June 11, 2024 • 44 mins
We waited all year for the finals and does it feel kinda boring to anybody else?! It looks like we have a foregone conclusion on our hands with the Celtics taking a 2-0 lead on the series. We also give the Celtics their praises instead of bashing Tatum and Brown like everyone else it feels in mainstream media. Can Kyrie show up the series? What happens if the Celtics start shooting well in the series?
The WNBA feels like someone who wins the lottery and blows all of the money within a year. They were not ready for the spotlight and it doesn’t feel like they are getting any closer. Now Caitlin Clark gets snubbed for team USA? We give you our thoughts on all of this and there is so much more to discuss so join us for season 2 episode 23 of the Swishlist Podcast!!
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All right, everybody, welcome inseason two, episode 23 NBA
finals edition of the switchlesspodcast.
Let's get right into it.
We've got two games to talkabout.
We just finished game two.
Uh, what, what was that?
What was that?
A terrible shooting from bothteams.
That's what I saw tonight.
That's what I said.
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It was bad.
It was extremely bad.
Neither team had any rhythm, uh,which especially hurts the
Celtics because They thrive ontheir three point shooting.
I don't think it does.
They were fine.
Obviously not tonight.
Obviously not tonight.
I, I mean, if they shoot wellfrom the three point line, it's
the exact same result as gameone.
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But I think that's thedifference.
And it's showing up.
The, this team is the best teamin the NBA.
And now they're showing itagainst competition.
And it also doesn't help thatKyrie Irving decided not really
to show up today.
Yeah, he just, the BostonCeltics are literally his
kryptonite ever since he playedthere.
Um, I don't know man, it just,this is what it feels like to
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me.
Drew Holiday cancelled out Luka.
Like, And then what's crazy isthe Celtics don't have to play
well and they will still win.
Jason Tatum did not play well.
Jalen Brown did not play well.
He reverted back to, I can'tdribble with my left hand Jalen
Brown.
Uh, Porzingis, he was not aselectric as he was in game one.
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Derek White was off and on.
He, he had moments where he madejust the most clutch plays, but
it's not like he was a 30 pointa game guy.
I, I don't know, dude.
It, there's just thisinevitability to the Boston
Celtics in this series.
And to me, it feels like, like,like Dallas is a team that they
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don't play with.
They play at Lucas pace, butthey don't accelerate who
they're playing against.
And if you let Boston get set,like.
They're too good defensively.
They rotate too well.
They shut down Kyrie today.
Oh my gosh.
Even Luka, it didn't feel likehe had a good triple double.
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Like he usually has.
It was another slow start for,for Kyrie.
I mean, he ended the firstquarter fine, but they shut down
Kyrie.
He didn't have Like a clean lookat the basket.
Iron name.
I didn't feel like maybe acouple of times, but it, we
didn't get the usual takeoverfrom these two guys that we see
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at the end of the game.
And this is exactly what theBoston Celtics are built to do.
Well, they were going to, right?
So the, the, the, I Dallas isdown by like seven, five or
seven points and Kyrie gets theball with Tatum on him and Tatum
picked him and that was, andthat was like, that was the
game.
Like when he picked him, I waslike, Oh, that's it.
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It's over.
It's over.
Uh huh.
And it seemed like that's whatthey were doing to Kairi the
whole time.
Uh, Jalen Brown did it early inthe game too.
He picked Luka too.
It seemed like they, they weretaking the two matchups very
personal.
And I, I say this a lot.
There's a, there's a good 30point game and there's a bad 30
point game.
And Luca had a bad 30 pointgame.
I don't know if you can say badbecause it really felt like
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every shot he was shooting wasgoing in in the first half.
He was ridiculous again.
Oh yeah.
First half.
He was incredible.
I'm that's where he had themajority of his points, but
yeah, yeah, it wasn't terriblefrom him.
It wasn't the usual takeoverthat I was just not, I'm not
laying this at the feet of, ofLuca for me, I.
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I don't know, cause PJWashington played pretty good.
It feels like the centers havedisappeared.
They, I mean He had a fewmoments, but like He didn't have
He didn't exist in tonight.
No, and then, and then, I textedyou.
I texted you.
Cause I was, I was askingmyself, Why is Maxi Cleaver in
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the game?
Defending Jalen Brown.
Of course, they're going toexploit that matchup.
I like their matchups don't makeany sense.
I don't know.
I don't know what they're doing.
No, I don't know either.
It feels like Boston is like,you know what?
Like when Luca shoots, it feelsautomatic.
It feels like every time heshoots the ball, it's going to
go in.
And I think Boston's like, we'reokay.
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If you score all these points,we know we can't stop you, but
we can stop Kyrie and we canshut down the pick and roll.
And that's what we're going todo.
If there's two things thatthey've done in these first two
games, it's.
They have defended the pick androll incredibly well, and
they've stopped Kyrie Irving.
Agreed.
It's Kyrie is supposed to bethere.
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One of their level headed guys.
You don't depend as much onyour, on your stars.
Luke and Kyrie are supposed togive you those, those 30.
9s, especially in the finals.
It's can our role players dowhat they're supposed to do?
Luca did what he needed to do.
Kyrie didn't do what he neededto do.
And it ends up in a close gameloss for them.
Well, and we're also in thislike weird spot.
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Like I am shocked how manypeople picked Dallas to win the
series.
I don't underst like, I It'sjust Boston haters.
There's so many people who don'twant to see them shine.
That they just are like, okay,we're gonna have to take Dallas.
I I've never seen We've seendominance.
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I I think of of Golden State,where there was It was
inevitable.
They were going to be in thefinals.
Like there were years, the KevinDurant years, you just knew they
were going to win.
Like it was not a question, butin those finals, there weren't
games where they collectivelydidn't play well and won games.
Like they just were better andtheir best players just played
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at a, at a level that justnobody could stop them.
Boston.
I'm watching the game and I'mlike, man, Boston kind of sucks
tonight.
And they're up by six points.
It, like, it's like, it's likeLuka is balling out, he's going
crazy, he's having a Luka game,and they're losing by four
points.
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This is what the Celtics arebuilt to do.
It doesn't matter who has a goodnight.
If you don't win this game, howdo you win any game?
Well, I mean, it's the playoffs.
Tatum missed six threes in a rowbefore he made one.
If you can't win this, what canyou win?
But now they get to go backhome.
But they're down two.
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But I mean, if you think aboutit, that's what Boston is
supposed to do.
Defend home court.
His team is incredible on theirhome floor.
Yeah.
Boston also incredible.
No, no, no.
Boston is not incredible ontheir home floor.
They've been better on the road.
Well, that doesn't mean they'renot good on their home court.
They, yes, they are better onthe road, but they've been like
500.
Really?
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Oh my gosh, dude.
Oh my gosh.
Boston Celtics won 60 plus gamesplay in the playoffs.
Oh, yeah.
Playoffs.
Yeah.
I mean, they've only lost.
Two games in the playoffs.
They are, they're on a nine gamewin streak.
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But yeah, they, I think both oftheir two losses, it was, it was
game two versus Miami.
And then it was game two versusthe Cavs.
Brother, I, if you can't winthis game, I just don't know how
you can string together fourwins.
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You can't, the biggest thingthat Dallas can do at this point
is they can try to, to earn somerespect.
Like they can, they can like, Idon't know.
They have to win game three.
If they want any sort of chanceat anything, they have to win
game three.
You can't lose, lose three, winfour, like.
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If you lose game three, I don'teven think anybody watches game
four, dude.
I don't even think people aregoing to turn on the television.
I would hate it as an NBA fan.
It'd be awful.
It's just over.
It'll feel just like last year.
Just a short finals.
We knew who was going to win,but yeah, it's, I really wanted
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Kyrie to show up in the secondhalf, and he didn't.
He just didn't.
I I told Dago, I was like, thisis gonna be a short pod, because
there's just not much to say.
Like, like, what's the there'sno controversy here.
Like, what are we supposed todiscuss?
I mean, the progression of thegame, uh, the the Mavericks
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started out really good.
Mm hmm.
It seemed like their pace wasgonna be really good.
Kyrie They started out better,for sure.
Kyrie hit a little step back.
He's saying stuff to the crowd.
Lucas hitting all these midrange shots talking to the crowd
and then it was just kind ofback and forth until the end of
the first half.
And then, I mean, you blink andit's the middle of third quarter
and the Celtics are up by 12.
And you're like.
What just happened there?
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Yeah.
How did this, how did thishappen?
And then it's, it's just likegame one where it's this battle
back.
They cut it to a certaindeficit.
They cut it to eight in the, ingame one.
Uh, they cut it to seven in thisgame, but the experience shows
up.
Derek White making clutch shots.
Clutch blocks.
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There's Mavericks fans sayingthat, uh, the, the fast break
where Kyrie gave it up to PJ, hegot fouled by both of them.
But again, that only cuts it tofive.
That's, that's a lot of you'renot, you're not winning the
game.
You're not, you're still notwinning the game.
Yeah.
And this is the Celtics.
I mean, it's not a team that'sinefficient on the offensive
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end.
Most likely they're going to geta good looking shot.
Well, let's, okay, let's, let'ssay they get those points.
All that all the Celtics did wasexactly what we talked about
earlier.
They gave the ball to JalenBrown.
They got him the matchup theywanted with Cleaver guarding
him.
He took them right to the holeand scored it.
And then it goes back up toseven instead of nine.
So like, congratulations, you'reup by five.
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You still would have beenexploited.
Now, I, I would've understood ifthey wanted to go defense for
offense, and you're playinglively there for calibra, and
then you sub him in on theoffensive possession.
But to have him in there, I, I,I, I didn't understand it.
Mm-Hmm.
I did not understand it.
Yeah.
To rush him.
I not rush him, but I mean this,they've made this playoff run
most of it without him, and.
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Josh Hart mentioned it too.
He just, I mean, I don't know ifhe looked nervous, but that's
what Josh Hart said in the postgame that Maxie probably
shouldn't have been out there incertain moments.
He shouldn't have been outthere.
He was, he was.
So he shouldn't have been outthere.
Okay.
But so here's the other thingtoo.
Boston is getting away with thecraziest lineups in the series.
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At one point, this was a, thiswas a, this was when, when
Tatum, Tatum took that reallybad turnaround jump shot at, uh,
at the right elbow.
He missed it badly.
It was Derek White, DrewHolliday.
Peyton, it was Peyton Pritchard,Jason Tatum, and Al Horford.
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And I literally was sittingthere and I was going, Boston is
running 3 point guards rightnow.
And they're continuing to winthis game.
Like the, the lineups thatthey're getting away with, are
blow, they blow my mind.
I can't understand.
I, I literally was sitting thereand I was like, they're going
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three point guards, Jason Tatumand Al Horford, and they're not
getting exploited.
I, I can't believe this.
Like it's over.
I don't know.
Like Sam Hauser is like, uh,looks like an elite defender.
What, what are we, what's goingon?
He was locking up PJ for aminute there.
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He was locked in.
He's not hitting his shots.
But no, there's one thing he'sproved this year is that he can
actually play some defense.
So yeah, not up to him.
But the, I mean, the guardlineup, that's what they really
do.
I mean, they're bringingPorzingis off the bench now.
Hopefully he's okay.
It looked like he hurt his calf.
Yeah.
He looked like he wasn'thealthy.
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I wouldn't even play him in gamethree.
You don't need to.
He's he's just been so elite.
He's been so good.
The Mavericks are switchingthese pick and rolls with him.
And all he has to do is justlook at the hoop.
Nobody's tall enough to even puta hand in his face.
So it's a block party, dude.
He's getting blocks.
Derek White's getting blocks.
Jalen Brown's getting blocks.
Al Horford.
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It's a block party in the paint,dude.
When, when, when Derek Whiteswatted Kyrie, when he
volleyball spiked Kyrie, I waslike, holy crap, Kyrie
signature, hold it.
Yes.
Wait, let me adjust.
I'm gonna let you go by me.
And then, yeah, it's the perfectmatchup.
That's what these guys do.
That's what they do.
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And Drew Holliday wasunbelievable today.
I think he was 11 for 1426points.
Second most he's ever, he scoredin that Celtics jersey.
Like if he catches the ball inthe paint, it looks like it's
going in no matter what.
I don't care what hand he'sgoing up with, what angle it's
going up from.
He is incredibly efficient withhis, his moves, His timing.
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He's the guy that everybodywants on their team.
They were talking about thisduring the game, like, oh dude,
he has the highest winpercentage in the last four
years.
Like since Covid.
Yeah.
He's the guy that anybody wantson their team.
He's the well, and he's, he'sjust, he, he always lets the
game come to him.
He's the perfect, so patient.
So patient.
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Yeah.
He's the perfect third option.
Mm-Hmm.
He may be, he may be one of thegreatest third options.
in basketball because he just,he never had an option, a two
option, a now a three option.
And it's, I'll give you 26points.
He never, he doesn't overvaluehimself.
He takes the challenge ondefense.
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He makes the right playconsistently and he takes timely
shots and makes them like he is.
There's no question why thatman's going to be on team USA.
No question.
Because he is just, there maynever have been a better glue
guy in the history of theleague.
Like you could call him glueholiday.
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That should be his nickname.
I'm serious.
His nickname should be glueholiday because he is the
greatest glue guy I've seen inthe past decade.
I swear.
He'll take any matchup, anymatchup.
It's, it's, he plays beautifulbasketball.
We're two games in, um, talk tome finals MVP halfway through
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the series.
Cause that's what it feels like.
Uh, who would you, who are yougiving the award to right now?
Who's trending there to, to winit?
It's Jalen Brown.
It's Jalen Brown.
Especially media picks it.
This isn't based off stats.
He's taking the Luka matchup.
He's the one who's dominating onthe offensive end.
He's making big plays, electricplays.
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He's doing it all.
I mean, Drew Holiday had a greatgame.
Uh, probably been the mostimpactful player.
Uh, Jason Tatum, it's not likehe's taking a backup role, but
this dude is almost averaging atriple double.
He had 10 assists halfwaythrough the third quarter.
Yeah, he had eight at halftime.
He's doing what his team needshim to do.
Getting and ones, moving theball.
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On driving kicks.
He's, he's winning.
It's winning play.
And he's, and he's beingaggressive.
He, he, he went for three dunks.
He didn't make a single one ofthem, but he was, he was going
for the highlight play.
Yeah.
Like he was, he was going forit.
Tatum would win it if half ofthe shots he's missed.
Go in.
Yes, I completely agree.
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Um, I think, yeah, he was one.
He's one rebound away from atriple doubles tonight.
Uh, if he puts together a few 30point games for three and four
or two out of the three games,probably that we see for the
finals, then maybe you can makea case for it.
But if Jalen Brown keepsdefending the way he has, uh, if
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he gets up a left handed lay upa game, I think this guy's gonna
win MVP at this point, if wecalled it now, I'm giving it to
Jalen Brown.
I think he's been the bestplayer.
Why do people, like, what is itthat people have against Tatum?
It's the narrative.
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It's, it's the, what he does tothe media.
It's the, the, the Kobe texts.
It's the, the not winning.
I think that's, that's a bigpart of it.
The expectation was so high forthis guy coming into a Celtics
team who was already successfulbefore he got there.
Um, the narrative was there areason this team shouldn't be a
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champion in a couple of yearsback in 2017.
So the fact that we're in 2024,this is his second finals
appearance.
Um, I think it's just a lot ofanger of this guy should have
won before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and, and like the, the, theKobe nods, I think are not
helping him even wearing the,the Kobe draft shirt for game
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one, it's like, I got you today.
That's the worst thing he couldhave done.
I just don't get it because likehe doesn't back it up.
Never has.
He never has backed it up.
Even if he wins this ring, hedidn't back it up.
I think that with Tatum, it'slike we wanted Tatum to be the
guy.
He's just not the guy.
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It's like when you watch, was itspy kids three?
And all of a sudden you see thedude walk in.
He goes, I'm the guy and he getsone shot and he has like 99
lives to zero and all of asudden I think like juni ends up
having to be the guy like that'sliterally what it is tatum like
I'm the guy and then he hitsthree dunks off the front of the
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rim and we're looking at JalenBrown like I guess it's him.
I guess you're the guy.
I guess you're the guy.
I don't know.
I think what's tough is, isTatum is a, he's a good dude.
Like, at heart, he's a, he's areally good dude.
Um, I don't think you can knockthe guy for, you can't knock the
guy in terms of his character,in terms of, um, his willingness
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to show up and, and, and playhis best.
And he owns, he owns hismistakes.
He, but he just, there's this itquality, That he just doesn't
quite have.
He's got all the pieces of a 1 Aplayer, but he's a, he's a 1 C
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player.
He's not even really a go to guyat the end of the games, like.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's Derek White holding theball up to him.
What would you say, what wouldyou, what would you say Tatum's
like signature move is?
His, uh, step back three.
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Yeah, but that's not even a goodshot for him.
He hasn't been hitting it.
But when I think, I think of asidestep, the sidestep three,
yeah, the site, that's what Imeant.
The sidestep three or, uh, a midrange shots.
It's not like he's doing crazystuff around the room.
He's a good finisher.
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The most signature thing that Ican think of is his sidestep
body roll three.
Yeah, man, dude, I don't know.
It feels and I'm biased, right?
Like I'm biased.
I got the Ant Man shirt rightnow.
Okay, I'm biased.
But it feels like guys like Ant,they just have this it factor.
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Luca has it factor.
He's got this aura.
When you look at those guys,because it's not like Anthony
Edwards is a winner.
I mean, he's taken, uh,Minnesota as far as they've ever
been in the history of thefranchise.
So to Minnesota, he's a winner,but it, you know, in NBA terms,
he hasn't won anything.
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What's, what's the differencebetween guys like Ant who
haven't won anything, but seemto be getting that, like the
snowballs rolling for him.
Whereas Tatum has won at a highlevel.
He's been in the finals.
He's about to win his firstfinals, but just doesn't have
it.
Like what's the difference?
What's the difference?
The difference?
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It's age here.
If, if we go back to 2018, 2019,Jason Tatum was getting these
comparisons.
It's, it's that, that it's time.
He's 26 now.
And it's the continuous joke ofJason Tatum's only 19.
Like people still make jokesabout it because it's like, this
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guy's, he's been young for solong, forgetting how old he is.
Him and Devin Booker have neveraged.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like they're, they've been youngstars their entire career, no
matter if they're supposed to bein their prime or not.
But Ant is, he's, he's.
He's so young.
He's 22.
Uh, I'm sure we were saying thesame thing about Jason Tatum
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four or five years ago.
Like, yeah, there's the, thepeople saying Ants never won.
It was the same thing for him.
Went to the Eastern ConferenceFinals, but lost.
Um, Luca, super, superconsistent guy, but, uh, He's
never won anything, and he's alittle bit younger, a little bit
different case, because he's,you know, the European prodigy.
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But, I think every case isdifferent, but for Jason Tatum,
he's kind of dug himself a bitof a hole.
Yeah, shifting gears to Luca andDallas, this to me feels like
Luca's character development.
Like, like this is his canonevent.
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He has to lose this finals to,and don't, it wouldn't surprise
me if losing this finals isactually what gets him to, to
like lock in and take nutritionmore seriously in the off season
to get in better shape.
I don't, I'm never going to sayLucas should reinvent his game.
I, that is like blasphemous.
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But in terms of work ethicthrough the offseason, how he
takes care of his body andthings of that nature, I do
believe there's a, there's agenuine belief that he could go
another level.
And if, if, if there's one thingthat this series proves, um, or
shows, is that if Luca wants towin at this level, he might need
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to take a few things a littlebit more seriously.
And it may not be for him.
It may not be for him, but it'sthe type of thing that everybody
else sees and it raises thestandard, right?
I agree.
I agree.
We're probably going to lookback on this and, uh, Luca, the
champion 2027, whatever year itis, uh, and it's going to be,
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you know, Uh, that, that lossmade me realize what kind of
work it takes to be a champion.
Yeah.
That type of thing.
I could definitely see thathappening.
That I, this is, I, I, this iswhat it feels like to me.
And it, it's, it's the DirkNowitzki track reincarnated.
Where Dirk lost that finals insix.
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Yeah, he loses it in oh six.
He loses to Wade and Shaq and hemet him.
He said, like, if I don't losethat finals, I don't win in
2011.
I think it's going to be thesame, except that Luca has this
aptitude for greatness.
That's, that's.
higher than Dirk.
He I don't think anybody wouldbe surprised if I said when Luke
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retires, he's gonna have threechampionships.
You go there.
I could see it because I justthink he has that that ceiling.
But I do believe that this is aseries that that opens that door
for him.
If you're the Dallas Mavericks,you're looking at kind of what's
going on.
You're Jason kid.
You go into that locker room.
What message are you trying togive your team?
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But like I said earlier, Theycovered home court.
That's what they were supposedto do.
Now it's our chance to go and dothe same thing.
That's, I mean, that's reallyall you can say.
I mean, you got to move on fromit, but the message should be
now we get to go back home.
I think for me, I would just,I'd probably go in there and I
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would say, look, guys, it's timefor us to focus on going home.
And we got to take this seriesone game at a time.
Let's stop looking at the finalsas the finals.
Let's stop looking at it as aseven game series.
Let's focus on this one game andlet's figure out what we need to
do to win this one game.
with two games worth of data tohelp us make the best decisions
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possible.
Like, let's not look at it likewe gotta win the next two, we
gotta win this, that, and theother.
Let's just focus on this onegame.
It's not game three, it's thenext game.
Look at this as the next game,figure out what you want to do
to play better in the next game,and let's go win the next game.
And I think that's probably mymessage because when they turn
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on the TV, that's all they'regoing to hear, right?
It's your turn.
It's your time to defend thehome, defend home court, defend
home court.
And I want my message to cutdifferent than what they're
hearing.
Everybody else say the hope isthat it does kind of create this
us against everybody else.
There's this common theme in thelocker room.
I don't know.
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Am I crazy?
That's, that's kind of thedirection I'm going.
No, I mean, it's valid, but Ijust coming from a player coach
standpoint, I assume Jason Kiddkeeps it real with them and he
tells them they defended theirhome court.
And now it's our chance to dothat.
But if he takes that route thatyou're talking about, I think it
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could be successful for themtoo, because you're down to, oh,
you can't look at it as you'redown to, oh, you have to look at
it as.
We're just, we just need to winthe next one.
So whatever Jason kid decides tosay, it'll probably work because
it seemed like they'd been insimilar type situations.
I mean, they started off theseries to the Clippers with a
huge L and they, so it's.
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It's just another bounce backmoment for the team.
And if any team can do it, it'sa team who has faced some
adversity and made it to thefinals.
So I mean, only time will tell,but we're here now.
And in a few days, we'll get tosee what they come out with the
home.
I don't know about you.
I feel like that really wraps upany, any coverage that we've got
for the finals.
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I mean, I've got Boston winningit.
I had Boston winning it goingin.
I thought it was going to be asix game series.
I thought Dallas was going tocome in and win this game.
They didn't.
Uh, but there is other newsthat's happening in the
basketball space and believe itor not, it's the WNBA, the
latest, the late, I mean, therehas been so much that's come out
with the, with the Caitlin Clarkstuff, the players shoving her
(27:06):
down, uh, Angel Reese.
cheering on the sideline when ithappens.
Angel Reese wanting to claimthat, you know, she's also the
reason why women's basketball isas big as it is and that, uh,
she deserves a bunch of praise,which I think is a crazy
statement to make.
Whether it's true or not, it's awild statement to make publicly.
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Not privately, not that it getsleaked, not that it's like your
friend saying this is how shefeels, but to say it publicly is
crazy.
But beyond that, it was CaitlinClarke not making Team USA, and
one of the reasoning being they,that they were afraid of what
the fans would do if she didn'tplay a lot of minutes.
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So now we're, we're, we'rekeeping players off of teams
because of hypotheticalcircumstances.
That's like saying LeBron Jamescan't be on Team USA because the
bronze sexuals out there wouldlose it if he doesn't play
enough.
This is, this is, this isridiculous.
It's a very sorry excuse.
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What the heck is going on?
There, I have learned there isso much pettiness in that
league.
Yes.
An unmeasurable amount of dramathat just comes from hate, just
pure hate.
And at first I didn't want tobelieve it, but it all started
(28:31):
when national championship gameends and Diana Taurasi decides
to be like, reality is coming.
And you get all the, it's, it's,it's like when LeBron came into
the league and they'reinterviewing the Cavs and
they're like, I don't think aplayer can come in and affect us
like that.
But this is like an entireleague.
This isn't just a team.
It's everybody, dude.
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And I saw this, it was a commentand it said they are quite
literally biting the hand thatfeeds them.
Yeah.
The hate is from the one personwho is making any sort of
coverage possible for yourleague.
You got players stillcomplaining about having to fly
commercial.
And this is, this is still anonprofit league besides Caitlin
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Clark.
Yeah.
There there's so much hate andit's.
It's quite sad.
I, I don't know why Team USAwouldn't put Kaitlyn Clark on
the team besides being petty.
Okay, and why is Diana Taurasistill on the freaking team,
dude?
She's played like 140 games forTeam USA.
Why don't you just hang it upand let somebody else play for
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the love?
Oh my gosh.
Wait, I need to see.
Oh my gosh.
I'm looking up.
Right now she's played.
I think she's played 138 gamesfor team USA, dude.
It is, it is ridiculous.
Uh, how long is the WNBA season,bro?
The WNBA season is 40 games.
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Okay, she's played three and ahalf seasons just for the Team
USA in comparison to the WNBA.
It's ridiculous.
She's averaging 16 5 and justunder two assists.
You don't think Kaitlyn Clarkcan give you 16?
Kaitlyn is putting up better,all better numbers, but on a
worse team.
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Okay, and like dude, yeah, butyou can't, you can't double, you
can't double Kaitlyn Clark forTeam USA.
She's getting the open looks.
And she's, she's making them.
It's bro.
One of the things that made thedream team, the dream team was
that they were must see TV foranybody that never would have
the chance to see all of theseguys play the game of
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basketball.
I'm not saying Caitlin Clark isgoing to create a women's
version of the dream team.
But this was the greatestopportunity in the history of
women's basketball to have alleyes on your sport.
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And you absolutely just threw itaway.
Threw it away.
Completely.
I I just can't wrap my mindaround it.
I don't believe that peopleshould make it easy.
Like, like you bring up a greatpoint.
And I think that more people onnational television should
should bring up this point.
There's two players that theyshould talk about when they're
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saying, Hey, when have we seenthis Kate and Clark stuff
happened before Lonzo ball was ahuge one, but that was because
of his father.
And there were a ton of playersthat were like, I'm going to,
I'm going to make tonight hellfor you.
Yeah.
Because of your dad and theother is LeBron James where
people were like, Oh, we'regoing to talk like LeBron James
is the, he's the second coming.
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I don't believe it.
I don't believe this guy's goingto be that great.
And then they saw him play.
They saw him play and they werelike, no, this guy's actually
amazing.
That's exactly what it is.
And the great example is 2004Olympics team and 2012 Olympics
team.
We have a first year LeBronJames on the team.
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2012, we have Anthony Davis whohas never played an NBA game on
Team USA.
So it's not like it's never beendone before.
Uh, dude, Christian Laettner wason, Christian Laettner was on a
team.
He was from the Dream Team.
He was on the Dream Team.
Like, we kept, we kept IsaiahThomas off the Dream Team.
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We had Christian Laettner.
You're telling me we can't sitDiana Taurasi and bring Caitlin
Clark?
No, for, in terms of USAviewership, I don't know how
much it's gonna affect Worldwideviewership for the, for the, for
women's women's Olympicbasketball.
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But yes, for team USA, if youwant your people watching your
games, why wouldn't you bringthe most popular woman?
In the sport with you and itgets worse, dude.
Now, now that I, I saw, I saw,um, I can't remember who it was.
Somebody in the WNBA, they saidthat, uh, people want to talk
about how this, this rookiedraft class is one of the best
(33:14):
rookie draft classes.
They're like, this isn't eventhe best one in the last 10
years.
We've had multiple draft classesbetter than this one.
It's like, what is wrong withyou people?
Cameron Brink is just catchingstrays for no reason.
She's been legit.
Like, what are we doing?
It's an elite level ofpettiness.
(33:35):
These people is real.
The, uh, there's, there's thatweird statistic.
Nearly one third of all lotterywinners go broke.
It's this, it's, it's aridiculous stat that you win
hundreds of millions of dollarsand you go broke.
And the reason why is becausethese people are not ready to
have that much money.
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They don't know what to do withit.
And so they just blow it.
And to me, it feels like theWNBA won the lottery.
They hit on three picks.
Caitlin Clark is massive.
She's the, she is the hero.
Angel Reese is the villain.
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She is the counterpart toCaitlin Clarke.
She is willing to be thevillain.
I think she's widely consideredthe villain.
I don't believe there's a racething with Caitlin Clarke.
I think the race stuff isridiculous.
I think the fact that she's astraight woman is ridiculous.
Sabrina Ionescu is straight anda baller and awesome, and I
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don't think it has anything todo with it.
So, I don't think it's a racething, I think those arguments
are ridiculous, they'renarrative driven, it's people
trying to get clicks on ESPN.
And Cameron Brink is just solid.
She's got ties to Steph Curry,and has been great, and is
playing in LA.
Like, the WNBA hit the lottery,put it into a parlay, and then
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won.
The parlay and then decided thatthey were going to light the
money on fire.
Like the Joker.
I, I, I just, I, I've never seenanything like this.
It's just like these people,they don't want to actually be
successful.
They don't want to be famous orthey want all the things they
want, what they can't have.
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Now it's, it's our fault becausewe didn't cover the league three
years ago or five years ago.
Um, One person on their phone issaying, have you talked to
Caitlin Clark?
And all of a sudden they'recalling it harassment.
Uh, we deserve private jets,even though our league doesn't
make any revenue.
The first person to sell outarenas, we're just going to
(35:42):
ostracize and literally try tolike put her on the sideline.
We're going to try and injureher.
Um, I have no problem with,with, with, uh, Hard fouls.
I have no problem with teamswanting to be aggressive and
wanting her to prove herself.
It's all the off the floor stuffthat just, I can't wrap my head
(36:04):
around.
It's too much.
It's, it's so forced and maybeit's a plan to just keep drawing
media in.
Bad publicity is still some sortof publicity.
So any publicity is goodpublicity.
They get something out of it.
So it's maybe it's a mediathing, but I mean, it can't be,
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if you're kicking her off, notkicking her off, but not
including her on team USA, noteven giving her a chance, not
even giving her a chance iscrazy.
And it's, it's what's beingtalked about right now.
So it's, it wasn't just going tobe like this, uh, let's move on.
It's going to be talked aboutthrough the entire thing.
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Yeah.
I mean, I don't plan on watchingany of the games now.
I don't, I'm going to be honest.
I like watching Caitlin Clark.
I don't like watching reallyanybody else.
I'll watch it.
Caitlin has been playing forthe, for years.
She's never drawn anybody to atelevision set.
Never.
Maybe we're a little bias, but Ithink it's pretty obvious.
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That there is a level of hategoing on around Kaitlyn Clark
and I, that's how it is with anystar, but it, it really hurts to
seek because she's such a humbleperson.
She never has ill intent at all.
And it's all just crashing down.
Yeah.
And this is, uh, this is theprice of fame for the WNBA as a
(37:29):
whole, like the.
I mean, just go look at whatpeople say about LeBron James,
Jason Tatum, Jalen Brunson, LukaDoncic, Kyrie Irving.
Name the great player.
Let's not forget, people hatedKobe Bryant.
People hated Kobe Bryant.
There were commercials about howmuch people hated Kobe Bryant
(37:50):
when he played.
People hated that man.
That's it.
It comes with the territory.
People hate Tom Brady.
People hate Patrick Mahomes.
People hate these teams becausethey're great.
And when you get a taste ofgreatness, you gotta be, you
gotta be ready.
Okay.
It's, if you're not, it's like,it's like if you're, you're
(38:13):
playing video games in a, in, ina dark room and your mom comes
and turns the lights on, yougotta be ready for the moment.
Okay.
You can't just, you can't beclose in your eyes trying to
wave around and figure outwhat's going on.
You gotta be ready when thelights come on because the
lights are here.
Now people are, they'reinterested.
And if you, and if you don'tfigure it out, You're going to
(38:36):
go right back to where you werebefore.
Yeah.
She's peaked people's interestand they're shutting her down.
It's, it doesn't make any sensefrom any standpoint.
This is what they'd beensearching for for years.
Oh yeah.
Any sort of league, you lookback at the NBA and the lady who
was on first take talking abouthow you weren't talking about us
(38:58):
three or four years ago.
There was times that the NBA wason tape delay.
It's okay.
Well, yeah, yes.
And yes.
And there have been multipletimes that there have been
legitimate female collegebasketball players on their way
into the WBA that people weren'tinterested in Brittany Griner
was a dominant player.
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People were interested inBrittany Griner when she played
in college.
And when she went to the WNBA,she disappeared.
There were players like Deladon,Skylar Diggins.
There were, there were names ofthese players that we watched.
Brianna Stewart.
We watched, Kelsey Plumb, wewatched these players.
And when they got to thatleague, it was like Aang.
(39:41):
He, they vanished.
The avatar vanished.
Okay.
That is when they needed when,when we needed the most, they
vanished.
Caitlin Clark is the firstplayer to translate.
She's the first one to translatewhere people are still willing
to follow and watch and payattention because I genuinely
believe that the coverage hasbeen there for the stars as
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they've gone in, but the leaguejust hasn't been able to put
them in a position to actuallybe successful for anybody to
care or for anybody to watch.
And now as soon as they've gotsomebody, now they've got
somebody and it's, and that, andwhat we have a problem, like, I
don't like what, what did theywant?
What was the archetype of aplayer that they wanted?
(40:25):
Uh, that, that, that's the partI don't get.
Like, would it be better if itwas Cameron Brink?
I don't know.
Her first, they do want it tobe.
Horrible.
The fever barely win.
She puts up great numbers, butall these incredible athletes
were giving her the hardesttime, her first few years in the
league, and then she They wanther to be a bust.
(40:48):
They want her to be a bust.
Yeah, the hate is real.
I've never said anything moretoxic in professional sports
maybe in my life.
Me neither than the WNBA.
Um, well, if you're stilllistening, I do just want to let
you know, we've, we've got, Ithink one episode left in us
(41:10):
this season before we closethings out on season two of the
Swiss list podcast.
I want to give you guys apreview of really what you're
going to see from us.
If you're new and you haven'tfollowed the podcast, I want to
let you guys know kind of howthings go following the finals.
Um, normally Roman and I, wetake a break, we kind of let
things settle down a little bit,and then we, we pop in.
(41:32):
A couple of times during the,uh, when free agency really
starts to talk through, uh, whatplayers got traded, who got
moved, what's going on.
Um, there's a really goodchance.
You're going to get a coupleepisodes around the team USA
games.
We're going to talk through kindof what we're seeing on the
floor.
Um, Can this Avenger squadreally do it, given how old
(41:52):
everybody is?
Uh, and then and then thingsreally start to spool up again
as we get closer to the nextseason.
But, um, it's it's crazy thatwe're getting close to the end
of season two.
This this one has been.
It's been so much fun, mainlybecause I feel like we've kind
of found our lane a little bitmore in terms of what we like to
(42:15):
talk about and and how it flows.
I think we've both grown a lot,um, this season and, uh, it's
it's been, it's been a ton offun.
Roman, is there anything youwant to talk about before we
close this thing out?
We covered, we covered it.
It's just the finals.
It's what's going on with theWNBA.
That's basketball right now.
That's it man.
(42:35):
I mean, listen, the next time wetalk, maybe, you know, We'll
have another potential Lakershead coach.
I'm not sure, but I think it'ssafe for us to just wait a week
before we talk about the Lakerscoaching situation because we
might be talking about the wrongcandidate.
The Dan Hurley stuff, we'regoing to wait and see.
Rumor is a hundred milliondollar contract is floating out
(42:56):
there, five, seven million,maybe something in that range.
Um, and JJ Redick very well maystill be on the table.
So there is some interest.
There are some conversationshappening in Laker land.
Uh, there's a few coachingdecisions that do need to be
made, but all of those willhopefully be answered by the
time we deliver the nextepisode.
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We'll keep you updated.
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Maybe you are.
But I don't want the Mavericks.
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All right, everybody, welcome inseason two, episode 23 NBA
finals edition of the switchlesspodcast.
Let's get right into it.
We've got two games to talkabout.
We just finished game two.
Uh, what, what was that?
What was that?
A terrible shooting from bothteams.
That's what I saw tonight.
That's what I said.
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It was bad.
It was extremely bad.
Neither team had any rhythm, uh,which especially hurts the
Celtics because They thrive ontheir three point shooting.
I don't think it does.
They were fine.
Obviously not tonight.
Obviously not tonight.
I, I mean, if they shoot wellfrom the three point line, it's
the exact same result as gameone.
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But I think that's thedifference.
And it's showing up.
The, this team is the best teamin the NBA.
And now they're showing itagainst competition.
And it also doesn't help thatKyrie Irving decided not really
to show up today.
Yeah, he just, the BostonCeltics are literally his
kryptonite ever since he playedthere.
Um, I don't know man, it just,this is what it feels like to
(01:05):
me.
Drew Holiday cancelled out Luka.
Like, And then what's crazy isthe Celtics don't have to play
well and they will still win.
Jason Tatum did not play well.
Jalen Brown did not play well.
He reverted back to, I can'tdribble with my left hand Jalen
Brown.
Uh, Porzingis, he was not aselectric as he was in game one.
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Derek White was off and on.
He, he had moments where he madejust the most clutch plays, but
it's not like he was a 30 pointa game guy.
I, I don't know, dude.
It, there's just thisinevitability to the Boston
Celtics in this series.
And to me, it feels like, like,like Dallas is a team that they
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don't play with.
They play at Lucas pace, butthey don't accelerate who
they're playing against.
And if you let Boston get set,like.
They're too good defensively.
They rotate too well.
They shut down Kyrie today.
Oh my gosh.
Even Luka, it didn't feel likehe had a good triple double.
(02:10):
Like he usually has.
It was another slow start for,for Kyrie.
I mean, he ended the firstquarter fine, but they shut down
Kyrie.
He didn't have Like a clean lookat the basket.
Iron name.
I didn't feel like maybe acouple of times, but it, we
didn't get the usual takeoverfrom these two guys that we see
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at the end of the game.
And this is exactly what theBoston Celtics are built to do.
Well, they were going to, right?
So the, the, the, I Dallas isdown by like seven, five or
seven points and Kyrie gets theball with Tatum on him and Tatum
picked him and that was, andthat was like, that was the
game.
Like when he picked him, I waslike, Oh, that's it.
(02:51):
It's over.
It's over.
Uh huh.
And it seemed like that's whatthey were doing to Kairi the
whole time.
Uh, Jalen Brown did it early inthe game too.
He picked Luka too.
It seemed like they, they weretaking the two matchups very
personal.
And I, I say this a lot.
There's a, there's a good 30point game and there's a bad 30
point game.
And Luca had a bad 30 pointgame.
I don't know if you can say badbecause it really felt like
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every shot he was shooting wasgoing in in the first half.
He was ridiculous again.
Oh yeah.
First half.
He was incredible.
I'm that's where he had themajority of his points, but
yeah, yeah, it wasn't terriblefrom him.
It wasn't the usual takeoverthat I was just not, I'm not
laying this at the feet of, ofLuca for me, I.
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I don't know, cause PJWashington played pretty good.
It feels like the centers havedisappeared.
They, I mean He had a fewmoments, but like He didn't have
He didn't exist in tonight.
No, and then, and then, I textedyou.
I texted you.
Cause I was, I was askingmyself, Why is Maxi Cleaver in
(03:56):
the game?
Defending Jalen Brown.
Of course, they're going toexploit that matchup.
I like their matchups don't makeany sense.
I don't know.
I don't know what they're doing.
No, I don't know either.
It feels like Boston is like,you know what?
Like when Luca shoots, it feelsautomatic.
It feels like every time heshoots the ball, it's going to
go in.
And I think Boston's like, we'reokay.
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If you score all these points,we know we can't stop you, but
we can stop Kyrie and we canshut down the pick and roll.
And that's what we're going todo.
If there's two things thatthey've done in these first two
games, it's.
They have defended the pick androll incredibly well, and
they've stopped Kyrie Irving.
Agreed.
It's Kyrie is supposed to bethere.
(04:38):
One of their level headed guys.
You don't depend as much onyour, on your stars.
Luke and Kyrie are supposed togive you those, those 30.
9s, especially in the finals.
It's can our role players dowhat they're supposed to do?
Luca did what he needed to do.
Kyrie didn't do what he neededto do.
And it ends up in a close gameloss for them.
Well, and we're also in thislike weird spot.
(04:59):
Like I am shocked how manypeople picked Dallas to win the
series.
I don't underst like, I It'sjust Boston haters.
There's so many people who don'twant to see them shine.
That they just are like, okay,we're gonna have to take Dallas.
I I've never seen We've seendominance.
(05:20):
I I think of of Golden State,where there was It was
inevitable.
They were going to be in thefinals.
Like there were years, the KevinDurant years, you just knew they
were going to win.
Like it was not a question, butin those finals, there weren't
games where they collectivelydidn't play well and won games.
Like they just were better andtheir best players just played
(05:44):
at a, at a level that justnobody could stop them.
Boston.
I'm watching the game and I'mlike, man, Boston kind of sucks
tonight.
And they're up by six points.
It, like, it's like, it's likeLuka is balling out, he's going
crazy, he's having a Luka game,and they're losing by four
points.
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This is what the Celtics arebuilt to do.
It doesn't matter who has a goodnight.
If you don't win this game, howdo you win any game?
Well, I mean, it's the playoffs.
Tatum missed six threes in a rowbefore he made one.
If you can't win this, what canyou win?
But now they get to go backhome.
But they're down two.
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But I mean, if you think aboutit, that's what Boston is
supposed to do.
Defend home court.
His team is incredible on theirhome floor.
Yeah.
Boston also incredible.
No, no, no.
Boston is not incredible ontheir home floor.
They've been better on the road.
Well, that doesn't mean they'renot good on their home court.
They, yes, they are better onthe road, but they've been like
500.
Really?
(06:48):
Oh my gosh, dude.
Oh my gosh.
Boston Celtics won 60 plus gamesplay in the playoffs.
Oh, yeah.
Playoffs.
Yeah.
I mean, they've only lost.
Two games in the playoffs.
They are, they're on a nine gamewin streak.
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But yeah, they, I think both oftheir two losses, it was, it was
game two versus Miami.
And then it was game two versusthe Cavs.
Brother, I, if you can't winthis game, I just don't know how
you can string together fourwins.
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You can't, the biggest thingthat Dallas can do at this point
is they can try to, to earn somerespect.
Like they can, they can like, Idon't know.
They have to win game three.
If they want any sort of chanceat anything, they have to win
game three.
You can't lose, lose three, winfour, like.
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If you lose game three, I don'teven think anybody watches game
four, dude.
I don't even think people aregoing to turn on the television.
I would hate it as an NBA fan.
It'd be awful.
It's just over.
It'll feel just like last year.
Just a short finals.
We knew who was going to win,but yeah, it's, I really wanted
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Kyrie to show up in the secondhalf, and he didn't.
He just didn't.
I I told Dago, I was like, thisis gonna be a short pod, because
there's just not much to say.
Like, like, what's the there'sno controversy here.
Like, what are we supposed todiscuss?
I mean, the progression of thegame, uh, the the Mavericks
(08:34):
started out really good.
Mm hmm.
It seemed like their pace wasgonna be really good.
Kyrie They started out better,for sure.
Kyrie hit a little step back.
He's saying stuff to the crowd.
Lucas hitting all these midrange shots talking to the crowd
and then it was just kind ofback and forth until the end of
the first half.
And then, I mean, you blink andit's the middle of third quarter
and the Celtics are up by 12.
And you're like.
What just happened there?
(08:55):
Yeah.
How did this, how did thishappen?
And then it's, it's just likegame one where it's this battle
back.
They cut it to a certaindeficit.
They cut it to eight in the, ingame one.
Uh, they cut it to seven in thisgame, but the experience shows
up.
Derek White making clutch shots.
Clutch blocks.
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There's Mavericks fans sayingthat, uh, the, the fast break
where Kyrie gave it up to PJ, hegot fouled by both of them.
But again, that only cuts it tofive.
That's, that's a lot of you'renot, you're not winning the
game.
You're not, you're still notwinning the game.
Yeah.
And this is the Celtics.
I mean, it's not a team that'sinefficient on the offensive
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end.
Most likely they're going to geta good looking shot.
Well, let's, okay, let's, let'ssay they get those points.
All that all the Celtics did wasexactly what we talked about
earlier.
They gave the ball to JalenBrown.
They got him the matchup theywanted with Cleaver guarding
him.
He took them right to the holeand scored it.
And then it goes back up toseven instead of nine.
So like, congratulations, you'reup by five.
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You still would have beenexploited.
Now, I, I would've understood ifthey wanted to go defense for
offense, and you're playinglively there for calibra, and
then you sub him in on theoffensive possession.
But to have him in there, I, I,I, I didn't understand it.
Mm-Hmm.
I did not understand it.
Yeah.
To rush him.
I not rush him, but I mean this,they've made this playoff run
most of it without him, and.
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Josh Hart mentioned it too.
He just, I mean, I don't know ifhe looked nervous, but that's
what Josh Hart said in the postgame that Maxie probably
shouldn't have been out there incertain moments.
He shouldn't have been outthere.
He was, he was.
So he shouldn't have been outthere.
Okay.
But so here's the other thingtoo.
Boston is getting away with thecraziest lineups in the series.
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At one point, this was a, thiswas a, this was when, when
Tatum, Tatum took that reallybad turnaround jump shot at, uh,
at the right elbow.
He missed it badly.
It was Derek White, DrewHolliday.
Peyton, it was Peyton Pritchard,Jason Tatum, and Al Horford.
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And I literally was sittingthere and I was going, Boston is
running 3 point guards rightnow.
And they're continuing to winthis game.
Like the, the lineups thatthey're getting away with, are
blow, they blow my mind.
I can't understand.
I, I literally was sitting thereand I was like, they're going
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three point guards, Jason Tatumand Al Horford, and they're not
getting exploited.
I, I can't believe this.
Like it's over.
I don't know.
Like Sam Hauser is like, uh,looks like an elite defender.
What, what are we, what's goingon?
He was locking up PJ for aminute there.
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He was locked in.
He's not hitting his shots.
But no, there's one thing he'sproved this year is that he can
actually play some defense.
So yeah, not up to him.
But the, I mean, the guardlineup, that's what they really
do.
I mean, they're bringingPorzingis off the bench now.
Hopefully he's okay.
It looked like he hurt his calf.
Yeah.
He looked like he wasn'thealthy.
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I wouldn't even play him in gamethree.
You don't need to.
He's he's just been so elite.
He's been so good.
The Mavericks are switchingthese pick and rolls with him.
And all he has to do is justlook at the hoop.
Nobody's tall enough to even puta hand in his face.
So it's a block party, dude.
He's getting blocks.
Derek White's getting blocks.
Jalen Brown's getting blocks.
Al Horford.
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It's a block party in the paint,dude.
When, when, when Derek Whiteswatted Kyrie, when he
volleyball spiked Kyrie, I waslike, holy crap, Kyrie
signature, hold it.
Yes.
Wait, let me adjust.
I'm gonna let you go by me.
And then, yeah, it's the perfectmatchup.
That's what these guys do.
That's what they do.
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And Drew Holliday wasunbelievable today.
I think he was 11 for 1426points.
Second most he's ever, he scoredin that Celtics jersey.
Like if he catches the ball inthe paint, it looks like it's
going in no matter what.
I don't care what hand he'sgoing up with, what angle it's
going up from.
He is incredibly efficient withhis, his moves, His timing.
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He's the guy that everybodywants on their team.
They were talking about thisduring the game, like, oh dude,
he has the highest winpercentage in the last four
years.
Like since Covid.
Yeah.
He's the guy that anybody wantson their team.
He's the well, and he's, he'sjust, he, he always lets the
game come to him.
He's the perfect, so patient.
So patient.
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Yeah.
He's the perfect third option.
Mm-Hmm.
He may be, he may be one of thegreatest third options.
in basketball because he just,he never had an option, a two
option, a now a three option.
And it's, I'll give you 26points.
He never, he doesn't overvaluehimself.
He takes the challenge ondefense.
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He makes the right playconsistently and he takes timely
shots and makes them like he is.
There's no question why thatman's going to be on team USA.
No question.
Because he is just, there maynever have been a better glue
guy in the history of theleague.
Like you could call him glueholiday.
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That should be his nickname.
I'm serious.
His nickname should be glueholiday because he is the
greatest glue guy I've seen inthe past decade.
I swear.
He'll take any matchup, anymatchup.
It's, it's, he plays beautifulbasketball.
We're two games in, um, talk tome finals MVP halfway through
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the series.
Cause that's what it feels like.
Uh, who would you, who are yougiving the award to right now?
Who's trending there to, to winit?
It's Jalen Brown.
It's Jalen Brown.
Especially media picks it.
This isn't based off stats.
He's taking the Luka matchup.
He's the one who's dominating onthe offensive end.
He's making big plays, electricplays.
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He's doing it all.
I mean, Drew Holiday had a greatgame.
Uh, probably been the mostimpactful player.
Uh, Jason Tatum, it's not likehe's taking a backup role, but
this dude is almost averaging atriple double.
He had 10 assists halfwaythrough the third quarter.
Yeah, he had eight at halftime.
He's doing what his team needshim to do.
Getting and ones, moving theball.
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On driving kicks.
He's, he's winning.
It's winning play.
And he's, and he's beingaggressive.
He, he, he went for three dunks.
He didn't make a single one ofthem, but he was, he was going
for the highlight play.
Yeah.
Like he was, he was going forit.
Tatum would win it if half ofthe shots he's missed.
Go in.
Yes, I completely agree.
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Um, I think, yeah, he was one.
He's one rebound away from atriple doubles tonight.
Uh, if he puts together a few 30point games for three and four
or two out of the three games,probably that we see for the
finals, then maybe you can makea case for it.
But if Jalen Brown keepsdefending the way he has, uh, if
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he gets up a left handed lay upa game, I think this guy's gonna
win MVP at this point, if wecalled it now, I'm giving it to
Jalen Brown.
I think he's been the bestplayer.
Why do people, like, what is itthat people have against Tatum?
It's the narrative.
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It's, it's the, what he does tothe media.
It's the, the, the Kobe texts.
It's the, the not winning.
I think that's, that's a bigpart of it.
The expectation was so high forthis guy coming into a Celtics
team who was already successfulbefore he got there.
Um, the narrative was there areason this team shouldn't be a
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champion in a couple of yearsback in 2017.
So the fact that we're in 2024,this is his second finals
appearance.
Um, I think it's just a lot ofanger of this guy should have
won before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, and, and like the, the, theKobe nods, I think are not
helping him even wearing the,the Kobe draft shirt for game
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one, it's like, I got you today.
That's the worst thing he couldhave done.
I just don't get it because likehe doesn't back it up.
Never has.
He never has backed it up.
Even if he wins this ring, hedidn't back it up.
I think that with Tatum, it'slike we wanted Tatum to be the
guy.
He's just not the guy.
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It's like when you watch, was itspy kids three?
And all of a sudden you see thedude walk in.
He goes, I'm the guy and he getsone shot and he has like 99
lives to zero and all of asudden I think like juni ends up
having to be the guy like that'sliterally what it is tatum like
I'm the guy and then he hitsthree dunks off the front of the
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rim and we're looking at JalenBrown like I guess it's him.
I guess you're the guy.
I guess you're the guy.
I don't know.
I think what's tough is, isTatum is a, he's a good dude.
Like, at heart, he's a, he's areally good dude.
Um, I don't think you can knockthe guy for, you can't knock the
guy in terms of his character,in terms of, um, his willingness
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to show up and, and, and playhis best.
And he owns, he owns hismistakes.
He, but he just, there's this itquality, That he just doesn't
quite have.
He's got all the pieces of a 1 Aplayer, but he's a, he's a 1 C
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player.
He's not even really a go to guyat the end of the games, like.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's Derek White holding theball up to him.
What would you say, what wouldyou, what would you say Tatum's
like signature move is?
His, uh, step back three.
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Yeah, but that's not even a goodshot for him.
He hasn't been hitting it.
But when I think, I think of asidestep, the sidestep three,
yeah, the site, that's what Imeant.
The sidestep three or, uh, a midrange shots.
It's not like he's doing crazystuff around the room.
He's a good finisher.
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The most signature thing that Ican think of is his sidestep
body roll three.
Yeah, man, dude, I don't know.
It feels and I'm biased, right?
Like I'm biased.
I got the Ant Man shirt rightnow.
Okay, I'm biased.
But it feels like guys like Ant,they just have this it factor.
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Luca has it factor.
He's got this aura.
When you look at those guys,because it's not like Anthony
Edwards is a winner.
I mean, he's taken, uh,Minnesota as far as they've ever
been in the history of thefranchise.
So to Minnesota, he's a winner,but it, you know, in NBA terms,
he hasn't won anything.
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What's, what's the differencebetween guys like Ant who
haven't won anything, but seemto be getting that, like the
snowballs rolling for him.
Whereas Tatum has won at a highlevel.
He's been in the finals.
He's about to win his firstfinals, but just doesn't have
it.
Like what's the difference?
What's the difference?
The difference?
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It's age here.
If, if we go back to 2018, 2019,Jason Tatum was getting these
comparisons.
It's, it's that, that it's time.
He's 26 now.
And it's the continuous joke ofJason Tatum's only 19.
Like people still make jokesabout it because it's like, this
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guy's, he's been young for solong, forgetting how old he is.
Him and Devin Booker have neveraged.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like they're, they've been youngstars their entire career, no
matter if they're supposed to bein their prime or not.
But Ant is, he's, he's.
He's so young.
He's 22.
Uh, I'm sure we were saying thesame thing about Jason Tatum
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four or five years ago.
Like, yeah, there's the, thepeople saying Ants never won.
It was the same thing for him.
Went to the Eastern ConferenceFinals, but lost.
Um, Luca, super, superconsistent guy, but, uh, He's
never won anything, and he's alittle bit younger, a little bit
different case, because he's,you know, the European prodigy.
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But, I think every case isdifferent, but for Jason Tatum,
he's kind of dug himself a bitof a hole.
Yeah, shifting gears to Luca andDallas, this to me feels like
Luca's character development.
Like, like this is his canonevent.
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He has to lose this finals to,and don't, it wouldn't surprise
me if losing this finals isactually what gets him to, to
like lock in and take nutritionmore seriously in the off season
to get in better shape.
I don't, I'm never going to sayLucas should reinvent his game.
I, that is like blasphemous.
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But in terms of work ethicthrough the offseason, how he
takes care of his body andthings of that nature, I do
believe there's a, there's agenuine belief that he could go
another level.
And if, if, if there's one thingthat this series proves, um, or
shows, is that if Luca wants towin at this level, he might need
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to take a few things a littlebit more seriously.
And it may not be for him.
It may not be for him, but it'sthe type of thing that everybody
else sees and it raises thestandard, right?
I agree.
I agree.
We're probably going to lookback on this and, uh, Luca, the
champion 2027, whatever year itis, uh, and it's going to be,
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you know, Uh, that, that lossmade me realize what kind of
work it takes to be a champion.
Yeah.
That type of thing.
I could definitely see thathappening.
That I, this is, I, I, this iswhat it feels like to me.
And it, it's, it's the DirkNowitzki track reincarnated.
Where Dirk lost that finals insix.
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Yeah, he loses it in oh six.
He loses to Wade and Shaq and hemet him.
He said, like, if I don't losethat finals, I don't win in
2011.
I think it's going to be thesame, except that Luca has this
aptitude for greatness.
That's, that's.
higher than Dirk.
He I don't think anybody wouldbe surprised if I said when Luke
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retires, he's gonna have threechampionships.
You go there.
I could see it because I justthink he has that that ceiling.
But I do believe that this is aseries that that opens that door
for him.
If you're the Dallas Mavericks,you're looking at kind of what's
going on.
You're Jason kid.
You go into that locker room.
What message are you trying togive your team?
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But like I said earlier, Theycovered home court.
That's what they were supposedto do.
Now it's our chance to go and dothe same thing.
That's, I mean, that's reallyall you can say.
I mean, you got to move on fromit, but the message should be
now we get to go back home.
I think for me, I would just,I'd probably go in there and I
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would say, look, guys, it's timefor us to focus on going home.
And we got to take this seriesone game at a time.
Let's stop looking at the finalsas the finals.
Let's stop looking at it as aseven game series.
Let's focus on this one game andlet's figure out what we need to
do to win this one game.
with two games worth of data tohelp us make the best decisions
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possible.
Like, let's not look at it likewe gotta win the next two, we
gotta win this, that, and theother.
Let's just focus on this onegame.
It's not game three, it's thenext game.
Look at this as the next game,figure out what you want to do
to play better in the next game,and let's go win the next game.
And I think that's probably mymessage because when they turn
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on the TV, that's all they'regoing to hear, right?
It's your turn.
It's your time to defend thehome, defend home court, defend
home court.
And I want my message to cutdifferent than what they're
hearing.
Everybody else say the hope isthat it does kind of create this
us against everybody else.
There's this common theme in thelocker room.
I don't know.
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Am I crazy?
That's, that's kind of thedirection I'm going.
No, I mean, it's valid, but Ijust coming from a player coach
standpoint, I assume Jason Kiddkeeps it real with them and he
tells them they defended theirhome court.
And now it's our chance to dothat.
But if he takes that route thatyou're talking about, I think it
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could be successful for themtoo, because you're down to, oh,
you can't look at it as you'redown to, oh, you have to look at
it as.
We're just, we just need to winthe next one.
So whatever Jason kid decides tosay, it'll probably work because
it seemed like they'd been insimilar type situations.
I mean, they started off theseries to the Clippers with a
huge L and they, so it's.
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It's just another bounce backmoment for the team.
And if any team can do it, it'sa team who has faced some
adversity and made it to thefinals.
So I mean, only time will tell,but we're here now.
And in a few days, we'll get tosee what they come out with the
home.
I don't know about you.
I feel like that really wraps upany, any coverage that we've got
for the finals.
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I mean, I've got Boston winningit.
I had Boston winning it goingin.
I thought it was going to be asix game series.
I thought Dallas was going tocome in and win this game.
They didn't.
Uh, but there is other newsthat's happening in the
basketball space and believe itor not, it's the WNBA, the
latest, the late, I mean, therehas been so much that's come out
with the, with the Caitlin Clarkstuff, the players shoving her
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down, uh, Angel Reese.
cheering on the sideline when ithappens.
Angel Reese wanting to claimthat, you know, she's also the
reason why women's basketball isas big as it is and that, uh,
she deserves a bunch of praise,which I think is a crazy
statement to make.
Whether it's true or not, it's awild statement to make publicly.
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Not privately, not that it getsleaked, not that it's like your
friend saying this is how shefeels, but to say it publicly is
crazy.
But beyond that, it was CaitlinClarke not making Team USA, and
one of the reasoning being they,that they were afraid of what
the fans would do if she didn'tplay a lot of minutes.
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So now we're, we're, we'rekeeping players off of teams
because of hypotheticalcircumstances.
That's like saying LeBron Jamescan't be on Team USA because the
bronze sexuals out there wouldlose it if he doesn't play
enough.
This is, this is, this isridiculous.
It's a very sorry excuse.
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What the heck is going on?
There, I have learned there isso much pettiness in that
league.
Yes.
An unmeasurable amount of dramathat just comes from hate, just
pure hate.
And at first I didn't want tobelieve it, but it all started
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when national championship gameends and Diana Taurasi decides
to be like, reality is coming.
And you get all the, it's, it's,it's like when LeBron came into
the league and they'reinterviewing the Cavs and
they're like, I don't think aplayer can come in and affect us
like that.
But this is like an entireleague.
This isn't just a team.
It's everybody, dude.
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And I saw this, it was a commentand it said they are quite
literally biting the hand thatfeeds them.
Yeah.
The hate is from the one personwho is making any sort of
coverage possible for yourleague.
You got players stillcomplaining about having to fly
commercial.
And this is, this is still anonprofit league besides Caitlin
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Clark.
Yeah.
There there's so much hate andit's.
It's quite sad.
I, I don't know why Team USAwouldn't put Kaitlyn Clark on
the team besides being petty.
Okay, and why is Diana Taurasistill on the freaking team,
dude?
She's played like 140 games forTeam USA.
Why don't you just hang it upand let somebody else play for
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the love?
Oh my gosh.
Wait, I need to see.
Oh my gosh.
I'm looking up.
Right now she's played.
I think she's played 138 gamesfor team USA, dude.
It is, it is ridiculous.
Uh, how long is the WNBA season,bro?
The WNBA season is 40 games.
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Okay, she's played three and ahalf seasons just for the Team
USA in comparison to the WNBA.
It's ridiculous.
She's averaging 16 5 and justunder two assists.
You don't think Kaitlyn Clarkcan give you 16?
Kaitlyn is putting up better,all better numbers, but on a
worse team.
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Okay, and like dude, yeah, butyou can't, you can't double, you
can't double Kaitlyn Clark forTeam USA.
She's getting the open looks.
And she's, she's making them.
It's bro.
One of the things that made thedream team, the dream team was
that they were must see TV foranybody that never would have
the chance to see all of theseguys play the game of
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basketball.
I'm not saying Caitlin Clark isgoing to create a women's
version of the dream team.
But this was the greatestopportunity in the history of
women's basketball to have alleyes on your sport.
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And you absolutely just threw itaway.
Threw it away.
Completely.
I I just can't wrap my mindaround it.
I don't believe that peopleshould make it easy.
Like, like you bring up a greatpoint.
And I think that more people onnational television should
should bring up this point.
There's two players that theyshould talk about when they're
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saying, Hey, when have we seenthis Kate and Clark stuff
happened before Lonzo ball was ahuge one, but that was because
of his father.
And there were a ton of playersthat were like, I'm going to,
I'm going to make tonight hellfor you.
Yeah.
Because of your dad and theother is LeBron James where
people were like, Oh, we'regoing to talk like LeBron James
is the, he's the second coming.
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I don't believe it.
I don't believe this guy's goingto be that great.
And then they saw him play.
They saw him play and they werelike, no, this guy's actually
amazing.
That's exactly what it is.
And the great example is 2004Olympics team and 2012 Olympics
team.
We have a first year LeBronJames on the team.
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2012, we have Anthony Davis whohas never played an NBA game on
Team USA.
So it's not like it's never beendone before.
Uh, dude, Christian Laettner wason, Christian Laettner was on a
team.
He was from the Dream Team.
He was on the Dream Team.
Like, we kept, we kept IsaiahThomas off the Dream Team.
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We had Christian Laettner.
You're telling me we can't sitDiana Taurasi and bring Caitlin
Clark?
No, for, in terms of USAviewership, I don't know how
much it's gonna affect Worldwideviewership for the, for the, for
women's women's Olympicbasketball.
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But yes, for team USA, if youwant your people watching your
games, why wouldn't you bringthe most popular woman?
In the sport with you and itgets worse, dude.
Now, now that I, I saw, I saw,um, I can't remember who it was.
Somebody in the WNBA, they saidthat, uh, people want to talk
about how this, this rookiedraft class is one of the best
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rookie draft classes.
They're like, this isn't eventhe best one in the last 10
years.
We've had multiple draft classesbetter than this one.
It's like, what is wrong withyou people?
Cameron Brink is just catchingstrays for no reason.
She's been legit.
Like, what are we doing?
It's an elite level ofpettiness.
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These people is real.
The, uh, there's, there's thatweird statistic.
Nearly one third of all lotterywinners go broke.
It's this, it's, it's aridiculous stat that you win
hundreds of millions of dollarsand you go broke.
And the reason why is becausethese people are not ready to
have that much money.
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They don't know what to do withit.
And so they just blow it.
And to me, it feels like theWNBA won the lottery.
They hit on three picks.
Caitlin Clark is massive.
She's the, she is the hero.
Angel Reese is the villain.
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She is the counterpart toCaitlin Clarke.
She is willing to be thevillain.
I think she's widely consideredthe villain.
I don't believe there's a racething with Caitlin Clarke.
I think the race stuff isridiculous.
I think the fact that she's astraight woman is ridiculous.
Sabrina Ionescu is straight anda baller and awesome, and I
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don't think it has anything todo with it.
So, I don't think it's a racething, I think those arguments
are ridiculous, they'renarrative driven, it's people
trying to get clicks on ESPN.
And Cameron Brink is just solid.
She's got ties to Steph Curry,and has been great, and is
playing in LA.
Like, the WNBA hit the lottery,put it into a parlay, and then
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won.
The parlay and then decided thatthey were going to light the
money on fire.
Like the Joker.
I, I, I just, I, I've never seenanything like this.
It's just like these people,they don't want to actually be
successful.
They don't want to be famous orthey want all the things they
want, what they can't have.
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Now it's, it's our fault becausewe didn't cover the league three
years ago or five years ago.
Um, One person on their phone issaying, have you talked to
Caitlin Clark?
And all of a sudden they'recalling it harassment.
Uh, we deserve private jets,even though our league doesn't
make any revenue.
The first person to sell outarenas, we're just going to
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ostracize and literally try tolike put her on the sideline.
We're going to try and injureher.
Um, I have no problem with,with, with, uh, Hard fouls.
I have no problem with teamswanting to be aggressive and
wanting her to prove herself.
It's all the off the floor stuffthat just, I can't wrap my head
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around.
It's too much.
It's, it's so forced and maybeit's a plan to just keep drawing
media in.
Bad publicity is still some sortof publicity.
So any publicity is goodpublicity.
They get something out of it.
So it's maybe it's a mediathing, but I mean, it can't be,
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if you're kicking her off, notkicking her off, but not
including her on team USA, noteven giving her a chance, not
even giving her a chance iscrazy.
And it's, it's what's beingtalked about right now.
So it's, it wasn't just going tobe like this, uh, let's move on.
It's going to be talked aboutthrough the entire thing.
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Yeah.
I mean, I don't plan on watchingany of the games now.
I don't, I'm going to be honest.
I like watching Caitlin Clark.
I don't like watching reallyanybody else.
I'll watch it.
Caitlin has been playing forthe, for years.
She's never drawn anybody to atelevision set.
Never.
Maybe we're a little bias, but Ithink it's pretty obvious.
(37:08):
That there is a level of hategoing on around Kaitlyn Clark
and I, that's how it is with anystar, but it, it really hurts to
seek because she's such a humbleperson.
She never has ill intent at all.
And it's all just crashing down.
Yeah.
And this is, uh, this is theprice of fame for the WNBA as a
(37:29):
whole, like the.
I mean, just go look at whatpeople say about LeBron James,
Jason Tatum, Jalen Brunson, LukaDoncic, Kyrie Irving.
Name the great player.
Let's not forget, people hatedKobe Bryant.
People hated Kobe Bryant.
There were commercials about howmuch people hated Kobe Bryant
(37:50):
when he played.
People hated that man.
That's it.
It comes with the territory.
People hate Tom Brady.
People hate Patrick Mahomes.
People hate these teams becausethey're great.
And when you get a taste ofgreatness, you gotta be, you
gotta be ready.
Okay.
It's, if you're not, it's like,it's like if you're, you're
(38:13):
playing video games in a, in, ina dark room and your mom comes
and turns the lights on, yougotta be ready for the moment.
Okay.
You can't just, you can't beclose in your eyes trying to
wave around and figure outwhat's going on.
You gotta be ready when thelights come on because the
lights are here.
Now people are, they'reinterested.
And if you, and if you don'tfigure it out, You're going to
(38:36):
go right back to where you werebefore.
Yeah.
She's peaked people's interestand they're shutting her down.
It's, it doesn't make any sensefrom any standpoint.
This is what they'd beensearching for for years.
Oh yeah.
Any sort of league, you lookback at the NBA and the lady who
was on first take talking abouthow you weren't talking about us
(38:58):
three or four years ago.
There was times that the NBA wason tape delay.
It's okay.
Well, yeah, yes.
And yes.
And there have been multipletimes that there have been
legitimate female collegebasketball players on their way
into the WBA that people weren'tinterested in Brittany Griner
was a dominant player.
(39:19):
People were interested inBrittany Griner when she played
in college.
And when she went to the WNBA,she disappeared.
There were players like Deladon,Skylar Diggins.
There were, there were names ofthese players that we watched.
Brianna Stewart.
We watched, Kelsey Plumb, wewatched these players.
And when they got to thatleague, it was like Aang.
(39:41):
He, they vanished.
The avatar vanished.
Okay.
That is when they needed when,when we needed the most, they
vanished.
Caitlin Clark is the firstplayer to translate.
She's the first one to translatewhere people are still willing
to follow and watch and payattention because I genuinely
believe that the coverage hasbeen there for the stars as
(40:04):
they've gone in, but the leaguejust hasn't been able to put
them in a position to actuallybe successful for anybody to
care or for anybody to watch.
And now as soon as they've gotsomebody, now they've got
somebody and it's, and that, andwhat we have a problem, like, I
don't like what, what did theywant?
What was the archetype of aplayer that they wanted?
(40:25):
Uh, that, that, that's the partI don't get.
Like, would it be better if itwas Cameron Brink?
I don't know.
Her first, they do want it tobe.
Horrible.
The fever barely win.
She puts up great numbers, butall these incredible athletes
were giving her the hardesttime, her first few years in the
league, and then she They wanther to be a bust.
(40:48):
They want her to be a bust.
Yeah, the hate is real.
I've never said anything moretoxic in professional sports
maybe in my life.
Me neither than the WNBA.
Um, well, if you're stilllistening, I do just want to let
you know, we've, we've got, Ithink one episode left in us
(41:10):
this season before we closethings out on season two of the
Swiss list podcast.
I want to give you guys apreview of really what you're
going to see from us.
If you're new and you haven'tfollowed the podcast, I want to
let you guys know kind of howthings go following the finals.
Um, normally Roman and I, wetake a break, we kind of let
things settle down a little bit,and then we, we pop in.
(41:32):
A couple of times during the,uh, when free agency really
starts to talk through, uh, whatplayers got traded, who got
moved, what's going on.
Um, there's a really goodchance.
You're going to get a coupleepisodes around the team USA
games.
We're going to talk through kindof what we're seeing on the
floor.
Um, Can this Avenger squadreally do it, given how old
(41:52):
everybody is?
Uh, and then and then thingsreally start to spool up again
as we get closer to the nextseason.
But, um, it's it's crazy thatwe're getting close to the end
of season two.
This this one has been.
It's been so much fun, mainlybecause I feel like we've kind
of found our lane a little bitmore in terms of what we like to
(42:15):
talk about and and how it flows.
I think we've both grown a lot,um, this season and, uh, it's
it's been, it's been a ton offun.
Roman, is there anything youwant to talk about before we
close this thing out?
We covered, we covered it.
It's just the finals.
It's what's going on with theWNBA.
That's basketball right now.
That's it man.
(42:35):
I mean, listen, the next time wetalk, maybe, you know, We'll
have another potential Lakershead coach.
I'm not sure, but I think it'ssafe for us to just wait a week
before we talk about the Lakerscoaching situation because we
might be talking about the wrongcandidate.
The Dan Hurley stuff, we'regoing to wait and see.
Rumor is a hundred milliondollar contract is floating out
(42:56):
there, five, seven million,maybe something in that range.
Um, and JJ Redick very well maystill be on the table.
So there is some interest.
There are some conversationshappening in Laker land.
Uh, there's a few coachingdecisions that do need to be
made, but all of those willhopefully be answered by the
time we deliver the nextepisode.
Uh, if you're not already givingus a follow, please go ahead and
(43:18):
subscribe to this, uh, subscribeto our YouTube channel at
Swishless pod.
Follow us on social media.
We're on all your favoriteplatforms and make sure to send
this episode.
If you enjoyed it to someonethat needs to learn the game.
Did somebody put money on Dallasand they need to hedge?
Uh, send them this episode.
Maybe we can help them out.
(43:39):
Um, but once again, weappreciate anybody that's
listening and Roman send us off.
Episode 23, We Are Winding Down,is coming towards the end.
Looks like we might have achampion.
We'll keep you updated.
We're hoping for a good week forthe Mavericks to continue this,
this finals.
Maybe you are.
But I don't want the Mavericks.
(44:04):
But I guess we'll just have tosee.
Uh, we're here for you.
We want to talk, uh, let us knowyour thoughts.
If you disagree with any of thepoints that were made, we're on
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It's, it's really gettingridiculous.
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