June 19, 2025 • 63 mins
325 1970s SCI-FI!
The gang reconvenes for a spirited discussion of their 1970s sci-fi movie picks!
Also discussed: Bring Her Back, Final Destination: Bloodlines, Sinners, and Karate Kid Legends.
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The one that my brothers had that got me into
Ninja Turtles, where, like, theyhad bought it, and I, I don't
know which one, and I grabbed itand thought it was because it's
black and white. I thought was acoloring
book. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I breakyour concentration?
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Somewhere between science andsuperstition.
Such sites to show you,strange eons, welcome, strange
eons radio. That is Eric overthere. Hello. That is Vanessa
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over there. Hello, and I amKelly. We've been doing this
every other week thing now, andI gotta tell you, it confused me
last week when I was like,where's my episode at?
I realized, oh, there's noepisode this week because I
said, No.
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Very strange. But a couple otherpeople reached out to me too,
like our friend Jeffrey Gould,who's also known as Joffrey to
Vanessa,better, better. But he reached
out and said,Did you mention something about
the episode not coming on thisweek or something? And I said,
Yes, we have gone to a two weekschedule. And he said, You know
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what? I remember that now.
What a very valuable Thank you,listeners for your care and
consideration. We miss you too.
He's been sending me ever sincehe sent me that that ghost
thing, he's been sending me abunch of haunted ghost videos.
Oh my god, and I've gone downthe rabbit hole on a couple of
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these that are pretty fuckingcreepy. So, oh, fun, yeah. The
worst is, like, when you guysshare something like that, and
I'm like, finally catching up onour conversation feed as I'm in
bed, trying to go to sleep, andI'm like, You fuck down in the
dark with the lights out,anything could be in here with
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me. I've got this in my head.
Yeah. There you go. Yeah.
Best way to read horror novelsindeed. This is why I don't read
horror novels.
It's fine.
I've seen some movies, you guys.
I finally got to see.
Oh, all right. Oh, okay. Whatwas your take on it? Very good.
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It's interesting. I have heardfrom people who who really loved
it. Eric, it went into your top10 films of all time,
immediately, potentially, Yeah,gotta see it again, of course.
And then I've heard from peoplewho hated it, yeah. I was like,
Why did you hate it? Well, thevampires were stupid. Were they
stupid? Well, they weren't cool.
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I was like, No, they were Irish.
I guess that's not very cool.
I think I wanted them to maybebe 30 Days of Night, you know,
terrifying monster, vampires orsomething. I was like, this is
a, this is a bad argument forhating this film. Yeah, I read,
uh, some guy's take on it, likeyesterday. I think that was,
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that was, it wasn't thatspecific, but it was all about
the vampire part of the movie.
I'm like, well, that part wasfine. It was entertaining, and
that was fun. I love the musicpart. That was the so boring. It
took so long for anything tohappen, like you ever watch from
dusk till dawn, dude, this hasbeen done. Yeah. It's a very
unconventional storytellingmethod. So I can see why people
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who have very specificexpectations that if you do not
meet, they will hate. Sure,like, I can see that happening.
So it makes a lot of sense to methat people would backlash. But
I I feel like it's too badbecause they're really missing
an opportunity to enjoysomething different and like, I
don't know, not a sequel, yeah,by the black people.
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Without getting into spoilers,I had talked a little bit to you
what some of my issues were, theone
that the one missed opportunityI really thought they were going
to kind of somehow pull in theidea that these white vampires
came and stole the black man'smusic. And I was like, this is
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where we're going with this,right? They could come here and
become, you know, bluesmanvampires after they leave and
all this. And that didn't happenat all. I was like, Oh, this is
kind of a missed opportunity,yeah. And it had the one trope
that I really, really hate inany kind of siege movie, which
is when somebody specific dies,everybody pauses, including the
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bad guys who are attackingeverybody. They all are like,
hey, a little respect. Thisguy's girlfriend just got
killed. Yeah, we all like thisguy, right? Okay, game on.
100 and I hate that, and I thinkthere are very easy ways to
write those kind of things outof stories, because it just
drags me out immediately. Whilesomeone is having a very
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passionate death scene, I'mlike, What's happening with all
the vampires who are attackingand in fact, they're getting in
their dancing we actually seethem in the background just kind
of standing there. I was like,I was doing great with this
movie. Why did you make methink, Yeah,
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but what a great movie, and whata great soundtrack. I think I
sent you the the releasing thedouble LP. Whoa, that's pretty
cool. The scene with the musicwhen he first plays at the club,
that existent, that weird dreamlike thing, it's just like, fuck
this when it goes into the nextgeneration.
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There's also a scene there atthe end that I really enjoyed.
And if I'm being honest, thismovie is
a lot of similarities to fromdusk till dawn. Oh, yeah, if I'm
being honest, the story I wouldhave rather seen is whatever
happened between this movie andthat end scene when the two
people show up in the clubagain. I was like, that's the
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story I wanted to see. So ifthere's a sinners too, yeah, I
hope that we get to seeeverything between there. Yeah,
oh my god. Can you imagine allthe encounters? Like, because I
was sure that maybe he'd becomelike a vampire hunter, because
he has, like, the knowledge, youknow, and he's got the big scar,
and, you know, those guys withthose strange stories, with the
supernatural, and then he wouldrecognize, anytime somebody
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comes in to, like, hear his bandplaying utterly. It's like, oh,
fuck, does he like? Is this histhing? He just invites them in,
and then he takes him on. Butyeah, I can't
remember what I was gonna saynow, this is something about the
music.
Yeah. I just yeah, it'savailable streamer rental now,
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so if he's been sitting on it,don't sit on it anymore. It's
really, really good, really,really good for dinners.
Well, I watched FinalDestination bloodlines. Did
either of you guys got a chanceto I haven't. Okay. I was a
little surprised that I have aweird bit. I'd love this series,
not in that. I think it's great,sure, no, no, but entertaining.
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I was surprised. A lot of peopleseem to have that opinion. And
yeah, they liked it. Did youlike it? I did. Oh, cool. So,
which is weird, because it'salso a comedy. Oh yeah, they've,
except for the first one,they've pretty much all been
comedies. I think I've only seenthe first three, so that's
probably on me and I, and it'sbeen a long time, like, it's
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been a very long time, but,yeah, I like, I mean, I love the
first one. I like the concept alot. I like the way that they
set a lot of these stories up,and these little vignettes of,
like, horrible deaths, so I butI had very low expectations of
bloodlines, just because it'slike, okay, and, like, the the
trailer is like a full scenefrom the film. And I was like,
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Are you, Oh, weird? Kidding?
Like, Great, I'm gonna have tosit through the scene again when
I see the movie, which I neverenjoy, um, but it's so well
told, and just really hits thisspecific strand of humor. It
knows what it is, and it leansso into it. It's just really
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enjoyable. It had a lot ofsimilarities to me, to the
monkey in that way. Oh, okay,yeah. Like it felt like a
spiritual sibling or cousin tothat film. Like, it just, I
don't know, like, it's not, it'snot perfect, but like, it's
really fun. It's probably thesecond best one, to be honest.
That's kind of, that's what I'vebeen hearing from people that
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really love the series. Yeah, Iwould, I would definitely check
it out. I think it's, I don'tknow there's, there's a couple
of moments in it when I thinkback, I'm like, that is fucking
hilarious. But there's alsoplenty of, you know, just like,
stupid shit in there too. But Ireally do think that it's, it's
a film that knows exactly whatit is, and it just goes for it,
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and it's smart and it's clever,and, like, the gruesome, weird
deaths are so fucking gruesomeand so weird and so well told
ahead, and you're just like, ohmy god, is that gonna kill you?
No,no, that almost killed you, but
not. It's just, it's a lot offun. Now you're dead, and now
you're dead.
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What number sequel is this? Ithink it's six. Yeah, I thought
there was a final destinationsix already. So I thought we
were late or something. I don't,I honestly don't know, but from
what I've heard around theether, I think it's six. But who
knows? I know that. Is it HBO orsomebody who's got all of them
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in their top 10? All of them arein the top seven.
Like, out of complete order aswell. So it's like number one,
and then it's like 532,whatever. It's like, okay,
everyone's got the greatestopening, I guess, like the log
one is probably sure right upthere in the top three. Yeah,
kind of ballsy to call itbloodlines when, like one of the
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worst Hellraiser subtitles isbloodlines, once you avoid a
really bad I really feel like itknows what it's doing. Okay,
very cool.
So earlier this week, I thinklove death and robots Season
Four came out, yeah, and Iwatched all of them.
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Overall, there's some reallygood ones. Yeah, couple real
stinkers. But are not realstinkers, just kind
of the Close Encounters of themini kind is ridiculously
adorable. It's cute. Yeah, haveyou seen any? It's like, you
know, the tiltto make things look miniature.
It looks, I mean, it's animated,so it's done directly, but
that's what it looks like. It'slook like tilt shift shooting.
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That's so cute.
I also really liked how Zeke gotreligion, which was the World
War Two. Yes, I love that. Sogood. Let's see. Skip the ones
that are okay. Butwas it 400 boys, yeah, the art
in that one with the postapocalyptic, yeah, the art is so
cool. I pulled out a little bitwhen it looks like video game
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art, because, okay, yeah, thatlooks really good at all. But it
looks looks like the cut sceneof, yeah, video game yeah, and I
was pulled out of forgot whichone it was. Oh, the screaming of
the Toronto so, yeah, becausethe guy doing the main vocals,
and my kind of, this guy is kindof a weak actor, but he sounds
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really familiar. And it was Mr.
Beast. Oh the YouTube guy, ohthe guy with the cookies.
Okay, an actor, apparently not,because I thought he was oddly,
it was a weird combination of hesounds like he knows what he's
doing, but he's just notdelivering these lines. Well,
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yeah, because that's what hedoes on his show, is announce
shit that's going on. Oh, okay.
But instead of it being natural,sounding like his show generally
does. It sounded like he wasreading lines. It's very weird.
It's kind of a neat one, but Iremember that one I was kind of
bored with about halfwaythrough. I like how it ended,
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but, but otherwise I was likethis. This didn't need to be
nine minutes long. Could havebeen. And it's also one of the
computer looking kind of ones.
And of course, for he can creepwith the cat, the cats, yo, yo.
You can check that oneout of that one and the other
one with the cat. And the AIrobot was very cute. Are these
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all about 10 minutes long? Them?
I think very long. It might be17 minutes. And there's one
that's like five plus. If youlook at the runtime, that's the
shitty one. One of them is a redhot chili pepper song. Oh yeah,
I knew you'd love that one. Andit's just David Fincher, of all
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people. It's just a video of asong. And I was like, that
sounds very I can't wait to getpast this to see what this
episode is about. It was thesong I was furious. Oh my god.
Well, I mean, there's definitelythings against you for that one
at the right from the beginning,being the big red hot chili fan
that you are,but the Oh yeah, smart
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appliance stupid owners as theother cat one, yeah.
But overall, well worthwatching. But when you watch
them too, you Oh man, it's 15minutes long. The credits for
every one of them are, like, twoto three minutes long. Yeah? So
the vignettes are actuallyshorter than you think they're
going to be. Remember, thisstarted life as it was supposed
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to be, areboot of the heavy metal
animated movie, really, DavidFincher had been attached to it
and everything. And then thatall fell apart. And then all of
a sudden, this shows up onNetflix, and it was like, Oh, I
see what happened. You alreadygot shit going on, and you're
like, well, I'll do it myself.
Then fuckgot enough money to put a 10
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animated charts together. And Ithink that, you know, every
season is hit or miss, but I'dlove to grab like, two out of
all of these and put together areal movie from this. Because
you know thatthat how Zika religion I was
like, did you notice that sogood? A lot of the best ones
were actually based on shortstories too, that were adapted
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from novelists and stuff likethat. And that Zeke one was one.
I was like, I'm gonna have tofind this now, because I want to
read the story. I was just aboutto ask you, did you look it up?
Because I would love to readthat. Because that one was
unexpectedly.
Good. It started off going on,this would be all right, but by
the end of like, Yeah, reallygood. That is called love death
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and robots, and it is onNetflix. Okay, what do I want to
talk about?
I've seen a lot. I guess I willtalk about Karate Kid legends.
Oh, really, that's the movieone okay, and it is better than
it has to be okay and reallycute, and actually goes in,
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believe it or not, a area that Iwas like, I did not see this
coming in, this very formulaicseries of films that all follow
the same thing. Yeah, it didsomething different with it. And
then, of course,it did the weird thing of
bringing together Jackie Chanfrom the reboot, and then what's
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his name,Daniel LaRusso, you know,
because in this Jackie Chan'scharacter knows Mr. Miyagi and
comes to visit the Miyagi dojoand ask for Daniel's help
training this student. It's,what do you
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want from these movies, kids,you know, fighting Kung Fu
and karate in in New York Citythis time. Oh, wow, big city
fight. How's the kid in it?
Like, really good. Yeah, I lovedhim, make or break, yeah. Well,
putting that Will Smith, was itWill Smith's kid? Or was
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it that one was combination of alittle young, yeah, for the kind
of story, and not quite ready tobe the guy kind of carrying a
movie? No, no, this kid is greatand, and there's a lot of
surprising actors who pop up,and you're just like, Oh, I'm
glad to see that this guy isstill working and stuff like
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that. Does it feel like itcontinues on from where the show
left off? So I'll be honest, Istopped watching the show. And,
yeah, same here. I assume thatit does, because,
you know, it shows up at theMiyagi dojo and there is nobody
there. And I was like, Oh, Iwonder if this ended. I
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mean, because it ended ended,right? Yeah, show ended,
canceled. Her ended, yeah, Ithink it ended. And, I mean,
they would have milked that cowfor all of time,
right? So yeah. And this timethe they, of course, have to amp
everything up. So the tournamentis basically street fighting in
the various boroughs of NewYork. Oh, wow. But it's a
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sanctioned fight, and it justhappens in like, you know, an
alleyway for this one or, youknow, it's almost like watching
a video game.
I had a lot of fun with it. Thatsounds a lot more interesting
than I was expecting, Eric, youwill like, I'm not sure that you
will like,it's always, I know I'm a little
bit of a mixed bag, but so areyou out there? I sometimes think
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that I know exactly what you'regoing to be into. And I
disaster. Lee, wrong.
Speaking of which,I went and saw
a film called friendship, whichstars,
it's Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd.
Are you guys into Tim Robinson?
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Yeah, he's done some really goodstuff. He's funny, yeah, yeah. I
like a lot, not, not in thisone, huh? So I like Paul Rudd a
lot. And I was like, Listen,everyone, yeah, I know exactly
like I saw clueless, I hadfeelings, so
i don't know i I'm, as you guysknow, I don't have much of a
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sense of humor, or a veryspecific sense of humor, is kind
of out. That's probably moreaccurate. Yeah, I have a very
specific sense of humor, and soI have, long ago said to my
husband, hey, why don't youwatch that show without me?
Because I'm not really into thisTim Robinson show, or shows or
whatever it is he gets up to.
Don't find him very interesting.
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I thought, is this a movie or aTV show? This is a movie. Oh,
okay. And so when this moviecame out, I was like, maybe
it'll have a little of sense ofhumor, but it's Paul Rudd, so
it's probably just like a comedythat he had no it's like Tim
Robinson style, like skit over afilm length and ahead of time.
At some point, I ate something Ishould not have, I don't know
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exactly what, but I had everincreasing food poisoning coming
upon me while sitting throughthis movie. That doesn't help.
Nothing. Nothing about this filmmade it pleasant or interesting
to me personally. It was sort oflike, okay, I guess I'm watching
some people act, and that's fun.
Good job for you guys. Andthat's it.
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I don't know it's. I don't likeit. I, I'll be honest, I haven't
heard anything about this oranything. Really,
I've seen the poster. That's it.
Yeah, no, it's, it's the storyof, like, a guy who gets like a
new neighbor, and they becomelike, man, best friends, and
then just best friends whenthey're men. No, they call it.
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What do they call it? When? Likeguys bromance? Yes, they form a
touching bromance. And then PaulRudd cut. That makes it sound
really different when you usethat word, though. Oh, well, I
don't know what they get up to.
You never know. You know, guysdo what guys do. I'm not gonna,
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I'm not gonna judge that. That'sup to them, so as long as it's
consensual.
So anyway, so Tim Robinson,being the awkward one, of
course, does some weird stuff.
Paul Rudd cuts off theirfriendship, and then Tim
Robinson goes off the deep end,trying to regain the friendship,
and not understanding why thefriendship broke off, and being
like overly needy. And it goesinto weird places. And I don't
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know that the story really has abeginning, middle or end.
Probably beginning, Idon't know about the rest,
starts at some point. It ends atsome point. Yes, there is a time
that ticks by. There's a clockthat exists for this film. So,
yeah, so that's the setup. It's,it's got Kate Mara in it. She
does a great job. But I don'tknow, I think a lot of people
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thought it was very funny. Itwas filled with a theater. I
mean, it was like a late nightscreening, like 10pm pretty
small theater, completelyfilled. Oh, wow. So it was
popular amongst its fans. I justwas not one of them. And I just
sat there thinking nothingduring Yes, okay, very much so.
And I was like, I'm so glad thatAustin's having a good time.
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I can't wait to empty out thisbucket, this popcorn bucket,
really quick here, and I spent,yes, the next 12 hours. I'm
throwing up, but definitely notbecause of the film so well,
okay, little niceness there.
Friendship, friendship. I'mgonna look for it. You should
watch a trailer, and you decideto yourself, if this is for you.
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So I wantto see the seemingly horror
movie of the moment, apparently,on its last day in theater, I
think, called bring her back.
No, oh no, that means I missedit. Either of you seen this one?
No, okay, talk to me. Yeah,thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, fun
kind of scary movie. It wasactually scary at times. And
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people calling this movie ascary movie, I think, are way
off base. It's a horrifyingmovie. Is it like hereditary?
Like, it's just like a darkerthan hereditary man? It is dark
as fuck. Yeah. It is deeplydepressing. And the Yeah, the
end image is still burned in myhead, and it's not a, it's not
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like the predator, the headthing, or anything like that.
It's it's a very stagnant image,but it's just like, fuck me, and
it's brutal. It is really hardto watch. If I don't know if I
would recommend anybody with asmall child, check this film out
unless you are really knowingyou're gonna go into some
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horrible, dark shit.
I'll go step further. This is avery good film. I would never
recommend it to anyone. Yeah,that's fair.
I texted everybody in the in theguys thread and bring her back.
I need a fucking hug. That'sthat is what I heard from a film
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reviewer I really like, was justthat it's very depressing. And
so I kept putting it off becauseI was like, Well, I don't really
feel like being depressed rightnow. Paying money for depressing
is being nice to it. It'sbrutal, it's depressing. It's
also like before any of thesupernatural stuff happens, my
anxiety just kept getting rampedup by how crazy this person was
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in the film and the things shewas doing to this young child
and and I was just like going, Iam really wigged out by this
character and this movie. Andnothing supernatural has
happened yet? Yeah, it's alreadythe worst situation in the
world. If none of the horrorstuff, right? Yeah, if the stuff
that's going on with Oliverwasn't happening, it'd still be.
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The performances are universallyamazing. Yeah, the kid Oliver,
who's on the the poster, I don'tknow how you get a kid his age
to pull off what he did, yeah,but Jesus, he is really good. It
is an astoundingly well mademovie. It is also a movie I will
never watch again. No way. Neverlook at a butcher knife. The
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same, without flashing rights toparticular Yeah.
Where I was Vanessa. I waswatching it like this.
I wantedto, and he has two or three
scenes like that. I knowthe how old is the candidate?
There's three kids. The one thatEric was talking about is
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probably 11. There's a, there'sthen a, you know, a young man,
18, maybe, and then his youngersister, who's maybe also 11,
yeah, somewhere around, andshe's basically blind, yeah,
fantastic. The older brothers,fantastic.
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The foster mom is fantastic.
But I mean, this felt like amovie where I was like, I don't
feel like this, the womanplaying the foster mom will ever
get another role, because peoplewill be like, No, we can't hire
her. She's horse. Yeah, shedidn't have such a pedigree of
work. And this is the it's likewhat's his name from Henry
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portrait of the theater killer.
Took me years to watch him andanything else without going,
Nope, you're one creepymotherfucker. But, I mean, I
talked to me, and now this bothastoundingly good films in
completely different ways. Yeah,it's yeah, it's crazy, because I
feel like this person, I mean,the word isn't right. Torture
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porn is not right. I wonder ifthey're creating new genre like
depression porn. It is, no,there's, it's an ongoing thing
with I've talked about in theshow a lot, where last couple
years there's been thisundercurrent of family drama,
horror, yeah. And this is thatturned way the hell up. And it
is. It's all family based, yeah,and it's all just dark and
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vicious, and it's also griefhorror, yeah, the lengths a
person will go to when they losesomebody and stuff like that,
which is, you know, kind ofcommon now, yeah,
but, yeah, what a film. Theproblem was, I, for me, I
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watched nothing about this. Ijust saw like, people posting
about it and saying, oh,scariest movie ever since, like,
this isn't scary, it'shorrifying. It's hard to watch,
but it's not a movie. When Ithink of a scary movie, I think
of like, terrified, or talk tome, or something like that.
Where it's creepy and scary, butit's there's a twist of fun to
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it, yeah? Where it's notentirely based, it's like
horrors of life, yeah, differentlovers of anxiety. It's like,
yeah, that's good me, yep.
So yeah, bring her back. So thatwas the last day in theaters. So
I think so, yes, be coming tostreaming very quickly. Yeah,
because I wanted to, I wonder,is planning going on a Thursday?
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And I looked up like,didn't seem to be playing any
place on a Thursday. I saw goWednesday.
Mark Rauner texted me, and hewas like, my review for bring
her back is up? Have you seenit? And I said, No, I really
want to. And he said, Don't readmy reveal, but call me when
you've seenI just texted him afterwards. I
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was like, I could use a fuckinghug.
And, yeah, well, I can't wait tosee what they do next. Oh, hell
yeah, they're definitely I hopeit's talk to me. You know, where
somebody else goes, to the hand?
What I mean? No, I mean, that'swhat it is. It is talk to me. Is
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the sequel to talk to me. No,it's already but I wasn't sure
why they didn't go right tothat, why they went to
a different story in the sameuniverse this film, no, well, I
mean, there's no no connectivetissue, unless there's something
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in the background that them aswriters are going, Hey, this is
actually, did it? Yeah, look atthe beer bottle. It's the same
company. When she goes to playin the the
sports place the guy that shehits is actually
so, I mean, talk to me, had somepretty graphic, you know,
imagery and stuff like that. Butyou're right. There's something
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about being scared by asupernatural thing that is fun.
That's why we love these movies.
There nothing fun? You can bringher back, just
so you think, okay, they've gonedeep enough. Nope, guess what?
Yeah, here's something else.
Yeah, cool. Well,why don't we take a little break
and we can wash our brains ofthe movie, and then when we come
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back, we are talking about scifi from the 70s.
Alpha team in danger. This isspace 1999, Eagle, one
spaceship. Alpha, good.
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Control, we have contact. Youcan jettison the cockpit and
engines, then link them up. It'smini Eagle One in visual
contact, alpha control, look upis a go and their Eagle One
rescue phase is complete.
Space 1999 Eagle One spaceshipcomes with three inch figures.
Assembly Required you fromMattel,
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and we are back, Eric, this wasyour sub genre pick. That's
right, we're twisting andturning out
into the same area again, okay,1970s sci fi, yeah, the year the
dystopian horror or sci fi filmkind of had its reign. You don't
say, I mean, I know mine ispretty,
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pretty rough. You want to startus off then, alrighty, give you
five minutes.
So I'm starting off in 1972with Silent Running,
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a space convoy on a strangevoyage carrying a rare cargo,
the forests, the plants, thegrowing things doomed to
extinction on Earth,we have just received orders to
abandon and nuclear destruct Allthe forests
and return our ships tocommercial services.
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Oh, you can'tblow up this forest.
Silent RunningCataclysm in outer space, every
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moment, bringing its own dangeras man explores the mysteries of
an unknown and limitlessuniverse. Valley,
forge. Valley, forge. What thehell's wrong? You're moving out.
You're accelerating. I've got apremature damnation on door
number two, and I've got anexplosion in the main carbon
deck. Now please advise meimmediately, give me Barker. I
can't find Barker. I can't findwolf or Keenan either. I'm
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afraid Neil that they might havebeen in dome number two, number
one.
Meet the almost human drones,amazing companions on a journey
beyond the stars,and you know it.
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Hear Joan Baez sing, rejoice inthe sun and Silent Running you
listen, Lowell, if you continueas is, we figure you'll hit The
northeastern caucus centers outof ring tomorrow morning. You
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uh, this is available rent in alot of different places. It's
not a hard film to findthe director by Douglas Trump
belt, who did brainstorm Back tothe Future the ride,
tons of shorts. Main thing hewas known for is doing effects.
He did, like, 2001 closeencounters, the first Star Trek
movie, Blade Runner,the man who killed Hitler and
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then Bigfoot. Oh, that him,yeah, as a as the effects guy,
oh, okay,written by Derek Washburn, who
wrote extreme prejudice and TheDeer Hunter.
Interesting pedigree for this,Michael simono, who also was
involved in the deer hunter andwrote Year of the Dragon rose,
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Magnum Force. And Steven Bucha,who? Bucha. Who? If you've
watched any TV, you mightrecognize his name. He did 216,
episodes of NYPD, blue, Doogie,Howser, cop rock. Oh, right Hill
Street Blues. So he, he had a,he had a time in the 80s, actor,
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lead actors, Brewster, who.
Seen in kinds of stuff,including recently The Hateful
Eight tail box murder toolbox,murders to last man standing.
And, of course, the burbs, yes,well over 200 credits Cliff
pots, who's best known forIronside, live and die again,
and Lou Grant and a whole lot ofTV. And Ron Rifkin is an LA
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Confidential and 105 episodes ofalias.
So pretty strong acting grouphere. This is,
starts off a beautiful anothermovie, starting off with
beautiful close up shots ofvegetation, this time flowers
andother life forms existing and
Dern, I'm assuming they did thisbecause they didn't want to
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watch him swim naked. But forsome reason, beautiful, all this
stuff. Then he gets in thislittle like water area and swims
through it, and it's muddy ashell, like, um,
which it's not later on in themovie either.
Okay, I see what you did there,but as you're watching, it
starts to pull out further andfurther in your life. You're
inside kind of a bio dome areain space, and he taking care of
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everything. And then you get abunch of, probably would be
termed nowadays, tech bro kidtypes, driving these cool little
four wheelers around that theyused to get around the station,
but they're running over hisvegetation and all this stuff,
and he's flipping out. Not beingreal happy with them. They are
flying in the Valley Forgespacecraft located out by
Saturn. They also have a bunchof these little two legged
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robots that kind of look likethe little two legged robots
from Star Wars, except theyactually have people in them.
People want to walk around inthem.
Butthe great little segment in a
poker game where theyestablished that Bruce is
definitely in his own thinkingon this area. And it's this
really well written scene ofwhat could just be simple
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exposition, but done in a waythat at least makes it
interesting to listen to wherethey explain why they're there,
or what they're doing, sort of,but that they've been out in
space for a while, and theydon't get in a lot of details of
what they're doing, but it'sjust well done. See, it's very
interesting, fun to watch, butthen they get notification to
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destroy all the bio domes. I'mjust calling them that they
don't call them that. But andreturn home
for whatever reason, theexperiments over or they're not
real detailed. But of course,Bruce is not happy about this,
because he spent your whole timemaking a thing. And there's not
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just plants, there's like littlebunnies and animals running
around in the area as well, andthey're just gonna blow
everything up.
And the of course, the otherthree guys are excited to get
back, because in the world,there's no disease, no poverty.
Everyone has a job. The picture,temperature is 75 degrees over
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the whole world. But there's noart, there's no music,
everybody's the same. There's novegetation and no trees.
And Bruce was planning on beingcoming back like his hero, where
he would bring back thevegetation and regrow the planet
and stuff and all that's out thewindow.
So of course, the guysautomatically just Jive into
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starting to blow things up.
Bruce is having none of that,and shit goes sideways in really
interesting ways. It's a prettysmart film, well worth watching.
I'll leave it at that at thatpoint to see where it goes. But
highly recommended if you likesci fi, especially 70s sci fi,
because it's definitelylate 60s, early 70s feel to it.
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Do a couple quick notes here.
There's a song sung a few timesby Joan Baez. My favorite.
It fits the thing, but themusic, which is pretty good and
fairly unique, is done by a guynamed Peter Schickel,
better known as PDQ Bach,and this was the first
soundtrack he'd ever done. Thedirector heard him on the Joan
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Baez album because he's a rangeror something for her, as Peter
had no idea. PDQ Bach, who's avery successful kind of comedy
music guy who that was, but hehired him based on the Baez
work, and he actually did reallywell. It got some neat music in
it.
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And Bruce during claims he wasthe 17th person
to be offered the role. Oh, wow,oh, my God, but
yeah, pretty good. Have eitherof you seen this one? So I guess
maybe I need to give thisanother shot. I remember this
being really slow. I don't thinkI finished it. It's not a speedy
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film. It is definitely an early70s film. Mm.
But I didn't have a problem withit, maybe because the last few
years all the weird, slow shitI've been absorbing,
and yeah, I didn't find itparticularly slow. Solaris is
definitely slower. Yeah, Iremember watching this way,
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like, a long time ago. So I'mprobably due for a re watch as
well. I mostly remember the it'sHuey Dewey and Louie. This is
where the robot, yes, yeah, Iremember being like, ah,
insert meme here.
Okay, silent, running. Well,maybe I'll put that on tonight.
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Vanessa, you want to go next?
Absolutely, I'm going to go witha really obvious pick for the
70s Invasion of the BodySnatchers from 1978 oh.
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They come from a dying world.
They drift through the universe,pushed on by the solar winds.
They adapt, and they survive.
The function of all life issurvival.
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Sleep, sleep, sleep from deepspace.
Sleep, the seed is planted.
Sleep, sleep, terror, grow. Seeya.
Yeah,Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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It's got no detail, nocharacter. It's unformed. All of
a sudden, they're growing likeparasites. Is it contagious?
People are being duplicated. Howdo you know my name? I didn't
tell you my name. I can't findanything in here that looks like
a body. My side's nose, please.
It looked right at me. You'relooking at as if it was human.
It was not human.
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Now the classic fear begins togrow in a modern masterpiece of
science fiction, Americanstreak,
Invasion of the Body Snatchers,starring Donald Sutherland,
Brooke, Adams, Leonard Nimoy,Invasion of the Body Snatchers
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from deep space,the seed is planted.
Terror grows.
You can check this out for freeon Macs. I believe that's where
I saw it. It looks like shit.
Oh, I highly recommend justfinding like the blu ray. I
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think arrow put out a 4k Ithought I owned it. I do not. I
was really bummed. So I might goahead and pick that up. Directed
by Philip Kaufman, who is knownas a writer and director. He
wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark,rising sun and the right stuff.
Directed the wanderers the rightstuff and bearable lightness of
being wills.
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This is also based on a anovel by Jack Finney, who wrote
it in the book in 1955 and thescreenplay was done by w d
Richter, who did Big Trouble inLittle China, starring Donald
Sutherland, who I have talkedabout in Mr. Herring.
Harringons, phone and Moon fall.
He's in 198 other things. BrookeAdams, she was in Dead Zone.
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Days of Heaven, the stuff. JeffGoldblum, Jurassic, Park, the
fly, Independence Day. VeronicaCartwright, Lambert and alien,
which, again, I was like, oh,that's what you're from, Witches
of Eastwick, which I believeKelly's talked about, and the
birds and Leonard Nimoy,I know, in like, a totally
different role, which is reallyfun to see him in the story, we
follow a parasitic alien thingas it abandons its dying planet
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and travels to Earth throughspace, it looks like this kind
of pink fluff stuff, and itlands on some plants and becomes
these seed pods that have pinkflowers poking out of them.
Elizabeth Driscoll is a labscientist who's walking through
a park, sees the flowers andgrabs one, brings one home and
tries to find them in her likeplant books, and decides it's a
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cross pollination because shecannot find it anywhere. Her
goofy husband, who can't pick upthe mail and is obsessed with
watching sports, but she loveshim anyway, wakes up in the
morning, early, puts on a suit,disposes of something out
inside, directly into thegarbage truck, then begins to
act entirely.
Differently. He's very weird,worried. Elizabeth confides in
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her friend Matthew, who's thiskind of crazy, kooky guy from
the food department, whoeverybody hates, but he's also
super lovable. Matthew promisesto help her figure out what's
going on, and enlists hisfriend, who's a psychologist, Dr
David kipner, who says to her,basically, it's an epidemic in
marriages, and everyone isn'twilling to put in the work. It's
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just an excuse to break thingsoff,
which is great, except for allthe people around the city begin
to act very strange. Theycommunicate silently. They're
hunting down people who act outand fix them
by chasing them down the street,pots start showing up. And
whenever they fall asleep,doubles of people appear nearby
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and need to be squashed. So hemight be wrong.
This film, the practical effectsare incredible. It is so creepy
and grotesque, I kind of forgothow absolutely just amazing it
is visually. Watching the plantsjust slowly move and creep with
their little tendrils is sofucking good. The squashy pod
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people are so good. The homelessman who sleeps with his dog, who
ends up as a dog man is so good.
I was like, Oh my God. What thefuck the background? I think the
little details in this filmreally sell it too. There's
always a garbage truck goingaround in the morning full of
like, fluffy, like black, fluffyshit that it crushes constantly.
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And you're like, What the hellis this? And they never talk
about it. You just knowsomething's going on,
the hippies that are out in likeCity Hall lawn just disappear
one day, and that just adds alot of flavor to it. We see
early on that our main actor islike, she does these fun like
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eye tricks. And then we watchthe idiosyncrasies of Matthew
Donald Sutherlands, characterwho's just weird and into
cooking. And you know by the endof the film that when humanity
goes away, this is the stuff welose. And it's such good
character writing. I love howthey do that.
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Just yeah,a little bit, a little bit of
fun. God, it's so good. A littlebit of fun trivia. Robert
Duvall, who had previouslyworked with Philip Kaufman in
the Great Northern fieldMinnesota, RAID, happened to be
in San Francisco at the time offilming, and shot his only scene
for free. Kind of he played thecrazy priest at the beginning on
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the swing. It's supposed toforeshadow the pod person
anatomy and the alienation wefeel later in the movie,
according to the commentary onthe DVD,
he was paid with an Eddie Bauerjacket.
Was hit by a Volkswagen Beetlewhile filming a shot
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while they were while he wasrunning, he fell onto the
windshield and was able to seethe driver saying, Oh, God, not
you.
The leather half glove thatDavid, Dr David kibner and
Leonard Nimoy wore wasdeliberately used for the sole
purpose of making the charactermore distinctive and
recognizable. Nimoy got the ideafrom a friend of his, who wore
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it to cover a burn on his hand.
The night of the movie'srelease, someone put pods like
those in the movie all over thestreets of LA some people got so
freaked out that they thoughtthey were real and called the
police.
Brooke Adams, the lead actress,challenged Donald Sutherland to
a foot race during one of thefilm's many chase scenes after
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Philip Kaufman yelled cut, theyjust kept going. Adams won in a
dress and high heels, no less.
And there's a newspaper articlein the film about web shrouding
the Bay Area, which was genuine,and it happened the week before
the filming commenced. So, oh,that's cool. This is one of the
classics, yeah,favorite films of all time, and
it's one that always gets leftoff when you talk about the the
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rare remake that is better thanthe original Absolutely. Yeah, I
don't think I've seen theoriginal, but I've read and
watched Day of the Triffids. SoI'm like, I feel like it's
definitely better than day oftrip is pretty good.
Yeah, that's what's sosurprising. So this is 10 times
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better. Somehow. I think whatmakes them both work is they're
both very much of their time.
The paranoia thing they're eachtalking about is different,
yeah, and works perfectly forwhen it's made but yeah, I think
this is probably in there withlike, the hammer movies and some
of those as the reason that ledme to being a horror family like
you, it is one of my absolutefavorite films. Doesn't
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disappoint on a real weird Iknow that there's a Nicole
Kidman first, yes, I've neverseen the three.
Films which are all kind ofremakes of each other. The third
one, I think, was Stuart Gordon,or at least he wrote it.
It's also really good. So it'slike, body, is it just bodies?
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Yeah, that one's pretty goodtoo. It's good. It's not as
strong as a story, but it's gotsome really good Yeah, watch it
because I remember being like,not the Nicole Kidman. Oh, okay,
that's a different Oh, okay,yeah, that was the fourth one.
And I think there might evenhave been one since then. Well,
it could be. I mean, it's such aYeah, easily remakeable thing,
(50:33):
yeah. But yeah, those first twoare astounding. And, yeah, the
second one is the best. I'mreally glad for the rewatch,
because I have not seen thismovie in years, and I really did
not remember how good it is. AndI love that. It's just that 70s,
Big Chill energy of people beingfucking people. It's so I love
that so much. Believe the discis key, no lower, not arrow, so
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it's a lot more affordable. Soarrow has the British 4k and
key, and it's got differentextras on it than um kinoli
book, because I got, I went downon a deep rabbit hole after
being like, why the fuck don't Iown this? What the hell is wrong
with me? I think I might havehad it on DVD at some point or
something, but, yeah, that'svery mad. I've got a couple of
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them, but no, I don't know if wegot that UK one.
That is a powerhouse cast.
And watching a lot of peoplejust, I mean, I think it's
before Jeff Goldblum, like fullJeff Goldblum,
young, like, weird energy justworks so well for him. Yeah, and
it's great. Emo plays that weird70s psychologist. So well, it's,
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it's so well written. Yeah, it'sjust like, you just know, you're
like, This guy's this guy's bad.
No, he's gonna, as soon as hestarts like, mansplaining about,
like, marriages to this chickand and like, whisking off women
from, like, this woman from aparty, and being like, you think
your marriage is falling apart.
But I'm gonna see you tomorrowat 10am with 10am with your
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husband. It is gonna get fixed,and then she's fixed, and you're
like, fucking this guy's in onit, whatever it is, he's in.
All right, great, great choice.
Okay, give myself five minutes,and I'm talking About a film
from 1976 called embryo youyou'd be jeopardizing your
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career, your whole life. Theresults could be worth it.
Nothing is worth going to jailfor. I'm not asking for anything
that has a chance for life onits own. 20 years, work is
beginning to take shape. Thedevelopment rate is now
approximately one year to each24 hour period, February, 16,
2pm rapid growth, stilluncontrolled. Rate now about two
(53:13):
years for every 24 hour period.
My God, will it ever end?
My name is Victoria, and she hasjust been born, eight and eight
are 1616.
And 16 are 32. I want to learnto experience.
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Will you teach meyou're in pain. I'm here to help
you. Victoria,this is directed by Ralph
Nelson, who has got a couple ofbig ones on here. Requiem, for a
heavyweight, once a thief, thewrath of God, a hero. Ain't
nothing but a sandwich, myfavorite, and written by Anita
doing, who wrote a BeverlyHills, Christmas, whispers and
(54:02):
second to die. And she wrotethis with, well, she didn't
write this with Jack Thomas.
Jack W Thomas, I believe, wrotethe original novel,
love Texas, 13 fighting men,20,000 eyes. Nice, starring Rock
Hudson, who was in brightvictory come September avalanche
(54:27):
and,Oh, pretty maids all in row,
which is the ones that I fuckinglove. Also in this is Barbara
Carrera, who was in the Islandof Dr Moreau, Condor man, Lone
Wolf, McQuade and Diane lett.
She was in something wild, thewild angels, Christmas vacation,
(54:47):
wild at heart. She loves filmswith wild in the title.
Have you guys seen embryo? No,this was a first time viewing
for me, and I didn't even knowabout this movie. So I remember
the.
Poster, well, we meet Dr PaulHolliston, who is a geneticist
who's been living alone afterlosing his wife in a car crash,
(55:08):
and he has built a privategenetics laboratory that is
connected to his home. He is avery lonely man, and his only
real friend is his sister inlaw, Martha, who also acts as
his assistant. One night,Halston accidentally runs over a
pregnant Doberman Pinscher, thedog is dying, and Holliston is
triggered heavily by the deathof his wife to do something
(55:29):
really stupid. He he tries tosave the unborn puppies of this
dog, which he does by gestatingit. He saves one puppy does by
gestating it in an artificialuterus. And apparently he's a
mad scientist, because he usesan experimental growth hormone
made from human placentalmaterial, which speeds up the
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embryos growth. Oh my. The doggrows to full size in a few
days. And halsim passes it offas the mother dog to disguise
his secret experiment. Thanks tothe serum, it, for some reason,
learns incredibly fast and soonbecomes a very well trained dog.
However, Halston doesn't noticethat the dog is also super smart
and even more aggressive thanusual. He leaves the doby in the
(56:12):
car while he runs an errand, anda small Yorkie runs by and
starts barking at the Doberman,who opens the car door, kills
the Yorkie, drags it and hidesit under a bush, gets back in
the car and closes the door. Nowthis is all done by a real dog,
so even if it's not evil, you'relike Jesus is a smart dog.
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Pretty fucked, great.
Holliston is so pleased withhimself that he decides he must
make a human in the same way,and he convinces a colleague to
let him know when a pregnantsuicide has come in, and to save
the fetus, if possible. Yeah, heapplies the same technique, but
the female fetus cells ageuncontrollably, so he uses a
(56:53):
different drug to counter theeffect. It finally works, and
the embryo quickly grows into abeautiful, 22 year old woman. He
names Victoria because she ishis victory. Oh God. He educates
Victoria while she is stillgrowing, filling her head with
recordings of encyclopedias andhigher mathematics, and she soon
has photographic knowledge ofscience, literature and culture.
He begins introducing her to hisfriends and CO works as a
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college graduate niece, and inthe best scene of the movie, he
takes her to a swanky party fullof professors and doctors, and
she wows them with a rivetinggame of chess against a chess
champion who was played by RoddyMcDowall, infuriating him when
she deliberately lets him winthe final move.
After that, Holliston completesVictoria's education by teaching
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her the ways of love that night.
Soon afterward, though, Victoriadiscovers that her cells have
become aging again, and shestarts taking the special drug
he had used to try and slow heraging down. At the beginning,
I'm going to run out of time.
I'm jumping towards the end.
Victoria kills his sister inlaw, and she finds out that she
(58:00):
has to, she has to use babycells from, you know, unborn
fetuses to stay young, andtargets his daughter in law. Oh,
God, so will Victoria killHollis and son, and then,
surprisingly, the pregnantdaughter in law, and then also
the unborn baby. She needs tostop her uncontrollable aging.
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Yes, oh, will chase after herand I surprising car chase at
the end of the movie and finallydestroy her as she becomes an
old lady, and will, in asupremely disturbing final
scene,will the cops stop him from
drowning her and drag him awaywhile one cop off screen says,
holy shit, this old lady ishaving a baby,
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sending Rock Hudson to his kneesand begging them to kill it, but
also sending a surprise burst ofwhat the fuck giggles through me
when the screen goes Black andwe hear the cry of a newborn
baby.
On.
It's pretty bonkers.
Unfortunately, it also moves ata pace just above zero miles per
(59:08):
hour. So if it could have been areally shocking movie, if it
just been a little quicker, youknow, I like sleazy shit, I got
just a couple of pieces oftrivia. A caption at the end of
the movie is shown stating thatthe science of this movie is
within our grasp, which it isnot.
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And also Joyce Brothers, dr,Joyce Brothers has a cameo as
herself at the party, but she isa biologist for some reason,
rather than her actualprofession as a psychologist.
And I was like, whatplaying yourself, or are you
playing? She's playing adifferent version of herself as
a different doctor, which Ididn't get weird. I was like,
why did we have to name her, butthen make her not who she is?
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Man, people do not know how todeal with cameos unless you're
Matt Damon, right.
I.
Embryo, you guys, it is wild,man. I really, really wanted to
love it. It's sleazy andeverything, but it just fucking
takes forever to get there.
That's too bad it soundsbananas. Is wild? Yeah, they
should have had her, like, hadthe baby at the end, and then
(01:00:15):
try to use her own baby to youngherself. Oh, because that's
like, if she was desperate to, Imean,
it's really good the embryoning.
Okay, so whose choice is itnext? I think it's yours. Yeah.
Okay, well, you know, are yougonna go wildly crazy and do
(01:00:38):
something other than sci fi orOkay, what if we went further
back in time? Oh boy, and wentto the 60s sci fi. Because
there's a lot of 60s sci fi I'venot checked out. So that's,
that's I'm gonna lobby this backover the net, and we'll see what
people do after this. But I'mgonna go with 1960s sci fi.
Sounds good. This sounds groovy.
Far out. Right on and solid tome.
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I'm so glad that Austin's havinga good time.
The one that my brothers had that got me into
Ninja Turtles, where, like, theyhad bought it, and I, I don't
know which one, and I grabbed itand thought it was because it's
black and white. I thought was acoloring
book. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I breakyour concentration?
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Somewhere between science andsuperstition.
Such sites to show you,strange eons, welcome, strange
eons radio. That is Eric overthere. Hello. That is Vanessa
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over there. Hello, and I amKelly. We've been doing this
every other week thing now, andI gotta tell you, it confused me
last week when I was like,where's my episode at?
I realized, oh, there's noepisode this week because I
said, No.
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Very strange. But a couple otherpeople reached out to me too,
like our friend Jeffrey Gould,who's also known as Joffrey to
Vanessa,better, better. But he reached
out and said,Did you mention something about
the episode not coming on thisweek or something? And I said,
Yes, we have gone to a two weekschedule. And he said, You know
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what? I remember that now.
What a very valuable Thank you,listeners for your care and
consideration. We miss you too.
He's been sending me ever sincehe sent me that that ghost
thing, he's been sending me abunch of haunted ghost videos.
Oh my god, and I've gone downthe rabbit hole on a couple of
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these that are pretty fuckingcreepy. So, oh, fun, yeah. The
worst is, like, when you guysshare something like that, and
I'm like, finally catching up onour conversation feed as I'm in
bed, trying to go to sleep, andI'm like, You fuck down in the
dark with the lights out,anything could be in here with
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me. I've got this in my head.
Yeah. There you go. Yeah.
Best way to read horror novelsindeed. This is why I don't read
horror novels.
It's fine.
I've seen some movies, you guys.
I finally got to see.
Oh, all right. Oh, okay. Whatwas your take on it? Very good.
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It's interesting. I have heardfrom people who who really loved
it. Eric, it went into your top10 films of all time,
immediately, potentially, Yeah,gotta see it again, of course.
And then I've heard from peoplewho hated it, yeah. I was like,
Why did you hate it? Well, thevampires were stupid. Were they
stupid? Well, they weren't cool.
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I was like, No, they were Irish.
I guess that's not very cool.
I think I wanted them to maybebe 30 Days of Night, you know,
terrifying monster, vampires orsomething. I was like, this is
a, this is a bad argument forhating this film. Yeah, I read,
uh, some guy's take on it, likeyesterday. I think that was,
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that was, it wasn't thatspecific, but it was all about
the vampire part of the movie.
I'm like, well, that part wasfine. It was entertaining, and
that was fun. I love the musicpart. That was the so boring. It
took so long for anything tohappen, like you ever watch from
dusk till dawn, dude, this hasbeen done. Yeah. It's a very
unconventional storytellingmethod. So I can see why people
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who have very specificexpectations that if you do not
meet, they will hate. Sure,like, I can see that happening.
So it makes a lot of sense to methat people would backlash. But
I I feel like it's too badbecause they're really missing
an opportunity to enjoysomething different and like, I
don't know, not a sequel, yeah,by the black people.
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Without getting into spoilers,I had talked a little bit to you
what some of my issues were, theone
that the one missed opportunityI really thought they were going
to kind of somehow pull in theidea that these white vampires
came and stole the black man'smusic. And I was like, this is
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where we're going with this,right? They could come here and
become, you know, bluesmanvampires after they leave and
all this. And that didn't happenat all. I was like, Oh, this is
kind of a missed opportunity,yeah. And it had the one trope
that I really, really hate inany kind of siege movie, which
is when somebody specific dies,everybody pauses, including the
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bad guys who are attackingeverybody. They all are like,
hey, a little respect. Thisguy's girlfriend just got
killed. Yeah, we all like thisguy, right? Okay, game on.
100 and I hate that, and I thinkthere are very easy ways to
write those kind of things outof stories, because it just
drags me out immediately. Whilesomeone is having a very
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passionate death scene, I'mlike, What's happening with all
the vampires who are attackingand in fact, they're getting in
their dancing we actually seethem in the background just kind
of standing there. I was like,I was doing great with this
movie. Why did you make methink, Yeah,
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but what a great movie, and whata great soundtrack. I think I
sent you the the releasing thedouble LP. Whoa, that's pretty
cool. The scene with the musicwhen he first plays at the club,
that existent, that weird dreamlike thing, it's just like, fuck
this when it goes into the nextgeneration.
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There's also a scene there atthe end that I really enjoyed.
And if I'm being honest, thismovie is
a lot of similarities to fromdusk till dawn. Oh, yeah, if I'm
being honest, the story I wouldhave rather seen is whatever
happened between this movie andthat end scene when the two
people show up in the clubagain. I was like, that's the
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story I wanted to see. So ifthere's a sinners too, yeah, I
hope that we get to seeeverything between there. Yeah,
oh my god. Can you imagine allthe encounters? Like, because I
was sure that maybe he'd becomelike a vampire hunter, because
he has, like, the knowledge, youknow, and he's got the big scar,
and, you know, those guys withthose strange stories, with the
supernatural, and then he wouldrecognize, anytime somebody
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comes in to, like, hear his bandplaying utterly. It's like, oh,
fuck, does he like? Is this histhing? He just invites them in,
and then he takes him on. Butyeah, I can't
remember what I was gonna saynow, this is something about the
music.
Yeah. I just yeah, it'savailable streamer rental now,
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so if he's been sitting on it,don't sit on it anymore. It's
really, really good, really,really good for dinners.
Well, I watched FinalDestination bloodlines. Did
either of you guys got a chanceto I haven't. Okay. I was a
little surprised that I have aweird bit. I'd love this series,
not in that. I think it's great,sure, no, no, but entertaining.
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I was surprised. A lot of peopleseem to have that opinion. And
yeah, they liked it. Did youlike it? I did. Oh, cool. So,
which is weird, because it'salso a comedy. Oh yeah, they've,
except for the first one,they've pretty much all been
comedies. I think I've only seenthe first three, so that's
probably on me and I, and it'sbeen a long time, like, it's
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been a very long time, but,yeah, I like, I mean, I love the
first one. I like the concept alot. I like the way that they
set a lot of these stories up,and these little vignettes of,
like, horrible deaths, so I butI had very low expectations of
bloodlines, just because it'slike, okay, and, like, the the
trailer is like a full scenefrom the film. And I was like,
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Are you, Oh, weird? Kidding?
Like, Great, I'm gonna have tosit through the scene again when
I see the movie, which I neverenjoy, um, but it's so well
told, and just really hits thisspecific strand of humor. It
knows what it is, and it leansso into it. It's just really
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enjoyable. It had a lot ofsimilarities to me, to the
monkey in that way. Oh, okay,yeah. Like it felt like a
spiritual sibling or cousin tothat film. Like, it just, I
don't know, like, it's not, it'snot perfect, but like, it's
really fun. It's probably thesecond best one, to be honest.
That's kind of, that's what I'vebeen hearing from people that
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really love the series. Yeah, Iwould, I would definitely check
it out. I think it's, I don'tknow there's, there's a couple
of moments in it when I thinkback, I'm like, that is fucking
hilarious. But there's alsoplenty of, you know, just like,
stupid shit in there too. But Ireally do think that it's, it's
a film that knows exactly whatit is, and it just goes for it,
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and it's smart and it's clever,and, like, the gruesome, weird
deaths are so fucking gruesomeand so weird and so well told
ahead, and you're just like, ohmy god, is that gonna kill you?
No,no, that almost killed you, but
not. It's just, it's a lot offun. Now you're dead, and now
you're dead.
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What number sequel is this? Ithink it's six. Yeah, I thought
there was a final destinationsix already. So I thought we
were late or something. I don't,I honestly don't know, but from
what I've heard around theether, I think it's six. But who
knows? I know that. Is it HBO orsomebody who's got all of them
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in their top 10? All of them arein the top seven.
Like, out of complete order aswell. So it's like number one,
and then it's like 532,whatever. It's like, okay,
everyone's got the greatestopening, I guess, like the log
one is probably sure right upthere in the top three. Yeah,
kind of ballsy to call itbloodlines when, like one of the
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worst Hellraiser subtitles isbloodlines, once you avoid a
really bad I really feel like itknows what it's doing. Okay,
very cool.
So earlier this week, I thinklove death and robots Season
Four came out, yeah, and Iwatched all of them.
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Overall, there's some reallygood ones. Yeah, couple real
stinkers. But are not realstinkers, just kind
of the Close Encounters of themini kind is ridiculously
adorable. It's cute. Yeah, haveyou seen any? It's like, you
know, the tiltto make things look miniature.
It looks, I mean, it's animated,so it's done directly, but
that's what it looks like. It'slook like tilt shift shooting.
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That's so cute.
I also really liked how Zeke gotreligion, which was the World
War Two. Yes, I love that. Sogood. Let's see. Skip the ones
that are okay. Butwas it 400 boys, yeah, the art
in that one with the postapocalyptic, yeah, the art is so
cool. I pulled out a little bitwhen it looks like video game
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art, because, okay, yeah, thatlooks really good at all. But it
looks looks like the cut sceneof, yeah, video game yeah, and I
was pulled out of forgot whichone it was. Oh, the screaming of
the Toronto so, yeah, becausethe guy doing the main vocals,
and my kind of, this guy is kindof a weak actor, but he sounds
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really familiar. And it was Mr.
Beast. Oh the YouTube guy, ohthe guy with the cookies.
Okay, an actor, apparently not,because I thought he was oddly,
it was a weird combination of hesounds like he knows what he's
doing, but he's just notdelivering these lines. Well,
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yeah, because that's what hedoes on his show, is announce
shit that's going on. Oh, okay.
But instead of it being natural,sounding like his show generally
does. It sounded like he wasreading lines. It's very weird.
It's kind of a neat one, but Iremember that one I was kind of
bored with about halfwaythrough. I like how it ended,
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but, but otherwise I was likethis. This didn't need to be
nine minutes long. Could havebeen. And it's also one of the
computer looking kind of ones.
And of course, for he can creepwith the cat, the cats, yo, yo.
You can check that oneout of that one and the other
one with the cat. And the AIrobot was very cute. Are these
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all about 10 minutes long? Them?
I think very long. It might be17 minutes. And there's one
that's like five plus. If youlook at the runtime, that's the
shitty one. One of them is a redhot chili pepper song. Oh yeah,
I knew you'd love that one. Andit's just David Fincher, of all
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people. It's just a video of asong. And I was like, that
sounds very I can't wait to getpast this to see what this
episode is about. It was thesong I was furious. Oh my god.
Well, I mean, there's definitelythings against you for that one
at the right from the beginning,being the big red hot chili fan
that you are,but the Oh yeah, smart
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appliance stupid owners as theother cat one, yeah.
But overall, well worthwatching. But when you watch
them too, you Oh man, it's 15minutes long. The credits for
every one of them are, like, twoto three minutes long. Yeah? So
the vignettes are actuallyshorter than you think they're
going to be. Remember, thisstarted life as it was supposed
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to be, areboot of the heavy metal
animated movie, really, DavidFincher had been attached to it
and everything. And then thatall fell apart. And then all of
a sudden, this shows up onNetflix, and it was like, Oh, I
see what happened. You alreadygot shit going on, and you're
like, well, I'll do it myself.
Then fuckgot enough money to put a 10
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animated charts together. And Ithink that, you know, every
season is hit or miss, but I'dlove to grab like, two out of
all of these and put together areal movie from this. Because
you know thatthat how Zika religion I was
like, did you notice that sogood? A lot of the best ones
were actually based on shortstories too, that were adapted
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from novelists and stuff likethat. And that Zeke one was one.
I was like, I'm gonna have tofind this now, because I want to
read the story. I was just aboutto ask you, did you look it up?
Because I would love to readthat. Because that one was
unexpectedly.
Good. It started off going on,this would be all right, but by
the end of like, Yeah, reallygood. That is called love death
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and robots, and it is onNetflix. Okay, what do I want to
talk about?
I've seen a lot. I guess I willtalk about Karate Kid legends.
Oh, really, that's the movieone okay, and it is better than
it has to be okay and reallycute, and actually goes in,
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believe it or not, a area that Iwas like, I did not see this
coming in, this very formulaicseries of films that all follow
the same thing. Yeah, it didsomething different with it. And
then, of course,it did the weird thing of
bringing together Jackie Chanfrom the reboot, and then what's
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his name,Daniel LaRusso, you know,
because in this Jackie Chan'scharacter knows Mr. Miyagi and
comes to visit the Miyagi dojoand ask for Daniel's help
training this student. It's,what do you
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want from these movies, kids,you know, fighting Kung Fu
and karate in in New York Citythis time. Oh, wow, big city
fight. How's the kid in it?
Like, really good. Yeah, I lovedhim, make or break, yeah. Well,
putting that Will Smith, was itWill Smith's kid? Or was
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it that one was combination of alittle young, yeah, for the kind
of story, and not quite ready tobe the guy kind of carrying a
movie? No, no, this kid is greatand, and there's a lot of
surprising actors who pop up,and you're just like, Oh, I'm
glad to see that this guy isstill working and stuff like
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that. Does it feel like itcontinues on from where the show
left off? So I'll be honest, Istopped watching the show. And,
yeah, same here. I assume thatit does, because,
you know, it shows up at theMiyagi dojo and there is nobody
there. And I was like, Oh, Iwonder if this ended. I
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mean, because it ended ended,right? Yeah, show ended,
canceled. Her ended, yeah, Ithink it ended. And, I mean,
they would have milked that cowfor all of time,
right? So yeah. And this timethe they, of course, have to amp
everything up. So the tournamentis basically street fighting in
the various boroughs of NewYork. Oh, wow. But it's a
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sanctioned fight, and it justhappens in like, you know, an
alleyway for this one or, youknow, it's almost like watching
a video game.
I had a lot of fun with it. Thatsounds a lot more interesting
than I was expecting, Eric, youwill like, I'm not sure that you
will like,it's always, I know I'm a little
bit of a mixed bag, but so areyou out there? I sometimes think
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that I know exactly what you'regoing to be into. And I
disaster. Lee, wrong.
Speaking of which,I went and saw
a film called friendship, whichstars,
it's Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd.
Are you guys into Tim Robinson?
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Yeah, he's done some really goodstuff. He's funny, yeah, yeah. I
like a lot, not, not in thisone, huh? So I like Paul Rudd a
lot. And I was like, Listen,everyone, yeah, I know exactly
like I saw clueless, I hadfeelings, so
i don't know i I'm, as you guysknow, I don't have much of a
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sense of humor, or a veryspecific sense of humor, is kind
of out. That's probably moreaccurate. Yeah, I have a very
specific sense of humor, and soI have, long ago said to my
husband, hey, why don't youwatch that show without me?
Because I'm not really into thisTim Robinson show, or shows or
whatever it is he gets up to.
Don't find him very interesting.
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I thought, is this a movie or aTV show? This is a movie. Oh,
okay. And so when this moviecame out, I was like, maybe
it'll have a little of sense ofhumor, but it's Paul Rudd, so
it's probably just like a comedythat he had no it's like Tim
Robinson style, like skit over afilm length and ahead of time.
At some point, I ate something Ishould not have, I don't know
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exactly what, but I had everincreasing food poisoning coming
upon me while sitting throughthis movie. That doesn't help.
Nothing. Nothing about this filmmade it pleasant or interesting
to me personally. It was sort oflike, okay, I guess I'm watching
some people act, and that's fun.
Good job for you guys. Andthat's it.
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I don't know it's. I don't likeit. I, I'll be honest, I haven't
heard anything about this oranything. Really,
I've seen the poster. That's it.
Yeah, no, it's, it's the storyof, like, a guy who gets like a
new neighbor, and they becomelike, man, best friends, and
then just best friends whenthey're men. No, they call it.
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What do they call it? When? Likeguys bromance? Yes, they form a
touching bromance. And then PaulRudd cut. That makes it sound
really different when you usethat word, though. Oh, well, I
don't know what they get up to.
You never know. You know, guysdo what guys do. I'm not gonna,
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I'm not gonna judge that. That'sup to them, so as long as it's
consensual.
So anyway, so Tim Robinson,being the awkward one, of
course, does some weird stuff.
Paul Rudd cuts off theirfriendship, and then Tim
Robinson goes off the deep end,trying to regain the friendship,
and not understanding why thefriendship broke off, and being
like overly needy. And it goesinto weird places. And I don't
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know that the story really has abeginning, middle or end.
Probably beginning, Idon't know about the rest,
starts at some point. It ends atsome point. Yes, there is a time
that ticks by. There's a clockthat exists for this film. So,
yeah, so that's the setup. It's,it's got Kate Mara in it. She
does a great job. But I don'tknow, I think a lot of people
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thought it was very funny. Itwas filled with a theater. I
mean, it was like a late nightscreening, like 10pm pretty
small theater, completelyfilled. Oh, wow. So it was
popular amongst its fans. I justwas not one of them. And I just
sat there thinking nothingduring Yes, okay, very much so.
And I was like, I'm so glad thatAustin's having a good time.
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I can't wait to empty out thisbucket, this popcorn bucket,
really quick here, and I spent,yes, the next 12 hours. I'm
throwing up, but definitely notbecause of the film so well,
okay, little niceness there.
Friendship, friendship. I'mgonna look for it. You should
watch a trailer, and you decideto yourself, if this is for you.
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So I wantto see the seemingly horror
movie of the moment, apparently,on its last day in theater, I
think, called bring her back.
No, oh no, that means I missedit. Either of you seen this one?
No, okay, talk to me. Yeah,thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, fun
kind of scary movie. It wasactually scary at times. And
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people calling this movie ascary movie, I think, are way
off base. It's a horrifyingmovie. Is it like hereditary?
Like, it's just like a darkerthan hereditary man? It is dark
as fuck. Yeah. It is deeplydepressing. And the Yeah, the
end image is still burned in myhead, and it's not a, it's not
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like the predator, the headthing, or anything like that.
It's it's a very stagnant image,but it's just like, fuck me, and
it's brutal. It is really hardto watch. If I don't know if I
would recommend anybody with asmall child, check this film out
unless you are really knowingyou're gonna go into some
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horrible, dark shit.
I'll go step further. This is avery good film. I would never
recommend it to anyone. Yeah,that's fair.
I texted everybody in the in theguys thread and bring her back.
I need a fucking hug. That'sthat is what I heard from a film
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reviewer I really like, was justthat it's very depressing. And
so I kept putting it off becauseI was like, Well, I don't really
feel like being depressed rightnow. Paying money for depressing
is being nice to it. It'sbrutal, it's depressing. It's
also like before any of thesupernatural stuff happens, my
anxiety just kept getting rampedup by how crazy this person was
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in the film and the things shewas doing to this young child
and and I was just like going, Iam really wigged out by this
character and this movie. Andnothing supernatural has
happened yet? Yeah, it's alreadythe worst situation in the
world. If none of the horrorstuff, right? Yeah, if the stuff
that's going on with Oliverwasn't happening, it'd still be.
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The performances are universallyamazing. Yeah, the kid Oliver,
who's on the the poster, I don'tknow how you get a kid his age
to pull off what he did, yeah,but Jesus, he is really good. It
is an astoundingly well mademovie. It is also a movie I will
never watch again. No way. Neverlook at a butcher knife. The
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same, without flashing rights toparticular Yeah.
Where I was Vanessa. I waswatching it like this.
I wantedto, and he has two or three
scenes like that. I knowthe how old is the candidate?
There's three kids. The one thatEric was talking about is
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probably 11. There's a, there'sthen a, you know, a young man,
18, maybe, and then his youngersister, who's maybe also 11,
yeah, somewhere around, andshe's basically blind, yeah,
fantastic. The older brothers,fantastic.
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The foster mom is fantastic.
But I mean, this felt like amovie where I was like, I don't
feel like this, the womanplaying the foster mom will ever
get another role, because peoplewill be like, No, we can't hire
her. She's horse. Yeah, shedidn't have such a pedigree of
work. And this is the it's likewhat's his name from Henry
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portrait of the theater killer.
Took me years to watch him andanything else without going,
Nope, you're one creepymotherfucker. But, I mean, I
talked to me, and now this bothastoundingly good films in
completely different ways. Yeah,it's yeah, it's crazy, because I
feel like this person, I mean,the word isn't right. Torture
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porn is not right. I wonder ifthey're creating new genre like
depression porn. It is, no,there's, it's an ongoing thing
with I've talked about in theshow a lot, where last couple
years there's been thisundercurrent of family drama,
horror, yeah. And this is thatturned way the hell up. And it
is. It's all family based, yeah,and it's all just dark and
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vicious, and it's also griefhorror, yeah, the lengths a
person will go to when they losesomebody and stuff like that,
which is, you know, kind ofcommon now, yeah,
but, yeah, what a film. Theproblem was, I, for me, I
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watched nothing about this. Ijust saw like, people posting
about it and saying, oh,scariest movie ever since, like,
this isn't scary, it'shorrifying. It's hard to watch,
but it's not a movie. When Ithink of a scary movie, I think
of like, terrified, or talk tome, or something like that.
Where it's creepy and scary, butit's there's a twist of fun to
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it, yeah? Where it's notentirely based, it's like
horrors of life, yeah, differentlovers of anxiety. It's like,
yeah, that's good me, yep.
So yeah, bring her back. So thatwas the last day in theaters. So
I think so, yes, be coming tostreaming very quickly. Yeah,
because I wanted to, I wonder,is planning going on a Thursday?
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And I looked up like,didn't seem to be playing any
place on a Thursday. I saw goWednesday.
Mark Rauner texted me, and hewas like, my review for bring
her back is up? Have you seenit? And I said, No, I really
want to. And he said, Don't readmy reveal, but call me when
you've seenI just texted him afterwards. I
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was like, I could use a fuckinghug.
And, yeah, well, I can't wait tosee what they do next. Oh, hell
yeah, they're definitely I hopeit's talk to me. You know, where
somebody else goes, to the hand?
What I mean? No, I mean, that'swhat it is. It is talk to me. Is
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the sequel to talk to me. No,it's already but I wasn't sure
why they didn't go right tothat, why they went to
a different story in the sameuniverse this film, no, well, I
mean, there's no no connectivetissue, unless there's something
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in the background that them aswriters are going, Hey, this is
actually, did it? Yeah, look atthe beer bottle. It's the same
company. When she goes to playin the the
sports place the guy that shehits is actually
so, I mean, talk to me, had somepretty graphic, you know,
imagery and stuff like that. Butyou're right. There's something
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about being scared by asupernatural thing that is fun.
That's why we love these movies.
There nothing fun? You can bringher back, just
so you think, okay, they've gonedeep enough. Nope, guess what?
Yeah, here's something else.
Yeah, cool. Well,why don't we take a little break
and we can wash our brains ofthe movie, and then when we come
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back, we are talking about scifi from the 70s.
Alpha team in danger. This isspace 1999, Eagle, one
spaceship. Alpha, good.
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Control, we have contact. Youcan jettison the cockpit and
engines, then link them up. It'smini Eagle One in visual
contact, alpha control, look upis a go and their Eagle One
rescue phase is complete.
Space 1999 Eagle One spaceshipcomes with three inch figures.
Assembly Required you fromMattel,
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and we are back, Eric, this wasyour sub genre pick. That's
right, we're twisting andturning out
into the same area again, okay,1970s sci fi, yeah, the year the
dystopian horror or sci fi filmkind of had its reign. You don't
say, I mean, I know mine ispretty,
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pretty rough. You want to startus off then, alrighty, give you
five minutes.
So I'm starting off in 1972with Silent Running,
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a space convoy on a strangevoyage carrying a rare cargo,
the forests, the plants, thegrowing things doomed to
extinction on Earth,we have just received orders to
abandon and nuclear destruct Allthe forests
and return our ships tocommercial services.
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Oh, you can'tblow up this forest.
Silent RunningCataclysm in outer space, every
(32:01):
moment, bringing its own dangeras man explores the mysteries of
an unknown and limitlessuniverse. Valley,
forge. Valley, forge. What thehell's wrong? You're moving out.
You're accelerating. I've got apremature damnation on door
number two, and I've got anexplosion in the main carbon
deck. Now please advise meimmediately, give me Barker. I
can't find Barker. I can't findwolf or Keenan either. I'm
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afraid Neil that they might havebeen in dome number two, number
one.
Meet the almost human drones,amazing companions on a journey
beyond the stars,and you know it.
(32:53):
Hear Joan Baez sing, rejoice inthe sun and Silent Running you
listen, Lowell, if you continueas is, we figure you'll hit The
northeastern caucus centers outof ring tomorrow morning. You
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uh, this is available rent in alot of different places. It's
not a hard film to findthe director by Douglas Trump
belt, who did brainstorm Back tothe Future the ride,
tons of shorts. Main thing hewas known for is doing effects.
He did, like, 2001 closeencounters, the first Star Trek
movie, Blade Runner,the man who killed Hitler and
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then Bigfoot. Oh, that him,yeah, as a as the effects guy,
oh, okay,written by Derek Washburn, who
wrote extreme prejudice and TheDeer Hunter.
Interesting pedigree for this,Michael simono, who also was
involved in the deer hunter andwrote Year of the Dragon rose,
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Magnum Force. And Steven Bucha,who? Bucha. Who? If you've
watched any TV, you mightrecognize his name. He did 216,
episodes of NYPD, blue, Doogie,Howser, cop rock. Oh, right Hill
Street Blues. So he, he had a,he had a time in the 80s, actor,
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lead actors, Brewster, who.
Seen in kinds of stuff,including recently The Hateful
Eight tail box murder toolbox,murders to last man standing.
And, of course, the burbs, yes,well over 200 credits Cliff
pots, who's best known forIronside, live and die again,
and Lou Grant and a whole lot ofTV. And Ron Rifkin is an LA
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Confidential and 105 episodes ofalias.
So pretty strong acting grouphere. This is,
starts off a beautiful anothermovie, starting off with
beautiful close up shots ofvegetation, this time flowers
andother life forms existing and
Dern, I'm assuming they did thisbecause they didn't want to
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watch him swim naked. But forsome reason, beautiful, all this
stuff. Then he gets in thislittle like water area and swims
through it, and it's muddy ashell, like, um,
which it's not later on in themovie either.
Okay, I see what you did there,but as you're watching, it
starts to pull out further andfurther in your life. You're
inside kind of a bio dome areain space, and he taking care of
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everything. And then you get abunch of, probably would be
termed nowadays, tech bro kidtypes, driving these cool little
four wheelers around that theyused to get around the station,
but they're running over hisvegetation and all this stuff,
and he's flipping out. Not beingreal happy with them. They are
flying in the Valley Forgespacecraft located out by
Saturn. They also have a bunchof these little two legged
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robots that kind of look likethe little two legged robots
from Star Wars, except theyactually have people in them.
People want to walk around inthem.
Butthe great little segment in a
poker game where theyestablished that Bruce is
definitely in his own thinkingon this area. And it's this
really well written scene ofwhat could just be simple
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exposition, but done in a waythat at least makes it
interesting to listen to wherethey explain why they're there,
or what they're doing, sort of,but that they've been out in
space for a while, and theydon't get in a lot of details of
what they're doing, but it'sjust well done. See, it's very
interesting, fun to watch, butthen they get notification to
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destroy all the bio domes. I'mjust calling them that they
don't call them that. But andreturn home
for whatever reason, theexperiments over or they're not
real detailed. But of course,Bruce is not happy about this,
because he spent your whole timemaking a thing. And there's not
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just plants, there's like littlebunnies and animals running
around in the area as well, andthey're just gonna blow
everything up.
And the of course, the otherthree guys are excited to get
back, because in the world,there's no disease, no poverty.
Everyone has a job. The picture,temperature is 75 degrees over
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the whole world. But there's noart, there's no music,
everybody's the same. There's novegetation and no trees.
And Bruce was planning on beingcoming back like his hero, where
he would bring back thevegetation and regrow the planet
and stuff and all that's out thewindow.
So of course, the guysautomatically just Jive into
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starting to blow things up.
Bruce is having none of that,and shit goes sideways in really
interesting ways. It's a prettysmart film, well worth watching.
I'll leave it at that at thatpoint to see where it goes. But
highly recommended if you likesci fi, especially 70s sci fi,
because it's definitelylate 60s, early 70s feel to it.
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Do a couple quick notes here.
There's a song sung a few timesby Joan Baez. My favorite.
It fits the thing, but themusic, which is pretty good and
fairly unique, is done by a guynamed Peter Schickel,
better known as PDQ Bach,and this was the first
soundtrack he'd ever done. Thedirector heard him on the Joan
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Baez album because he's a rangeror something for her, as Peter
had no idea. PDQ Bach, who's avery successful kind of comedy
music guy who that was, but hehired him based on the Baez
work, and he actually did reallywell. It got some neat music in
it.
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And Bruce during claims he wasthe 17th person
to be offered the role. Oh, wow,oh, my God, but
yeah, pretty good. Have eitherof you seen this one? So I guess
maybe I need to give thisanother shot. I remember this
being really slow. I don't thinkI finished it. It's not a speedy
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film. It is definitely an early70s film. Mm.
But I didn't have a problem withit, maybe because the last few
years all the weird, slow shitI've been absorbing,
and yeah, I didn't find itparticularly slow. Solaris is
definitely slower. Yeah, Iremember watching this way,
(40:20):
like, a long time ago. So I'mprobably due for a re watch as
well. I mostly remember the it'sHuey Dewey and Louie. This is
where the robot, yes, yeah, Iremember being like, ah,
insert meme here.
Okay, silent, running. Well,maybe I'll put that on tonight.
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Vanessa, you want to go next?
Absolutely, I'm going to go witha really obvious pick for the
70s Invasion of the BodySnatchers from 1978 oh.
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They come from a dying world.
They drift through the universe,pushed on by the solar winds.
They adapt, and they survive.
The function of all life issurvival.
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Sleep, sleep, sleep from deepspace.
Sleep, the seed is planted.
Sleep, sleep, terror, grow. Seeya.
Yeah,Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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It's got no detail, nocharacter. It's unformed. All of
a sudden, they're growing likeparasites. Is it contagious?
People are being duplicated. Howdo you know my name? I didn't
tell you my name. I can't findanything in here that looks like
a body. My side's nose, please.
It looked right at me. You'relooking at as if it was human.
It was not human.
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Now the classic fear begins togrow in a modern masterpiece of
science fiction, Americanstreak,
Invasion of the Body Snatchers,starring Donald Sutherland,
Brooke, Adams, Leonard Nimoy,Invasion of the Body Snatchers
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from deep space,the seed is planted.
Terror grows.
You can check this out for freeon Macs. I believe that's where
I saw it. It looks like shit.
Oh, I highly recommend justfinding like the blu ray. I
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think arrow put out a 4k Ithought I owned it. I do not. I
was really bummed. So I might goahead and pick that up. Directed
by Philip Kaufman, who is knownas a writer and director. He
wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark,rising sun and the right stuff.
Directed the wanderers the rightstuff and bearable lightness of
being wills.
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This is also based on a anovel by Jack Finney, who wrote
it in the book in 1955 and thescreenplay was done by w d
Richter, who did Big Trouble inLittle China, starring Donald
Sutherland, who I have talkedabout in Mr. Herring.
Harringons, phone and Moon fall.
He's in 198 other things. BrookeAdams, she was in Dead Zone.
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Days of Heaven, the stuff. JeffGoldblum, Jurassic, Park, the
fly, Independence Day. VeronicaCartwright, Lambert and alien,
which, again, I was like, oh,that's what you're from, Witches
of Eastwick, which I believeKelly's talked about, and the
birds and Leonard Nimoy,I know, in like, a totally
different role, which is reallyfun to see him in the story, we
follow a parasitic alien thingas it abandons its dying planet
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and travels to Earth throughspace, it looks like this kind
of pink fluff stuff, and itlands on some plants and becomes
these seed pods that have pinkflowers poking out of them.
Elizabeth Driscoll is a labscientist who's walking through
a park, sees the flowers andgrabs one, brings one home and
tries to find them in her likeplant books, and decides it's a
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cross pollination because shecannot find it anywhere. Her
goofy husband, who can't pick upthe mail and is obsessed with
watching sports, but she loveshim anyway, wakes up in the
morning, early, puts on a suit,disposes of something out
inside, directly into thegarbage truck, then begins to
act entirely.
Differently. He's very weird,worried. Elizabeth confides in
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her friend Matthew, who's thiskind of crazy, kooky guy from
the food department, whoeverybody hates, but he's also
super lovable. Matthew promisesto help her figure out what's
going on, and enlists hisfriend, who's a psychologist, Dr
David kipner, who says to her,basically, it's an epidemic in
marriages, and everyone isn'twilling to put in the work. It's
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just an excuse to break thingsoff,
which is great, except for allthe people around the city begin
to act very strange. Theycommunicate silently. They're
hunting down people who act outand fix them
by chasing them down the street,pots start showing up. And
whenever they fall asleep,doubles of people appear nearby
(45:46):
and need to be squashed. So hemight be wrong.
This film, the practical effectsare incredible. It is so creepy
and grotesque, I kind of forgothow absolutely just amazing it
is visually. Watching the plantsjust slowly move and creep with
their little tendrils is sofucking good. The squashy pod
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people are so good. The homelessman who sleeps with his dog, who
ends up as a dog man is so good.
I was like, Oh my God. What thefuck the background? I think the
little details in this filmreally sell it too. There's
always a garbage truck goingaround in the morning full of
like, fluffy, like black, fluffyshit that it crushes constantly.
(46:32):
And you're like, What the hellis this? And they never talk
about it. You just knowsomething's going on,
the hippies that are out in likeCity Hall lawn just disappear
one day, and that just adds alot of flavor to it. We see
early on that our main actor islike, she does these fun like
(46:52):
eye tricks. And then we watchthe idiosyncrasies of Matthew
Donald Sutherlands, characterwho's just weird and into
cooking. And you know by the endof the film that when humanity
goes away, this is the stuff welose. And it's such good
character writing. I love howthey do that.
(47:13):
Just yeah,a little bit, a little bit of
fun. God, it's so good. A littlebit of fun trivia. Robert
Duvall, who had previouslyworked with Philip Kaufman in
the Great Northern fieldMinnesota, RAID, happened to be
in San Francisco at the time offilming, and shot his only scene
for free. Kind of he played thecrazy priest at the beginning on
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the swing. It's supposed toforeshadow the pod person
anatomy and the alienation wefeel later in the movie,
according to the commentary onthe DVD,
he was paid with an Eddie Bauerjacket.
Was hit by a Volkswagen Beetlewhile filming a shot
(48:00):
while they were while he wasrunning, he fell onto the
windshield and was able to seethe driver saying, Oh, God, not
you.
The leather half glove thatDavid, Dr David kibner and
Leonard Nimoy wore wasdeliberately used for the sole
purpose of making the charactermore distinctive and
recognizable. Nimoy got the ideafrom a friend of his, who wore
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it to cover a burn on his hand.
The night of the movie'srelease, someone put pods like
those in the movie all over thestreets of LA some people got so
freaked out that they thoughtthey were real and called the
police.
Brooke Adams, the lead actress,challenged Donald Sutherland to
a foot race during one of thefilm's many chase scenes after
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Philip Kaufman yelled cut, theyjust kept going. Adams won in a
dress and high heels, no less.
And there's a newspaper articlein the film about web shrouding
the Bay Area, which was genuine,and it happened the week before
the filming commenced. So, oh,that's cool. This is one of the
classics, yeah,favorite films of all time, and
it's one that always gets leftoff when you talk about the the
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rare remake that is better thanthe original Absolutely. Yeah, I
don't think I've seen theoriginal, but I've read and
watched Day of the Triffids. SoI'm like, I feel like it's
definitely better than day oftrip is pretty good.
Yeah, that's what's sosurprising. So this is 10 times
(49:26):
better. Somehow. I think whatmakes them both work is they're
both very much of their time.
The paranoia thing they're eachtalking about is different,
yeah, and works perfectly forwhen it's made but yeah, I think
this is probably in there withlike, the hammer movies and some
of those as the reason that ledme to being a horror family like
you, it is one of my absolutefavorite films. Doesn't
(49:49):
disappoint on a real weird Iknow that there's a Nicole
Kidman first, yes, I've neverseen the three.
Films which are all kind ofremakes of each other. The third
one, I think, was Stuart Gordon,or at least he wrote it.
It's also really good. So it'slike, body, is it just bodies?
(50:11):
Yeah, that one's pretty goodtoo. It's good. It's not as
strong as a story, but it's gotsome really good Yeah, watch it
because I remember being like,not the Nicole Kidman. Oh, okay,
that's a different Oh, okay,yeah, that was the fourth one.
And I think there might evenhave been one since then. Well,
it could be. I mean, it's such aYeah, easily remakeable thing,
(50:33):
yeah. But yeah, those first twoare astounding. And, yeah, the
second one is the best. I'mreally glad for the rewatch,
because I have not seen thismovie in years, and I really did
not remember how good it is. AndI love that. It's just that 70s,
Big Chill energy of people beingfucking people. It's so I love
that so much. Believe the discis key, no lower, not arrow, so
(50:56):
it's a lot more affordable. Soarrow has the British 4k and
key, and it's got differentextras on it than um kinoli
book, because I got, I went downon a deep rabbit hole after
being like, why the fuck don't Iown this? What the hell is wrong
with me? I think I might havehad it on DVD at some point or
something, but, yeah, that'svery mad. I've got a couple of
(51:17):
them, but no, I don't know if wegot that UK one.
That is a powerhouse cast.
And watching a lot of peoplejust, I mean, I think it's
before Jeff Goldblum, like fullJeff Goldblum,
young, like, weird energy justworks so well for him. Yeah, and
it's great. Emo plays that weird70s psychologist. So well, it's,
(51:43):
it's so well written. Yeah, it'sjust like, you just know, you're
like, This guy's this guy's bad.
No, he's gonna, as soon as hestarts like, mansplaining about,
like, marriages to this chickand and like, whisking off women
from, like, this woman from aparty, and being like, you think
your marriage is falling apart.
But I'm gonna see you tomorrowat 10am with 10am with your
(52:03):
husband. It is gonna get fixed,and then she's fixed, and you're
like, fucking this guy's in onit, whatever it is, he's in.
All right, great, great choice.
Okay, give myself five minutes,and I'm talking About a film
from 1976 called embryo youyou'd be jeopardizing your
(52:47):
career, your whole life. Theresults could be worth it.
Nothing is worth going to jailfor. I'm not asking for anything
that has a chance for life onits own. 20 years, work is
beginning to take shape. Thedevelopment rate is now
approximately one year to each24 hour period, February, 16,
2pm rapid growth, stilluncontrolled. Rate now about two
(53:13):
years for every 24 hour period.
My God, will it ever end?
My name is Victoria, and she hasjust been born, eight and eight
are 1616.
And 16 are 32. I want to learnto experience.
(53:38):
Will you teach meyou're in pain. I'm here to help
you. Victoria,this is directed by Ralph
Nelson, who has got a couple ofbig ones on here. Requiem, for a
heavyweight, once a thief, thewrath of God, a hero. Ain't
nothing but a sandwich, myfavorite, and written by Anita
doing, who wrote a BeverlyHills, Christmas, whispers and
(54:02):
second to die. And she wrotethis with, well, she didn't
write this with Jack Thomas.
Jack W Thomas, I believe, wrotethe original novel,
love Texas, 13 fighting men,20,000 eyes. Nice, starring Rock
Hudson, who was in brightvictory come September avalanche
(54:27):
and,Oh, pretty maids all in row,
which is the ones that I fuckinglove. Also in this is Barbara
Carrera, who was in the Islandof Dr Moreau, Condor man, Lone
Wolf, McQuade and Diane lett.
She was in something wild, thewild angels, Christmas vacation,
(54:47):
wild at heart. She loves filmswith wild in the title.
Have you guys seen embryo? No,this was a first time viewing
for me, and I didn't even knowabout this movie. So I remember
the.
Poster, well, we meet Dr PaulHolliston, who is a geneticist
who's been living alone afterlosing his wife in a car crash,
(55:08):
and he has built a privategenetics laboratory that is
connected to his home. He is avery lonely man, and his only
real friend is his sister inlaw, Martha, who also acts as
his assistant. One night,Halston accidentally runs over a
pregnant Doberman Pinscher, thedog is dying, and Holliston is
triggered heavily by the deathof his wife to do something
(55:29):
really stupid. He he tries tosave the unborn puppies of this
dog, which he does by gestatingit. He saves one puppy does by
gestating it in an artificialuterus. And apparently he's a
mad scientist, because he usesan experimental growth hormone
made from human placentalmaterial, which speeds up the
(55:50):
embryos growth. Oh my. The doggrows to full size in a few
days. And halsim passes it offas the mother dog to disguise
his secret experiment. Thanks tothe serum, it, for some reason,
learns incredibly fast and soonbecomes a very well trained dog.
However, Halston doesn't noticethat the dog is also super smart
and even more aggressive thanusual. He leaves the doby in the
(56:12):
car while he runs an errand, anda small Yorkie runs by and
starts barking at the Doberman,who opens the car door, kills
the Yorkie, drags it and hidesit under a bush, gets back in
the car and closes the door. Nowthis is all done by a real dog,
so even if it's not evil, you'relike Jesus is a smart dog.
(56:33):
Pretty fucked, great.
Holliston is so pleased withhimself that he decides he must
make a human in the same way,and he convinces a colleague to
let him know when a pregnantsuicide has come in, and to save
the fetus, if possible. Yeah, heapplies the same technique, but
the female fetus cells ageuncontrollably, so he uses a
(56:53):
different drug to counter theeffect. It finally works, and
the embryo quickly grows into abeautiful, 22 year old woman. He
names Victoria because she ishis victory. Oh God. He educates
Victoria while she is stillgrowing, filling her head with
recordings of encyclopedias andhigher mathematics, and she soon
has photographic knowledge ofscience, literature and culture.
He begins introducing her to hisfriends and CO works as a
(57:16):
college graduate niece, and inthe best scene of the movie, he
takes her to a swanky party fullof professors and doctors, and
she wows them with a rivetinggame of chess against a chess
champion who was played by RoddyMcDowall, infuriating him when
she deliberately lets him winthe final move.
After that, Holliston completesVictoria's education by teaching
(57:37):
her the ways of love that night.
Soon afterward, though, Victoriadiscovers that her cells have
become aging again, and shestarts taking the special drug
he had used to try and slow heraging down. At the beginning,
I'm going to run out of time.
I'm jumping towards the end.
Victoria kills his sister inlaw, and she finds out that she
(58:00):
has to, she has to use babycells from, you know, unborn
fetuses to stay young, andtargets his daughter in law. Oh,
God, so will Victoria killHollis and son, and then,
surprisingly, the pregnantdaughter in law, and then also
the unborn baby. She needs tostop her uncontrollable aging.
(58:21):
Yes, oh, will chase after herand I surprising car chase at
the end of the movie and finallydestroy her as she becomes an
old lady, and will, in asupremely disturbing final
scene,will the cops stop him from
drowning her and drag him awaywhile one cop off screen says,
holy shit, this old lady ishaving a baby,
(58:47):
sending Rock Hudson to his kneesand begging them to kill it, but
also sending a surprise burst ofwhat the fuck giggles through me
when the screen goes Black andwe hear the cry of a newborn
baby.
On.
It's pretty bonkers.
Unfortunately, it also moves ata pace just above zero miles per
(59:08):
hour. So if it could have been areally shocking movie, if it
just been a little quicker, youknow, I like sleazy shit, I got
just a couple of pieces oftrivia. A caption at the end of
the movie is shown stating thatthe science of this movie is
within our grasp, which it isnot.
(59:28):
And also Joyce Brothers, dr,Joyce Brothers has a cameo as
herself at the party, but she isa biologist for some reason,
rather than her actualprofession as a psychologist.
And I was like, whatplaying yourself, or are you
playing? She's playing adifferent version of herself as
a different doctor, which Ididn't get weird. I was like,
why did we have to name her, butthen make her not who she is?
(59:51):
Man, people do not know how todeal with cameos unless you're
Matt Damon, right.
I.
Embryo, you guys, it is wild,man. I really, really wanted to
love it. It's sleazy andeverything, but it just fucking
takes forever to get there.
That's too bad it soundsbananas. Is wild? Yeah, they
should have had her, like, hadthe baby at the end, and then
(01:00:15):
try to use her own baby to youngherself. Oh, because that's
like, if she was desperate to, Imean,
it's really good the embryoning.
Okay, so whose choice is itnext? I think it's yours. Yeah.
Okay, well, you know, are yougonna go wildly crazy and do
(01:00:38):
something other than sci fi orOkay, what if we went further
back in time? Oh boy, and wentto the 60s sci fi. Because
there's a lot of 60s sci fi I'venot checked out. So that's,
that's I'm gonna lobby this backover the net, and we'll see what
people do after this. But I'mgonna go with 1960s sci fi.
Sounds good. This sounds groovy.
Far out. Right on and solid tome.
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