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that feels good, that you wakeup refreshed. No, this is a
snooze fest, as in, I reallyneed some shit to start
happening if I'm gonna continuewatching this movie.
You know, you can do this in alive action film, but an
animated film with this muchdialog, where it's just, you
know, let's go to this persontalking now, like, okay, come
on, guys.
So it ends pretty strongly,thankfully.

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But otherwise I was like, God,you know, and it's a Warner
Brothers film and all this stuffit is. It is meant to fit in
with all the Lord of the Ringsstuff that has come out. Is it
part of the, also part of thesummer alien? Or is it some,
this is stuff that is touchedon. Unfortunately, you know, the
similar in which feels like abig book, is basically just a

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textbook of the history ofMiddle Earth, and so a lot of
the stuff that they're talkingabout, like in that Amazon war
of the Rings or this thing, arelittle footnotes.
SoI don't know, I don't know why I
set myself up for this, becausethe stuff that Jackson made was
the First Lord of the Ringsfilms. Those first three, yeah,

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were magnificent, yeah, I stillwere talking, when I first
walked in, about the Hobbit. Theforgot the name of the guy who
did the Hobbit.
No route, the animated one. TheRalph basqui, Lord of the Rings,
that was back Shannon Lord ofthe Rings. And then the animated

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one was rank and bassfor The Hobbit. God, damn. How
hot am i Ladies?
Bass, because in my head it wasa rascal. But I know that's not
right, but it's so close. Soglad somebody carries on this

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knowledge for humanity.
It's called War of the roadhere, and,
yeah, I'm sure it will be onAmazon for free very quickly.
They've got to have the rightsto it because of the Lord of the
Rings show. And it's, it's likea 299 rental right now that even

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felt a little much by the end ofit, I was like, I should have
waited. So I checked out a filmthat has gotten a lot of buzz
called a complete unknown,right? Right? The Bob Dylan
pick, Timothy Chalamet, my leastfavorite of the Chalamet

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Timothy's out there to ease toomuch derailed,
you know, I wanted to check itout because I actually don't
know very much about Bob Dylan.
Everybody I knew who was reallyinto Bob Dylan when I was in my
20s were all potentialpretentious hipster assholes. So
I kind of went out of my way tonot get into it, because I was
like, I don't want to be one ofyou dickheads.

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And now, as you've gotten older,you realize you were right the
entire time.
Well, the actual bummer is I'mhugely into 70s folk music,
like, I fucking love Cat Stevensso hard. So watching this film,
I was like, Ah, damn, there'ssome good music in this. But I
will say the film is excellent,because it really paints him in

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such an honest picture. Guys,such an asshole, he's such a
dick to the people around him.
As he grows, he only kind ofbecomes more of a dick. But you
see, he's sort of trying to findhimself, and the way he's
treating people is part of that.
And so because he doesn't knowwho he is, and he doesn't want

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people to define him, so he'slashing out against them. You
can see how it's really hard todescribe him and his music,
because he's just like, No,don't say on that. No, don't say
on this. I think TimothyChalamet did a really good job.
But even better were the othercast members in this
like, Oh, my God, sorry,we have Edward Norton in it,

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who's incredible. Ella Fanningis great.
Also, there's just, like, a fewsurprises while you're watching,
we're just like, man, okay,cool. This is interesting, I
don't know. And also, I had aJoan, is it? Bets, Bates, Baez

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album, because my mom just gaveme a hunk of her old LPS. And I
was like, well, listen to theseand see if I like them or not.
And at Christmas time, we have,like, we display four LPs. Well,
all the time we display fourLPs. And I tried to find
Christmassy looking ones, andthere was one that looked
Christmasy. And I was like, I.
Yeah, all right, this Joan lady,I'll go ahead and listen to,

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like, what the fuck am Ilistening to? Like, she randomly
does an opera track in it. AndI'm like, I don't know, man. And
I was like, oh, okay, now I knowwho you are. So I appreciate the
movie for that. I have alwaysenjoyed his writing and people
that would cover his, it'samazing covers of Bob Dylan,
sir, because he can write thatshit out of music. Yeah, I have

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always had a hard time gettingpast his singing voice right
there with you. Yes. And again,they do, like, bring that up
too. They're, like, they're,they're pretty clear about,
like, not a greatvoice, not great, but so good
writing, so good you will gopast it for it. So

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that's enjoyable. I thought oneof the is one of the main
storylines, him going electric.
So no, there is. The mainstoryline is him getting to
become like a folk hero andfigure, and then him going
against that grain, which is,that's really fun. He also

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there's a kind of constantinteraction between him and
Johnny Cash, which isincredible, because Johnny
Cash's advice, like just sideadvice to him constantly, is
just so fucking good. You'relike, Oh, Johnny, such a rebel,
such terrible advice,like Oscar bait to me, like, to

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an extent, but I mean, it's apart of history that it's so
important, so interesting, andsuch a big piece of Americana
that I didn't get to livethrough that. For me, it's like,
wow, okay. Like, I'm reallyfascinated, and I want to know
what that looked like and feltlike in the context of that
world. And you get this realpainting of New York City during

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that time that it's it's Oscarbait, for sure, but I enjoyed it
cool. Who had a Vanessa like 70sfolk music on their bingo cart?
Not me, nope.
Sorry, I don't know what to tellyou. Fucking love the world.
All right. Well, I did the thisis on a whole bunch of lists, so

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I'll watch it, because the leadsinterest me. And I had no idea
what this film was about at all,a movie called a real pain. Oh,
yeah, which is kirian Culkin,who has just become a
phenomenal, phenomenal actor,and Jesse Eisenberg playing
right cousins. Now I know whatthis is, reunited after a death

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in the family to go back andtour Poland, yeah, and go to one
of the concentration camps aspart of the tour. Is like, Okay,
this is a pretty damn good film.
It is.
We frequently talk on here aboutthat sort of lost versions of
films that don't get made toomuch anymore.

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It's funny. It's got a lot ofreal humor, a lot of real good
humor between the two of them,and then a lot of pain in the
characters that Kieran Culkin,especially humor covering pain
is done incredibly well. Theperformances are just
ridiculous, and thethe Jewish story and the

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visits are done.
They're not overdone. It's notlike, you know, like Schindler's
List was like a punch to theface, sure. And this is more
like,holy, how heavy it is for these
guys to be in this situation andin these areas. But it's not the
whole film, you know, that's alarge part of it. But they go to

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other things. They do otherstuff. But Kyrian plays a really
interesting character who hassome very, very big swings in
way he acts. Jesse wants to be abig character with big swings,
but his character is all it'sjust,
it's really well done. It's areally neat, interesting film.

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That is, I thought was wellworth watching.
Not really Oscar bait, but it'sdefinitely there. I mean, it's
directed by Jesse Eisenberg, sohand written by him, but he gave
the media stuff to carry it.
Yeah, you've seen I just checkedit out as well. And yeah, there,
there are a couple scenes inthere that are just so strong

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and powerful. The piano scenes,gut wrenching. There's just,
there's some really, like, yousaid, strong acting moments,
strong character moments. Therewere, there's a lot of cringe in
there too. Like, Jordan fraud,where you're just like, very
uncomfortable at times, whereit's like, don't, don't, don't
do what you're doing. Stop doingwhat you're doing. Please don't

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do but then, and then he justgets away with it. And you're
like,people love him more for the
insane things he's doing. But atfirst nobody likes and then
everyone's like, actually, youdo have a point. And.
It's like, what the Okay, solikable of like the scene, it's
later in so I'll be vague aboutit, but the scene where they put

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the rock on the stoop, yeah, theinteraction with the Polish guy,
and it's just, it's a subtlelittle seed, but it says there's
a lot going on, there's a lot,there's a lot. And I thought
the,well, we can talk about this off
air, but the ending was a reallygood, perfect ending to me,
unexpected, but also, yeah,perfect, wow. This is called a

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real pain, and it is streaming,or it's on Hulu.
You can watch it. I watched itabout three days before it
became free.
Part of the reason I watched it,I've got this list. It's like,
what's this? Oh, it's on Huluright now.

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I'm gonna combine a few thingshere that I saw because the new
season of Harlequin has started,which has been hilarious and
funny, and quite honestly, waymore satisfying to watch than
creature commandos was for me.
Even though I ended up likingit, I'm still catching up. So
yeah, and so HBO Max is kind ofDC Central, if you want to watch

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the DC stuff. And I was justkind of after second episode of
Harley Quinn. It just kind ofrolled me into the first episode
of Superman and Lois, oh, whichI was like, Oh, I kind of forgot
that this show was a thing andall that. And

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I am a smart person, and feltlike I didn't need to watch the
firsttwo seasons. So it was just see
what's going on here. I want tokind of see what they've done
once they've gotten their feeton the ground. And I watched the
third and fourth season, Oh,wow. And I was like, Wow. This
is a really interesting take onthis character, who was kind of,
you know, not part of the arrowverse guys, so it didn't have

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the flash and all that,but he had basically steel, you
know, John Henry irons, who,nice, basically, is the Iron Man
version of DC, and that's thecharacter in here. And I had
sent you a picture of Lex, wholooks disturbingly like our
friend Jamie. And I was like,just got Jamie to do this part,

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like Jamie's voice better thanthis guys and
but it was really interestingbecause they've got, it's Lois
and Clark as they are marriednow. They have retired. They're
living in Smallville, and she isrunning the Smallville Gazette.
They've got two sons, one ofwhom is powered, and the other

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one who is not and that'scausing problems. I was like,
Oh, this is super interesting.
And the last couple of seasons,Lois has been working with
breast cancer, and they bringthat into the storyline. And I
was like, Oh, this is a littledeeper than I expected out of a
Superman show. And then a sceneafter her double mastectomy,
where she and Clark get into bedtogether, and she's, you know,

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just very, very nervous aboutthis, and he's just so madly in
love with her, he's theretelling her, you know, this is
not anything I was just likewatching this gun. Okay, all
right.
He's not expecting a deep,loving series between these two.
I don't like particularly thewoman who plays Lois, or even

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the guy who plays Clark, butthey did a really great job and
the supporting cast inSmallville. But here's where it
gets crazy. Basically everybodyin Smallville kind of knows he's
Superman, even though he doesn'trealize they know it. That's so
good. They're all kind of like,there was a scene where he's

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like, standing in line to getsomething, and on the TV above
there's like, a plane out ofcontrol, and the cashier just
kind of looks up at him and he'slike, I left my wallet,
and he takes off. You see himrescue the plane. She's watching
it, and then he comes back in,and he's like, I got my wallet.
She's like, Okay,so there's some really neat

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stuff going on there. And then areally, really touching final
episode, because they wrappedthe series up, where he talks
about when he dies, and what itwas like dying and all this
stuff. And the show is waybetter than I thought it was so.
And this is animated. No, thisis a CW show that has been now

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ported to HBO Max, because theyown all the DC properties. Are
you gonna go back and watch thefirst two seats?
I don't have time for this shit.
I didn't have time for thisstuff. Just jammed it in because
I was like, Oh, this is reallyinteresting. Then I was like,
It's fucking two in the morning.

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I should go to bed. Is this backwhen they had like, a 22
episode?
Episode run, or is this like,oh, the 10 episodes, thank God.
And the last episode for fourjust ended, like, in December,
or something. This is a brandnew series, basically, that just
ended up tocheck this out. I was talking
about Harley Quinn, but I wentinto so I'm not sure what I was

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really talking about there, butDC, yeah, HBO Max is for your DC
needs. So true. Yeah. And you,you kind of touched on creature
commandos too. Which Have youseen? All of you finished it up?
Yeah, yeah. I was left veryunsatisfied with that final
episode. Like, you haven'tfinished it, then don't worry

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about it that this some of like,like, your silo gone, really,
are you sure? But creaturecommanders say, what you like,
they all die. Oh, okay, yeah. Imean, James Gunn comes back and
takes over all their powers andrules the world, yeah. But
somebody dies, and it's auseless death. And I was like,
wow, this person, all thisperson had, was a miserable

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life, and then die life. Iactually, yeah, and having a
daughter who's very small andfiguring out how to walk, I was
like, crying. Like it touchedyou in a way, no, but it wasn't
because the same I was like,yeah, she had a horrible
existence, which just made itmore tragic. And then yeah, just

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Yeah, each episode being alittle time capsule. I like the
idea of that, but I feel like itreally deserved the larger arc.
And where you end, where youend, you did at least one more
episodes, at least one more,because you're like, I don't
know how much I care. And I waslike, wait, I kind of forgot
about that character existing.
And then this other, okay, like,what does this even mean? And

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like, I hated clay face in thisseries so much. I mean, he just,
I don't know. That's becausewe're given clay face in Harley
Quinn. I knowsame with Bane. I'm like, oh
god. I just like what they'vedone so much that it's really
hard to go back. Well, so didyou watch any of the new season

(22:10):
of Harley Quinn? I started, Ithink I'm on the previous
season. I'm trying, I'm tryingto catch up. I'm like, pretty
far behind. Well, this seasonthey go to Metropolis,
metropolis, but it seems likeeverybody has kind of moved with
them. It's, it's pretty funny tosee Bane in Metropolis. That's
so good. Yes, I'm, I'm slowlybut surely catching up. So that

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was here. That was mine. Yeah.
Sorry, that's like a shit on it.
Then, oh no, it's fine. I thinkit's good to talk about.
Yeah, I don't know worth seeing,I guess. Yeah, episodes, some
were, some episodes were verygood, I think. But most of it
was,well, I watched one about a band
that I've been curious aboutsince Jesus, like late 80s,

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early 90s, when I was takingmusic school shit,
1964 band called the Sonics, andthe movie is boom, a film about
the Sonics. Yeah,it's pretty damn good.
They were kind of completelyforgotten about. They basically

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put out like two albums in 6466around in that area, and
disappeared, more or less. Butnot here.
There's a lot of talk about howwhen you if you were in a party
in the 80s, some point in time,songs coming out you're gonna
hear which you're gonna hearpsycho, is going to get played,

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and thatthey kept being known. So one of
thethings like, let's see if we can
get them back together and do atour,
and they ended up touring forlike eight years,
is such an interesting thing.
And listening to them, you'rekind of like,

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so the Ramones were supposed tobe the first band that did music
like, exactly what the Sonicswere doing 15 years earlier. And
there's a lot of you know, Imean, we were Alaska, south,
real bad back inup until, like, I don't know,
maybe the sea ox win the SuperBowl, but there's a lot of stuff
was kind of ignored here. Andthen there's obviously the the

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grunge band, which,realistically, it's about four
bands, yeah, four or fiveSeattle bands. And Seattle music
has a rich history of a lot morethan that, yeah, but the Sonics
lead straight into that thesound they had, the grungy,
dirty, the intensity of whichthey played, preceding all of
the bands you think of whenanybody talks about the start of

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punk, and even to a lesserextent, metal, they're a little
more punk, like the Ramones. Ithink was a better is a.
Stronger comparison than youmight get if you were Black
Sabbath or something, becausethey're, they're not really that
kind of music. Yeah, I alwayskind of put them more because
the room, how long were theRamones around? They were 80s,

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right? I always put featherlike, 70s, early 80s. Yeah, I
always put them closer to, like,The Clash, yeah, with the sonic
stuff, yeah, we had, we had apretty cool music history here.
And if you visit the ExperienceMusic Project, then you pop,
yeah, oh yeah. It's called mopop, isn't it? Yep, that's
right, yep. They probably stillhave a section for music, and

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probably I haven't been there ina while, like many bands like
Hendrix and heart, even therenewal. Every the renewal was
in New York. They didn't get ithere, some guy who did a
festival kept calling them, andthe guy's like, we haven't
played in 40 years. I mean, wehave, we don't play reunion
concert then, yeah, oh, wow,that's really cool. Really

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interesting. What are youwatching this on? This was a
Amazon rental. It just came out.
It was made in like, kind oflike, 2018 Yeah, 2018 so it's
been around a long time. Yeah.
I'm not sure why it took so longto finally show up. But it is
finally outfor rental. There's like, I
think crocodile or somebody,somebody, oh, Empire albums on

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in West Seattle, the recordstore did a viewing party when
it first opened, the night Iwatched at the same time. But
you like music history, not justSeattle music, but music
history. This is really, reallyworth watching. It's right up
there with that death from a fewyears ago, and that was the one

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that was the big hit with the80s metal band that,
oh, anvil, anvil, yeah. It fitsright in with those. It's a
great trilogy. If you want towatch some interesting music
history. That's very cool,man. Get me nostalgic for a
Seattle that does not exist.

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It's a little different now.
Yeah, the worst thing thathappened to Seattle is a music,
music wise, was getting sopopular because I was here,
heavily involved in the musicwhen it hit to where you go see
some bands like 8089the mother loved bones, the
TADS, stuff like that, and thecrowd is just batshit crazy,
yeah, because it's this greatthing that nobody knows about

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but us, because it were and thenit got popular. And like 9596
you go to local bands, andsuddenly it's a bunch of proof
you're worth us being here. Kindof attitudes. I go, Oh, stop it.
Come on, have fun.
Really, I think it's gone backto that because

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Steve and Tony and yeah, sureseemed to enjoy going to bands
in these small venues here. So Ithink it's more fun again. But
there's a brief period there inthe mid to late 90s. I mean, we
this city was a gritty city. Imean, it was cold. Everybody was
just, you know, it was aworking, working place, where

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you had forestry as one of themain industries, and then the
kids were all wearing flannelbecause it's fucking wet and
cold, it's cool. And if you usean umbrella, you're obviously
we're a tourist, totally,totally, everyone's just soaking
wet the whole time, like there'sjust a misery that allowed these
sort of bursts of creativeenergy coming out. Well, Sonics

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were Tacoma, yeah, I know. Imean, I do mean Tacoma. I mean
the state rather than, I meanthe western part of the state,
county area and a little bitinto, I mean, Pearson came,
yeah, like, there's, I mean, Igrew up in Pierce County and
near Tacoma and, yeah, there'sjust, there's a nostalgia that

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probably shouldn't be innostalgia, because It definitely
sucked ass. But, yeah, butcool, oh yes, I remember that
smellthat takes out for consumption.
Excellent, excellent. Thatsounds great. Yeah, I definitely
want to watch that. But what Ireally want to do is take a

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little break and then come backand talk about our favorite
films of last year.
Ooh, three in one airplane.

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It's holiday fun all in one it'sa plane,
a hotel, a beach and a boat. I'dlike a room, please. Let's
unpack.
Welcome to paradise.
Blue is three in one. Airplanecomes as shown, with over 25

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sounds. Batteries not included,woohoo.
We are back, and for thisepisode, we are talking about
our favorite films of 2024because that's what we should be

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doing in February of 2025 That'sright. Yes, we're not going to
talk about it December 2.
So the way we always do this iskind of a round robin thing,
where someone starts off with afilm, and if that film is lower
on somebody else's list, weskip. So we go to the next,
154321,I don't know about you guys, I
played a little fast and loosewith the dates on this because

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some of these things had a afestival screening in 2023
but was not available to usuntil 2024 or some of these
things might had a festivalscreening and just came out
this year, but I still called it2024 because it had a festival
screening and I wanted to Talkabout it. I played very close to

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the official but I am happy foryou to have messed with it.
Well, also, I went a little offscript this time, because I was
like, I'm not really going totalk about my five favorites,
because I have a feeling youguys are going to talk about my
five favorites. Oh, so I amtalking about five films that I
really want people to payattention to. Wow, that's cool.

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So actually, my list sort ofsits in the middle of that,
except for like, three or threeof them that was
definitely in my alternative. Soall right, we've got no five
minute buzzer. We can just talkabout stuff as we want. Who
wants to go, gosh, well, youguys are looking at me. So
number five for me, I have civilwar. Does anybody have that? I

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actually still haven't seen it.
I haven't seen that either. Oh,you guys. So just as a little
recap, this is a Alex Garland, a24 film. Alex Garland, who did
Ex Machina annihilation, menand, more recently, the TV Hulu
series. Devs.
This is about a war betweenAmerica and itself. There's no

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clear idea of what they'refighting for or how this all
happened. There's no specificright or wrong. They're right,
they're wrong. But it is somejournalists who are trying to
make it to Washington, DC,because the President of the
United States, who is anextremist, is about to be
overthrown, and they want to bethere when it happens, and take
photos and witness it and beable to publish about it, and is

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their journey across the UnitedStates. I loved this film. It
has so many amazing visuals. Inoted it at the time, but if
you're watching, I remember thisfrom my photography classes,
like, how you line things up tomake a really good photo.
Literally every shot that theyhave is a perfect photograph,

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like perfect it's gorgeous. It'sall gorgeous. It shows America
in this really gorgeous light,but also super terrifying
because of the people in it.
And there's a weird and randombut fantastic performance by
Jesse Plemons that will shakeyou to your core. And I didn't
realize it, but he was castliterally just a couple days

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before, because the guy who wasgoing to do that role dropped
out, and he's Kristen Dunn'shusband who is the lead in this.
And she was like, Hey, why don'tyou get a Jesse, he'll come do
it. It's like, Fuck, man. Ohjeez, okay, Jesse, I'm not gonna
unsee that. Thanks. Oh, wow,wow. Well, I didn't realize this
was gonna be in the top five ofyour films. I guess I better

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watch this. Oh shit. Idefinitely recommend it. I think
it was a really, unfortunately,not a lot of people checked it
out and saw it, but it was areally, really good movie. Yeah,
that's streaming free now, so Iguess I got no excuse. All gone,
okay, I've got one too thatdon't think I'll be at one of
the ones that won't be onanybody's list, probably, but

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red rooms, oh, no, I stillhaven't seen that one. Yeah,
it's damn good, a story of amodel who gets obsessed with a
high profile murder trial andgoes to watch it as it
progresses, andanother person she meets there
that's obsessed with it, theybecome friends

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and goes through some shit.
There's a long storyline isthere's something missing from
the evidence, not that it's beenstolen or anything like that,
but you just haven't found it.
So that's sort of what shestarts to do, try to find what
that is. It'she's, quote back, so it's
French, but I believe it's shotin Canada. And smart,

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interesting, wildly coolperformances and incredibly neat
looking. The court looks like.
I have a hard time believingthis is what. I think this is
very stylized, because the courtis completely white.
Right? All the, all theeverything they sit on,

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everything they sit behind, isall just white furniture.
So I'm pretty sure that's astylized choice by the
filmmaker, but damn, it lookscool. So that, and that is on,
that's on for the few that haveAMC plus or for rent in a few
places. Now, is this a is itkind of like a courtroom drama,

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or is it a horror? She's it's aserial killer case, right? A lot
take lot takes place in acourtroom. Okay? It goes around
the courtroom, but it's not upso much up up like suits or
something like that. It'sdefinitely more of a
strange huh process. Okay, Iremember you talking about this

(35:49):
just recently. It really stuckwith you. Oh, yeah, really
interesting. Okay, well, thefirst of mine, that is probably
going to surprise you. This wasa a recommendation from Vanessa
way back at the beginning of theyear. Space man number four. Oh,
well that I won't talk about it.
Well, wait, we can just Yes. Goright, yeah. Well, I don't mind

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if you want to start. I will saythat it was directed by Johan
rank, starring Adam Sandler,believe it or not, Carrie
Mulligan and the voice of PaulDano as Hannis the interstellar
alien spider. And I just foundthis a really deep and beautiful

(36:33):
movie, very philosophical. AndI think probably struck me as
hard as it did because of, youknow, I as I've been getting
older, I've been examining someof my life choices and who I've
hurt with them. And I wasreally, really touched. I was
crying in this film, yeah, no, Ilove the way that they approach

(36:57):
this kind of harrowingloneliness, yeah, that he finds
himself in, and this not wantingto self, nobody's fault, but
himself, 100%as lonely as he is, yeah, for
sure, and that he made thedecisions that he did. And I
Yeah, and I loved, loved, lovedthe spider creature, alien guy,

(37:18):
so much in his obsessed,obsession with, like, Nutella.
Basically, yes, they bond overNutella. Yeah, yeah. And so
good. And his voice is just sosoothing, and he's so scary
looking at first, and then bythe end, you're like, just kind
of drowning in his beautifuleyes. Yeah, totally. You're

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like, oh god, he's perfect, thisperfect creature. It's so weird.
Oh yeah. Oh, I don't know ifI've seen that, that. Oh shit,
yeah.
This is an excellent film. Imean, it's weird because Adam
Sandler, he's such a dark horsebecause he does this to me
terrible comedy projects. Butthen he'll pull out these dramas

(38:01):
and you're like, fuck dude,just, just keep doing this
stuff. There's such a deep wellof incredible acting inside of
him that, yeah, space man,definitely I, I was, I was
cutting some my guns duringthat. I am so pleased this was
on your list. Yeah. Oh,absolutely good. Good choice.

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I guess that makes my numberfour next, which might surprise
people, what ended up being onfour was nose for art. Oh, that
was initially thought would behigher on my list. But as I went
through stuff, I realized, Imean, it is
filmmaking beauty, it isstaggering to see in in

(38:48):
the theater, but I had thatmoment, you know, watching it,
where I'm like, we need anotherDracula movie. Yeah, so still, I
will say my top five, but it'smy number two. Is it okay? So I
don't get on over to Kelly, butI'm excited to see I really want
to hear more. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, I know this is not onanybody's list. I just saw this

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this weekend. Oh.
It is called flow.
This is a Latvian animated filmdirected by
gins no ginse, sure, thisis a critically acclaimed
animated film about a cat thatlives in a world that seems kind
of post apocalyptic in some way.

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There are signs of humanity,like statues and homes and boats
and such, but you never see anyhumans, and there is this sudden
tsunami that rushes through thearea, and the cat is stranded,
but then he finds a boat with acapybara in it, and they float
off and eventually find a lemurand a secretary bird and a
Labrador retriever, and they'reall floating through this

(39:52):
flooded area like a like abiblical flood has happened and
just drowned the entire world.
And.
Right? There's like a whale init that looks very science
fictiony to me, like that. Can'tbe a real animal. Can't very
scary or something, yeah,and it has no dialog. The
animals act like animals,mostly, except that like they

(40:16):
are able to steer the boat, butthe way it's drawn is it almost
looks accidental, kind of Yeah,but except for the Secretary,
bird seems to know very much.
And anytime somebody else, likethe capybara takes over for a
bit, you're like, oh,crashes here and there. You're

(40:36):
like, Oh no, I was just sotouched by this film, and it is
a rental right now. And I waslike, I wish I had seen this in
theaters. Then I looked it up,and it's still playing in
theaters, like at The Everettcinema. I was like, I might have
to go see this in the theater.
What was really interesting itis it was built with Blender,

(40:57):
which is a free animationprogram, and this is the kind of
stuff that our buddy Wade usesto do his thing. This was, I
just thought it was gorgeous,and I, I was just like, totally
caught up in it was, like, thismovie is amazing. And then you
told me you saw it, yes, yeah,because I didn't want anything

(41:20):
spoiled. So I was like, I'm justgonna go ahead and watch this
last night,since you might be talking about
it today.
And yeah, I really enjoyed it.
It was interesting because,because it's got some kind of
specific video game vibes thatare things that I have played.
There's a game called stray, andI was wondering if they caught a

(41:44):
lot of the way in which the catacts and moves from that. But I
think they did a beautiful job,especially in the mythology, in
the world building like, I don'tknow what world this is. I don't
know when this is, because theyfloat between somewhere that's
very Asian, yeah, somewherethat's very Italian. Yes,
Italian, yeah. I was like, arewe in, like, a Roman ruins right

(42:05):
now? Like, what's going on here?
And, like, I kept kind of, Icouldn't figure out quite, what
if, what reality we were in. Wasit just true to the thing I'm
looking at, or are we in ametaphor for something? Or,
yeah, I don't know if we were ina metaphor for anything, because

(42:27):
there's really no lesson learnedby anybody, because the
characters are not characters,they're animals. So there's not
a there's not a hero's journeyor anything like that. There is
a kind of spiritual thing thathappens towards the end that I
was like, Well, I was notexpecting this. That's, that's,
I think what threw me off, Ithink they just went to heaven,

(42:47):
yeah, yeah. I was just like,that's what I was trying to
figure out, is, I was like,okay, like, it has, has the Are
they dead, and they're eachgoing through the journey into
the afterlife. Like, what ishow? Like you just but you
literally, don't know, youliterally, because it could also
be, you know, there's a cyclicalnature to it, and that you start
in a world that has a lot ofwater in it, but you can see it

(43:12):
has flooded once before, right?
Because there's like, a boat upin the trees, and then it floods
again. And it's like, you know,and are the trees just
underneath the water, or arethey being grown? Are the
caverns that are created? Isthat, like a god figured,
no, just interested. I'm justvery interested in what they

(43:33):
were trying to do, so I don'tknow. Yeah, good film. That's
good filmmaking. Yeah? No, itwas great. Yes, a really, really
strong choice. No, I just lovethat. I want people to find this
movie, and I fear that theywon't, because it's not exactly
a kid's movie, no, but I wouldnot, necessarily not what you
would expect from an animatedfilm where the cast of

(43:55):
characters is a bunch ofanimals, and it is not a talking
animal film. Yeah, you wouldexpect them to kind of interact
like that. They're just animalsbeing mostly the exact animals
that they are, yeah, with alittle bit more intelligence,
yeah, like the LabradorRetriever is kind of adorable
and stupid. He's so stupid, it'sgreat. And then they've got,
like, a shibuma, who's a fuckingasshole

(44:19):
dog. Yeah, that tracks Yeah,it's called flow. It is
available as a rental right now,and apparently still in
theaters. And I imagine it'llshow up on prime because that's
who the rental is through. And Ibelieve it is nominated for
Academy Award for animation. Oh,good, yeah. So hopefully it'll
get good distribution, good aswell.

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Well, we're on number are we onnumber three? So mine is a very
obvious one, dune part two.
Yeah, it's higher on my left. Iwill save it. Shocker, right?
Okay, here's my cheat for my topfive. Oh, okay, there's two
films in this, and I put themboth in because I thought they
were the most.

(45:00):
On being scared films I watchedthis year. Oh, and I think they,
they don't fit together, exceptin that aspect, and that's
infested. And smile too. Ohyeah, sir, not on my list. But
infested was knocked off my listbecause of flow. Yeah, I see
that. Yeah, it'sthey just were so unexpected.
Yeah. And both had incrediblycreepy scenes and a few outright

(45:23):
scares. Even the lady in thescene where they start flowing
into the bathroom and infestedJesus Christ and the scene in
her apartment when everybodystarts showing up in smile two
is just like, Oh my god. Sothese are not unknown films

(45:47):
infested, probably a little bitmore not unknown in the horror
world, right, right? Butobviously, smile two was a
massive release, but I stillthink a massive upgrade. Oh
yeah, I think it was a lotbetter than smile. But if I
hadn't decided to go with kindof unknown films, smile two
would have definitely been onit, and, like, said, infested
was on it. And I've told peoplehow scary this movie is, and

(46:10):
they're like, Yeah, but Kelly,you're scared of spiders. And
I'm like, You do not need aphobia. In fact, this may create
a phobia. Itfelt that way because, yeah, I
don't like spiders. I don't havea definitely don't have a
phobia. But that doesn't matter.
You know,creepy more about the spiders,
like the origin, you know thatfirst scene where he just kind

(46:31):
of opens a crack in the groundand these things start coming
out. I was like, Are these fromhell? Like, they're from hell.
What's the matter? So, yeah,that was a great movie. That
one's on shutter and smile too,has that. It's probably all over
the place. I don't knowit's, no, it's not. It was. I

(46:52):
think it's on paramount, orPeacock, or one of those. Okay,
I would watch that again. Ithought that was really, really
good. Yeah, such a, such a coolsurprise. I don't think I would
have checked it out if I thinkyou saw it first and recommended
it. And yeah, that I was like,oh shit, okay, I gotta see this
movie. Yeah, it's good one,okay, then number three for me,

(47:13):
probably no surprise, the wildrobot. Yep, I wondered where
that was going to show up.
I just thought this was amazing.
This is directed by ChrisSanders and starring the voices
of Lapita, Nyong'o, Pedro Pascaland kit Connor. It's gorgeous.

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It's heartbreaking, and it'sbeautiful
inside and out. I mean, storywise and everything. It's all
about a mother and what you willdo as a mother for your
children. And it's also about achild, and sometimes how fucking
horrible you can be as a childbecause you don't realize
everything your mother is doingfor you. So

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I just loved this one. I've seenit twice now. Cried throughout
the second time, because I knewwhat was coming. Yeah, it's wild
when that happens with the film.
Very cool. Yeah, reallyincredible, incredible movie. I
checked out. It was definitelyin my I was kind of like, it
should be in my five but it justdidn't quite make it. It is now
available on prime, I think so.

(48:22):
I think it's, yeah, I think it'sstreaming now. So if you haven't
seen this, I don't know, wouldyou say it's a little too
intense sometimes for kids, orjust right? Oh, God, it might be
a little intense, especiallywith the I feel like in the
beginning, there's a lot oflike, animals being animals, do
any animal stuff? Yeah, I don'tknow that kids are ready to see

(48:43):
animals and they're cruelty andthey're trying to eat each
other. Andthe easiest part, because then
there's a fire and there's asnowstorm, true fucking attack
by aliens, basically. Yeah,there's a lot going on. I don't
know. Like, if I was a kid this.
I mean, this is not that farfrom the harrowing parts of, you

(49:05):
know, Land Before Time or alldogs go to heaven. So I don't
know that it's any worse. Itlists as being on peacock for
rent a whole plus. And intheaters, still, I bet, I bet it
was up for an academy board aswell. And I think a lot of
people are pulling these filmsback in to try and, yeah, get a
couple last runs out of them.
That makes sense. That's calledthe wild robot. While we're at

(49:27):
it, flow is a rental on Amazonand is still in there. Yeah,
excellent.
So number two, so my number twois Nosferatu. Oh, nice. Yes,
yes. Which, yeah. Robert Eggers,Bill Skarsgard, doing an
incredible job. I did not knowthat it was Bill Skarsgard until

(49:48):
the credits ran like you hadsaid. It's just a shockingly
beautiful film. It feels sogorgeous and the sets.
Just, I don't know there'ssomething about the way it's
shot, and I know that they likeused new lenses for this. I'm
gonna add a very strangesensibility into what you're

(50:11):
talking about. Yeah, the veryearly part of the movie, when he
first walked out into the billthe older town, yeah,
Muppet, Christmas carol poppedinto my head, going, fuck, this
looks like the bumper ChristmasCarol, but that was a very good
set in fairness. Yes, yeah, butyeah, it's just the re the look

(50:32):
is insane. I did read somethingthat made a little more sense to
I forgot her name, but Depp'ssister's character in that the
original Nosferatu is presentedas a story of love, well, this
one is presented as a story oflust.
Then, which fits the wayNosferatu acts? And, yes, a lot

(50:55):
more. He is a little obsessive.
I mean, he was in the first one,but it was a different there's a
romanticness in silent film.
Yeah, it's not about like,conquering and holding. It's
more about just winning, yeah, amoment, yeah, yeah. But so yeah,
thanks. So this is number fouron my list, and I just thought,

(51:18):
despite some strange momentsover. I So overall, so good, and
I there are so few films thatsit in a theater and just feel
completely pulled into and it'sa little out of it, until the
scene when the carriage comes inand picks him up, and the way
it's shot with him walking downback, that's exactly what I was

(51:40):
thinking about too. That was themoment. I'm just like, All
right, yeah, that carriagescene. And it's funny because,
you know, like, I've seen theoriginal Nosferatu, I've seen
the remake Nosferatu,and there's a lot of stuff that
just feels like, Oh, this isjust an old book with a very
early idea of vampirism, andit's not really that scary. But
in this it hits home so muchbetter, like that carriage

(52:03):
moment, where you're like, it'ssupposed to be creepy, but
whatever, it's just a carriagewith bunch of smoke machine and
then in this film, you're like,fuck. That would be so intense
in the way that he's beingmanipulated within the castle
walls. You're like, okay, I cansee the confusion. I can see,
like, when you watch the oldone, you're like, just fucking

(52:23):
leave. What's your issue? Dude?
Like, you're just stupid. Okay,you're just stupid. And in this
you're like, he's not stupid. Hecan't, like, he can't do it. And
there's, there's just so manythings that just worked for me,
and it was a cool experience toget to see this story in a way
that sold it. Yeah, have youseen what he's doing next?

(52:45):
A werewolf? Yep. I wonder if, Iwonder if this werewolf will
have NARS as well.
I I'm more interested in thatsimply because it sounds like
it's a original story, but it'sgoing to be a period piece and
all that. I will admit there's,there's a lot that I just
automatically push back on,like, I think it's a little, I

(53:10):
think it's a lot pretentiousthat every costume has to be
absolutely period correct. SoI'm going to make the women wear
stuff that's uncomfortable whilethey're wearing their costume,
because that's what it was like.
Or the screws in the table andthe witch were made out of wood
and were done like that. I'mlike, Okay, this kind of

(53:30):
pretentiousness in filmmaking Ipush hard against because I
think that, you know, a thatmoney can be spent in other
places.
And also, just like, you know,it's hard enough to make a movie
when you're not forcing peopleto be uncomfortable during it,

(53:51):
also, but, but that's just me. Istill like the movie quite a
bit. Yeah. I mean, at least withthe witch, I'd say, like, it's
such a small set, and it wasprobably low enough budget, but
him spending a few extra on someof those details was probably
about the only mark he could hethought he was gonna leave in
the filmmaking world like nobodyknew. It was gonna be a hit.

(54:12):
Yeah, it could be. It could be.
But then I just was like, Well,why didn't you just have a dead
woman with a crow pecking outher breast for real? Then I
can't I can't buy any of thiswithout that realism. There's
probably legality. Might havewanted it.
Sometimes I get it. I also pushback against things that I feel

(54:34):
like are maybe pretentious. Butfor me, his stuff just works.
Well, not all of it. A field inEngland is not necessarily my
Jimmy Jam. But did you do that?
Yeah, oh, man, I hated thatmovie.
Nothing. I didn't. I thought hedid the witch the lighthouse or,

(54:54):
yeah, the Witch Lighthouseendorsement, and then this,
no, he had some.
Earlier stuff feel in Englandwas bullshit, that movie was
boring. I'm really surprised tolearn that. I think, I think my
difference be sometimes I like alittle pretentious in films
because,oh, it's a weird version. I

(55:16):
can't stand people who, if hehadn't done that was the end of
the sentence,if he had not done it full
period, there'd be a whole bunchof people up there. Well, you
know, those buttons were from1948

(55:37):
the but, and I push back againstthat a little bit more usually,
because I the reason I lovedark Maltese Falcon, the noir
film, is because of the languagethe way they speak, which is
completely unrealistic. Yeah, ofcourse, it sounds so goddamn
cool. But anyways, I'm wrong. Hedid not do a field in England. I

(56:00):
thought so too. But no, that isBen Wheatley, yeah. So
who did? Yeah? Superpretentiously, yeah. So, you
know, pretentionall young, pretentious dudes,
whatever. So my number two,number two, number one, said

(56:23):
going back and forth for awhile. My final decision to go
on the one, which one would Ilike to watch again sooner? Oh,
so my number two, between thosetwo, which I would watch a
little later, but we'll watchagain. Was the substance?
Sure this would be on your list?
Yeah, it is not Wow. It'sanything that skewers

(56:49):
the weirdness of this world soaccurately and in such a weird
manner. Still, yeah, andsuch a talented filmmaker. I
loved revenge. I thought wasalso an incredibly well done
film. And the the fun I wouldlike to be in rooms of some of
the Oscar nose in the air typeswhen this get nominated, then

(57:15):
they go and watch and go, Whatthe It's this, because it is
extreme, and it's not afraid tobe extreme, like so many films
are right now, where they'reafraid to push the boundaries.
Yeah, this one pushes all thegoddamn boundaries. Yeah, it
don't give a fuck. No, it isrough. And, you know, I have

(57:37):
this weird thing that we'vetalked about before, where, for
me, one of the hardest scenes towatch was that damn guy eating
in the restaurant, because I'vegot that wheel thing. Yeah, it
was like, but the way it ends isjust insane, yeah? And I like a
movie that goes, you know,fucking This is insane. I'm
gonna do this. And all theperformances were top notch. The

(58:00):
theCronenberg push to be ridiculous
in what you're doing, but stillmake it work. I thought was just
massively accomplished. Andit did some things. I kind of
knew where I was going to go,and then it did some things. Oh,

(58:22):
my god, yeah. Oh, did not seethat one gone, yeah. It felt
like definitely a spiritualsuccessor, not only to what
Cronenberg has set up, but ofcourse, what we saw in
malevolent, malevolent,it just it had that great point
where it was like, do we tip? Dowe just tip and jump straight

(58:42):
into the pool? Fuck it. Yeah,cannonball.
Let's just do it. Let's if youdon't like this film, then fuck
you.
That's where we're going.
Demi Moore, obviously fuckinglaying it all out there.
Gorgeous. I did see somethinglike this is only the seventh or
ninth horror film to ever benominated for Best Picture. So

(59:06):
that's pretty cool. I'm veryhappy about that.
There's this part of me thatwants, whenever Hollywood does
something like this, like kindof unexpected, for them to jump
on this film, which is sofucking weird. But I always want
to go, you guys realize talkingabout you right now you're
celebrating this film that isreally showing how fucking

(59:29):
horrible you guys all are.
So every once in a while,Hollywood jumps on top of that.
Yeah, we are. I think it's aplayer. I don't think that
they're like in on the joke atall. I mean, the people who are
the Academy, I mean, they'resuch,
I mean, like, it's not peoplethey don't know.

(59:52):
Many of you don't know, for themost part, that's other writers,
actors, stuff like that, thatare voting on these things. I
mean, it's also a lot of peoplewho.
In like, various positions ofpower that are a little bit tone
deaf. And just like, Ah, I gotthe screener in the mail. Just
check it out. All right? I'msaying this because I know one
of them. And yeah, it also hasthe element that Hollywood

(01:00:14):
loves, which is a high boxoffice performing actor who
never really got recognized,like Chinese would or
and there's a ton of them you gothrough history was, hey, this
guy's not his best movie, but weneed to celebrate this actor,
and this one has a little touchof that at least. But yeah, it
was a Best Picture, BestActress, Best Screenplay and

(01:00:38):
Best Directing, makeup andhairstyling. Those last two are
normally, what a movie like thistotally 100% but, you know, it's
still Oscars, and it helps thatthey opened it up to like 10
best pictures, you know, in thelast few years. But not
Director. Director is stillfive. Yeah, you're right.

(01:00:58):
Yeah, I am I, and I know thatpart of this, this is the
cynical part of me is like, wegot to get some movies on that
people have seen, that theyreally like. So we're gonna put
this in here. There's like, theequivalent of a Marvel movie or
something getting in so, but itwould be really nice if it
actually wins. That'd beinteresting. Yeah, it'd be, it'd
be pretty Debbie more, seemslike a front runner, yeah, yeah.

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Okay. I don't know if this is onanyone's list. We're on number
twos so strange, darling. That'sa good one. It's an alternative,
definite. Yeah. Okay. This was a2023 film that we didn't get
till 2024directed by JT molner, starring
Willa, Fitzgerald Kyle, golnerand Madison Beatty. This movie

(01:01:43):
kept me on my toes the entirefucking time.
Started with a title card thatkind of pissed me off, that this
is based on a true story and allthat. And I was like, I don't
know if it needed this, but itdid set a tone that made me go,
Is this really based on true soI like that.

(01:02:05):
I loved every minute of it,including the cinematography,
which was the film's finaltwist, because it was Giovanni
rabisi, who is a fairly wellknown actor, doing the
cinematography in this film. SoI just really liked this. I
liked this a lot more than thesubstance, and I'm not sure why,
but as much as I love thesubstance, for all of its weird

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gore and everything, this onestory wise, I was like Dad, I
wish I had written this. This isa really surprising story. Wow,
yeah, that was one that slippedthrough the cracks for me, and I
kept meaning to watch. And just,I have not got to get on that.
Yes, I definitely will. It'sinteresting. It hit me a little
weird, becauseI think some of it is watching

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so many festival submissionsover the years. It hit some
notes that a whole lot of shortfilms hit
like, Oh, I know where this isgoing, and a few of them
weren't, but there's like two orthree that I knew that hit
exactly where I thought it wasgoing to go. I think that's why
it sat me a little weird. Yeah,interesting

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number one, so I kind of knowthat neither of you would have
this one so but it was, it wasdefinitely my favorite film of
last year. It just hit me rightwhich was Ultraman rising. Wow,
I did not see this coming.
Hello, left hook.
Yeah, it it was so good. I criedreally hard during this. It's

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such a good film aboutparenthood and the relationships
we have with our own parents,and then becoming a first time
parent. It just, it hit thesenotes so well. And I don't know,
I just, I just loved this movie.
It's written, directed byShannon Tyndall, who wrote Kubo
and the Two Strings. Itwas not actually originally

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planned to be an Ultraman movie,but through a series of it and
being passed over and passedover and passed over and
finally, Netflix was like, Yeah,we're interested. What if it was
just an Ultraman movie? And thewriter was like,
Yeah, cool. I like Ultraman.
We'll do it. So you don't I lovethat element, though, because
you don't have to know anythingabout Ultraman, and I did not.

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So makes it more interesting.
Yeah, no, I know nothing aboutthat universe. I thought, oh my
god, I'm gonna watch this reallydumb movie about a thing that I
know nothing about. It's likewatching a Power Rangers, you
know, live action film when younever watched it as a kid.
You're like, I don't know whoRita is. I don't know what this
is. I don't know these minionsare and but it didn't matter. It

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didn't make if you have everseen a Japanese kaiju movie,
have any rough idea of like thatuniverse, then you are fine.
You're so ready to go. Geez. Iguess I gotta put this on the
list. I loved it. I loved it.
But, I mean, in fairness, it'salso.
I have hormones, and I had alittle hormone. It was the exact

(01:05:04):
right hormone, not exact rightmoment. So that's cool when that
happens, yeah.
Well, mine is too surprised toabsolutely no one
guess. Anyway, is it, uh, doesit start with a D and end with
an oon?
Yes. Dune, two, fuck justthis is one of the few huge sci

(01:05:25):
fi books I've read multipletimes. I've read at least three,
maybe four times, most recentlybefore the last movie came out.
Fortune part one came out. Ifinished it like a month before
it was released. And this hitsit so well, this gets the story
soas perfect as a film can get a
story as complicated as dune andI understand he's working on the

(01:05:51):
third one, so I willhopefully not be in the hospital
for a month again when it comesout in theaters. But
the for me, everything justworks in it. But interesting to
me is that the number one ratedmovie for 2024 on letterbox,

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wow, oh, that's reallyinteresting. I mean, this was my
number three. And there's justscenes in this that are, I mean,
I love this film, but there arescenes in this that stick in my
brain so hard and are so uniqueand cool, like the her Conan
home world, which literally mademe feel sick looking at it,
because the star so weird, blackand white nature, I know they I

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read that they used a lens thatmakes the skin look almost
translucent, and it just itfeels icky, which is just
perfect for that setup, bleachedout all the people and
everything was either starkblack or stark white, which
looked wild. Then they I'mgoing, what is going on here?
And then they go inside, andthey're like, you know, expect

(01:06:56):
them to look but, yeah, wow, soincredible. And then there's the
sort of final section. It's lastwhat third of the film where
there's an uprising, and the thevisuals of how the worms are
used in that last bit, I I just,I want to cheer. I'm like, fuck

(01:07:18):
yes, this is what you should bedoing people you've got these
giant worms that you know how tocontrol, like, why not use them?
Oh, okay, a funny thing happenedfor my brain. Of course,
watching that, I'm hearing thetoto music from David Lynch,

(01:07:40):
because there's the music inthat is phenomenal. Yeah,
very different, yes, but yes,but yeah. Now the
it hit me kind of like the Lordof the Rings. Movies hit. I know
some people look at movies asyou know, like something like
marriage story, where you couldtell the truth in film. I'm

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like,I can live the truth. I want the
movies to take me to a placethat may be familiar but is also
truly unique, like I thought theLord of the Rings. Movies
created a perfect alternateworld to visit as a film and
great versions of the book. Ifeel the same way about the
these two dune films. Yeah, Ilove

(01:08:24):
that. I love that description,because that's exactly why I
love science fiction. Like, 100%like, it's my favorite genre
because of that. Like, I I don'tneed it to be the most realist.
Like mumble core is my leastfavorite genre of all time.
Dogma, 95man, I've seen enough. I know
what it is. I don't want it. Ilove like when you take, you

(01:08:45):
know, real human moments, butput them in different situations
that I would never encounter.
And it's really cool. It'sreally cool to be able to see
that on film. Sothese two movies made up the
first book, yeah, and then thisthird film he's doing is just
going to be one half of the nextbook, or I've only heard of one

(01:09:06):
more films. I don't know if it'sokay, yeah, I don't know if
they're going to do more beyondthe next one. But I mean, like
he can't do all the booksanyway.
Weird. I felt so famous to thepoint where,
as a Dennis van news, as aartist, he's very artistic

(01:09:26):
minded, kind of like we weretalking about Lynch last
episode. He's got that weirdnessto him
that I think he'll get, I thinkhe'd get bored at some point. I
need to tell he's telling thisstory, and he's excited to tell
it, obviously, but Okay, timefor me to tell something else,
right? Yeah. So I couldn'timagine I'm doing two more, but

(01:09:47):
I don't know. It's hard to say,Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean,
I will see it if they do anotherone, but it feels like there's
something in the air tells methere's only going to be one
more, so we'll see. And theyalready started to talk.
OnPaul's problems that come in the
second book. They touch on thatin this one a little bit. So is

(01:10:07):
the second book prophet orMessiah?
Okay, which one's children atDan said
might have really frank,Herbert, son that took over. I
mean, I knew he took over, but,yeah, I thought children, that's
the problem with part of theproblem with the Doom bucks

(01:10:30):
there. Totally, totally.
Okay. Well, my number one isgoing to surprise everybody.
It is a little tiny film calledAll you need is death. Oh, okay,
directed by Paul Dwayne andstarring Simone Collins, Charlie
Mar and Katherine Siggins. Andthis is about the world of black

(01:10:50):
market folk songs, oh, songsthat have been recorded but are
passed down from family memberto family member they've never
been recorded. Actually, it'sset in Ireland. And these two
young lovers who trade in thismarket are always searching for
very rare songs which theyrecord. And that is a no, no.
These songs are meant for veryprivate consumption, just family

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members, usually. And of course,they get a lead on a song that
no one has heard of. And thisold lady agrees to let the young
woman hear it, but not the man,because it's never been allowed,
and so the man leaves, but theold woman doesn't know that
she's being recorded, and whenthe song is let loose,
everything goes awry veryquickly.
I will admit that this story maybe stronger than this film

(01:11:33):
actually is, but it's such aninteresting story that it really
stuck with me. I love theoriginality of it, and it's on
shutter now. It's really, reallygood. And I just want people to
find this movie and give it alittle bit of love. All you need
is death. I'm really glad youmentioned that, because I had
that on my list forever, and Ialways forget the title of it,

(01:11:55):
because I'm like, What is thatsound movie? What is that folk
song movie called? And all youneed is death is not what you
would immediately come to mindfor that fits into that sub
drama. You and I enjoy so muchof the cursed movie or the
cursed song, right? Book,whatever. Yeah? So nice. Just
one that I I really rememberwatching it and going, this

(01:12:18):
movie is fucking creepy.
So fantastic. That's our topfives of the year. You guys want
to get into other movies that welike. I was really surprised.
Nobody said, look, if I wasmaking a real list, the most
entertaining movie for me wasDeadpool Wolverine, and I
thought this would be onsomebody's list. No, I didn't

(01:12:40):
like it that much. Wow. Yeah, Iliked it quite a bit, but I was
leaning more toward it wasexactly what I expected, yeah.
And I was leaning more towardsones that pushed surprise you
further. Did something. Ithought the plot just was too
messy for me, so I just, butthat's, I mean, there was plenty
of good, fun things into it,but, yeah, I just didn't quite
crack my top. Okay, it's kind oflike, for me, the was one of

(01:13:04):
those where it's like, it's somuch fun. Yeah, seen this kind
of movie a lot. Yeah? I mean, acouple of honorable mentions.
For me, you guys have touched onmost of them already in your top
fives, but I saw the TV glowalmost made it to my list didn't
quite but it's still very cooland very interesting. And

(01:13:24):
unfortunately, I think it speaksto a really specific niche
audience, which is me andeveryone who grew up with the
same TV shows I did. So I don'tknow how far reaching this show
is. I've seen it on a lot ofpeople's list. Okay, it's a
neat, interesting it's a coolstory. And when you start to
dissect what is happening in it,or potentially happening in it,

(01:13:47):
so cool. So I loved. I saw theTV glow levelized bleeding. Was
still really good, really good.
I felt like it was thisretelling of Frankenstein, and
in that lens, it's just thisharrowing Love Story gone awry

(01:14:08):
with a girl that is really nothot in a Star Wars TV show that
she's in, but super fucking hotin this film, Jesus Christ. I'm
not talking about Kristen Dunstor Kristen like them muscle
Ladies, do you know? And yet,there's just something about
this chick. She's reallyincredible to be, yeah,

(01:14:30):
appealing, yes, 100% 100%so those were, those were two
that I thought were really cooland just didn't quite have it.
Didn't have room on here tothrow into I had one that was on
my list for a little while, butpushed off, sadly, another from
the Lovecraft festival, a DreamEater, which is a found footage
film, but one that mostly fitsits ability to be a found

(01:14:57):
footage film without.
About, you know, the, why areyou shooting this kind of stuff?
But it was the little things init, the it's a husband and wife
having issues. Wow, notoriginal, but it was done in
such a original feeling way,like, okay, these people feel
like they really know each otherand really enjoy each other's

(01:15:17):
company. And strange, sillylittle things that hit me really
well. It all takes place in aSnowden cabin, and they took so
much care to make it sound likevery rarely does a movie capture
what it's like to walk aroundsound wise and snow that's
frozen over on top, yeah. Andthis nails it. It sounds so

(01:15:38):
cool. It's like, okay, this ismaking me feel in this movie
more, because they're nailingthat so well. And basically
there's like three or fourpeople, I think four people,
including the director.
Well, they're three of them gotdirectors credits, but I think
there's like four people madethis movie. Wow. And just does.

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But so few major made foundfootage style films are able to
pull off nice to the kind of sittogether. For me, I think they'd
make a nice double feature wouldbe stop motion and the oddity.
Yes, sure, I agree. I thoughtthat those two movies were

(01:16:21):
really good, and I almostthought the stop motion might
even make it onto my list, butboth of those are in my
alternate and both were close tobeing on my list there because
they're both original andinteresting
oddity, maybe less so, but itexecutes so perfectly. Stop
motion is bizarrely unique andfun. I think it fell into that

(01:16:43):
oddity thing with me, though,that I thought it was gonna go
somewhere, and it did go where Ithought it was gonna go. So I
was like, Okay, this was cool,and it was just inherently
creepy, because stop motionphotography is Yeah, but
I just didn't, it just didn'tmake it. It was really good, and
it just didn't make didn't makeit on the sure five, yeah,

(01:17:06):
and the others,yeah. I mean, I the only other
thing I would talk about ismaybe some of the really good TV
shows that came through thatcaught my attention. We had a
really great year for TV. I knownot everybody agrees with me,
but I loved True Detective thisyear. That was great, really
dark and strange. Best one sincethe first Yeah, I loved it.

(01:17:29):
There was a show called TheBrother Sun, which was a kind of
comedy kung fu series about twobrothers, one of whom is was
raised to be a killing machine,the other of which is kind of
like semi dropping out of acommunity college and a very
strict mother, who, of course,is played by, oh my god,

(01:17:52):
amazing Michelle Yao. Oh sojust, just a really cool series,
Shogun came out this year. Soneat to see that such a good
book. God, it's so good. X Men,97 I liked Agatha, and then, of
course, prodigy and lower deckswere both awesome. So

(01:18:13):
and one more movie went to hitback that kind of faded as the
year went on. It's barely on theedge of being 2024 but Late
Night with the devil, yeah,people's list. And I was like,
Was that just this last year?
2023 or something? I was, Iremember last year it was on my
list to watch, and it wasn'tcoming out. It wasn't coming out
during the festival, right? Soit came out in January.

(01:18:38):
Believe it, January was a so2024 yeah, that definitely a
good one.
I was surprised to see that wehad two non exploitation films,
right? Yeah, immaculate and thefirst omen. I know you liked
immaculate better. I liked thefirst Omen better. I don't know

(01:18:59):
about I only saw one of the two.
Still, I need to check outimmaculate so I've only seen
first omen. I thought it was asolid film. Yeah,
perfect. Except for the lastline.
I was like, fuck you all stop.
And then I also had on here,just films that I liked but

(01:19:20):
didn't love, alien Romulus was,you know, those better than I
thought it was going to be, butnot as good as I hoped. Yeah,
exactly when it did well. It didreally well, that's for sure.
Yeah, Salem's Lot was fine,yeah,
and then Abigail, yeah, Abigailway better than I thought it

(01:19:41):
would have been. No one sawAbigail coming. I mean, I just,
I don't know from the trailer, Ididn't realize just how fun and
good it was gonna end up being.
So that was a great film.
Couple of the humans, vampiresseeking suicidal person is
pretty good, along with, if I'ddone a top five in your style.
This would have been on the listthe last stop in Yuma county.

(01:20:03):
Oh, because that is really goodand just doesn't seem to be
talking. I forgot about thisuntil you just mentioned it, of
course, yacht rock. Oh yeah,that was just this year, wasn't
it? Yeah. Oh no, was it 2025 Ithought it just came out. It
lists 2024 Okay, well, we'll dothe festival math for that one.

(01:20:26):
Oh, and one that I ended upenjoying a lot more than I was
expecting to was speak no evil,because it's one of the rare
things for the original versionI fucking hated almost, because
the people were somalleable and would just do
anything to avoid any kind ofproblem, up to and including
getting their kid beaten up andas harassed. Well in this one,

(01:20:50):
they kind of fought back alittle bit better when it really
came down to it, and I thoughtthat I found it a much more
satisfying film overall becauseof that nice Wow.
Well, anything else, guys, man,2024 What a cool year. All

(01:21:11):
right. 25 surprisingly good.
Yeah, I have high expectationsfor this year. I need to be
entertained constantly. Please,please. No, terrific.
I did watch it. Oh, did you?
I was like, wow, this is alljust an extended killing spree.

(01:21:33):
So I thought it might not be forme, and I was right.
But cheers on the box office,absolutely, yeah, no kidding,
that's great. Well, okay, Ithink we are going back to our
regular scheduled programmingwith the next episode, which
means Vanessa, you have to comeup with something. What are you
talking about? I kind of want tocarry on, at least for me, what

(01:21:56):
we were doing before, and I wantus to each choose a John Cusack
movie. What? Yeah, this is love,yeah, that's, that's might be
pushing for genre stuff, but Idon't know he's done. There's
some good stuff. There's somecrazy shit out there. Like, I,
every time I look, I'm like,Man, you were in a lot of, like,
wild films, yeah, especially ifyou get, like, the Tony Colette,

(01:22:21):
where I did velvet buzz sour,she's really only in a handful
of scenes. You and yeah, thatexpands his volume a lot, yes.
And thank you to my sister forthe suggestion, because she was
like, why didn't you guys talkabout John Cusack? He's my
favorite so. And I was like,Aha, why didn't we talk about
John Cusack? You've already done2012 in some disaster episodes,

(01:22:41):
I don't think I have. The mostunbelievable thing in that movie
is when they flash his licenseplate, and you look at it, it
says he's like, 37 years old.
But I call bullshit on this.
John. Nice try, though,incredible.
Okay, I like John Cusack, yeah.
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