Derek chats to Ces Podd - Bradford City's record appearance holder and one of the first black players to play in English football.
We hear about his upbringing and how difficult it was for him growing up as a black kid in Leeds, dealing with racist abuse as a youngster and as a player, his love of Bradford and why he stayed for as long as he did, being talked out of retirement by Neil Warnock and being part of that famous Scarborough side that won promotion to the football league.
We also hear about his coaching at Leeds United, St Kitts and Nevis and St Lucia where he now works as Technical director of the FA as well as his dancing school and much more in between.
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