#243: Rob Pace with Brendan Gardoll: Chomping Rails, and Skater/Filmer Dynamics.

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, it's Shan here this week I catch up with,
professional skateboarder forSanta Cruz Skateboards.
He's also been the winner ofSlam Magazine Skater of the Year
.
He's had a Thrasher Magazinecover shot.
He's been nominated as aThrasher Skater of the Year.
It's Mr Rob Pace.
We're joined by Rob's closefriend, brendan Gardoll, and I'm

(00:47):
reluctant to refer to Brendanas just Rob's filmer because
he's so much more than that.
He's a close friend, he's amotivator, he is a spot finder
and, yes, he has beenresponsible for filming much of
Rob's skateboarding over theyears.
It was so great spending sometime with these guys.
They're just like the bestdudes.

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I really noticed the depth oftheir friendship but also their
work ethic.
They just work hard at whatthey do and they love it.
They have been doing it for alot of years now, so they've got
it sussed.
There's a visual episode thisweek, so we've done a full video
production and I highlyrecommend you watch it because

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Brendan shared so much contentwith me for the episode and we
do watch a lot of Rob's clipsSome you've seen, some you
haven't seen, but either way,rob just talks us through it,
like some of the gnarly railsthat he's done and you've
probably seen he talks usthrough it, like some of the

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gnarly rails that he's done, andyou've probably seen he talks
us through it, so it's superspecial.
This will be my last officialepisode of the year.
Next week I'm releasing anepisode uh, called 2024 in
review with close friends jimturvey and ty coaling, and we
just recap the year.
So I suggest you look out forthat and I definitely recommend
you checking out the terriblehappy youtube channel and
watching this episode, becausethere's just bangers and it's

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good fun.
So sit back, relax and get toknow mr rob pace and brendan
gardoll, everyone Gardall,everyone Cheers.
Rob Pace, Brendan Gardallwelcome back.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's good to get a second chance at it.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Hey, life's all about second chances apparently it's
rare.
Yeah, how are you feeling today?

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Rob.
Good, I'm stoked to be here.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Man stoked to have you and look, I am going to tell
the back story.
This is our second run at it.
A few tech issues and just Iwant to say thank you for, for
you know, coming back and, um,not giving up getting it done
we've got to get it done, dudeis that your philosophy in
everything you do?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
um, I try to try, try to get everything done.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
See how you go, honestly so like, how many times
will you go back for a trick?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
um, I try to, just I do definitely try to get it done
on the on the first, the firstsession yeah go as hard as you
can until your body just doesn'tlet you do it anymore.
But yeah, that sucks having togo back a second or a third time
, especially depending on whatyou're doing too.
Sometimes it can be like prettymentally draining.

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So try to get it done one timeif you can what's the most
you've ever gone back for atrick?
oh, jesus, maybe like, probably,like, four times I think what
was the?
Spot, think yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
It has to be.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think there's been more likenot going back for tricks too,
like because it's just toognarly or something.
But he's definitely gone back afew.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I don't know I feel, like a lot of the ones, that you
go back for a lot of the time,either because you're getting
booted out all the time orthere's something else at hand
as well.
You know what I mean?
You've been hurt there beforeor something.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So it's generally beyond your control.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's just skating.
I feel like sometimes, when youskate in certain spots it's
just the boot thing.
That's the boot that alwayshappens at spots.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Have you ever paid off a security guard?
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I love those stories that always happens at spots.
Have you ever paid off asecurity guard?
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I love those stories.
I want to hear pros paying offsecurity guards.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Just give out free merch.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Really no manuals merch.
No manuals merch.
I haven't done it yet, but it'sa good idea.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Or they leave us alone when we tell them we're
filming for Netflix or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Do you do that?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
That's what works good.
Everyone knows what Netflix is,so if you're on the session and
you want them to leave youalone, you just say we're
filming for Netflix.
What do they say?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh, wow, well, yeah, get their phones out and film it
.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Do you ever say I'm a pro for Santa Cruz?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I'll try not to run that one.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Why not I?

Speaker 4 (05:22):
don't know, it just feels a bit weird.
If someone else says it, thenit's maybe different, but I mean
, I'm definitely not going tosay that.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
He rolls around with a Sharpie in his pocket though,
just in case, you know, sign anautograph, just sign something.
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
You must sign some stuff every now and then.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I do sign some stuff.
Yeah, we, I do sign some stuff.
Yeah, we do the Santa Cruzsignings and they're pretty cool
.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah yeah, shop signings, yeah Nice.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
They normally have pretty big turnouts too, just
depending on certain zones thatwe go to.
We went to Japan not so longago and that was pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, in terms of what Hype?

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, there's just so many people out there that back
the brand.
So we went out there and wewent to a bunch of shops and
skate parks, did some signingsand just like really good
turnouts.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, sick, yeah, Like.
Out of all the countries youtravel to like yeah, do you feel
that vibe from Japan?
What other countries have thatsort of hype around
skateboarding and the brand?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Definitely, just like even Santa Cruz itself, like in
the city there, we did the50-year anniversary there and
that was crazy.
The whole city backed it Likeit was really mental Sick dude
yeah 50 years.
So, man, they've been aroundfor a long time.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's established right.
And I guess, while we'retalking about it, as you were
coming up, you might have hadsome offers from other brands,
like why did you choose SantaCruz over other companies?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I feel like Santa cruz, like they just had like
really good transparency at thestart.
They basically just said how itwas going to be and I was just
super hyped to like see thatsomething that you don't really
see very much in the industry.
So yeah, when they sort of laidit out on the table like that,
I was like man, I'm hyped onthis, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, nice.
So I also want to know likefilming and being filmed for
your skateboarding to sort ofpropel you to these positions
within skateboarding?
How did you and Brendan meetoriginally?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
We were just kids, just skating.
Yeah just skating all the time.
I think I met you through Rileyyeah.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Riley Walker from Board World photographer legend.
He went to school with Rob, sothey grew up skating together.
And then I met Riley at a localskate park.
He'd come down from the coastand then we ended up skating
together every weekend for acouple months.
And then he's like, hey, I'vegot a mate, Can he come?
Like yeah.
And then, yeah, it's from then.

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I don't know, that was maybe 12years ago, something like that.
Yeah, a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
What clicks with you, like what works.
I don't care who answers it.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh man, I don't know, we're just good mates, I, we're
just good mates.
I mean it's not about filming,like being his filmer, so to
speak.
That's silly.
I mean we're just friends andI'm helping him get where I
helped him get where he wantedto be, and I mean that was I do
it for that reason, to help myfriends, you know.
So I guess that, and we bothkind of have the same approach

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in a sense.
We both have real world jobs,we're both one foot in, one foot
out of skating.
We have other stuff that we do,so we sort of get each other in
that way and it works, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
It's been a pretty good team.
He finds all these really coolspots.
We have one day in the week andthen we just go out and try to
get it.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
So you've actually discussed that Like look, is it
Saturdays, sundays?

Speaker 4 (08:47):
It's always Saturdays .

Speaker 2 (08:47):
We just skate Saturdays, so what you work,
Monday to Friday.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
And then Saturdays it's on.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, saturday is like the big day normally, and
if it rains Saturday we justlike it's pretty depressing.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Do a podcast.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Like today yeah exactly.
There's nothing else to do,right, even even on the sunday,
though like it's rare if we goout skating like both days,
because we just like you knowyou just go do like other life
stuff, I think, I guess.
But yeah, so saturday is likeeven monday to friday, we're
always like texting each otherlike all right, this is the plan

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seven o'clock, then we're goingto go here and just see what
happens.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
See that work ethic.
So you're pro for Santa Cruz,right, but are you still working
Monday to Friday in a regularjob?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
I work Monday to Friday.
Yeah, I'm doing like 12-hourdays minimum Right, working for
my family business.
Been there for like 12 years orsomething now.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
But yeah, it's a bit of a passion, I love it I was
gonna say how much is it forlove and how much is it for
money.
If you don't mind me askingyeah, is it a necessity?

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I mean, it's not a necessity now we've like
skateboarding, where I'm at withskating, but it's something
that I just think I just reallyenjoy.
So I just want to stay, staythere, you know, be there with
my dad, and I've been there forso many years now too, so I feel
like the company is just like.
I just want to be part of it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I love it.
What do you love about it?

Speaker 4 (10:19):
We just like we do a lot of like engineering and
design, and it's just somethingthat I've always been pretty
passionate about outside ofskating, building stuff,
creating things using your mind,learning new skills.
Um, recently, like doing alllike computer design stuff.
So it's pretty cool to be ableto like draw something on a
computer and then make it likein real life, you know, and do
all the processes to create apiece of metal, basically to

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whatever you want it to be.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, so it's cool, love that right man full
craftsman vibes yeah, he was uhtelling me on a couple of tours
I mean all the time probably, hetakes his laptop with him and
then when he's on the longdrives and that he's got it out
working right.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, interesting design and stuff.
Is it fair to say that thatcreativity and that focus is
maybe helping your skateboarding?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think so too.
Yeah, I think something that'sreally good about it is it keeps
skating really fresh for me.
So like when I go out on theweekends I'm super driven to
just go out and just get it,because I'm not just always
doing the same thing all thetime and like burning myself out
.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
So it's it's a good thing to have another hobby that
sort of takes up, you know, abit of other time well, it's a
bit more than a hobby, becauseyou've had the cover of Thrasher
magazine, you've had the coverof Slam magazine and, uh, I
don't know, to get those covetedpages, you've kind of taken

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things to the next level.
So we've got your Thrashercover up and I want to talk
about that day.
So where's this rail and howdid the whole thing come about?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
So, man, this rail was in LA but I had originally
seen it as an independent adthat was in thrasher by kevin
backel.
He was doing a 50 on it and Ijust remember seeing and going.
This just looks like one ofthose rails you could
potentially, you know, do like acombo, combo, trick on it and

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I've just, I don't know, thosespots are just like I feel like
a gold and uh, ended up figuringit out to you and ended up
figuring it out.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
To you.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
I ended up figuring it out like where it was by
Rhino and we just went out thereand as soon as I was standing
at the top of it, I was like Ijust knew.
I was like I think it's game,like it's game on.
Yeah, I'm going to try doanything I can on this little
drop down.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
So what made you think to go to backsmith on the
drop part of it?

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I always do like I've done a whole bunch of like over
the back rails, like, just likeollieing over the back of it
and doing the 50, and then theone that I've always loved to do
is backsmith.
So doing the drop down while itwas directly straight felt like
that was the most natural oneto do.
Nice.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
And yeah, yeah.
And then there's, like you know, the video.
I like it's a sequence shot,but the video is insane because,
like, when you land, whathappens?
Like you snap your tail.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Oh yeah, the snap, the snap, kick, roll away, let's
get that video up because it'sso sick.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Here it is.
I love this.
I just love that process.
There it is bang so satisfyingwere you there that day?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
nah, nah that's in the states I was at work that
was my first snap kick roll awayas well, so that was like
insane that feeling was crazy,yeah, yeah how many shots did
that take, yeah?
man, that was a battle.
I took some like heavy ones.
Yeah, I was like missing thelocking and like hitting the

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flat my ribs.
I think I did that maybe threeor four times, yeah, um, and I
knew that one of them I waspretty concerned with, like with
my rib, because I remember itjust hurting so bad, but I was
so just so much adrenaline, Iwanted it so bad yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Here's another angle of it.
Yes, oh, look at that.
Just clean break yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, that was a good day.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
And look at the crew.
So is that Colin Provost?
Who else was there that day?
I can't really remember.
It's got like Colin.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Provost?
Who else was there that day?
I can't really remember.
It's got like Colin there.
It was just a good hype.
Shreddy in the back there he'sdoing like some of the OJ stuff
now for NHS.
But yeah, good hype, good crew.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, did you know it was going to be a Thrasher
cover?
I had no idea that was acomplete surprise, so tell us
about the day you found out,like did they tell you
beforehand or you just found outno came out.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
So I was like I was dead asleep and I I got woken up
from my phone.
I thought my alarm was goingoff.
I kept trying to like turn itoff or whatever, and um, finally
, I looked at my phone and Ijust had like a stupid amount of
like, instagram notifications,like what the?
hell is this?
I looked up like a shop hadposted the cover and it just

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loaded straight onto that and Icouldn't even believe my eyes
for like a second.
Just like springing out of bedand seeing that I was like man,
this is crazy.
And yeah, I just exploded outof bed and was like basically
like running around the houselike a psycho and yeah, it was
insane.
I literally woke my dad up atlike five in the morning or

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whatever the hell it was, andcracked a beer with him and just
sat there and just celebrationI'm actually curious to find out
what the knock-on effect was interms of and that's a lot of
exposure, it's a lot ofcredibility.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Dude, you had a sponsor already at that time.
Were you already writing forsanta cruz?

Speaker 4 (15:52):
no, I actually had no board brand at that time when
I'd done that trick I had noboard sponsor, so who were you
writing for, though?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
who was sponsoring you?

Speaker 4 (16:02):
I used to get boards from real.
Okay, yeah, so I was gettingboards from real for a while and
then, um, just sort of wasstuck yeah, just getting flow,
which was cool, you know,helping me out getting my boards
.
I went on a few trips here andthere, um, and then just like
sort of got to this positionwhere I just felt like it wasn't
really getting me to the nextlevel.

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So I ended up choosing to partways with them and, yeah, I was
just sort of I was, yeah, notjust writing any shoes or
anything.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Were you getting clothes on vulcan then?

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I was getting I was I was getting vulcan stuff, I
believe.
I don't really remember,honestly.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, I think it was Vulcan and no board sponsor.
You went over there on thattrip right after you left Real
and you painted all your boardsblack, just like you know.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Just went out there and just yeah, three months of
just skating as hard as I couldwith all my friends, and then I
had like a few like randomoffers, like come up.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So, yeah, did the offers start flowing in?
Is what I want to get to.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, kind of it kind of did, which was cool because
it was a big help to be able to,you know, get skateboards and
not have to pay for them.
They're not cheap things when,especially when you're doing it
every day, yeah.
So I had like a few littleoffers coming in, but they were
all sort of just similar to justlike you know, I had my eyes

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set on something that was goingto be more career driven.
So I was looking for somethingthat I knew where that was just
going to really project me intothat Sick.
Yeah, I ended up picking SantaCruz because they laid it all
out in the line and just wentfor it Rad.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
How many years ago was that now?
Was it like two years ago Two?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
yeah, two years ago.
Two and a half.
Yeah, two and a half years ago,somewhere around there.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, I remember the cover coming out.
It's like sick Aussie guy.
And then I found out from theCentral Coast.
Oh yeah, seney Coast, go Sene.
I thought you were from Sydney.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
No way Central.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Coast, central Coast pride 100%.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah right, Tummy umby.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
What do you like about it?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
I just like that.
It's low key.
It's not the city, I don't know.
It's an hour between NewcastleCity and Sydney City, so I got
like best of both worlds when itcomes to skating, being able to
go to both places at just anhour's drive.
And then I get to go home andit's yeah, just a lot more laid
back sort of like beach town-ytype of vibe and some pretty

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good people around there.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
In your opinion, though, to get the right
exposure and sort of, I know youskateboard for the love of it,
but in terms of getting to somesponsorship levels, do you feel
in this day and age that you canstay in small towns and still
make it effectively, or do youhave to be close to cities and
have to be in LA and places likethat?

Speaker 4 (19:01):
I think now, with the way the social media is, it
really allows people to stay inthat really wherever they are.
The brands I feel like are justwanting good content really and
videos and all that stuff.
So if you've got a good crewsurrounding you that are willing
to video you and take photos ofyou and they all enjoy it and

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everything's all sick, then Ifeel like everyone's really got
a chance.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, dude, if they want it.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
If they really want it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I don't know I'll be straight.
Some of the rails you do.
I don't know if I really wantit.
I don't know if I ever wantedit, like it's insane.
But I want to go into, likeyou've had Slam Covers, which is
Australia's you know, premierskateboard magazine and also, I
think, the second longestrunning skateboard magazine in
the world.
I think it's second afterThrasher, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (19:51):
I've never actually heard of that before.
It's over 30 years.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's the second longest running skateboard
magazine and you've had twocovers, bro.
It's insane.
Yeah, you know, and as we cansee up on the screen, you and as
you can see up on the screen,you've got that crazy kink rail.
I mean I need to know, like,how broken did you get on that
thing trying it?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
The crazy kink one was actually.
I kind of got out of that onepretty much unscathed.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You did that easy, even though it was raining.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Where was it?
Yeah, that is in.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Granville.
It's in a tafe in Granville.
Yeah, I found it watching a bmxvideo.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah so brendan found it.
Do you have to fix it like no?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I think, no, I don't even think there were blind
bumps at the top of those stairs.
Hey, now there would be, butback then, no, I mean that was
2017.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
So yeah, yeah I do remember, though, like the, we
had to take out some like someof the plants on one side,
because it was like the balezone and if you jumped into
those things they were going tolike take you out.
So I remember, just like fourwent, just ripped out, you can
see kind of see.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
They're all flat in there and how's the little wall
at the bottom?
I mean, was that a hazard, thatlittle?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
I don't think that was there a gap?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
there's like two meters sorry, okay, no, no, no
was there.
There was a two meter gap aboutthat.
Yeah, okay, because it looksclose.
I feel like falling.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
You could fall into it, but it's hard to see
perspective wise yeah, it'sabout as good as it gets with
the triple kink rail really insydney or in australia.
Really, it's just everythingwas good about it, crazy yeah,
and it was wet, it was raining.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
It started raining, yeah it's pouring down.
So you did in the rain.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I was.
Yeah, my board was completelycovered in mud and it was
soaking wet because I was likebail, my board would go into
that garden and it was like somuddy and I actually think I
still have the skateboardsomewhere I kept it.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I kept the skateboard .

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah, because it was your first ever cover yeah, I've
kept like a couple ofskateboards from just like
random things that I've done,just I don't know.
Just keep it then why?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
not.
Did you keep that broken boardfrom the thrasher cover?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
I did not, but at the time I didn't know.
It was going to be a cover.
You know, and I'm overseas andI'm not going to haul around
broken skateboards.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, when you went to shoot that one, was it like
you knew that if you did it youwere going to get the cover?

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I actually don't know why I held on to it, just
because, like I would have, likemy car or whatever, and when I
have a broken board you normallyjust throw it in your car and
it just ended up being one ofthose boards that was just in
there for a while and then whenI got the cover, I was like I've
still got that board, and Ithink also, too, I was like I
landed that grind with the most,like the board was completely

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covered in mud.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
So I feel like I was like I think I'm just going to
keep this anyway yeah becauselike yeah, but you didn't know
you were going to shoot a coverno because the reason I ask that
is like that would be a prettybig motivator to throw yourself
down stuff.
If you're like, if I do this,I'm going to get a cover shot
here.
A hundred percent, yeah, butyou didn't know.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
No, I don't think it really ever really works like
that either, though, like youknow, you just I feel like you
just get there and you kind ofknow, maybe in the back back of
your head, like, oh, maybe ithas the potential to be a cover,
but I don't think anyone's evergoing to be like this is going
to be a cover.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I guess that would only really be.
It kind of might be like thatif you're a guy who has a lot of
traction at the moment and youknow you're going out with some
big photographer, that you knowwhat I mean.
You've got interviews coming upand all that, sometimes they do
shoot.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
You have a hunch, they're, they're going to shoot
the cover, but at that time, youknow, rob was unknown and all
that.
So yeah, it was sort of just.
It was a homie, cam arkin, whoshot that photo and he didn't
have any intention mark and shotthat.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's a pirate.
I did not know that.
Yeah, he's a gun.
Yeah, I love how that guy's Ilove him wow, I had no idea
that's so epic.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
How's this only yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:41):
there's only one angle of that because it was, uh
, two weeks into me getting a hdcamera the first time and I
hadn't worked out the zoom thatwell, I was off vx to that.
So, um, there's only a stillangle because the zoom angle I I
ruined it yeah, okay yeah, wecouldn't use it, but um came out
and it looks good.
I hope it's epic.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
I didn't remember that part yeah, yeah, they
didn't want to use it because itwas bad.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
I mean, I was like I don't know, just learning.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
It's all good, just hungry, got to start somewhere.
Sponsored by Nike?
Yeah, at that time.
Yeah, that was actually for.
Is it Cumberland County?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, they're like.
Sydney clip.
That was, oh, wow, okay.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, and the other cover was the gap, rail, yeah,
which is pretty sick, and youhad just won Slam Skater of the
Year.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah, wow, crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Another good feeling.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Oh, one of the best days of my life, 100% Really.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
You're regarded as one of the best days of your
life.
Yeah, that's rad.
I can see why.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
I mean getting the slam sody yeah it was definitely
an accolade that I've, you know, that's all.
I'm honored to have it.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, so that would have been a few years, two or
three years ago yeah, wow, yeahwas that, this so?
And then you got nominated forthe thrasher sody, was it the
year?

Speaker 4 (24:59):
after that was the year after.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah right because, like I'll be straight, when you
were nominated for Thrasher Sody, it was on the back of an
amazing video part you put outand me and my friends were like,
oh, that Rob Pace guy is goingto get Thrasher Sody, I
guarantee it.
We really thought you weregoing to get it.
Obviously, it's a hard thing tojust get.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah.
But I'm just saying we thoughtyou had it in the bag, bro yeah,
I was really honoured to justeven be in the line up, so
stoked to just be next dooreveryone you know other people
up there and make it almostsorted to the end.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Cheers yeah, I mean, is there something burning
inside of you like you stillfeel like you're gonna give that
kind of thing a nudge?

Speaker 4 (25:41):
I mean, I never really know.
I just want to keep themomentum going as hard as I can
and potentially, if I get backin that lineup again, maybe one
day I can grab it.
Dude sick.
See how we go so sick.
I love it man.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
But listen, I'm really excited about this
episode for a number of reasons,because we have heaps of
content to play and watch and Ijust want to hear you talk about
it because it's so epic.
But before we do that, we lookat this stuff and it's amazing.
This is more recent, but if wego back in time, let's look at
your first ever street rail, andwe've got the footage of that

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and it is Backside Smith.
What sort of memories does thatbring back for you when you
watch that?

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Man, so many I feel like, even just like the crew
that we used to like skate withjust everything, yeah just
losing my mind.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Everyone's just losing their minds.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Who's that Sorry?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
That was Riley Walker .

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, that was Riley Walker.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
That was a good time.
I mean that video part thatthat's from is, I guess rob just
skated parks before that, so wewould all or kids just got our
cars and licenses.
So, yeah, we hit the streetsfor the first time.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
It was pretty sick, yeah, that's definitely the
first like significant rail I'dlike done where I was like.
This is my first sort of properrail that I've skated were you
scared that day?
I mean, I used to do this thingwhere, like I would go and look
at it a hundred times and thenfinally do like maybe a 50 or

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something, and then as soon asyou got the flame lit, you just
it doesn't matter, like you justdo whatever you feel, like you
could just anything.
And I just remember, just likeBacksmith, right now, right now
I'm doing Backsmith.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And you're doing it.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
How many shots do you reckon?
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Don't you remember I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I do remember, though , that landing out past that
like the gutter was kind of hard, especially with the backsmith.
I was like trying to like liftup.
You can see, even when I landedit looks like a pretty well
almost like clip it.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, you do.
You can hear the tail justtouch it.
And I just cruised away likeyes, because there's a there's a
big difference between doing apark rail and a street rail and
there's this like mentalbarricade that sort of says that
a street rail is harder than apark rail.
And there's a variety offactors, but you know things
like you know, park rails have aperfect run up and a perfect
landing and things like that.
So what do you think the bigdifference is?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
uh, definitely, just like the, the crustiness of the
spot you know, you never knowwhat you're going to get.
In a street spot, everything'sdifferent.
There's nothing.
There's no two rails that arethe same.
So you know, being in thestreets is as like, as raw as it
gets, and if you can find adecent rail, then skate it and

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there's so many variables.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Right, because like what if a car came up the street
or yeah, exactly, that'sdefinitely all part of it, for
sure and do you think there'slike a part of like this isn't
actually made for skateboarding?
You know, that's something.
There's something to that.
A part of it like this isn'tactually made for skateboarding?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
You know there's something to that as well.
It's like this wasn't designedto be skated, whereas a park
rail literally is yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I feel like when you're a kid, like coming from
the, you know, transitioningfrom skate park to sort of
trying to get it in the street,that's something that's like
always in the back of your mind.
You know it.
You know it makes it a bit morescarier because you're like, oh
well, like, has anyone skatedthis before?
You always ask yourself thatquestion because you're like oh,
if people have skated it, oh,we're good to skate it.
But you know, sometimes youfind routes where people have

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never skated before.
So you're like you don't knowwhat you, what you're gonna get
it's here right get to a pointwhere everything's been skated
and you're.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
You can only skate the things that I've been.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know what I mean like yeah it's kind of where
it's at now, so everything spinshere it's tricky that that
aspect of it and I like and like.
That's a significant moment.
And then I know I'm jumpingback and forth in your life a
little bit.
But then, uh, brendan hasshared some footage of a rail
you did in America which Ialready knew about and is

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notorious for being one of thelike.
There's like there's this railyou've done.
It's in Maroubra somewhere, didyou say.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
But then this rail.
We're about to play the videofootage.
The cardio rail is notoriouslyknown as one of the hardest and
gnarliest rails.
So you've gone from this littlerail in Maroubra to what's
regarded as one of the mostchallenging ones, to what's
regarded as one of the mostchallenging ones.

(30:10):
I guess my question to you islike what's driving you aside
from sponsorship, like what'sdriving you to get over that
fear, and do you think you'vehit the ceiling for what you can
do rail-wise?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I feel like, just over the years, like the more I
skate in the streets, yourconfidence just gets you know,
your confidence becomes, youjust become really confident and
I feel like I don't know, likejust I don't know where I was
going to go.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Well, here's the footage of the cardio, and it
just looks hard in every wayLike there's a massive tree
there that you probably couldjust run in.
You're probably thinking aboutthere.
It is which you actually putyour hand on the tree, right?

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Like was that the scariest aspect of it?
Like you feel like you're goingto fall into the tree.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
The tree is like, yeah, perfectly in the bail zone
for sure, as soon as you likelocked it in and you gained all
that speed.
If you bail to the right,you're like jumping into the
tree.
So and like when you're doing aback 50, like you always sort
of want to get and lean sort ofover into the rail and then
you'll be able to like get tothe end best feeling can we just

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?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
go back to that jock.
We look at uh, that last videowith his attempts like so I know
there's a backstory here,brendan, do you want to tell it?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
That was in 2016.
A bunch of us at the time wejust made a VX video and I guess
we're all pretty hyped on likeSF skating and New York skating.
So we're like let's do a trip.
We did a sf and new york tripand in the sf part, um yeah, we,
we all sort of knew that wasthere and we're looking at spot

(31:53):
maps that we had at the timecardio rail.
Let's go, let's just look at itand rob's like I'll try it, you
know.
And um, he knew who cardio was,but he didn't know that was the
cardio rail.
Oh, you didn't know who.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
He knew who cardio, okay, but he, but he didn't know
that was the Cardio rail.
Oh, you didn't know who JoeCardio was.
No, he knew who Cardio was, oh,okay.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
But he had no idea about the story.
He was a famous rail.
Yeah, so he's trying this railand we're all, like you know, no
one's back 50.
What the hell?
Jumped on it a bunch of times,right?
And then what happened afterthat?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, I was just like I feel like I jumped on it a
bunch of times and then I kindof feel like if I knew the
significance at the time maybe Iwould have kept going, but I'm
not sure.
I think it was sort of like atthe end of nearly like the skate
day and like we're pushingaround the city and all of that,
so like we're pretty toast bythe time we get to the rail.
So next time I came back to SFI knew it was there and I sort
of knew a bit more of thebackstory of that rail.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Who took you there originally?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Well, originally we all went there, you just went
there because you heard about it.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah well.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
I feel like Riley Walker sort of knows everything
about skateboarding, so he waslike this is like we've got to
go see it, you know.
So we went back out there and Iended up, yeah, just popping on
that rail a bunch of times andthen ended up getting one to the
bottom and got through the kinktoo, because it it actually was
a cover with, is it?
Jack fardell?
jack fardell got a thrashercover on that rail oh yeah yeah

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and um, I think he touched thetree and I think he might have
popped out of the king before,like on the flat yeah and then I
went there and I also touchedthe tree so I was like this is
kind of sick.
I was like two Aussies likegrinding the rail front side and
back side and touched the tree.
I meant to touch the tree.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Australia shut that rail down.
Sorry, John Cardinal, it's oursnow.
No, it's definitely not.
I shouldn't say that, but doyou remember the day you learned
how to cross lock a 50-50?

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I feel like it just came natural.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
I feel like that's sort of how it does for most
people.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's just the way that you learn it as a kid, if
you like doing heels or you like, doing cross lock, because to
me I mean I can cross lock,maybe a knee-high round rail at
a skate park.
But it feels like those thatcan cross lock really well.
Once they've got it, you know,locked in, it's like they can do
like.
I just see them get better andbetter, and better.
I don't know, it's just anobservation.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
It's definitely like a, it's definitely just a
preference, I think.
Preference yeah because, like,there's some people out there
that grind super long rails onheels and to me it doesn't
really make sense because I'vejust never had it built in me to
land on the rail like that.
I've just never done it likethat so you're not.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
When you're laying onto a rail, you're not actually
thinking I've got to cross lockthis, you just body's
automatically going into thatposition yeah, and sometimes,
like you, would just go for a 50depending on, like, what you're
doing, and you might just landin heels but you're going toe
heel or heel toe.
I'm trying to think well, youdon't toe heel, so your front
truck is toe side back truck.

(34:57):
No, no, no, on the way around.
Yeah, front truck is heel sidethe truck is like on your heel.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
If you're locking in the other way, you've got some
major problems going on.
Why and if?
You survive.
It's like the toe side lock, inwhich happens every now and
again.
I feel like any skater knowsall about it and it's a brief
moment of like I could die doingthis.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
You really could Like .
There's a death risk involved,as far as I'm concerned, with
some of the stuff you've done.
Do you ever think of that?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Try not to think of that.
Try to stay as positive as Ican when.
I'm skating yeah.
Start thinking of that stuff.
I might end up just stayinghome, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
You don't feel like the kind of guy who's going to
stay home though Got to get outthere and get it done.
Because I am really curious byyou in terms of you know, like,
how are you overcoming fear?
Like, are you having aconversation with yourself?
Like you know, on those timeswhen you're like you've been
trying to rail a bunch of times,you've been broken off a few
times.
This film is there, thiscameraman there.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Like and you just don't feel like going throwing
yourself down this one more time, or you feel literally scared.
How are you overcoming thosemoments?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I feel like just over the years, you just, you just
like develop, you get better atmanaging it.
So you you're conscious of itdefinitely you're conscious of
fear, conscious of fear, but youdefinitely get a lot better at
managing how like you're dealingwith that fear, and I feel like
now, like when I'm skating,I've gotten myself to a point
where, at managing how likeyou're dealing with that fear,
and I feel like now, like whenI'm skating, I've gotten myself

(36:27):
to a point where if I'm likehyped enough up on the spot, I'm
, I guess, like you could say,I'm scared, but like kind of not
at the same time, try to liketrust my, my ability to be able
to do it and just, yeah, go forit, and just try not to think
about it as much as I can.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
What scares you outside of skateboarding?

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Oh man, I don't know it's a hard question, lots of
things.
I mean, I'm sure there's a lotof things.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I know what scares me , like a long manual trick.
I'm scared of Brendan seeing medo a manual trick.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
You should be Very, very fucking scared why.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Is this the right time to announce that I'm on the
team for the?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
new man, you are Welcome.
Yes thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, I'm actually like I told you.
My conditions were like I wantfirst two weeks pay in advance.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
We have no money.
Sorry, oh, I didn't put that inthe clause.
Yeah, a hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Give me a little.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Rain on it.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That looks like Ben Curry with a balaclava on.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It's Jared Agnew with a balaclava on.
You can have another one, man,thanks.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
You know what it doesn.
Another one man thanks.
You know what it doesn't looklike real money, to me, though
it is.
It is that's 100 move on.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
It's actually it's kind of more tangible than
cryptocurrency it's worth more,for sure.
Well, it's actually not.
You can cash out crypto.
What am I talking about?
Crypto for?

Speaker 3 (37:57):
so I got no idea.
It's all.
I was just seeing some newsabout it.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
The other day.
Anyway, um, yeah, man crazy, Ilove your work.
I love your fear overcoming.
I'm gonna talk more about that,but I want to go back to your
childhood.
How would you describe time athome, growing up as a kid?
Good memories great memoriesclose relationship with your,
with your parents yeah, superclose relationship with my

(38:20):
parents why?
Why do you think it was close?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
uh, I mean, I know just like my dad was always out
doing like fun activities Iguess, and he was always
involving the kids all the time.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
So what was he into?
Did he skate?

Speaker 4 (38:35):
he never skated I don't know, I don't think I've
ever even seen him stand on askateboard.
That's crazy.
Interesting.
Yeah, every time I try to gethim to do it he's like no way,
no way.
But he used to be um anaustralian champion for, uh, jet
ski racing.
Interesting, yeah, so prettyrandomly he's got the mentality
of just like hell man yeah, andso was my mom.

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She was like the women'schampion of jet ski racing.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, that's so random.
Yeah, so where do they?
What do they race like?
Where do they race like justaround a course?
Well, they used to do like youdone it, oh no, but where do
they do it like?
Where, like on a river, is itaround a course?

Speaker 4 (39:14):
yeah, they have like, um, they like he used to do
like all enduro things they'dput like boys out into the um
buoys.
Yeah for your americanlisteners yeah, buoys out into
this like the um, the ocean, andthen you, they're like sort of,
that's like the track, I guessno shit.
Yeah, they do like big endurotracks too, so like some of them

(39:35):
could be.
Like you know, you're racingout in the ocean from the
central coast to sydney.
Oh shit, yeah, so so prettyinsane.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, no way.
So he's got the hell manmentality.
Did he surf as well?
Everyone in Central Coast.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
He has, like, no board sports skills or like I
don't think I've ever seen himthrow a football.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I feel like he could be a windsurfer.
You know, windsurfers are awhole different breed of human.
He's not a windsurfer, nowindsurfer.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
You give him like a four-wheel drive, a motorbike,
anything like motorsports.
There you go, motorsports he'spretty good at.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
So Kieran Woolley's dad, Mark Woolley, he was an old
motocross motorbike legend,yeah right.
And then Kieran rips.
And then your dad's one ofthose guys and you rip.
Now I want my son to rip, so Ineed to get into motorsport.
Anyway, cool man, that's rad.
So when you turn pro, let's getthat up.
Be honest, there he is.

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What's his name?

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Livio.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Livio yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Rad.
Honest, there he is.
What's his, what's his name?
Livio, livio, yeah, brad yeah,did he cry?

Speaker 3 (40:43):
he didn't cry, but he was very stoked, super stoked.
Yeah, your dad cry at all?
I don't know he's a hard man, Idon't think he does so really
he's a hard man.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Does he like brendan?

Speaker 3 (40:52):
probably not, I don't know I've only ever had
friendly altercations with him.
I I'm sure he does.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
He likes everyone he's super easy going, dude,
he's a good man.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
With a name like Livio.
Do you mind if I ask, is therea background there?
Yeah, he's Italian.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Family's Italian.
Yeah, born and raised no Bornin Australia, but yeah, he's
always over there.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
So your grandparents are Italian?
Yeah, but yeah, he's alwaysover there.
So your grandparents areItalian?
Yeah, are Italian Cool.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Italian.
Yeah, which part do you know?
Sicily, Right.
Yeah, dude, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Right, nice, you been over.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I've never been over Wild.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I know.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
I say I talk about that all the time because we
still have like family there.
Okay, yeah, so I talk to themevery now and then.
Well, I've talked to them maybetwice like on, like FaceTime.
Okay, is that it?
That's it.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Fair enough.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
But it's, like you know, my grandparent, like my
grandmother's, like super closewith them, so they're always
staying pretty connected.
So every time I'm like I got toget there and just like meet
them and see like their farm.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
They got like a whole bunch of stuff over there.
So it's pretty cool, yeah, Iguess, when you're living your
life too, you're living yourlife, you're doing your thing,
they're doing their thing.
It's pretty tricky, I guess.
Tell us about the day youturned pro for santa cruz pretty
wild one.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Um, did they do a pro party?
No, it was a bit different, Iguess, are we?
Um, I was staying in oceansideand I was just skating with some
friends out there and I wasgoing on a trip and I had to get
out to, uh, santa cruz to getin the van to go on the trip or
whatever.
So I woke up, I was actuallymeant to be meeting eric

(42:33):
winkowski.
He was supposed to be pickingme up to drive me, but then he
ended up getting sick.
So I ended up, like last minute, like the night before they got
me a flight, I uh ended upgoing into LAX, flying there and
then, um yeah, like went intoNHS and boom, got the surprise.

(42:55):
Pretty insane and what elsehappened then, oh, nick, the guy
that the, the guy that I wasstaying with at the time.
He had woken up at like somecrazy hour, like three in the
morning or something, telling mehe had like an early day of
work.
But he ended up driving fromoceanside to san s, to Santa

(43:19):
Cruz and picked up like two ofmy homies on the way.
Didn't surprise me like beforeI got there on the plane.
It's crazy, so it's pretty sickthat's exciting, man.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, congratulations , and like.
Since then, how many likemodels have they brought out?
How many different graphicshave you guys had?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
I think there's something like close to five
different graphics, maybe fouror five different graphics, but
then like different colorways ofthe graphics.
So there's a few.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
How much of a say were you having into the actual
graphics?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Quite a like, pretty much all the same really.
Like you get to pick, likeartists, which is cool, and then
you get to like, um, you know,design certain aspects of what
the graphic's going to be, andthen you know the artist will
come back with, like you tryingto bring your idea to life and
yeah, it just sort of goes fromthere.
It's pretty cool, so sick yeahoh man, it's good,

(44:12):
congratulations.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You know, and you know, like I said, I was talking
to my friend, ty coaling, uh,the other night and uh, him and
jim turvey, who's a friend ofmine, who's also an article
writer for slam, and we recordeda like a 2024 year in review of
the podcast, and we're justsort of talking about you in
terms of, like, this awesomecombination of like some some

(44:35):
ability, natural ability,coupled with strong work ethic.
And I was telling him the storyabout how, when we recorded the
, the lost podcast that, you gotup, you know, 6 am from the
central coast and then, you know, headed into king's cross for
the morning, fixed the spot, gota trick, came to the podcast,
then drive back to central coast, like it's quite admirable and,

(44:57):
I think, very well deserved.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
So cheers to you.
I appreciate it, thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Nice, let's get up your curved rail, which was from
the Thrasher video.
Fuck them.
Is that right, this rail?
We had some debate the othernight about the length of this
rail.
We reckon it.
I said it's about 50 meters.
Everyone's like no, it's about50 meters.
Everyone's like no, it's not 50meters.
Did you measure it while you?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
were there.
I didn't measure it, but it'sfor sure close to like 40 meters
.
40 meters, it's got to besomewhere around there, for sure
, when you've got the curve.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Here it is.
Look at that mate locked in.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So why did you?

Speaker 4 (45:43):
choose a smith on that rail and not a crosslock 50
, 50 um.
At the time when I was like,for what I was filming for I
really wanted like a maxed outsmith grind.
That was sort of like asomething I was looking for and
getting to that rail I thought,well, here it is I mean, if I
can do Smith on this, this isgoing to be probably one of the
biggest Smith grinds I'llprobably ever do.
So, I actually ended up doingthe 50 on it and then ran back

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up there and was like all right.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
So you did the 50, and then how many shots did it
take you to get the 50-50?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I did the 50 probably .
Oh, pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I did it like within like 10 minutes so you got a
feel for the length and thespeed.
Yeah, and then how long did thesmith grind take?

Speaker 4 (46:25):
the smith grind took like a fair.
While I was battling with um,like when I was going around the
curve and all the speed mywheels kept hitting the the legs
and it was like bouncing myboard around yeah so that was
definitely part of that battle,which was quite frustrating, but
it ended up.
I ended up getting it.
But you can hear like my boardlike bouncing off the legs, on

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those on those upright legs yeahI'm just going to put this out
there too.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I mean, is it one of the longest smith grinds ever
done on a right on a rail?
Can you think of any other onesthat are longer?

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
No, I wouldn't give him that, you know.
Don't give me that time, thenhe won't go and try and find a
better one, and there's no funin it for me.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Is this like the motivation that Brendan brings
to you Every?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
time.
Yeah, that's all right, it'sgood, just keep putting him down
.
So then he tries harder.
I'm going to do better, youknow, really yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
So when he's like getting broken off on a rail and
you're filming it like yeah,he's not sitting there going.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
You got this.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
He's like Dude, I could, I'm like dude, I could
probably do this.
You know shit like what I wishI could do.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
I mean, he's a goofy skater and I enjoyed rail
skating growing up, so it's likepushing what I wish.
He's always talking on thestation, that is for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Skating's really easy , man get up I'm gonna ask you,
brendan, like what about thosedays when rob's trying something
over and over and you're tryingto film it?
He's not getting close?
Does frustration set in withyou?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
uh, not exactly.
I mean, when I was younger Iwas young and super didn't care.
You know I had all the time inthe world.
But he's he's.
He's growing up with me.
We've gotten older and he kindof approaches it differently,
more maturely now.
If he's trying something fortoo long, he knows it's probably
not going to happen.
You know it's like if he'sgetting broke off, do it another

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day.
You know what mean.
So I don't really get thatanymore.
I never really did, to be honestyeah because we sort of
Patience We've got to progresstogether.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
In that sort of sense , yeah, yeah, I know like
sometimes when I've filmedfriends do things and if they've
battled it and I've stayed withthem and committed to it with
them and I actually feel likeI'm in it with them when they
land it, I get a real sense ofthe same satisfaction.
Oh, for sure you get that aswell.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, it's like half the motivation to keep doing it.
Yeah, you get stoked on it.
Yeah, I guess sort of where Imight get over it is if it's
someone I don't even know andthen I'm stuck there filming it.
You know what I mean it's likeyeah, I'm gonna help my mate out
you know, yeah, don't have timefor that at the moment.
Yeah, because after this.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I was just gonna ask you, would you do you mind
coming to glee with me.
I just want to try and switchmanual.
The um, the I've got to go,I've got to go, dude they
actually they actually um, theyknob the spot dude.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
There's blind bumps and it's all been capped.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, yeah, at the skate park.
Yeah, unfortunately He'll runthat.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
That's a.
That's a true story.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
If I want to go to a spot and he hates the spot.
There's been times when he'slike you can't it got knobbed.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
There's like yeah, why not?
There's no way.
I don't know being there toomany times, you'll just tell it.
I'll just tell him it's notthere anymore or something.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You believe him.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Well, I don't know where anything is.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
If he doesn't give you the location then we're just
not going.
It works in my favor.
He lives up there.
I know where it all is.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
But serious question you know when you're filming a
part, you know you don't want itto be all rails, right, I do
yeah.
You do.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
If it was up to me, you want some diversity in your
part.
If it was up to me, I wouldonly do 50-50 grinds.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
If it was up to me, I would only film 50-50 grinds.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Really.
You're not backsmiths.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
No, we do, we do.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Obviously you do want to have some diversity, you
want to line it, you want someledge tricks in there, come on.
But my serious question is likewhat happens when Rob actually
wants to film a manual trick,like, do you just go get someone
else to?

Speaker 4 (50:25):
do it, I'm just not sure if I'd put him through that
.
I wouldn't want to do it.
That's a good mate right there.
You wouldn't do it.
You wouldn't, my guy.
What if santa cruz said you'reoff the team and they should get
some manual stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I don't think anyone wants to see me do manuals.
Nobody wants to see manualsfull stop realistically or or
film them.
Be real.
There's no fucking punishment.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
There's no filmer in the world that enjoys filming
manuals.
But you can definitely bestoked on the tricks for your
friends, but man yeah what if Ipromised you I could get it in
three to a hundred shots?

Speaker 3 (50:59):
uh, no, no chance, I'm good, a hundred tries unless
you're paying me, which isn'tgonna happen because you know
filmers barely get paid.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I have heard a story.
Down in willingong my friendsam giles was filming with
someone yeah and filming a veryhard manual trick, and then, uh,
hard manual trick, and then, uh, it got the trick, but homie
forgot to press play true storywow yeah, like the last podcast
we did here jock, you can takethat one the typical ones.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
The reverse film do you want to do?
When you like, start pressingthe button, but you're doing it
the opposite way around yeah,well, you do that, already had
it on record.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, and you're recording all this like shit and
then you go to hit record butthen you're turning it off yeah,
the reverse record do you everfilm?
Do you ever film your mateslike, or you're just like?

Speaker 4 (51:48):
yeah, I mean I get the phone out and do the whole
instagram thing, yeah that foryou mates, yeah, 100 okay, it's
all the same mentality too, likesometimes you get stuck filming
an Instagram thing for an hour.
Yeah, you know, but whatever,that's just skating, you just
get soaked.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, and this is a theme that's come up a lot over
the years, especially talking toskateboarders, and I'm serious
now in terms of the resiliencethat it builds and the mentality
of just like never giving upand fall down, get back up again
, fall down, get back up again,fall down, get back up again.
It translates into every aspectof life.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Yeah, skating is very challenging Physically, so
definitely that will ingrain inyou when you stay with skating.
That is the mentality it's justso hard, skating is so hard.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
And mentally, you just said it, and the mentality,
I think mentally probablyharder than physically.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
For sure, for sure, and the mental like meant, I
think, mentally, probably harderthan physically.
What do you?
What do you reckon for sure,for sure, like there's?
It's when you first pick up askateboard for the first time
and you can barely push on it,you can't turn on it, and then
you see people do all thesetricks and you there's no way
you can do any of those tricks.
It's going to take you yearsand years before you can do like
a.
You know all the, all thebasics, at least on a skateboard
.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It's so challenging yeah, man, it's dedication for
little to no money for mostpeople.
Yeah, it's pure passion, yeah.
And then and then everyone elseinvolved in it, and the friends
encouraging and hanging, andthe filmers and the
photographers yeah, it's purepassion, and I think that's what
me personally just keeps mecoming back all these years

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later.
It's got to be, it's got to,and I think that's what me
personally just keeps me comingback all these years later.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
It's got to be.
It's got to be for passion.
If you're filming skatingtrying to make money, you're an
idiot.
You can't make any.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Has there been moments, though, when you've
made money as a filmer?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I mean, yeah, but not much, to be honest, like not
enough to really be like I mademoney.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
If it happens, it's like a nice little bonus.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
It's just a bit of side money, yeah and it's nice
and I'm grateful that I can fillmy mate and do that.
You know which is awesome?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, it's just a great way to live too.
How inspiring dude.
I love it.
Anyway, let's get the next clipup because, like I said, this
one was the triple gap.
Rail Again blew a lot of minds.
This, rob A lot of minds.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah, sick one.
I'm stoked on that one.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I still get stoked on it.
I mean, when that came out, howmuch love did you get from the
community?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
It was a lot.
Yeah, people were really stokedon it, which is you know, when
that came out, how much love didyou get from the community?
It was a lot.
Yeah, People were really stokedon it, which is, you know it's
good, yeah, yeah, and that was.
I was really hyped that daywhen we landed that.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
That was another, like one of those moments where
I was like this could be one ofthe best days of my life and Was
it up there.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Oh, 100%.
Do you regard it as the bestride you've ever done?
Um kind of yeah, yeah?
For me, like it's just thewhole story of just you know,
getting the boot from the spot awhole bunch of times and just
like conquering it.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Finally, in the end, it's just all built like, all
built towards you know thecelebration at the end so I know
thrasher did a my war on it andit really does tell the story
of that trick.
But do you want, do you mind,just going over it with us, a
little bit like who was bootingyou out?
I know there was a quite astrict timeline and deadline to

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get it done so where was it,where were you?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
so we're in new york and we're only there for like a
couple days and we were therespecifically really to try and
get that rail, like to get itdone.
So we ended up going out therefor one of the first times,
found it, checked it out, we'relike, man, this thing is a go,
like we're ready to do it, thisis perfect, like it can be done.
And I just started skating itand it was sort of at the end of

(55:34):
the day and then ended up justleaving because I was all tired
and whatever.
So we came back the next dayand then, yeah, some lady across
, like at the swimming poolsthere was just losing her mind.
Like there was no reasoningwith her at all, like absolutely
losing her mind.
We like pretty much tried toplay every card possible and she

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was just not having it at all.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So was it right out the front of the swimming pool.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
It was like a good 200 meters away, except it was
like on this huge long likewalkway that was leading
directly to the swimming pool,so you could clearly see us
there.
But yeah, she just was sopassionate about being a
security guard that day, Ibelieve, like power tripping.

(56:22):
It seemed a little bit likethat.
It's like she was just reallyfollowing the rules.
I guess there's just noskateboarding here.
There's no skateboarding.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
What's your approach to security guards and people
kicking you out of spots?
Like you're just nice to them,play it cool, or do you ever get
like?

Speaker 4 (56:40):
I just sort of play it by the way that they're doing
.
If they come up more nice to usand I understand it's their job
, you know, whatever we'll,leave if they come over and
they're like saying unreasonablestuff, then I'll probably say a
few unreasonable things too.
Fair enough, but yeah, you know, we're just trying to have some
fun and whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And you have bribed security guys with product.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Yeah, I mean some give them a couple.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
You heard it here first.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
No manual stickers, dude, you give them no manual
stickers.
Yeah, it's a history sticker,Do you just?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
like slip them a little hungy and just yeah, yeah
, what do they say?
They say they say sorry, sorry,sir there.
So, brendan, you won't put thatbalaclava on.
Is that your balaclava in thephoto?

Speaker 3 (57:27):
no, that's Jared's.
There's been.
We made like I didn't make.
They made like 10 of them, theentities of no males, and I'm
sending them to people.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
So that's Jared the board of no Manuals and I sent
them to people.
So that's Jared.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
The board of directors got them made.
Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
CEO the you know CFO, Whatever.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, you know you work in corporate, don't you?
You know all the titles.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, we're corporate here.
Yeah, we are.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
No Manuals is also corporate.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
We should do a merger .
I don't know what we'll do, butyeah, we'll do something.
I think we should start acoaching.
You know how skate coaching ison trend right now, is it?
We can just coach kids how tonot manual.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
How to not suck, yeah , how to not waste your time.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Progression in skating is going to be insane.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I just love how Rob's on board with it.
For sure it's his idea.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
I'll just 50-50.
They're just all going to bedoing cross-lock 50s.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You could literally put on like a clinic on
cross-locking, couldn't you?
You don't even know you'redoing it, you're just doing it.
That's what's so funny.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Imagine how many good skate videos would come out
with just no bullshit.
You know, rails, rails, rails.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I don't know.
I like diversity.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I do too.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Have you seen?
Yeah, like you do, likediversity, yeah, yeah yeah, just
no mates.
Speaking of diversity, I wantto talk a little bit about.
This is kind of timely.
Like Thrasher Soti, everyone'sputting out their best parts at
the moment their best videoparts any predictions.
Based on what you've seen sofar, I'm going for jamie foy.
I think everyone's going forjamie foy.
What do you think, brendan?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
yeah, yeah, dude, I barely watch skating these days
so I couldn't tell you, butprobably I watched that new
man's video, and probably jamiefoy, and then, for australia,
probably rome, yeah, obviouslyyeah, oh, for sure.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
But did you watch jam Foy's part and just think like
I want to do some of those rails?
Oh where are?
Those.
Where is that rail?

Speaker 4 (59:24):
yeah, a lot of that going on oh it's just yeah so
stoked to see all those rails tosort of get done, because it's
just like feel like he's sort ofdoing the same shit that I want
to do.
That's what I thought when Iwatched it, yeah just traveling
the world trying to find themost unique rails that make no
sense and sometimes you justthink, like coming from like a

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person that's always you knowbuilding stuff.
Sometimes I like look at theserails and I'm like, why?
Why did they build it like this?
And like the person that builtit.
This must have been so hard tobuild it this way.
Just things that make no sensehave all these drops in them and
these turns down like a basicset of stairs.
I'm like, who designed this?
they might have subliminallywere like rob could 50, 50

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backsmith this I feel like ineurope, though, with all the old
architecture, you find a wholebunch of that stuff, so it's
really cool I'm gonna make aprediction, because obviously
jamie foy's part is phenomenal,it's exceptional, it's on
another level, but it is quite,you know, handrail heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
But then did you see deeds's part that came out I
don't think I've watched the newone.
Yeah, his latest one he's putout, obviously, a part yeah, be
in SOTY contention and it's soraw and it's not rails and stuff
, but it's very.
You know, he skates a lot ofunique stuff and a lot of his
tricks are done like landing onlike gnarly, like cobblestones,

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so he's skating like big softwheels so he can roll away and
stuff like that.
And I'm just going to say it onrecord that, yeah, jamie Foy is
probably the obvious pick.
But I just feel like you knowthat thing that happened to
Nigel a few years ago when Nigelput out this amazing part and
then Tyshawn won it and it wasjust Tyshawn was amazing as well

(01:01:08):
, but completely different styleof skating.
He wasn't really doing bighandrails and gaps and stuff
I've kind of like.
This year I feel like I justpersonally feel like Deeds could
just take it out because of theuniqueness of his part.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I mean that could be really cool.
He's definitely good at skatingthose crusty weird spots, and
his video parts he normallybrings out are just insane.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
They're so good, aren't they?

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I very enjoy every second I saw that part it was
good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
You've seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I reckon he probably has a good chance.
He's very on brand for howskating is at the moment.
I guess he's probably the fanfor every chance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Honestly, we need to put an offer in for him.
Get him on the no Manuals team.
No chance.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Oh, I know we need him on the no Manuals team, do
we?
And John Dillo too?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
stuff.
Yeah, yeah, does john know he'son.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Yeah, he asked and I put him on because it's funny
that he does manuals.
He really asked.
I think he might be joking noshit yeah I'm on, I'm on, I'm
definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
We'll talk after this like I haven't shown you any of
my skating exactly if youscroll through my instagram I
don't use a few things on therelike I'll download it again.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
He's actually probably my favorite uh manual
skater though who john dealer?
Yeah, because he does.
He does it like on a level thatno one else is doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I can't tell if he's taking the pizza for sure I mean
, we'll talk after this as well,mate, all right 100.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
He does it on like a level that's like so different
to everyone else does he?
Oh, he's like.
Either he's either flying downa 10-stair rail or a 10-stair
nose manual or whatever.
Like flying down a 10-stair ordoing something crazy.
Condolences to his filmers buthe is good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Maybe he's just got filmers that are actually
dedicated and committed to whatthey do, or maybe he just does
his stuff quickly, unlike mostpeople who try to film manual
tricks no, seriously like, canyou like, could you do like a
kickflip manual on like a littlecurb high, I think, as far as
my manual skating goes, it goeslike you know manual nose manual
, kickflip nose manual, kickflipmanual and then that's okay,

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that's.
Would you ever play me in agame of manual skate?

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
yeah, I'll version.
I'm saying do you film it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
what a fucking chance I'm busy that day, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I've got a podcast I'm gonna start up a youtube
channel called manual warshasn't that been done by that
big dude?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
oh did he I was, uh, no, it wasn't.
That was more like he used tojust review manuals and you know
what?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
200 bucks?
He's the first hundred inadvance.
I'll give you the other hundredif you win dude, he's got
stacks of those.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I'm ready.
I'm ready for this 100 okay,what's your switch game?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
like just asking for a mate don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Okay, I haven't really tried too many switch
manuals before.
What about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
switch 50, 50s on rails.
Like I'm serious now, like whatis your switch game like in
terms of that kind of stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
um it's not amazing, definitely not amazing, but I
can do like switch 50s and boardslides like the basics do you
think that's in terms of yourprogression?

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
like where do you see your progression going though?

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
because in some ways I mean you've, you've gone next
level on so much stuff likewhere to honestly, like I, all
the enjoyment out of skatingthat I get is just finding
unique, random rails and justgrinding them.
So for me I don't really knowwhere the progression goes
further, but maybe just trying,like know, doing different

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tricks on those rails and tryingto be a bit more creative, and
I've been trying to like sort ofbring snowboard mentality into
skating, with all the trends,like you know, transitioning
from rail to rail or justsomething like that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Interesting bro.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
I've always loved watching like snowboarding
videos and seeing like some ofthe shit that they do.
Is you just like man?
Imagine being able to do thaton skateboard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
That would be see.
That's a unique perspective.
I've never heard that it's beentalking about the street
snowboarding dudes, where theywhere they fix up spots with a
little kicker and yeah, and then, like they'll hit like kink
rails.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
That'll be like a 20ink rail, two of them going
down and they'll do like a bunchof kinks and then like go over
to the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Start doing that and then all either come back and go
back onto the other one.
You know, yeah, they're alwaysdoing the transitions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, which I love, and it's funny.
People put shit on them becausethey're strapped in, but no
one's laughing when they have totry and bail on something like
that and they're strapped in.
It's like a whole other slamright.
There's nowhere to go.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I do a bit of snowboarding in the winter
seasons and I feel like if youtry something and you're like
locked in and something goeswrong, it's just body on the
floor.
Basically you get so smoked,yeah, you can't just run out of
it.
You can't do the thing whereyou play around and like kick
your board out and be like, oh,it's full commitment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah, yeah, your scorpion is like this.
It's just prone to scorpion.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You know the old scorpion on a snowboard.
Yeah, shit's nasty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
The worst one's the taco.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
The taco when you go to the rail and you ended up in
the middle of like your stomachand you just like taco the whole
rail.
Oh yeah, it's a classic one,have you like?
Have you been sacked?
I mean, how many times have youbeen sacked on a rail?
Could you count countless times?

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
so many times.
Yeah, I normally like make abit of a joke about it, like all
the time every time I get to arail back oh, just get the one
sack out of the way and we'regood to go.
You know, just like.
Whatever it's, it happens allthe time yeah, I know, do you?
are you at the point where youlike you know when a sacking's
about to happen, like yeah, youget jolly like okay, yeah, fuck
yeah, you get dunk, you get goodat like the bail almost where,

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like you know, it's about tohappen.
But those brief milliseconds ofyour reaction is everything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Is it just hands between the legs?
Yeah, trying to get to the side, so just like center.
Just avoid testicles at allcosts.
Exactly, yeah, it's normallythe inner thigh, that's hurting
after those.
But yeah, you get away with it,I guess, when you're doing
manuals, though, you don't haveto worry about that, and that's
why my career is sustained solong yeah because I just do

(01:07:19):
manuals yeah no career, you're apodcaster I hate that anyway.
Yeah, I guess I gotta own it.
Damn it now.
Listen, man, I want to go and,um, let's have a look at the.
Well, firstly that.
Firstly that stuff we justplayed, like the big curved

(01:07:39):
Smith grind and the triple gap50-50, that was all in your
video part for Santa Cruz, fuckthem.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Is that the most proud you've been of a video
part?
Yeah, for sure Is that yourpinnacle of your video part so
far.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
I think so, yeah for sure, cool yeah, congratulations
.
Yeah, I got some really goodopportunities whilst filming
that, and one of those wasbasically brands taking me to
all sorts of places where Iwanted to go skate and got to
film and put it all into onevideo, so that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Dude, it's rad man, Rad part.
Go and check it out if you can.
If you're listening to this orwatching this, it's a good video
part and there was a big afterparty for the video part.
Do you remember that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Yeah, oh, what's this ?
What's going on here?
Yeah, the premiere.
Yes, I got the arm cast on.
I got the monitor there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
So you got an arm cast on.
So what happened?
Half cab crook on this tinylittle box at a skate park took
me out.
Stop it, because I've just beenlike doing them, relearning
them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah, I did the typical miss the truck, slip out
, put the arm down.
Yeah, and the thing that suckedabout it the skate park.
Every now and again, the citycouncil will go there and they
will put any graffiti likesealant on all the concrete,
thinking that this is a good wayof stopping graffiti, where we
all know the graffiti is justgoing to come back the next week

(01:09:04):
.
It's just going to makecleaning it easier, yeah, but
the problem that it creates isthe skate park becomes extremely
slippery.
So, yeah, half cab crookslipped out.
My foot didn't even grab likeon the concrete, it just slipped
, because it's just like this soyou've gone to go to to your
nose like crooked grind andyou've gone that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, just hand out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Yeah, just snap your arm no, it just made a weird
little feeling and it was it.
It was hurting, for sure, and Icouldn't straighten my arm but,
I was not concerned at all.
I was like, oh, this would begood, like I've just done
something weird, like a coupleof days I'll bounce back Next
day.
I woke up and I was like, oh,this is like pretty weird
feeling.
I should probably go get itjust checked or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Didn't need an operation or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Yeah, it's my first operation.
You did have to get anoperation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah, two screws in the end of my elbow, like broke
off the end of like, basicallymy elbow don't you reckon it's
just ironic, like all the crazyshit you do and like that's the
thing that got you in thehospital bed?

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
I think that's just how it works.
It's always the one where youdon't you least expect it, yeah
it's gonna take you down yeah,yeah, kind of like girlfriends
yeah, 100 percent.
No, the half cap acrylic.
So I actually don't think I'vegone back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I'm just like I'm trying to say anything to get a
reaction out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I don't want you to cry today, shan you're
gonna cry no, I don't want youto man, oh, listen I've already
cried twice this week.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I cried tears of joy actually this week.
True story how come?
Because I thought I had cancer.
True story uh, had reallygnarly skin cancer and it went
deep and I had to have a surgeryto get it cut out and they had
to send the skin to pathology tofind out if it had spread to my
lymph nodes.
And then I found out that itdidn't, and so I'm okay.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Fuck yeah, I'm hyped for you.
Hell yeah, it's been very weird.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Fuck yeah, I'm hyped for you.
Oh yeah, it's been very weirdLike that, coupled with the lost
episode.
You know, I just had a reallyweird couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Were you dealing with this when we had the last
podcast too?
Yeah, wow, yeah it's the lastpodcast.
You were in the unknown yeah, Iwas about to go to surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
We did the podcast on a Saturday.
I went to surgery on a Tuesday,so that was in the back of my
mind.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
It was just a really strange time.
Well, I'm stoked.
You're all good man.
Thank you yeah thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
So get a bit serious.
I am looking for sympathyanywhere I can get it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
As usual.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
What are you laughing at, Jock you keep getting me
man.
Jock you know, what are youlaughing at?
You're shooting him at me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
I'm shooting him at you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
This guy like you know, had cancer, and then Jock
loses the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Oh no.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm very happy that hedidn't, he didn't lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I don't want to sorry , I'm not throwing him under.
He did that on purpose.
It wasn't his fault.
It wasn't his fault.
It was no one's fault.
I made a lot of money trying tofind it, did you?
Yeah, see, this is why I likeit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
No, you owe him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
He cares, we cared yeah good mate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Thanks Jock.
Fuck yeah, jock.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Anyway, so the big party afterwards.
Broken arm still got on thebeers.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Yeah, yeah, that was a good time, good time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Good little turnout and Monster Energy team was just
randomly in town.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Party time man, these dogs chasing flies or something
under the table.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Stop farting, he's all right.
How do you know?
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Yeah, it's good times on the van, so that was in.
What did you say Oceanside?

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
That that's in Sydney .
Oh, that's in Sydney.
Okay, yeah, that was the Sydneypremiere for the-.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Young Henry, young Henry, oh, did Young Henry
sponsor it?
Yeah, it was in Young henry'soh nice oscar was oscar mcmahon
there no, none of them were.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
None of them were really there because they had
another event that they weredoing and they kind of just yeah
, let us sort of do it all,which was really cool well, tell
us about your affiliation witha brand like young henry's um
you're an ambassador?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just supportthe brand, they support me and
go.
We went on a couple of liketrips around and they're always

(01:13:15):
like sort of doing things withVolcom as well, so, and just the
whole crew, like they're alljust really cool people, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
How did you get on Volcom?

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
After actually not after just before they like
announced the Australian SOTYthing.
I guess, like Shane Azar wantedto put me on, so he put me on
and then the SOTY thing came outand I won the Australian SOTY
and then yeah, just all sort ofwent from there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Shane knew it too.
Like the week before, when weall knew he was going to get it,
shane was like hey, brandon man, can you send me some footage
that we're going to put him on?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Oh four when we all knew he was going to get it.
She was like, hey, brandon man,can you send me some footage?

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
so we're going to put him on oh, yeah, yeah, and so
and you kept it secret, ofcourse we got.
So you knew, yeah, me and meand riley sort of planned that
whole day.
We went skating that morning.
You know spots around the areawhere they're going to surprise
him, and then we taking him to,I was like I got this spot that
he didn't know it's down here,what are we?
It was raining, yeah, walkingfor like 45 minutes.
He's like dude, where the fuckare we going?
And then everyone's there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
You know you get the classic crazy actually on that
day I was um, I was told thatwe're shooting photos for vulcan
, so we went to all these spotsand, like I, did a bunch of
stuff that day and then right atthe end of the day, that's when
the whole surprise happened.
You got like four tricks thatmorning because he was hyped and
, like I, did a bunch of stuffthat day and then right at the
end of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
That's when the whole surprise happened.
You got like four tricks thatmorning because he was hyped on
shooting the Vulcan and thenlittle did he know that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
What a rad day.
That was good.
Jeff's a few beers afterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Oh yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Good night.
I even had a couple.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
He doesn't drink and he had a couple you don't drink
either.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I don't drink either.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I don't drink either.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Oh, hell yeah Right, we can be friends Well we can
talk about that.
Yeah, after the podcast, I'vegot to have I've got to discuss
my fucking contract for now man,I've got some words to have
with you.
The first thing I've got billsto pay.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
I've got kids.
The first time I actually seenhim drink was out of the trophy
of the S.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
So that's pretty sweet, see, that's, that's
special right there the homie.
Yeah, you guys are rad man.
It's such a good dynamic.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Well, he won an award as well.
I ended up, did you?
After that?
Yeah, I went and bought him anaward.
That was us Filmer of the year.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I wish I'd sent you a photo I had a photo of that one
.
It was a A image, it was a mojo, yours was like this tall and
it had a goat on top of it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yeah, I reckon there should be like a fokey yeah.
Because like well, we weretalking about earlier when we
were getting set up and Jock wassaying how you know, like you
see those Red Bull, likecameramen, jumping out of planes
with those skydivers?
We don't see them.
Someone's filming it.
That's right yeah.
And then like same, with you,like you know, down bending down

(01:15:54):
on one knee, pointing a cameramy back's fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Is it really?
Yeah, yeah, no shit, yeah youthink from filming?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
yeah, that and just being a lazy person, yeah and,
like we've got an image up there, I just think it's such a great
photo, obviously, that allyou're doing over that rail is
gnarly, but it just sort of gotbrendan in the wild there as
well, like a sort of a rareperspective.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
So yeah, yeah, sometimes, uh, filming a line
with me can be super punishingfor him, because he's just like
down fish eye angle for hoursthat's why I make him just do
singles, just skate a rail orsomething, or you know, so it's
just easy I can just sit on myass and because when you're
filming a line, like you know,you're definitely trying to get
the low angle with the fish oh,for sure you're in that half.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
It's like this weird half bent over, so your legs are
half bent, your back's halfbent.
It just gets really tired yeah,for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I think the what, what's wrecked over time is my
lower back and the, the leg thatholds all your weight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, yeah, fight.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah, Like the knee right around the knee joint is
fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
And then I guess too, like the pressure of like.
If you then miss it or youdon't film it, great, you're the
worst person on earthautomatically.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, usually the worst person ever.
He doesn't speak to me for afew weeks and just films with
someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Have you guys ever gone through periods like that
where you're sort of like nottalking?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
No, I've never through periods like that where
you're sort of like not talking,never done that because I'm not
.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
He's not employing me to film him.
You know it's like it's not abusiness transaction.
You're in a safe space here,come on.
Uh, yeah, he definitely.
There has been times where hehas mucked something up and I've
been a bit bummed.
But I mean sometimes you justthat's just, that's just
scanning, like whatever you getbetter at that shit too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Like in the beginning I'd fuck something up and I'd
be I'd be too scared to tell him, or not just with him with
other skaters.
But then you know, as youmature a bit, you just be
upfront about it.
Yeah, Maybe I don't know whatit is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Yeah, Our rule is like, because our rule basically
is if you fuck up the footage,tell me right, then and there,
because I'm doing it again.
You know what I mean.
But if we leave the spot andI've going to come back to the
spot do the trick again, I'm waymore bummed because I'm like
now I'm going to get all hypedup to do this thing again yeah,
okay, because that does happensometimes people like and I

(01:17:57):
understand we're probably maybetoo scared or nervous to mention
it yeah, I've done that termbefore in the sense of.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
We've had to go back like that rain, 50, 50.
I showed you before they endedup using the still angle, yeah,
but the week following that Ihad to call him and be like dude
.
We got to go do it again andyou know it was.
He's like fucking hey, you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
And so he's like dude , what you know, you just didn't
have, you just prefer the upfront like yeah, yeah yeah
because we all make mistakes,rob, you know we do exactly
anyway, let's go.
The next one.
Um we, I want to talk about the, um, the no manuals.
Let's talk about no manual,seriously, like how it?
Came about, but you did acollab with mob grip.

(01:18:41):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
uh, yeah, that's.
Uh, uh, rob rob's on mob, yeahand um, they had, so they have
like a, I guess, like amarketing budget for all that
for each rider you know what Imean okay, and they had rob's
one and I guess they with otherskaters on mob.
They have crews and you'veprobably seen other crews do.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Rob would probably be able to mention some it's us
and like colin's one, there's abunch of them kind of like our
shops do grip same sort of thingyeah, they're like hey, like do
rob's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Rob's like can I do grip?
Same sort of thing.
So they're like hey, like Rob'slike can I do grip?
They're like sure.
Then Rob's like, let's do grip.
So yeah, they hooked us up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
But genuinely like I'm being seriously like.
So look, I know it's a funlittle thing you do, but is it
fun, I don't know, but like whatactually got you started with
it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
It was years ago, you know what happened, the inside
joke, sort of thing.
We've already spoken about thisextensively like it's a punish
to film a manual trick as a film.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
You know it's so yeah , they take.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
You know it started from that, and it was like rob
would want to do one and I was.
I didn't want to.
And that same thing withtelling him a fuck up.
A trick like I'm too scared totell him, I'll just film it
anyway and put up with it.
But over time I'm like dude, noone wants to see you do a
fucking manual you know, what Imean.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Yeah, yeah, he started making T-shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, yeah, let's have a look at our T-shirts.
Give us a look at this Give usa.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Look that shirt, this shirt here right here.
Look at this.
So describe the images on thatshirt.
That's a person asking if itsays can you film my manual?
And it's a chainsaw goingthrough his head so you made
some shirts and stickers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
The company went worldwide yeah well, it went
worldwide because I wore thatshirt in nhs and then they
decided to make this right thisis a good segue.
No, way so that so your latestgraphic was inspired by the no
manuals graphic I like walked inthere and they were just like

(01:20:45):
look at that you gotta do thatso we made it super serious
skateboarding company and wemade it.
So, sick.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Hell yeah, we're making heaps of money now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Real money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
You want to hear what's funny?
Okay, so the back story is Robgave me this board in the last
episode.
Thanks, Rob.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
It's okay, I don't get many gifts.
I think I want that board backnow though.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Do I have to give it back that?
No shit.
Like when we lost the episode,I was like, like about to
message and go hey man, what'syour address?
I'm gonna send that board back.
I don't feel right taking it.
It's your board, you can have itseriously, you don't want to
back, you can have it.
Thank you, man.
It says a lot about you as aperson, um, but I had him, my
son's six and skates and I hadin my lounge room and he
honestly looked at it and gotlike scared, like daddy, what's
going on with that graphic andI'm like I don't know, is this

(01:21:32):
good marketing?

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
it is pretty aggressive it's aggressive.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Oh, I mean, is that like the grim reaper?

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
I remember that, yeah , they sent chainsaw rob sent me
that graphic before the bloodspatter and he's like hey, this
is my new graphic and I'm likedude, that, no, like they've got
to have it like paintsplattered all over it as well,
and they did that, which is sick.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
That's like one of my favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
That's like my favorite at the moment that we
have.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
That's sick, is it?

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Yeah, for sure.
I just love the story that hemade some stupid shirt and then
I cruised around NHS and thenthey made a graphic on a board.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
That's right, it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
The artist seen it and went hey, a graphic on a
board, that's right, it's cool.
There's the artist scene.
I went hey, I can work withthat.
Yeah, it's pretty much crazythat, like a inside joke meme
page with your friends has nowlike become that like it's on a
fucking board, it's on a board.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
That's awesome, eight and quarter and it's actually
speaking of shapes.
I was talking about shapes withmy friend the other night, like
that's a little shovel nose,sort of wide nose, wide tail,
like real symmetrical yeah thatone.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
They're kind of yeah, it's, I think that one's more
so just like this standard.
They kind of have like astandard shaped board, yeah, I
guess, just like one thatthey've been like.
They just make, they've beenmaking for years gotcha and yeah
, I've just always ran thoseboards.
That's just the shape that Ilike.
I don't really like big widenose.
Yeah, like weird, I don't knowlike shorter wheelbase or longer

(01:22:55):
wheelbase, I don't like tothink of it too much.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Just look over there for a second.
Just look over there.
Go to the other camera angles.
Go to the other camera angles.
Jock, other camera angles.
Go the other camera angles.
Can I look?
Yeah, go back to me, right,jock?
What are you looking at?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Sorry, fucking suits you, man.
We still have to talk about thewhole team thing after this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Shannon.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
Yeah, no no, no, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Let's see, I'll see if I can drink shit with it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
It's a really functional working shit.
It gets hot quick.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I told you you were trying to take a photo of me
before with it on what does it?
Smell like.
Look back over there for asecond.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
It smells.
Look over there.
Look over there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
It's funny Shit, shen man what's?

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
going on.
Man, seriously, like you,actually got it embroidered.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
My missus did it.
Yeah, did them all.
Yeah, I know.
That's love, right, yeah, she'ssupportive Even of just stupid
things with your friends.
You know she'll do it for me,so so NM.
Nm yeah.
But if you hold it, upside downit looks like WN.
Okay, yes, it's like teaching aclass of students, Shane.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I don't know, man, I don't actually really like how
this second episode is going.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
For real.
Yeah, I'm sorry, man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
We might have to lose it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Oh yeah, how do you feel about that?
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Actually, what would you do if we did lose the second
episode?

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Fuck, I'll just not do another one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
I don't care, I'll just not do another one, I don't
care, I'll just tell you thatwe're doing it next year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Oh, so you wouldn't give up?
No, I'd come back, see.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
No, he'd be like fuck that, I'm going to Nine Club.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
That's what he'd do.
Yeah, actually you do.
I think you deserve a Nine Club.
I've had a couple of club,though I'm tht before.
Nine club really like this wasa warm-up chris markovich, I got
him before the nine club.
Not that I'm in competition,because I'm not even anywhere in
the realm of the nine club andI love the nine club.
And then recently chima did oneon nine club, which was sick,

(01:25:04):
did you see it?
yeah, I did it was good, soanyway, anyway, um, rob, you're
still welding.
We've got some images of youwearing some speed dealers and
welding some stuff.
Look at this guy, yep Dude inhis world.
You look happy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Stoked yeah, absolutely stoked.
Vulcan workwear right there.
Durable Workwear yeah, that'sall Vulcan workwear.
Nice, I wear it every dayactually, and it is actually
really good Dude.
Yeah, I really like it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Wow Okay, From someone that doesn't get sent
packages of stuff like how muchwould they send you Like every
season?
They just send you a box oflike here's our summer line,
here's our winter line, type ofthing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Yeah typically they just send out seasonal boxes.
That's sort of what they try todo with everyone.
So then everyone has, like, thelatest range of clothes and
their riders are wearing thelatest stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
But for me I get a little bit lazy because they
send out like order forms andthe order forms are a little bit
annoying to order off Okay.
So I normally just wait tillthings come out and just pick
what I like.
Sick.
But with the workwear stuff,stuff, I just tell them to send
me like pretty much all the longsleeve stuff, because I'm
working in hot works yeah, thosecarpenter pants like they're my

(01:26:18):
favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Like, yeah, you get the see where you got the ruler
in your pocket.
Like, yeah, I love that littlepocket I'm always.
I put wax in it when I skate,and also put my phone in it
sometimes, so I can just whip itout and film that manual trick
and stuff it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
It actually really works well for like working like
you.
You can put like all your toolsactually in your pockets yeah,
they actually thought it out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Do you still get stoked when a package arrives
like is it like christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
there's something about just like a box, just to
open it At your doorstep.
When it's not even yours.
Sometimes you're like should Ijust open it?
Yeah?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
It's illegal.
But you know that, don't you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
Yeah, but you know if it's got my dad's name on it,
I'm opening it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
Yeah, nice, he does it to me all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Does he speak Italian ?

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
He does Right, he speaks a lot of uh, good at
understanding it, I'm notamazing at speaking it back,
which is sort of weird to thinkabout but it's not actually pace
, right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
how's it pronounced parche?

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
but it is base, but parche okay everyone's gonna
call you bobby parche.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Now, yeah, I was gonna say like, because I know
like your nickname is bobby,like bob.
You know, I actually originallythought it was just bobby when
I first heard about you, but nowwhat do?
You prefer.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Well, whatever, I feel like Robert has so many
different names.
You know, Rob Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
My son's middle name is Bob.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Named after my stepdad.
Oh sick, sick, bob's rad, good,clean name.
You can turn it around and itstill spells Bob, everything,
everything about it, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Not like no manuals man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, you can't flip no manuals.
And then it says manuals on.
We should have thought aboutthe name If you turn it around,
it can actually say manuals on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
No, I might start up a rival company.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Please do not do that .
No, I won't do that.
No, do that.
No, I won't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Nah do it.
I don't want to lose myposition.
We're nothing to it I don'twant to lose my position on the
team.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Fight words.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Let's get some video up of.
Let's go to WA, the gap rail inWA, because I know it's a
pretty significant one, becauseoriginally there was a rail you
seen On a Social media post.
Yes, Tell us this story, man.
So everyone thought it was deadbecause they cut a gap out of
it so people wouldn't skate it,right, yeah, yeah.

(01:28:38):
Then what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
that was like a, that's like a pretty famous wa
spot that a lot of people haveskated and, yeah, that photo was
from like dated back for areally long time ago and to stop
skaters, that, yeah, cut thecenter out of it.
And someone had sent me thatphoto and I just seen it and I
was like, mate, I need to knowwhere this is.
Does it still exist?

(01:28:59):
Is it still like this like anduh, homie went out to the school
and he's like it's still likeit ended up just buying a ticket
to wa pretty much the next dayand went straight there no way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Yeah, let's go to the footage, then, of you doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
This is so epic yeah, it's so, so stoked the, the
full mission of like going outthere and then just getting it
done, just made that one likefor all the hype, for it was

(01:29:39):
like sick as fuck, it was acracker.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
With your early America trips, you know when you
were going over before you werereally sponsored.
Like all self-funded, yeah,yeah.
And just turning up withnowhere to go or connect with um
just with your friends yeah somy first trip, my first couple
of trips.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
I was doing like airbnbs to stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Oh, you're doing, airbnbs yeah, airbnbs and like
that was super expensive andrenting like cars, and I did
that for like, yeah, probablylike two years, and then I met a
lot of people and then you knowit wasn't super weird to ask,
you know, to be able to staywith them or whatever.
And my friend Nick basicallyjust looks after me every time I

(01:30:24):
go to the States, gives me likea place to stay in that.
But yeah, like for pretty muchevery trip before I turned pro I
was self-funding everythingyeah, I love that man yeah it
was pretty tough.
But yeah, I'd just come backhome and I would just come back
home and work as hard as I couldand then I would try to save up

(01:30:45):
for those three months trips.
But it's sick, you love it sosick.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
I love those stories, I love them yeah, kind of had
to do it with the industry sortof being so small in Australia.
You know, in a way you've gotto branch out and try and, you
know, meet those people overseasto really get to where you want
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I mean, did you try the Australian route first or
you just thought you'd?
Just do it the old school wayof just getting over there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
I feel like it's, I feel like I did sort of do it
the Australian route.
Like there's always just likeyou get to that certain level
and then it's like, well, nowyou've got to make it happen.
You've got to go over there and, you know, meet these people in
the brands and, like you know,I'm sure they want to meet you
and whatever, be stoked thatyou're over there filming, but

(01:31:32):
that's the hardest part, likeyou've got to get to the states
at some point when it comes tolike trying to get to the next
level, sort of thing compare thevibe over there and the scene
compared to australia

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
um was it just because america's so big?
Was it just really spread outbig and there's little crews
everywhere, or was it?
Did it still have a sense ofcommunity?

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
I feel like the skating community in the States
is really good though, like youjust go to the park or whatever
and you meet all these peopleand everyone is just skating
together.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Like all your favorite pros are just hanging
out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Yeah, you go to LA like you're for sure going to
find some pro skater somewhereat one of the parks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Friendly, yeah for sure, okay for sure everyone's
super friendly, kind of likevibing you out in any way.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
No, I've been aussie, just I think most people that
find, when you're they just loveit.
Yeah, okay, yeah, no, they likeit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Sick man yeah nice, let's get some more clips up,
because, like, I've got a fairbit of content here, let's talk
about this one.
So what was going on here?
Was this a trip to themountains?

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Yeah, we did like a trip to the mountains and in one
day we sort of knocked off allof these certain tricks, and
this is just one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
So this is one day.
Okay, so that's one, let's goto the next one.
So 50-50.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
This is some deadline , shit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
I guess one, two days like a weekend, yeah, weekend,
yeah, we're like.
He wanted to finish this partso and we had these spots lined
up, so we just like two days oneafter another, you know that
was he picked me up at 5 am orsomething and he's on a flatbed
truck from work with all thiswood in the back for that spot
yeah throw it to lithco, did ityeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
no way you can tell you.
Look like you've had a bigadrenaline dump there, like you
were genuinely scared that wasscary, that was super scary.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
I was like jumping down it, rolling down that ramp
a whole bunch of times and Iknew what I had to do.
Like I knew, like I could haveollied into it first try, but it
was just so hard, yeah, soscary to just commit Finally
committed and landed into deathwobbles and I actually go over a
corner of grass where theconcrete sort of separates and I

(01:33:44):
thought I was going to get mywheels stuck in it.
I was going so fast I sort ofjust went straight over it.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Crazy bro, so sick.
All right, what have we gotnext?
The same weekend.
So this is all in one weekend.
Yeah, so you've doctored a spothere big time yeah, that's the
run-up.

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
That was the run-up, sorry yeah is that okay?

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
I wouldn't call that not doctor, but I mean just what
, setting it up.
If you've seen some of thethings people are doing the
spots these days, I mean that'snothing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
So yeah, a couple, a couple of bits of wood.
When you say doctoring, we'retalking like bondoing stuff.
Well, you're talking about likedoctoring is like really
actually.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Faking it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Changing the spot.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
That's not faking it.
I mean, you just had, that'sjust getting a run up, there's a
run up.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
You just need more, but you kind of would regard
doctoring as like when you haveto like Bondo cracks.
Yeah, yeah, predominantly yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Or grind down a stopper, so you can actually
grind through it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Yeah, that's not bad you got to do.
It Makes it scalable, you know,yeah, so whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Look at him in his natural element.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Yeah, that one didn't play, eh Spilling.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
So you had the deadline for which video?
Uh, this is like a slam videopart, wow, yeah.
And I guess like our sort ofvision was like oh, this will
probably put us maybe in aposition for skater of the year,
like up to be in the contentionis that what?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
yeah, for sure it was like your, uh, you, you know,
rob wanted to be careerprogression in skating, you know
, and the next step with him wastry and get that, so then he
can get noticed, try and make it, try and get overseas, and all
that so so it's a prettymonumental weekend, you'd say
that one weekend and the youknow the months surrounding

(01:35:21):
those sessions for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
That was like I know rob was ready to just put it all
on the line and we had thespots, so sick dude so it's
fixing it back up oh, so yeah,so you slid it and then you
repainted it for yeah Irepainted it twice because I
went there and skated it andthen I had to go back for a
photo or something and then Iended up repainting it twice so

(01:35:44):
yeah that was the deal we hadwith the place were cool if you
skated it.
Yeah, well, I definitely had toswindle it a bit, like I was
just like this I was trying togive him like, trying to like
teach him skating, like if if Ido this, then no one else will
do it, because it's been donelike trying to speak to him on
that level for netflix, oh, okay, yeah.

(01:36:06):
So I guess, after I sat thereand like was chatting with her
for a bit with it, she was onboard and I was like, look, I'll
paint the rail.
I'll make it look new again.
There's going to be noscratches.
The thing was already scratchedbecause I think people have
tried it over the years orwhatever, but by the time I was
done with that thing it waslooking brand new.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
You know one thing I noticed about watching your rail
stuff a lot of the time whenyou're getting onto some of
these so especially some of theflatter rails.
It's like a waist high olliehey, some of them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
Some of them are, yeah, like I mean that one looks
pretty high.
Yeah, okay, you're getting upon it, just jump.
Yeah, I think I think as a kidI always used to like with your
mates.
You always do like the olliecompetition yeah, with the board
, yeah and I just feel likethat's always played a pretty
big part in my skating.
I've got I can pop like prettyhigh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Yeah, I mean, look where you got onto that.
Like that first part of therail is fucking high.
Yeah, I don't know, Like easilywaist high.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Yeah, some of them can be up there every now and
again, which, yeah, I'm reallystoked that I can do that,
because, some of these thingswouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
You're not training your legs for that.
You're not like doing squats inthe gym and stuff.
No, no squats.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Dude, he doesn't even warm up most of the time Really
.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
How old are you again ?

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
I'm 28.
The typical warm-up, and Idon't know why it is, but for
some reason it's like a couplekickflips on flat and then I'm
just trying to grind a rail,which makes no sense, but it's
just what I've always done, likewhen I go on a trip overseas
with Santa Cruz Pizzle, the teammanager.
He's always like all right, godo a couple kickflips, like it's

(01:37:44):
his joke now, because it's justalways what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
You just get out of the van straight into it.
Yeah, fair enough, start thejourney.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Yeah, they got Saturday.
You know you don't want tospend three hours at the park in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yeah, I hate that.
Yeah, and then, like you said,then you get injured on a half
cab crooked on a knee-high ledge.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
I've actually never been into that, like I've never
understood.
Like going to the skate parkbefore the session to warm up,
but then you get back in a carand you whatever.
If you're 30 minutes away fromthe spot, then you're not really
warmed up, are you like?
You've just?

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
sat back down.
I think, if anything, you'remore mentally warmed up yeah,
that's that's what I've actuallydiscovered with it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Like you've got your brain in that mode, maybe, but
yeah, I feel like in a day youhave like a certain amount of
energy and I feel like if you goto the skate park you're just
kind of burning it a bit away.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Yeah, totally so.
That was in katoomba.
What else we got, is that it?
Oh, okay, is this one of youramerican trip ones?

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
oh yeah yeah I'm gonna play through it, yeah this
one's a cool one, because whenwe're on a trip in america, uh,
on the way to this spot, brendanwas skating down the sidewalk
and he tried to ollie onto oneof the typical New York cellar
doors and he like clipped on it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Don't discredit me here.
I was actually trying to film atrick of myself.
I was skating on a cellar door,is?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
that because he wouldn't film you.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Usually yeah, it was a manual right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
No, I'm kidding he was was doing something, but
I'll tell you what he faceplanted and split his eye at the
bottom of a cellar door face onthe wall yeah and I got knocked
out and I went to the hospital

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
and while I was at the hospital, the other dudes
had my camera.
So rob did that.
And then when I got out, um, Iwatched the tape and the idea
was we won't tell brennan we didit.
So he's like I don't rememberfilming this.
And then, as you see, there'sanother angle.
So the next day I had that likeyoung filmer envy.
You know, rob, can you do itagain?

(01:39:39):
So we went by the next day anddid it again so I could get the
chance to film it and arguablythe first angle's film better,
which wasn't by me rob.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
You know, that's pretty funny, that's hilarious,
because like that that thinglooks gnarly that's a good
memory, that one for sure, andit looks like you, would have
had to contend with a lot ofpedestrians um, it wasn't around
.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Yeah, it wasn't super bad, though, because it was
super wide like sidewalk, sopeople could sort of see me how
do you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
like when there is like pedestrians and crowds and
people like, does it put you offconcentration, like like you
don't want to slam in front of abunch of people either, and
things like that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
the slamming thing doesn't really get to me, but
like people, you know whenyou're trying to skate a spot
and there's just people alwayswalking, you know in the way
that frustrates me yeah and it'snot like they're doing, they're
just walking, you know.
But when you try to get ityou're just like do you have to
walk there?

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
he's like you you're trying to get in the rhythm,
right?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
exactly that's that.
That's probably one of thethings that frustrates me most
like skating really busy placeswhere there's like people
walking everywhere.
It makes it so hard oh, bro,it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
And next clip let's keep going through, let's burn
through a few of these.
I love this clip.
Like just, can you pause itthere?
Like just the look on your facelike before you try that, like
right there, like that image.
I think, like most skaters,whether they're old, young, have
been in a position wherethey're just like, oh, like the
anguish.
I can see it in your face yeah,yeah, no, no, there's

(01:41:12):
definitely frustration.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
That's skating.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Why were you frustrated that day?

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Well, it was really hot and then just getting to
this spot and just trying toskate it, it just probably
wasn't going so well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
But knowing that I have to land this like I want to
do it.
We've put so much time into it,so you're just sitting there,
frustrated, trying to think aspositive as possible, to get
over it and just keep getting it.
Hopefully you can just rollaway and be done with it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Sick man, let's watch it, let's have a look at it,
because it's gnarly.
Look at this, that's so high.
Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, there we goyou don't seem like someone who
throws their board much oh, Ican throw me board every now and
again, okay you're another tailsnap yeah, broke my board so

(01:42:07):
did, did you borrow brendan's,but?

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
look how high that thing is.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
That's on my board so that's on your board after you
snapped it as usual, thatactually happens quite often,
like I've used Brendan's boardquite a few times to get things
done.
Yeah, really Broken board.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Yeah, we've got another video of you when you do
the nose bond slide in Brighton.
Yeah, same vibe.
Look at that.
There it is.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
Yeah, I think that's funny about this spot is that in
I don't know when it was, butit got flooded and the whole
entire place was completelyunderwater.
There it is.
Like I think that's like arecord amount of water.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
No way yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
So that's the day we found it.
He did it, and then they put a,put a new rail on it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
It got flooded so you guys took the rail off?

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
oh, no, not us just some guy some different people.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Different people took the rail off.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Yeah, I don't know who took it off, but it got
taken off and um yeah, and thenrob no slid it and they put a
new rail those same people putthe rail back on.
Probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
The exact same people .

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Maybe no, but that was flooded and yeah, it's just
crazy to see how fucking spotscapped, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
If you go there and you like, try to imagine the
water being at that height ofthe stairs, it's really
mind-blowing because it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Okay, yeah Well, I mean I'm looking at the set.
It's like huge double flight ofsteps and it's right up to the
second, the top set, halfway upthe top set.
So, yeah, that's god.
That's like it's gone up likefive meters or something like
that crazy.
Hey, wow crazy now this routewe put in in this video.

(01:43:51):
Let's just watch this, becauseit looks scary.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
There, that's a cool one.
Oh cut Scary.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
Steve All good, yeah, this one was.
I don't really know.
This is just like another grind, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Yeah, they're all just other grinds.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Just another grind, we liked it.
And this 50-50.
Grind, I guess, yeah, they'reall just other grinds.
Just another great, we liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
And there's 50, 50, damn.
So put it in context, this waswas this one of the last tricks
in one of your video parts?
Uh, yeah, one of the, the nikemedley video?

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
yeah, okay, I actually forgot about that.
That was his to some extent,but um yeah he.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Yeah, I was just needing an ender and it's just a
cool clip.
It's quick, unlike rob beingquick footed, you know.
So I'm pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
I was really stoked on this one because it was like
I don't really ever get a lot ofopportunities to sort of do
lines or stuff like that, so tobe able to do this kink grind
and then land and do the tray.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah made it, you know special for me to be
perfect straight into a tray sosick and it's a flat rail.
Yeah, it's one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Yeah, it's one of those weird like thin flat rails
.
I don't know.
I feel like you find thoserails at churches all the time
yeah, okay, okay.
They're always at churches forsome reason.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
So when I see a rail like that, I always just call it
like church rail.
Okay, like a church style.
It's not there anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
That one, they replaced it with a round one,
did they yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
You know the bumps they put at the top of steps,
now the blind bumps.
How are you dealing with thoseLike?
Are you sometimes like?
Well, every now, and again, orare you like trying to roll?
Yeah over them when you can.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
They've got like a couple of different styles, I
guess.
Like, well, the ones that arecemented in the ground are
always a pain and to remove,like if you were to remove them,
they're going to be really kindof tough to do.
And then they have like theglued down version.
The glued down ones are prettychill though, like because you
can put them back and they'rejust fine.
They just stay there, yeah, butI'd like to.

(01:45:57):
Every now and again I'llprobably use like a little plate
thing so you can roll and popoff it.
Then you're not having to, likethe ones that are cemented in
the ground, like there's a wayto be able to go over them.
So that's sort of like what Ilike to do.
But yeah, that's.
They are pretty annoying, Imean even everywhere.
Now too I know they're in everyspot.
Like anything that's built new,like it's like it's like a

(01:46:18):
requirement, it must be obviousto have them all there.
But yeah, just use the plate.
I've gotten pretty used to likepopping off like a plate to get
over them yeah, yeah, okay,standard right yeah, it's just
part of skating, just another,another thing to have to battle
yes, sir, sure is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Well, are we all done ?
Jock, we've got everything wewant to get through.
Man like quick, yeah, quickwent quick yeah felt like it.
Hey, yeah, it's amazing whathappens.
I feel like my head's itchyafter putting that bubble on.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
It's never been washed or something.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
You know how many people have worn that thing?

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
It's all right, you'll be all right.
Thanks, rob, you're a nice guy,you said it smells too.
You don't have any air.
Jock, shut up.
Jock, this guy man, what?
Is this.
God, this guy man, what is this?
God?
I need some, see.
I mean, I look I told you Ineed sympathy right now.

(01:47:18):
Okay, no, no, now, um, listen,um, this is the last episode for
the year, so thank you forbeing my last guest.
I have recorded a 2024 inreview episode with ty coaling
and jim turvey, so look out forthat.
But, rob, thanks for being thelast guest.
It's been a big year for theshow and life in general.
So, and Brendan Gardall legend,it's been so nice connecting

(01:47:39):
with you guys.
Just the top, top dudes.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Very grateful to have you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Yeah, cheers, I appreciate it.
And, by the way, oh sorry go.
Oh, I said thank you, mypleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
And, by the way, thanks for the board.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Yeah, I'm not sending it back.
Enjoy it.
I'm not sending it back.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
Yeah, all right.
Rob Pace, brendan Garddall,everyone, happy New Year.
Happy New Year, we'll be rightback.
I'm so used to coming to town.

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#243: Rob Pace with Brendan Gardoll: Chomping Rails, and Skater/Filmer Dynamics.

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